[02:08] <carlitos> hello all can anyone tell me the command to search for channels (not /list | think its alis or something similar??)
[02:12] <carlitos> "/SQUERY ALIS HELP LIST" isnt working for me on hexchat
[02:13] <m4t>  /msg alis list *keyword*
[02:23] <carlitos> thank you
[02:23] <carlitos> cool man worked a treat thanks
[02:59] <cornjulio> any idea why macchanger not working in 18.04 as it did in other releases (I didnt have to ifdown the connection in other versions of ubuntu 17.10 and 16.04)
[03:00] <cornjulio> now running 18.04
[03:03] <m4t> idk
[03:03]  * m4t blames systemd
[03:03] <m4t> i'm half-kidding
[03:04] <m4t> maybe check https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/MAC_address_spoofing#systemd-networkd, i think it is applicable to ubuntu as well
[03:16] <cornjulio> lols had a few issues with 18.04 so ur joke holds true in a few eg's at least; Stremio and my desktop nvidia card with default opensource drivers crashes entire system (old card though)
[03:16] <cornjulio> cheers re macchanger
[03:31] <cornjulio> any ideas why this output when running "sudo macchanger -r "interface" on 18.04 Mate
[03:31] <cornjulio> https://imgur.com/a/S3Fs9p1
[06:40] <mate|56983> hello
[12:00] <mate|5266> whats up linux fans :)
[17:51] <leaftype> so I tried changing my graphics driver (to Nvideo 390 metapackage), then the computer wanted to update (installing nvidea opengl/glx/egl/gles and vulkan libraries), and... it failed. And I can't revert back to any other driver.
[17:52] <leaftype> It displays "the package sytem is broken", and I tried running the recommended "apt-get install -f" , which does nothing
[17:52] <diogenes_> not apt-get but apt install -f
[17:53] <leaftype> I've also tried purging nvidia on tty1, which did nothing, I've tried installing xserver-xorg-video-nouveau, which also did nothing
[17:53] <diogenes_> leaftype, how much time you already struggle with this?
[17:54] <leaftype> apt install -f has the same error "/var/cache/apt/archives/libnvidea-gl-390_390.48-0ubuntu3_i386.deb" and the same thing with amd64.deb
[17:55] <leaftype> (on my laptop, typing things out manually)
[17:55] <leaftype> diogenes_, about half an hour
[17:55] <leaftype> an hour if you count what started this, minecraft not working. btw, I can't uninstall that either. But one problem at a time.
[17:56] <diogenes_> leaftype, ok but just a remark, the re-installation process takes less than 15 minutes :)
[17:56] <diogenes_> and all the problems are gone
[17:56] <leaftype> reinstalling the the entire os? but... wouldn't I lose... everything?
[17:57] <diogenes_> leaftype, what everything?
[17:57] <leaftype> steam games is the biggest problem, and re-downloading and installing those would take like a week adn put me over a fake data cap AT&T imposes on dsl
[18:00] <diogenes_> leaftype, you can backed everything up on an external drive
[18:00] <diogenes_> and also how much time you're using linux?
[18:01] <leaftype> diogenes_, linux is my only os. I have a 2nd internal drive, though I'll need to set it up for... huh... backup doesn't see it for some reason.
[18:02] <leaftype> oh, I see why. I have a distro on that
[18:02] <diogenes_> leaftype, how much time you using linux?
[18:02] <leaftype> leaftype, I use it a few hours a day, everyday. It's my home computer
[18:03] <diogenes_> no i mean how many years of experience?
[18:03] <diogenes_> with linux
[18:04] <leaftype> oh, since... 2006
[18:04] <leaftype> I'm not a pro, but that's how long I've been using it
[18:07] <leaftype> tried going the IT route once, but its' a bit difficult to study with kids, and linuxacademy is very Red Hat oriented (which gave me quite a few problems on my laptop... lots of googling to make things work)
[18:07] <diogenes_> leaftype, in any case, running any operating system without a backup is like balancing on a tiny rope above the ground, so i'd advice you to make a backup (simply copying) the most important files and re-install.
[18:08] <leaftype> for steam, shoudl I just copy over the .steam folder?
[18:10] <diogenes_> leaftype, i don't use steam so i can't tel you for sure, ask in /j #steam
[18:12] <leaftype> other than reinstall, any other ways to go about this?
[18:13] <diogenes_> leaftype, there is a high probability that if you try other methods, you might end up with a broken system that you won't even be able to back up anything so think if it's worth it.
[18:16] <leaftype> diogenes_, will those methods teach me the hows and whys of my system? Even once I get a backup, we're still comparing the fix to a complete overwrite of the system
[19:23] <alkisg> leaftype: are you still having the issue?
[19:25] <alkisg> leaftype: btw, you may reinstall and keep /home so that you don't lose anything from steam. As soon as you reinstall steam after the OS reinstall, your games would be there if you keep home
[19:25] <alkisg> But of course just solving apt issues can be faster :)
[22:53] <leaftype> before I do something stupid - what are the dangers of removing diversions with dpkg-divert ?
[22:58] <m4t> leaftype: prolly depends on what it's for
[22:58] <m4t> if it's something you added yourself then it's fine
[22:58] <m4t> but something setup by an app automatically during install? sounds risky
[23:00] <leaftype> m4t, it's a graphics driver issue. I can't install (or uninstall) after switching to nvidia-390. The errors are both dpkig-divert: error: mismatch of package, cuased by nvidia-340
[23:00] <leaftype> typo, meant dpkg
[23:03] <m4t> purge nvidia-340?
[23:03] <m4t> taht should remove the diversion automatically
[23:03] <leaftype> gives me "nvidia-340' is not installed, so not removed
[23:04] <m4t> can you pastebin what you're seeing/doing?
[23:04] <leaftype> yeah, one sec
[23:05] <m4t> also can you pastebin dpkg -l|grep nvidia
[23:05] <m4t> and dpkg-divert --list
[23:05] <leaftype> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/WBv7vzzfXR/ for purge attempt
[23:05] <leaftype> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/mM4qhDFpWt/ for --fix-broken install attempt
[23:06] <leaftype> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/nhjQsw8H8n/ for dpkg-divert --list
[23:06] <m4t> uhm so it's kinda fubar, what i would do is remove all of the nvidia stuff with dpkg and --force-all
[23:06] <m4t> then apt-get install nvidia-390 and company
[23:07] <m4t> it should be okay to do if you're already in X11
[23:07] <m4t> or if not then it doesn't matter right...
[23:08] <leaftype> any idea what's causing it? also, just "dpkg --force-all --remove nvidia* ?
[23:08] <m4t> i dunno, something got messed up with dependencies vs installed packages
[23:08] <m4t> did you upgrade from 16.04 to 18.04 or something?
[23:09] <leaftype> and here is the grep you wanted https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/2p8Wn9nn9R/
[23:09] <leaftype> if it matters
[23:09] <m4t> yeah
[23:09] <m4t> uhm
[23:10] <m4t> you could try to remove the diversion then apt-get install --reinstall libnvidia-gl-390
[23:10] <m4t> that might be enough to fix it
[23:11] <m4t> taking a look at your dpkg -l it seems like there's only an orphaned diversion hanging around breaking things
[23:12] <m4t> you can safely purge nvidia-384 nvidia-opencl-icd-340 nvidia-opencl-icd-384 i think afterwards
[23:13] <m4t> or better....remove the diversion then apt-get -f install
[23:13] <m4t> it should run the preinst script again
[23:14] <leaftype> I'm trying to make sure I actually know what I'm typing, there are a lot of parts that I'm learning about for the firs time
[23:14] <m4t> yeah one sec.
[23:16] <m4t> i could probably write a one liner to remove those diversions
[23:17] <leaftype> so this? https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/XVsfTRVVM4/
[23:18] <m4t> yes but for everything from nvidia-340
[23:18] <m4t> what happens if you do dpkg -P --force-all nvidia-340?
[23:18] <m4t> that might remove the diversions if the postrm script is still in /var/lib/dpkg/info/*nvidia-340*
[23:20] <leaftype> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/vhxG4t3PBB/
[23:20] <m4t> yeah figured
[23:20] <m4t> OLDIFS="$IFS"; IFS=$'\n'; for diversion in $(dpkg-divert --list|grep nvidia-340|awk '{print $3}'); do echo "$diversion"; sudo dpkg-divert --test --remove $diversion; done; IFS=$OLDIFS
[23:21] <leaftype> woh, looks complicated. Copy and paste?
[23:21] <m4t> if it seems like the --test command is doing what you want then remove --test
[23:21] <m4t> yes
[23:21] <m4t> its just --test. it won't do anything...
[23:21] <m4t> IFS=$'\n' is just so bash splits by newline and not by space character
[23:22] <leaftype> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/C7ZpkHcQyV/
[23:22] <m4t> yes i would try that then sudo apt-get -f install
[23:22] <m4t> remove --test from the dpkg-divert part of it
[23:23] <m4t> but one sec
[23:23] <leaftype> already goin...
[23:23] <m4t> ah w/e
[23:23] <m4t> :)
[23:23] <leaftype> lol, should be fun
[23:23] <m4t> it wont make things worse
[23:23] <leaftype> it's doing more thant was :)
[23:24] <m4t> cool
[23:24] <leaftype> this was a problem some other people had on askubuntu (was looking around for awhile), so this could be really useful
[23:24] <leaftype> hey, no errors
[23:25] <m4t> cool
[23:25] <m4t> dpkg-divert --list might not show anything for nvidia now...it doesn't on my system
[23:26] <m4t> using 18.04/nvidia-390 but not from the ppa
[23:26] <leaftype> would that script for yup, that's what I was using
[23:26] <leaftype> or trying to
[23:27] <m4t> just curious, if you're on 18.04 why are you using ppa version of 390 instead of the bundled one in core distro?
[23:27] <m4t> just want to follow bleeding edge?
[23:28] <leaftype> This all started with me going to "additional drivers" and clicking on the one with the highest number - whcih was 390
[23:28] <m4t> hmm
[23:29] <m4t> it automatically added the ppa?!
[23:29] <leaftype> I tried doing the ppa version at some point to try to fix it, but the error was the same thing
[23:29] <m4t> oh
[23:29] <m4t> gotcha.
[23:29] <leaftype> it's been several hours of googling and asking and reading man pages
[23:29] <m4t> you might be able to ppa-purge and just roll back to the distro version of -390
[23:29] <m4t> less room for breakage in the future i think..
[23:30]  * m4t has used that ppa in the past
[23:31] <leaftype> earlier the only option I was given was "backup and reinstall", which is a bit more of a scorched earth tactic than I wanted
[23:31] <leaftype> so... ppa -purge?
[23:32] <m4t> ppa-purge is a separate app, dunno if it's installed by default
[23:32] <leaftype> nope
[23:32] <m4t> it just removes the specified ppa and packages from it, then rolls it back to distro
[23:34] <leaftype> your script, it would work for anyone that has the problem with this, right? : https://askubuntu.com/questions/1036629/broken-dependencies-after-trying-to-uninstall-nvidia-390
[23:34] <m4t> maybe
[23:35] <m4t> thats slightly different...trying to uninstall 390 vs install 390
[23:35] <m4t> i.e. not one size fits all
[23:36] <leaftype> I tried to do that at some point as well, I also tried to force naovoau (or however you spell it)
[23:36] <leaftype> and you know what started it all? trying to run minecraft for my kid. Eventually it was just "it works on the other computer, go play on that one"
[23:37] <leaftype> :)
[23:37] <m4t> lol
[23:37] <m4t> let's blame it on minecraft being owned by microsoft
[23:37] <leaftype> I'm sure tha'ts what it is
[23:37] <m4t> https://www.preining.info/blog/2018/06/microsofts-failed-attempt-on-debian-packaging/
[23:38] <leaftype> I'd put $10 a month on patreon for minetest if someone wante dto publish it
[23:38] <leaftype> polish*
[23:38] <leaftype> oh, tha'ts funny :)
[23:41] <leaftype> alright, now going back to additional drivers to see if...
[23:41] <leaftype> and it crashes
[23:42] <leaftype> try 2 - here we go
[23:43] <leaftype> says I'm on metapackage for nvidia-driver-390 (open source)
[23:43] <leaftype> restarting, see if that works
[23:49] <leaftype> and it works, thank you m4t
[23:49] <m4t> cool np