[07:26] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[07:32] <zmoylan-pi> o/
[07:32] <brobostigon> o/
[07:56] <diplo> Morning all
[07:57] <brobostigon> morning
[08:46] <Knight_Wrk> hey brobostigon
[08:47] <Knight_Wrk> hey diplo
[08:47] <brobostigon> hi Knight_Wrk
[11:38] <diplo> Any of you guys Mac users here ?
[12:05] <mgdm> o/
[12:05] <mgdm> diplo: ^
[12:05] <diplo> Just having an issue with Mac mail, smtp server settings keeps removing / changing port or hostname on its own
[12:06] <diplo> There is a setting saying Automaticaly detect and maintain account settigns which we untick
[12:06] <diplo> But it still changes
[12:06] <mgdm> Hmm. What do they change to? Have you got any SRV records which are incorrect?
[12:06] <diplo> From say 465 -> 25
[12:07] <diplo> So I take it that it needs autodiscover records to work, we've never used them... always manually enter ( only a very small company )
[12:07] <diplo> But I did suggest that as what could be the problem
[12:07] <mgdm> I'm not sure if you provide your email yourselves or use someone else, but it wouldn't hurt to check those and maybe update them if you can
[12:08] <mgdm> something like `dig _submission._tcp.example.org` might tell you what it thinks they are?
[12:09] <diplo> We provide mail ourself, so we just normally enter mail.domain.tld - ssl with 993/465 but since a recent update ( this has been working for 5 years ) the mac keeps changing just the SMTP details
[12:09] <diplo> ok, will take a look ta
[12:11] <diplo> All the references I find for autodiscover etc are for use with 365 which was why I guessed it wasn't used by default, may add some records to try it
[12:12] <mgdm> 365 use the same mechanism as the RFC, you can add your own if you like, it's described here https://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-daboo-srv-email-05.html#rfc.section.3.1
[12:15] <diplo> OK, well I've added the record, wait for it to propogate and see if that makes a difference
[12:16] <mgdm> cool
[12:16] <mgdm> hope it helps :-)
[12:17] <diplo> Thanks, should have just tried it earlier, will add imap as well even though it already works :)
[13:07] <daftykins> sounds like it's trying to change from SSL to plain?
[13:12] <diplo> Yeah, but not sure why
[13:12] <daftykins> one of the many reasons i don't like macs, so little feedback in UIs to tell you what's going on.
[13:13] <diplo> Yup exactly, apparently there is a log, but it shows nothing :)
[13:13] <daftykins> what's changed about the one today? is it a newer OS than the usual ones?
[13:13] <zmoylan-pi> maybe you're logging it wrong? :-p
[13:14] <diplo> Only our boss has a mac, last week it just started changing SMTP details, be it hostname or ports
[13:14] <diplo> Waiting to hear back from bosses, they went on a lunch date, so that can be anywhere from an hour to three
[13:15] <daftykins> :)
[13:15] <daftykins> bah i had an amazing deal desktop system from the Dell Outlet but they've cancelled it due to 'technical reasons'
[13:16] <zmoylan-pi> an absent boss is a boos that doesn't get in your way as smuch
[13:16] <diplo> I'mm not in their office anyway, about 200 miles away
[13:16] <diplo> But always the one who has to fix stuff :/
[13:16]  * zmoylan-pi loans diplo my long handled hammer... :-)
[13:17] <diplo> heheh
[13:17] <daftykins> can always toss on Thunderbird for mac i suppose, mozilla are meant to have finally put a dev on it again
[13:17] <diplo> Just installing the tmnations snap on my work PC \o/ hope it runs, graphics are rubbish on here
[13:17] <daftykins> though i find it so nasty to extract data from that i regret ever putting it in for anyone
[13:17] <zmoylan-pi> some day it will do email! :-P
[13:18] <diplo> My boss was doing that just before I left to prove it was the mac mail software and not the server
[13:18] <diplo> Albeit, 17 other members of staff aren't affected
[13:19] <daftykins> but they're non-mac?
[13:22] <daftykins> oh i get what you mean
[13:23] <diplo> heh yep, sorry,trying to multi task and failing
[13:23] <daftykins> nah i missed the obvious train of thought
[15:28] <diplo> It appears the autodiscover did the trick, apparently been working since lunchtime
[15:28] <diplo> Which is when I amended it
[15:32] <daftykins> neat, i know you need that for MS Outlook on mac, but didn't think it was required for the Mail app on standard setups too o0
[15:34] <diplo> You didn't
[15:34] <diplo> Stopped working last week
[20:44] <zmoylan-pi> for any b5 fans knocking about... https://i.imgur.com/IE2uXow.gifv