[05:58] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[06:25] <zmoylan-pi> o/
[06:25] <brobostigon> o/
[18:04] <marshmn> I'm giving Wavebox a try as a solution for managing windows for multiple Slack channels/WhatsApp/Gitter/Discord
[18:05] <marshmn> first impressions are pretty good
[18:12] <Azelphur> Anyone know anything about all the cheap tablets / laptop 2-in-1s that are floating around cheap? Can they run Linux ok?
[18:29] <daftykins> got any example links?
[18:37] <Azelphur> daftykins: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/CHUWI-Hi10-10-1-INCH-Tablet-PC-Windows-10-Android-5-1-Intel-4GB-64GB-Keyboard/192318999374?hash=item2cc71b0b4e:g:arUAAOSw2N1ZzMSa
[18:38] <daftykins> i don't even like Star Wars but i wanna say "easy, CHUWI!"
[18:39] <Azelphur> https://www.aliexpress.com/item/VOYO-Vbook-i3-2-in-1-Tablet-PC-intel-Quad-Core-8GB-Ram-128GB-Rom-10/32860800749.html
[18:39] <Azelphur> is also interesting
[18:40] <Azelphur> the idea of a little 1080p laptop that can run Linux and charge off USB for not much £ seems very interesting.
[18:41] <daftykins> mmm, surprisingly not utterly rubbish specs too - although the CPU is a 2W atom https://ark.intel.com/products/93361/Intel-Atom-x5-Z8350-Processor-2M-Cache-up-to-1_92-GHz
[18:41] <Azelphur> yea, for browsing, coding, movie watching, etc, it'd be fine
[18:41] <daftykins> well, depending on hardware assisted format decode support ja
[18:42] <daftykins> so the only thing that comes to mind is the usual EFI drama then
[18:42] <daftykins> also feeling a bit dumb that i'm not 100% sure up front if it's x86 or ARM
[18:42] <daftykins> would've thought cherry trail atoms are x86
[18:42] <Azelphur> they are x86 afaik
[18:43] <Azelphur> just don't wanna buy one and have it not work, because then the laptops an overpriced brick to me
[18:43] <daftykins> can't really go wrong with the £100 one either way
[18:44] <Azelphur> well, I can if it doesn't work and then it's £100 down the drain ;)
[18:44] <daftykins> even if the pictured keyboard layout is 'muricanese!
[18:44] <daftykins> i doubt you'd have any problem selling it on, and you're only talking 'doesn't work with Linux' rather than doesn't work entirely
[18:45] <daftykins> i'd be more than up for hearing how you get on and suggesting anything
[18:45] <daftykins> or even running it by a genius i know who assisted bypassing 32-bit EFI hassles in the past
[18:45] <Azelphur> I think there's more than just EFI issues, there's other issues too relating to hardware, wifi, etc.
[18:45] <daftykins> we can only hope they stopped doing that, but this is the exact kinda machine that would be likely to have that if it is still out there
[18:46] <daftykins> oh yeah, but that's your primary one :>
[18:46] <Azelphur> I'd ideally like to pick something up and have it ready to use next week sort of thing :P
[18:47] <Azelphur> rather than might work sometime maybe if the drivers get fixed
[18:47] <Azelphur> there's a lot of devices in this class, surprised nobody has documented them
[18:47]  * daftykins stares and blinks
[18:47] <daftykins> then you need to stop trying to save a few quid i'm afraid
[18:47] <daftykins> well there's just so much eastern tat out there now, eh
[18:48] <Azelphur> suppose lol
[18:52] <zmoylan-pi> even the non eastern tat is probably made in china... :-)
[21:13] <daftykins> Azelphur: think i'd rather buy a £200 ebay Lenovo laptop refurb, you can get 4th gen intel (haswell) machines with 8GB and SSDs :)
[21:14] <zmoylan-pi> they do seem like the best option right now... very good spec for a nice price
[21:15] <zmoylan-pi> with a proper keyboard and not the new namby pamby wishy washy super flat crapfests that are modern laptop keyboards....
[21:19] <daftykins> and still (i think) have BIOS updates for spectre, etc yep
[21:24] <zmoylan-pi> i'm sure the updates install the latest backdoors /tinfoilHat :-)
[21:24] <daftykins> ;)
[21:30] <diddledan> who does games on loonicks?
[21:30] <daftykins> optimists, i think
[21:31] <diddledan> if it's you, try `sudo snap install --edge gog-galaxy-wine; sudo snap connect gog-galaxy-wine:hardware-observe; sudo snap connect gog-galaxy-wine:process-control; gog-galaxy-wine`
[21:31] <daftykins> diddledan: finally got the wordpress pass \o/ deleted that old host user and updated a plugin \o/
[21:31] <diddledan> yey
[21:32] <daftykins> any advice on changing wp-content/ image URLs to be https along with the rest of the site o0 i've edited the sorta main site settings for its' self references, but would past uploads require database edits?
[21:32] <diddledan> the hello dolly and akismet are not in use by the site, but they come with any fresh WordPress
[21:32] <daftykins> yep, know 'em well from my days running mine :) (which i retired)
[21:35] <diddledan> https://en-gb.wordpress.org/plugins/better-search-replace/ is the go-to - install that, activate and use it with the full old URL into it and the full new URL - e.g. "search for" http://old.example.com, and "replace with" https://awesome.example.com
[21:35] <daftykins> ooh thank ye
[21:36] <diddledan> that'll also replace any internal links in posts and pages with the new url
[21:37] <daftykins> \o/
[21:48] <daftykins> done and done \o/
[21:48] <diddledan> hah, just got a mailing lists email about a job for a "senior site reliability engineer".. working "remotely".. doesn't the whole "site" bit require that you not be remote?
[21:49] <daftykins> what if it's a website!
[21:51] <ali1234> yes but the "senior" part implies you just make your junior do all the work
[21:51] <diddledan> aha
[21:51] <diddledan> WORK, PEON!
[21:51]  * diddledan cracks the whip
[21:52] <daftykins> :D
[21:53] <daftykins> lopta: hey \o all well?
[21:53] <daftykins> diddledan: informational PM btw sir
[21:54] <lopta> hello daftykins!
[21:54] <lopta> I tried Ubuntu Server on my 32-bit test rig but it wouldn't boot.
[21:54] <daftykins> d'aww
[21:54] <lopta> (even into the installer)
[21:54] <daftykins> 18.04?
[21:54]  * diddledan categorises, collates, and catalogues the pm
[21:54] <daftykins> probably a PAE issue
[21:55] <lopta> 16.04.4
[21:55] <daftykins> do you know the CPU it has?
[21:55] <diddledan> daftykins: what did Dubai do to upset 32bit computers?!!!
[21:55] <lopta> 1 GHz VIA #c
[21:55] <lopta> C3*
[21:55] <diddledan> oh, wait, PAE, not UAE
[21:56]  * lopta nods
[21:56] <lopta> brb, phone
[21:57] <daftykins> i think it's too late for a system of that age i'm afraid, you could look into the 'forcepae' kernel boot parameter, but it looks like the VIA C3's won't work
[21:58] <diddledan> 32bit is dead in the water these days
[21:58]  * lopta nods
[21:58] <diddledan> even pfsense has killed 32bit
[21:58] <lopta> It still works for BSD but I could spend some money and put a 64-bit board in it.
[21:58] <daftykins> alternatively if it's not online, you could run an outdated, thus EOL, OS
[21:59] <lopta> At present it's not connected to the Internet.
[21:59] <diddledan> or, run a REALLY outdated EOL OS that is so old the haxx0rs have forgotten about it
[21:59] <lopta> I suppose upgrading the board would let me move up to gigabit Ethernet, too.
[22:00] <diddledan> mmm, jiggerwatts
[22:00] <daftykins> if all the parts inside match age wise, i'd be concerned about the PSU's capabilities for throwing a new motherboard in
[22:01] <diddledan> I'm betting Christopher Lloyd calls them Jiffs, too
[22:01] <lopta> 180W SFX (it's an mATX desktop)
[22:01] <diddledan> them images**
[22:01] <lopta> Well, formerly a desktop ;-)
[22:02] <lopta> I should be back later this evening.