[04:54] <EriC^^> morning all
[04:55] <oerheks> Hello, i am so beautifull
[04:55] <EriC^^> indeed
[04:55] <oerheks> good morning to you to, EriC^^
[04:57]  * tsimonq2 waves
[06:01] <lordievader> Good morning
[06:01]  * tsimonq2 waves to lordievader 
[06:04] <lordievader> Hey  tsimonq2
[06:29] <ducasse> good morning
[06:45] <lordievader> Hey ducasse
[06:45] <lordievader> How are you doing?
[06:46] <ducasse> morning lordievader - fine here thanks, how about you?
[06:46] <lordievader> Doing okay here :)
[06:52] <ducasse> got your coffee and ready to go? :)
[07:21] <lordievader> Jup, drinking coffee right now 🎉
[08:06] <lotuspsychje> one for me too lordievader
[08:06]  * lordievader slides lotuspsychje a cup of coffee
[08:06] <lotuspsychje> tnx :p
[08:07] <lotuspsychje> lordievader: pic of the stairs done https://imgur.com/a/SHDTwkx
[08:09] <lordievader> Looks good 👍
[08:09] <lotuspsychje> tnx, they did a good job and fast
[08:13] <ducasse> good to be finished with it
[08:13] <lotuspsychje> yeah, went smoothly
[08:14] <lotuspsychje> next on our list is a garden house :p
[08:14] <lotuspsychje> we have a bunch of stuff that fits nowhere else, so we need more space
[08:29] <guiverc_t> ais523, if on 14.04 (trusty), simply changing trusty to xenial in sources.list will cause it to...
[08:29] <guiverc_t> of course you'll need to apt-get update; before you can dist-upgrade...
[08:29] <ais523> I'm on artful (17.10), looking to upgrade to 18.04
[08:30] <guiverc_t> meaning - what needs changing??? - (that one's easy; both are same length - 6 chars)
[08:30] <ais523> some of the searching I've been doing online says that using do-release-upgrade is recommended because there are sometimes other things that need adjusting between releases
[08:31] <guiverc_t> yep I'd agree - why i asked you to this room instead of replying in #ubuntu (main room).
[08:31] <ais523> right, it's important not to flood a large channel
[08:32] <guiverc_t> my reason was more it was 'off-topic' because it wasn't the recommended way...
[08:32] <guiverc_t> (i chose this room because if i say anything stupid - others can come to your rescue...)
[08:33] <ais523> I guess I'll just compromise and run the start of do-release-upgrade and cancel it well in advance of it finishing the downloads
[08:33] <ais523> but I need to reboot before I can do that (pending upgrades of the regular kind), so see you in a bit, I guess
[08:33] <guiverc_t> i rarely use do-release-upgrade; would have to look at see if it has --download-only option, but I know you can do it (even cancel) using dist-upgrade... i upgraded my 17.10 box using dis-upgrade (to 18.04)
[08:37] <ais523> back
[08:41] <ais523> hmm, I'm getting "Could not determine the upgrade" trying to do things the official way
[08:41] <ais523> so maybe I'll have to do things manually after all; at least it's likely to give more informative error messages about what needs changing
[08:41] <guiverc_t> for issues with do-release-upgrade better to ask in #ubuntu
[08:41] <ais523> yes
[08:42] <guiverc_t> i suggested here only because I wanted to say something to you (but avoid #ubuntu; ie. artful->bionic sources.list...)
[08:42] <guiverc_t> ais523,  besides I'm heading out to dinner in a few mins...
[08:44] <ais523> OK
[09:01] <EriC^^> afternoon all
[11:40] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
[11:43] <oerheks> wb BluesKaj
[11:44] <BluesKaj> Hey oerheks, thanks
[11:46] <JimBuntu> gm BluesKaj
[11:46] <BluesKaj> 'Morning JimBuntu
[12:15] <oerheks> uh oh, winepak .. https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2018/06/winepak-flatpak-for-wine-apps
[12:57] <BluesKaj> heh, I'm watering the lawn and there are dark storm clouds forming in the west, very dark aamof :-)
[12:57] <BluesKaj> but I don't trust the weather forecasts since the so called rain they say is coming seldom appear shere
[12:58] <BluesKaj> rains
[13:01] <oerheks> happens here too, near the coast <5 mile rain often goes by
[13:01] <oerheks> or.. rain clouds stick between rivers
[13:22] <BluesKaj> looks like it's gonna rain now, it's very dark everywhere
[13:25] <BluesKaj> I'm  20km from one of the great lakes, but here's low mountain range which heats up and the thermals cuase a barrier to the systems movingin  from the south, unless ther very large
[13:26] <BluesKaj> they're
[13:28] <BluesKaj> here it comes
[13:58] <BluesKaj> there it goes :-)
[15:56] <oerheks> please remove karma from my launchpad page, i don't want to come back on this planet :-D
[15:57] <pragmaticenigma> ??
[15:57] <hggdh> interestingly, he was also in #kubuntu
[16:03] <pragmaticenigma> I still stand by the teach to fish ideal... especially to enlighten someone to the fact that most of us are no smartter than our google/bing skillz
[16:05] <oerheks> i tried ...
[16:06] <hggdh> oerheks: and the way you did it was nice. But obviously, it all depends on the interest at the receiving end
[16:06] <oerheks> now when #KDE people send people over..
[16:07] <oerheks> Yes, hggdh often it works, a small hint
[16:07] <hggdh> we can as much punt them to #kubuntu
[16:37] <pauljw> hi everyone
[18:23] <lotuspsychje> good evening to all
[18:37] <oerheks> up stairs down stairs
[18:38] <oerheks> does it have a hidden secret space you want to talk about?
[18:39] <lotuspsychje> oerheks: i would..but all our money gone now to pay the stairs
[18:47] <lotuspsychje> wanna change this bug to wishlist, how do i go about? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/systemd/+bug/1776742
[18:47] <ubot5`> Ubuntu bug 1776742 in systemd (Ubuntu) "[Wishlist] Add a GUI systemd service manager by default" [Undecided,New]
[18:51] <leftyfb> eww
[18:51] <leftyfb> you want a "services" tab like Windows?
[18:52] <lotuspsychje> leftyfb: xenial had upstart services..
[18:52] <lotuspsychje> i mean services on startup
[18:52] <oerheks> but there is more, see table 1 http://www.linux-magazine.com/Issues/2017/199/Systemd-Graphical-Tools
[18:53] <lotuspsychje> oerheks: tryed alot of those already oerheks many are worthless
[18:55] <lotuspsychje> and some have ppa
[18:57] <lotuspsychje> cockpit more a server manager
[18:57] <lotuspsychje> i want something clean & easy in settings
[18:59] <lordievader> Systemd's config files are clean and easy... It's usually the gui's that make them difficult.
[19:00] <lotuspsychje> lordievader: i know how to work with them, but enable/disable one by one...
[19:00] <oerheks> switch to KDE.. https://www.linux-apps.com/content/show.php/Kcmsystemd?content=161871
[19:01] <lotuspsychje> oerheks: i like to think universal systemd :p
[19:01] <lordievader> I thought the `systemctl enable/disable` supported listing more than one service at a time.
[19:01] <lordievader> `systemctl status/start/stop` does anyhow.
[19:05] <lotuspsychje> oh well..lets c what the bug does..
[19:08] <hggdh> lotuspsychje: done
[19:08] <hggdh> (meaning setting the bug to wishlist
[19:08] <hggdh> )
[19:08] <lotuspsychje> hggdh: ah only devs can wishlist them?
[19:09] <hggdh> member of bug-control and devs
[19:09] <lotuspsychje> hggdh: thank you very much mate
[19:09] <hggdh> s/member/&s/
[19:09] <lotuspsychje> i owe you one
[19:09] <hggdh> nah, my pleasure
[19:09] <lotuspsychje> : )
[19:10] <hggdh> lotuspsychje: the importance field was historically (and hysterically) abused -- pretty much everybody that opened a bug set it as critical
[19:10] <lotuspsychje> ah i understand
[19:11] <lotuspsychje> would have been a nice feature, the user itself could choose bug or wish?
[19:13] <hggdh> well, yeah, but it would require a rather large change to LP... and it was considered unnecessary
[19:13] <lotuspsychje> okay
[19:13] <lotuspsychje> hggdh: how does bug control members decide if its a wish currently then?
[19:13] <hggdh> mind you there *are* things I would change in LP relating to bug management :-)
[19:14] <hggdh> usually via a chat with the OP, or because BC (or a dev) understood the request to be a change in behaviour
[19:15] <hggdh> of course, all these changes can be, ah, changed again; and this is why we (strongly) suggest someone changing importance (or the restricted status options to explain *why* the change is being performed
[19:16] <lotuspsychje> i see tnx
[19:16] <hggdh> in your case, for example, it was easy: (1) you asked for it; (2) it *is*, by definition, a whish
[19:17] <hggdh> of course, "I wish this program would stop seg-faulting" is not really a candidate for wishlist
[19:19] <lotuspsychje> hggdh: perhaps in the future: ubuntu-wish systemd
[19:19] <lotuspsychje> :p
[19:19] <hggdh> :-)
[19:19] <hggdh> systemd is a bag of mad cats wanting to be free
[19:19] <lotuspsychje> lol
[19:20] <lotuspsychje> now i got 2 bus on systemd running
[19:20] <lotuspsychje> bugs
[19:20] <lotuspsychje> one for slowness and one to manage services
[19:20] <lotuspsychje> so our unity lovers can trasition in comfort at .1
[19:21] <lotuspsychje> found a lot of bus & askbuntu's already on bionic slow systemd
[19:22] <hggdh> well, my boot nowadays is significantly slower than it was with upstart
[19:22] <lotuspsychje> hggdh: on how much ram is that
[19:22] <hggdh> 32G
[19:22] <lotuspsychje> wowz
[19:23] <lotuspsychje> how can a boot be slow on 32gig ram lol
[19:23] <hggdh> cuz systemd services take longer to run
[19:23] <lotuspsychje> yeah
[19:23] <lotuspsychje> i got on 2gig ram and 850pro ssd
[19:24] <lotuspsychje> imagine all those boxes on mechanical hd's
[19:24] <lotuspsychje> gonna be a nightmare
[19:24] <hggdh> (I mean, from ~5 seconds from start of boot to login pane, to ~10 seconds
[19:24] <lotuspsychje> yeah
[19:24] <hggdh> yeah, I am also off SSDs. Only my server still uses spinning disks
[19:24] <lotuspsychje> Startup finished in 11.036s (kernel) + 6.448s (userspace) = 17.485s
[19:24] <lotuspsychje> graphical.target reached after 6.041s in userspace
[19:25] <lotuspsychje> hggdh: did you see livepatch also slowing down on those /dev/loop ?
[19:25] <hggdh> I have not had a single livepatch applied so far, so no
[19:25] <lotuspsychje> kk
[19:26] <lotuspsychje> hggdh: check this: https://hastebin.com/edujadeqef.go
[19:27] <hggdh> I have not had a single livepatch applied so far, so no
[19:28] <lotuspsychje> hggdh: yeah i understood, was to show times
[19:28] <lotuspsychje> anyway ttyl tv time
[19:28] <lotuspsychje> tnx for wishlist hggdh
[19:28] <hggdh> huh, I was *very* wrong: it is taking 40s to reach login
[19:29] <hggdh> Startup finished in 3.456s (firmware) + 8.437s (loader) + 4.998s (kernel) + 13.249s (userspace) = 30.142s
[19:29] <hggdh> graphical.target reached after 12.938s in userspace
[19:29] <lotuspsychje> oO
[19:29] <hggdh> I mean 30
[19:29] <hggdh> wait
[19:30] <hggdh> no this is it
[19:30] <hggdh> and I found fstrim running, IDK why