[05:11] <ErichEickmeyer> OvenWerks: Ubuntu (proper) uses gdm; Lubuntu, Xubuntu, Ubuntu Budgie, and Ubuntu MATE use lightdm; Kubuntu uses sddm.
[05:14] <ErichEickmeyer> With Wayland, I think it's a session file that gets installed that can probably be omitted. I'll have to do more research on that. DMs will only look for .session files.
[05:16] <ErichEickmeyer> With the DE, I'm not quite tracking. I thought we were originally talking about having one ISO per DE, making the DE choice an ISO download thing from the website. If the user wants both, they could choose either one and then, perhaps, -welcome or -boutique will have a way to easily install the DE.
[05:17] <ErichEickmeyer> For instance, if they download the Xfce ISO and decide they want both Xfce and Plasma, then they could go to the proper page in -boutique after initial install and select it.
[05:18] <ErichEickmeyer> Just spitballing ideas here. :)
[15:28] <OvenWerks> ErichEickmeyer: dual ISOs will not have people choose both DEs and that is one advantage of ISOs :)
[15:30] <ErichEickmeyer> Yes. Exactly.
[15:30] <OvenWerks> there have been other ideas about just choosing the DE on install all from one ISO that I have failed to forget about.
[15:30] <ErichEickmeyer> Yeah, but I thought, based on your recommendation, we went with the dual ISO route.
[15:31] <OvenWerks> I am not sure how to get a second ISO spun, but as I said I will run up a second seed
[15:32] <ErichEickmeyer> I think all we have to do is run it up the flagpole, as it were. Make the seed, let the release team know we would like to try this (they're already aware of the plan), ???, Profit!
[15:33] <ErichEickmeyer> I'm pretty sure tsimonq2 knows how to get that going.
[15:33] <OvenWerks> ok
[15:34] <OvenWerks> there are a number of packages for ubuntustudio that need to get released
[15:35] <ErichEickmeyer> Yes. Pretty much all of the ones we've updated (controls, default settings, icon theme, etc.)
[15:35] <OvenWerks> right
[15:35] <OvenWerks> https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntustudio-dev
[15:36] <OvenWerks> The top four on that page
[15:36] <ErichEickmeyer> I haven't seen much chatter from tsimonq2 lately, but I'm 90% sure he knows how to get that ball rolling.
[15:36] <OvenWerks> -meta should probably be updated too
[15:36] <ErichEickmeyer> Yes.
[15:37] <ErichEickmeyer> Would that be to remove mypaint?
[15:38] <OvenWerks> I am not sure the ISO seems to build
[15:38] <OvenWerks>  and yet the install chooser still works too
[15:38] <OvenWerks> (-live)
[15:39] <OvenWerks> so I am not sure what the relationship is beteen things
[15:41] <OvenWerks> The whole installer is confusing, there are four categoies of applications in ubiquity:
[15:41] <OvenWerks> stuff on the ISO that ends up installed
[15:42] <OvenWerks> stuff in the ISO that is not installed, but which may or may not be used in live ISO use
[15:42] <OvenWerks> stuff that is not on the ISO that gets DL and installed
[15:42] <OvenWerks> updates that get DL but not fully installed.
[15:48] <ErichEickmeyer> The daily ISO is building currently.
[15:48] <ErichEickmeyer> Once we removed mypaint it started building again.
[15:49] <ErichEickmeyer> Yeah, that's a little confusing.
[15:49]  * ErichEickmeyer might take a look
[18:00] <ErichEickmeyer> OvenWerks: I just did a "cry for help" in #ubuntu-devel and now the ball is rolling on getting those pushed to Cosmic.
[18:00] <ErichEickmeyer> tsimonq2 to the rescue.
[18:00] <tsimonq2> \o/
[18:00] <tsimonq2> So, continuing this here.
[18:01] <ErichEickmeyer> Cool.
[18:01] <tsimonq2> Seems like ACLs are kinda in place now.
[18:02] <tsimonq2> ErichEickmeyer: Could you please set https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntustudio-dev/ubuntustudio-icon-theme/+git/ubuntustudio-icon-theme to be the default for https://launchpad.net/ubuntustudio-icon-theme ?
[18:03] <tsimonq2> https://git.launchpad.net/ubuntustudio-icon-theme is now a thing, fwiw
[18:03] <ErichEickmeyer> tsimonq2: Done.
[18:04] <ErichEickmeyer> tsimonq2: Wow, we're truckin' along on this git conversion!
[18:05] <tsimonq2> ErichEickmeyer: My secret is that I can do git clone bzr::lp:foo and it just converts it automatically. But it's a two-way Bazaar interface, so when I push, it's Bazaar.
[18:05] <ErichEickmeyer> Interesting. Sounds almost... too easy. XD
[18:06] <ErichEickmeyer> OvenWerks: tsimonq2 is getting everything converted to git as well. So that should help.
[18:06] <tsimonq2> ErichEickmeyer: That's because it IS too easy. XD
[18:06] <ErichEickmeyer> LOL
[18:12] <tsimonq2> ErichEickmeyer: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntustudio-icon-theme/0.18
[18:12] <ErichEickmeyer> tsimonq2: \o/
[18:18] <ErichEickmeyer> tsimonq2: so, if I git clone bzr::lp:ubuntustudio-menu it will convert it, or is this a custom script you made?
[18:19] <tsimonq2> ErichEickmeyer: https://github.com/mnauw/git-remote-bzr
[18:19] <ErichEickmeyer> I C.
[18:21] <tsimonq2> ErichEickmeyer: So, I personally keep a set of packaging guidelines that I follow across these types of packages. Want me to note them somewhere?
[18:21] <ErichEickmeyer> That would be great.
[18:22] <tsimonq2> Where should I put them?
[18:24] <ErichEickmeyer> Do you have wiki access?
[18:25] <tsimonq2> I do.
[18:25] <ErichEickmeyer> Somewhere in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio would be good. We have a lot of cleanup to do there still.
[18:26] <ErichEickmeyer> So feel free to find a spot.
[18:26] <ErichEickmeyer> Or make a spot.
[18:26] <tsimonq2> OK, sure.
[18:27] <ErichEickmeyer> There's pages full of stuff that was never finished ([insert to-do item here]) that I'm half tempted to just delete and start over.
[18:28] <ErichEickmeyer> The term "distro reboot" that I said halfway in passing a couple months ago (that omgubuntu caught) seems like it keeps getting more and more apt.
[18:30] <tsimonq2> hehe
[18:30] <ErichEickmeyer> No pun intended. ;)
[18:42]  * ErichEickmeyer just noticed the Plymouth theme hasn't been touched in 9 years. :S
[18:42]  * ErichEickmeyer might play around with it
[18:46] <ErichEickmeyer> Ah, because there's literally nothing in it. :P
[19:05] <cyphermox> ErichEickmeyer: fyi, if you need sponsoring for uploads, don't hesitate to ping me
[19:07] <ErichEickmeyer> cyphermox: Awesome! Yeah, we definitely need that. We're making a bunch of changes to several packages and even looking to add some. For instance, OvenWerks is working on a Plasma metapackage for our first additional desktop environment, so that will be a thing.
[19:07] <cyphermox> ErichEickmeyer: ok
[19:07] <cyphermox> I can't guarantee that I always can respond /immediately/, but I'll do my best to help you out
[19:08] <cyphermox> I suspect tsimonq2 will be happy to upload what he can too, and you should feel free to ask for help in #ubuntu-devel whenever
[19:08]  * cyphermox successfully thew tsimonq2 under the bus ;)
[19:10] <tsimonq2> cyphermox: I don't care. ;)
[19:11] <tsimonq2> cyphermox: But I might conveniently ask for a peer review on a package with a 2000 line diff. >_>
[19:11] <cyphermox> tsimonq2: cool cool
[19:11] <cyphermox> tsimonq2: fwiw, it was a joke, don't feel like you must sponsor anything
[19:11] <tsimonq2> cyphermox: Yeah, I know. :)
[19:20] <ErichEickmeyer> cyphermox: Same, I don't always respond immediately.
[19:34] <studio-devel293> hello
[19:34] <studio-devel293> is there anybudy?
[19:41] <ErichEickmeyer> studio-devel293: What's up?
[19:45] <studio-devel293> I'm Alex, and I like ubuntu studio, I'm guitar player and music producer, ubutu studio is the best way to make music...   and I'm a dba at work, how can I help or contribute to the distro
[19:45] <studio-devel293> ?
[19:46] <ErichEickmeyer> Well, Alex, thanks for your interest! There's tons of ways to contribute. Do you have any experinence with documentation, artwork, or packaging?
[19:49] <ErichEickmeyer> Also see http://ubuntustudio.org/contribute
[19:49] <studio-devel293> some times i did it, art work, documentation and packaging, today Im a a database administrator at work
[19:49] <studio-devel293> i did read it
[19:51] <ErichEickmeyer> Best thing you can do is subscribe to our developer mailing list (http://lists.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-studio-devel) and introduce yourself there, and let us know what you're interested in doing. The first step for anything is to create a Launchpad account at http://launchpad.net and also registering a permanent IRC handle here on Freenode.
[19:52] <ErichEickmeyer> So, those are your first steps. I'd help more, but I need to head to work in short order.
[19:53] <studio-devel293> thank you, go ahead!!
[19:53] <ErichEickmeyer> Thanks! Welcome!
[20:05] <nirvale> I'm Alex again!!