[15:31] hi hi [15:31] ErichEickmeyer: heyo [15:31] :D [15:31] eagles0513875: Nice! Welcome! [15:32] :) ya so i dunno this cycle how good of a contributor i will be to be fair [15:32] Don't worry about your wedding, we wouldn't meet that week anyhow. Besides, even I'm away at a summer camp that week. [15:32] at the rate im going with hyper-v on this windows gaming tower im going to run into issues getting ubuntu installed on a hyper-v vm that should be interesting [15:32] That's fine. I was just browsing the code on -welcome and realized I hadn't fixed the debian control file yet. heh. [15:33] this is my gaming rig and im doing my mcsa so i am using hyper-v to learn on [15:33] ErichEickmeyer: i have loads to learn [15:33] ErichEickmeyer: do you really think a 6 month release with LTS support every 2 years is a good time frame to release a top notch product [15:33] and 5 year LTS support [15:34] compared to centos for example with 10 year support per release [15:34] the only preoccupation and then i need to bounce to be fair is the release time lines every 6 months [15:34] eagles0513875: Not really my call, that's 100% Canonical. There are no Canonical employees working on Studio. [15:35] stupid question love me hate me then why not fork and rebrand it under a different name [15:35] Because then we lose the server backend and sponsorship that Canonical provides. [15:35] And, we wouldn't be able to use the Ubuntu name, which is powerful. [15:36] ErichEickmeyer: understood. [15:36] anyway for now im going to bounce [15:36] Alright! Welcome aboard! [15:36] thanks [15:37] OvenWerks: hey mate just reading your email now [15:37] OvenWerks: so what you are saying i can install debian for example if im not mistaken even ubuntu is supported on the linux subsystem for windows and work wiht that even though its with out a ui? [15:38] OvenWerks: feel free to copy and paste my comments on to the email and reply on the thread as i need to bounce [16:02] eagles0513875: I think you would need the ui for that particular application (Welcome) as it would be hard to work on otherwise :) [16:14] I do not know if it is possible to work on a ubuntu/debian application from the gnu framework within windows. [16:14] Considering it's an app tied to the UI, it wouldn't be possible. [16:15] Because this is a SW installation program, it needs to know what is now installed where repos are etc. [16:15] There are certain ubuntu/debian utilities it would expect to be hanging around like apt for example. [16:19] (maybe bash and other basic things too) [16:20] Hey OvenWerks, do you have a moment to look at Bug 1633913? It was a critical bug in Lubuntu so I marked it as a critical bug for us. [16:21] bug 1633913 in ubuntustudio-meta "lubuntu and ubuntustudio are missing pool; can not install without internet connection" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1633913 [16:26] I am not sure. [16:27] I have as yet been unable to find where their fix was made, everything about the lubuntu package sends me to the ubuntu package :P [16:27] I will look some more though. It is probably in their seeds package and the fix is a year old. [16:30] tsimonq2: Do you have any insight on that bug? [16:48] ErichEickmeyer: im back OvenWerks im back as well [16:48] OvenWerks: your email got me thinking :) about something might be able to setup something on a provider i use need to confirm something [16:49] ErichEickmeyer: and OvenWerks figured out what i can use for my dev environment [16:49] have you guys heard of linode [16:49] hey tsimonq2 been a while mate [16:49] eagles0513875: wb! I'm about to head out the door to take the dog for a walk and then run some errands. [16:50] ErichEickmeyer: hopefully we can chat this weekend or some time as i have some ideas i want to run by you from what we spoke about before [16:50] eagles0513875: tsimonq2 is helping us get back on our feet after Studio had a near-death experience. [16:50] ErichEickmeyer, tsimonq2: and i know each other :) [16:50] eagles0513875: OH HEY :) [16:50] Long time no see! [16:50] eagles0513875: Same! Makes me surprised we've never crossed paths! [16:50] Okay, g2g [16:50] bbl [16:50] tsimonq2: joining the party and helping out here [16:50] ErichEickmeyer: [16:50] really quick [16:51] https://www.linode.com/docs/networking/using-the-linode-graphical-shell-glish/ and OvenWerks :D [16:51] linode ftw love those guys and host all my infra on them : ) [16:51] ErichEickmeyer: You'd be looking in the seed for that one. [16:51] so might get a vm going with ubuntu server and install ubuntu studio [16:51] eagles0513875: Nice! Not a bad way to work on stuff! [16:51] exactly :) [16:51] anyhow, bbl [16:53] heck they even have block storage so do all your work on the block storage and you can have your dev environment al lthere all your files source code etc [17:24] tsimonq2: Ya, it looks like you were the one who fixed lubuntu :) [17:28] OvenWerks: It's a seed issue. [17:28] Ya, I am looking at the git repo for lubuntu seeds [17:29] I am not sure which commit fixed this issue though [17:30] https://git.launchpad.net/~lubuntu-dev/ubuntu-seeds/+git/lubuntu/commit/?id=f39c7b82337754ecfb44731136cdd13a4b44f042 maybe? [17:48] ErichEickmeyer: I looked at lubuntu's fix for bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lubuntu-meta/+bug/1633913 and it does not look like the same fix would be aplicable to Studio from what I can tell. But I am not in any way good at seeds. [17:48] Launchpad bug 1633913 in ubuntustudio-meta "lubuntu and ubuntustudio are missing pool; can not install without internet connection" [Critical,Confirmed] [17:49] In fact after looking at our seeds some more I am thinking that if we want more than one ISO produced, we don't create a second seed, but add file and entries to the one we have. [17:50] before I mess around any more... I need to read some documentation [17:58] ErichEickmeyer: im not going anywhere aparently [18:04] guys got a stupid question is there a meta package for studio? [18:17] eagles0513875: There is. [18:17] excellent :) [18:17] OvenWerks: I'd have to dig more. [18:20] OvenWerks: Got a link to your seed? [18:55] tsimonq2: https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntustudio-dev/ubuntu-seeds/ubuntustudio.xenial [20:27] um maybe something more recent than that? [20:27] https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntustudio-dev/ubuntu-seeds/ubuntustudio.cosmic [20:33] OvenWerks: The bug was filed against xenial. === eagles0513876 is now known as eagles0513875 [22:10] ErichEickmeyer, OvenWerks: https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntustudio-dev/ubuntu-seeds/ubuntustudio.artful/revision/1508 , https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-cdimage/ubuntu-cdimage/mainline/revision/1665 - haven't read the whole log on it today yet, but I guess if someone was so inclined, they could try and backport the fix to Xenial. [22:12] krytarik: quite honestly, if it is fixed now, I am happy. [22:15] IMO, we need to backport it to Xenial if we're still supporting it until April 2019. [22:54] ErichEickmeyer: I am not against fixing this just not willing to spend my personal time on it. [23:22] * ErichEickmeyer grumbles about how specific the changelog format is. [23:22] use dch [23:23] well that doesn't do everything just right either [23:25] starting after a release needs a tweak [23:25] releasing needs a tweak too as the tools are debian based not ubuntu based. [23:25] but everything in between is easy :) [23:32] Yeah, I don't mind manually typing it, but dang! Miss one space and BAM! Fail. [23:35] I see you guys keep on adding new changelog sections (with a release set) on top of unreleased ones. [23:37] thas prolly me. [23:37] When I started, the release didn't make it in there unless the package was actually uploaded [23:37] that doesn't seem to be happening [23:40] Right, I was going to work on a packaging policy... [23:40] hmm [23:42] normally the package remains UNRELEASED untill someone with upload rights is about to actually upload something [23:43] Indeed. [23:43] Then the UNRELEASED is replaced by the cycle name it is released to. [23:44] * tsimonq2 nods [23:44] so -menu needs to have the changelog fixed [23:45] -icon-theme is ok so long as it really gets actually released :) [23:46] -defaull-settings needs a fix too. [23:46] OvenWerks: I just fixed it. [23:46] Er, -menu [23:46] Am I screwing up the changelogs?!? [23:46] If so, how? [23:47] if the is a section that is UNRELEASED your changes go in that section. [23:47] You're starting a new entry when there's already one as UNRELEASED. [23:47] Yeah. [23:47] :) [23:47] when the package is ready to be released the section on top with the UNRELEASED has the word UNRELEASED replaced with cosmic [23:47] (via dch -r) [23:48] right, but with cosmic as the relaese rather than whatever debian word is default [23:49] ErichEickmeyer: take a look at the changelog for -look [23:49] Not really; if you're on Ubuntu it should DTRT automatically. [23:49] tsimonq2: it could be I remember from years gone by [23:49] OvenWerks: Out of curiosity, how extensive is your packaging experience? [23:50] :) [23:50] very small [23:50] OvenWerks: Looking. [23:50] Mind if I type up a small packaging guide with best practices? [23:50] I have only done the meta/settings packages Studio ships. [23:50] tsimonq2: Go for it. [23:50] Ah. [23:50] ErichEickmeyer: Cool. [23:50] I would welocome that [23:51] Okay, so don't bump the version number with a minor change, such as an icon? [23:52] only bump the version if there is a real release with upload [23:53] to fix what we have will probably require skipping a version. [23:53] * ErichEickmeyer facepalms [23:53] I doubt it. [23:53] Okay, sorry for screwing everything up. [23:53] ErichEickmeyer: You're fine. :) [23:53] tsimonq2: well it will if we want to keep our auto builds working right :) [23:53] Oh. [23:53] ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ [23:54] ErichEickmeyer: you haven't learned anything if you don't make mistakes. [23:54] I wouldn't personally worry about that; just delete the packages in the PPA. [23:54] tsimonq2: right, that makes sense too. [23:54] Also, I haven't seen anyone do it yet, but whatever you do, NEVER NEVER NEVER EVER use epochs if you screw up the version number. :) [23:54] Epochs Are Evil. :P [23:55] epocs? [23:55] epochs? [23:55] If you put e.g. "1:" at the beginning of the version number, that's an epoch. [23:55] It basically resets the version number. [23:56] So if you do e.g. 0.103 as an upload, you can't go down. You'd have to do 1:0.1 [23:56] But AVOID IT AT ALL COSTS. :) [23:56] why not 1.0? [23:56] Exactly. [23:56] one wants to keep a reasonable history [23:59] Gotta go guys. Dinner with the fam. [23:59] o/