[07:26] morning boys and girls. [07:32] o/ [07:32] o/ [07:56] Morning all [07:57] morning [08:46] hey brobostigon [08:47] hey diplo [08:47] hi Knight_Wrk [11:38] Any of you guys Mac users here ? [12:05] o/ [12:05] diplo: ^ [12:05] Just having an issue with Mac mail, smtp server settings keeps removing / changing port or hostname on its own [12:06] There is a setting saying Automaticaly detect and maintain account settigns which we untick [12:06] But it still changes [12:06] Hmm. What do they change to? Have you got any SRV records which are incorrect? [12:06] From say 465 -> 25 [12:07] So I take it that it needs autodiscover records to work, we've never used them... always manually enter ( only a very small company ) [12:07] But I did suggest that as what could be the problem [12:07] I'm not sure if you provide your email yourselves or use someone else, but it wouldn't hurt to check those and maybe update them if you can [12:08] something like `dig _submission._tcp.example.org` might tell you what it thinks they are? [12:09] We provide mail ourself, so we just normally enter mail.domain.tld - ssl with 993/465 but since a recent update ( this has been working for 5 years ) the mac keeps changing just the SMTP details [12:09] ok, will take a look ta [12:11] All the references I find for autodiscover etc are for use with 365 which was why I guessed it wasn't used by default, may add some records to try it [12:12] 365 use the same mechanism as the RFC, you can add your own if you like, it's described here https://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-daboo-srv-email-05.html#rfc.section.3.1 [12:15] OK, well I've added the record, wait for it to propogate and see if that makes a difference [12:16] cool [12:16] hope it helps :-) [12:17] Thanks, should have just tried it earlier, will add imap as well even though it already works :) [13:07] sounds like it's trying to change from SSL to plain? [13:12] Yeah, but not sure why [13:12] one of the many reasons i don't like macs, so little feedback in UIs to tell you what's going on. [13:13] Yup exactly, apparently there is a log, but it shows nothing :) [13:13] what's changed about the one today? is it a newer OS than the usual ones? [13:13] maybe you're logging it wrong? :-p [13:14] Only our boss has a mac, last week it just started changing SMTP details, be it hostname or ports [13:14] Waiting to hear back from bosses, they went on a lunch date, so that can be anywhere from an hour to three [13:15] :) [13:15] bah i had an amazing deal desktop system from the Dell Outlet but they've cancelled it due to 'technical reasons' [13:16] an absent boss is a boos that doesn't get in your way as smuch [13:16] I'mm not in their office anyway, about 200 miles away [13:16] But always the one who has to fix stuff :/ [13:16] * zmoylan-pi loans diplo my long handled hammer... :-) [13:17] heheh [13:17] can always toss on Thunderbird for mac i suppose, mozilla are meant to have finally put a dev on it again [13:17] Just installing the tmnations snap on my work PC \o/ hope it runs, graphics are rubbish on here [13:17] though i find it so nasty to extract data from that i regret ever putting it in for anyone [13:17] some day it will do email! :-P [13:18] My boss was doing that just before I left to prove it was the mac mail software and not the server [13:18] Albeit, 17 other members of staff aren't affected [13:19] but they're non-mac? [13:22] oh i get what you mean [13:23] heh yep, sorry,trying to multi task and failing [13:23] nah i missed the obvious train of thought [15:28] It appears the autodiscover did the trick, apparently been working since lunchtime [15:28] Which is when I amended it [15:32] neat, i know you need that for MS Outlook on mac, but didn't think it was required for the Mail app on standard setups too o0 [15:34] You didn't [15:34] Stopped working last week [20:44] for any b5 fans knocking about... https://i.imgur.com/IE2uXow.gifv