[00:00] <PigDude> but agreed also using pixel measurements might be brittle
[00:05] <donu7> Hello, I need help figuring out what to try next -- on an almost fresh install of 16.04 i can't change pw for a new user as root. I'm getting "passwd: Authentication token manipulation error"
[00:06] <donu7> I've checked/tried `passwd -S user` to check status and from there tried `passwd -u user` to unlock, tried `usermod -e -U user` to unlock and remove pw expiration date (there shouldn't be any expiration dates set in general but still)
[00:07] <Sven_vB> donu7, can you change your own password?
[00:07] <Sven_vB> donu7, or any other user's
[00:08] <donu7> I cannot -- I su to new user from root, then run `passwd` to change pw and am asked for current pw and when I type it in it fails
[00:08] <Sven_vB> what if you use "passwd username" as root
[00:08] <donu7> When I try to set a pw as root, I don't get a prompt for a new pw, I just immediately get the auth token manipulation error
[00:09] <Sven_vB> check permissions on /etc/shadow
[00:09] <donu7> this is occuring on 4 out of 5 vms that all have ubuntu 16.04
[00:09] <donu7> the permissions and extended attributes on /etc/passwd and /etc/shadow are the same and, afaik, correct
[00:09] <donu7> -rw-r----- 1 root shadow 1.4K Jun 14 18:08 /etc/shadow
[00:10] <Sven_vB> looks good.
[00:10] <donu7> -------------e-- /etc/shadow
[00:10] <Sven_vB> you could strace the passwd program to see what makes it fail.
[00:10] <donu7> I did try that, on both the working and non-working vms. I just ran `strace passwd user` to see what comes up on both
[00:11] <Sven_vB> you'll want at least -o logfile, probably some more options
[00:11] <Sven_vB> I think -yfo or so
[00:11] <donu7> now, on the non-working vm I get a number of repeating "file not found" errors that don't occur on the vm that is working
[00:11] <Sven_vB> might there be any broken packages pending repair?
[00:13] <donu7> I think that's a good possibility. The last thing I did on these vms before encountering this issue is: 1) install pbis-open for AD domain auth, 2) install nx-server (i have enterprise licenses) and then apt-get update/upgrade/reboot
[00:13] <donu7> Also, Sven, I got a new, logged, strace but I'm not sure what I'm looking for
[00:14] <donu7> here's a snipped of the no file error i referred to earlier: https://pastebin.com/SzhmPkXF
[00:14] <Sven_vB> me neither. I'd probably just try and compare it to an strace of a VM where it works, after normalizing the hex numbers
[00:16] <Sven_vB> also check whether any program might be holding a lock on one of the auth files.
[00:28] <donu7> I've looked into your suggestions Sven_vB and they lead me down the right track
[00:28] <Sven_vB> :) glad I could be of help.
[00:28] <rangemonger> either im losing my mind or theres a bug when installing ubuntu along side a windows install now
[00:28] <Sven_vB> gotta go now though, good luck fixing it!
[00:28] <donu7> thanks!
[00:29] <rangemonger> if all i have on a drive is w7 and its boot partition, the rest being free space, the 'install along side windows' option fails every time, on my real machine and a vm
[00:30] <donu7> what flavor of ubuntu is that occurring on?
[00:30] <donu7> (server, desktop, etc)
[00:30] <rangemonger> xubuntu 18.04
[00:31] <rangemonger> x64
[00:31] <rangemonger> i used to install old versions fine this way
[00:33] <rangemonger> if it fails once more, ill give it a go with the standard desktop ubuntu disc but it shouldnt matter
[00:33] <Jordan_U> rangemonger: How does it fail? What does happen?
[00:33] <rangemonger> just a moment, im atempting it once more so ill tell you when it comes up again
[00:34] <rangemonger> Jordan_U: installer crashed
[00:35] <rangemonger> "where sorry, the installer crashed..."
[00:35] <Trel> I'm noticing an odd behavior with tput, and I'm not sure if it's the shell or tput causing the issue, but here's what I'm seeing: https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/hzTMdH96MR/ anyone have any idea?
[00:40] <Jordan_U> Trel: https://superuser.com/questions/1135171/stderr-redirection-in-subshell-changes-output-of-tput
[00:43] <Trel> Jordan_U: thanks.  Pity their solution doesn't work though, since I was trying to use it to || other command, in the even that tput didn't exist ><
[00:43] <Trel> Looks like I'll have to explicitly check and if/else it instead
[00:50] <flipper> Why does ubuntu has so many python packages when pip is the (mostly) standard way to release and install them?
[00:52] <nacc> flipper: so that packages that depend on them can exist
[00:54] <flipper> nacc: Hmm, couldn't they use pip to install those requirements in the intall process?
[00:55] <flipper> nacc: Though in that case they would depend on pip which could be problematic in some cases
[00:55] <flipper> Thanks!
[00:56] <rangemonger> Jordan_U: "sorry but the application ubiquity has stopped unexpectedly" thats what happens on a normal desktop ubuntu install attempt
[00:57] <rangemonger> Jordan_U: crashed with signal 5 in xeventsqueued
[01:47] <andrew09> I tried to install Ubuntu 18.04 and after connecting to the WiFi I face this message in the next page "Not available because there is no internet connection" even though it's working in the Live version and I can use the internet but can't in the installer.
[01:48] <meltir> hi guys, im on 17.10 (hanging back for reasons), im trying to change the default behaviour of switching workspaces. atm switching to workspace 2 moves the focused window to the workspace im switching to. i want it to stay where it is. google has not been helpful. ideas ? (please?)
[01:56] <andrew09> Anyone in this chat???
[01:58] <meltir> andrew09: ping
[02:04] <andrew09> ?
[02:04] <andrew09> ?
[02:04] <andrew09> ?
[02:28] <wreo> yeah
[02:37] <ziggylazer> yeah
[03:31] <slimetrap> duplicity/gui seems to be ignoring whatever password i give it ive tried resetting many times
[03:31] <slimetrap> ugh
[03:51] <neoncontrails> I'm a bit of a noob to Ubuntu and the diversity of command-line interpreters out there. (Currently experimenting with zsh.) I'm a little confused how to add a *persistent* variable to the environment: if I add """export PYTHONPATH="$PYTHONPATH:/new/path"""" to ~/.profile, it's not loaded by bash. If I add to ~/.bash_profile, it's not loaded by zsh. What's the solution here?
[03:56] <neoncontrails> Ooh, wait, I think I see: ~/.profile is only ignored by bash if ~/.bash_profile exists. So if I want a single source of truth, I just delete ~/.bash_profile, correct?
[03:58] <Jordan_U> neoncontrails: That, or have your ~/.bash_profile explicitly "source ~/.profile", or have both ~/.profile and ~/.bash_profile explicitly source a file like ~/.neocontrails_environment , or any number of other solutions.
[04:02] <Newf> Question
[04:03] <neoncontrails> Jordan_U: Say I choose the first option for simplicity. Are there any corner cases to be aware of? Like, cases where bash and zsh probably shouldn't have the same value for a particular variable?
[04:04] <Newf> If there a way to connect with Ubantu server without using IPV6 on install?
[04:04] <neoncontrails> The only case I can think of is where $varname is a function, and calls functions that maybe bash has that zsh doesn't or vice versa.
[04:04] <Jordan_U> neoncontrails: I don't know. I'd be more concerned with ensuring that your .profile doesn't have any bashisms or zshisms though. #bash and #zsh would be good places to ask if you want to be sure.
[04:05] <neoncontrails> Got it. Thanks for sanity checking me!
[04:06] <Jordan_U> neoncontrails: Incidentally, that's why I think I would personally either A: Have a very simple short .profile or B: Set things up so that different shells read entirely different profiles, with just a single small simple file containing environment assignments that both profiles source.
[04:06] <Jordan_U> neoncontrails: You're welcome.
[04:06] <neoncontrails> Yes that makes sense to me. Basically only put aliases in .profile, if one wants to use that
[04:07] <neoncontrails> And, I guess, use shellcheck when in doubt :)
[04:07] <Jordan_U> Newf: If you have a question, please just ask it.
[04:08] <Newf> If there a way to connect with Ubantu server without using IPV6 on install? our router is not setup for either just DHCP
[04:08] <Newf> Ubantu shows the network card but does not use it
[04:12] <Jordan_U> Newf: It's "Ubuntu" not "Ubantu". I'm not sure why you're asking about ipv6. You can of course connect to Ubuntu server, using ssh, http(s), or any other service you have configured using ipv4.
[04:12] <Newf> Sorry new to the OS.  ipv4 is not setup either. When i try to install it cannot update
[04:13] <Newf> cannot download updates
[04:13] <Newf> does not let me select the DHCP network card
[04:14] <Jordan_U> Newf: Are you trying to connect to the internet via ethernet or wirelessly?
[04:14] <Newf> ethernet
[04:14] <Newf> router had ip4 disabled and not setup
[04:16] <Jordan_U> Newf: A router without ipv4 is not a very useful router. I think you're confused.
[04:16] <Newf> no I am not confused.  camr from the telecom company with ip4 and ip6 disables in the options
[04:17] <Jordan_U> Newf: Are there other machines connected to this router?
[04:17] <Newf> alot with windows
[04:17] <Jordan_U> Newf: OK, are those other machines able to connect to the internet through this router?
[04:17] <Newf> yes ethernet and wireless all DHCP
[04:18] <neoncontrails> Jordan_U: Quick follow-up q. Do you know of any gui programs for managing environment variables a la Dconf Editor? I did a quick Google search and surprisingly nothing came up.
[04:18] <Jordan_U> neoncontrails: Then ipv4 is not disabled on your router.
[04:18] <Jordan_U> neoncontrails: I do not know of any, no.
[04:19] <neoncontrails> Hm. Perhaps a future project idea :)
[04:19] <Jordan_U> neoncontrails: Then ipv4 is not disabled on your router.
[04:19] <rick__> im running ubuntu 18.04 and trying to use virtual box. im getting an error  1908 that says kernel driver is not installed i ran the dkms in the terminal and it says that " dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'sudo dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem".
[04:19] <Jordan_U> neoncontrails: Sorry, I promise I won't mistab to you a third time :)
[04:20] <Jordan_U> Newf: Then ipv4 is not disabled on your router. (sorry for using the wrong nick in my previous messages).
[04:20] <ZaZaQR> hello
[04:20] <rick__> when i run sudo dpkg --configure -a virtualbox is uninstalled then attempts to be reinstalled but it stops while loading dkms  files and just hangs on " building initial module""
[04:20] <neoncontrails> No prob. I styled my IRC window to look like my terminal recently and I've been caught occasionally trying to cd into things in #python :)
[04:20] <rick__> i let it sit there for hours and got nothing
[04:21] <Jordan_U> Newf: What version of Ubuntu did you install?
[04:22] <Newf> ubuntu-18.04-live-server-amd64
[04:22] <Newf> i just looked again and there is no ipv4 settings in my router oops
[04:22] <Newf> To get old and start to lose your mind
[04:23] <Jordan_U> Newf: And if you plug exactly the same ethernet cable, still connected to the exact same port on your router, to another computer, it works?
[04:23] <Newf> yes
[04:26] <Jordan_U> Newf: Please pastebin the output, or post a picture of your screen taken with a camera to https://imgr.com , of "ip addr".
[04:26] <Newf> ok.  got  question that may answer this one
[04:27] <rick__> does anyone know where i can find tutorials documents or information that could explain the message " dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'sudo dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem."
[04:27] <Newf> when I reboot after install it says boot from first hard drive.  There is a partition that used to have the Windows OS on it.  Is this considered the first hard drive?
[04:29] <Jordan_U> Newf: It's a Windows thing to call partitions "drives". A drive is a physical thing, you might have 14 partitions and if you only have one physical storage device connected to your computer you only have one drive. Does that answer your question?
[04:30] <Newf> What I am wondering is if Ubuntu is not installed on that particular space and that is where the restart is trying to load that would be my issue.   I would just an idiot
[04:32] <Jordan_U> Newf: I think you would notice if you were booting into Windows rather than Ubuntu. Maybe I'm not understanding your question.
[04:32] <Newf> Ubuntu server is the only OS installed
[04:32] <Newf> what I think may be happening is the restart is trying to read a blank partition and only reading off the USB
[04:33] <Newf> That is where I would be the idiot
[04:35] <Newf> Thanks for the time I think i am gonna go and totally wipe that drive of everything and just install it from scratch
[04:35] <Jordan_U> Newf: Try rebooting without the Ubuntu install USB plugged in. That should clarify things pretty definitively, though I don't think that you're booting from USB. You pretty clearly have booted into your newly installed system, and so I don't think that anything about which drive your computer is booting from is related to your network problems.
[04:36] <Newf> I never got past the first reboot yet after days of trying ill go pull the usb and see if that fixes it
[05:07] <sjvxid71> HIE
[05:08] <sjvxid71_> hello
[05:08] <sjvxid71_> anyonr?
[05:08] <sjvxid71_> e*
[05:09] <guiverc_d> sjvxid71_, if you have a Ubuntu Support question, please just ask it (ideally in a single line, and be patient waiting for a reply; if someone has an answer they'll give it when they can)
[05:10] <sjvxid71_> what is ubuntu?
[05:11] <guiverc_d> Ubuntu is a GNU/Linux distribution, the most popular or most used - an operating system
[05:13] <lotuspsychje> sjvxid71_: and we strongly reccomend you try it :p
[05:13] <guiverc_d> "Ubuntu is a free and open source operating system and Linux distribution based on Debian. Ubuntu is offered in three official editions: Ubuntu Desktop for personal computers, Ubuntu Server for servers and the cloud, and Ubuntu Core for Internet of things devices. New releases of Ubuntu occur every six months, while long-term support releases occur every two years. ..." (first answer from duckduckgo [wikipedia])      :)
[05:13] <guiverc_d> @ lotuspsychje
[05:13] <sjvxid71_> so, how do u think im chatting with?
[05:14] <lotuspsychje> sjvxid71_: with an irc client?
[05:14] <sjvxid71_> anyone free tonight?
[05:15] <lotuspsychje> sjvxid71_: this channel is only for ubuntu support questions
[05:15] <razwelles> Does suspend rely on swsusp or uswsusp in ubuntu?
[05:15] <sjvxid71_> yeah ik!! but don't u need ant bf in future?
[05:16] <sjvxid71_> any*
[05:16] <lotuspsychje> sjvxid71_: stop please
[05:16] <sjvxid71_> ok but can we be friends?
[05:17] <sjvxid71_> you ther?
[05:18] <sjvxid71_> there*
[05:18] <sjvxid71_> hey lotus?
[05:19] <lotuspsychje> razwelles: perhaps if you explain what you are trying to do exactly? volunteers might be helping better
[05:19] <razwelles> lotuspsychje, I'm trying to understand the underpinnings of how linux puts a system on sleep. I've followed up to s2ram, and /sys/power/state, but I'm trying to find source code and I don't know where to go from there.
[05:20] <lotuspsychje> razwelles: hmm, perhaps the #ubuntu-devel guys might know more about this structure
[05:20] <razwelles> lotuspsychje, thanks I'll check there
[05:20] <sjvxid71_> nobody is answering me perhaps!!!
[05:21] <guiverc_d> razwelles, i suspect Ubuntu uses whatever the kernel being used does - the more changes made, the more it costs (reosurces etc) to maintain...
[05:21] <lotuspsychje> sjvxid71_: thats because you dont seem to understand this channel is NOT for chat
[05:22] <sjvxid71_> so can i get ur instagram id? maybe i can chat with u there!!
[05:22] <sjvxid71_> if that makes sense
[05:22] <lotuspsychje> sjvxid71_: join #ubuntu-discuss
[05:22] <razwelles> guiverc_d, it seems that suspend2 was candidate a while back but then swsusp became the code that got merged into main but, as I'm still all new to this I'm having a hard time pinpointing a pathway
[05:22] <sjvxid71_> ur instagram id, no ubuntu
[05:23] <sjvxid71_> lotus?
[05:24] <sjvxid71_> can i have ur insta id?
[05:24] <lotuspsychje> sjvxid71_: if you dont stop, your attitude will get you banned
[05:24] <sjvxid71_> fuck u
[05:33] <zap0> how do i find out what the default ver of Wine that will be installed is?
[05:38] <lotuspsychje> zap0: apt-cache policy wine
[05:40] <zap0> installed: none.     candidate: none.  version table:  {nothing printed}
[05:40] <zap0> that's not quite what i want to know
[05:41] <EriC^> !info wine
[05:41] <EriC^> !info wine-i386
[05:41] <guiverc_d> zap0, for me too, however a apt install wine<tab> shows i can get wine1.6, wine....
[05:41] <guiverc_d> (if you're specific as to the package name - you'll get details from apt-cache policy..
[05:41] <zap0> wine3 is the current new shiny ver; i was wondering when that would be default
[05:42] <guiverc_d> when someone packages it up, it's tested etc... wine is in universe (community supported)
[05:43] <zap0> i think ver 1.6  si *very* old.. i wonder why that's it
[05:44] <guiverc_d> zap0, i suspect because most of us don't use it, but a huge part is no-one works on packaging up, testing later versions (as stated its in universe - community has to do it... if you want it, best thing to do is help package, test.. & be part fo the community & not just a user?)
[05:45] <guiverc_d> you may find later versions of wine in snap store (i don't know)
[05:45] <Furai> What are community thought of snap packages?
[05:45] <Furai> thoughts on*
[05:46] <guiverc_d> Furai, that question is probably better suited to #ubuntu-discuss  (inc. the talk now on wine; though it started as a support question...)
[05:46] <eraf> yesterday i have added a mount using sudo mount -t nfs 35.154.87.157:/home/centos /home/vagrant/ec2
[05:46] <eraf> i have mistakenly terminated the ec2 instance on aws
[05:47] <eraf> now if i type df -h
[05:47] <eraf> it takes a lot of time and the output of the command never shows up
[05:47] <eraf> how do i clean up the entry
[05:47] <EriC^> eraf: sudo umount -f /home/vagrant/ec2
[05:48] <EriC^> or umount -l
[05:48] <eraf> EriC^: what is umount -l?
[05:48] <guiverc_d> eraf, you need to umount (unmount) it.
[05:48] <EriC^> lazy unmount
[05:49] <eraf> EriC^: also findmnt -D,cat /bin/mount, cat /proc/mounts.. are all the same?
[05:50] <eraf> tried to read the man page,but im not getting it
[05:50] <EriC^> eraf: cat /bin/mount is definitely not the same
[05:50] <Furai> guiverc_d, noted. So I guess I'll leave it unanswered, cba to join yet another channel on freenode, I'm already in 40+... :)
[05:51] <eraf> what is the difference then
[06:41] <Darth_Vader> bye bye guys
[06:52] <afidegnum> hello, i couldn't fix my issue yesterday, can you please give a hand? i m trying to install vim with python2 supprot by default; using ubuntu 16:04
[06:52] <ikonia> by python2 support you mean python syntax hilighting ?
[06:52] <ikonia> or something else ?
[06:54] <afidegnum> no, plugin supprot
[06:55] <afidegnum> i have few plugins where were built in python 2
[06:55] <ikonia> I've never heard of plugins for vim
[06:55] <ikonia> vim is a basic text editor, what do you mean by "plugins" ?
[06:56] <ikonia> ahh plugins are baiscally just config definitions
[06:57] <ikonia> afidegnum: so what is your actual issue then, install vim, place the "plugin" data on the file system and update the vimrc to reference it
[07:20] <jackhum> hi , my 16.04 is facing a strange problem from last night, concise problem is , i dont get any sound , sometimes sound indicator icons shows , sometimes it doesnt . sometimes sound works after login logout , but then headphones cant be detected . can anyone help me to diagnose this thing
[07:20] <gigirock> !inxi
[07:20] <gigirock> !info inxi
[07:21] <Haneul> Hello
[07:21] <Haneul> I have some question as to chown
[07:23] <Haneul> is there any way to give owner status to 'non-existing' user or group?
[07:24] <ikonia> you can set it to a uid
[07:24] <ikonia> but the uid must exist
[07:24] <Haneul> I am making a custom rom for my Android device, and I want to set the ownership for the user, which does not exist in my Ubuntu, in the phone
[07:24] <Haneul> but in my phone*
[07:25] <ikonia> create the uid on your system, the same as the android device, set the owner, then remove the group
[07:25] <ikonia> it will persist with the missing UID
[07:25] <ikonia> but when you move it to your phone the UID will exist so it will be fine
[07:26] <Haneul> that is actually what I tried and when I type ls -al it comes out as "-rw-r--r--+ 1 Unknown+User   root     19884 12  5  2012 SuperSU.apk"
[07:26] <ikonia> Haneul: right, so you'll find that's because the UID is gone
[07:27] <Haneul> I see, then I will try the file in my Android. Thank you!
[07:28] <ikonia> Haneul: normally you get the uid rather than "Unknown+User
[07:28] <ikonia> -rw-r--r--.  1 2000 users    0 Jun 15 08:27 test
[07:28] <ikonia> for example
[07:28] <ikonia> so if I removed the user that had uid 2000 I see the uid 2000 even though the user and uid no longer exists
[07:28] <ikonia> I'd double check how you added/removed the user
[07:29] <Haneul> I made user account... and blew the account up.
[07:30] <ikonia> please try to talk in clear english
[07:30] <ikonia> "blew the account up"
[07:30] <Haneul> Delete*
[07:30] <ikonia> what does that mean ?
[07:30] <ikonia> Haneul: ok - so you created an account, changed teh ownership, removed the user
[07:30] <ikonia> how did you create the user/delete the account
[07:31] <rick111> ive been having an absolutely miserable experience with ubuntu so far. ive tried for the last 2 days to get virtualbox working but it doesnt work. something about the ubuntu 18.04 kernel not having the right drivers. i dug deeper and found that these drivers are third party and i disabled third party installs during the ubuntu installation because
[07:31] <rick111> they required me to disable secure boot. after realizing that i need to disable secure boot to install virtualbox i reinstalled ubuntu and disabled secure boot but now the installation keeps failing. im on the ubuntu tryout. this is a mess. what should i do? try another distro?
[07:32] <Haneul> 'adduser xxx', and 'userdel -r xxx'
[07:32] <ikonia> rick111: you don't need to disable secure boot to install virtual box
[07:32] <ikonia> Haneul: interesting, I'd have expected that to still show the user, but I suspect it's fine
[07:33] <rick111> ikonia: i have tried everything i can think of. i found a forum that said it worked after that and the ubuntu installer informed me that third party software doesnt work with  secure boot enabled. if what you say is true then i will reinstall ubuntu with secure boot enabled. but can you explain why the ubuntu kernel 18.04 doesnt supprot virtual box
[07:33] <rick111> ?
[07:34] <ikonia> rick111: ubuntu kernel supports virtualbox just fine
[07:34] <rick111> ???
[07:34] <hateball> rick111: it just doesnt have virtualbox modules installed by default, and as those are not signed thats why you need to disable module verification in the boot shim
[07:35] <hateball> which is not actually disabling secure boot
[07:35] <rick111> ive been trying to install virtual box for 2 days and i keep getting an error stating that it doesnt support the drivers. also ive tried to  the --configure  - a command in the terminal and the installation get stuck
[07:35] <ikonia> rick111: where are you getting virtualbox from
[07:35] <rick111> its the latest virtual box from virtualbox.org
[07:35] <Haneul> rick111: enter the CMOS and check if your VT-x is turned on.
[07:35] <ikonia> ok - so stop that rick111
[07:35] <rick111> its virtualbox 5.2
[07:36] <ikonia> rick111: use virtualbox packages provided by ubuntu
[07:36] <ikonia> that way you know it moves with ubuntu and is supported and stable with ubuntu
[07:36] <rick111> haneul is that security settings?
[07:36] <ikonia> external providers like virtualbox won't be in sync with every change in every distro
[07:36] <rick111> ikonia: you mean the commands used to install virtualbox through the terminal?
[07:36] <ikonia> rick111: I mean the virtualbox pacakge is part of the ubuntu repos, packaged and maintaiend by ubuntu
[07:36] <ikonia> use that
[07:37] <rick111> the ubuntu software center ?
[07:37] <ikonia> yes
[07:37] <rick111> i tried that one first
[07:37] <lotuspsychje> !info virtualbox bionic | rick111 suggested by ikonia
[07:37] <ikonia> ok, and what happened
[07:37] <Haneul> rick111: no, VT-x stands for Intel® Virtualization Technology.
[07:38] <Haneul> you need to turn it on before using any simulation on your OS
[07:38] <rick111> Haneul: oh yes i went into the bios and saw that it was enabled
[07:38] <rick111> ikonia: im going to try that again right now just to be sure
[07:38] <rick111> im going try installing it and running it from the software center
[07:39] <rick111> strange...the software center doesnt have a search bar?
[07:39] <rick111> nevermind fount it
[07:40] <rick111> okay im in ubuntu software and virtualbox does not appear when i type it in the search box. anyone know why?
[07:41] <Haneul> do sudo apt-get install virtualbox then
[07:42] <rick111> ok
[07:42] <lotuspsychje> rick111: works here on 18.04
[07:42] <rick111> okay i think i dont have access to it because im on a trial
[07:43] <rick111> after i reinstalled ubuntu to disable secure boot. the install failed and it rerouted me to the trial
[07:43] <rick111> so when i typed that command in the terminal it says " unable to access virtualbox"
[07:43] <ikonia> rick111: are you running in a livecd ?
[07:43] <ikonia> or an install
[07:44] <rick111> im gonna hve to do a complete installation and try this again HOWEVER i do recall using this command when i had the full version an hour ago and the installation kept freezing on " initiating " something i forgot
[07:44] <rick111> ikonia: not sure what livecd is.  im in the version of ubuntu that says " try ubuntu"
[07:44] <lotuspsychje> facepalm
[07:44] <Haneul> ^
[07:45] <ikonia> rick111: you're not at a level where you're going to be able to deal with virtualization
[07:45] <rick111> so when i had  the complete version the installation via terminal still didnt work.right now i will reinstall the full version so that i can show  you all what the error code was when i tried installing it through ubuntu terminal
[07:45] <ikonia> you're going to need to grasp some linux basic fundementals
[07:45] <Haneul> install the OS in your PC first... and then do sudo apt-get install virtualbox.
[07:46] <rick111> ikonia: i dont understand jack. I just want to start from the virtual machine so i dont catch viruses.  once i get there then im going to start with a book on linux command line. do you think thats a good idea?
[07:46] <ikonia> no
[07:46] <rick111> okay how do i do this then? where do i start?
[07:46] <ikonia> rick111: just install linux, and try to use it on a day to day basis, ask questions / read documentation (official not random things on the intenet)
[07:46] <Haneul> I think you had to do apt-get purge virtualbox if you had freezing on "initiating"
[07:46] <ikonia> you'll learn the basics quickly forcing yourself to use it for day to day activities
[07:47] <rick111> haneul: that might have been the solution to the problem i will try that
[07:47] <rick111> ikonia: i have to learn faster than that though. i need something that will just teach me all of the good stuff up front
[07:47] <lotuspsychje> !manual | rick111
[07:47] <rick111> do youy have any good books like beginner to expert books or something you can reccommend?
[07:48] <Haneul> rick111: the real problem you would face in Ubuntu is not viruss but regressions. ;p
[07:48] <lotuspsychje> rick111: as suggested above, as good base, install ubuntu on your computer first
[07:48] <rick111> ubottu: understood thanks
[07:48] <rick111> haneul: what are regressions?
[07:50] <rick111> gonna install the full version. brb
[07:53] <Haneul> :ikonia I have tried the files with their ownerships modified in my phone, and got bricked. I can fix the brick but...
[07:54] <ikonia> Haneul: sadly I don't know enough about your android device/flash/deployment process to add any real value
[07:54] <ikonia> I suspect the #android channel would be your best option
[07:54] <Haneul> no, I just want to ask how to move the files that I gave proper ownerships and permissions.
[07:55] <ikonia> Haneul: right, so you've given it proper ownership and permissions, and it's not worked
[07:55] <ikonia> that suggests it's something to do with the android process
[07:55] <ikonia> hence #android would be the place to work this through
[07:56] <Haneul> I've just done chmod 777 and chown root:root on my another laptop, and when I move the files thru GUI file manager, the changes in permission and ownership return to it's former status
[07:57] <ikonia> Haneul: ok - so that will be the mask on the android device
[07:57] <ikonia> so again, #android is the place to work this through
[07:57] <ghost291> hi. someone knows a way to burn Proxmox, some linux distros and windows ISOs on one bootable usb stick ?
[07:58] <ikonia> ghost291: ask in #proxmox
[07:58] <Haneul> ghost291: use Rufus.
[07:59] <V7> Hey all
[08:00] <V7> Can't boot an installer for Ubuntu Server 16.04.4" on old machine
[08:00] <ghost291> Haneul, thx, didn't know you can put several ISOs in Rufus
[08:00] <V7> When trying to boot an installer from a CD it gives: Loading bootlogo...; graphics initializaion failed; Error setting up gfxboot; boot:;
[08:01] <V7> When typing "help" into "boot:" prompt it gives the same
[08:02] <Haneul> ghost291, forgot to tell you that you can divide the partitions using 'BOOTICE'
[08:02] <V7> Screen: https://i.imgur.com/tQhsnzL.jpg
[08:02] <V7> Anyone, plese
[08:02] <Haneul> and then put the iso in each partition with rufus.
[08:02] <V7> please *
[08:03] <Haneul> V7: what did you use to put the Ubuntu image on your USB or CD?
[08:03] <Haneul> in*
[08:04] <V7> Haneul: As you could see in messages above: CD
[08:04] <ghost291> Haneul, alright, thanks
[08:04] <guiverc_d> V7, that doesn't look like Ubuntu?  what is it?
[08:04] <V7> This is Ubuntu Server 16.04.4
[08:05] <Haneul> check if your isolinux is outdated or corrupted
[08:05] <V7> Haneul: This image was downloaded from official resource
[08:06] <guiverc_d> okay (i mostly use desktop; different installer) - I don't know other than md5sum/sha.. is invalid (& you didn't check) - #ubuntu-server may know more if you can't find a solution here...
[08:06] <lotuspsychje> V7: also check another tool to create the usb, looks like faulty to me
[08:06] <V7> lotuspsychje: oh dear
[08:06] <V7> CD
[08:06] <Haneul> V7, what disk writting utility did you use to make your bootable CD?
[08:06] <V7> UltraISO
[08:06] <Haneul> writing*
[08:07] <lotuspsychje> V7: try something else
[08:07] <V7> guiverc_d: This is not an installer on screen. This is ISOLINUX bootlader
[08:07] <Haneul> It's just my personal experience -- I had a lot of problem in booting with UltraISO.
[08:07] <V7> This is not a ISO fail. This is boot fail
[08:07] <guiverc_d> okay v7
[08:08] <V7> Could anyone suggest soemthing more reliable than reburning 4-th time the redownloaded image and different disks
[08:09] <V7> I've downlaoded this image by clicking this button on alternative downloads ( on ubuntu official site ): https://i.imgur.com/9bUSH4d.png
[08:10] <Haneul> Can you try USB to boot the image?
[08:10] <V7> Haneul: No
[08:10] <EriC^^> V7: did you checksum the image?
[08:11] <EriC^^> downloading it 100 times won't matter if your isp has a corrupted version cached :)
[08:11] <lotuspsychje> V7: did you try TAB button to bypass the gfx error?
[08:13] <ghost291> Haneul, so if I understand ok, I need to create partitions for every ISO I want to burn on USB stick with bootice, right ?
[08:13] <Haneul> ghost291: yes.
[08:14] <ghost291> Haneul, alright
[08:14] <Haneul> you may want to put at least about 8Gib for each partition.
[08:15] <V7> checksum: https://i.imgur.com/vfYAmYr.png
[08:15] <V7> As you could see: the same
[08:16] <lotuspsychje> V7: did you try TAB to bypass the gfx error?
[08:17] <rick111> im back with a full version of ubuntu 18.04. I am about to install virtualbox from the ubuntu software center instead of the virtualbox.or website
[08:17] <Haneul> V7: Try this. https://www.syslinux.org/wiki/index.php?title=ISOLINUX#How_Can_I_Make_a_Bootable_CD_With_ISOLINUX.3F
[08:17] <rick111> this is the right move correct?
[08:17] <lotuspsychje> rick111: yes
[08:17] <rick111> alright here it goes
[08:17] <lotuspsychje> rick111: always install software from the official ubuntu repos
[08:18] <rick111> k. its currently installing. going smoothly  so far
[08:18] <V7> Haneul: Already
[08:18] <V7> This is not a CD fail
[08:19] <V7> lotuspsychje: It gives available commands
[08:19] <lotuspsychje> V7: wich are?
[08:19] <Haneul> rick111, Ctrl + Alt + T and type apt-get purge virtualbox, if something goes wrong.
[08:19] <V7> lotuspsychje: Also, when I'm trying to run any of them it just tells the same error as at the start
[08:20] <rick111> haneul: okay
[08:20] <V7> lotuspsychje: install hwe-install cloud check memtest hd mainmenu expert rescue help
[08:20] <lotuspsychje> V7: that tab bypass is a known bug, but looping again to the start isnt
[08:20] <rick111> haneul: here it goes again. its talking about secure boot during the install
[08:21] <lotuspsychje> V7: ok did you try install?
[08:21] <V7> Yes. It gives the same error as on screen.
[08:21] <lotuspsychje> V7: try something else to burn your cd
[08:22] <rick111> "EFI Secure Boot requires additional configuration to work with third-party drivers.
[08:22] <rick111> The system will assist you in configuring UEFI Secure Boot. To permit the use of third-party drivers, a new Machine-Owner Key (MOK) has been generated. This key now needs to be enrolled in your system's firmware.
[08:22] <rick111> "UEFI Secure Boot requires additional configuration to work with third-party drivers." is this right? did you have to do this?
[08:22] <rick111> oops didnt mean to paste that much. sorry about hat
[08:22] <Haneul> rick111, if you really need to use virtualbox, you can just turn off the secure boot.
[08:22] <rick111> *that
[08:22] <rick111> k
[08:23] <rick111> do you use virtualbox? isnt it safer to use it than to browse on your real os?
[08:23] <V7> Already tried Nero and suggested in help.ubuntu.com/community/BurningIsoHowTo
[08:23] <V7> The same
[08:23] <Haneul> in most BIOSs using UEFI, you can turn the secure boot off by setting password.
[08:23] <Haneul> rick111, I don't think so.
[08:23] <V7> Screen: https://i.imgur.com/LUBCmrT.jpg
[08:24] <Haneul> supervisor password in this case*
[08:24] <rick111> haneul: why not? i heard its much harder for viruses to infect your real os if you browse with a virtualbox but im just a noob so i dont know if its just hearsay
[08:24] <lotuspsychje> V7: could try another server version perhaps as test
[08:25] <ikonia> rick111: what do you actually want virtualbox for ?
[08:25] <rick111> security against viruses and infections
[08:25] <ikonia> rick111: I feel this is outstand your current experience level
[08:25] <Haneul> rick111, there are not that much chance in Linux systems catching viruses.
[08:25] <ikonia> rick111: ok - that's not going to help realisticallyu
[08:25] <rick111> i want to be able to browse and download and not have to worry so much about viruses
[08:25] <ikonia> rick111: if you use your ubuntu desktop install, apply common sense, you'll have no problems
[08:25] <rick111> i alwasy get viruses especially when i download a torrent
[08:26] <ikonia> setting up a VM with virtual networking, IP forwarding, etc etc is going to be out of your experience level at this time and it won't really give you any value
[08:26] <rick111> ikonia: not even one degree of separation?
[08:26] <ikonia> no
[08:26] <Haneul> the viruses designed to work in Windows won't work in Ubuntu, rick111.
[08:26] <Tegu> unless you run them in Wine
[08:27] <Haneul> ^
[08:27] <ikonia> rick111: you need to learn the basics first, just use ubuntu as your desktop, ask for help/advice and read OFFICIAL documentation
[08:27] <rick111> ikonia: ohh so it could work but i would have to set up virtual networking and IP forwarding ( dont know what that is but would love to read up on it). Maybe THIS is a good place to start in educating myself on all of this yea?
[08:27] <rick111> oh okay
[08:27] <ikonia> rick111: no
[08:27] <Haneul> rick111, no.
[08:27] <ikonia> rick111: that is way too advanced
[08:27] <ikonia> just "use" your desktop as a day to day machine, ask for help and advice and read official documentation
[08:28] <ikonia> within a few months you'll understand the basics
[08:28] <rick111> i have advanced programming experience ( windows application programming) but not network programming and definitely not linux
[08:28] <rick111> sounds good
[08:28] <rick111> thanks for the advice all
[08:30] <Haneul> Do you have SMB file sharing working in your local network? then seperating network using the virtual networking will help you from ransomwares. But still, that's not what you probably want for your daily computing or coding.
[08:30] <Dynetrekk> hi, has anyone managed to get win 10 pro to run reasonably fast in a VM on ubuntu? I'd like to powerpoint from the comfort of my linux
[08:32] <Haneul> Dynetrekk: in my humble opinion I would rather use wine and libreoffice.
[08:33] <ikonia> Dynetrekk: runs ok for me
[08:33] <ikonia> Dynetrekk: certainly more then well enough to use office suite
[08:37] <rick111> haneul: just did a quick duckduckgo search on virtual networking and got hit with the sudden realization that this topic is very vast. will be a daunting task to learn. might be a long time before im knowledgeable
[08:37] <rick111> guess that means the next step is find some good beginner books
[08:37] <ikonia> rick111: why are you not listening to advice
[08:37] <ikonia> rick111: you say you want to learn, yet you've just ignored the advice
[08:38] <rick111> ikonia: which advice did i ignore?
[08:38] <rick111> i will be using ubuntu every day from here out
[08:38] <rick111> just as you suggested
[08:38] <ikonia> rick111: "don't do virtual networking, it's too advanced, just use the desktop on a day to day basis"
[08:38] <ikonia> "I just did a quick google search on virtual networking"
[08:38] <ikonia> so totally ignored "don't do virtual networking"
[08:38] <rick111> ikonia: i am not actually doing virtual networking. first i have no idea how to do it. i was just reading about what it is thats all
[08:39] <rick111> can i read about it?
[08:39] <Haneul> rick111, there are some tips.
[08:40] <Haneul> google (or use duckduckgo with TOR) 'how to use virtualbox in Ubuntu'
[08:40] <Haneul> and 'how to setup virtual networking in virtualbox'
[08:40] <Haneul> that's what you really want, not asking EVERYTHING in irc.
[08:41] <rick111> haneul: something you said caught my eye. duckduckgo with TOR. doesnt duckduckgo use a proxy anyway? why with TOR?
[08:42] <rick111> haneul: I'm definitely on the search
[08:42] <oerheks> telling howto google, is missing beyond the scope of this channel
[08:43] <Haneul> duckduckgo is just a search engine that doesn't save the search history in their server and force you to accept cookies.
[08:43] <rick111> oh ok
[08:43] <rick111> because of the cookies then
[08:44] <Haneul> using TOR, proxy, and VPN is to hide the path of packets flowing.
[08:44] <Haneul> well, it doesn't really HIDE them, but
[08:44] <rick111> it encrypts them
[08:44] <Haneul> make it hard to trace you.
[08:45] <rick111> makes sense
[08:45] <Haneul> the one that encrypts is HTTPS.
[08:45] <EriC^^> fbi are 90% of tor exit nodes xD
[08:45] <Haneul> ^
[08:45] <Haneul> ^^^^
[08:47] <rick111> i heard that one draw back of tor was that it is very slow
[08:48] <EriC^^> yeah it has to jump across 4 nodes back and forth
[08:48] <EriC^^> latency is going to be a problem for sure
[08:50] <EriC^^> anyways this is offtopic guys :)
[08:50] <EriC^^> there's #ubuntu-offtopic if you want
[08:50] <rick111> eric^^: thanks
[08:51] <rick111> #ubuntu-offtopic
[08:51] <rick111> oops
[08:51] <rick111> i thought that would take me there lol
[08:52] <EriC^^> /join #ubuntu-offtopic
[08:53] <rick111> aha
[08:55] <rick111> not working
[08:55] <Haneul> https://webchat.freenode.net/
[08:55] <Haneul> in a new tap
[08:55] <oerheks> you need to register
[08:55] <Haneul> and have fun
[08:56] <oerheks> * for - offtopic, at least
[09:13] <Xatenev> how do i properly set mousespeed in terminal
[09:13] <Xatenev> i triedxinput --set-prop "Logitech USB Laser Mouse" "Device Accel Constant Deceleration" 0.5
[09:13] <Xatenev>  in some startup file
[09:13] <Xatenev> but my mouse is still really slow
[09:13] <Xatenev> how do i get it faster
[09:17] <k0ns0le> hey all
[09:17] <oerheks> Xatenev, and on what ubuntu version ?
[09:17] <Xatenev> 16.04
[09:17] <k0ns0le> is there anyone free to lend me some help? I have ubuntu 18.04 and I seem to have trouble with wifi drops ( 30 secs ) since todays upda te
[09:17] <Xatenev> oerheks, ^
[09:18] <k0ns0le> it's only happening on my home wifi, I can hotspot for a while but it just drops again ( about 30 mins on hotspot )
[09:23] <alphawarrior> Hello everyone. I just installed the aarch64 version of ubuntu onto my pi :D it boots fine and does everything good but whenever I connect my usb wifi modem tplink one it freezes the ssh session until I don't unplug it then everything works again. It's connected over wire so not wifi and dmesg does seethe device add assigned a long interface name. What could be the problem? It's a pi3B and I need the secondary wifi to
[09:23] <alphawarrior> make a wifi repeater.
[09:31] <k0ns0le> hey guys
[09:31] <k0ns0le> is there anyone here that could please help me
[09:32] <alphawarrior> what's the problem?
[09:32] <k0ns0le> my wifi keeps dropping out since latest update
[09:33] <k0ns0le> I'm currently using Ubuntu 18.04 & Intel Wireless 8265 / 8275
[09:36] <k0ns0le> I've had this issue before, It was fixed by replacing board-2.bin & firmware-6.bin in /lib/firmware/ath10k/QCA6174/hw3.0/
[09:36] <k0ns0le> however, this no longer works
[09:48] <tomreyn> k0ns0le: the latest firmware is avaulable at https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/support/articles/000005511/network-and-i-o/wireless-networking.html
[09:49] <mnuser> Hi
[09:49] <mnuser> Checking if I can type here
[09:49] <TimeDoctor> hi mnuser please ask your question
[09:50] <mnuser> I want to report a problem with an Ubuntu mirror, where do I do that?
[09:52] <Dynetrekk> ikonia: libreoffice just doesn't work with e.g. sharepoint
[09:52] <ikonia> Dynetrekk: ?
[09:52] <tomreyn> k0ns0le: ath10k is an atheros wireless chipset , while you say you have one from intel, this doesn't match up.
[09:52] <Dynetrekk> ikonia: I can't decide what to use at work... but hey, I'd gladly just write latex/markdown/... and git push it, that works too
[09:52] <ikonia> Dynetrekk: ?
[09:52] <ikonia> what are you talking to me about ?
[09:53] <Dynetrekk> ikonia: windows VM on ubuntu
[09:53] <ikonia> Dynetrekk: what about it ?
[09:53] <Dynetrekk> ikonia: you suggested libreoffice and wine instead of MS Office and windows in a VM
[09:53] <ikonia> Dynetrekk: no I didn't
[09:53] <ikonia> I've never said that
[09:53] <tomreyn> mnuser: #ubuntu-mirrors , but before you report it, would you like someone to confirm your findings?
[09:53] <Dynetrekk> ikonia: my eyes were one off
[09:54] <Dynetrekk> ikonia: in fact you said windows runs well enough for you in a VM. can I ask which virtualization and windows edition?
[09:54] <ikonia> kvm, windows 10
[09:54] <mnuser> tomreyn: Thanks. I'm pretty sure it no longer works.
[09:55] <Dynetrekk> ikonia: never used kvm, guess I'll have to try
[09:55] <Dynetrekk> virtualbox is sloow in my experience
[09:56] <tomreyn> mnuser: and it's an official mirror server? is it marked as being behind on the mirrors lists?
[09:57] <tomreyn> mnuser: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+archivemirrors - i assume you found this already.
[09:57] <mnuser> tomreyn: ah no no, it's just a country mirror. It was broken since ages ago. Still not fixed, so wanted to report it.
[09:58] <tomreyn> mnuser: this list includes country mirrors, if this refers to CC.archive.ubuntu.com where CC is the country code.
[10:02] <mnuser> tomreyn: The broken mirror is both on cdmirror and archivemirror
[10:04] <oerheks> switch mirror to main, if the problem persists, show us your ubuntu version/update output in a pastebin
[10:06] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[10:07] <TimeDoctor> hi BluesKaj please ask your question
[10:08] <tomreyn> mnuser: there's a link to cdmirrors on the archive mirrors page. top right. i don't think i can help more unless oyu'll discuss the actualy mirror server which you seem to be trying to prevent.
[10:09] <BluesKaj> TimeDoctor:  , i have no question atm, but i am here to help if I can :-)
[10:09] <TimeDoctor> BluesKaj: always need more of that :)
[10:09] <mnuser> tomreyn: Thanks. I sent a request to the mirrors email list. Hopefully it'll be handled soon enough.
[10:13] <oerheks> mnuser, show us your ubuntu version/update output in a pastebin?
[10:14] <oerheks> often hashsum mismatches occur when the mirror gets updated, solution: try again in a minute
[10:16] <XXCoder> heys
[10:16] <rud0lf> is installed, runnable package in linux also called an application, like in windows?
[10:17] <mnuser> oerheks, I was just downloading a new ISO
[10:17] <ppf> rud0lf: no not really
[10:17] <rud0lf> a program, then?
[10:17] <ppf> no
[10:17] <ppf> a package _contains_ programs/applications
[10:17] <ppf> well, amy contain
[10:17] <ppf> *may
[10:18] <rud0lf> yeah i was being vague
[10:18] <rud0lf> i mean the launchable content
[10:18] <ppf> a program is a program
[10:18] <rud0lf> :D
[10:18] <ppf> programs can be distributed in packages
[10:18] <rud0lf> okay
[10:20] <tomreyn> mnuser: looks like your e-mail went into the moderation queue. this will happen if you don't subscribe with the same address beforehand.
[10:20] <tomreyn> (you can subscribe and disable mail delivery)
[10:25] <k0ns0le> hey guys, how do i Uninstall drivers in terminal? I'm new to Ubuntu and would appreciate some help
[10:25] <tomreyn> rud0lf: i'd refer to tools for specific, common, tasks as applications. such as a text editor, a word processor, a vector graphics editor etc.
[10:26] <rud0lf> i see
[10:26] <rud0lf> i just never gave it a thought and i'd like to refer to it properly in the future
[10:27] <mnuser> tomreyn: oh. they're probably gonna read it at some point though right
[10:27] <mnuser> do I need to sub if I want to read the replies?
[10:27] <k0ns0le> hey tomreyn, I'm sorry I missed your message before. I got Dc'd
[10:27] <k0ns0le> my wifi keeps dropping since the last update, any help would be appreciated
[10:28] <k0ns0le> 07:00.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation Wireless 8265 / 8275 (rev 78)
[10:29] <oerheks> k0ns0le, on what ubuntu version/kernel??
[10:29] <tomreyn> rud0lf: i'm not sure whether there is a well defined nomenclature for this. ubuntu used to have an online app directory, and kind of has one again, now at https://snapcraft.io/store
[10:29] <oerheks> AC 8265 is a recent adapter, supported since Linux Kernel version 4.6 ..
[10:30] <k0ns0le> ubuntu 18.4, 4.15.0-23-generic
[10:30] <rud0lf> oo
[10:30] <rud0lf> didn't know such page for snaps exists
[10:31] <tomreyn> mnuser: often people on mailing lists will just respond to the list, but it's a matter of the list confguration. it's probably a giid idea to subscribe and not disable mail delivery if you want to catch any replies.
[10:33] <k0ns0le> I've tried a lot of different things, this has happened in the past but I just used to choose a different kernel through grub and it just worked. But since the last update I can't do that
 k0ns0le: ath10k is an atheros wireless chipset , while you say you have one from intel, this doesn't match up.
 k0ns0le: the latest firmware is avaulable at https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/support/articles/000005511/network-and-i-o/wireless-networking.html
[10:34] <ne2k> I have a headless server. I'd like to run spotify with spotcommander, pulseaudio and snapcast on it, but I don't want to install all the GUI and pulse crap on the server itself, so i was thinking of using an lxc container and running spotify under vnc4server. I need dbus and stuff like that for spotcommander to work, but I'd rather not install the whole desktop
[10:34] <ne2k> what would be the minimum set of packages to install to get pulse and dbus to work in a container, and do I need to tweak pulse to make it work?
[10:36] <k0ns0le> tomreyn, I have checked and I already have the latest firmware in /lib/firmware
[10:36] <tomreyn> k0ns0le: the latest 8265 firmware blob is shad256sum 8cc2b7edd5e2741684a71342127809c50d57ab87666b67a637fe7e7d3c0ad7f7 while this 16.04 system i have here has 3bb830694ae4334559f601eaa1ca37096c655c7dbbdef7c68cfb47af8c9364a7  /lib/firmware/iwlwifi-8265-22.ucode, so the one from intel's firmware page is probably newer than the one availabel on 16.04 at least, have not checked 18.04.
[10:38] <tomreyn> k0ns0le: so if your /lib/firmware/iwlwifi-8265-22.ucode already is 8cc2b7edd5e2741684a71342127809c50d57ab87666b67a637fe7e7d3c0ad7f7, thrn i'd suggest you check "dmesg -T" for and error messages related to the wireless, and search the web for hints on what to try.
[10:38] <tomreyn> ..quoting any error messages / warnings you may find there
[10:41] <k0ns0le> I'm not getting any error messages :/ not associated with iwlwifi either way
[10:42] <k0ns0le> I see multiple versions of the firmware in /lib/firmware
[10:42] <k0ns0le> latest being iwlwifi-8265-36 accessed today.
[10:44] <tomreyn> which one got loaded will be in dmesg, too, or in syslog
[10:46] <k0ns0le> found it 8265-34 did, how do I force it to load to a previous one
[10:48] <tomreyn> what's the output of: lspci -nns 07:00.0
[10:48] <dean> i'm having a real issue with my bios/uefi settings
[10:48] <k0ns0le> 07:00.0 Network controller [0280]: Intel Corporation Wireless 8265 / 8275 [8086:24fd] (rev 78)
[10:49] <tomreyn> k0ns0le: i'm not actually sure how firmware loading works and how it is determined which one is loaded.
[10:49] <dean> i can't boot into ubuntu anymore, and boot-repair isn't working for me
[10:49] <k0ns0le> I understand, thank you
[10:49] <k0ns0le> i've searched the internet for hours. I just want to watch the world cup
[10:50] <dean> i think my boot file system is corrupted
[10:50] <dean> cause i'm getting kernel panic when i try to boot
[10:51] <tomreyn> k0ns0le: use a wire?
[10:51] <dean> and i can't seem to be able to access my uefi settings anymore
[10:51] <dean> they simply aren't there
[10:52] <dean> so boot-repair won't work because i'm using legacy mode
[10:52] <k0ns0le> tomreyn, i wish i could :(
[10:52] <oerheks> dean, what ubuntu version?
[10:52] <dean> i'm actually using xubuntu
[10:52] <oerheks> there was a bug that corrupted the bios ..
[10:52] <dean> but it's 18.04
[10:53] <oerheks> hmm, no, not in 18.04
[10:53] <tomreyn> k0ns0le: did you verify the sha256sum of /lib/firmware/iwlwifi-8265-22.ucode matches the one from the intel firmware download page? you didnt explicitly say so, so i'm checking
[10:53] <dean> i really don't understand why my options in bios seem to change
[10:53] <k0ns0le> yes i did
[10:53] <dean> i used to have more options
[10:54] <oerheks> dean, is this a dual boot, windows 10?
[10:54] <dean> windows 10 on one ssd
[10:54] <oerheks> did you enable fastboot again?
[10:54] <dean> and xubuntu on another ssd
[10:54] <dean> i don't have fastboot enabled
[10:54] <k0ns0le> if i hotspot my mobile phone it works 100% if I connect to my wifi network it breaks. Checked windows pc and it works fine, brothers ubuntu machine works perfectly fine
[10:54] <k0ns0le> it's just me
[10:55] <dean> i made sure my dvd drive was set to uefi when i installed xubuntu
[10:55] <dean> but now i can't get that option back
[10:56] <dean> it's only showing it as ahci
[10:56] <draget> I have installed a server system (18.04) and during boot, it shows some cloudinit output. I cannot reacall choosing cloud-init. Nevertheless, is it safe to just 'apt purge cloud-init'?
[10:57] <dean> i tried turning off csm, but that didn't help
[10:57] <dean> i tried clearing my cmos, and that didn't help
[10:57] <dean> it gave me back the boot loaders as options, but i still can't access uefi
[10:57] <dean> plus now xubuntu won't boot anyway because of the kernel panic
[10:58] <dorky> I have an Ubuntu usb and I want to install it on a partition. My Win 10 is on one partition and i have the other partition called "linux".
[10:58] <dean> i think that's caused by a corrupted boot partition
[10:58] <dean> i guess i could delete that?
[10:58] <dean> it just seems a bit scary
[10:58] <dorky> I can view the file after negotiating 'F12' but it won't install. What do I do?
[10:59] <mancman3> why did u mess with bios after ur installations. specifically the uefi and csm etc
[11:00] <dean> because i had to go into bios to change whether to boot into windows or xubuntu
[11:00] <dean> the boot loader was messed from the beginning
[11:00] <mancman3> but that's just boot order.
[11:00] <dean> i had to change the boot order to run either windows or xubuntu
[11:00] <dean> that's lame
[11:01] <dean> who does that?
[11:01] <dean> that's what a boot loader is for
[11:01] <mancman3> I would turn uefi on, download boot-repair and run it from live usb/cd and select recommended
[11:01] <dean> i can't turn on uefi
[11:01] <dean> i don't know how, everything i try, doesn't work
[11:01] <dean> and i'm not a boot expert, but i've tried way too many things already
[11:01] <dean> with worse results
[11:02] <mancman3> then u have no uefi drives/OSes installed
[11:02] <dean> like i said
[11:02] <blackflow> dorky: what file?
[11:02] <dean> i tried reseting my cmos
[11:02] <dean> didn't do anything
[11:02] <dean> besides give me access to a bootloader with a linux with a broken boot partition
[11:02] <dorky> Is there anyone in Sydney who can come here (or me to them) and get me started. I am a stroke victim and old and I could use all the help I can get. My email is peter@dorky.cc.
[11:03] <dean> so i can boot into windows
[11:03] <dean> but i can't access uefi, or ubuntu anymore
[11:03] <mancman3> dorky: bt silly to post ur email
[11:03] <mancman3> bit*
[11:04] <dean> besides boot-repair won't work cause i can't get into uefi
[11:04] <jcdutton> dean, did you install ubuntu from CD ?
[11:04] <dean> is there some way for me to access uefi?
[11:04] <dean> yes
[11:04] <jcdutton> dean, how long ago did you create the CD?
[11:04] <EriC^^> dean: what do you have in your bios?
[11:04] <EriC^^> there should be a "uefi: enable/disable" option or "csm legacy: enable/disable" .. what do you have?
[11:04] <dean> i'm using an asrock z77 extreme4
[11:05] <dean> i don't have those options
[11:05] <jcdutton> dean, the very first ubnutu 18 CD images could cause problems with the BIOS.
[11:05] <dean> hidden in the ahci part of advanced, there is csm
[11:05] <tomreyn> k0ns0le: fwih, your kerlenl image is outdated. bionic (18.04) is at 4.15.0.23.25 (via -security, there is also 4.15.0.24.26 in -proposed)
[11:06] <dean> but i just installed it like a week or so ago
[11:06] <dean> so it's 18.04
[11:06] <dean> are those affected?
[11:06] <EriC^^> disabling it should put it in uefi mode
[11:06] <EriC^^> ahci part hmm
[11:06] <EriC^^> nvrmnd
[11:06] <tomreyn> k0ns0le: you could also try mainline
[11:06] <tomreyn> !mainline | k0ns0le
[11:06] <dean> when i disable that it doesn't do anything
[11:06] <dean> and most of the time it just goes back to the original setting
[11:06] <jcdutton> dean, no 18.04 is fine, 17.10 had the bios bug, so you should be fine
[11:06] <mancman3> dean disable CSM and save and exit
[11:07] <dean> i've tried
[11:07] <mancman3> then go back into bios and u should have eufi there
[11:07] <dean> i will try one more time, but i've been at this a long time
[11:07] <ceibal> hola
[11:07] <dean> i'm not a quitter, and so i'm basically a mass redundancy
[11:07] <dean> haha
[11:07] <EriC^^> dean: can you boot a live usb? i can help you get it fixed if you can
[11:07] <mancman3> Your here asking for help. We are just helping lol
[11:08] <dean> i have a live boot-repair install on a usb
[11:08] <dean> @mancman3 i know, sorry, just frustrated
[11:08] <EriC^^> dean: does it have a terminal you can access?
[11:08] <mancman3> :)
[11:08] <dean> yes
[11:08] <EriC^^> ok boot it and let me know when you're there
[11:08] <dean> i sudo su'd the crap out of it ;)
[11:09] <dean> okay, i'll have to boot it up and get online on that install
[11:09] <dean> be back in like 10 mins
[11:09] <EriC^^> k
 it works now :/
[11:12] <tomreyn> Konsolev2: what changed?
[11:12] <Konsolev2> i just reinstalled the firmware again and i reboot
[11:14] <oerheks> nice find
[11:14] <tomreyn> that's non deterministic. unless you had not rebooted after updating the firmware last time.
[11:14] <Konsolev2> i know, i had
[11:15] <EriC^^> !ping
[11:15] <blackflow> EriC^^: why you often ping the bot? I'm curious...
[11:16] <EriC^^> blackflow: my internet goes down a lot
[11:16] <blackflow> I see. some sort of keepalive check.
[11:16] <EriC^^> yeah if it doesnt respond i just reconnect
[11:16] <Konsolev2> i also did a $ sudo apt-get upgrade
[11:17] <tomreyn> Konsolev2: okay, so maybe you got the newer kernel image and it fixed things.
[11:17] <Konsolev2> possiblyu
[11:17] <Konsolev2> thank you for your help, it is much appreciated
[11:18] <tomreyn> welcome, i just hope it'll keep working ;)
[11:18] <Konsolev2> so do i, I ditched windows for ubuntu completely. mostly to prove a point and it's a learning curve
[11:19] <tomreyn> EriC^^: a remote znc (or irssi in a tmux / byobu / screen) to the rescue!
[11:27] <dean> sorry it took this long
[11:28] <kan> In https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases, it mentioned that End of Life date  is Aoril 2021 for Ubuntu 16.04.2 LTS, Ubuntu 16.04.3 LTS, Ubuntu 16.04.4 LTS , but these are all HWE kernels with maximum 6months support from release date , right?
[11:28] <EriC^^> no worries
[11:28] <dean> so i'm on the live usb of boot-repair
[11:28] <dean> distro
[11:29] <EriC^^> dean: type "sudo efibootmgr -v | nc termbin.com 9999" and paste the link it gives you here
[11:29] <effortDee> someone say 'disco'
[11:29]  * effortDee dances
[11:29] <dean> one thing that occurred to me is that most of my devices might not be showing up in bios since i cleared the cmos
[11:29] <guiverc_d> kan, yes the HWE kernel of 16.04 became 16.10's kernel, then 17.04's, then 17.10 and becomes 18.04 & remains there for the remaining 3 years of support - how it works I believe...
[11:31] <dean> efi variables not supported on this system
[11:31] <dean> probably running in "legacy mode"
[11:31] <tomreyn> kan: so the EoL date provided on the 'current' table for those 16.04 minor releases refers to user space as well as the GA kernel.
[11:31] <EriC^^> dean: yup
[11:32] <dean> it's kept saying that, but i don't know how to get out of it
[11:32] <EriC^^> dean: anyways, try 'sudo parted -ls | nc termbin.com 9999"
[11:32] <guiverc_d> kan, refer https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/LTSEnablementStack  (16.04.x Ubuntu Kernel Support)
[11:32] <EriC^^> dean: most pc's have a one time boot menu where you can select "usb or usb uefi etc"
[11:32] <EriC^^> usually f9+ key
[11:33] <dean> okay
[11:33] <dean> i mean, i didn't see that part, but i didn't know the f9 key thing
[11:34] <dean> did i type that incorrectly?
[11:35] <EriC^^> type it without quotes
[11:35] <EriC^^> is this an ubuntu only system or do you have windows installed too?
[11:36] <kan> guiverc_d : tomreyn : We developed few out-of-tree linux kernel modules and currently testing with GA kernel. We want to evolve our out-of-tree drivers for supporting new kernel versions, is it possible with GA kernel setup?
[11:36] <dean> i have windows on one ssd
[11:36] <dean> and linux on another
[11:36] <dean> plus two hdd's
[11:36] <kan> guiverc_d : tomreyn : Basically i’m looking for ubuntu disto with N years of  security support\updates along with supporting our out-of-tree module for new kernel versions. What would be the best strategy?
[11:37] <dean> when i first installed xubuntu this time, i tried installing it on the windows drive
[11:37] <dean> which is what i gather may have messed this whole thing up
[11:37] <dean> i guess it was the one thing i didn't look up
[11:37] <dean> that would be ssda
[11:37] <dean> xubuntu is on ssdd
[11:38] <EriC^^> dean: can you share the termbin link?
[11:38] <dean> whoops, sorry
[11:38] <dean> http://termbin.com/g8lp
[11:38] <dean> never used termbin
[11:40] <EriC^^> dean: when you boot the pc right now, what do you get?
[11:40] <tomreyn> kan: GA kernels are supported during the entire lifespan of an LTS release, so 5 years. it would be good to support all LTS GA kernels, or those or the latest two LTE releases. depending on the hardware you're developing for (especially if it targets desktop users) you should also consider supporting the latest HWE kernels of the latest two LTS releases.
[11:40] <EriC^^> dean: i have a feeling you installed xubuntu in legacy mode
[11:41] <dean> gah
[11:41] <tomreyn> tomreyn: this is my personal point of view, not anything backed up by canonical who could probably provide a better suggestion if you are going to partner with them.
[11:41] <dean> i tried confirming which type windows is installed under
[11:41] <dean> but the variable wasn't in use in the registry
[11:41] <EriC^^> dean: windows is installed in uefi mode for sure
[11:42] <dean> i figured, cause of gpt
[11:42] <EriC^^> dean: which of the partitions is the root one? "/" the 20gb one?
[11:42] <EriC^^> correct
[11:42] <dean> 1gb
[11:42] <dean> oh sorry
[11:42] <dean> no
[11:42] <dean> root is 20gb
[11:42] <dean> boot is 1gb
[11:42] <EriC^^> ok, type sudo mount /dev/sda5 /mnt
[11:43] <EriC^^> then type "grep efi /mnt/etc/fstab" and tell me if it returns anything
[11:44] <dean> the first one gives me an error basically saying it's already in use
[11:44] <open_ship_in_the> what are you trying to solve?
[11:44] <EriC^^> dean: type "mount | grep sda5 | nc termbin.com 9999"
[11:45] <EriC^^> dean: sorry typo, i meant, sudo mount /dev/sdd5 /mnt
[11:45] <dean> http://termbin.com/klhl
[11:45] <dean> oh, one sec
[11:46] <dean> http://termbin.com/tcs2
[11:46] <kan> tomreyn: Ok, during entire lifespan of GA kernel, I might be using initial or first point release kernel version, right? But i want to evolve the out-of-tree drivers for new kernel versions, how to achieve this?
[11:47] <EriC^^> dean: grep efi /mnt/boot-sav/sdd5/etc/fstab
[11:47] <tomreyn> kan: which new kernel versions? mainline? or HWE's?
[11:48] <dean> no such file or dicrectory
[11:48] <dean> directory*
[11:48] <EriC^^> dean: what about 'ls /mnt/boot-sav/sdd5' ?
[11:49] <tomreyn> kan: and yes, during the entire lifespan of a GA kernel, you can use the initial or first point release kernel version. you still need to install user space and kernel security patches on a regular basis, of course.
[11:49] <kan> tomreyn: both
[11:49] <dean> still no such file or directory
[11:50] <tomreyn> kan: you can install multiple kernel versions in parallel, and boot into them as needed, selecting the kernel of choice from the grub menu.
[11:50] <EriC^^> dean: are you sure there's no typo?
[11:51] <EriC^^> dean: what's in "ls /mnt/boot-sav" ?
[11:51] <dean> what directory should i be in
[11:51] <dean> going from root
[11:52] <dean> right now i'm at root@lubuntu
[11:52] <kan> tomreyn: If i boot to newly compiled version, does security fixes still availble for that box?
[11:52] <tomreyn> kan: i.e. you can have both the GA kernel image, the latest HWE kernel and mainline kernel images installed side by side. the same goes for kernel headers, so you can build against these kernels once they're running. if you have sufficient computing resources available you'd probably setup multiple systems (VMs) which will boot into the different kernel versions and use these VMS as build slaves of a CI system.
[11:52] <fub> Hi. Always when updating, when installing kernel headers my apt hangs.. Setting up linux-headers-4.15.0-23-generic (4.15.0-23.25) ...
[11:52] <fub> what can I do to solve this? running ubuntu 18.04 here
[11:53] <dean> because from there, that's what i'm getting
[11:53] <EriC^^> dean: type "ls /mnt/boot-sav | nc termbin.com 9999"
[11:53] <dean> root@lubuntu:~# ls /mnt/boot-sav | nc termbin.com 9999
[11:53] <dean> ls: cannot access '/mnt/boot-sav': No such file or directory
[11:53] <tomreyn> kan: security patches are available for the packages in ubuntu, not for your custom OOT kernel modules or custom kernels if you are planning on building those, too.
[11:54] <EriC^^> dean: doesn't matter which dir you're in
[11:54] <EriC^^> dean: what does "lsblk | nc termbin.com 9999" give?
[11:54] <tomreyn> kan: but kernel header packages get security patches, too, so if you'll keep those current your OOT kernel module builds will effectively receive security updates
[11:54] <EriC^^> dean: that's odd, the mount commands shows sdd5 mounted there
[11:55] <dean> http://termbin.com/wbqz
[11:55] <dean> same thing unfortunately
[11:55] <EriC^^> dean: oh ok, makes sense now
[11:55] <tomreyn> kan: we can also talk in #ubuntu-kernel if you're looking for a better suited audience and less 'noise'.
[11:55] <EriC^^> sdd5 is mounted at /mnt and the rest are covered by that mount
[11:56] <EriC^^> dean: type 'grep efi /mnt/etc/fstab' and see what it gives you
[11:56] <dean> UUID=FE21-A01A	/boot/efi	vfat	defaults	0	1
[11:57] <kan> tomreyn: Thanks for your support, i think i've lot of info to read, sure i'll join #ubuntu-kernel too.
[11:57] <EriC^^> dean: great, looks like it's installed in uefi mode
[11:57] <EriC^^> dean: what does 'sudo blkid /dev/sda1' give? same UUID ?
[11:57] <EriC^^> dean: typo, /dev/sda2
[11:58] <dean> UUID="FE21-A01A" TYPE="vfat" PARTLABEL="EFI system partition" PARTUUID="4c497bc7-1225-4a50-ab8d-0191c0b189fd"
[11:59] <EriC^^> dean: ok, type sudo umount /dev/sdd5
[11:59] <Numline1_> Heyo guys. I was wondering - does the Ubuntu 18.04 live installer have sw raid support?
[11:59] <dean> looks like it worked
[11:59] <EriC^^> dean: then "ls -lR /mnt/boot-sav/sda2 | nc termbin.com 9999"
[11:59] <Numline1_> I'm trying to partitioning my new system drives and I just can't find it
[11:59] <Numline1_> *to partition
[12:00] <dean> http://termbin.com/p586
[12:00] <Numline1_> Okay, just found it on google. The new installer doesn't support raid and fancy stuff
[12:01] <tomreyn> kan: take a look at this, too, if you'd prefer to work with git + a single VM: https://github.com/kd8bny/LiMEaide/wiki/Building-Out-of-Tree-Modules
[12:02] <dean> seems like quite a few logs haha
[12:03] <EriC^^> dean: yeah there's a plot twist, boot-repair seems to have editted fstab and done some converting on its own
[12:05] <EriC^^> dean: try grep efi /mnt/boot-sav/sda2/boot-repair/log/20180612_114121/sdd5/etc_fstab_old
[12:06] <EriC^^> dean: btw what happens when you turn the pc on usually?
[12:06] <dean> exact same as before with those codes
[12:07] <dean> well, if i try to use grub which is labelled as ubuntu, then the kernel "freaks out" i forget the term
[12:07] <dean> but i can access windows through it
[12:07] <dean> or i can just put windows as the first option in the bios, and it will boot directly into windows
[12:08] <dean> other than that, right now, there aren't any other bootable options
[12:08] <dean> in bios
[12:08] <dean> but i did reset my cmos earlier tonight
[12:08] <dean> oh, kernel panic
[12:08] <EriC^^> so... it actually boots
[12:09] <dean> yeah, but i can't boot into ubuntu, or xubuntu in my case
[12:09] <dean> because of the kernel panic
[12:09] <dean> so now i'm down to booting into windows
[12:10] <dean> which is fine, except that i wanted to install this to try out virtual machines and sel4
[12:10] <EriC^^> that's nothing to do with the bios booting uefi etc
[12:10] <dean> so i have two problems then, i guesss
[12:11] <dean> what would you recommend?
[12:11] <EriC^^> no, just 1
[12:11] <EriC^^> what does the kernel panic mention?
[12:11] <dean> i forget because i don't know what it really means
[12:11] <EriC^^> try a newer or older kernel, see what the message is and go from there
[12:12] <dean> but i know that it's accessing near the front of the disc
[12:12] <dean> because the number was small
[12:12] <EriC^^> dean: type "sudo umount /dev/sdd*"
[12:12] <dean> so i figured it was my boot drive
[12:12] <EriC^^> k, we'll try to install the latest kernel and see how that goes
[12:13] <dean> sdd, sdd2, sdd8 are all not mounted
[12:13] <EriC^^> in grub advanced options lets you choose a different kernel
[12:13] <EriC^^> dean: ok, sudo mount /dev/sdd5 /cdrom
[12:13] <tomreyn> Numline1_: right, you need to use the classic installer for anything other than a basic installation.
[12:13] <EriC^^> "for i in /dev /dev/pts /proc /sys /run; do sudo mount -B $i /cdrom$i; done"
[12:13] <Numline1_> tomreyn yup, already working on it, thanks :) I liked the new UI though
[12:13] <EriC^^> dean: then sudo chroot /cdrom    , then type "mount -a"
[12:13] <Numline1_> Now I'm just trying to set up "bootable" flag in the old installer, which still defaults to "off"
[12:14] <Numline1_> but that's probably not even needed
[12:14] <tomreyn> Numline1_: me, too, maybe it'll be useful in one of the next releases.
[12:15] <tomreyn> Numline1_: i think the boot flag is only required by other boot managers, not grub.
[12:15] <dean> @EriC okay
[12:15] <Numline1_> tomreyn yeah fair enough, I was following a guide help.ubuntu.com but I think it'll work without it as well :] cheers
[12:16] <alphawarrior> Why does my ubuntu (18.04, on rpi3, arm64) freeze when I plug in my tl-wn722n and try to use ip a?
[12:16] <EriC^^> Numline1_: some bios are picky and wont boot the mbr if there's no boot flag
[12:17] <Numline1_> EriC^^ yeah that's what I've read, but fingers crossed, mine won't be one of them. I ran this exact setup before, I just swapped system drives since one of the old HDDs died, so I'm just setting up new SSDs
[12:17] <Numline1_> Doing this fancy Dockerized NAS project, kinda fun
[12:19] <tomreyn> alphawarrior: what's the output of "cat /var/log/installer/media-info"?
[12:21] <dean> EriC^^ i don't mean to be rude, but i'm exhausted, and it's past 5am
[12:22] <dean> i can stay up a teeny bit longer maybe
[12:22] <dean> i'm just not sure how long this might take
[12:24] <Numline1_> exhausted linux administrator
[12:24] <Numline1_> kids these days...
[12:24] <Numline1_> (kidding)
[12:24] <dean> hahaa
[12:24] <alphawarrior> tomreyn: "cat: /var/log/installer/media-info: No such file or directory" is the output
[12:24] <dean> i'm trying to be something like that eventually
[12:24] <dean> i've got the exhausted part down pat
[12:25] <tomreyn> alphawarrior: how did you install?
[12:26] <alphawarrior> I followed the procedure described at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/RaspberryPi#Booting_generic_arm64_ISO_images then I used the grub console for the first boot then created grub's config.
[12:29] <tomreyn> alphawarrior: sorry, on the phone, bbs
[12:40] <tomreyn> alphawarrior: there are three different hardware models for the "tl-wn722n", can you show the "lsusb" output line for it?
[12:41] <alphawarrior> well I can try hope it won't froze
[12:44] <gdev> how to connect with developer
[12:45] <alphawarrior> Qualcomm Atheros Communications AR9271 802.11n
[12:47] <alphawarrior> that's from my gentoo latop becuase sadly I don't have enough usb to plug in the modem and the keyboard at the same time :D
[12:49] <tomreyn> alphawarrior: it should have returned some nnnn:nnnn ID, where those n's were either digits or characters a to f
[12:49] <alphawarrior> oh XD
[12:49] <alphawarrior> one second
[12:49] <alphawarrior> 0cf3:9271
[12:51] <alphawarrior> is that it? tomreyn
[12:53] <tomreyn> alphawarrior: it is. the driver is ath9k_htc. now take a look at dmesg, or pastebinit, and look for errors referring to it.
[12:53] <tomreyn> alphawarrior: does the entire system freeze when you plug it in then?
[12:54] <alphawarrior> well it freezes when I want to use "ip a"
[12:54] <alphawarrior> then everyhting that's network connected stops
[12:54] <tomreyn> and it remains frozen until reboot, or does it oiny freeze temporarily?
[12:54] <alphawarrior> and when I unplug it comes back
[12:54] <tomreyn> okay so it's not a complete freeze
[12:54] <oerheks> maybe you need the linux-firmware package with the firmware-atheros
[12:55] <tomreyn> so trigger another freeze and inspect dmesg
[12:55] <tomreyn> or skip trying to determine the root issue and follow oerheks advice
[12:56] <oerheks> i seen this before, atheros plugging into rpi, and blocking the system, not really blocking but spawning dmesg ?
[12:57] <tomreyn> "spawning dmesg"?
[12:57] <tomreyn> you mean spill?
[12:58] <alphawarrior> hmm interesting
[12:58] <alphawarrior> now it came back on it's own :D
[12:59] <alphawarrior> http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/Ndj2dwPttS/
[12:59] <alphawarrior>  dmesg
[13:00] <ANAND> Hello everyone! I've just recently installed Ubuntu 18.04 in place of Windows, and my Wifi adapter is giving me quite some trouble.
[13:00] <ANAND> It worked perfectly on Windows after its driver was installed, but there are no drivers provided for Linux.
[13:00] <ANAND> It does work, but the speeds are cringe-worthy
[13:01] <oerheks> .. so there are drivers, ANAND
[13:01] <ANAND> Yes, but only for Windows
[13:01] <ANAND> Oh btw, it's a TP-LINK TL-WN822N
[13:02] <ANAND> https://www.tp-link.com/us/products/details/cat-5520_TL-WN822N.html
[13:02] <ANAND> EU, v5
[13:03] <dadabidet> I just installed g++ 6, how do invoke it on ubuntu?
[13:04] <tomreyn> !who | alphawarrior
[13:04] <guiverc_d> dadabidet, `g++ --help` for info  (you type g++ on command line)
[13:05] <dadabidet> guiverc_d, I alrady have g++5, I installed g++6, I want to invoke g++6, "g++" still invokes g++ 5
[13:05] <guiverc_d> how did you install it?  (and where?)
[13:06] <dadabidet> apt install g++6
[13:06] <tomreyn> alphawarrior: where it says "------------[ cut here ]------------" in dmesg or your system / kernel logs, it ponts out a critical error occurred, one you should try to diagnose and fix or work around, if a stable system is deriable. those are called "kernel oopses".
[13:07] <imi> hi. I have a pointer bug in my up to date ubuntu bionic: the pointer is displayed upside down, moves rotated, but the clicks go to the place where it should if the pointer weren't rotated at all. is this a known bug? is there a workaround?
[13:08] <Peyam> hi. does anyone know how to set up "install" a printer?
[13:08] <tomreyn> alphawarrior: the first kernel oops occurred 35s after boot, and, like some or all (not sure, yet) of the following ones, is about a graphics driver issue. "drm" is the "direct (graphics) rendering manager".
[13:09] <tomreyn> alphawarrior: so there's some issue with your graphics srivers. and you're using a release candidate bios version, this may not provide stability either.
[13:10] <guiverc_d> try g++-6 dadabidet (i did a `apt-file show g++-6` & it indicated /usr/bin/g++-6...)
[13:10] <alphawarrior> tomreyn: graphics doesn't really matter it's running headless with hdmi attached so ican see when it boots and sometimes for cli access. Well I might need the VC4 drivers sooner or later thouth then. Also it worked once now I unplugged and back to see now there is an error :D
[13:10] <tomreyn> alphawarrior: so these are issues you should look into. but it's not, or not directly, related to the wireless issue.
[13:11] <alphawarrior> tomreyn: https://pastebin.com/Pgzcr3Zm something is being blocked also ip a freezes things again
[13:12] <oerheks> pretty good wiki, Peyam https://help.ubuntu.com/stable/ubuntu-help/printing-setup.html.en
[13:12] <yzn> ？
[13:12] <tomreyn> alphawarrior: whether or not you depend on grpahics output, failing and oopsing kernel modules should be handled if you want stability.
[13:12] <dadabidet> guiverc_d, I tried it returned nothing
[13:13] <yzn> http://worldcup.cctv.com/2018/match/13245922/index.shtml
[13:14] <dadabidet> guiverc_d, it seems g++6 is no available as a package, I don't know hat is installed
[13:14] <ANAND> yzn: That seems to be off-topic for this channel
[13:14] <onetime> hi all, may i ask how to change mtu in bionic?
[13:15] <imi> I have a pointer bug in my up to date ubuntu bionic: the pointer is displayed upside down, moves rotated, but the clicks go to the place where it should if the pointer weren't rotated at all. is this a known bug? is there a workaround?
[13:16] <ANAND> imi: Have you installed the mouse drivers if any?
[13:16] <alphawarrior> tomreyn: i forgot to install drivers for VC4 let me install and see if the modem's fails changed or not
[13:16] <Ool> onetime: if you use network-manager , you can do it into the network-parameters
[13:16] <Ool> into the second tab 'identity'
[13:16] <figarozzo`> hi!
[13:16] <onetime> Ool: its only for the wired connections
[13:17] <onetime> Ool: do u have something for wifi?
[13:17] <figarozzo`> I wrote a software for ubuntu would it be possible to insert it in the store?
[13:17] <ANAND> Ubuntu has a "Store"? o.O
[13:17] <oerheks> figarozzo`, you can publish on launchpad, or as snap
[13:17] <imi> ANAND: plain USB mouse, before upgrading to bionic it wasn't neccessary to install any specific drivers.
[13:17] <yzn> 中文？
[13:18] <oerheks> snaps ara available for 18.04 in softwarecenter
[13:18] <guiverc_d> dadabidet, looking/testing... 'apt install g++6' is wrong as + and - have meaning... try `sudo apt install 'g++-6'`
[13:18] <Sven_vB> I'm looking for a tool that displays my screenshot, then observes pointer device actions I perform on that screenshot and reports them on stdout. any ideas?
[13:18] <ANAND> imi, have you tried reloading the usb driver(s)?
[13:18] <tomreyn> alphawarrior: the output you posted last does not provide information on what exactly went wrong, it basically just states that a freeze was detected. your wireless chipset driver ath9k_htc is currently using firmware htc_9271-1.4.0.fw, size: 51008. i suggest you check whether a newer one is avsailable, and use this (in the end it needs to be in /lib/firmware independently of how you'll install it)
[13:19] <dadabidet> guiverc_d, done, I added a missing repo
[13:19] <guiverc_d> dadabidet, `g++-6 --version` now i installed it gives me "g++-6 (Ubuntu 6.4.0-17ubuntu1) 6.4.0 20180424" (i'm on 18.04)
[13:19] <imi> ANAND: no
[13:19] <onetime> @all ,is it possible to resume apt get install automatically after connection time out
[13:19] <Sven_vB> alternatively, I'd like a tool that spies on a window (or program via LD_PRELOAD), intercepts and reports pointer device actions for that window/program.
[13:19] <tomreyn> !cn | yzn
[13:19] <alphawarrior> tomreyn: where can I find these firmwares? linux-firmware is already the latest on bionic
[13:20] <dadabidet> thanks!
[13:20] <Richard_Cavell> Hi. I'm on Ubuntu 16.04.  I sometimes use the "locate" command, which relies on updatedb. How do I find out how often and when updatedb is run?  I don't understand cron.
[13:20] <ANAND> imi, "sudo rmmod usbhid; sudo modprobe usbhid" (without quotes)
[13:22] <imi> ANAND: had no effect, I still have the issue
[13:22] <ANAND> strange
[13:26] <yzn> http://worldcup.cctv.com/2018/match/13245922/index.shtml
[13:26] <tomreyn> !ot | yzn
[13:28] <tomreyn> alphawarrior: it's open source, can be built by yourself. this provides newer drivers (i assume it also provides up to date firmware): https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/kvalo/ath.git/
[13:29] <onetime> @all is unity desktop environment not available anymore?
[13:30] <tomreyn> alphawarrior: the original firmware (source code) repository is here: https://github.com/qca/open-ath9k-htc-firmware
[13:31] <tomreyn> onetime: it is no longer developed by canonical. there's a community effort trying to keep it alive.
[13:31] <ANAND> https://github.com/Mange/rtl8192eu-linux-driver
[13:31] <ANAND> oerheks: I built and installed this driver, following the instructions in README.md
[13:32] <onetime> tomreyn:  tnx
[13:33] <onetime> @all is there a gui version of apt get?
[13:33] <ANAND> onetime: synaptic
[13:33] <alphawarrior> tomreyn: so which one should I build?
[13:34] <onetime> ANAND: aside fr synaptic?
[13:34] <ANAND> I don't get you, sorry
[13:35] <onetime> ANAND: aside fr synaptic? is there another similar app ?
[13:35] <onetime> ANAND: im looking for something that has resume download for connection time outs
[13:35] <ANAND> Dunno what's fr synaptic, but I'm referring to just "synaptic"           sudo apt install synaptic
[13:35] <ANAND> ah..
[13:38] <loru> isn't synaptic for the touchpad?
[13:39] <ANAND> hehe, that too :)
[13:40] <Numline1_> oh ffs. I finally managed to set up the RAID and now "grub-update" hangs at 66% forever
[13:40] <Numline1_> y u do this to me ubuntu installer
[13:40] <ANAND> Hmm... Ubiquity gave me quite some trouble too, when I set up custom partitions
[13:41] <ANAND> I was forced to use the whole HDD
[13:42] <mihion> I tried to install 18.04 server but it didn't see my hw raid but ubuntu desktop version did...
[13:42] <imi> I have a pointer bug in my up to date ubuntu bionic: the pointer is displayed upside down, moves rotated, but the clicks go to the place where it should if the pointer weren't rotated at all. is this a known bug? is there a workaround?
[13:43] <deusexmachina> guys, Ubuntu seems to be overriding my firmware OC
[13:43] <deusexmachina> like lscpu only shows 4800mhz
[13:43] <Lectus> Hi! Is a SWAP partition still required for new Ubuntu installations? Can it run ok without one if I have 4Gb of RAM?
[13:44] <ikonia> Lectus: totally your call, it can add benifits or not
[13:44] <EriC^^> Lectus: yes no need unless you want hibernation
[13:44] <ikonia> depends on your usecase
[13:44] <deusexmachina> 4gb ram isn't much
[13:44] <EriC^^> also what ikonia said
[13:44] <ikonia> I have 64GB of ram on my desktop and a 2GB swap partition actually gives me a lot of benifit
[13:44] <deusexmachina> a web browser these days uses a lot of RAM
[13:44] <ikonia> it allows the scheduler to really be effiecient
[13:45] <deusexmachina> if you have many many tabs open in your web browser 4gb of ram may not be enough
[13:45] <Lectus> How much space for SWAP should I use with 4GB of RAM?
[13:45] <EriC^^> 2gb would be good
[13:45] <deusexmachina> 2gb or 4gb
[13:45] <EriC^^> might as well go for 4gb and have the option for hibernation
[13:45] <deusexmachina> but set vm.swappiness to something low so you don't use swap unless you need it
[13:48] <ANAND> Would someone be able to help me fix my Wifi if possible? :)
[13:49] <Industrial> Hi. I have python2.7 installed (via package python) and python3 installed. I also have pip and pip3. I upgraded pip and now it is breaking. What do I do?
[13:50] <loru> Lectus: yes it is enough, been running on 2GB of ram without any issue but I'm careful on how many tabs I open :)
[13:50] <blackflow> Industrial: upgraded how
[13:50] <loru> deusexmachina: 4GB is a lot, it's just web browsers that are shit.
[13:50] <ikonia> loru: tone the langauge down please
[13:50] <Industrial> blackflow: pip3 install --upgrade pip
[13:50] <Industrial> blackflow: I got a notice from pip to upgrade
[13:50] <blackflow> Industrial: as superuser?
[13:50] <Industrial> no as my user
[13:51] <blackflow> Industrial: what's the breakage? Ideally, you shouldn't use pip outside of a virtualenv.
[13:51] <Industrial> Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/bin/pip3", line 9, in <module> from pip import main ImportError: cannot import name 'main'
[13:51] <Industrial> all on 1 line :)
[13:52] <Industrial> blackflow: I hav eno virtualenv command. And only a pip3 command not a pip command, weirdly
[13:52] <blackflow> Industrial: well, reinstall the package and don't upgrade pip like that. only pip installed in a virtualenv should be upgraded with pip.
[13:53] <Industrial> I don't have a pip3 or pip package :(
[13:54] <blackflow> no, it's part of another... .ehh I forgot which one, lemme check
[13:54] <Industrial> thanks a lot :-)
[13:55] <deusexmachina> guys, how can I make ubuntu respect my firmware settings for clock?
[13:55] <deusexmachina> I have an 8700k, at 5.2ghz, but ubuntu won't allow it over 4800mhz
[13:56] <Lectus> Which version currently is more stable? Ubuntu 16.04 ou 18.04?
[13:56] <ikonia> they are both production class scale
[13:56] <ikonia> they will deliver production class stability
[13:57] <blackflow> Industrial: actually, it should be a package. python-pip and python3-pip
[13:57] <ikonia> blackflow: out of personal interest does python 2 / 3 work different with pip ?
[13:57] <Industrial> okay
[13:57] <Lectus> The reason I ask is because I'm getting my HDD replaced and I already have a 16.04 usb stick ready for installation. I don't know if I should prepare a new stick with 18.04 or just install 16.04 with a separate /home and install 18.04 a few years later.
[13:57] <blackflow> Industrial: but then, if you didn't upgrade pip as superuser, which required --user flag to pip to actually work, then you just have to clean out the ~/.local/..... python path where pip installed itself
[13:58] <ppf> ikonia: packages go into different paths
[13:58] <Lectus> I was using 16.04 before and it worked fine. But I'm tempted to try Gnome. :D
[13:58] <ppf> i think that's probably the biggest difference
[13:58] <Industrial> blackflow: right
[13:58] <ikonia> ppf: understandable to have different version paths
[13:58] <deusexmachina> you can install gnome on 16.04
[13:58] <blackflow> ikonia: what do you mean?
[14:00] <tomreyn> alphawarrior: the question is whether you want to build driver or firmware. the latter provides supports firmwar,e the former driver (and maybe firmware, too).
[14:00] <tomreyn> and there can be other, more suitable repositories or even debian packages / apt repositories.
[14:00] <tomreyn> i suggest searchinf those first
[14:00] <loru> ikonia: My bad, I guess the language barrier is real here I didn't mean to be rude, maybe I should have said "badly optimized", anyway
[14:01] <loru> I guess I should go before I get banned then, it was nice helping around some people :)
[14:05] <Industrial> blackflow: virtualenv is project wide right? I register/create and env for each project?
[14:06] <Numline1_> Guys, I'm getting mildly tilted by Grub. So I somehow got through installation without issues, I did grub-install on both /dev/sda and /dev/sdb
[14:07] <Numline1_> Now, the system mounts /dev/sda2 as /boot/efi, which is fine
[14:07] <Industrial> blackflow: I'll go read docs nvm
[14:07] <Numline1_> however, /dev/sdb2 is empty
[14:07] <Numline1_> no EFI folder
[14:07] <blackflow> Industrial: that's standard practice, but not a mandate. a virtualenv is just a base dir into which python installs all the stuff. to use it, you have to "activate" it on the command line which is basically just running /path/to/virtualenv/bin/python   rather than /usr/bin/python
[14:07] <Numline1_> I tried re-running grub-install /dev/sdb2 and grub-update /dev/sdb2, it says it went fine and yet the folders are empty. As soon as I physically disconnect SDA, it won't boot
[14:07] <blackflow> Industrial: and the python interpreter installed in there is primed to check within the virtualenv dirs first. If you use --no-site-packages for virtualenv, then it's fully isoalted from the system
[14:08] <blackflow> for more info, ask in #python, as it's not longer Ubuntu specific.
[14:09] <ANAND> Heh, they've included Linux as one of the supported OSes but have failed to provide a driver for Ubuntu...
[14:09] <ANAND> https://www.tp-link.com/us/products/details/cat-5520_TL-WN822N.html#specifications
[14:09] <blackflow> Numline1_: grub-install only installs the bootloader, but the problem is, it checks for where root is, which if it was on sda, will link to sda
[14:09] <blackflow> Numline1_: multi-disk grub is not easy to set up
[14:10] <blackflow> (checks for where root and /boot are, not just root)
[14:10] <Numline1_> blackflow damn. All the tutorials make it seem easy, just grub-install /dev/sdX
[14:10] <Numline1_> blackflow any suggestions on how to go about this?
[14:10] <blackflow> Numline1_: yes for single disk
[14:11] <Numline1_> blackflow yeah but check out for example https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/230349/how-to-correctly-install-grub-on-a-soft-raid-1
[14:11] <blackflow> Numline1_: I don't have any. I know grub does autodetect, and I have no idea how to override paths so that sda's grub and sdb's grub would actually use sda's and sdb's    / and /boot, respectively .... OTHER than changing the grub.cfg manually for sdb.
[14:12] <blackflow> Numline1_: yeah see, /boot is on a mirror raid, so it's a single device.
[14:12] <sarp> Hello
[14:13] <blackflow> Numline1_: note that there are THREE aspects of grub. 1) the loader itself (installed into protective MBR or bios_grub GPT partition with grub-install),   2)   /boot from where it loads up the kernel and initramfs and  3) actual root to pivot into
[14:13] <blackflow> doing #2 and #3 for multi-disk setups is not easy, unless you have a mirror raid, so effectively a single disk for it to work with.
[14:13] <Numline1_> blackflow would creating a SW raid for /boot work?
[14:13] <Numline1_> I presume SW raid is initialised way after bootloading is done
[14:14] <blackflow> Numline1_: yes, but mirror only
[14:14] <Jonta> sarp: Hello
[14:14] <Numline1_> blackflow you mean like RAID 1?
[14:14] <blackflow> Numline1_: being mirror, grub loader doesn't care that it's a mirror.  yes, raid 1
[14:14] <Numline1_> blackflow fair enough, thank you. I wasn't aware that I'd be able to actually install grub on SW raid device
[14:14] <Numline1_> anyway, hurray to yet another reinstall :D
[14:15] <blackflow> grub has no mdadm capabilities without initramfs. a mirror raid can be read from without any mdadm logistics, so that's why it works. any other raid level for /boot  won't work
[14:16] <Numline1_> blackflow did not know that, that's pretty cool. Anyway, thanks again m8, I'll let you know how it goes when I'm done :P
[14:16] <blackflow> yw
[14:18] <Sven_vB> for anyone else trying to capture pointer events performed on an image being displayed: you can use xev to monitor the events, and {image,graphics}magick's display -window to draw the image into the xev window.
[14:20] <tomreyn> Numline1_: you should not install grub to a SW RAID, but to the MBR
[14:21] <Numline1_> tomreyn how would I go about that?
[14:21] <Numline1_> tomreyn what I did with this problematic installation is I created two 100MB EFI partitions (one on each SSD)
[14:21] <tomreyn> you instlal grub to the device, not a partition
[14:21] <blackflow> Numline1_: grub-install /dev/sdX   not /dev/mdX
[14:21] <Numline1_> that didn't work for sdb though
[14:21] <Numline1_> blackflow yep, that's what I did
[14:21] <blackflow> Numline1_: but you asked about putting /boot on raid, not grub bootloader, so
[14:21] <tomreyn> ESP can't go on SW 'RAID anyways
[14:22] <Numline1_> okay timeout, I'm getting mildly confused
[14:22] <Numline1_> :D so just to sum up what I want it to do
[14:22] <blackflow> okay, now that part I don' tknow, whether EFI can work with raid
[14:22] <Numline1_> I want to have grub/bootable system whether one or both drives are connected
[14:22] <Numline1_> earlier, the installation was failing on me when I didn't create the EFI partitions
[14:23] <Numline1_> by failing I mean I wasn't able to install grub, or rather the installer wasn't able to
[14:23] <Numline1_> tomreyn how would I go about the MBR installation?
[14:23] <Numline1_> Do I need to create boot partitions on both drives?
[14:24] <blackflow> Numline1_: note that my advice was given for legacy, bios boot. I have no idea how all that works with EFI. EFI is still a mystery to me :)
[14:24] <Numline1_> blackflow haha, np. I mean, I can go with legacy boot as well, it's all the same to me at this point
[14:25] <Numline1_> The BIOS is set to "Other" as an operating system, so I presume it doesn't give a crap about EFI
[14:25] <Numline1_> or keys
[14:25] <tomreyn> Numline1_: you can put /boot on a mirror raid. but ESP needs to be a partition with just a file system on top of it. UEFI does not have a concept of DM or LVM or whatever software device layers.
[14:26] <Numline1_> tomreyn fair enough. I think the previous installation actually put /boot on the EFI partition though
[14:26] <Industrial> blackflow: I found pipenv, which is realy awesome :-)
[14:27] <blackflow> Numline1_: in case of legacy boot you need:  /dev/sda1  and /dev/sdb1  being bios_grub partitions, say 1MB in size. then set up /dev/sda2 and /dev/sdb2 as devices for md0 mirror raid with mdadm, make it at least 512MB in size. mount /dev/md0 to /boot. reinstall the kernel package (as that puts vmlinuz and initramfs into /boot), then grub-install to  /dev/sda   and /dev/sdb.    with /boot on the md0
[14:27] <blackflow> device, grub should autodetect and configure all.
[14:27] <tomreyn> Numline1_: if it's legacy BIOS then you need no ESP, but a biosboot partition. i think this can go onto SW RAID-1 since it's only read by grub and it understands MD RAID-1
[14:27] <tomreyn> s/biosboot/bios_grub/
[14:27] <Numline1_> alright guys, I'll give it a shot then :)
[14:27] <blackflow> Numline1_: and I forgot about root itself. But if you don't need to separate /boot from root, then sda2/sdb2 for md0 can be just root, containing /boot
[14:28] <Numline1_> blackflow yeah that's the thing. I think I had /boot on one of the EFI partitions I created
[14:28] <Numline1_> that's what confused me
[14:28] <Numline1_> it wasn't on the md0
[14:28] <Numline1_> literally the /boot was -> /dev/sda2
[14:28] <Numline1_> while the / was /dev/md0
[14:29] <blackflow> yea for efi you need a FAT32 partition. dunno if it can/should be combined with what goes into /boot regularly for grub+vmlinuz+initramfs.
[14:29] <Numline1_> oh, okay. Well, fair enough, I'll try the legacy bios_grub setup and see what happens
[14:29] <Numline1_> thanks again guys
[14:29] <Numline1_> brb :P
[14:29] <tomreyn> first of all find out / decide whether you have / want to have EFI or legacy BIOS,
[14:30] <tomreyn> this defines your next steps.
[14:30] <tomreyn> you should nbot have had an EFI partition in the first place if you are bios booting.
[14:30] <Numline1_> I'll go with legacy, it seems to be easier to set up
[14:30] <Numline1_> EFI is too fancy
[14:30] <oerheks> ls /sys/firmware/efi # if the folder exists, ..
[14:31] <Numline1_> Also as I mentioned, the BIOS setting for OS is set to "Other" which probably disables EFI
[14:31] <Numline1_> oerheks will it work in installer console? I already repartitioned the drives
[14:31] <oerheks> no, you would need to boot in the live environment for that
[14:32] <Numline1_> oh shame
[14:32] <Numline1_> guess I'll have to try
[14:32] <Numline1_> without verifiyng that is
[14:33] <Numline1_> ok, so to sum up, I created 2 bios boot reserved partitions, one on each drive
[14:33] <Numline1_> one md for /boot
[14:33] <Numline1_> and one md for /
[14:34] <blackflow> sounds good
[14:34] <Numline1_> alright, let's see what happens
[14:35] <blackflow> run the installer, it might recognize all open devices, so you just point and click at what's root and boot
[14:35] <Numline1_> yea I already partitioned that manually if that's what you mean
[14:35] <blackflow> ubiquity on GNOME does afaik. on KDE/kubuntu it doesn't, broken.
[14:36] <Numline1_> or did you mean the auto guided partitioning?
[14:36] <tomreyn> is this msdos or gpt partition tables?
[14:36] <blackflow> Numline1_: no, not auto guided.
[14:36] <Numline1_> tomreyn not sure?
[14:36] <Numline1_> blackflow oh then I'm not sure I follow
[14:36] <tomreyn> Numline1_: okay. well you dont need biosboot if its msdos, that's why i'm asking.
[14:37] <tomreyn> *bios_grub , sorry
[14:37] <Numline1_> tomreyn ah. Well, the first installation attempt was just md0 SW raid pointing at / and Grub failed at installation
[14:37] <blackflow> Numline1_: if you select LiveCD (Try out Ubuntu), and prepare everything from the terminal, the installer (when you launch it) should be able to recognize open dvices, when you choose "Other" or what's the option, at the partitioning step
[14:37] <Numline1_> so that's how I found out about those separate partitions
[14:38] <RE_DUP_MAX> will changing my bootloader affect my system in anyway?
[14:38] <Numline1_> blackflow ah, I see. I haven't seen that tbh, but I'm using the older regular install guide on Ubuntu 18
[14:38] <Numline1_> not the new one
[14:38] <blackflow> RE_DUP_MAX: changing how
[14:38] <blackflow> Numline1_: frankly, I alwas install with debootstrap. the installer is too dumb.
[14:40] <RE_DUP_MAX> mess this up. im considering switching from grub2 to something different. im curious if that may have any effect on my system, kernel updates etc
[14:40] <Numline1_> blackflow tbh I was looking into a way on how to automate intstallation a bit, like via install parameters etc, I might look into it
[14:40] <Numline1_> blackflow tomreyn anyway, the setup I described earlier got stuck at "Running grub-update" 66%
[14:41] <Numline1_> I had that issue earlier, it stays there forever
[14:41] <tomreyn> RE_DUP_MAX: it could affect the systems' ability to boot.
[14:41] <Numline1_> source: I waited forever
[14:41] <blackflow> RE_DUP_MAX: what else is there? LiLo?
[14:42] <Numline1_> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/os-prober/+bug/1663645
[14:42] <Numline1_> Feels bad man
[14:43] <blackflow> splendid.
[14:43] <blackflow> Numline1_: maybe disable os prober
[14:43] <Numline1_> blackflow I killed the shit out of it
[14:43] <Numline1_> ok installation complete
[14:43] <Numline1_> let's see what happens
[14:44] <blackflow> well no, you have to have grub finish with "Done, no errors reported" or what's the line....
[14:44] <RE_DUP_MAX> black perhaps. i wont be doing any network booting so i think it should suffice. i recently messed up my grub settings and everything is chaotic. im finding it hard to understand the scripts so currrently im using a custom grub.cfg but its proving to be inconsistent when i add another drive, eg the device naming is changing. so im considering somet
[14:44] <RE_DUP_MAX> hing simpler like, lilo
[14:44] <Numline1_> blackflow the system is booting now, so I'll check how grub installed
[14:45] <Numline1_> blackflow okay cool, the md0 is now at /boot, md1 at /, thank you. Is there any way I can check where/how grub is installed so I can boot from both drives independently ?
[14:46] <blackflow> RE_DUP_MAX: use UUIDs for partitions as yes, device reordering might happen and sda might become sdb in another boot, under certain conditions
[14:46] <Numline1_> (keep in mind I added the bios_grub partitions to both)
[14:46] <blackflow> Numline1_: if you booted off of that, then it works. unplug sda and it should still boot, providng you ran grub-install /dev/sdb   while installing
[14:47] <Numline1_> not sure what install wizard did, but you're right. I'll try that, see what happens. If it won't boot, I'll try with grub-install /dev/sdb :)
[14:47] <Numline1_> I'll let ya know
[14:47] <Numline1_> also thanks for the 329389th time again
[14:48] <tomreyn> it wont boot
[14:48] <blackflow> tomreyn: why not?
[14:48] <tomreyn> the installer only installs grub to the first disk
[14:48] <RE_DUP_MAX> grub is a mess
[14:48] <tomreyn> if you didnt do it manually or grub was already on sdb, it wont boot
[14:48] <Numline1_> tomreyn I recall seeing grub-install /dev/sda /dev/sdb earlier during previous install attempts
[14:48] <blackflow> tomreyn: hence "providing you ran grub-instlal /dev/sdb  while installing"
[14:49] <Numline1_> Well it booted off /dev/sdb I think
[14:49] <Numline1_> maybe I unpugged the wrong one
[14:49] <Numline1_> let me check
[14:49] <blackflow> tomreyn: you're just confuzzling them :)   we're past the  grub-install to both disks step ;)
[14:49] <tomreyn> Numline1_: or maybe you already had grub on there
[14:50] <Numline1_> tomreyn possibly, however I removed all partitions as I was installing. Unless grub doesn't get removed from MBR or something similar
[14:50] <tomreyn> blackflow: i just pointed out what you already noted and what was ignored by the recipient.
[14:50] <blackflow> tomreyn: mkay then
[14:51] <Numline1_> LOL
[14:51] <blackflow> Numline1_: removing partitions only "removes" them from the partition table. so if grub wrote itself into first 512 bytes of it, it'll stay there until overwritten
[14:51] <Numline1_> apt-get remove mdadm wants to remove ubuntu-server
[14:51] <Numline1_> wut
[14:51] <blackflow> why remove, you kinda need it for raid
[14:52] <Numline1_> I mean it literally wasn't installed, I had to pull it from apt
[14:52] <Numline1_> anyway, I think I plugged the wrong cable, I'm on sda
[14:52] <Numline1_> brb :D
[14:52] <blackflow> also note, ubuntu-server is kind of a meta-package that pulls in all the server related packages by depending on them, so yeah
[14:53] <Numline1_> fair enough, it's not a huge issue tbh
[14:53] <Numline1_> it was just funny for a sec
[14:53] <Numline1_> btw sdb is also booting
[14:53] <Numline1_> yay
[14:53] <Numline1_> so there's grub on both of them
[14:53] <Numline1_> cool, that's what I was hoping to achieve
[14:54] <Numline1_> I'll verify it's the same setup on both the drives, but I'm glad it's okay now. I'm not sure whether it was the grub_bios partition on RAID 1 /boot, but it's fine now
[14:54] <tomreyn> what you lack now is a process to keep grub updated on both sda and sdb
[14:54] <Numline1_> blackflow tomreyn thanks a ton again guys
[14:54] <blackflow> Numline1_: it's what tomreyn said previously, the installer doesn't do multidisk grub
[14:55] <blackflow> so you had to manually set all that up.
[14:56] <Numline1_> well I'm currently focusing on a larger issue
[14:56] <blackflow> "process to keep grub updated on both sda and sdb"  not really a big deal. if you see grub package updating, just re-run the grub-install part. the rest of it is in /boot on a mdadm raid, so...
[14:56] <Numline1_> the computer won't start at all
[14:56] <tomreyn> you also seem to have msdos partition tables, not gpt (verify this with "sudo parted /dev/sda print" and the same for sdb), in which case you can remove the bios_grub partitions
[14:56] <Numline1_> I think I messed up something on the board lol
[14:58] <Numline1_> oh ffs
[15:00] <zetheroo> to what location do gnome extensions get installed to?
[15:00] <imi> hi, I have up to date 18.04 and it flips the screen twice, so it actually ends up to be upside down :( but funnily, the mouse cursor displayed isn't affected, just everything else. However the click is registered at the direct opposite position of the screen of where the cursor displayed. if I use xrandr to make my screen look normal, the cursor ends up upside down, and now the cursor moves as if I hold the mouse upside down, and once
[15:00] <imi> again the click is registered at the direct opposite. this is a convertible laptop, which was upgraded from 17.10 in tent mode. I've just checked the 18.04 installer, and it seems to work properly, so most probably some update issue. I also tried to reboot and login with an empty home folder, and it didn't help. (the login screen is not affected, just everything else). So I suppose, it's not a per user issue, and it is an upgrade issue. Do
[15:00] <imi> you have any suggestions how to fix this?
[15:02] <Akuw> hi
[15:02] <Akuw> minutes ago my server go off line
[15:03] <Akuw> how can i check why server goes something like hybernate
[15:03] <Akuw> is the first time it happen
[15:04] <tomreyn> Akuw: review syslog
[15:05] <ANAND> My Wifi adapter that worked perfectly in Windows, downloads and uploads at abysmal speeds on 18.04. Is this a driver issue?
[15:06] <ANAND> The manufacturer provides only Windows drivers
[15:07] <Akuw> https://pastebin.com/8LchiffU
[15:07] <tomreyn> ANAND: we couldn't know without more information. but generally, this can be so.
[15:10] <ANAND> tomreyn: Is there any way to narrow down on the cause?
[15:11] <oerheks> it is not only how much a server van upload, but also what the client can recieve
[15:11] <oerheks> c/van/can
[15:12] <oerheks> so how do you tell and/or test?
[15:13] <Akuw> yesterday was the same
[15:13] <Akuw> only one time
[15:14] <Numline1_> tomreyn so I verified it, it's msdos
[15:14] <Numline1_> I'll remove those partitions then, thank you
[15:14] <Akuw> i found this line  Jun 14 15:57:51 SERVER00 NetworkManager[729]: <info>  [1529006271.9684] device (enp2s0): state change: unavailable -> disconnected (reason 'carrier-changed') [20 30 40]
[15:15] <Akuw> the only reason that happen is Cable ?
[15:15] <MibixFox> Anyone know why this might be happening whenever I try to use the autologin with the Cinnamon GUI? https://imgur.com/a/fSY6xme
[15:15] <tomreyn> ANAND: yes. first of all, find out which hardwarre you have exactly (often different hardwares get the same marketing / product name): lspci -nn | grep -i network && lsusb | grep -i network. then search the web for "linux" and the nnnn:nnnn formatted device ID (where 'n' can be digits or letters a-f), in quotation marks, and you can get an idea of how well it is supporte don linux.
[15:16] <imi> I have up to date 18.04 and it flips the screen twice, so it actually ends up to be upside down :( but funnily, the mouse cursor displayed isn't affected, just everything else. However the click is registered at the direct opposite position of the screen of where the cursor displayed. if I use xrandr to make my screen look normal, the cursor ends up upside down, and now the cursor moves as if I hold the mouse upside down, and once again
[15:16] <imi> the click is registered at the direct opposite. this is a convertible laptop, which was upgraded from 17.10 in tent mode. I've just checked the 18.04 installer, and it seems to work properly, so most probably some update issue. I also tried to reboot and login with an empty home folder, and it didn't help. (the login screen is not affected, just everything else). So I suppose, it's not a per user issue, and it is an upgrade issue. Do you
[15:16] <imi> have any suggestions how to fix this? Thank you for your response in advance.
[15:17] <tomreyn> ANAND: this web search should also tell you which drivers (kernel modules) are available and which one (if multiple) seems to work best with your version of the linux kernel. finally you can also inspect the output of "dmesg -T" to see what was logged when the driver was loaded on your system, and when it operated.
[15:18] <ANAND> tomreyn: Will do right away
[15:18] <tsglove> Hello.  I´m trying to install zabbix on a fresh 18.04 server.   Getting stuck at this dependency: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/fySPp43CQD/     zabbix-server-mysql is asking for libevent-2.0-5    yet I currently have installed libevent-2.1-6
[15:18] <ANAND>  lspci -nn | grep -i network && lsusb | grep -i network doesn't seem to do anything
[15:18] <ANAND> tomreyn ^
[15:20] <tomreyn> ANAND: retry both commands with 'wireless' instead of 'network'
[15:20] <ANAND> ok
[15:21] <ANAND> nothing still
[15:21] <tomreyn> ANAND: then you dont have it connected
[15:21] <ANAND> That's the adapter through which I'm connected :)
[15:22] <CalicoFlows> I tried installing Waterfox, I added the repo, the key, updated, installed, but Waterfox is still not installed?? What's going on ... https://pastebin.com/bE6GnXAe
[15:22] <tomreyn> ANAND: do this, then try again: sudo update-pciids && sudo update-usbids
[15:24] <ANAND> Something's being downloaded. Meanwhile, lsusb returned this peculiar entry: Bus 002 Device 003: ID 2357:0108
[15:24] <ANAND> There's no name/desc.
[15:25] <tomreyn> ANAND: apparently that's the one. a TP-LINK TL-WN822N v4
[15:26] <ANAND> Yes
[15:26] <ANAND> Mine's v5 btw
[15:32] <jackhum> hi , anyone on this
[15:32] <jackhum> ?
[15:33] <jnewt> on what?
[15:35] <leftyfb> !support | jackhum
[15:35] <leftyfb> !ask | jackhum
[15:35] <jackhum> hi leftyfb , i thought noone is here
[15:35] <jackhum> sorry
[15:35] <leftyfb> jackhum: according to almost any IRC client, you should see that there are over 1700 people here
[15:35] <jackhum> so , this is the third time i am posting this, sorry for being annoying,
[15:37] <jackhum> i have 16.04 with really weird sound problem, it fails to detect headphone , sometimes sounds plays with laptop external speakers , sometimes it dont , apart from that i get lots of crash messages on startup my /var/crash has about 7-10 files
[15:37] <jackhum> anyone who can help me fix my no sound ubuntu problem , i have tried lots of threads , but i am still unable to diagnose and solve this
[15:37] <jnewt> jackhum, where are the crash logs?  have you pasted them somewhere so someone besides you can see them?
[15:38] <LudusLight> is this USB headphones or using the integrated jack?
[15:38] <tizzja> o
[15:38] <jackhum> LudusLight, these are normal 3.5 one
[15:38] <jackhum> jnewt, sorry mate i just cleared those logs cause i thought those were the old ones
[15:39] <jnewt> jackhum, crash it again, then paste the logs
[15:39] <jackhum> jnewt, if i login logout sometimes i get sound ,but then headphones fails to detect , also sometimes my pointer is not visible on desktop , i just hover color changes when i move it around
[15:43] <ElectroXexual> What's a good program to organize my music library? apart from amarok...
[15:43] <leftyfb> ElectroXexual: try #ubuntu-offtopic
[15:43] <ElectroXexual> Sry
[15:43] <jackhum> ElectroXexual, clementine?
[15:48] <jnewt> jackhum: cat /proc/asound/cards should show your hardware sound then whichever card is the one you're using may show an change on connection with something like tail -F /proc/asound/card0/codec#0 can you work through that to see which card you have and whether it's registering a connect / disconnect appropriately?   i've never had this issue, so anyone else who wants to jump in here, i may be way off.
[15:48] <jnewt> jackhum, the logs would be most useful though
[15:49] <Echo6> Does anyone know who this troll is?  .:Scumi:. U bastard   .:Echo6:. ?  .:Scumi:. You baztard   .:Echo6:. Do I know you?   .:Scumi:. Why don't you take a swift dive into cunt Hillary    .:Echo6:. I have no idea who you are.   .:Scumi:. You nigger
[15:49] <Echo6> They are hanging out in this room and started messaging me as soon as I joined. I'm pretty sure its some sort of poorly crafted bot a child made.
[15:50] <jnewt> Echo6, have the same person pm'ing me asking why i voted for Hillary
[15:52] <oerheks> Echo6, just put her/him/it on ignore, or join #ubuntu-ops
[15:52] <Echo6> jnewt its a troll bot.
[15:52] <jnewt> yup
[15:52] <Echo6> Blocked.
[15:52] <Echo6> :)
[15:54] <Echo6> Did you report it already? I figured might attempt that.
[15:55] <dreadkopp> hey guys. i've got trouble starting X via systemd on ubuntu server 18.04 . I basically followed this guide: https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/X_without_Display_Manager#Method_1 on start it fails : https://hastebin.com/raw/gabivuzake starting the service from the terminal works fine though.... any ideas ?
[15:59] <Scumi> You know all convicted USA citzens children don't get to stay with their parents. So why should law breaking illegal wet backs. You negros
[16:00] <oerheks> wrong channel Scumi .. and please don't pm users here with that.
[16:00] <LudusLight> lol, apparently not a bot
[16:00] <oerheks> !ot > Scumi
[16:01] <Scumi> Sorry. Thought everyone wanted law abiding border crossing citizens.
[16:01] <nacc> oerheks: i've let them know
[16:02] <Akuw> hi
[16:02] <BenjaminK> hello
[16:03] <Scumi> Hi
[16:03] <Scumi> Hi
[16:03] <Akuw> yesterday i remve old kernels but today the nic lost connection
[16:03] <Akuw> it appear some module was shared
[16:03] <Akuw> i never restarted computer after oldkernel removal
[16:04] <Akuw> how can i fix that
[16:04] <Akuw> i am near kernel panic?
[16:05] <oerheks> without reboot the kernel driver should be still in use, despite removal??
[16:05] <Akuw> please help
[16:05] <Akuw> i dont know
[16:05] <oerheks> how did you install those wireless modules in the first place?
[16:06] <nacc> Akuw: how did you remove the old kernels?
[16:06] <nacc> Akuw: "near kernel panic" doesn't make sense
[16:06] <nerdcore> kernel anxiety attack? ;)
[16:06] <Akuw> dpkg -r linux-image-4.4.0-31-generic linux-image-extra-4.4.0-31-generic
[16:06] <Akuw> heheheheh
[16:06] <nacc> Akuw: and "nic" so it's a physical connection?
[16:06] <Akuw> yes
[16:06] <nacc> Akuw: that's not how you do that
[16:06] <nacc> Akuw: use `sudo apt autoremove`
[16:07] <nacc> Akuw: what kernel are you running? `uname -r`
[16:07] <Akuw> the problem was apt can t do it because disk was full and got error
[16:07] <Akuw> 4.4.0-70-generic
[16:07] <nacc> Akuw: and what network device?
[16:08] <Akuw> enp2s0    Link encap:Ethernet
[16:08] <Akuw> content of /lib/modules    4.4.0-70-generic  4.4.0-71-generic
[16:09] <nacc> Akuw: `ip -a` in a pastebin, please
[16:12] <Akuw> https://pastebin.com/AiqtPcqg
[16:12] <nacc> Akuw: it has an ip address
[16:12] <nacc> Akuw: what do you think isn't working?
[16:12] <Akuw> yesterday disconnect
[16:12] <Akuw> and today minutes ago disconnect again
[16:13] <Akuw> that never happen before kernel removal
[16:13] <oerheks> but you never rebooted, so the old drivers are still in use
[16:13] <Akuw> Jun 15 10:58:25 SERVER00 NetworkManager[729]: <info>  [1529074705.2246] device (enp2s0): state change: unavailable -> disconnected (reason 'carrier-changed') [20 30 40]
[16:13] <Akuw> yes
[16:14] <Akuw> oerheks: yes
[16:14] <nacc> Akuw: i believe the above means your link dropped
[16:14] <nacc> it doens't have anything to do with the driver
[16:14] <Akuw> i was talking with admin and he told me is dangerous reboot
[16:14] <nacc> Akuw: if you are on 4.4.0-70, removing 4.4.0-31 is irrelevant
[16:14] <Akuw> nacc: really?
[16:15] <nacc> Akuw: yes.
[16:15] <Akuw> can i reboot then?
[16:15] <nacc> Akuw: do you require authentication in your network?
[16:16] <Akuw> this server is used as file server
[16:16] <Akuw> with password
[16:17] <nacc> https://askubuntu.com/questions/833276/network-connection-lost-carrier-changed
[16:17] <nacc> e.g., that implies something in the physical topology is not great
[16:17] <Akuw> nacc: but that never happen before kernel removal
[16:17] <Akuw> that is the point, so the fail should be related to it
[16:18] <nacc> Akuw: ... no you have no causative relationship
[16:18] <nacc> Akuw: you have a *correlative* relationship
[16:18] <Akuw> nacc: all was ok, after kernel removal 2 hours later it happen
[16:18] <Akuw> and today again
[16:18] <nacc> Akuw: *also* you should be on 4.4.0-128
[16:19] <nacc> Akuw: not 4.4.0-70, get your house in order :)
[16:20] <Akuw> using apt-get upgrade?
[16:21] <nacc> Akuw: you probably should do `sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get autoremove (since you said something about disk space issues); sudo apt full-upgrade`
[16:21] <nacc> *apt-get full-upgrade
[16:21] <Akuw> damm
[16:21] <oerheks> first autoremove, as his disk was full, he claimed
[16:21] <Akuw> that is a work for no work hours
[16:22] <nacc> oerheks: right, that's what i suggested
[16:22] <Akuw> https://pastebin.com/ZkuLJh76
[16:22] <nacc> Akuw: so basically you've let your system bitrot?
[16:22] <Akuw> bitrot?
[16:22] <Akuw> what is that
[16:22] <oerheks> what is that list supposed to be?
[16:22] <nacc> Akuw: you've not kept any packages up to date?
[16:22] <nacc> Akuw: i assumed your last paste was the list of packages apt said it needed to upgrade?
[16:23] <oerheks> you just gave some list, not your 'update' ...
[16:23] <user1000> Hi, I would like to know if Ubuntu 18.04 without encryption stores securely chromium passwords to sites like google in gnome keyring. So, if an attacker steal the hard disk he is unable to extract the passwords because they are in gnome keyring with good encryption
[16:23] <Akuw> i was not admin that server
[16:23] <Akuw> i am new here
[16:24] <nacc> Akuw: then whoever was the admin did, it's the same to us
[16:24] <Akuw> then i have to full-upgrade ?
[16:25] <Akuw> what happen if i restart ?
[16:27] <oerheks> user1000, only if you use a separate password/token for the keyring, you are really safe .. but yes, it does by default detection https://chromium.googlesource.com/chromium/src/+/lkgr/docs/linux_password_storage.md
[16:28] <user1000> oerheks My user uses a password to login, you mean that?
[16:29] <oerheks> yes
[16:29] <user1000> oerkheks perfect, then it's encrypted. Thank you! :)
[16:29] <oerheks> if that password is identical, it can open your wallet AFAIK
[16:30] <user1000> oerheks I didn't created a new password
[16:30] <user1000> user1000 when I login the first time, it didn't asked for a password for the gnome keyring, as far I remember
[16:30] <user1000> oerheks when I login the first time, it didn't asked for a password for the gnome keyring, as far I remember
[16:31] <oerheks> that sounds correct
[16:31] <oerheks> now i wonder what happens when you reset the password method, can one still use your wallet?
[16:31] <oerheks> !password
[16:31] <user1000> oerheks, perfect, thank you! :)
[16:33] <user1000> oerheks oh, one last question. If the attacker steal the hard disk and it's not encrypted, can it read the user password from the hard disk to use it to open the gnome keyring or user passwords are encrypted too?
[16:33] <leftyfb> user1000: unlikely
[16:33] <user1000> leftyfb ok, thank you! :)
[16:34] <Akuw> what happen if i restart ?
[16:35] <leftyfb> Akuw: restart what?
[16:35] <Akuw> ubuntu
[16:35] <MibixFox> once you put in passwords it starts asking for your keyring in chromium
[16:35] <MibixFox> oh he gone
[16:35] <oerheks> Akuw, only you can tell us when you do. if things fail, boot in recovery mode
[16:35] <Akuw> ok
[16:35] <Akuw> tomorrow
[16:35] <Akuw> now can't do that
[16:37] <leftyfb> !who | Akuw
[16:41] <ffesr> hi all
[16:41] <ffesr> anyone using firefox esr on bionic?
[16:41] <cyberalex4life> Hello, I'm having issues with apache vhosts, configs that otherwise would load. For example site1.dev not shows in browser as https://site1.dev and is unable to connect. What should I do? I am on Ubuntu 17.10 and I installed apache2 and mysql
[16:42] <cyberalex4life> now
[16:42] <leftyfb> ffesr: sorry, we don't take part in surveys here
[16:42] <ffesr> you guys have an idea why my firefox is crashing in a newly installed bionic?
[16:42] <leftyfb> ffesr: do you have any error output?
[16:44] <ffesr> leftyfb: firefox esr,also newly installed... how can i extract crash error output from firefox?
[16:44] <cyberalex4life> here's my site1.dev.conf: http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/t7r6Pbqmpw/
[16:44] <Akuw> how can ubuntu share file and dirs with windows
[16:44] <Akuw> without use samba
[16:46] <cyberalex4life> and my /etc/hosts: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/v8cgZSdDJW/
[16:48] <leftyfb> Akuw: file sharing with Windows is done with Samba
[16:48] <leftyfb> ffesr: try running it from a terminal
[16:49] <Akuw> but actually i am using nmap and the server sharing file don't have that service
[16:49] <Akuw> sorry, i saw
[16:49] <Akuw> smbbd
[16:49] <Akuw> smbd
[16:49] <ffesr> leftyfb: done..
[16:49] <leftyfb> that is the daemon for samba
[16:50] <leftyfb> ffesr: if it crashes, you'll see errors in the terminal
[16:50] <emin> hey
[16:51] <lotuspsychje> emin: welcome to ubuntu support, how can we help you?
[16:51] <emin> im not actually on ubuntu right now but can you install unity on linux mint
[16:51] <ffesr> leftyfb: it usually crash during the 1st moments.. after i disabled java is not crashing,are there any similar event with other users?
[16:51] <lotuspsychje> !mint | emin
[16:52] <emin> oh ok thanks
[16:52] <ffesr> leftyfb: it usually crash during the 1st moments.. after i disabled java FIREFOX ESR* is not crashing,are there any similar event with other users?
[16:52] <leftyfb> ffesr: please don't repeat
[16:53] <leftyfb> ffesr: sounds like you found your issue
[16:53] <ffesr> leftyfb: well anyways.ill just report back if the errors appears on the terminal
[16:55] <ffesr> googling related to my issue produces zero results.. tech guys here might have an idea for a solution
[16:57] <ffesr> issue: new installed bionic.fresh installed firefox> esr crash.
[17:00] <ffesr> eriC^^ if you are around big thanks for helping out my installation issue. :) kudos
[17:03] <nacc> ffesr: wouldn't that be a question for the ff esr maintainers?
[17:03] <ffesr> nacc i thought so
[17:03] <nacc> ffesr: so you're asking here ... because?
[17:05] <ffesr> simply because im using bionic
[17:05] <nacc> ffesr: except the problem is with something not provided by Ubuntu.
[17:05] <nacc> ffesr: fix the thing not in ubuntu, which is not ontopic here.
[17:20] <tkeith> Hello! I am trying to run a standard login user session, under xvfb (virtual X server that I can run on headless machines). xvfb provides an x server on display :99 (or whichever I want to use). So my question is, after starting xvfb, what command should I run to start the login user session?
[17:20] <tkeith> (I am using xvfb-run which sets the environment variables correctly, I believe)
[17:21] <tkeith> For example, I can run "xvfb-run firefox", and then I have access to a firefox window when I hook up a vnc server to the xvfb display
[17:21] <tkeith> But I am trying to launch a full login session, rather than just firefox
[17:24] <nacc> tkeith: http://mriksman.blogspot.com/2013/07/headless-gdm-stop-gdm-from-trying-to.html
[17:24] <nacc> tkeith: i assume you'd need to actually set up a display manager
[17:24] <nacc> tkeith: and then run that, which would manage the login sessions
[17:36] <jackhum> status update on my no sound in ubuntu problem , i googled a bit , and found that some people were able to fix their problem by changing the kernel version , so i upgraded mine to 4.16 , now i get some sda-intel no codecs message on logs black screen when my ubuntu boots , i would like to know how can i revert back to kernel which was working
[17:37] <lotuspsychje> jackhum: you could also try with pavucontrol first (as a test)
[17:37] <jackhum> lotuspsychje, would love to know about it more , can you explain in detail
[17:38] <lotuspsychje> jackhum: pavucontrol is a package, just install it, and try it out
[17:38] <lotuspsychje> !info pavucontrol | jackhum
[17:43] <tkeith> @nacc: Thanks for the pointer... I can't seem to figure out a way to get gdm to run on xvfb, and that post says the same thing. I was hoping there was a way to skip gdm completely. For example, I can run "startx" from the console, which I believe skips gdm. But I can't figure out how to combine this with xvfb
[17:46] <jackhum> anyways , how to know what kernel i was using in past?
[17:46] <jackhum> smhw i am getting this hunch that my sound problem has something to do with kernel
[17:49] <nacc> jackhum: what release of ubuntu are you on? when did the sound work last?
[17:50] <Bashing-om> jackhum: If you have not removed -or- have unattended-upgrades - autoremove set --- then the old kernsls are still installed. Boot to the grub menu to see what kernels are available .
[17:50] <jackhum> nacc, Ubuntu 16.04.4 LTS
[17:51] <jackhum> nacc, it was working 2 days ago
[17:51] <nacc> jackhum: were you running the HWE kernel?
[17:51] <jackhum> Bashing-om, really nice sugestion , i will try that
[17:51] <jackhum> nacc, what is HWE , i am noob
[17:51] <nacc> jackhum: have you run `sudo apt-get autoremove` or similar recently?
[17:51] <nacc> !hwe | jackhum
[17:51] <nacc> jackhum: if the answer to the last question is no, just reboot and pick a different kernel in grub.
[17:51] <jackhum> nacc, not after sound problem , if i remember right
[17:52] <jackhum> nacc, okay , i will try that and come back
[17:52] <mborkar> Hello Guys
[17:53] <mborkar> Can anyone help me with multipathing
[17:53] <mborkar> once the node boots up i see two drives
[17:53] <mborkar> 1.sdb wherein the boot drive is present
[17:53] <mborkar> 2. sda which is another drive (To be used as multipath)
[17:53] <mborkar> 3. I install device-multimapper-multipath
[17:53] <mborkar> 4. mpathconf --enable --with_multipathd y
[17:54] <oerheks> !paste
[17:55] <mborkar> thanks
[17:56] <nacc> mborkar: what is 'device-multimapper-multipath'? do you mean dm-mpath?
[17:57] <mborkar> yes i am using rhel
[17:57] <ffesr> hi may i ask if this OS related or just within firefox ? https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/j9xjHhdkSS/
[17:57] <mborkar> so it does the same thing
[17:57] <zergut> hi, does ubuntu has any stopwatch out of box?
[17:57] <oerheks> oh ..
[17:57] <zergut> stopwatch programm
[17:58] <oerheks> you better seek an fedora channel
[17:58] <oerheks> !find stopwatch
[17:58] <mborkar> #rhel
[17:58] <nacc> mborkar: you are using RHEL?
[17:58] <oerheks> !info stopwatch
[17:58] <mborkar> yes
[17:58] <nacc> mborkar: then go to their support channel / you are paying for support already
[18:01] <tkeith> @nacc: I was able to run xvfb-run /etc/gdm3/Xsession, and I got a partially set up user environment... missing the desktop icons and some other elements. Any idea what I'm missing to get a full session, or where I might look to see how gdm invokes it?
[18:02] <fishie> I'm having trouble with certain video streaming websites but not others. Is there some way I can get Ubuntu to refresh it's internet service or something? I know it does something to reconnect when I reset my internet modem/router/whatever, but I'm not sure that's enough.
[18:03] <jackhum> nacc, i tried different options of kernel using advanced mode , but i got no sound , infact the sound application is missing, no sound , no sound in dash menu , no indicator none
[18:03] <jackhum> can anyone tell me how to research logs and see if my system is loading sound drivers and stuff
[18:04] <hanasaki> gnome terminal is full screen w/o title bar... how to resize and how to make full screen WITH titlebar
[18:04] <hanasaki> ??
[18:04] <nacc> tkeith: i don't know, sorry
[18:04] <Bashing-om> !sound | jackhum - Seen these ?
[18:05] <fishie> .... nevermind. I'll just restart the computer like a Windows user. I had it hibernating last night.
[18:06] <jackhum> Bashing-om, sorry to say , but i dont have sound applet or sound application, smhw it has all gone mute
[18:07] <Bashing-om> jackhum: i run silent here .. so no direct experience with sound :(
[18:07] <jackhum> Bashing-om, lewl, but dude , i need to fix this , and i dont want to go back to windoge
[18:08] <jackhum> Bashing-om, now it doesnt even show sound applet
[18:08] <jackhum> Bashing-om, i tried kali , which is triple booted on same system , and it works fine with booming sound
[18:09] <ppf> jackhum so what's wrong
[18:09] <jackhum> ppf, i have no idea, if you still dont know what my problem is , TLDR , sound is not working , sound application is missing , sound applet is missing , system is mute , no sound nada
[18:10] <ppf> tried alsamixer or pavucontrol to setup sound?
[18:10] <ppf> also
[18:10] <ppf> !sound
[18:10] <Bashing-om> jackhum: Well, I do not know sound .. but I would in your case start with the trouble shooting links frin ubottu, see what is NOT now installed ..
[18:11] <ppf> which Ubuntu are you on?
[18:11] <jackhum> ppf, 16.04
[18:12] <jackhum> also , aplay -l doesnt show anything
[18:12] <jackhum> which is quiet strange
[18:13] <ppf> lshw
[18:15] <oerheks> with kernel 4.16 ??
[18:18] <kiriuha> hello
[18:21] <YADW> Hey there, I'm having a hard time compiling a program called trelby from source, on ubuntu 16.04.3 LTS. I can make just fine, when I prompt it to "make deb" it returns [deb] error 29. I'm starting to doubt my compiling skills, had I ever had any.
[18:23] <nacc> YADW: they provide a deb on their website, does it not work
[18:23] <YADW> The program itself is pretty much messed up, since the .deb version depends on a package that was dismissed in 14.04
[18:23] <nacc> YADW: it sounds like the problem is intheir source then; you're best off contact trelby
[18:23] <oerheks> https://askubuntu.com/questions/785399/trelby-not-installing-in-16-04 troubling package
[18:24] <nacc> YADW: do you have debuild installed? it's needed for that target
[18:25] <YADW> oerheks: yes, I saw that. Someone managed to compile it in some other way, though that's still failing for me
[18:25] <YADW> nacc Yes, of course!
[18:25] <nacc> YADW: https://github.com/oskusalerma/trelby/pull/404
[18:25] <nacc> YADW: unmaintained (upstream) software as well
[18:26] <nacc> last commit in master was oct. 2016
[18:26] <YADW> God I hate these situations
[18:26] <ppf> when people stop maintaining their software?
[18:26] <YADW> You wouldn't believe it, I run in this kind of issues an incredibly high number of times.
[18:27] <ioria> YADW, guess the main problem is wxWidgets (2.8) missing on xenial
[18:27] <oerheks> welcome in the wondering world of opensource
[18:27] <ppf> then you must live in a different software-requirement bubble than me :-)
[18:28] <YADW> ioria: Yup, I even looked for the whole python-wxgtk2.8, no way to find that.
[18:28] <YADW> oerheks: YOU WON'T HAVE ME, MICRO$OFT!
[18:28] <ioria> YADW, that pkg is for trusty, xenial uses 3.0
[18:29] <nacc> YADW: why not just run trusty in a container or vm?
[18:30] <oerheks> i assume there is a better alternative for trebly
[18:30] <YADW> nacc How on earth did I not consider running a vm on a 1GB ram, 1.73 GHz single core CPU, 2005 laptop. Oh, wait.
[18:31] <YADW> (Yep, it's practically a toaster :P)
[18:31] <ppf> container
[18:31] <ppf> not vm
[18:31] <EriC^^> ./toast.sh
[18:32] <EriC^^> (#!/bin/bash fancontrol off && sleep 30)
[18:32] <YADW> ppf I'll look into it, I don't know much about how those work, but it seems interesting.
[18:33] <oerheks> if that is really a 32 bit single core, install 14.04.5
[18:34] <coconut> Anyone here who has tried using _any_ config option in rtorrent.rc?
[18:34] <NoCode_> I restarted my computer, seen a "failed" process. Look at dmesg, "[    7.168816] nouveau 0000:01:00.0: bus: MMIO write of 80000140 FAULT at 10eb14 [ IBUS ]" -- I'm not sure if that is it, but is there another way to see what failed? ANd what does that mean?
[18:34] <ioria> YADW, this guy used the wily repo (probably  down atm ) ,but i decline every responsibility
[18:34] <ioria> YADW, https://askubuntu.com/questions/789302/install-python-wxgtk2-8-on-ubuntu-16-04
[18:34] <YADW> Yup, wily repo is down
[18:34] <leftyfb> coconut: that's not your question
[18:35] <leftyfb> YADW: wily is EOL
[18:35] <ioria> YADW,  change the url with the olr.release one
[18:35] <ioria> old
[18:35] <YADW> Let's see. Thanks, by the way.
[18:36] <gobuki> Hi. I just learned gksu was removed. Is there no way to run X applications as root in a user session? I want to flash my gemini pda and the flash tool needs root access.
[18:37] <EriC^^> gobuki: sudo -H guiapp should do it
[18:37] <NoCode> Should I remove nouveau if I already use nvidia drivers?
[18:37] <EriC^^> that way it won't touch your home dir
[18:38] <ppf> nocode you can blacklist it
[18:38] <kemisten> https://pastebin.com/C5QJ9kZf
Paste is available without ads on http://pastebin.com/raw?i=C5QJ9kZf
can someone write a function that adds the cifs mounting
i just want to see how a function like that woulkd look
i can ju st send all 5 cifs mounts
[18:38] <NoCode> ppf: Okay cool. https://linuxconfig.org/how-to-disable-nouveau-nvidia-driver-on-ubuntu-18-04-bionic-beaver-linux
[18:38] <NoCode> I'll try that.
[18:39] <leftyfb> kemisten: try #bash
[18:39] <kemisten> it would help me get better computer thinking
[18:39] <kemisten> they sent me here
[18:39] <gobuki> EriC^^: it complains about missing privilege for ShmAttach. A window pops up, but it's content is gray. When i run the flasher in my user context it displays correctly.
[18:39] <ppf> lol
Take it to your OS channel. Your issue is specific to your Operating System or Distribution.
[18:39] <wifiprob> Hey people :) I've been using ubuntu for quite some time, but after yesterday I've starting disconnecting frequently on my wifi. I've tried the broadcom driver guide by chili555 on the ubuntu forum, but it was already the newest version.
[18:40] <wifiprob> Wifi info gives this https://pastebin.com/6TziJBEk
[18:40] <kemisten> plzplz write a function that mount cifs if it recives a var with coorrect value
[18:40] <Curlyears> greetws.  where can I find a listing and explanation abpout the various filesystem type usable in mount?
[18:40] <EriC^^> gobuki: try "sudo -iH guiapp"
[18:40] <nacc> kemisten: 1) we don't know what "correct" values are. 2) you try and write it first
[18:40] <EriC^^> gobuki: any idea what ShmAttach is
[18:40] <EriC^^> !ping
[18:40] <YADW> I don't get it... I'm giving up on hope.
[18:40] <kemisten> they are all in the file rifgght?
[18:40] <leftyfb> kemisten: what exactly are you trying to accomplish? Why do you need this function?
[18:40] <nacc> Curlyears: cat /proc/filesystems
[18:41] <YADW> What if I posted the output of make deb?
[18:41] <Curlyears> nacc thanks
[18:41] <nacc> kemisten: is this homework or something?
[18:41] <nacc> kemisten: just run the 5 mount commans
[18:41] <kemisten> nah
[18:41] <kemisten> ill edirt the paste so it all makes sence
[18:42] <leftyfb> kemisten: what exactly are you trying to accomplish? Why do you need this function?
[18:42] <gobuki> EriC^^: no change, running it with sudo -iH. Tried using -i only before, but it doesn't help. Thank you anyway
[18:43] <ppf> yadw seriously, just run a trusty container
[18:43] <EriC^^> gobuki: odd, which ubuntu version are you using?
[18:43] <EriC^^> 18.04?
[18:43] <gobuki> EriC^^: yes. 18.04 LTS, with X fallback
[18:43] <EriC^^> !info gksu
[18:43] <ioria> gksu is dead
[18:43] <Curlyears> hmmm...How do I discover what filesystem type an 8unmoounted device has, so I can mount it?
[18:43] <EriC^^> what's replaced it? ioria
[18:44] <EriC^^> Curlyears: try "lsblk -f"
[18:44] <ioria> EriC^^, for edit root owned files something like this : gedit admin:///file
[18:44] <gobuki> I have found a blog praising the admin: url for opening files, but this doesn't solve my problem
[18:44] <Curlyears> I  have tried with xext4 abd with vfat, and the system complains it is the wrong filetype
[18:44] <EriC^^> ioria: what about running gui apps?
[18:45] <EriC^^> gobuki: have you tried just "sudo guiapp" ?
[18:45] <ioria> EriC^^,  pkexec ?
[18:45] <gobuki> EriC^^: yup
[18:45] <EriC^^> Curlyears: it usually gets it right
[18:46] <EriC^^> Curlyears: you dont need to provide the fs, mount will guess it for you
[18:46] <gobuki> using pkexec: "flash_tool: cannot connect to X server"
[18:46] <EriC^^> pkexec complains about Mir and sockets for me
[18:47] <EriC^^> gobuki: what exactly is it saying when you try "sudo -iH" then try running the program
[18:47] <Curlyears> in lsblk 0f, the filetype column is blank on all entries
[18:47] <callum> hey has anyone had an issue where ubuntu freezes on reboot/shutdown, like even in the live usb... p.s. im using nvidia optimus on a dell 7577
[18:47] <EriC^^> Curlyears: that doesn't sound good, what is the backstory what do you expect them to be?
[18:48] <Bashing-om> gobuki: ' sudo -H ' works for me to start a GUI app .. that is an upper case h .
[18:48] <ppf> Callum freeze how
[18:49] <Curlyears> error message when I try mounting without specifing a filesystem type:  mount: you must specify the filesystem type
[18:49] <callum> so as soon as i click the shutdown button the system freezes dead in its tracks, ctrl + alt + f2 wont take you to the tty, i have to hold down the power key ppf
[18:49] <EriC^^> Curlyears: not what i asked
[18:50] <rud0lf> what about alt + sysrq + b ?
[18:50] <ppf> journalctl -b -1?
[18:50] <rud0lf> (don't try it now)
[18:50] <gobuki> EriC^^, Bashing-om: http://termbin.com/1obg
[18:51] <callum> after the shutdown?
[18:51] <Curlyears> EriC^^:  I have a pair of 3TB drives not currently mounted under this system (14.04).  I don't recall what type they were, when I formatted them under 16.04
[18:51] <callum> ppf^
[18:51] <ioria> gobuki, if you run ' xhost +  ' before ?
[18:51] <tmch2> Hi! I have a problem booting up my Ubuntu. The thing is I copied the whole hard disk device with dd from one computer to another, but on the new one nothing seems to find the partitions on this newly formatted disk except for the grub console. I tell the grub console to load the system from the Ubuntu partition, but it stops and throws me into the initrd's ash shell because it can't find a root partition, although it's supposed to be the very same partition
[18:51] <tmch2> I'm loading the kernel and initrd from. What can I do to make Linux see its root partition?
[18:52] <Curlyears> EriC^^:  if I can mount one of them, I can copy my files b ackupl to it, then unmount it prior to attemtping to upgrade my OS
[18:52] <Bashing-om> gobuki: is the execution bit set for the flash_tool.sh file ?
[18:52] <ppf> when you've booted the system the next time
[18:52] <gobuki> ioria: i did that before. i ran: xhost local:root
[18:52] <ppf> it shows you last boots journal
[18:52] <gobuki> after this the error changed
[18:53] <ppf> if you've enabled persistence, otherwise you have to enable that
[18:53] <callum> ppf: just in the middle of a backup will run it as soon as its done and let you know... hopefully youll be online still :P
[18:53] <gobuki> Bashing-om: yes, execution bit is set for every user
[18:54] <gobuki> -rwxr-xr-x 1 gobuki gobuki 253 Jun 15 20:30 flash_tool.sh
[18:54] <Curlyears> man, this upgrade attempt has been nothing but trouble
[18:54] <ioria> gobuki, is that specific of that app, or  any other root gui app behaves the same way ?
[18:54] <Bashing-om> gobuki: As the target file is in your /home, admin rights should not be required ... no ?
[18:55] <gobuki> good question, let my try
[18:55] <ioria> gobuki, e.g. gparted
[18:55] <gobuki> Bashing-om: i assumed it would need admin rights to find the device and write to it
[18:56] <gobuki> but i might be wrong
[18:56] <YADW> I built it from source manually patching the commits on github, and it works. I'm a f****n' savage. (Actually I'm not, but that's the feeling right now)
[18:56] <EriC^^> Curlyears: what does sudo parted -ls show?
[18:56] <gobuki> i tried sudo gnome-disks. It opens without errors.
[18:57] <ioria> gobuki, afaik, that does not requires sudo
[18:57] <Bashing-om> gobuki: 'Nother thought looking over the error messages, is this a Windows executable that you are attempting to run on a linux system ?
[18:57] <gobuki> Bashing-om: it might be a disguised windows tool
[18:58] <gobuki> i didn't check, but i guess you might be right
[18:58] <gobuki> ioria: ok, thanks for your input
[18:59] <Bashing-om> gobuki: Only a thought .. but looks likely :)
[18:59] <gobuki> Bashing-om: it's MediaTek tool
[18:59] <gobuki> +a
[18:59] <gobuki> makes it more likely if you ask me :-)
[19:01] <gobuki> mmh.. writen in qt, so i would guess there's no reason not to compile it for linux natively
[19:01] <Curlyears> mount: mount point tmpmount does not exist     j when I attempt to mount it with the filesystem type I discovered was, indeed ext4
[19:02] <Curlyears> I created an empty dir named "tmpmount" in my home directory for it.  The device name and the mountpoint are correct
[19:03] <ioria> gobuki, https://github.com/marazmista/radeon-profile/issues/8
[19:04] <nacc> Curlyears: please, use a pastebin.
[19:04] <nacc> Curlyears: show the exact command used, etc.
[19:04] <gobuki> ioria: looks promising
[19:06] <gobuki> ioria: yay. That solved the problem!
[19:06] <ioria> gobuki, lucky guy
[19:07] <ioria> qt is a nightmare for me
[19:07] <gobuki> totally. Thank you! :D
[19:07] <ioria> gobuki, no prob
[19:07] <Curlyears> according to sudo parted -l, both the 300TB drives are mounted, but I can see them in the filesystem tree.  I don't klnow what their names are
[19:08] <ioria> 300TB
[19:08] <nacc> ioria: 3TB, it's a typo
[19:08] <ioria> ok
[19:08] <nacc> Curlyears: again, use a pastebin!
[19:08] <Bashing-om> gobuki: filed away too for future reference :)
[19:08] <nacc> Curlyears: and I assume you meant to say you *can't* see them
[19:11] <gobuki> Bashing-om: do you know how to do it using a one liner?
[19:11] <Curlyears> I can't rmember how to install pastebin, and it isn';t installed in this 14.04 system
[19:12] <Curlyears> right, I cannot find them in the file tee
[19:12] <Curlyears> tree
[19:12] <ioria> Curlyears, sudo apt-get install pastebinit
[19:13] <gobuki> asked differently: is there a one line equivalent of "QT_X11_NO_MITSHM=1 /home/gobuki/Downloads/FlashToolLinux/flash_tool.sh" with sudo?
[19:14] <Bashing-om> gobuki: Above my skill set .
[19:14] <gobuki> Curlyears: you can use termbin if you have netcat :-)
[19:14] <nagycigi> háj
[19:14] <gobuki> Bashing-om: i don't believe it
[19:15] <Curlyears> for some reason, that apt-get install is stuck trying to open us.archive.ubuntu.com seems to be havuiinbg trouble makeing contact...it is just stalled at that point
[19:16] <Curlyears> the line begins by telling me 0%   (which is the percentage complete)
[19:16] <ioria> Curlyears, us repos are ok ... check your connection
[19:17] <NoCode> How do I disable Nouveau in 18.04?
[19:17] <Curlyears> ioria:  my Internet is just fine...I am talking with you over tyhe same connection
[19:18] <ioria> Curlyears, sudo apt-get update
[19:18] <Curlyears> never mind...it just too 4 minutes to transfer 14.9 Mbytes  (????)
[19:19] <Curlyears> OK....the I do what <command> | pastebinit, right?
[19:19] <ioria> Curlyears, yep,  sudo parted -l | pastebinit
[19:19] <leftyfb> NoCode: you could just leave it. If you've got your system set to use the nvidia drivers instead, then all will be fine
[19:20] <leftyfb> NoCode: also, it's discouraged to be cross-posting questions
[19:23] <Curlyears> URL for the output from sudo parted -l:  http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/jJd7RNWVBb/
[19:23] <danili_> Hey I have a problem with my wifi, it keeps disconnecting, it appeared suddenly. The message I get is: "Connection failed - Activation of network connection failed." and the info from the wireless script is here https://pastebin.com/6TziJBEk hope someone can see where my problem is? :)
[19:23] <leftyfb> NoCode: ok, you're being helped in #linux and are ignoring people helping you here. So please continue your correspondence there and discontinue asking for help here.
[19:24] <ioria> Curlyears, you have 2 3TB drives ,the 2° is without fs
[19:25] <ioria> or not
[19:25] <ioria> nacc,  http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/jJd7RNWVBb/  Curlyears paste
[19:26] <mborkar> how do i connect to a fedora channel ?
[19:27] <mborkar> seriously need help!
[19:27] <Curlyears> *IS* there a fedora, or a RedHat, channel?
[19:27] <mborkar> There should be
[19:29] <Curlyears> mborkar:  /join #fedora works just fine for me
[19:32] <ioria> Curlyears, what you wanna do with those 3tb drives ?
[19:33] <Curlyears> ioria:  at the moment, I want to store a 15.2 GB archive of my files, so I can upgrade from 14.01 to 18.04.  I will unmount the drives prior to doing gthe upgrade
[19:34] <EriC^^> Curlyears: why dont you clean install 18.04
[19:34] <ioria> Curlyears, df -h ,please
[19:35] <ioria> Curlyears, you have a crazy 25GB swap
[19:35] <Lope> i'm guessing that ubuntu livepatch consumes bandwidth whenever a patch is ready?
[19:35] <Curlyears> EriC^^:  I'd love to, b7ut I have alll these files.   I am tyrying to back them up so I canm do a clean installation of 18/04
[19:36] <Curlyears> Lope: it would only be logical
[19:36] <Lope> So if I sometimes use expensive 4G data I'm better off not enabling livepatch on my laptop, and rather running updates manually?
[19:36] <Lope> But for a server, livepatch is a good idea?
[19:36] <Curlyears> ioria:  yeah, I know.  I have 24GB of RAM
[19:36] <ioria> Curlyears, nuke it
[19:36] <Lus3r> hey
[19:37] <bipul> My /boot directory is full and it's showing me message. I'm not sure how it's getting full? And why i'm not able to update my repository with apt-get update?
[19:37] <Curlyears> ioria:  OK, but  how will that helpme with this current problem?
[19:37] <ioria> Curlyears, what's the problem ?
[19:38] <Curlyears> ioria:  I want to backup a 15.2 GB collection of personal data, so I can safely upgrade my system, from 14.04 to 18.94
[19:38] <Curlyears> 18.04  *blush*
[19:38] <oerheks> bipul, run apt autoremove to fix that
[19:38] <ioria> Curlyears, you cannot upgrade to 18.04 ,you need 16.04
[19:39] <ioria> Curlyears, and i asked you for   'df -h'
[19:39] <Curlyears> I don't have a USB thumb with sufficient capacity, and apparently writing BlueRay is not doable under 14.04, and I have discovered that my multimedia reader doesn't work with linux
[19:40] <Curlyears> ioria:  sorry missed that request
[19:40] <EriC^^> Curlyears: what's the appeal of upgrading? you'll spend twice the amount of traffic to upgrade all packages twice, and most likely end up with *something* broken
[19:40] <oerheks> bipul, and without details what repository, what ubuntu version, output in pastebin, nobody can help you :-D
[19:40] <oerheks> but you knew that
[19:41] <ioria> Curlyears, EriC^^  ... ^  14.04 -> 16.04 most traumatic upgrade in history
[19:41] <EriC^^> is it keeping the list of installed packages? you can always make a nifty list and autoinstall everything after the initial install is done
[19:41] <Curlyears> ioria:  http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/tf3FVcqtSm/
[19:41] <EriC^^> so much has changed from 14.04 to 18.04
[19:41] <nacc> ioria: thanks (was afk)
[19:42] <ioria> nacc, basically he wants to upgrade from 14.04 to 18.04 (?)  and backup personal files ...
[19:42] <nacc> right i remember
[19:42] <callum> is ppf still here?
[19:42] <nacc> Curlyears: ok, so we see the disks, what is the output of `mount` ?
[19:44] <Curlyears> Yes, I shall have to either do a fresh install with 18.04, or upgrade to 16/04 first
[19:44] <Curlyears> nacc:  http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/SSRVPsJmH4/
[19:44] <Curlyears> is it tmpfs?
[19:44] <nacc> Curlyears: ok, so your 250G hdd is mounted at /mediat/tkeller/c95beee.... while one of the 3TB disks is mounted at /
[19:45] <nacc> Curlyears: no, stop asking that
[19:45] <nacc> Curlyears: tmpfs is a ram-backed filesystem
[19:45] <nacc> Curlyears: it never has anything to do with your physical disks
[19:45] <Curlyears> which is apparently inaccessible
[19:46] <Curlyears> so where are the 3TB drives mounted?  What path gets me to them?
[19:46] <nacc> Curlyears: what is?
[19:46] <Curlyears> tmpfs
[19:46] <nacc> Curlyears: i *just* said, one of your 3TB disks is mounted at /
[19:46] <nacc> Curlyears: what are you talking about?
[19:46] <nacc> Curlyears: why are you talking about tmpfs.
[19:46] <Curlyears> n o, that is a 750GB SSD
[19:47] <Curlyears> mount
[19:47] <nacc> Curlyears: what is?
[19:47] <nacc> Curlyears: and *no*, it is not.
[19:47] <nacc> Curlyears: look at your `mount` output.
[19:47] <nacc> specifically, line 4 of the paste
[19:48] <EriC^^> Curlyears: can you paste "sudo parted -ls" ?
[19:48] <nacc> EriC^^: parted -l output: http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/jJd7RNWVBb/
[19:48] <nacc> fwiw
[19:48] <EriC^^> thanks
[19:48] <nacc> in any case, i think Curlyears is rather confused about what is actually happening
[19:49] <nacc> a 3TB disk is mounted at / and a 250GB SSD is mounted at /media/tkeller/c95...
[19:49] <nacc> there is no 750GB SSD
[19:49] <Curlyears> parted -ls output:  http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/V4PwQxYGds/
[19:50] <nacc> the second 3TB disk appears to have no filesystem on it, if I had to guess
[19:50] <Curlyears> nacc:  OK.   THen how do I c rate a filesystem on that second 3T drive?
[19:50] <nacc> Curlyears: why do you need to?
[19:50] <nacc> Curlyears: you keep moving the goalpost
[19:50] <Curlyears> and yes, I was extrmely confused
[19:51] <Lope> gnome3 sucks. It's too dumbed down.
[19:51] <callum> hey guys having an issue where my dell 7577 freezes on reboot or shutdown even with the live usb, here is the output of journalctl -b -1: https://paster.ubuntu.com/p/sz7K4vS5Xg is there anyone that can help me understand why its doing this?
[19:51] <callum> ** https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/sz7K4vS5Xg
[19:51] <Lope> What desktop environment should I use that can be configured to have a taskbar with windowlist specific to each monitor?
[19:51] <Curlyears> nacc:  no, the goalpostr has remained constant.  The PATH to that goalpost is changing.  My GOAL is still to back thayt 15.2 GB file collection off of my system disks, so I can safely upgrade witbout losing all my personal data
[19:52] <nacc> Curlyears: except you don't seem to know which disk has your data?
[19:52] <Curlyears> nacc:  yes, about that I was confused
[19:53] <Curlyears> hey, I'm just some knarly old 66 year old trying to keep my hand in the game, and not succeeded spectacularly
[19:53] <Curlyears> succeeding
[19:54] <EriC^^> why do you not want to clean upgrade?
[19:54] <nacc> Curlyears: do you plan on using the 3TB disks in your new install?
[19:55] <nacc> Curlyears: if the SSD was your old disk, it's mounted in /media/tkeller/c95...
[19:55] <nacc> Curlyears: take the data off of that and put it wherever you want in / (which is your 3TB disk)
[19:55] <nacc> then reinstall 18.04 on the ssd
[19:55] <Curlyears> nacc:   i'll use the, yes
[19:55] <EriC^^> Curlyears: type "cat /etc/fstab; sudo blkid" and pastebin
[19:56] <nacc> EriC^^: good call
[19:56] <nacc> EriC^^: although right now that will be the 3TB's fstab, not the normal disk, if it's possible they did a remount over
[19:57] <Curlyears> EriC^^:  perhaps I am not using correct terminology.  Apparently, to successfiully complete this upgrade, I must either A) back up  my datas, upgrade to 16.04, then immediately upgrade that 18.04, OR back my data off the system disks, and do a fresh install from the DVD (is this not what you are referring to as a "clean install?"
[19:58] <EriC^^> Curlyears: yeah, the clean install option will save you time energy and tears imho
[19:59] <EriC^^> Curlyears: can you run the commands i pasted above, i want to get an idea of what's going on, it's turning into x-files kind of stuff :D
[20:01] <Curlyears> EriC^^: http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/45gVPJmjns/    <-- cat  fstab output
[20:02] <EriC^^> Curlyears: thanks, that's sudo blkid, what about cat /etc/fstab ?
[20:03] <Curlyears> http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/JBrYNMppzP/
[20:04] <callum> hey having an issue where my dell 7577 freezes on reboot or shutdown even with the live usb, here is the output of journalctl -b -1: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/sz7K4vS5Xg
[20:04] <callum> is there anyone that can please help me understand why its doing this? i've read that it might be systemd causing the issue, i have to force a power off which we all know isnt good :(
[20:04] <EriC^^> Curlyears: ok, so you're booted into the 2nd install, which apparently isn't a standalone install? i'm just wondering how it boots with the gpt there and no bios-boot partition
[20:05] <EriC^^> or was there partitions before the 500mb mark that got deleted
[20:06] <lotuspsychje> callum: what about a sudo halt -p, would that work?
[20:06] <Curlyears> EriC^^:   a bit of history
[20:06] <callum> I'll give it a try quick lotuspsychje
[20:07] <EriC^^> Curlyears: anyways, as nacc said if the ssd has your data, it's mounted in /media/... copy those to wherever you want in "/" and go from there
[20:07] <lotuspsychje> callum: perhaps on shutdown also press F1 to see at wich step it freezes
[20:07] <callum> lotuspsychje, does the exact same thing freezes
[20:07] <lotuspsychje> hmm
[20:07] <callum> ok will try now
[20:07] <lotuspsychje> callum: see at wich line exactly with F1
[20:07] <Curlyears> about 2 months ago an app I use (FreeCAD, which autoupdates daily) sent me an update requet, which I approved.  At the end of the update session, the machine said it had to reboot to complete the process.  I permitted it to do so.
[20:08] <EriC^^> Curlyears: if you want to make the /dev/sdb a standalone install you can create a 1mb bios-boot partition using cgdisk and run sudo grub-install /dev/sdb && sudo update-grub
[20:08] <lotuspsychje> callum: wich ubuntu version is this?
[20:09] <Curlyears> from that time on, I could not log into the system.  Ity is caught in a permanent hard loop.  I see the logiun prompt, I type my login and myy  password, the screen blanks, sits for about 5 secondfs, the redisplays the login request, over and over.
[20:09] <callum> lotuspsychje, 18.04
[20:09] <EriC^^> Curlyears: oh
[20:10] <Curlyears> I discovered relatively recently that when I try to start linux up, I get aa cli screen which offers me a choice of how to boot:  into the main system, and several altern atives, one of which is this 1404 system, whic h I didn't even know I had on here
[20:10] <Curlyears> this is how I fins myself in the predicament I am in
[20:10] <Curlyears> 's/fins/find/
[20:10] <EriC^^> ah i see
[20:12] <EriC^^> Curlyears: what does "stat -c %u /media/tkeller/c95bee2a-df47-4cb8-858a-e806119bf55e/home/*/.Xauthority" give?
[20:12] <lotuspsychje> callum: ok, good system up to date also?
[20:12] <callum> indeed, however i will run and upgrade now to make sure
[20:13] <Curlyears> EriC^^:   1000
[20:13] <callum> did you see the journal pastebin?
[20:13] <EriC^^> looks right
[20:13] <lotuspsychje> callum: yeah im lookin at it now
[20:13] <callum> lotuspsychje, ^^^
[20:13] <EriC^^> Curlyears: what about "cat /media/tkeller/c95bee2a-df47-4cb8-858a-e806119bf55e/var/log/Xorg.0.log"
[20:14] <lotuspsychje> callum: alot of weird things going on there, have you tryed an nivida driver instead of nouveau?
[20:15] <Curlyears> EriC^^:   http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/XhJPFTxVmK/
[20:15] <callum> i can switch and see after the apt upgrade
[20:15] <callum> lotuspsychje, ^^
[20:15] <callum> sorry lotuspsychje keep forgetting to tag you lol
[20:16] <lotuspsychje> callum: yeah please try as test mate, you never know
[20:17] <callum> fingers crossed lotuspsychje
[20:17] <lotuspsychje> callum: see also if you can see F1 textboot, to see wich step fails/lags
[20:18] <EriC^^> Curlyears: looks like some glx version problems and whatnot
[20:18] <lotuspsychje> callum: text shutdown i mean
[20:18] <callum> do i press f1 on boot? the check the log as it load lotuspsychje
[20:18] <lotuspsychje> callum: when you shutdown, then you can also F1
[20:19] <lotuspsychje> callum: so hopefully if it freezes you can see where
[20:19] <EriC^^> Curlyears: anyways, as i said earlier you can copy your stuff to "/" or if you want to use the 2nd 3tb hdd you can create a partition and filesystem using "gparted" and mount it using the filemanager
[20:19] <callum> ok cool will try might be hard thou considering that it freezes as soon as i press shutdown
[20:19] <callum> will definatyl try thou lotuspsychje
[20:19] <lotuspsychje> ok
[20:19] <callum> just waiting on the upgrade
[20:19] <EriC^^> Curlyears: your stuff should be in /media/tkeller/c95bee2a-df47-4cb8-858a-e806119bf55e/home/<your username>
[20:20] <Curlyears> so I would ghparted /media<whatever> etc?
[20:21] <nacc> Curlyears: why would you gparted it? just get your data off of it
[20:21] <Curlyears> nacc:  I am lopoking for somewhere to PUT my data, as a backup[
[20:22] <nacc> Curlyears: your data is on your /media mounted disk. If you edi the partitions of that disk, you will lose the data.
[20:22] <nacc> Curlyears: you have a 3TB disk mounted at /
[20:22] <nacc> Curlyears: i seriously think you might want to learn the basics here
[20:23] <Curlyears> nacc:  right   I am wantiing to build an FS on the second 3TB drive, and then move a copy of my data to it, then uhnmoutn it porioor to the install
[20:23] <Curlyears> if it is not mounted when I run the install DVD, the install should nnot have any way to damage my data
[20:23] <nacc> Curlyears: ok, then use parted on /dev/sdc, make partitions and filesystem as you want, then mount the appropriate /dev/sdc partitiona nd copy data to ti
[20:24] <nacc> Curlyears: uh, your mounted state in your running ubuntu OS has nothing to do with what is mounted in the DVD
[20:24] <nacc> again, learn the basics!
[20:24] <Curlyears> nacc:  OK....a little help with the syntax for that, please?
[20:24] <oerheks> disk utility can do that fine, in your live session
[20:25] <nacc> wait, no live session yet.
[20:25] <nacc> Curlyears: syntax for what exactly?
[20:25] <Curlyears> right, when I run the installer off the DVD, it has NO path to a disk tha is not m ounted.  Since I want to use all three disks eventually I will use this to protect my data back from the installer
[20:26] <nacc> Curlyears: you are talking sort of gibberish
[20:26] <Curlyears> nacc:   making a filesyste, on the second 3TB drive
[20:26] <nacc> Curlyears: the installer can do wahtever you tell it do
[20:26] <Curlyears> nacc:  of course it can, but I won't ask it to DO anything with that device
[20:26] <nacc> Curlyears: ok, that has nothing to do with what is 'mounted' in the installer
[20:27] <oerheks> when one has more than 1 hdd, always use the custom button to select the proper hdd or make changes
[20:27] <Curlyears> nacc: apologies, again my terminology may be incorrect.
[20:27] <Curlyears> oerheks:  right, I do know that, at least  :)
[20:28] <oerheks> but the current 18.04 installer is pretty smart
[20:29] <Curlyears> so, again,, what do I do to create a FS on this 3TB drive:   ?
[20:30] <Curlyears> gparted <devname> <fstype>?
[20:30] <nacc> Curlyears: you first create a partition, that's what gparted is
[20:30] <nacc> *is for
[20:30] <nacc> then you create a filessystem with mkfs.<fstype>
[20:31] <Curlyears> OKI, then.  *MAYBE* I understand this well wnough to get it one, now.   Thank you all for your patience with me, I knnow it must have been uncomfortable
[20:32] <memphisto> Curlyears: where are you from ?
[20:32] <Curlyears> memphisto:  are you asking where I am from, or where I live now?
[20:32] <memphisto> from
[20:32] <Curlyears> (sowwy, we Aspies are nitpicky about issues like that small difference)
[20:33] <Curlyears> I am FROMO San Francisco.  I am currently in Lincoln, Nebraska.
[20:34] <memphisto> ok, i though you are from bulgaria...and i know some bulgarian
[20:35] <Curlyears> memphisto:  no, the only languages I speak other than American English ar C, Pascal, Fortrash, and a varieyty of assemblers
[20:35] <memphisto> polyglot
[20:36] <lotuspsychje> memphisto Curlyears please stay ontopic here
[20:36] <memphisto> yes, sorry
[20:36] <Curlyears> oh, I sort of speak bash, I guess, if you consider bash a "language"
[20:36] <MibixFox> Do any of you guys use the Canonical livepatch?
[20:36] <MibixFox> does it work pretty well?
[20:36] <Jonta> Yes
[20:36] <Curlyears> OK.   I am out of here to rry what I have leqarned.   BCNU
[20:36] <Jonta> Dunno
[20:37] <leftyfb> MibixFox: that sounds like an #ubuntu-offtopic question
[20:37] <MibixFox> it is official?
[20:37] <MibixFox> i thought
[20:39] <tomreyn> it's official, but 'does anyone' polls are off topic
[20:39] <k4dm3l> Hello everyone!
[20:39] <lotuspsychje> k4dm3l: welcome to ubuntu support, how can we help you?
[20:39] <k4dm3l> does ubuntu server supports embedded media stream like Wowza?
[20:40] <leftyfb> k4dm3l: ubuntu server is an operating system
[20:40] <k4dm3l> yes, I was thinking on embedded module from kernel
[20:40] <k4dm3l> without need of compiling it
[20:40] <ikonia> streaming is not a kernal module
[20:40] <ikonia> it's an app
[20:40] <ikonia> you need to pick the app that supports the method/approach you want
[20:40] <ikonia> install and configure it
[20:40] <ikonia> it's not a kernel function
[20:41] <k4dm3l> @ikonia thanks!
[20:41] <oerheks> wowza is paid stuff
[20:41] <oerheks> lolz
[20:41] <k4dm3l> yes, its paid
[20:41] <k4dm3l> I was discussin it with a partner
[20:41] <k4dm3l> just need a second opinion
[20:41] <k4dm3l> thank you so much guys
[20:41] <oerheks> then you get great support.
[20:42] <leftyfb> :/
[20:42] <leftyfb> what just happened?
[20:43] <MibixFox> tomreyn:  ahh ok
[20:47] <callum> hey lotuspsychje, the nvidia driver fixed the issue....
[20:47] <lotuspsychje> !yay | callum
[20:48] <callum> it the nvidia driver stable? lotuspsychje
[20:48] <lotuspsychje> callum: perhaps consider make a new !bug for nouveau then, describing whats happening to your system?
[20:48] <callum> thanks ubottu
[20:48] <callum> good idea lotuspsychje
[20:48] <callum> where do i log it lotuspsychje
[20:48] <lotuspsychje> callum: from a terminal: ubuntu-bug nouveau
[20:49] <lotuspsychje> callum: it will transfer you to launchpad, and this way you will help the community
[20:50] <callum> shall do lotuspsychje  thanks again!
[20:50] <lotuspsychje> np mate
[20:55] <bipul> I'm using 16.04.4 LTS , and unable to update it. Please find the apt-update verbose here https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/zMCN5rHqGH/
[20:56] <bipul> What could be the reason? Anyone? I do have proper internet connectivity.
[20:56] <BillGHero> I'm using 18.04 LTS, and it worked before. But now I cannot get into the login screen.
[20:57] <lotuspsychje> bipul: you have external ppa's added to your system
[20:57] <ikonia> bipul: so that indian repo is not responding
[20:57] <ikonia> it will time out
[20:57] <bipul> lotuspsychje, How do you know that?
[20:57] <ikonia> ....its in the paste
[20:58] <compdoc> bipul, its also trying to use ipv6 addresses. does that work on your network?
[20:58] <lotuspsychje> bipul: perhaps the #ubuntu-mirror guys can sort that indian repo
[20:58] <bipul> compdoc, Nops i'm on ipv4
[20:58] <lotuspsychje> #ubuntu-mirrors sorry
[20:58] <ikonia> there are ipv4 translation/gateway services on most ISP's
[20:59] <ikonia> so just because you're using IPv4 doesn't mean you can't talk to ipv6
[20:59] <bipul> ikonia, Okay :)
[21:00] <compdoc> so stop it from using ipv6, because obviously, you dont have a  ipv4 translation/gateway service
[21:01] <WallnutMage> hi guys ! anyone?
[21:01] <lotuspsychje> WallnutMage: ask a question first?
[21:01] <ikonia> anyone what ?
[21:01] <WallnutMage> Ik (im new so i dont know the rules)
[21:02] <WallnutMage> Ok
[21:02] <ikonia> anyone what ?
[21:02] <BillGHero> In Ubuntu 18.04 how can I find out why gdm is not displaying the login screen?
[21:02] <ikonia> BillGHero: look at the gdm log ?
[21:02] <leftyfb> WallnutMage: what do you need help with?
[21:03] <WallnutMage> Sry i was looking for another serv.
[21:03] <WallnutMage> Bye
[21:03] <BillGHero> Is there a logical way to determine the location of the gdm log?
[21:06] <Bashing-om> BillGHero: check ' /var/log/gdm3/gcm3.log' . I am on lightdm .. so can not check for exactly gdm3 .
[21:07] <Bashing-om> gcm.log/gdm3*
[21:10] <Curlyears> heigh hough again!
[21:10] <BillGHero> Bashing-om: Folder exists, but nothing there.
[21:11] <Curlyears> nacc:   I got the following error message when attempting to create a fileasystem on that 3T drive:>  mkfs.ext4: invalid blocks 'acpi' on device '/dev/sdc'
[21:11] <ikonia> put the file system on a partition
[21:11] <Curlyears> I did successfully create a partition on it
[21:11] <ikonia> not the device
[21:11] <ikonia> then put the file system on the parttiion, not the disk
[21:12] <Curlyears> how do I "put the filesystem on a partition?" explicityly?  I see no option for identifying a partition in the gparted hgelp
[21:12] <nacc> Curlyears: what was the exact command you used?
[21:12] <ikonia> sdc is the disk
[21:12] <Bashing-om> BillGHero: What are you looking for ? maybe in your /home in .xsession-errors ??
[21:12] <ikonia> sdc(1,2,3,4-whatever) is the partition
[21:12] <Curlyears> nacc:    sudo mkfs -t ext4 /dev/sdc max
[21:12] <nacc> Curlyears: that would be wrong.
[21:13] <nacc> Curlyears: as per ikonia's messges
[21:13] <Curlyears> obviously
[21:13] <Curlyears> so I want sdc1, then?
[21:13] <nacc> it depends on what you told parted and what partition you want to use
[21:14] <Curlyears> I made a single partitio0n of type ext4, with the maximum size gparted would permit me to do
[21:14] <rick111> im back. and i have finally snapped. Im way in over my head messing with ubuntu. This OS is going to cause me an untimely death. I am switching back to windows but i cant even do that now. Im totallly screwed
[21:14] <rainbowwarrior> hello, how can i install boot-repair in ubuntu 18.10 please?
[21:14] <rick111> since i nuked my entire drive to install ubuntu
[21:14] <nacc> Curlyears: you are confusing two things
[21:14] <nacc> Curlyears: you create a partition with gparted/parted
[21:14] <ikonia> rick111: then re-install windows and use windows
[21:14] <nacc> Curlyears: you create a filesystem separately
[21:15] <nacc> rainbowwarrior: 18.10? you want #ubuntu+1
[21:15] <rainbowwarrior> thank you nacc
[21:15] <Curlyears> ]\nacc:  yes, gparted first, then mkfs.   the nkfs command I isssued was:   sudo mkfs -t ext4 /dev/sdc max
[21:16] <rick111> ikonia: there is the rub. its very difficult to do that. i cant just pop the windows cd in and install it from start up. i have to jump through alot of technical hoops. right?
[21:16] <nacc> Curlyears: yes, and you've been told that is the wrong mkfs
[21:16] <nacc> rick111: if you hvae the windows cd, what hoops do you think you need to jump through?
[21:16] <Curlyears> yes, I have.   I am assuming you meanm my parameters were incoirrect?
[21:16] <BillGHero> Bashing-om: My problem is that I have a box that was running 18.04 fine till today. Now it will not complete boot into the gdm login screen. No useful warning messages.
[21:16] <ikonia> rick111: no, you can just put the windows CD in and install it
[21:16] <rick111> ikonia: hmm lets see. brb
[21:16] <nacc> Curlyears: yes, again, you need to specify a partition to use not a full disk
[21:17] <ikonia> rick111: if you need help installing windows the ##windows channel can help
[21:17] <Curlyears> nacc in gparted, I created ONE partition consisting of the entire disk.  Hoiw do I specify that to mkfs?
[21:18] <nacc> Curlyears: that would be /dev/sdc1
[21:18] <Curlyears> that's what I asked.  (well, I said /sdc1 rather than /dec/sdc1, to honest and accirate)
[21:19] <Curlyears> s.dec.dev/
[21:19] <Bashing-om> BillGHero: Broke graphics driver ?  sudo lshw -C display . from the crl+alt+f2 console .
[21:19] <nacc> Curlyears: i didn't see that, becuase you didn't use my nick
[21:20] <Curlyears> nacc:>  apologies.   *blush*  must remember to tag people in this channel
[21:20] <Curlyears> OK, off I go to do it right this time
[21:22] <BillGHero> Bashing-om: lshw~ command runs fine. displays info on gpu. Anything in particular that I should expect to see?
[21:24] <Curlyears> nacc:  where can I look up the number of blocks on that partition?"
[21:24] <Bashing-om> BillGHero: looking at the configuration line for what driver is loaded if any .
[21:24] <Curlyears> I tried gparted. but all it says is 273.1GiB
[21:26] <nacc> Curlyears: why do you need that?
[21:26] <Callek> hey, so I have installed the snap `gron` which is a thing to help parse/understand json (useful for diffs) I can pipe to gron and it works, but if I try to load a local .json I get "open <file>: no such file or directory" as an error message -- is this a limitation of snaps, or is there a way I can tell the system that gron is ok to access external to its
[21:26] <Callek> sandbox, etc?
[21:27] <BillGHero> Bashin-om: 'driver=nvidia' should mean the proprietary driver is in use, I assume?
[21:27] <Curlyears> because mkfs doesn't work without it (at least, the -h message says you're supposed to supply thre size in blocks)
[21:27] <nacc> Curlyears: if gron is confined, then it can't see your filesystem by default
[21:27] <nacc> bah sorry, Callek --^
[21:28] <Curlyears> nacc:  gron?
[21:28] <Callek> nacc: as not-the-author of gron, is there a way to unconfine it?
[21:28] <nacc> Callek: you can put stuff in ~/snap/gron/common/
[21:28] <nacc> Callek: no
[21:28] <nacc> Curlyears: sorry, wrong nick.
[21:28] <Bashing-om> BillGHero: correct .. next then as a short cut .. ' ls -al .ICEauthority .Xauthority ' to rule out the simple things .
[21:28] <nacc> Curlyears: you don't need to pass any arguments to mkfs normally
[21:29] <Callek> nacc: is there a doc I can point the author/maintainer of the gron snap to, in order to make it unconfined?
[21:29] <Curlyears> nacc if you pass no arguments, it comes up and promtps you for inform,ation it needs? (like device)
[21:29] <Callek> (I'd need to determine who that is and how they want bug reports of course)
[21:29] <nacc> Curlyears: uh, clearly you are passing it the device
[21:29] <nacc> Curlyears: you were before, i don't know why you aren't now
[21:30] <nacc> Curlyears: and for hte last time, use a pastebin to show what you're doing, this is ridiculous
[21:30] <nacc> Callek: 'classic' snaps are not confined
[21:30] <BillGHero> Bashing-om: can that be done from any location? Right now I get no such file or directory for both.
[21:30] <nacc> Callek: `snap info gron` gives contact info
[21:30] <krukudilo> Curlyears, sudo fdisk -l
[21:30] <Curlyears> nacc:   OK...so device and filesystem type are all I need to pass  it?
[21:30] <nacc> Curlyears: yes, most likely
[21:30] <nacc> krukudilo: please no
[21:30] <nacc> Callek: more than likely they are confined with good intention
[21:31] <nacc> Callek: btw, have you tried just using jq for your json stuff?
[21:31] <Callek> nacc: possibly, but in this gron case I  feel it may have been an omission.
[21:31] <Callek> nacc: yea I use jq and gron both, gron is easier for this current use case of mine
[21:31] <Callek> (I can work around it by merely piping though, so all is not lost)
[21:32] <nacc> Callek: may be true, hard to say
[21:32] <nacc> (the omission or not)
[21:33] <Bashing-om> BillGHero: from that F2 console the PWD should be your /home and in this are the 2 authorization files that "you" should own and be grouped to .
[21:33] <Callek> nacc: yep, thanks
[21:34] <Curlyears> OK...file system successfully (?) created, but how do I cr4eate my first dir on the file system?
[21:35] <Jonta> mkdir?
[21:35] <BillGHero> Bashing-om: There is .ICEauthority, and I own it. No .Xauthority file.
[21:35] <Jkcg> Hello people
[21:35] <Jonta> Hi
[21:36] <Jkcg> I have a PowerMac cube I just found for 10 dollars
[21:36] <nacc> Curlyears: what do you mean?
[21:36] <nacc> Curlyears: you mount the disk and use it like anything else
[21:36] <nacc> Jkcg: not ontopic for this channel
[21:36] <nacc> Jkcg: or are you asking if Ubuntu will support it?
[21:36] <Curlyears> Jonta:  where?   Oh, wait.  I created a file system, but I still have to mount it to acc ess it correctlty, right
[21:36] <Jkcg> Yes
[21:36] <Jkcg> I am asking if ubuntu will support it
[21:36] <Jonta> Give it a try?
[21:37] <Jkcg> Well, it has a 450mhz and 1gb of ram
[21:37] <Jkcg> What ubuntu version would you recommend?
[21:37] <Jonta> I think it's more a question of what Desktop Environment or Window Manager
[21:37] <Curlyears> Jkcg:  not enough RAM....the new 18.04 wants at least 2GB
[21:38] <Jonta> Jkcg: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PowerPCFAQ
[21:38] <Jkcg> Well
[21:38] <Jkcg> I can upgrade it to two gb of ram
[21:38] <Jkcg> But it is a powerpc g4
[21:38] <Jkcg> On 450 mhz
[21:38] <Jkcg> Given that is power pc
[21:39] <Jkcg> What would you recommend me to do?
[21:39] <Jonta> Lubuntu could be worth a try
[21:39] <Jonta> Lower sysreqs: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/SystemRequirements
[21:40] <Jkcg> Lubuntu with xfce?
[21:40] <Jkcg> It is lots?
[21:41] <Jkcg> Lts ? *
[21:42] <Jonta> Lubuntu is Ubuntu with LXDE as default DE
[21:42] <Jonta> Are you on a Ubuntu-computer right now?
[21:42] <Jkcg> Fedora
[21:43] <Jonta> Alright. Try installing LXDE, and using that a bit
[21:43] <Jonta> That'll give you a feel for what different DEs do
[21:43] <Jonta> And yes: LTS: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu#Lubuntu_vs_Ubuntu
[21:43] <Jkcg> Would it run well in the hardware I gave you detail Jonta?
[21:43] <Jkcg> I mean
[21:44] <Jkcg> I can upgrade the ram to two gb
[21:44] <Jonta> It should run fine
[21:44] <Jkcg> And if you tell me it can run decently, I can even throw a SSD
[21:44] <Jkcg> But the 450 mhz processor and the powerpc architecture itself
[21:44] <Jonta> Sysreqs on pages I've linked to. You're well within the limits
[21:45] <nacc> do you really need a desktop? I mean, it's going to be a slow machine
[21:45] <Jkcg> Well nacc
[21:46] <Jkcg> I know what you are trying to tell, but for the price I received it
[21:46] <Jkcg> I would like to fix it and make it a good machine
[21:46] <nacc> Jkcg: what does the price have to do with the performance?
[21:46] <nacc> Jkcg: depends on what you mean by 'good'
[21:46] <Jkcg> Nothing
[21:46] <Jkcg> Price mean nothing
[21:46] <Ridley5> hi all
[21:46] <Jonta> Hi
[21:46] <Jkcg> It's the form factor that drives me mad
[21:47] <Jkcg> By good I mean light browsing
[21:47] <Bashing-om> BillGHero: Still with us ? status ?
[21:47] <Ridley5> my wifi Bit Rate is locked at 1 Mb/s
[21:47] <Ridley5> my wifi signal is very weak
[21:47] <Ridley5> anyone can help me please
[21:47] <Jkcg> Well
[21:47] <Jonta> Ridley5: Is it weak on other devices?
[21:47] <nacc> Jkcg: also, powerpc was removed in 17.04
[21:47] <BillGHero> Bashing-om: There is .ICEauthority, and I own it. No .Xauthority file.
[21:48] <Ridley5> no on my mobile it's good jonta
[21:48] <Curlyears> my backup data is now being moved to the 3TB drive!   *&**YAY***
[21:48] <Jkcg> I don know if it has to do with the router itself Ridley5
[21:48] <Jkcg> Has you tried openwrt?
[21:48] <Jkcg> Lede?
[21:48] <nacc> Jkcg: and 16.04 lubuntu is only supported through next year
[21:48] <Ridley5> the connection was good since i updated my Ubuntu 16.04LTS
[21:48] <Curlyears> query:  since my BlueRay drive won't write DVDs under 14.04,a will it write normal DVD-writables?
[21:49] <nacc> Jonta: fyi, lts is not the same timeline for all releasese
[21:49] <Bashing-om> Jkcg: My experience with lubuntu with 1 Gig of ram .. will run but lags a bit .
[21:49] <nacc> Jonta: err, all flavors, i meant
[21:50] <Curlyears> nacc: query:  since my BlueRay drive won't write DVDs under 14.04,a will it write normal DVD-writables?
[21:50] <Bashing-om> BillGHero: Have you ever accessed the GUI ? not activating a GUI will explain why there is no .Xauthority file .
[21:54] <BillGHero> Bashing-om: I did use the gnome desktop for several weeks after the clean Install. This is a new issue. Yesterday the GUI came up. Today it stopped at the terminal screen and appeared to hang...
[21:55] <BillGHero> Bashing-om: I managed to get it up just now by removing the proprietary driver, and reinstalling nouveau. Still no clue what was actually wrong though.
[21:55] <nacc> Curlyears: i don't know what you mean -- it won't write DVDs so you want to know if it will write DVDs?
[21:57] <Curlyears> nacc:  no, it won't write BlueRay discs. Apparently BlueRay requires special support in addition to the normal DVD stiuff (in software, that is)
[21:58] <Bashing-om> BillGHero: Mystery then to me why the file is removed ... We can try re-creating and see what results ? As that file must exist in order for "you" to access the desktop . - you can verify this is the issue here by activating the guest account and see if in this account the GUI is active .
[21:59] <neoncontrails> Hmm. As instructed by SO I've run "dpkg -l libgtk2.0-0 libgtk-3-0" to check my gtk version (which I understand to be a prerequisite to figuring out how to shrink the size of the top bar). I see "ii" next to libgtk-3.0:amd64, libgtk2.0-0:amd64, and "rc" next to the :i386 versions of the same. How do I interpret this?
[21:59] <Bashing-om> BillGHero: Great on getting it up .. I run nouveau here too .. does well for me .
[22:00] <Jonta> nacc: TIL
[22:00] <neoncontrails> I also see a gtk-4.0 directory in ~/.config...
[22:01] <BillGHero> Bashin-om: Maybe good for you. But It cannot make proper use of my card (it's a nvidia 770). But thank you for the help so far.
[22:02] <Curlyears> ]ah, well.  I ghuess I'll juist have to tryit
[22:02] <Bashing-om> neoncontrails: 'ii' == desired (installed) and the status is also (installed_ // 'rc' removed but config files remain .
[22:02] <nacc> Curlyears: i have no idea, you said DVD twice
[22:03] <Curlyears> I thought I said "BlueRay" and then DVD
[22:03] <sodhi> How do I debug a 'make' gone wrong while compiling xmlrpc? I get the error: "/bin/bash: libxmlrpc_util.a: command not found" which leads me to believe there's a newline somewhere there isn't meant to be one.
[22:03] <Curlyears> nacc:  I am totally exhausted vfrom getting that 3T drive working, I may not be communicating well
[22:03] <Bashing-om> BillGHero: K. we re-install nvidia :) .. efi machine and is secure boot disabled ?
[22:05] <BillGHero> Bashin-om: is an EFI machine. I don't recall installing secure boot. I did select the encrypted-disk and lvm though.
[22:06] <neoncontrails> Bashing-om: Interesting. Does that output sound as strange to you as it does to me? i386 isn't my architecture.
[22:06] <Bashing-om> BillGHero: Well, the nvidia driver is 3rd party . and as such secure boot in the firmware must be disabled to install the driver .
[22:06] <nacc> neoncontrails: it depends on if you ever tried to install soemthing that needed 32-bit support for those libs
[22:07] <Bashing-om> neoncontrails: some apps are 32 bit .. and will have to have the 32 bit libs . Only you can say what apps you have installed .
[22:07] <neoncontrails> nacc: I see. For the purposes of figuring out how to shrink the top bar, what clues does my output suggest to you?
[22:09] <neoncontrails> I see some posts that say this is a property managed by gdk, others that it's a property of the gnome theme that I'm using (Numix)
[22:09] <nacc> neoncontrails: 'shrink the top bar'?
[22:09] <nacc> neoncontrails: i have no idea, sorry
[22:09] <kk4ewt> neoncontrails,  have you googled resize top bar on $"Desktop Environment)
[22:09] <neoncontrails> No worries. Me either :)
[22:10] <neoncontrails> kk4ewt: yes. Several suggested it is a gdk property, which led me to trying to diagnose what my gdk version is. I guess I have two gdk versions installed simultaneously?
[22:11] <nacc> neoncontrails: gtk and gdk are different things
[22:11] <neoncontrails> Sorry, you're right. Gtk
[22:11] <BillGHero> Bashing-om: It should be disabled already, since it ran with the proprietary drivers for 2 weeks, and I never activated it. Any advice for which version of driver I should use?
[22:12] <neoncontrails> In any case the answer is not as straightforward as other gnome configuration settings I've been able to tweak to my liking
[22:12] <kk4ewt> neoncontrails,  i suspect you may have to edit a config file by hand
[22:13] <neoncontrails> kk4ewt: that's fine, if I could figure out which one... :)
[22:13] <Bashing-om> BillGHero: Sure - we can verify the recommended driver ( autoinstall is real smart though ). Pastebin - lspci -k|grep -iEA5 'vga|3d' - . will cross reference from that .
[22:13] <neoncontrails> I just created a gtk.css in ~/.config/gtk-3.0 and I'm going to reboot to see what happens. Brb!
[22:20] <Bashing-om> BillGHero: By the way, here is the log file of what the manager thinks: /var/log/gpu-manager.log .
[22:23] <BillGHero> Bashing-om: That is weird. There is a line in that log stating that nouveau is blacklisted. But I am using it right now on that box.
[22:24] <BillGHero> Bashing-om: https://pastebin.com/6p0xwFGm
[22:25] <Bashing-om> BillGHero: That is wierd - have you rebooted since installing nouveau ? Maybe that log is old info ?
[22:26] <BillGHero> Bashing-om: It was rebooted since installing. But I can try it again if you think it is worth it to see.
[22:28] <Bashing-om> BillGHero: And nope you have no driver loaded at this time. for reference my output : http://termbin.com/yrc0 .
[22:29] <BillGHero> Bashing-om: Oh, so I must be using a fall-back module in the kernel?
[22:31] <Bashing-om> BillGHero: ya want the 390 version driver: http://www.nvidia.com/download/driverResults.aspx/134859/en-us //  Correct - if ya want to look and see what X is doing '
[22:32] <Bashing-om> BillGHero: ' cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log ' .
[22:38] <BillGHero> Bashing-om: Would you recommend I try the Ubuntu package again, or try one from the nVidia website?
[22:44] <Bashing-om> BillGHero: from nvidia " Note that many Linux distributions provide their own packages of the NVIDIA Linux Graphics Driver in the distribution's native package management format. This may interact better with the rest of your distribution's framework, and you may want to use this rather than NVIDIA's official package."
[22:46] <Bashing-om> BillGHero: nvidia and our developers do work very close together :) repo is the preferred install method !
[22:53] <Bashing-om> BillGHero: what shows for ' apt list nvidia-384 ' ? - I am thinking you have 18.04 installed ?
[22:55] <oerheks> sudo ubuntu-drivers list
[22:55] <BillGHero> Bashing-om: The box was using 390, before I removed it in order to get to the GUI desktop.
[22:55] <oerheks> sudo ubuntu-drivers devices
[22:56] <oerheks> or go wild with autoinstall
[22:59] <BillGHero> Bashing-om: I just finished installing the nvidia-390 from the official ppa. There is a nvidia-384/bionic 390.67-0ubuntu0~gpu18.04.1 amd64
[23:00] <Bashing-om> BillGHero: That too from the PPA is a good option :)
[23:16] <pnwise> ughh I am running 18.04, and my ttys are gone
[23:16] <pnwise> ls -lha /dev/tty
[23:16] <pnwise> crw-rw-rw- 1 root tty 5, 0 Jun 16 02:11 /dev/tty
[23:16] <pnwise> just one, they should be 7
[23:17] <Bashing-om> pnwise: No . mine : sysop@x1810:/$ ls -lha /dev/tty
[23:17] <Bashing-om> crw-rw-rw- 1 root tty 5, 0 Jun 15 17:26 /dev/tty
[23:18] <pnwise> so what do you mean with "no"?
[23:18] <pnwise> seems like yours are the same
[23:18] <pnwise> do you run gnome?
[23:19] <Bashing-om> pnwise: this particular time I am on xfce .
[23:20] <pnwise> ugh that is strange, btw switching while it boots it works with ctrl+alt+f{1-7}
[23:20] <pnwise> but I get locked with balck screen
[23:20] <pnwise> I don't think this is normal
[23:22] <pnwise> let me try gnome
[23:24] <BillGHero> Bashing-om: So, when I finally finshed the install I am back to not being able to get to the GUI shell.
[23:25] <Bashing-om> BillGHero: Well ! ..let's see if we can find out the why . pastebin ' cat /var/log/gpu-manager.log ' to see what the manager has to relate .
[23:26] <pnwise> Bashing-om, same thing with gnome
[23:26] <pnwise> Am I stupid or this is bug?
[23:27] <Bashing-om> pnwise: driver issue .. a black screen ?? .. what is the graphic's chip set ?
[23:27] <pnwise> there is 6 ttys defined  /etc/default/console-setup
[23:27] <Bashing-om> !nomodeset | pnwise
[23:27] <BillGHero> Bashing-om: Do you know if there is a way to paste-bin without a browser?
[23:27] <pnwise> No I mean that there should be 6 ttys
[23:28] <pnwise> but there is none
[23:28] <pnwise> how is that related to driver issue?
[23:28] <pnwise> You have the same thing, you shouldn't have just one tty in dev
[23:28] <oerheks> command | nc termbin.com 9999
[23:29] <Bashing-om> BillGHero: Ouch ! .. Never been there .. I am sure there is a way .. but, presently I do not know how .
[23:30] <oerheks> ls /dev/tty*
[23:31] <Bashing-om> oerheks: Yuk on me .. just how deep is my tunnel vision :P
[23:43] <BillGHero> Bashing-om: https://imgur.com/a/aQNV5Vi
[23:43] <Bashing-om> boxmein: reading.
[23:48] <Bashing-om> BillGHero: Hummm .. I expected to see " Found "/dev/dri/card0", driven by "nouveau"
[23:49] <Bashing-om> boxmein: Yuk .. my paste messed up ^ . anyway .. I do not see where the nvidia driver is found . Are you for sure and certaun that "secure boot " is disabled ?
[23:49] <BillGHero> Bashing-om: The nouveau driver was blacklisted, possibly by the installer when I first used nvidia proprietary.
[23:50] <Bashing-om> BillGHero: ignore the driven by "nouveau" - that is my result where I had expected to see your nvidia driver in that place .
[23:53] <Bashing-om> BillGHero: My result for reference: http://termbin.com/es4bw .
[23:55] <Bashing-om> BillGHero: I have to be away for a goodly spell .. Grass on the lawn is getting out of hand and I must attend to mowing .
[23:56] <BillGHero> Bashing-om: Ok. Thanks for the help.
[23:58] <coldpresent> hey all, openssl can specify number of days a mokutil key is valid for
[23:59] <coldpresent> if i specify 10000 days, is the key accepted by mokutil?
[23:59] <artu1> now on ub 8:)