[15:31] <eagles0513875> hi hi 
[15:31] <eagles0513875> ErichEickmeyer: heyo
[15:31] <eagles0513875> :D
[15:31] <ErichEickmeyer> eagles0513875: Nice! Welcome!
[15:32] <eagles0513875> :) ya so i dunno this cycle how good of a contributor i will be to be fair
[15:32] <ErichEickmeyer> Don't worry about your wedding, we wouldn't meet that week anyhow. Besides, even I'm away at a summer camp that week.
[15:32] <eagles0513875> at the rate im going with hyper-v on this windows gaming tower im going to run into issues getting ubuntu installed on a hyper-v vm that should be interesting 
[15:32] <ErichEickmeyer> That's fine. I was just browsing the code on -welcome and realized I hadn't fixed the debian control file yet. heh.
[15:33] <eagles0513875> this is my gaming rig and im doing my mcsa so i am using hyper-v to learn on 
[15:33] <eagles0513875> ErichEickmeyer: i have loads to learn 
[15:33] <eagles0513875> ErichEickmeyer: do you really think a 6 month release with LTS support every 2 years is a good time frame to release a top notch product
[15:33] <eagles0513875> and 5 year LTS support
[15:34] <eagles0513875> compared to centos for example with 10 year support per release
[15:34] <eagles0513875> the only preoccupation and then i need to bounce to be fair is the release time lines every 6 months
[15:34] <ErichEickmeyer> eagles0513875: Not really my call, that's 100% Canonical. There are no Canonical employees working on Studio.
[15:35] <eagles0513875> stupid question love me hate me then why not fork and rebrand it under a different name
[15:35] <ErichEickmeyer> Because then we lose the server backend and sponsorship that Canonical provides.
[15:35] <ErichEickmeyer> And, we wouldn't be able to use the Ubuntu name, which is powerful.
[15:36] <eagles0513875> ErichEickmeyer: understood.
[15:36] <eagles0513875> anyway for now im going to bounce
[15:36] <ErichEickmeyer> Alright! Welcome aboard!
[15:36] <eagles0513875> thanks
[15:37] <eagles0513875> OvenWerks: hey mate just reading your email now
[15:37] <eagles0513875> OvenWerks: so what you are saying i can install debian for example if im not mistaken even ubuntu is supported on the linux subsystem for windows and work wiht that even though its with out a ui?
[15:38] <eagles0513875> OvenWerks: feel free to copy and paste my comments on to the email and reply on the thread as i need to bounce
[16:02] <OvenWerks> eagles0513875: I think you would need the ui for that particular application (Welcome) as it would be hard to work on otherwise :)
[16:14] <OvenWerks> I do not know if it is possible to work on a ubuntu/debian application from the gnu framework within windows.
[16:14] <ErichEickmeyer> Considering it's an app tied to the UI, it wouldn't be possible.
[16:15] <OvenWerks> Because this is a SW installation program, it needs to know what is now installed where repos are etc.
[16:15] <OvenWerks> There are certain ubuntu/debian utilities it would expect to be hanging around like apt for example.
[16:19] <OvenWerks> (maybe bash and other basic things too)
[16:20] <ErichEickmeyer> Hey OvenWerks, do you have a moment to look at Bug 1633913? It was a critical bug in Lubuntu so I marked it as a critical bug for us.
[16:26] <OvenWerks> I am not sure.
[16:27] <OvenWerks> I have as yet been unable to find where their fix was made, everything about the lubuntu package sends me to the ubuntu package :P
[16:27] <OvenWerks>  I will look some more though. It is probably in their seeds package and the fix is a year old.
[16:30] <ErichEickmeyer> tsimonq2: Do you have any insight on that bug?
[16:48] <eagles0513875> ErichEickmeyer: im back OvenWerks im back as well
[16:48] <eagles0513875> OvenWerks: your email got me thinking :) about something might be able to setup something on a provider i use need to confirm something
[16:49] <eagles0513875> ErichEickmeyer: and OvenWerks figured out what i can use for my dev environment
[16:49] <eagles0513875> have you guys heard of linode
[16:49] <eagles0513875> hey tsimonq2 been a while mate
[16:49] <ErichEickmeyer> eagles0513875: wb! I'm about to head out the door to take the dog for a walk and then run some errands.
[16:50] <eagles0513875> ErichEickmeyer: hopefully we can chat this weekend or some time as i have some ideas i want to run by you from what we spoke about before
[16:50] <ErichEickmeyer> eagles0513875: tsimonq2 is helping us get back on our feet after Studio had a near-death experience.
[16:50] <eagles0513875> ErichEickmeyer, tsimonq2: and i know each other :)
[16:50] <tsimonq2> eagles0513875: OH HEY :)
[16:50] <tsimonq2> Long time no see!
[16:50] <ErichEickmeyer> eagles0513875: Same! Makes me surprised we've never crossed paths!
[16:50] <ErichEickmeyer> Okay, g2g
[16:50] <ErichEickmeyer> bbl
[16:50] <eagles0513875> tsimonq2: joining the party and helping out here
[16:50] <eagles0513875> ErichEickmeyer: 
[16:50] <eagles0513875> really quick
[16:51] <eagles0513875> https://www.linode.com/docs/networking/using-the-linode-graphical-shell-glish/ and OvenWerks :D 
[16:51] <eagles0513875> linode ftw love those guys and host all my infra on them : )
[16:51] <tsimonq2> ErichEickmeyer: You'd be looking in the seed for that one.
[16:51] <eagles0513875> so might get a vm going with ubuntu server and install ubuntu studio
[16:51] <ErichEickmeyer> eagles0513875: Nice! Not a bad way to work on stuff!
[16:51] <eagles0513875> exactly :)
[16:51] <ErichEickmeyer> anyhow, bbl
[16:53] <eagles0513875> heck they even have block storage so do all your work on the block storage and you can have your dev environment al lthere all your files source code etc
[17:24] <OvenWerks> tsimonq2: Ya, it looks like you were the one who fixed lubuntu :)
[17:28] <tsimonq2> OvenWerks: It's a seed issue.
[17:28] <OvenWerks> Ya, I am looking at the git repo for lubuntu seeds
[17:29] <OvenWerks> I am not sure which commit fixed this issue though
[17:30] <OvenWerks> https://git.launchpad.net/~lubuntu-dev/ubuntu-seeds/+git/lubuntu/commit/?id=f39c7b82337754ecfb44731136cdd13a4b44f042 maybe?
[17:48] <OvenWerks> ErichEickmeyer: I looked at lubuntu's fix for bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lubuntu-meta/+bug/1633913 and it does not look like the same fix would be aplicable to Studio from what I can tell. But I am not in any way good at seeds.
[17:49] <OvenWerks> In fact after looking at our seeds some more I am thinking that if we want more than one ISO produced, we don't create a second seed, but add file and entries to the one we have.
[17:50] <OvenWerks> before I mess around any more... I need to read some documentation
[17:58] <eagles0513875> ErichEickmeyer: im not going anywhere aparently
[18:04] <eagles0513875> guys got a stupid question is there a meta package for studio?
[18:17] <tsimonq2> eagles0513875: There is.
[18:17] <eagles0513875> excellent :)
[18:17] <tsimonq2> OvenWerks: I'd have to dig more.
[18:20] <tsimonq2> OvenWerks: Got a link to your seed?
[18:55] <ErichEickmeyer> tsimonq2: https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntustudio-dev/ubuntu-seeds/ubuntustudio.xenial
[20:27] <OvenWerks> um maybe something more recent than that?
[20:27] <OvenWerks> https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntustudio-dev/ubuntu-seeds/ubuntustudio.cosmic
[20:33] <ErichEickmeyer> OvenWerks: The bug was filed against xenial.
[22:10] <krytarik> ErichEickmeyer, OvenWerks: https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntustudio-dev/ubuntu-seeds/ubuntustudio.artful/revision/1508 , https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-cdimage/ubuntu-cdimage/mainline/revision/1665 - haven't read the whole log on it today yet, but I guess if someone was so inclined, they could try and backport the fix to Xenial.
[22:12] <OvenWerks> krytarik: quite honestly, if it is fixed now, I am happy.
[22:15] <ErichEickmeyer> IMO, we need to backport it to Xenial if we're still supporting it until April 2019.
[22:54] <OvenWerks> ErichEickmeyer: I am not against fixing this just not willing to spend my personal time on it.
[23:22]  * ErichEickmeyer grumbles about how specific the changelog format is.
[23:22] <OvenWerks> use dch
[23:23] <OvenWerks> well that doesn't do everything just right either
[23:25] <OvenWerks> starting after a release needs a tweak
[23:25] <OvenWerks> releasing needs a tweak too as the tools are debian based not ubuntu based.
[23:25] <OvenWerks> but everything in between is easy :)
[23:32] <ErichEickmeyer> Yeah, I don't mind manually typing it, but dang! Miss one space and BAM! Fail.
[23:35] <krytarik> I see you guys keep on adding new changelog sections (with a release set) on top of unreleased ones.
[23:37] <OvenWerks> thas prolly me.
[23:37] <OvenWerks> When I started, the release didn't make it in there unless the package was actually uploaded
[23:37] <OvenWerks> that doesn't seem to be happening
[23:40] <tsimonq2> Right, I was going to work on a packaging policy...
[23:40] <tsimonq2> hmm
[23:42] <OvenWerks> normally the package remains UNRELEASED untill someone with upload rights is about to actually upload something
[23:43] <tsimonq2> Indeed.
[23:43] <OvenWerks> Then the UNRELEASED is replaced by the cycle name it is released to.
[23:44]  * tsimonq2 nods
[23:44] <OvenWerks> so -menu needs to have the changelog fixed
[23:45] <OvenWerks> -icon-theme is ok so long as it really gets actually released :)
[23:46] <OvenWerks> -defaull-settings needs a fix too.
[23:46] <ErichEickmeyer> OvenWerks: I just fixed it.
[23:46] <ErichEickmeyer> Er, -menu
[23:46] <ErichEickmeyer> Am I screwing up the changelogs?!?
[23:46] <ErichEickmeyer> If so, how?
[23:47] <OvenWerks> if the is a section that is UNRELEASED your changes go in that section.
[23:47] <tsimonq2> You're starting a new entry when there's already one as UNRELEASED.
[23:47] <tsimonq2> Yeah.
[23:47] <tsimonq2> :)
[23:47] <OvenWerks> when the package is ready to be released the section on top with the UNRELEASED has the word UNRELEASED replaced with cosmic
[23:47] <tsimonq2> (via dch -r)
[23:48] <OvenWerks> right, but with cosmic as the relaese rather than whatever debian word is default
[23:49] <OvenWerks> ErichEickmeyer: take a look at the changelog for -look
[23:49] <tsimonq2> Not really; if you're on Ubuntu it should DTRT automatically.
[23:49] <OvenWerks> tsimonq2: it could be I remember from years gone by
[23:49] <tsimonq2> OvenWerks: Out of curiosity, how extensive is your packaging experience?
[23:50] <tsimonq2> :)
[23:50] <OvenWerks> very small
[23:50] <ErichEickmeyer> OvenWerks: Looking.
[23:50] <tsimonq2> Mind if I type up a small packaging guide with best practices?
[23:50] <OvenWerks> I have only done the meta/settings packages Studio ships.
[23:50] <ErichEickmeyer> tsimonq2: Go for it.
[23:50] <tsimonq2> Ah.
[23:50] <tsimonq2> ErichEickmeyer: Cool.
[23:50] <OvenWerks> I would welocome that
[23:51] <ErichEickmeyer> Okay, so don't bump the version number with a minor change, such as an icon?
[23:52] <OvenWerks> only bump the version if there is a real release with upload
[23:53] <OvenWerks> to fix what we have will probably require skipping a version.
[23:53]  * ErichEickmeyer facepalms
[23:53] <tsimonq2> I doubt it.
[23:53] <ErichEickmeyer> Okay, sorry for screwing everything up.
[23:53] <tsimonq2> ErichEickmeyer: You're fine. :)
[23:53] <OvenWerks> tsimonq2: well it will if we want to keep our auto builds working right :)
[23:53] <tsimonq2> Oh.
[23:53] <tsimonq2> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
[23:54] <OvenWerks> ErichEickmeyer: you haven't learned anything if you don't make mistakes.
[23:54] <tsimonq2> I wouldn't personally worry about that; just delete the packages in the PPA.
[23:54] <OvenWerks> tsimonq2: right, that makes sense too.
[23:54] <tsimonq2> Also, I haven't seen anyone do it yet, but whatever you do, NEVER NEVER NEVER EVER use epochs if you screw up the version number. :)
[23:54] <tsimonq2> Epochs Are Evil. :P
[23:55] <OvenWerks> epocs?
[23:55] <ErichEickmeyer> epochs?
[23:55] <tsimonq2> If you put e.g. "1:" at the beginning of the version number, that's an epoch.
[23:55] <tsimonq2> It basically resets the version number.
[23:56] <tsimonq2> So if you do e.g. 0.103 as an upload, you can't go down. You'd have to do 1:0.1
[23:56] <tsimonq2> But AVOID IT AT ALL COSTS. :)
[23:56] <OvenWerks> why not 1.0?
[23:56] <tsimonq2> Exactly.
[23:56] <OvenWerks> one wants to keep a reasonable history
[23:59] <ErichEickmeyer> Gotta go guys. Dinner with the fam.
[23:59] <tsimonq2> o/