[00:04] <Ameisen> When building gcc with apt-src, how do I get it to _not_ build it for targetting all the architectures?
[00:04] <Ameisen> I only want it for native
[00:32] <apb1963> oerheks, So I got an answer back from my ISP.  He says "You can't upgrade the kernel version.Since openVZ has stable kernel version."  But it made me realize, I don't think you can run a VM that's more advanced than the host... and so I suspect the host OS is ancient.
[00:33] <apb1963> oerheks, bottom line...  I guess ya get what ya pay for.
[00:33] <apb1963> s/ISP/webhost/
[00:33] <apb1963> oerheks, anyway, thanks :)
[00:37] <oerheks> apb1963,  they have their own system of protection and deployment, vagrant is not bad..
[00:37] <oerheks> but sure, it looks funny, 2.6.x
[00:40] <qwebirc56957> Had a Linux question, but am not a major Linux user...
[00:41] <qwebirc56957> Looking for a bootable Linux that contains "gnome-disk-utility" aka "gnome-disks" aka "palimpsest" (including GUI), ideally as simple as possible (less GB).
[00:41] <qwebirc56957> A *.txz (also dependencies) compatible with Parted Magic 2013_06_15 would be spectacular.
[00:43] <oerheks> ubuntu live iso gives gnome disks
[00:45] <qwebirc56957> That's separate from the normal ISO?
[00:45] <oerheks> no
[00:48] <qwebirc56957> That's kinda huge
[00:48] <qwebirc56957> (I'll file that under plan B)
[00:49] <qwebirc56957> What's the normal process for a generic Linux user who doesn't already have gnome disks to install it?
[00:50] <oerheks> this has nothing to do with ubuntu support
[00:50] <oerheks> try ##linux ?
[00:52] <qwebirc56957> ok, thanks, even a pointer in the right direction is appreciated
[00:52] <qwebirc56957> How do I get to this ##linux?
[00:58] <guiverc> qwebirc56957, `sudo apt install gnome-disk-utility` will install it on any Ubuntu (if you're not running gnome & need it); but this room only supports Ubuntu (and official flavors) as already indicated
[00:59] <qwebirc56957> Don't have apt on Parted Magic 2013_06_15, is apt something I could install?
[01:02] <qwebirc56957> What does "Cannot send to channel: ##linux" mean?
[01:04] <guiverc> qwebirc56957, that's a question for freenode (not Ubuntu); I was able to join without errors `/join ##linux`
[01:05] <oerheks> i think that error also says something about registering on freenode
[01:05] <oerheks> !register
[01:05] <oerheks> not all channels are open for unregistered users
[01:06] <qwebirc56957> hmm, ok, thanks. Just came for a quick question, didn't really plan to register...
[01:13] <blaster> Hi I'm having a problem with iptables.
[01:14] <blaster> When I add these rules and then restart my machine, remote connections to postgresql start timing out.  They should be permitted because I am allowing tcp inbound on port 5432.
[01:14] <blaster> https://pastebin.com/6VRUUXF5
[01:14] <blaster> I know it's an iptables issue because if I flush the rules the connections work again.
[01:27] <guest0987> when updating 18.04: release file not valid yet...updates will not be applied. i tried switch mirrors with no luck. any ideas ?
[01:33] <guiverc> guest0987, check your system clock - your system time is probably ahead of UST/utc  (where it should be ..)
[01:34] <guest0987> guiverc:  it is set to utc
[01:35] <guiverc> i don't know your error message; but the 'not valid yet' would imply to me your system time is outside of limits allowed - why i suggested checking your system time/clock...
[01:36] <guest0987> guiverc:  makes sense
[01:36] <deusexmachina> how can I overclock my nvidia gpu on ubuntu?
[01:57] <Guest2740> Hey guys, I am curious to know where the main Ubuntu servers are hosted in terms of location?
[02:05] <Bashing-om> guiverc: See: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+archivemirrors .
[02:07] <oerheks> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+archivemirrors gives no clue, but https://www.bing.com/search?q=ubuntu+mirror+main++ip gives 91.189.91.15 = Boston, USA ?
[02:07] <TimeDoctor> it's probably a CDN in front that'll drop you into something close to you
[02:07] <oerheks> or Douglas, Scotland ..
[02:07] <Bashing-om> Guest77337: Yuk ^^ sorry guiverc :(
[02:08] <oerheks> yeah, most likely
[02:08] <guiverc> no probs
[02:08] <oerheks> whois F5 F5 F5 F5
[02:08] <oerheks> :-D
[02:51] <slimetrap> ubuntu is so nice TwT
[02:51] <slimetrap> i do all my development on it and haven't looked back
[02:51] <slimetrap> and i even have a home server with it...
[02:53] <LudusLight> It's really useful to get up and running with little effort.
[02:56] <slimetrap> yeah i learned over the years that i actually hate putting a ton of time into upgrades, computer maintenance stuff
[02:57] <slimetrap> the backup software deja-dup or whatever is really really nice
[02:57] <slimetrap> also im glad to see vnc is back again
[02:57] <slimetrap> i wasn't able to use it in artful/17
[02:57] <hfstry> Hello, how would i go about to mount an .img for a hfs partition. I have been trying [sudo mount -o loop file.img /destination/path] but i have been getting: [wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/loop0, missing codepage or helper program, or other error.]
[03:05] <guiverc> hfstry:  i've not used it, but try looking at https://askubuntu.com/questions/332315/how-to-read-and-write-hfs-journaled-external-hdd-in-ubuntu-without-access-to-os
[03:33] <cornjulio>  any ideas why this output when running "sudo macchanger -r "interface" on 18.04 Mate
[03:33] <cornjulio> https://imgur.com/a/S3Fs9p1
[03:33] <mwd> sounds like you need to turn off the interface first, do the mac set, and turn it back on
[03:34] <cornjulio> just curious has anything changed in 18.04 as in past never had to bring interface downl
[03:35] <cornjulio> what u said works but hoping to satisfy my curiosity as to why now and not before
[03:35] <cornjulio> other releases 16.04 17.10
[04:37] <andre> hello
[04:38] <Guest59783> Hello for all. I'm Andre. Just a beginner
[04:40] <slimetrap> hello everyone. i have an Intel NUC NUC5CPYH. the graphics are so slow it's unusable... like... i can kind of do *some things* but like it can't even do an NES emulator...
[04:41] <aen> exit
[04:43] <lotuspsychje> slimetrap: start from the beginning, ubuntu version? kernel? graphics chipset? what happens when?
[04:44] <slimetrap> ubuntu version is bionic beaver. "Linux nuc 4.15.0-24-generic #26-Ubuntu SMP Wed Jun 13 08:44:47 UTC 2018 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux" how do i check the graphics chipset? also everything graphically-related is just super slow, but i can still do really neat server stuff like docker with ease and very fast
[04:44] <lotuspsychje> slimetrap: suco lshw -C video
[04:45] <lotuspsychje> slimetrap: *sudo
[04:45] <qwebirc92236> Hi guys. I just bought and installed a dedicated SSD to install Ubuntu on. I was hoping to just have the one root partition with LVM, but I have to do the 'Something Else' install option because I have Windows on a different SSD.
[04:45] <slimetrap> lotuspsychje, thank you. here you go https://bpaste.net/show/faedaccbfe00
[04:46] <lotuspsychje> !dualboot | qwebirc92236
[04:47] <qwebirc92236> If I create a new partition table and allocate all the free space on the new drive to / and set its type to 'Logical' and use as 'Ext4 journaling file system' at mount point /, is that the same as doing a standard install with LVM enabled @ubottu ?
[04:47] <qwebirc92236> Or is LVM different to 'Logical' partition type?
[04:48] <lotuspsychje> !partitioning | qwebirc92236
[04:49] <lotuspsychje> slimetrap: looks good, gnome is known as heavy overall, have you tryed something lighter like xubuntu or lubuntu as test?
[04:49] <slimetrap> lotuspsychje, sounds tricky
[04:50] <lotuspsychje> slimetrap: what do you mean?
[04:50] <slimetrap> is there an easy way to switch environ without reinstall lotuspsychje
[04:50] <qwebirc92236> @lotuspsychje I've already read that link. My question is more specific. I'm asking if setting the partition type to 'Logical' is the same as enabling LVM
[04:50] <lotuspsychje> slimetrap: yes, you could sudo apt install lubuntu-desktop for example, then switch from login, but if you like lubuntu its best you do a full reinstall
[04:50] <slimetrap> i made this site that's running on ubuntu uwu http://bubblebbs.cafe/
[04:51] <slimetrap> lotuspsychje, tyvm
[04:51] <slimetrap> i really appreciate ur help
[04:53] <qwebirc92236> @lotuspsychje, I'm basically just asking: If I create a / partition, set its type to logical, and use as Ext4 journaling file system. Does that give me the exact same thing as if I just did a 'Erase disk and install Ubuntu' + 'Enable LVM' type installation.
[04:57] <qwebirc92236> I guess you can't enable LVM in Ubuntu using the 'Something Else' option then....
[04:57] <lotuspsychje> !lvm | qwebirc92236
[04:59] <qwebirc92236> @lotuspsychje Nope. No explanation in that link for what I described. Guess Ubuntu can't do it.
[05:09] <Blade> hmm
[05:09] <t_p_> I managed to break my LVM with a power failure, it hangs on boot while activating it and causes a few other things (like udev) to break/block during boot. The big problem is that this even happens when I try to boot from a live USB, so I am unsure how to start debugging it.
[05:14] <EriC^^> t_p_: try booting without quiet splash and put "verbose" instead
[05:15] <EriC^^> take screenshots
[05:17] <EriC^> t_p_: try booting without quiet splash and put "verbose" instead , take screenshots
[05:19] <Blade> t_p_: change bios boot
[05:19] <Blade> farst
[05:25] <t_p_> Blade: I'm waiting for screenshots to upload... the first line says that "INFO task scsi_eh_4:357 blocked for more than 120 seconds"
[05:26] <Blade> usb stick is boot or
[05:26] <t_p_> (first interesting line, on the same line as "Begin: Setting up swap... ...")
[05:27] <t_p_> yes, USB stick
[05:27] <t_p_> underlying host is actually a debian/proxmox machine
[05:28] <Blade> intall going or not start
[05:28] <Blade> install
[05:28] <t_p_> but I'm booting 18.04 to try to recover it
[05:29] <Blade> recover boot see
[05:29] <Blade> advanced boot
[05:29] <t_p_> it eventually complains that systemd-udevd is hanging for 120+ seconds, and is not going any further
[05:31] <Blade> problem system hardware
[05:34] <t_p_> Blade: https://photos.app.goo.gl/m3fDfvUvD9eivTGy6 https://photos.app.goo.gl/pkbv3CKUcaTd7cE78
[05:35] <Blade> only one usb change
[05:35] <Blade> try
[05:38] <prte> what is primary and extended partition when i use the fdisk command
[05:40] <guiverc> prte, on a non-gpt (dos) format drive; you can have a maximum 4 primary partitions only.  extended was a means to allow more (it can be subdivided into other partitions yet only counts as a single primary partition)
[05:42] <prte> guiverc: is there any other alternative from MBR?
[05:43] <guiverc> MBR only allows 4 [primary] partitions - gpt is the 'replacement' partition-table type
[05:47] <guiverc> other alternatives can be all-drive (no partition table in mbr sense) - but these are generally not recognized as standard (used by proprietary systems) & not as useful generally  (to us Ubuntu users..).
[06:00] <prte> sure guiverc
[06:15] <Dreaman> hmm
[06:19] <prte> what is the command to increase the number of inodes
[06:19] <prte> im trying to use sudo mkfs.ext4 -N 200000 /dev/xvdf
[06:19] <prte> says drive is busy
[06:20] <prte> i tried umounting and did a partprobe and reboot
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[07:02] <kiriuha> helo
[07:02] <kiriuha> ]
[07:18] <ljc> hey i'm installing ubuntu from usb with a live iso, but can't get past network config page of the installer
[07:19] <ljc> it's only picking up my ethernet (ens2) and not my wireless card
[07:28] <jarnos> How do you view afterwards shutdown log of last few shutdowns? I have some delay and errors there occasionally, so I want to know what is going on.
[07:31] <darek> Hi, on 18.04 fresh install I have problem with usb ports. usb devices are only recognized after plugging in and restarting laptop. lsusb lists plugged devices properly even when these are not working. Laptop is HP EliteBook 840 G4. Any ideas what might be the problem?
[07:31] <ducasse> jarnos: you need to enable persistent journals, 'mkdir /var/log/journal', then you can see them with 'journalctl -b 1' etc
[07:40] <ljc> any tips when the live server install doesn't pick up your wireless card?
[07:41] <darek> also looking at dmesg logs, looks like I am in infinite usb connect disconnect loop. tried different ports, devices, cables - all the same. I have to reboot machine to make usb device (like mouse, phone, flashdrive) work/be detected by the system
[07:43] <ducasse> ljc: i don't think wireless is supported on the server install image
[07:51] <ljc> alright
[08:10] <system16> Hi, i have installed gnome tweaks but that shell option is disabled. whats that ? is it related to desktop environments ?
[08:20] <AnonimOS> hello)
[08:20] <EriC^^> hello
[08:21] <AnonimOS> this chat is p2p?
[08:21] <AnonimOS> or its server
[08:26] <darek> regarding usb not being detected, ive solved the problem by: setting in grub GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet splash usbcore.autosuspend=-1"
[08:32] <AnonimOS> how do i put retroshare on armbian (ubuntu 16.04 orange pi)?
[08:34] <ducasse> AnonimOS: armbian is not supported here, try their own support forums
[08:48] <AnonimOS> ok)
[09:30] <nicofrand> Hi
[09:30] <nicofrand> I have a lot of those errors in dmesg but I can't find to which device ata2 refers to: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/KQxk7FsF9m/ How can I check ?
[09:32] <nicofrand> I tried https://unix.stackexchange.com/a/103566 but it does not list ata2
[09:33] <DrManhattan> nicofrand, your hard drive looks like it's going bad. you might want to run "sudo smartctl -a /dev/thedrivegoingbad"
[09:34] <nicofrand> DrManhattan actually I don't even know which device it might be
[09:34] <purpleunicorn> Ubuntu isn’t working on my laptop for some reason. It keeps saying failure
[09:34] <DrManhattan> well, unless you've got a giant raid array
[09:34] <nicofrand> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/7fnFXsw8DC/
[09:35] <nicofrand> so I really don't see what is ata2
[09:35] <ikonia> ATA2 is controller 2 on your motherboard
[09:35] <DrManhattan> nicofrand, try sdb first
[09:35] <ikonia> how many disks do you have in your system ?
[09:35] <bazhang> purpleunicorn, the actual error is 'failure'?
[09:35] <DrManhattan> ikonia, is right, it really depends on what disks are in there
[09:36] <DrManhattan> but my bet would be sdb
[09:36] <purpleunicorn> No I’ll get the actual error now. I think the first word is failure and then theirs more
[09:36] <nicofrand> 3, 1 ssd (sda) + 2 in a USB controller (sdb + sdc) (RAID not enabled)
[09:37] <ikonia> nicofrand: so just run smartctl against all 3
[09:37] <ikonia> I suspect it's your USB disks
[09:37] <ikonia> see if any are failing
[09:37] <ikonia> they are not failing the bus will just be resetting because you're using usb disks
[09:38] <ikonia> and it sounds like the worst possible idea to even consider using them in raid
[09:38] <nicofrand> last time I tried smartctl would not work with this controller
[09:38] <DrManhattan> You don't usually see frozen errors on a functional disk
[09:38] <ikonia> would not work with which controller ?
[09:38] <purpleunicorn> bazhang: “fatal: could not read from the not medium! System halted.”
[09:39] <DrManhattan> I've never even heard of trying usb disks in raid
[09:39] <purpleunicorn> *boot
[09:40] <DrManhattan> nicofrand, what's the output?
[09:40] <binaryhermit> I've heard of using floppies in usb floppy drives in raid
[09:40] <ikonia> DrManhattan: because it's a bad idea
[09:40] <binaryhermit> kind of "because you can"
[09:40] <nicofrand> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/frnHZGwycV/ DrManhattan
[09:41] <DrManhattan> ikonia, yeah, I don't know anyone who would even attempt that. That's like trying to pull a uhaul trailer with two mopeds
[09:41] <nicofrand> DrManhattan no, my disks are in a USB Bridge, through USB
[09:41] <nicofrand> and this "bridge" (I hope I use the correct word) can do RAID, but I don't use this mode
[09:42] <bazhang> purpleunicorn, some more details on what you are doing to see this error
[09:42] <DrManhattan> nicofrand, is SMART enabled in your bios for the WD Red drive?
[09:42] <nicofrand> by USB bridge I mean this : https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/61M6pZO5z1L._SL1500_.jpg
[09:43] <purpleunicorn> I’m using virtual box and I haven’t used Ubuntu in a couple weeks and before that it was fine. All I’m doing is starting up from there and clicking the start button. That’s all I’m doing. bazhang
[09:44] <bazhang> purpleunicorn, vb as guest ubuntu on windows host?
[09:44] <DrManhattan> nicofrand, your WD Red drive isn't outputting SMART info like it should.
[09:44] <nicofrand> I enabled all I could in the bios but as far as I can tell the system just does not like the usb bridge
[09:44] <DrManhattan> SMART Status not supported: Incomplete response, ATA output registers missing
[09:44] <purpleunicorn> Yeah but on Mac not windows bazhang
[09:45] <ikonia> so failure to read from media....it can't see the media it's trying to boot from
[09:45] <tony_> ??
[09:45] <nicofrand> I don't really see any issue, I am just afraid by those errors and I can't even get to which device ata2 refers to
[09:45] <DrManhattan> nicofrand, you may want to plug that WD red drive into the system directly and not in that bay just to see if it is properly functional
[09:45] <purpleunicorn> Well I have an account on Ubuntu if that’s what you’re asking
[09:45] <nicofrand> I can't
[09:45] <purpleunicorn> ikonia: why
[09:45] <ikonia> purpleunicorn: why what /
[09:46] <nicofrand> DrManhattan I have to WD red drive, how do you know which one it is ?
[09:46] <purpleunicorn> Why can’t it read from the media? ikonia
[09:46] <ikonia> purpleunicorn: can your ubuntu VM boot ? yes/no
[09:47] <DrManhattan> Serial Number:    WD-WMC1T0981737
[09:47] <nicofrand> DrManhattan 2* sorry
[09:47] <DrManhattan> nicofrand, Serial Number:    WD-WMC1T0981737
[09:47] <DrManhattan>   <-- this drive
[09:47] <nicofrand> but how did you find out ?
[09:47] <DrManhattan> damn. Just, damn.
[09:47] <purpleunicorn> No, it tries to but it says the error I said to you before
[09:47] <DrManhattan> nicofrand, it's on the label
[09:48] <ikonia> purpleunicorn: ok - so the problem is the virtual machine cannot see the media it is trying to boot from
[09:48] <ikonia> purpleunicorn: in the host, look at that is the media that VM is trying to boot from
[09:48] <nicofrand> DrManhattan I don't get it. The label does not say it fails. Why WD-WMC1T0981737 and not WD-WMC4M2961323 ?
[09:48] <ikonia> purpleunicorn: then verify it's there/permissions/corruption/whatever
[09:48] <bazhang> purpleunicorn, you are using a mac, and within that booting a vbox with ubuntu, and it fails; is that about right
[09:49] <purpleunicorn> Yes bazhang
[09:49] <bazhang> purpleunicorn, why not create a new VM and see what happens
[09:49] <DrManhattan> nicofrand, you have to test the drive with the serial number I posted in a known good configuration to see if the drive is malfunctioning or the array is
[09:49] <ikonia> purpleunicorn: ok, so walk through what I've just suggested
[09:49] <nicofrand> DrManhattan but why this disk and not the other one ?
[09:49] <purpleunicorn> Idk what you’re asking me to do. How do I get to its host
[09:50] <ikonia> purpleunicorn: your host is the mac
[09:50] <bazhang> purpleunicorn, the host OS is MAC
[09:50] <purpleunicorn> bazhang: if I create a new vm don’t I have download Ubuntu again
[09:50] <DrManhattan> nicofrand, because that's the disk that is having problems reporting SMART info
[09:50] <bazhang> purpleunicorn, so within that, create a new vbox instance
[09:51] <ikonia> purpleunicorn: it sounds like you want the guys in #macosx channel to explain to you how to use macos and virtual box on mac os
[09:51] <purpleunicorn> Ok
[09:51] <bazhang> purpleunicorn, do you still have the original ubuntu iso?
[09:51] <ikonia> purpleunicorn: if you don't know how to use the host/software on the host, that's not ubuntu's problem
[09:52] <nicofrand> DrManhattan if that is the failing disk and I removed the disk from the controller, I should not see any error anymore, right ?
[09:52] <purpleunicorn> Yes I do bazhang
[09:52] <purpleunicorn> I know how to use it but I don’t get what I’m supposed to be checking out ikonia
[09:53] <ikonia> purpleunicorn: you don't know how to use it
[09:53] <ikonia> purpleunicorn: as you didn't even know what the host was
[09:53] <malasku> I have a question regarding nmap script arguments How do I check what arguments are available for an nmap script? I tried using nmap --script-help <script.nse> but it does not show anything, its just a synopsis of the script.
[09:53] <DrManhattan> nicofrand, with the exception of errors reported when the disk itself is pulled out, yes
[09:53] <ikonia> purpleunicorn: I suggest you work with the guys in #macosx to help you understand how the host works and how vbox on mac works
[09:53] <nicofrand> DrManhattan same thing if I just unplug the USB bridge?
[09:54] <nicofrand> DrManhattan because I still have those errors in dmesg, even after unplugging it
[09:54] <purpleunicorn> I just created another vm for Ubuntu I hope it works
[09:55] <ikonia> that won't help you debug the broken VM
[09:55] <DrManhattan> nicofrand, the only drives outside of that array is your system SSD, right?
[09:55] <purpleunicorn> How is it broken if the new one is working? ikonia
[09:55] <nicofrand> yes DrManhattan. /dev/sda
[09:56] <ikonia> purpleunicorn: because it can't read the disk it needs to boot
[09:56] <nicofrand> as far as I can tell my system tries to reach a ghost device :D
[09:56] <DrManhattan> nicofrand, well, sda isn't showing any errors, and sdb is acting strangely. My bet would be your problem is the WD red drive I mentioned.
[09:56] <nicofrand> I can't find what is the link between any of my device and ata2
[09:57] <ikonia> nicofrand: now you have unplugged the usb controller, how many disks are you your system
[09:57] <nicofrand> DrManhattan but once I unplug the USB bridge with the two WD drives in it, I still have the same errors in dmesg
[09:57] <nicofrand> ikonia one. https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/qZp8GVvp9P/
[09:57] <ikonia> nicofrand: ok, so now you know what ATA2 is
[09:57] <ikonia> it's that disk
[09:58] <nicofrand> my system seems to work fine though? I mean this is the disk where everything is installed
[09:58] <nicofrand> and smartctl works on this one
[10:00] <nicofrand> wouldn't it be possible that I have an issue in my installation and ubuntu tries to reach a device that does not exist but that would be listed somewhere (fstab or something like that) ?
[10:01] <ikonia> nicofrand: no
[10:01] <ppq> hi there. i have a problem with my LUKS setup in 18.04. my / is encrypted, i type the passphrase at boot time. i also have three other luks volumes in the crypttab, they are supposed to be opened automatically by keyfiles (that live in /root on the encrypted / fs and are readable by root). manual open by keyfile works fine, but each time i boot, i am asked for all the passphrases of all four volumes. the exact same setup worked fine in 16.04. did something
[10:01] <ppq> LUKS-related change since then?
[10:02] <nicofrand> ikonia but smartctl does not see any issue… Could that be a driver issue?
[10:02] <ikonia> nicofrand: no
[10:06] <DrManhattan> My bet is there's an ata controller inside of that array and that's what's reporting as ata2..*
[10:06] <DrManhattan> My bet is there's an ata controller inside of that array and that's what's reporting as ata2++
[10:07] <nicofrand> The controller is unplugged
[10:07] <DrManhattan> unless that SSD is plugged into an odd port and is frozen
[10:07] <nicofrand> What would "frozen" mean ? I can use my computer alright..
[10:08] <nicofrand> And both /, /home etc are on this SSD
[10:58] <atareis> ubuntu is better than debian ?
[11:00] <lbdesign> hah!
[11:00] <lbdesign> debian is good if you know how to use it.
[11:00] <lbdesign> ubuntu is also good.
[11:00] <leftyfb> atareis: that's not a support question. Go to #ubuntu-offtopic for those pointless discussions
[11:16] <nicofrand> DrManhattan what does "frozen" really mean? It's where all my partitions (/, /home, etc.) are installed, so it seems to work?
[11:17] <DrManhattan> nicofrand, with all due respect, I've told you what needs to be done. I don't believe it is your system drive that is the issue, but the WD Red drive that wasn't giving you SMART info
[11:19] <nicofrand> DrManhattan I unplugged the USB controller where both WD red drives are and I still have the error
[11:19] <nicofrand> but sorry if I abused of your time
[11:28] <DrManhattan> nicofrand, it's all good. Now take the WD Red drive in question, connect it to a proper SATA port, give it power, and see if the disk is good to go
[11:34] <nicofrand> I can't, I don't have any "proper SATA port". But again, I unplugged both sdb & sdc and still have the issue so I fail to see why it would come from one of those 2 disks
[11:35] <DrManhattan> Ok.
[11:35] <nicofrand> there must be a way to map a "ata2" to some device/disk
[11:35] <DrManhattan> So either your ssd is plugged into a different port than your first available one
[11:35] <DrManhattan> or you aren't reading the output properly
[11:36] <DrManhattan> maybe check the timestamps in dmesg?
[11:37] <nicofrand> dmesg -H does give a recent timestamp
[11:37] <beaver> hello, how can I backup my chroot file? i use : sudo fakeroot tar -cpzvf /home/beaver/Bureau/bot42.tar.gz /var/cache/LocoBot/ (for creation) and fakeroot tar xvfp ../bot42.tar.gz (for extraction), but when i use my backup_chroot i have this with sudo -S (in my schroot : sudo: /usr/bin/sudo must be owned by uid 0 and have the setuid bit set
[11:37] <beaver> )
[11:38] <beaver> my chroot folder* (sorry)
[11:40] <nicofrand> "lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 0 juin  17 11:32 /sys/block/sda -> ../devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1f.2/ata1/host0/target0:0:0/0:0:0:0/block/sda" my SSD seems to be on ata1, not ata2
[11:42] <beaver> so, what is the best procedure for backing up a debootstrap?
[11:43] <beaver> that i generated with sudo debootstrap --variant=buildd --arch=amd64 xenial /var/cache/LocoBot http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/
[11:44] <beaver> if i want to backup /var/cache/LocoBot, how do i do ?
[12:09] <ata> hello
[12:09] <ata> everyone
[12:10] <Guest520> ?
[12:46] <mima> hey
[12:46] <mima> lol
[12:47] <mima> y'all dont talk lol
[12:48] <mima> jelouuu
[12:48] <mima> ok bye lol
[12:49] <mima> ok ubuntu
[13:02] <mima> hey bne
[13:29] <debnath> hello
[13:30] <nasi_goreng> world!
[13:30] <adrian_1908> das rite!
[13:30] <debnath> hello
[13:30] <debnath> is the session going to start now?
[13:33] <pippuccio76> hi , sorry for english , i try to reinstall xubuntu 18.04 for some problem but when install grub the installation crash.
[13:34] <geirha> debnath: session?
[13:38] <qwebirc37693> My Samsung ML 2850 printer does not work. How can I investigate what is wrong?
[13:40] <guiverc> pippuccio76, this may help you to use your install media to re-do the grub-install https://howtoubuntu.org/how-to-repair-restore-reinstall-grub-2-with-a-ubuntu-live-cd
[13:41] <adrian_1908> qwebirc37693: you could check if the CUPS server says anything. Enter `127.0.0.1:631` in your browser.
[13:42] <qwebirc37693> adrian_1908: then what?
[13:42] <adrian_1908> qwebirc37693: sorry no idea, I never had printer issues.
[13:43] <qwebirc37693> how I know my printer have correct drivers installed?
[13:43] <blackflow> qwebirc37693: the cups page at that localhost ip:port  has facilities to test the driver
[13:43] <adrian_1908> qwebirc37693: is it listed in CUPS under printers?
[13:44] <qwebirc37693> yes my printer is listed
[13:44] <blackflow> qwebirc37693: also, for that samsung thing I think you need the splix driver.
[13:48] <qwebirc37693> printing a test page from CUPS didn't work. printer responded but only white paper came out
[13:50] <adrian_1908> qwebirc37693: have you done a websearch about your printer model and linux drivers? Maybe you need to install third party drivers like blackflow suggested.
[13:52] <qwebirc37693> I found uld_V1.00.39_01.17.tar.gz but don't know what to do with that
[13:53] <adrian_1908> qwebirc37693: got a link? i imagine it comes with some instructions.
[13:54] <qwebirc37693> https://support.hp.com/us-en/drivers/selfservice/samsung-ml-2850-laser-printer-series/19134798
[13:54] <blackflow> qwebirc37693: ubuntu has a package
[13:54] <blackflow> !info printer-driver-splix
[13:54] <blackflow> !info splix
[13:54] <blackflow> yeah, "splix" is for xenial and trusty
[13:56] <qwebirc37693> How I know what drivers I have?
[14:00] <blackflow> qwebirc37693: btw I guess I was wrong, that particular samsung is apparently not covered by splix. See this for more info and what to install:  http://www.openprinting.org/printer/Samsung/Samsung-ML-2850
[14:01] <the_drow> Hi, I'm stuck with a kernel upgrade because the evdi kernel module cannot be found. This happened after I upgraded to 18.04.
[14:01] <the_drow> I can't upgrade my system and dpkg -configure -a hangs. Also attempting to install evdi from DisplayLink's website also hangs.
[14:11] <the_drow> I can't even ctrl+c
[14:13] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[14:13] <adrian_1908> hey there
[14:15] <qwebirc37693> I looked more specifically that my printer is ML-2850D. so what to do? openprinting page: http://www.openprinting.org/printer/Samsung/Samsung-ML-2850D
[14:17] <adrian_1908> qwebirc37693: I would recommend you try the uld_V1.00... archive you linked me to. Extract it to /tmp and then try `sudo uld/install.sh`
[14:18] <minjieqingxing> ?
[14:18] <minjieqingxing> hello?
[14:18] <adrian_1908> minjieqingxing: what's up?
[14:18] <minjieqingxing> anyone here?
[14:18] <minjieqingxing> wow?amazing!
[14:19] <blackflow> qwebirc37693: well, see that "directly download PPD" link? And under it, generic instructions for CUPS.
[14:19] <SimonNL> http://www.openprinting.org/printer/Samsung/Samsung-ML-2850D     if ^^ doesn't work you could download the deb file and read the instructions provided there
[14:19] <SimonNL> qwebirc37693: ^
[14:20] <minjieqingxing> i just wonder whether there is any people or not
[14:20] <adrian_1908> minjieqingxing: mostly idling, but a few are active.
[14:20] <minjieqingxing> emm..such as ..you?
[14:22] <adrian_1908> do you have a question? This a support channel, #ubuntu-offtopic for chitchat.
[14:22] <minjieqingxing> actually I'm using this app the first time
[14:24] <minjieqingxing> running this HexChat at Ubuntu on virtual machine
[14:28] <qwebirc37693> how to extract uld_V1.00.39_01.17.tar.gz to /tmp?
[14:29] <BluesKaj> check the nicklist minjieqingxing
[14:30] <minjieqingxing> is it anything  wrong with my nickname?
[14:31] <_nedR> hello, i am upgrading to ubuntu 18.04, on laptop with no battery, i would like hibernation feature.. how much should swap partition size be (i am assuming only swap partition can be used)?
[14:31] <the_drow> _nedR, Usually 10%-20% of memory is good enough
[14:31] <the_drow> Unless you have very little memory
[14:32] <the_drow> Then you can go to 50%
[14:32] <the_drow> and make sure swappiness is set to 10 or so
[14:33] <blackflow> _nedR: to hibernate you need a partition as large as your RAM.
[14:33] <eyeoh> don't you just need a swap file?
[14:34] <eyeoh> I thought the idea of swap partitions dates back to spinny drives and performance
[14:35] <eyeoh> so provided it's an SSD, just the swap file without dedicated partition should work fine right?
[14:35] <blackflow> spaw files are a relatively novel things in Linux.
[14:35] <eyeoh> wow typing :p
[14:35] <eyeoh> we're talking 18.04 though and modern kernel
[14:36] <blackflow> yeah, so "swap partitions" don't have much to do with "spinny drives and performance"
[14:36] <eyeoh> on that topic, I notice a lot of parittion guides are somewhat outdated now and suggest too-small / partitions
[14:36] <eyeoh> yeah fair enough
[14:36] <blackflow> in my personal experience, if you run a bloated desktop like gnome or kde, at least 1-2 GB of swap is nice
[14:36] <eyeoh> so in 2018, with Ubuntu 18.04 - does a laptop really need a dedicated /swap ?
[14:36] <eyeoh> ah yeah gnome
[14:37] <blackflow> gnome + some chromium|firefox activity will quickly eat up 4-8G of RAM
[14:37] <eyeoh> it's incredible how much the DE adds on top, not just on first load; but after spawning new windows and tabs.
[14:37] <blackflow> and having higher swappiness is in fact not bad at all. for all that bloatware, most of the pages are unused and can be swapped out, freeing ram.
[14:37] <eyeoh> I struggle to hit my 16GB on i3wm, but Unity or Gnome... easy
[14:38] <eyeoh> I have 8GB on this 13,1 MBP
[14:38] <eyeoh> the swap gets a workout regularly, but seems okay if I singletask or don't get carried away
[14:38] <eyeoh> (I don't run VMs)
[14:38] <blackflow> I'm on i3wm now (but gentoo, not ubuntu). with FF open and a dozen or so tabs in it, few terminals, used memory is 1.3G out of 8
[14:38] <eyeoh> it's so good
[14:39] <blackflow> indeed. fresh bionic installation and FF just opened to default tab? 3-4 GB used.
[14:39] <blackflow> ohyeahnothanks :)
[14:40] <blackflow> moderate swapping is good. with modern software there will always be some part of RAM that can be easily swapped out as it's nt used.
[14:40] <eyeoh> my path to i3 was this: I got my first 23" monitor through work for only $15, then I found myself loading more Chrome tabs and windows so my FX5200 struggled and I could hear the fan blazing (this was with Unity, 16.04 LTS).
[14:40] <eyeoh> So I bought a new graphics card; great.
[14:41] <eyeoh> But I knew it wasn't optimal and came across this blog entry: http://adereth.github.io/blog/2013/10/02/why-you-should-try-a-tiling-window-manager/
[14:41] <blackflow> itsy bitsy offtopic, tho' :)
[14:41] <eyeoh> oop
[14:41] <eyeoh> well, it's... ubuntu-oh the other one
[14:42] <blackflow> bottom line. moderate swapping is good (when it's paging unused RAM, and NOT to free up RAM under pressure). I'd keep at least 2GB of a swap partition/file around (though I prefer 4). default swappiness is okay, though I run at 80, found that to be a better number for my use case.
[14:48] <lenny__> hi, my hdd does not show all partitions ...
[14:49] <lenny__> external hdd ...
[14:49] <compdoc> lenny__, check the SMART for the drive
[14:54] <sigma__> I am trying to install retty on 16.04 and apt install retty tells me that it cannot find that package. As far as I can tell from searching the web, that is the name of the package and it should be available on a typical default install. Can someone help?
[14:54] <sigma__> I think this is what I need: https://packages.ubuntu.com/xenial/retty
[14:55] <_nedR> blackflow, the_drow eyeoh thanks for replies and sorry, my hdd went full while downloading iso :/
[14:55] <eyeoh> D;
[14:55] <lenny__> compdoc, treshold not exceeded. disk is OK, 8 bad sectors
[14:55] <eyeoh> I know that feeling
[14:56] <eyeoh> I had to clear a few things from / before a dist-upgrade recently
[14:56] <_nedR> swapiness? never heard  of it will google.. ya i have pos laptop with only gb ram
[14:56] <_nedR> 4 gb
[14:56] <the_drow> vm.swappiness is a sysctl kernel parameter
[14:56] <the_drow> I like to keep it low since I have a lot of memory available.
[14:56] <_nedR> i need hibernate to file, so 4gb for hibernate + 2gb 6gb should be fine?
[14:56] <eyeoh> 4GB is workable but I suggest using i3wm *if* you can handle it. Otherwise maybe xfce or lxde
[14:57] <blackflow> _nedR: no need to add to ram size. when you hibernate, the already paged out parts of RAM are already there
[14:58] <blackflow> _nedR: though personally, I'd add 1GB, just in case, rounding errors and stuff :)
[14:58] <sigma__> Or can someone help me regain access to /dev/pts/1? It was used in a screen and that screen session seems to have disappeared.
[14:58] <sigma__> I thought retty would help, but maybe there's a better way to do this.
[14:59] <eyeoh> _nedR: are you upgrading from 16.04?
[14:59] <_nedR> blackflow, i don't understand, if 4gb ram is being used, and if 4gb is swapped out, won't i need 8gb to hibernate all memory?
[14:59] <_nedR> eyeoh, 14.04 lol... i meant will do clean install.. not upgrade
[14:59] <eyeoh> hah nice
[14:59] <eyeoh> _nedR / blackflow are we going for no swap partition here? And only swap file?
[15:00] <_nedR> am still on unity... ( i actually like it a bit, except it is slowish)
[15:00] <sigma__> Maybe reptyr will help.
[15:00] <eyeoh> yeah unity is nice but it's definitely a struggle on older hardware
[15:00] <_nedR> eyeoh, i think hibernate is not possible with swap file
[15:00] <eyeoh> you can always try another DE or window manager alongside Unity
[15:00] <sonicwind> on a fresh install of 18.04 with the new swap files, do you get to choose how much swap you have or does it use a default?
[15:00] <eyeoh> _nedR: hmm ok I see.
[15:01] <eyeoh> sonicwind: pretty sure it doesn't ask
[15:01] <sonicwind> ok thanks... with the partitions we got to set a size
[15:01] <eyeoh> at least when I installed lubuntu on a dell inspiron 8600 with 1GB RAM, it just offered / and /home; but I threw it all in one
[15:01] <eyeoh> actually yeah; it offers no partitions by default
[15:02] <sonicwind> right
[15:02] <eyeoh> *1 partition
[15:02] <eyeoh> That got problematic because I needed a /boot in this case.
[15:02] <eyeoh> (old BIOS and HDD >137GB)
[15:02] <sonicwind> I'm just beginning to look at putting together my next Ubuntu system... happy I just saw this convo on RAM needed for 18.04 gnome... sounds like 8gb won't be sufficient.
[15:03] <eyeoh> it's probably almost sufficient if you can 'depend' on an SSD for swap
[15:03] <eyeoh> depends of course on how you multitask
[15:03] <sonicwind> usually firefox with a few tabs open and hexchat
[15:03] <sonicwind> maybe libreoffice
[15:04] <eyeoh> I just think with 8GB, it's much more freeing to use a lightweight DE/WM
[15:04] <eyeoh> firefox I don't think is too bad if you keep it under control
[15:04] <sonicwind> sounds like 12 or 16gb would be much better
[15:04] <sonicwind> firefox is a pig to begin with
[15:04] <eyeoh> 16 is pretty comfy for most things imo
[15:04] <eyeoh> I find firefox more snappy than chrome these days
[15:05] <eyeoh> could be placebo; but it feels ergonomic to me
[15:05] <eyeoh> and the scrolling works properly by default (mostly)
[15:05] <sonicwind> I've never used anything but Firefox... I get used to something and I keep it, warts and all... it's what I know
[15:05] <sonicwind> I do like it
[15:05] <eyeoh> It's improved so much with Quantum
[15:06] <eyeoh> I do genuinely like it; except on mac it still isn't as energy efficient as Safari - but on linux I can't really notice it hogging much
[15:06] <sonicwind> I haven't jumped to the new versions yet, still on an old one (i know, security risk), except for testing the live dvd of 18.04
[15:06] <eyeoh> 10 years ago, Opera was great
[15:06] <eyeoh> but now Opera and Vivaldi use the same engine as chrome
[15:07] <eyeoh> oh wow; why not new version sonicwind?
[15:07] <blackflow> sonicwind: that explains why you think it's a pig :)
[15:07] <eyeoh> I've also never permanently lost tabs with it unlike chrome
[15:07] <blackflow> quantum really really really is a ..... quantum leap in Firefox quality :)
[15:07] <eyeoh> a tiny leap :p
[15:07] <eyeoh> but so significant
[15:07] <sonicwind> honestly, I'm waiting for some addons like NoScript to regain close to their full functionality... I think the coming version 10.2 will bring back , um, ABE and that other feature I'm forgetting
[15:08] <eyeoh> ah ok; maybe worth installing a separate version then? Go for Firefox Developer ed?
[15:08] <sonicwind> blackflow: I doubt the new Firefox is less of a resource hog
[15:08] <eyeoh> use it for some things
[15:08] <_nedR> on my slowmo system, quantum has killed firefox for me
[15:08] <blackflow> sonicwind: it's less than it used to be, but still..... hogish, yeah
[15:08] <lenny__> external hdd does not show under files ... lsblk shows partitions but not in files ...
[15:09] <kaili> Hello. I'm using ubuntu 18.04 on a HP Spectre 15 laptop. The laptop has an USB type C port to which I connect an external hard drive.  But Ubuntu seems to have trouble with it : sometimes it mounts, sometimes it doesn't (have to plug and unplug it a few times). And when it mounts, reading / writing speeds are awful (like 2 mo / sec). Here is what my DMESG looks like when I plug it : https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/7Vc2G6XbZ6/
[15:09] <kaili> How can I investigate what is wrong ?
[15:09] <sonicwind> not too worried on the security front... most important thing is to just be smart with where you go... and I use NoScript, adblock plus... never had an issue... and all my data is on external HDs which are usually off
[15:09] <_nedR> ff used to be main daily driver for me, chrome for gmail,youtube.. but now quantum is almost unuseable that i habitually stopped using it subconciously
[15:09] <_nedR> thats my experience anyway...
[15:10] <sonicwind> my OS is backed up with fsarchiver, which I love
[15:11] <blackflow> kaili: wait, your external drive is sda? what is your main OS drive then?
[15:11] <eyeoh> sonicwind: I've heard that uBlock Origin (not to be confused with uBlock) is supposedly better than ABP but I wouldn't really know for sure firshand.
[15:11] <sonicwind> my ext drive is sda also... I run from a (separate) external drive... works great for me
[15:11] <kaili> blackflow:  nvme0n1p2
[15:11] <kaili> blackflow: whatever that means :p
[15:11] <eyeoh> _nedR: ah bummer
[15:12] <blackflow> kaili: oooh I see, yeh. a NVMe ssd
[15:12] <sonicwind> eyeoh, I've read that... but again, ABP is what I know... comfort...
[15:12] <sonicwind> I looked at Ublock origin and the interface was confusing to me... just from looking at pics
[15:12] <eyeoh> lenny__: When did your HDD last show all partitions?
[15:12] <eyeoh> (under what conditions)
[15:12] <sonicwind> not that ABP wasn't also very confusing the first time I ever looked at it lol
[15:13] <blackflow> kaili: anyway, I wouldn't know what's wrong. USB c things are a mystery to me. nothing immediately visible from the dmesg. my initial thought was you're connecting with usb 2.0 and/or are using a flash disk that's pretending to be usb3
[15:13] <eyeoh> I've looked at USB 3.0 the past couple of days a little bit; it's interesting..
[15:14] <eyeoh> is the type-c usb 3.0 kaili?
[15:14] <lenny__> eyeoh, last time I connected to laptop ... few weeks ... it shows partitions in lsblk and fdisk but not in files ... do I have to manually mount it?
[15:14] <kaili> eyeoh: yes
[15:14] <eyeoh> looking at the dmesg and... I need a power outlet
[15:15] <blackflow> kaili: $1M question is, is it _really_ ...  I've heard bad things about fake  usb-c hardware. I've bought supposedly usb3 flash drives only to find out they aren't really. cheap chiense stuff.
[15:16] <sonicwind> there's different uh, levels, of usb 3.0, isn't there?  not sure I'm wording it right.
[15:16] <sonicwind> seen some references to "full" usb 3.0
[15:16] <kaili> blackflow & eyeoh : this is the HD case : https://www.amazon.fr/Storeva-Arrow-Type-Space-Grey/dp/B01F5T8QZQ/ref=sr_1_1/261-3477552-5811523?s=computers&ie=UTF8&qid=1529248547&sr=1-1
[15:16] <kaili> it's USB 3.1 actually
[15:17] <kaili> The HD inside was bought separately. But it performs very well under Windows, so I'm quite confident the problem is the way Ubuntu deals with it
[15:18] <HankMoody> Having issues w/ VLC and it playing any video file. Running through the VLC log gains me no insight, the only thing I'm seeing in syslog is a segfault where it mentions error code 4 in error 4 in amdgpu_dri.so Obviously it's having issues w/ the AMD GPU, but I've got the proper drivers from AMD installed and ANY hardware accel settings make no difference. Running 18.04
[15:22] <eyeoh> The dmesg does mention SuperSpeedPlus
[15:23] <eyeoh> USB 3.1
[15:23] <eyeoh> ah mentioned already
[15:23] <sonicwind> HankMoody, I don't have an answer for that, but just want to point out that there is a linux subforum on the VLC forum, if you don't get an answer here. That's where I go for my VLC issues.
[15:23] <the_drow> I'm stuck with a kernel upgrade because the evdi kernel module cannot be found. This happened after I upgraded to 18.04. I can't upgrade my system and dpkg -configure -a hangs. Also attempting to install evdi from DisplayLink's website also hangs. dkms CPU is 0% and not cpu time is handed to it
[15:23] <the_drow> Any idea why?
[15:24] <ntd> ubuntu/canonical really should follow debians lead and update stable to vlc3
[15:24] <eyeoh> kaili: hmm I'm curious to wonder if the same setup with USB 3.0 would make any difference. There doesn't seem to be anything obviously wrong in the dmesg you pasted?
[15:24] <ntd> vlc2 won't be getting required sec updates
[15:24] <BluesKaj> HankMoody:  it's interesting to see the errors , but what kind of vlc behaviour is actually taking place
[15:25] <eyeoh> kaili: so have you determined when 'sometimes' is for when it mounts?
[15:25] <HankMoody> Appreciated sonicwind, I'll check that out. I just hopped in the Videolan channel here hoping I might get an answer there if nobody has any idea here.
[15:25] <sonicwind> right, I hadn't thought about the videolan channel
[15:26] <HankMoody> BluesKaj: I open a video, it instantly crashes, the VLC log shows nothing except info about the file I was loading, then there's a little commotion in syslog with only the one line pertaining to vlc
[15:26] <eyeoh> lenny__: do you see the drive in gnome-disks or similar?
[15:26] <eyeoh> (I don't really know lsblk)
[15:27] <eyeoh> but gnome-disks tends to make mounting easy if it's going to mount
[15:28] <eyeoh> HankMoody: yeah your issue sounds somewhat vague; what troubleshooting steps have you tried so far?
[15:28] <lenny__> eyeoh, yes I can see with all partitions ... I closed few programs because I wanted to restart system after installing other updates and as soon I close it all partitions appear in files ...
[15:28] <kaili> eyeoh: actually there is something in the dmesg when I copy files to the device : https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/GzJyy88Kt8/
[15:28] <lenny__> eyeoh, so now I can see it ... all of them ...
[15:28] <eyeoh> lenny__: problem fixed?
[15:29] <lenny__> eyeoh, looks like ... thanks ... could be because of those updates? I have not restart system yet ...
[15:29] <eyeoh> lenny__: hard to tell; best way is to keep testing
[15:30] <eyeoh> reboots are always good
[15:30] <BluesKaj> HankMoody:  do any other media players work ok, like mpv or ffplay?
[15:30] <eyeoh> sometimes..
[15:30] <lenny__> eyeoh, thanks ...
[15:30] <lenny__> reboot
[15:31] <eyeoh> got rid of one
[15:31] <eyeoh> kidding :p
[15:32] <eyeoh> hmm so kaili - this USB external drive; did you prepare it using ubuntu 18.04?
[15:32] <eyeoh> or: where does it work?
[15:34] <kaili> Or with Windows and Mac (read-only) at expected speed. I believe I used gparted to format it to ntfs, but it was a long time ago so...
[15:34] <eyeoh> HankMoody: the vlc people will probably have a more robust troubleshooting process but I'd try things like creating a new profile/login and seeing if that's any better, or even trying different versions
[15:35] <eyeoh> kaili: oh ntfs. hmm
[15:35] <eyeoh> have you dealt with ntfs before in ubuntu?
[15:35] <kaili> https://askubuntu.com/questions/1027654/the-speed-of-usb-3-0-port-is-very-slow
[15:36] <eyeoh> (it should be fairly automatic these days hey?)
[15:36] <kaili> Actually it seems I'm not alone :)
[15:36] <kaili> Yes it is automatic
[15:36] <HankMoody> eyeoh: trying every form of hardware acceleration, disabling it outright, removing ubuntu-restricted-extras - reinstalling restricted-extras. Making sure that the old "ugly" gstreamer plugins weren't installed (read that they could cause issues w/ the newer versions that have gstreamer built-in to a lot of packages, setting VLC's log to debug to see if anything crops up there, then googling the shit out of the error line in syslog to see if
[15:36] <HankMoody> there was any somewhat relevant topic. I guess all that isn't strictly troubleshooting, but it was all part of what's been done. I thought about trying an older version, but I figured I'd run here first and see if anyone had any ideas. BluesKaj Yeah I tried the base "videos" (used to be called totem I think?) program to play stuff, no dice there either.
[15:36] <kaili> No solution through
[15:37] <BluesKaj> HankMoody:  seems like a gpu driver problem
[15:37] <eyeoh> HankMoody: hmm that's weird  kaili: hmm that's weird too
[15:38] <eyeoh> HankMoody: do you have an integrated graphics chip to fall back to?
[15:39] <eyeoh> and, does safe mode still exist these days?
[15:39] <eyeoh> I might be thinking of not-ubuntu
[15:39] <HankMoody> What I was thinking - and dreading. I've got the AMD driver from their site installed - followed the steps from: https://linuxconfig.org/how-to-install-the-latest-amd-radeon-drivers-on-ubuntu-18-04-bionic-beaver-linux
[15:39] <eyeoh> um..
[15:39] <oerheks> and what videocard is this, HankMoody ?
[15:40] <eyeoh> I always use non-free repositories for graphics drivers (nvidia); I have a bad time doing it directly or manually
[15:41] <eyeoh> with amd, the free drivers should be better right?
[15:41] <oerheks> the driver he points at, is the amdgpu-pro driver, he already has the amdgpu
[15:41] <BluesKaj> HankMoody:  aha, no wonder , if you had a kernel upgrade since installing that driver, it's broken now . install the recommended driver
[15:41] <oerheks> these are the 'free' drivers
[15:41] <eyeoh> I never remember the names; help me out
[15:42] <oerheks> !amd > eyeoh take a read
[15:42] <BluesKaj> gotta go ...stuff to do
[15:42] <HankMoody> This is my first ATI/AMD GPU ever. Always bought NVIDIA because of the absolute fucking nightmare that was ATI drivers for the longest time. But a free computer is a free computer - buddy of mine upgraded and gifted it to me.
[15:42] <eyeoh> ubottu: thanks
[15:43] <eyeoh> oerheks: thanks yo
[15:43] <oerheks> agian; what videocard is this, HankMoody ?
[15:44] <ntd> amdgpu-pro is only needed for compute/opencl/etc
[15:44] <ntd> ofc, if you plan to do gaming it will ofc come in handy
[15:44] <ntd> but amdgpu (included in kernel) should suffice for desktop
[15:44] <eyeoh> yeah with amd/ati, stick with the open source mesa stuff. with nvidia, use the non-free binaries from the repositories
[15:45] <eyeoh> phoronix has quite a few benchmarks suggesting the open source amd drivers are better
[15:46] <HankMoody> oerheks: Sorry, got inside the machine to make sure I was right. It's the R9 Fury X
[15:47] <HankMoody> Shit, some progress. I got an .avi file to play in Videos, or totem or whatever it's called now.
[15:48] <eyeoh> What did you do?
[15:49] <HankMoody> reinstalled the "authorized" gstreamer plugins
[15:49] <eyeoh> kaili: I'm sort of out of ideas re: external usb 3.1 ntfs hdds - I don't have a good track record with external drives
[15:50] <eyeoh> at the moment I only have a usb 3.0 adapter for my sata drive formatted to ext4
[15:52] <HankMoody> Okay, it seems to be a VLC issue. It works in totem
[15:52] <eyeoh> kaili: maybe as a quick and dirty test, try some other distros from live USB and see if you get any better luck with the external drive
[15:54] <eyeoh> just the one usb-c port hey? Got a hub?
[15:55] <Mr_Cyclops> Hello, I was just wondering, if there is a way to implement the SHR Raid technology from Synology onto an Ubuntu machine?
[16:07] <frognice>  /join ##c++
[16:23] <beaver> how to backup a folder schroot (debootstrap) ?
[16:25] <gambl0re> hello?
[16:25] <gambl0re> how do i find my $path?
[16:25] <O47m341> echo
[16:26] <gambl0re> i get /usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/games:/usr/local/games:/snap/bin
[16:26] <oerheks> beaver, see the wiki https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BasicChroot
[16:26] <gambl0re> does that look right?
[16:26] <oerheks> gambl0re, yes, looks like your %path%
[16:27] <beaver> oerheks: it does not explain to me how to backup my debootstrap
[16:27] <oerheks> "how to backup debootstrap" makes no sense to me..
[16:27] <beaver> ?
[16:28] <oerheks> debootstrap is used to run something from the hdd
[16:28] <beaver> in the command line sudo debootstrap --variant=buildd --arch i386 lucid /var/chroot/ http://mirror.url.com/ubuntu/
[16:29] <beaver> i'm looking for backup /var/chroot
[16:29] <oerheks> what guide are you following?
[16:30] <beaver> i have no guide, if i knew how to backup my chroot, my question would not be here
[16:33] <beaver> how do i backup my chroot generated by the debootstrap command line?
[16:41] <beaver> oerheks: how can I backup my chroot folder? i use : sudo fakeroot tar -cpzvf /home/beaver/Bureau/bot42.tar.gz /var/cache/LocoBot/ (for creation) and fakeroot tar xvfp ../bot42.tar.gz (for extraction), but when i use my schroot i have with sudo -S (in my schroot) : sudo: /usr/bin/sudo must be owned by uid 0 and have the setuid bit set
[16:56] <uRock> Trying to create a vault in kubuntu 18.04 and getting an error that the file xyz.enc can't be found when trying to place it in a drive. Created the xyz.enc file on the drive and it still doesn't let me go forward. What am I doing wrong?
[17:03] <demonxian3> i has quit
[17:12] <qwebirc23660> Hi, all. I accidentally changed the system language to Spanish. I changed it back, but now there is still a lot of stuff in Spanish, and I can't even open the terminal. What can I do?
[17:13] <dungavjk> Hi
[17:14] <nonix4b> How do I debug currently frozen Xorg session (on tty2, as is default for 18.04)? likely input/suspend related although clock on screen has stopped too (written using console irc client on same machine).
[17:15] <georgewhite> qwebirc23660, silly question, you've rebooted right?
[17:16] <qwebirc23660> yes
[17:18] <georgewhite> qwebirc23660, did you use the Language Support program?
[17:18] <qwebirc23660> yes, i just went to settings, language support, and clicked on Spanish
[17:18] <qwebirc23660> i thought i was adding a keyboard layout
[17:20] <georgewhite> Are your languages ranked correctly in that program?
[17:20] <qwebirc23660> what does that mean exactly?
[17:20] <qwebirc23660> I removed Spanish, now it only says English
[17:20] <georgewhite> A list of languages appear in the first tab
[17:21] <georgewhite> I have say, English (United Kingdom), before English
[17:21] <qwebirc23660> yes, English first, and then English (australia) etc
[17:21] <georgewhite> Try moving your English region above English, then reboot?
[17:21] <qwebirc23660> nothing happens when I click the other English languages. They are grayed out
[17:22] <georgewhite> You drag them
[17:22] <qwebirc23660> ok
[17:23] <qwebirc23660> brb
[17:26] <qwebirc26131> georgewhite, I believe that worked :)
[17:27] <georgewhite> qwebirc26131, great!
[17:27] <qwebirc26131> the clock was gone also. It is back. I can open the terminal alsol
[17:27] <qwebirc26131> Thanks a lot.
[17:27] <georgewhite> qwebirc26131, just to double check, if you go back in to Language Support, does it ask you to install more language stuff?
[17:28] <qwebirc26131> It doesn't
[17:28] <georgewhite> You might also want to put English (United States) in between English (Austrailia) and English just in case
[17:28] <georgewhite> I've just seen that's the default on a fresh install
[17:28] <georgewhite> so Australia, United States, then plain English
[17:28] <georgewhite> top to bottom
[17:29] <qwebirc26131> ok, thanks
[17:29] <georgewhite> yw :)
[17:36] <georgewhite> nonix4b, are you sure it's Xorg? I use Xubuntu, and Xorg uses tty7. Ubuntu now uses Wayland (I think...?)
[17:39] <georgewhite> nonix4b, you can find your session type by using loginctl to identify your session-id, then use loginctl show-session <your session-id>
[17:40] <georgewhite> both from your tty
[17:43] <nonix4b> georgewhite: Type=x11 Service=gdm-password
[17:44] <sonicwind> georgewhite - 18.04 still uses Xorg by default, Wayland is available (wasn't ready in time for default)
[17:44] <georgewhite> sonicwind: right, I haven't used Ubuntu in ages, sorry
[17:45] <sonicwind> no prob
[17:45] <nonix4b> sonicwind: does login screen use wayland though?
[17:45] <sonicwind> lightdm unless you choose gdm
[17:46] <sonicwind> I'm no expert, just what I've read... I know wayland wasn't ready to go
[17:46] <nonix4b> well clean install doesn't seem to have lightdm, just gdm...
[17:47] <sonicwind> I might be wrong on that then
[17:47] <georgewhite> sonicwind: I think lightdm doesn't support Wayland yet
[17:48] <georgewhite> As far as I know. I came from Arch with LightDM, didn't use Wayland.
[17:48] <sonicwind> he's not using wayland though
[17:48] <sonicwind> he says he's on Xorg
[17:48] <georgewhite> yeah
[17:49] <sonicwind> I thought Xorg still used lightdm in 18.04
[17:49] <Li> I'm just going to ask here since there is no nautilus channel
[17:49] <georgewhite> Li: there is on Gnome's IRC network, which is separate from freenode
[17:49] <sonicwind> didn't know gnome had their own network... is it irc.gnome.org ??
[17:49] <georgewhite> Yeah.
[17:50] <sonicwind> thanks, did not know that
[17:50] <Li> why ubuntu naututils users can go fuck themselves if they intended to right-click open-terminal while having folder/files listed in details mode
[17:50] <Li> thanks georgewhite for the info which I don't really need .. just wondering how much effort it takes for linux peopel to improve GUI and what I can do to help that process
[17:51] <Li> it's been like since "fromever" till "forever"
[17:51] <Li> it's just mind boggling what kind of crack linux UX developer are on.
[17:52] <sonicwind> georgewhite - just checked.... 18.04 uses Xorg by default but uses GDM instead of LightDM by default
[17:52] <Li> we have to into zillion unnecessary click just to change file name if someone needs to price to pdf file
[17:53] <georgewhite> sonicwind: right, gotcha.
[17:53] <Li> linux ux folks need to go
[17:53] <Li> almost all distros
[17:54] <nonix4b> sonicwind: that gdm appears to be running on wayland @tty1 and logged in session on xorg @tty2...
[17:55] <sonicwind> ok
[17:55] <georgewhite> nonix4b: Have you tried asking in Xorg's own channel?
[17:58] <Li> why it requires an electronic microscope to be able to put mouse cursure on the files browser edge to expand it? what moron designed that? and how is it possible to change it from configuration files if there is any!?
[17:59] <oerheks> Li stop your rant
[17:59] <sonicwind> I agree with you on that, Li
[17:59] <Li> oerheks: fuck off
[17:59] <Li> I'm telling what is going simple facts not ranting
[17:59] <oerheks> Li behave yourself, and keep this channel family friendly
[18:00] <Li> ok
[18:00] <Li> but you forgot to say please a for a fucking family friendly mode
[18:01] <georgewhite> Does anyone know where I could discuss an issue with a mirror?
[18:02] <georgewhite> #ubuntu-mirrors wants me to use RT for help, what's that?
[18:02] <guest0657> 18.04 update fails: file not valid will not apply update. time is UTC. dont know what is goin on. tried changing update server. any ideas?
[18:02] <guest0657> not yet valid
[18:03] <Li> guest0657: you better stick to 16.04 that is my experience
[18:03] <georgewhite> guest0657: is your date and time correct?
[18:03] <jeremy31> georgewhite Request Tracker = RT
[18:03] <oerheks> Request Tracker
[18:03] <guest0657> yes utc time
[18:03] <georgewhite> jeremy31, oerheks: thanks!
[18:04] <georgewhite> jeremy32, oerheks: Is that the Launchpad bug reporting system?
[18:04] <nonix4b> georgewhite: not yet... they might refer back to #ubuntu though.
[18:05] <guest0657> 16.04 works fine for me
[18:05] <jeremy31> georgewhite see https://askubuntu.com/a/335622/300665
[18:05] <georgewhite> jeremy31: right, thanks. That didn't come up with a Google search. Thanks again!
[18:06] <Ameisen> Getting apt-src to build gcc with no multilib or cross compilers is massively annoying
[18:06] <Ameisen> it _assumes_ you want to'
[18:07] <JustTheDoctor> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/G62XHBbL/
[18:07] <JustTheDoctor> I get this error when i try to do-release-upgrade any assitance would be appericated.
[18:08] <mindofmateo> Hi, I'm using Ubuntu 14.04 on my laptop, everything is up to date.  I'm using touchegg as a multi-point touch/gesture handler.  It works pretty well for the most part, but I have a gesture paired to SEND_KEYS "Super+Control+D" to show/hide desktop, except it only hides the windows to show the desktop, but doesn't show them when I do the gesture aga
[18:08] <mindofmateo> in.  If I use the hotkeys manually, it works 100% of the time.   If I repair the gesture to another function, it works fine, so it isn't an issue with the touchpad not working with certain gestures.  Why will touchegg only send the hotkeys one way?
[18:09] <oerheks> JustTheDoctor, " No space left on device" says there is no space left, of the system is mounted read-only
[18:10] <Guest49658> Hello, what is a good terminal emulator to use with ubuntu?
[18:11] <compdoc> how are you connecting?
[18:11] <mindofmateo> Guest49658: tmux
[18:11] <mindofmateo> but the default works just fine.
[18:11] <oerheks> !info gnome-terminal
[18:13] <Li> Guest49658: terminator
[18:31] <Ashberet> Hi Guys. How do you reset power management service, if such a thing exist?
[18:32] <plasmoduck> is there any way to authenticate myself only once and install as much stuff using sudo as I want without re-authenticating each time?
[18:32] <geirha> sudo apt install pkg1 pkg2 pkg3 pkg4 ...
[18:33] <ZPQ> or sudo bash
[18:33] <ZPQ> then do what you want but you are root
[18:35] <nonix4b> plasmoduck: you can configure longer timeout
[18:37] <oerheks> sudo -i # and the whole session is root
[18:39] <lbdesign> sudo -i    also keeps the users environment variables witch is nice.
[18:44] <nonix4b> that gdm-wayland-on-tty1 and xorg-on-tty2 approach is highly insecure: whenever that wayland part crashes, it tends to leave bunch of cleartext passwords on tty1
[18:44] <leaftype> so... I have a problem identical to this: https://askubuntu.com/questions/1036629/broken-dependencies-after-trying-to-uninstall-nvidia-390
[18:45] <leaftype> it's on Ubuntu-mate, but the advice I get over there is "well, you could reinstall", and I assume it's the same on either flavor
[18:46] <oerheks> if you installed nvidia from the driver ppa, just use ppa-purge to reverse
[18:46] <leaftype> oerheks, I installed it from "additional drivers".
[18:47] <oerheks> select nouveau in that same driver menu?
[18:48] <leaftype> oerheks, I do, click "apply", and after a second it automatically reverts to nvidia-390
[18:48] <mentayolo> Hey there!
[18:51] <leaftype> oerheks, I have it open on my desktop, so any other diagnostic stuff I can do live and post it to a paste.ubuntu.com
[18:53] <oerheks> no clue then, except you should "try apt --fix-broken install" like that askubuntu gives
[18:54] <jeffree> every so often I see something flash toward the top of my screen; either the gnome bar or the title bar of the opened app. It happens to fast to catch what it is. Anyone else experiencing this?
[18:54] <jeffree> and no, it's not a notification
[18:55] <jeffree> happems with firefox, not sure about other apps
[18:56] <leaftype> oerheks, did that first. It posts this: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/mM4qhDFpWt/
[19:00] <renn0xtk9> I got a usb stick that has a /dev/sr partition on it
[19:00] <renn0xtk9> when I use partitiotn editor it does not even appear
[19:00] <renn0xtk9> is there a way to remove that parition or is it like hardware made
[19:01] <mentayolo> hey there
[19:06] <jeffree> renn0xtk9: I had a drive with a u3 partition that required special software to remove
[19:06] <jeffree> so it could be like that
[19:07] <renn0xtk9> jeffree do you remember which softwhere it was? can we get it on ubunut ?free?
[19:07] <jeffree> https://askubuntu.com/questions/4653/how-do-i-get-rid-of-u3-system-on-my-usb-drive#4821
[19:07] <jeffree> I dont know if that is what you have though
[19:08] <oerheks> !info u3-tool
[19:09] <jeffree> nice
[19:09] <jeremy31> renn0xtk9 find what /dev/sr? it uses and do a> eject /dev/sr?  in terminal
[19:10] <oerheks> if it is U3, you would see a cd-rom *and* a writable usb device
[19:12] <renn0xtk9> I think it is a 2GB key
[19:12] <renn0xtk9> and when I insert it I see a 1.6 GB key
[19:12] <renn0xtk9> and a 400MB CDrom
[19:12] <renn0xtk9> which i never see in partition tool  even if I eject it
[19:12] <plasmoduck> lol
[19:13] <renn0xtk9> I will try jeffree link
[19:13] <oerheks> so it is U3, use the tool to remove all
[19:13] <jmadero> is there an easy way to apply a theme in GDM? I want to apply this one: https://www.gnome-look.org/p/1010486/
[19:13] <plasmoduck> jmadero, copy it to ~/.themes/
[19:14] <jmadero> plasmoduck: then how do I select it?
[19:14] <jeffree> apply with tweak-tool
[19:14] <jmadero> I'm not seeing GDM options in tweak-tools
[19:14] <plasmoduck> Rather /usr/share/gdm
[19:15] <jmadero> I have tweak-tools open right now and I don't see anything related to GDM
[19:15] <jeffree> sorry, don't know about gdm
[19:15] <plasmoduck> google how to select gdm theme
[19:15] <jmadero> plasmoduck: I've been doing that for an hour
[19:15] <jmadero> before the new GDM was released with Gnome 3 it was pretty easy
[19:15] <jmadero> now it appears like it's much harder
[19:16] <jeffree> jmadero: #gnome
[19:16] <jmadero> I'm in that channel too - but because Ubuntu chose GDM - this channel is still appropriate
[19:16] <jeffree> oh, heh
[19:17] <plasmoduck> jmadero, https://gist.github.com/rybakit/888262
[19:17] <jeffree> jmadero: I only meant that you would probably get an answer there :)
[19:17] <jmadero> apparently new version doesn't support themes
[19:17] <jmadero> according to someone in #gnome
[19:34] <renn0xtk9> hmm u3-tool is not working as it says Error opening device: Read-only file system
[19:35] <Jonta> renn0xtk9: What file-system?
[19:37] <renn0xtk9> udf
[19:39] <Jonta> On what storage medium?
[19:39] <ioria> smell Apple
[19:42] <renn0xtk9> It is a usb key
[19:42] <jeremy31> renn0xtk9 What does lsusb results show this as?
[19:44] <renn0xtk9> jeremy31 Bus 001 Device 008: ID 090c:1000 Silicon Motion, Inc. - Taiwan (formerly Feiya Technology Corp.) Flash Drive
[19:44] <nicknitewolf> why is LC_ALL=C not default on 18.04?
[19:51] <IkoIko> Im on 18.04. I have a USB tv-tuner. When i unplug it then plug it back in to the computer kernel doesnt see that i plugged it back in. Is there a way to make Kernel recognize i plugged the tv-tuner back in?
[19:53] <jeremy31> IkoIko Does it show back up in lsusb?  Have you searched google using the ID of the device?
[19:54] <IkoIko> i dont know what lsusb is
[19:54] <IkoIko> i havent searched on a serach engin e yet
[19:54] <jeremy31> IkoIko It is a command for terminal
[19:55] <oerheks> IkoIko, how do you tell the kernel does not see it?
[19:55] <IkoIko> whats the full command?
[19:56] <IkoIko> cause when i plug the dongle back in, the inicator lights dont light up
[19:56] <jeremy31> IkoIko post URL from terminal with the device plugged in> lsusb | nc termbin.com 9999
[20:00] <jeremy31> IkoIko Is the device haughpage(sp?)
[20:06] <pineapplelover_> hello
[20:06] <pineapplelover_> I am trying to install and use this program in ubuntu 16.04: http://www.nsl.tuis.ac.jp/xoops/modules/xpwiki/?OAR%20Converter
[20:06] <pineapplelover_> I just installed the binaries
[20:06] <PhoenyxCullen> huh
[20:07] <pineapplelover_> but when trying to use the program I get this problem: oarconv: error while loading shared libraries: libcrypto.so.10: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[20:08] <pineapplelover_> do I need to install it from source?
[20:08] <pineapplelover_> if so how do I get the yum libraries?
[20:08] <Dreaman> ahahahahahah  lame
[20:08] <Dreaman> rpm is yum
[20:09] <Dreaman> fedora
[20:09] <pineapplelover_> ?
[20:09] <pineapplelover_> is there a way to bypass the libcrypto error'¡
[20:09] <pineapplelover_> ?
[20:09] <Dreaman> this is debian ubuntu
[20:10] <Dreaman> deia all pakets lrgest distro
[20:10] <jeremy31> pineapplelover_ see https://askubuntu.com/a/339371/300665
[20:10] <Dreaman> debian
[20:13] <pineapplelover_> jeremy31 Yep it worked!
[20:18] <IkoIko> sorry had some issues
[20:18] <IkoIko> ok
[20:19] <IkoIko> I have a USB dongle tv tuner. On boot kernerl sees the tuner. When i unplug the dongle and plug it back in kernel does not see the dongle. Is there a fix for this?
[20:22] <IkoIko> oh, i had a lenovo y500, core i7. i can say from experiace Lenovo products to not play nice with Linux boot loader. I do not recommend Lenovo. FYi.
[20:45] <JPSman> Heya!  So, Im using 18.04, and my screen keeps rotating every time I move my laptop
[20:45] <JPSman> my  org.gnome.settings-daemon.plugins.orientation active is set to FALSE
[20:45] <JPSman> but it still keeps happening
[20:45] <JPSman> How can I disable this once and for all?
[20:45] <IkoIko> xrander -normal ?
[20:45] <IkoIko> search google for xrander
[20:46] <IkoIko> yes my lappt is rotating alot too :(
[20:46] <IkoIko> y
[20:46] <IkoIko> disable accelerometer also
[20:48] <theorem> what do you guys make of this ?  How can I fix this package manager ? https://pastebin.com/Xbwa6vRS
[20:50] <JPSman> IkoIko, Id rather just disable the accelerometer.  How can I do that?  The only package is the entire sensor package of iio-sensor-proxy
[20:50] <Jonta> theorem: Why do you want to remove less? And line 25 seems to have the answer
[20:51] <oerheks> !info less
[20:51] <theorem> Jonta: I am trying to figure this out by removing/adding an easy util
[20:51] <theorem> Jonta: subprocess installed pre-removal script returned error exit status 2
[20:51] <oerheks> don't remove it, it is a stupid idea to remove core packages
[20:51] <theorem> well apt is completely broken right now
[20:52] <theorem> so I can't use it to remove or add.
[20:52] <oerheks> good, valuable lesson, now reinstall
[20:52] <oerheks> :-D
[20:52] <theorem> oerheks: unrelates.
[20:52] <theorem> 8unrelated
[20:53] <JPSman> if I uninstall iio-sensor-proxy package, will I mess up anything else?
[20:53] <oerheks> .. especially there were 111 not upgraded
[20:54] <theorem> Jonta: https://pastebin.com/qGHhZLzf
[21:00] <hans_> when i set GRUB_TIMEOUT to 1 in /etc/default/grub, it starts counting from 3, any idea why?  GRUB 2.02~beta2-36ubuntu3.18 , on ubuntu 16.04-server edition
[21:01] <Jonta> hans_: What happens when you set it to 3?
[21:02] <hans_> (will have an answer in about 40 seconds)
[21:03] <hans_> Jonta, setting it to 3 still makes it count from 3
[21:04] <sonicwind> lol
[21:05] <acetakwas> I have just upgraded to Ubuntu 18 LTS, but on rebooting my i3 environment has been funny.
[21:05] <acetakwas> Windows open in float mode by default.
[21:06] <theorem> ugh
[21:06] <theorem> this is crazy.
[21:06] <theorem> what has broken dpkg ?
[21:06] <hans_> .... and setting it to 5 still makes it count from 3, okay, it's probably being overwritten by a config file read later x.x
[21:08] <schultza> hans_, after updating the file, are you writing the changes by running grub-update (or whatever that program is)?
[21:09] <hans_> schultza, `update-grub`, yes
[21:09] <schultza> hmmm
[21:10] <schultza> been out of the ubuntu environment for awhile. Need to update my server too.
[21:12] <hans_> nvm, turns out the setting in /etc/default/grub was being overwritten by a later config file, figured it out now :)
[21:13] <schultza> what file?
[21:17] <hans_> schultza, umm sorry, not a later file, turns out it was written twice in /etc/default/grub , on line 6 (which i edited), and on line 36 (which i didn't know about)
[21:18] <schultza> ah
[21:18] <schultza> removed a line?
[21:20] <hans_> yeah, i removed the 1 on line 36
[21:20] <hans_> then line 6 started working :)
[21:23] <Jonta> :D
[21:23] <Jonta> Deleted code is the best code
[21:23] <Jonta> Completely bug free
[21:25] <theorem> 100% compression
[21:35] <hans_> tru
[21:36] <hans_> theorem, https://tech.wayfair.com/2013/04/devnull-vs-mongodb-benchmark-bake-off/
[21:37] <theorem> ?
[21:38] <hans_> that database also use 100% compression technology
[21:38] <theorem> ah :)
[21:40] <alexhugo> what is now the kernel version nowadays ubuntu 16.04 has
[21:44] <Jonta> Dat URL
[21:52] <qwebirc91360> Hello
[21:53] <qwebirc91360> I seem to have messed up my path and would like some advice
[21:53] <Jonta> Go ahead
[21:56] <qwebirc91360> I created .bash_profile  and added some android stuff to PATH, and ran "source .bash_profile". From that point I couldn't use commands in bash due to the usual stuff apparently missing from PATH (e.g. /usr/bin, /bin, /sbin). I moved my commands to .profile, ran source on that and sent .bash_profile to the recycle bin (not emptied). I then rebooted just to ensure all was okay, found I couldn't log into GUI.
[21:56] <qwebirc91360> Fired up terminal, same messages about those paths being missing. Weird thing is, I check /etc/environment and the default path looks fine.
[21:57] <qwebirc91360> On 18/04 if that helps any.
[21:58] <Jonta> What are these messages exactly?
[22:00] <qwebirc91360> An example:
[22:01] <qwebirc91360> Comment 'ls' is available in /bin/ls ~~ The command could not be located because /bin is not included in the PATH environment variable.
[22:01] <qwebirc91360> ls: command not found
[22:01] <qwebirc91360> So it's pretty explicit about it, I just don't get why it's continuing to be a problem after reboots
[22:02] <Jonta> Because the .bash_profile's still in the bin, no?
[22:02] <Irritiable|LT> Jonta: "bin" = "buy in now"
[22:03] <qwebirc91360> I thought so at first, but removed everything in ~/.local/Share/Trash and the issue seemed to continue in terminal
[22:03] <qwebirc91360> Just restarting to see if it helped any
[22:03] <Jonta> Irritiable|LT: That's not what the first result on WP tells me
[22:03] <Irritiable|LT> Jonta: BIN: $5
[22:03] <Jonta> qwebirc91360: So. You don't have a .bash_profile at all now?
[22:03] <qwebirc91360> Nope
[22:03] <Jonta> Then I suggest getting one
[22:04] <Jonta> Irritiable|LT: Uehara
[22:07] <qwebirc91360> Okay, I'll try adding a bash profile with some paths
[22:07] <Jonta> :)
[22:07] <Jonta> Plenty of them online
[22:07] <qwebirc91360> And naturally, it works
[22:07] <qwebirc91360> Haaa
[22:07] <Jonta> :D
[22:08] <qwebirc91360> I'm concerned that I can't login at all without bash_profile though
[22:08] <qwebirc91360> That seems wrong, and it worked fine before
[22:08] <Jonta> Before what?
[22:10] <qwebirc91360> I started off with *no* bash_profile. I added it to add some android sdk paths but didn't realise that the presence of bash_profile meant .profile would *not* be loaded. So I tried to delete bash_profile, and started having problems!
[22:10] <Jonta> Hmh
[22:10] <Jonta> Why did you remove it from the trash as well though :)
[22:11] <Jonta> Aah, hindsight
[22:12] <qwebirc91360> I removed it completely because I wanted to undo the only actual filechange I had made, which was the addition of .bash_profile
[22:12] <qwebirc91360> So should've been back where I started before adding it
[22:13] <qwebirc91360> Bit confused :)
[22:15] <Jonta> I'd rename it to .bash_profile.bkp next time. Backups are nice
[22:18] <qwebirc91360> Sure, and I'd have backed it up if there was anything in there before
[22:18] <qwebirc91360> But there wasn't, because I'd only just created it :(
[22:19] <qwebirc91360> Thanks for you advice anyhow Jonta, at least I can login now!
[22:19] <Jonta> \o/
[22:19] <oerheks> !cookie | Jonta
[22:20] <Jonta> Naww!
[22:24] <qwebirc91360> Okay, new development: if I run "source .bash_profile" or "source .profile" from my home directory, the issue happens again - everything disappears from path
[22:35] <cryptodan_mobile>  I'd want to wish everyone a happy father's day
[22:45] <leaftype> what are the dangers of removing a diversion with dpkg-divert ?
[22:45] <leaftype> specifically for graphics drivers
[22:46] <leaftype> I'm getting problems installing, fixing, uninstalling, etc, with libnvidia-gl-390, because of mismatch with nvidia-340
[22:59] <grg> Is anyone here good at troubleshooting ssh issues? just installed an ubuntu server, pretty sure I setup everything correctly pubkey / privkey wise, as well as enabled the right settings in /etc/ssh/sshd_config but I'm still getting Access denied for password auth, as well as Server refused our key for key based auth
[22:59] <theorem> see ~/.ssh
[22:59] <theorem> and add your public key into authorized_keys
[22:59] <grg> yes
[23:00] <theorem> both the directory and the file will probably not exist.
[23:00] <grg> i created them both, and copied the pubkey to the authorized_keys file
[23:00] <theorem> and the key is on a single line and starts with "ssh"
[23:00] <theorem> ?
[23:00] <grg> yep
[23:01] <strive> PubkeyAuthentication yes on server side?
[23:01] <grg> ssh-rsa AA.....3w== rsa-key-20180617
[23:01] <strive> Oh..
[23:01] <strive> Check for RSAAuthentication in sshd_config
[23:03] <grg> omg I'm going crazy because my java iKVM viewer and my windows have opposite toggles to caps loick right now and I keep having to switch back and forth. lol
[23:04] <grg> i don't see RSAAuthentication in the sshd config
[23:04] <theorem> grg - best option : stop using caps lock.
[23:04] <theorem> use shift.
[23:04] <grg> I unbind capslock wherever possible
[23:04] <grg> well, rebind to esc
[23:04] <grg> so it's a habit to hit
[23:05] <grg> and haven't gotten around to rebinding it on windows 10
[23:05] <strive> grg: Try adding 'RSSAuthentication yes' to your sshd_config
[23:05] <strive> grg: Restart sshd service and try again.
[23:05] <kafar> hi
[23:06] <grg> still no luck :(
[23:07] <grg> wait, you mean RSAAuth... yes?
[23:07] <strive> Yes, typo; sorry.
[23:08]  * grg nods
[23:09] <grg> yeah no luck :(
[23:09] <grg> is there some default firewall stuff I'm neglecting?
[23:09] <strive> You're getting authentication errors; I don't think it's the firewall.
[23:10] <strive> Maybe I'm wrong *shrugs*
[23:10] <grg> hm, ok
[23:10] <strive> You have 'AuthorizedKeysFile      .ssh/authorized_keys'
[23:10] <strive> ?
[23:11] <strive> Also, make sure 'HostKey /etc/ssh/ssh_host_rsa_key' is uncommented.
[23:11] <grg> oh... that may be it
[23:11] <grg> hmm
[23:11] <strive> Remember to 'systemctl restart sshd' after making any changes.
[23:12] <grg> oh woops, I think I was just doing restart ssh
[23:13] <strive> Doh.
[23:14] <granttrec> how can I select multiple files in list view in nautilus?
[23:15] <strive> granttrec: Hold "ctrl".
[23:15] <strive> Then select.
[23:15] <grg> uncommented hostkey line, and still no luck :(
[23:16] <grg> I feel like getting my password working for ssh should be even simpler, but I can't even get that to work
[23:16] <granttrec> strive: how can I unselect a file, one is selected so even if I press ctrl it will just drag the file
[23:17] <strive> ctrl+shift
[23:17] <strive> grg: Did you use ssh-copy-id to place your pub key on the server?
[23:17] <grg> not sure what that is
[23:18] <granttrec> grg: check ./ssh/isa.pub or something like that
[23:18] <grg> the only files in ~.ssh/ are authorized_keys and known_hosts
[23:19] <strive> Server side?
[23:19] <grg> YES
[23:19] <grg> yes*
[23:19] <strive> Ok, and your pub key is in that authorized_keys file, correct?
[23:20] <grg> yeah
[23:20] <grg> copied straight from the putty key generator
[23:21] <strive> Double checked for typos? It happens...
[23:23] <grg> yeah, it's definitely all there
[23:24] <strive> So yea, the safest way to place your key on the server is using 'ssh-copy-id'.
[23:24] <strive> Safe and convenient.
[23:24] <strive> On client side: 'ssh-copy-id -i ./ssh/isa.pub' blah@blah
[23:24] <strive> ssh-copy-id -i .ssh/isa.pub blah@blah
[23:24] <strive> brb
[23:29] <strive> Hm.
[23:30] <grg> I don't see any log lines in /var/log/auth.log when I attempt to login though
[23:30] <strive> Uh.
[23:31] <strive> Are you connecting to the right server?
[23:31] <grg> I see the IP address clearly in the title of my java iKVM window
[23:31] <grg> and I am definitely using that IP in putty
[23:32] <strive> I'm fresh out of ideas.
[23:32] <strive> I normally run: ssh-keygen -t ed25519
[23:32] <grg> sshd logs to /var/log/auth.log yeah?
[23:32] <strive> Then, ssh-copy-id
[23:32] <grg> will ssh-copy-id work if I can't ssh to the system?
[23:33] <grg> I can't use my password either
[23:33] <strive> Why can't you use the password?
[23:33] <strive> Is this a server in the cloud with a "control panel" where you could reset it?
[23:34] <grg> the server is sitting next to me
[23:34] <strive> I only remove password authentication after a successful login with a pub lkey.
[23:34] <grg> I'm using IPMI to connect currently
[23:34] <grg> yeah I never removed password auth
[23:34] <strive> No idea what that is.
[23:34] <grg> I tried to add it
[23:35] <grg> it's basically a fancy KVM interface that works with supermicro mobos
[23:44] <grg> lol fuck
[23:44] <grg> I was using the wrong IP
[23:45] <grg> there's one for the mobo and one for the OS
[23:45]  * grg sighs
[23:45] <strive> Figured.
[23:45] <grg> okay well still refusing my key, but I guess I'll just figure that out a bit later :/
[23:46] <strive> haha
[23:46] <strive> Dang.
[23:46] <grg> at least I have logs now though, lol
[23:51] <frwlkkaw> hello
[23:52] <frwlkkaw> hello, on ubuntu 18 how do i disable that screen that comes after blank screan