[00:23] <ubptgbot> Shelandy was added by: Shelandy
 @duud, Still testing but i am noticing a huge battery impact with thia
 @Shelandy, Be sure to check out ubports.com/telegram-welcome to learn more about UT
[06:56] <ubptgbot> King was added by: King
 Hey @Stereofont u r going to much
 Why r u blocking me for asking questions
 [Edit] Hey @Stereofont u r going too much
 Any one tell me how to screen record in UT
 I tried this adb exec-out timeout 120 mirscreencast -m /run/mir_socket --stdout --cap-interval 2 -s 384 640 | mplayer -demuxer rawvideo -rawvideo w=384:h=640:format=rgba - … But nothing happenef
 [Edit] I tried this adb exec-out timeout 120 mirscreencast -m /run/mir_socket --stdout --cap-interval 2 -s 384 640 | mplayer -demuxer rawvideo -rawvideo w=384:h=640:format=rgba - … But nothing happened
 [Edit] I tried this …  adb exec-out timeout 120 mirscreencast -m /run/mir_socket --stdout --cap-interval 2 -s 384 640 | mplayer -demuxer rawvideo -rawvideo w=384:h=640:format=rgba - … But nothing happened
 https://docs.ubports.com/en/latest/userguide/advanceduse/screencasting.html
[07:02] <ubptgbot> King was added by: King
 Where will the video file saved?
 it should be played, not saved
 (with provided command)
 Can u tell me the procedure or tutorial iam very confused
 first, do you get it displayed?
 Nope, but I get some options after the entered code …  like -i for blah -u for blah blah something like thst
 [Edit] Nope, but I get some options after the entered code …  like -i for blah -u for blah blah something like that
 -fs for full screen
[07:49] <ubptgbot> Maheshwee was added by: Maheshwee
 @Maheshwee, Hi Mahesh S, welcome! Take a look to https://ubports.com/telegram-welcome to get you started
[10:43] <ubptgbot> King was added by: King
 Will who is gonna answer me
 @King, Please be patient. This is just rude
 http://i.imgur.com/2a4C3Nh.png
 DO IT
 🤘
[12:02] <duud> Some update about battery on hammerhead/xenial after the bt-wakelock workaround. 10% in about 10h with only cellular enabled (mobile data, wifi and so on disabled). That's on an old battery, so that's a pretty good result.
 @King, Why you joined this group 3 times in a row?
 duud what do you mean with "10%"? the battery lost only 10% in 10 hours or after 10h it went from 100% to 10%?
[12:16] <duud> mymike00: the battery lost 10% in 10 hours
 @mymike00, 90% loss after 10 hours, wouldn't be good 😅
[12:21] <duud> it depends ofc on how accurate the battery readings are, but it went from 70% to 59% in about 10h, that's a very good result with cellular enabled on an old battery, so it looks like there were almost no cpu wakeups.
 @Derray, yeah in fact. the first time I read I get like this and I was confused 😟...
 Hello guys, is it possible i install anbox on my nexus 5 with ut 16.04/devel?
 Install - why not, run.... well, there's gonna be a problem
[12:29] <duud> btw. has someone an idea, how to setup the device startup such that hciattach gets killed after each reboot and also such that it this setup survives updates?
[12:34] <duud> or something that prevents hciattach from being started such that it survives updates
 @Flohack, i think he left again (or someone kicked him out)
 @Pradhana14, you can probably install it. you can't use it yet though, no
 @duud, Fix the real prolem? :)
 @duud, my battery is lasting much longer without any use, when I start to use for TG, using the Browser or making a call, the consumption is the same as usual, I cant notice any difference But when its blocked its by far much much better
 (Photo, 1080x1920) https://irc.ubports.com/LK0RWUI0.png
[12:55] <duud> dohbee: yes, that's the right way do to it, I've no time for it unfortunately
 I did: phablet@ubuntu-phablet:~$ sudo pkill -9 hciattach
 @malditobastardo, but was it running?
 is there a light version of ubport os ?
 ~ # tar -vxf test/ubports-e5cf0885f061c9615931cf863a43f65d8590aa71027315ad719992 … 52ce118868.tar.xz … tar: write error: No space left on device … tar: short write … ~ # df -h … Filesystem                Size      Used Available Use% Mounted on … /dev/block/platform/mtk-msdc.0/by-name/system …                           1.2G      1.2
[12:58] <ubptgbot> G         0 100% /system
 no
 what device?
 meizu mx4
 do you have Ubuntu Edition OEM image on it already?
 nope
 (Photo, 1920x1080) https://irc.ubports.com/JlrfTCbH.png
 ok, you must have it before you can flash ubports. the partition layout is different on the retail Ubuntu Edition devices like the MX4
 where can i find the ubuntu edition files?
 @wouterx, see https://docs.ubports.com/en/latest/userguide/install.html and the notes about mx4
 thx
[13:05] <duud> malditobastardo: that's exactly what I'm talking about. The device wasn't able to go into deep sleep states when it's not being used.
 @duud, I just flashed latest xenial image onto my nexus5, and there's no hciattach running, and no bt in wakeup_sources
 i'm not sure if that's because my phone is damaged, but it's what i see
[13:25] <duud> ps ax|grep hciatt
[13:26] <duud> 2780 ?        S      0:00  /usr/bin/hciattach -f /system/vendor/firmware ttyHS99 bcm43xx 4000000 flow sleep /data/property/persist.service.bdroid.bdaddr
 It's sure here.
 16.04 is less stable than I expected 😕
 Anyone know how to set the time to military?
[15:00] <ubptgbot> fred barhum was added by: fred barhum
 @amolith, you can't change it to such in all the places, unfortunately
 there's a longstanding issue about that
[15:01] <ubptgbot> <fred barhum> i i have some problem with the ubport installer , my phone is not detected ... ( bq aquaris e5 ubuntu edition)
 @fred barhum, please join @WelcomePlus for installation help
[15:02] <ubptgbot> <fred barhum> ok thanks
 @dohbee, Is it on 16.04 or 15.04?
 Interesting quirk with the Nexus 5 camera: If you snap a picture while it's frozen, it still snaps the picture.
 Picture taking and viewfinder are completely separate processes, kinda neat.
 @amolith, on all ubuntu phone versions. like, you can set 12hr time for indicator, but it won't change what you see on the lock screen
 currently the only way to get 12hr time everywhere, is to select a locale that uses 12hr time, i think
 @dohbee, It did for me 😕
 On 15.04 I mean
 I wonder why we decided we wouldnt communicate about a cli install of ut. at least i can not find it in our docs
 ubports-installer is rather hit or miss
 cli never fails
 Yep but windows users that doesn't want to learn the basics are always a problem
 @matv1, what cli?
[16:02] <ubptgbot> <Joa L> Command line interface
 Is there a secret cli for installing UT?
 ubuntu-device-flash still works, but it hasn't been brought past 16.04
 @UniversalSuperBox, right that's what i was getting at. i know what cli means, i was asking which one he meant (there was also magic-device-tool which is deprecated as well)
 oh right that does not work either now. for 16.04/devel .my statement was premature
 so now what
 how to troubleshoot either the regular installer then?
 one can probably fork/build u-d-f pretty easily on other platforms
 but ubports-installer is also mostly the same code in respect to flashing
 it's probably better to fix the issues in it
 (ubuntu-device-flash package from 16.04 will work on 18.04 just fine though, fwiw)
 I am flashing from 16.04 desktop to 16.04 phone
 at least trying to
 but no idea on why its all faling
 anyway ppl expect me to fix dinner. be back shortly :)
 @matv1, Is it failing to find the device, or make it reboot? I had that problem and someone here told me to manually put the device into the boot menu, and that worked for me.
 Has anyone been having issues with telegram? I've tried 15.10 (r3) and 16.04 but it'll work for a while, and such. But after a few hours it kicks me back to the login screen where I need to type in my number and such...
 This is on a Nexus 5
 I think I've experienced that on xenial
 @Javacookies, I’ve experience that both versions. (Reimaged the last two days )
 @AlexanderPlaza it's working fine for me on vivid and xenial
 @AlexanderPlaza, Where do you live?
 @Flohack, Canada.
 @advocatux, What version of telegram are you running?
 v2.5.4.0
 @UniversalSuperBox, I don't mind taking care of it again. But if will most likely become a snap 😉
 and maybe homebrew support for macs
 That's fine. I think snaps can make udev rules either now or soon as well
 You're probably more knowledgeable of that
 @AlexanderPlaza, I am sorry to say but we got irregular problems due to Telegram distributing users between datacenters around the world sometimes, and the Telegram app chokes on that. Ask @wayneoutthere he is also from Canada and has seen this multiple times
 It really works onl ywell in Europe 😆
 @Flohack, Haha that minds me when some of the first devices for Ubuntu Touch came out. Most of them only in Europe. xD
 Thanks Florian. 😊
 There's always the Telegram webapp?
 @TartanSpartan, doesn't have push notifications
 Mmmm... I assume snaps don't just work within UBports?
 nope
 @dohbee is there a laundry list of things to get done to get them to work on 16.04?
 laundry the size of a planet i guess
 First thing to check would be whether or not the kernel have the appropriate features built in
 i guess if the kernel side works, they can be used just fine in libertine
 But before that, you'd need to clear up more space on the image since we're out of space
 but making snaps work with proper mir and unity8 apis and everything is a prospect i wish upon no human
 it was a huge pain when i was getting paid to work on that, but it was "da wey" and we had way more opportunity for influence of certain things
 I think that process would be natural with Mir still being supported
 It's a matter of updating Mir in Ubuntu Touch to the latest version
 Not a small matter
 mir is an exceptionally tiny part of the problem though
 Unity8, though
 the real problem is everything else on top
 and then the issue of actually getting things changed in snapd itself
 Here's a question from a C++ noob. If some code seems to be calling a function that doesn't exist, shouldn't it fail to build, let alone run?
 interfaces being a hard-coded list there was always a problem
 @UniversalSuperBox, compiling may be fine, as symbols can be resolved at runtime
 Ah, it was an inline function in the header
 what function doesn't exist?
 derp
 oh
 also, those :)
 well, I blame that on killing the `personal` snap (of type os, from higher management), with bases, most things could be streamlined.
 yes interfaces are hard fixed, but I like this model a lot more than the current one in Ubuntu Touch
 I can bring a different concern, then. Where is support for alternate snap stores?
 Is it working yet?
 was that actually happening?
 I remember much ado about it in the early days, but now silence
 i was never aware of any plan of having alternate stores hosted outside the canonical snap store infrastructure
 I very clearly remember discussion about it on Linux Unplugged with Chris saying something about the PPA problem
 there have been "alternate" stores hosted by canonical for a long time
[20:01] <ubptgbot> <Buck Montana> haven't figured out how to flash Ubuntu Touch on my Nexus 5
[20:01] <ubptgbot> <Buck Montana> Could someone confirm that you need an Ubuntu 14 system to do it? (I have 17 and 18 running)?
 you don't need ubuntu 14.04
 you can flash from 18.04
[20:02] <ubptgbot> <Buck Montana> Great, thanks, I'll try with that
 @Buck Montana, My understanding is you can do it using either version.
 The only thing is make sure your boot loader is unlocked.
 (or macos, or windows)
[20:02] <ubptgbot> <Buck Montana> yes, I did that repeatedly
 and back up your data
[20:03] <ubptgbot> <Buck Montana> You can flash from os X?
 yes, ubports-installer is built for all platforms
[20:03] <ubptgbot> <Buck Montana> Thanks - I guess I need to RTFM
 well, except for phones (we really should fix that, so you can flash other phones from your ubuntu phone more easily)
 @Flohack, matrix :)
 @dohbee, Yo dawg
 @wayneoutthere, why aren't you using it?
 because you are here, rodney. and i need to talk to you regularly
 yo dawg, i heard you like matrix, so there's a matrix bridge so you can talk on telegram channels from matrix
 word to your family!
 @dohbee, Nooooo no no no, Telematrix is not a good option at this room's size
 deport the inactive interlopers?
 Telematrix also doesn't handle leaves well. ;)
 My personal 2 cents: I can understand that ppl want to be free and independent from WhatsApp etc. but Telegram is really not a bad choice. Their clients is working on all major platforms, and its entry level is very low. It starts with Matrix and ends with XMPP. Those tools are not easily to handle. Just make a simple test, let your
[20:19] <ubptgbot>  mum install Matrix, and see if she has the same smooth experience like with Telegram. And the bridges are bringing even more frustration since they cannot bridge everything, as we know already.
 @Flohack, I think it also works pretty nice that even if all else fails you have a web client that works. (Never used it yet though)
 @Flohack it's easier to use Telegrandma 😂
 @Flohack, well it isn't about what one's mum uses
[21:32] <ubptgbot> <Buck Montana> Oh, but it is!
[21:32] <ubptgbot> <Buck Montana> Who else do we really talk to?
[21:33] <ubptgbot> <Buck Montana> ....OK, maybe that's just me
[21:42] <ubptgbot> Mase Samrat was added by: Mase Samrat
 @Flohack, The only solution for me to stay in touch with my family using UT is thanks to mariusgrip uMatriks. Atm our only bridge to perform video/voice calls. And they use Matrix in android/ios to stay in touch with me without issues
 Mom and dad +64yrs.
 @malditobastardo, i love how whenever people talk about these applications, they always bring up talking to parents and older generations. like, hello, it's a PHONE we're talking about. can still ring them up just fine, or send an SMS
 Yes but my parents live in the other side of the planet and making videocalls are important
 Right, a traditional phone call is very expensive, even more when you can make a "free" call using any of those apps
 @advocatux, Exactly
 well in some situations that's true
 but it's not a general fact
 I am just saying why Matrix is essential for me right now. More alternatives are welcome.
 however, it is a fact that we have multiple ways for people to keep in contact with each other, even if we don't have support for all possible ways
 acting like some don't exist, as an attempt to claim one is "enough" is i think not a good thing to do
 Well. Skype used to be the way to go.
 so did walking a mile to send a telegram :)
 (a literal telegram, not this russian service)
 and you can alawys train some pigeons :P
 the latency sucks, but you can even send video via passenger pigeon
 and might not be a bad thing to get some practice at, considering the state of affairs around the world ;)
 ...
 Passenger pigeons will be illegal in the UK and will be dead in many other country's so I don't think that should be your main concern.
 Did you mean
 messenger
 ?
 Yes
 y ban them
 animal protection or what
 err i think we are getting a bit OT for sure now :)
 dying OT is the fastest way to make me appear here hence I have nothing to do with UT now
 @K31j0, ?
 @Stereofont, no devboard to port to, no supported device to install to
 sticking 'round here just because
 @K31j0, Which takes a special level of dedication, so thank you
 @K31j0, No supported device = insufficient funds?
 I'm happy to help with any issues I can find a solution to though and will port something one day
 @Stereofont, yeah, fp2 is really expensive you know
 I'd like to have one, but no money
 Why not a cheaper option?
 I'll probably port Xperia Z2 once I get anything hybris-based to run on it flawlessly
 @Stereofont, Can't find a decent Nexus 5
 I imagine porting is difficult if you don't have a supported device as a reference base?
 @Stereofont, it's a strange sadism
 i don't judge
 i do it myself
 Oh I don't think so
 You can tell if WiFi and other hardware things don't work without a reference base
 it'd get funnier if some app wasn't liking the port
 It just seems that day to day familiarity with UT would be a help or inspiration
 Well, I thought we had some official mechanisms to help developers so maybe someone will pick up on that
 I prefer to port SailfishOS first to have patches to port to Halium and avoid fuckups
 but that's just me
 If I remember right, your postal service is not the greatest …
 like that Z2 has totally broken ofono right now
 and I need somebody from #sailfishos-porters to help me fix it
 also, media playback/camera
 and I'll be finished with  that and ready to port halium
 Rudi knows Sailfish?
 Rudi?
 Seems I don't know somebody that is probably important
 @K31j0, @Xray2000
 If my memory is right, he has worked a lot with Sailfish OS
 is it possible to run anbox on the fp2 by now?
 No i don't think so, the efforts are still focus on migrating to Xenial, what anbox needs :)
 Exactly, also Qualcomm devices are proving quite troublesome
 well
 but MTK doesn't have
 ##linux-msm :P