[04:54] morning all [04:55] Hello, i am so beautifull [04:55] indeed [04:55] good morning to you to, EriC^^ [04:57] * tsimonq2 waves [06:01] Good morning [06:01] * tsimonq2 waves to lordievader [06:04] Hey tsimonq2 [06:29] good morning [06:45] Hey ducasse [06:45] How are you doing? [06:46] morning lordievader - fine here thanks, how about you? [06:46] Doing okay here :) [06:52] got your coffee and ready to go? :) [07:21] Jup, drinking coffee right now 🎉 [08:06] one for me too lordievader [08:06] * lordievader slides lotuspsychje a cup of coffee [08:06] tnx :p [08:07] lordievader: pic of the stairs done https://imgur.com/a/SHDTwkx [08:09] Looks good 👍 [08:09] tnx, they did a good job and fast [08:13] good to be finished with it [08:13] yeah, went smoothly [08:14] next on our list is a garden house :p [08:14] we have a bunch of stuff that fits nowhere else, so we need more space [08:29] ais523, if on 14.04 (trusty), simply changing trusty to xenial in sources.list will cause it to... [08:29] of course you'll need to apt-get update; before you can dist-upgrade... [08:29] I'm on artful (17.10), looking to upgrade to 18.04 [08:30] meaning - what needs changing??? - (that one's easy; both are same length - 6 chars) [08:30] some of the searching I've been doing online says that using do-release-upgrade is recommended because there are sometimes other things that need adjusting between releases [08:31] yep I'd agree - why i asked you to this room instead of replying in #ubuntu (main room). [08:31] right, it's important not to flood a large channel [08:32] my reason was more it was 'off-topic' because it wasn't the recommended way... [08:32] (i chose this room because if i say anything stupid - others can come to your rescue...) [08:33] I guess I'll just compromise and run the start of do-release-upgrade and cancel it well in advance of it finishing the downloads [08:33] but I need to reboot before I can do that (pending upgrades of the regular kind), so see you in a bit, I guess [08:33] i rarely use do-release-upgrade; would have to look at see if it has --download-only option, but I know you can do it (even cancel) using dist-upgrade... i upgraded my 17.10 box using dis-upgrade (to 18.04) [08:37] back [08:41] hmm, I'm getting "Could not determine the upgrade" trying to do things the official way [08:41] so maybe I'll have to do things manually after all; at least it's likely to give more informative error messages about what needs changing [08:41] for issues with do-release-upgrade better to ask in #ubuntu [08:41] yes [08:42] i suggested here only because I wanted to say something to you (but avoid #ubuntu; ie. artful->bionic sources.list...) [08:42] ais523, besides I'm heading out to dinner in a few mins... [08:44] OK [09:01] afternoon all [11:40] Hey folks [11:43] wb BluesKaj [11:44] Hey oerheks, thanks [11:46] gm BluesKaj [11:46] 'Morning JimBuntu [12:15] uh oh, winepak .. https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2018/06/winepak-flatpak-for-wine-apps [12:57] heh, I'm watering the lawn and there are dark storm clouds forming in the west, very dark aamof :-) [12:57] but I don't trust the weather forecasts since the so called rain they say is coming seldom appear shere [12:58] rains [13:01] happens here too, near the coast <5 mile rain often goes by [13:01] or.. rain clouds stick between rivers [13:22] looks like it's gonna rain now, it's very dark everywhere [13:25] I'm 20km from one of the great lakes, but here's low mountain range which heats up and the thermals cuase a barrier to the systems movingin from the south, unless ther very large [13:26] they're [13:28] here it comes [13:58] there it goes :-) [15:56] please remove karma from my launchpad page, i don't want to come back on this planet :-D [15:57] ?? [15:57] interestingly, he was also in #kubuntu [16:03] I still stand by the teach to fish ideal... especially to enlighten someone to the fact that most of us are no smartter than our google/bing skillz [16:05] i tried ... [16:06] oerheks: and the way you did it was nice. But obviously, it all depends on the interest at the receiving end [16:06] now when #KDE people send people over.. [16:07] Yes, hggdh often it works, a small hint [16:07] we can as much punt them to #kubuntu [16:37] hi everyone [18:23] good evening to all [18:37] up stairs down stairs [18:38] does it have a hidden secret space you want to talk about? [18:39] oerheks: i would..but all our money gone now to pay the stairs [18:47] wanna change this bug to wishlist, how do i go about? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/systemd/+bug/1776742 [18:47] Ubuntu bug 1776742 in systemd (Ubuntu) "[Wishlist] Add a GUI systemd service manager by default" [Undecided,New] [18:51] eww [18:51] you want a "services" tab like Windows? [18:52] leftyfb: xenial had upstart services.. [18:52] i mean services on startup [18:52] but there is more, see table 1 http://www.linux-magazine.com/Issues/2017/199/Systemd-Graphical-Tools [18:53] oerheks: tryed alot of those already oerheks many are worthless [18:55] and some have ppa [18:57] cockpit more a server manager [18:57] i want something clean & easy in settings [18:59] Systemd's config files are clean and easy... It's usually the gui's that make them difficult. [19:00] lordievader: i know how to work with them, but enable/disable one by one... [19:00] switch to KDE.. https://www.linux-apps.com/content/show.php/Kcmsystemd?content=161871 [19:01] oerheks: i like to think universal systemd :p [19:01] I thought the `systemctl enable/disable` supported listing more than one service at a time. [19:01] `systemctl status/start/stop` does anyhow. === kostkon_ is now known as kostkon [19:05] oh well..lets c what the bug does.. [19:08] lotuspsychje: done [19:08] (meaning setting the bug to wishlist [19:08] ) [19:08] hggdh: ah only devs can wishlist them? [19:09] member of bug-control and devs [19:09] hggdh: thank you very much mate [19:09] s/member/&s/ [19:09] i owe you one [19:09] nah, my pleasure [19:09] : ) [19:10] lotuspsychje: the importance field was historically (and hysterically) abused -- pretty much everybody that opened a bug set it as critical [19:10] ah i understand [19:11] would have been a nice feature, the user itself could choose bug or wish? [19:13] well, yeah, but it would require a rather large change to LP... and it was considered unnecessary [19:13] okay [19:13] hggdh: how does bug control members decide if its a wish currently then? [19:13] mind you there *are* things I would change in LP relating to bug management :-) [19:14] usually via a chat with the OP, or because BC (or a dev) understood the request to be a change in behaviour [19:15] of course, all these changes can be, ah, changed again; and this is why we (strongly) suggest someone changing importance (or the restricted status options to explain *why* the change is being performed [19:16] i see tnx [19:16] in your case, for example, it was easy: (1) you asked for it; (2) it *is*, by definition, a whish [19:17] of course, "I wish this program would stop seg-faulting" is not really a candidate for wishlist [19:19] hggdh: perhaps in the future: ubuntu-wish systemd [19:19] :p [19:19] :-) [19:19] systemd is a bag of mad cats wanting to be free [19:19] lol [19:20] now i got 2 bus on systemd running [19:20] bugs [19:20] one for slowness and one to manage services [19:20] so our unity lovers can trasition in comfort at .1 [19:21] found a lot of bus & askbuntu's already on bionic slow systemd [19:22] well, my boot nowadays is significantly slower than it was with upstart [19:22] hggdh: on how much ram is that [19:22] 32G [19:22] wowz [19:23] how can a boot be slow on 32gig ram lol [19:23] cuz systemd services take longer to run [19:23] yeah [19:23] i got on 2gig ram and 850pro ssd [19:24] imagine all those boxes on mechanical hd's [19:24] gonna be a nightmare [19:24] (I mean, from ~5 seconds from start of boot to login pane, to ~10 seconds [19:24] yeah [19:24] yeah, I am also off SSDs. Only my server still uses spinning disks [19:24] Startup finished in 11.036s (kernel) + 6.448s (userspace) = 17.485s [19:24] graphical.target reached after 6.041s in userspace [19:25] hggdh: did you see livepatch also slowing down on those /dev/loop ? [19:25] I have not had a single livepatch applied so far, so no [19:25] kk [19:26] hggdh: check this: https://hastebin.com/edujadeqef.go [19:27] I have not had a single livepatch applied so far, so no [19:28] hggdh: yeah i understood, was to show times [19:28] anyway ttyl tv time [19:28] tnx for wishlist hggdh [19:28] huh, I was *very* wrong: it is taking 40s to reach login [19:29] Startup finished in 3.456s (firmware) + 8.437s (loader) + 4.998s (kernel) + 13.249s (userspace) = 30.142s [19:29] graphical.target reached after 12.938s in userspace [19:29] oO [19:29] I mean 30 [19:29] wait [19:30] no this is it [19:30] and I found fstrim running, IDK why