| EriC^^ | morning all | 04:54 |
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| oerheks | Hello, i am so beautifull | 04:55 |
| EriC^^ | indeed | 04:55 |
| oerheks | good morning to you to, EriC^^ | 04:55 |
| * tsimonq2 waves | 04:57 | |
| lordievader | Good morning | 06:01 |
| * tsimonq2 waves to lordievader | 06:01 | |
| lordievader | Hey tsimonq2 | 06:04 |
| ducasse | good morning | 06:29 |
| lordievader | Hey ducasse | 06:45 |
| lordievader | How are you doing? | 06:45 |
| ducasse | morning lordievader - fine here thanks, how about you? | 06:46 |
| lordievader | Doing okay here :) | 06:46 |
| ducasse | got your coffee and ready to go? :) | 06:52 |
| lordievader | Jup, drinking coffee right now 🎉 | 07:21 |
| lotuspsychje | one for me too lordievader | 08:06 |
| * lordievader slides lotuspsychje a cup of coffee | 08:06 | |
| lotuspsychje | tnx :p | 08:06 |
| lotuspsychje | lordievader: pic of the stairs done https://imgur.com/a/SHDTwkx | 08:07 |
| lordievader | Looks good 👍 | 08:09 |
| lotuspsychje | tnx, they did a good job and fast | 08:09 |
| ducasse | good to be finished with it | 08:13 |
| lotuspsychje | yeah, went smoothly | 08:13 |
| lotuspsychje | next on our list is a garden house :p | 08:14 |
| lotuspsychje | we have a bunch of stuff that fits nowhere else, so we need more space | 08:14 |
| guiverc_t | ais523, if on 14.04 (trusty), simply changing trusty to xenial in sources.list will cause it to... | 08:29 |
| guiverc_t | of course you'll need to apt-get update; before you can dist-upgrade... | 08:29 |
| ais523 | I'm on artful (17.10), looking to upgrade to 18.04 | 08:29 |
| guiverc_t | meaning - what needs changing??? - (that one's easy; both are same length - 6 chars) | 08:30 |
| ais523 | some of the searching I've been doing online says that using do-release-upgrade is recommended because there are sometimes other things that need adjusting between releases | 08:30 |
| guiverc_t | yep I'd agree - why i asked you to this room instead of replying in #ubuntu (main room). | 08:31 |
| ais523 | right, it's important not to flood a large channel | 08:31 |
| guiverc_t | my reason was more it was 'off-topic' because it wasn't the recommended way... | 08:32 |
| guiverc_t | (i chose this room because if i say anything stupid - others can come to your rescue...) | 08:32 |
| ais523 | I guess I'll just compromise and run the start of do-release-upgrade and cancel it well in advance of it finishing the downloads | 08:33 |
| ais523 | but I need to reboot before I can do that (pending upgrades of the regular kind), so see you in a bit, I guess | 08:33 |
| guiverc_t | i rarely use do-release-upgrade; would have to look at see if it has --download-only option, but I know you can do it (even cancel) using dist-upgrade... i upgraded my 17.10 box using dis-upgrade (to 18.04) | 08:33 |
| ais523 | back | 08:37 |
| ais523 | hmm, I'm getting "Could not determine the upgrade" trying to do things the official way | 08:41 |
| ais523 | so maybe I'll have to do things manually after all; at least it's likely to give more informative error messages about what needs changing | 08:41 |
| guiverc_t | for issues with do-release-upgrade better to ask in #ubuntu | 08:41 |
| ais523 | yes | 08:41 |
| guiverc_t | i suggested here only because I wanted to say something to you (but avoid #ubuntu; ie. artful->bionic sources.list...) | 08:42 |
| guiverc_t | ais523, besides I'm heading out to dinner in a few mins... | 08:42 |
| ais523 | OK | 08:44 |
| EriC^^ | afternoon all | 09:01 |
| BluesKaj | Hey folks | 11:40 |
| oerheks | wb BluesKaj | 11:43 |
| BluesKaj | Hey oerheks, thanks | 11:44 |
| JimBuntu | gm BluesKaj | 11:46 |
| BluesKaj | 'Morning JimBuntu | 11:46 |
| oerheks | uh oh, winepak .. https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2018/06/winepak-flatpak-for-wine-apps | 12:15 |
| BluesKaj | heh, I'm watering the lawn and there are dark storm clouds forming in the west, very dark aamof :-) | 12:57 |
| BluesKaj | but I don't trust the weather forecasts since the so called rain they say is coming seldom appear shere | 12:57 |
| BluesKaj | rains | 12:58 |
| oerheks | happens here too, near the coast <5 mile rain often goes by | 13:01 |
| oerheks | or.. rain clouds stick between rivers | 13:01 |
| BluesKaj | looks like it's gonna rain now, it's very dark everywhere | 13:22 |
| BluesKaj | I'm 20km from one of the great lakes, but here's low mountain range which heats up and the thermals cuase a barrier to the systems movingin from the south, unless ther very large | 13:25 |
| BluesKaj | they're | 13:26 |
| BluesKaj | here it comes | 13:28 |
| BluesKaj | there it goes :-) | 13:58 |
| oerheks | please remove karma from my launchpad page, i don't want to come back on this planet :-D | 15:56 |
| pragmaticenigma | ?? | 15:57 |
| hggdh | interestingly, he was also in #kubuntu | 15:57 |
| pragmaticenigma | I still stand by the teach to fish ideal... especially to enlighten someone to the fact that most of us are no smartter than our google/bing skillz | 16:03 |
| oerheks | i tried ... | 16:05 |
| hggdh | oerheks: and the way you did it was nice. But obviously, it all depends on the interest at the receiving end | 16:06 |
| oerheks | now when #KDE people send people over.. | 16:06 |
| oerheks | Yes, hggdh often it works, a small hint | 16:07 |
| hggdh | we can as much punt them to #kubuntu | 16:07 |
| pauljw | hi everyone | 16:37 |
| lotuspsychje | good evening to all | 18:23 |
| oerheks | up stairs down stairs | 18:37 |
| oerheks | does it have a hidden secret space you want to talk about? | 18:38 |
| lotuspsychje | oerheks: i would..but all our money gone now to pay the stairs | 18:39 |
| lotuspsychje | wanna change this bug to wishlist, how do i go about? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/systemd/+bug/1776742 | 18:47 |
| ubot5` | Ubuntu bug 1776742 in systemd (Ubuntu) "[Wishlist] Add a GUI systemd service manager by default" [Undecided,New] | 18:47 |
| leftyfb | eww | 18:51 |
| leftyfb | you want a "services" tab like Windows? | 18:51 |
| lotuspsychje | leftyfb: xenial had upstart services.. | 18:52 |
| lotuspsychje | i mean services on startup | 18:52 |
| oerheks | but there is more, see table 1 http://www.linux-magazine.com/Issues/2017/199/Systemd-Graphical-Tools | 18:52 |
| lotuspsychje | oerheks: tryed alot of those already oerheks many are worthless | 18:53 |
| lotuspsychje | and some have ppa | 18:55 |
| lotuspsychje | cockpit more a server manager | 18:57 |
| lotuspsychje | i want something clean & easy in settings | 18:57 |
| lordievader | Systemd's config files are clean and easy... It's usually the gui's that make them difficult. | 18:59 |
| lotuspsychje | lordievader: i know how to work with them, but enable/disable one by one... | 19:00 |
| oerheks | switch to KDE.. https://www.linux-apps.com/content/show.php/Kcmsystemd?content=161871 | 19:00 |
| lotuspsychje | oerheks: i like to think universal systemd :p | 19:01 |
| lordievader | I thought the `systemctl enable/disable` supported listing more than one service at a time. | 19:01 |
| lordievader | `systemctl status/start/stop` does anyhow. | 19:01 |
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| lotuspsychje | oh well..lets c what the bug does.. | 19:05 |
| hggdh | lotuspsychje: done | 19:08 |
| hggdh | (meaning setting the bug to wishlist | 19:08 |
| hggdh | ) | 19:08 |
| lotuspsychje | hggdh: ah only devs can wishlist them? | 19:08 |
| hggdh | member of bug-control and devs | 19:09 |
| lotuspsychje | hggdh: thank you very much mate | 19:09 |
| hggdh | s/member/&s/ | 19:09 |
| lotuspsychje | i owe you one | 19:09 |
| hggdh | nah, my pleasure | 19:09 |
| lotuspsychje | : ) | 19:09 |
| hggdh | lotuspsychje: the importance field was historically (and hysterically) abused -- pretty much everybody that opened a bug set it as critical | 19:10 |
| lotuspsychje | ah i understand | 19:10 |
| lotuspsychje | would have been a nice feature, the user itself could choose bug or wish? | 19:11 |
| hggdh | well, yeah, but it would require a rather large change to LP... and it was considered unnecessary | 19:13 |
| lotuspsychje | okay | 19:13 |
| lotuspsychje | hggdh: how does bug control members decide if its a wish currently then? | 19:13 |
| hggdh | mind you there *are* things I would change in LP relating to bug management :-) | 19:13 |
| hggdh | usually via a chat with the OP, or because BC (or a dev) understood the request to be a change in behaviour | 19:14 |
| hggdh | of course, all these changes can be, ah, changed again; and this is why we (strongly) suggest someone changing importance (or the restricted status options to explain *why* the change is being performed | 19:15 |
| lotuspsychje | i see tnx | 19:16 |
| hggdh | in your case, for example, it was easy: (1) you asked for it; (2) it *is*, by definition, a whish | 19:16 |
| hggdh | of course, "I wish this program would stop seg-faulting" is not really a candidate for wishlist | 19:17 |
| lotuspsychje | hggdh: perhaps in the future: ubuntu-wish systemd | 19:19 |
| lotuspsychje | :p | 19:19 |
| hggdh | :-) | 19:19 |
| hggdh | systemd is a bag of mad cats wanting to be free | 19:19 |
| lotuspsychje | lol | 19:19 |
| lotuspsychje | now i got 2 bus on systemd running | 19:20 |
| lotuspsychje | bugs | 19:20 |
| lotuspsychje | one for slowness and one to manage services | 19:20 |
| lotuspsychje | so our unity lovers can trasition in comfort at .1 | 19:20 |
| lotuspsychje | found a lot of bus & askbuntu's already on bionic slow systemd | 19:21 |
| hggdh | well, my boot nowadays is significantly slower than it was with upstart | 19:22 |
| lotuspsychje | hggdh: on how much ram is that | 19:22 |
| hggdh | 32G | 19:22 |
| lotuspsychje | wowz | 19:22 |
| lotuspsychje | how can a boot be slow on 32gig ram lol | 19:23 |
| hggdh | cuz systemd services take longer to run | 19:23 |
| lotuspsychje | yeah | 19:23 |
| lotuspsychje | i got on 2gig ram and 850pro ssd | 19:23 |
| lotuspsychje | imagine all those boxes on mechanical hd's | 19:24 |
| lotuspsychje | gonna be a nightmare | 19:24 |
| hggdh | (I mean, from ~5 seconds from start of boot to login pane, to ~10 seconds | 19:24 |
| lotuspsychje | yeah | 19:24 |
| hggdh | yeah, I am also off SSDs. Only my server still uses spinning disks | 19:24 |
| lotuspsychje | Startup finished in 11.036s (kernel) + 6.448s (userspace) = 17.485s | 19:24 |
| lotuspsychje | graphical.target reached after 6.041s in userspace | 19:24 |
| lotuspsychje | hggdh: did you see livepatch also slowing down on those /dev/loop ? | 19:25 |
| hggdh | I have not had a single livepatch applied so far, so no | 19:25 |
| lotuspsychje | kk | 19:25 |
| lotuspsychje | hggdh: check this: https://hastebin.com/edujadeqef.go | 19:26 |
| hggdh | I have not had a single livepatch applied so far, so no | 19:27 |
| lotuspsychje | hggdh: yeah i understood, was to show times | 19:28 |
| lotuspsychje | anyway ttyl tv time | 19:28 |
| lotuspsychje | tnx for wishlist hggdh | 19:28 |
| hggdh | huh, I was *very* wrong: it is taking 40s to reach login | 19:28 |
| hggdh | Startup finished in 3.456s (firmware) + 8.437s (loader) + 4.998s (kernel) + 13.249s (userspace) = 30.142s | 19:29 |
| hggdh | graphical.target reached after 12.938s in userspace | 19:29 |
| lotuspsychje | oO | 19:29 |
| hggdh | I mean 30 | 19:29 |
| hggdh | wait | 19:29 |
| hggdh | no this is it | 19:30 |
| hggdh | and I found fstrim running, IDK why | 19:30 |
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