[03:14] <ubptgbot> iasi94 was added by: iasi94
 16.04 can only be installed via UBports installer, right?
 @dohbee, @tylnesh no, you can also use this command on the phone (or from your PC connect to the phone via adb or ssh)
 oh, I can do it from the device.. cool, i've been messing with adb on windows 10 at the office :D
 exceptiion occurred during update
 assertionerror: missing destination files: ['/var/lib/system-image/keyring.tar.xz']
 etc.
 @thepeter, not really, there are some bits out in the depths of the internet ... what are you looking for?
[04:58] <ubptgbot> John Clark was added by: John Clark
 Hi @iasi94 & John, welcome!! Take a look to https://ubports.com/telegram-welcome to get you started !! … There are  language focus groups too 👍
[06:48] <ubptgbot> Bx16 was added by: Bx16
 @Bx16, Hi Bx16, welcome! Check out https://ubports.com/telegram-welcome
 @advocatux, Hi! Thanks!
 👍
 Hi all! I'm on rc 4 (16.04) on my n 5 (hammered). I'm test the system and seems good and stable. Unfortunately i can't find more apps i use before on 15.04.. It's possible to install anbox on rc 4?
 @mixmoto, What OpenStore version is on your phone now?
 @mixmoto, [Edit] What OpenStore version is installed on your phone now?
 @advocatux, 2.40
 the vivid or the xenial version?
 also, no anbox for N5 yet
 @advocatux, Don't know.. the stock one i haven't touch it
 About camera on n5 there's a open bug?
 If you just installed RC, the OpenStore app by default is the wrong one. You need to download the xenial version from https://open-store.io/app/openstore.openstore-team and install it manually
 @mixmoto, yes
 Thanks
 you're welcome
 Sorry i have a new question.. I must uninstall previous openstor or just install the correct one? I just install it and i can't see differences
 I do prefer to uninstall a previous version when installing manually, but just updating it should work fine
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 @IMP3R4T0R, Hi ✵ ΙмPεRaԵσR ✵, welcome! I like that advertisement place :) Take a look to https://ubports.com/telegram-welcome
 don't we already have the correct openstore version in the xenial images?
 i think he's talking about apps they have that doesn't support xenial yet
 @Javacookies, this is only true if you wipe before installing it
 oh I see...so OTA cannot update click packages?
 so that means with OTA 4, users needs to update open store manually?
 i guess that is if going from 15.04. if you were on rc or devel for 16.04 you should be fine
 @TomasOqvist, yes, this is true
 I guess the devs will find a solution for that before the first stable release 🤞
 is the  wireless display (athercast) not supported in xenial?
 I do a wrong thing... I uninstal openstore and now i don't know how to reinstall it because if i tap on the file file manager says me there's no app to open it.. There's a terminal metod to install? Thanks and sorry
 @mixmoto `pkcon install-local --allow-untrusted path_to_the_package.click`
 I think you can install it with UT Tweak too
 @advocatux, Thank you!
 yw
[10:09] <ubptgbot> Black_J8 was added by: Black_J8
 Welcome @Black_J8 !!! Check this put for more about UBports https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome
 @advocatux, Done! Cool thanks!
 👍
 @Eranuzan, it should be, please make an issue on github if it dosnt so we remeber to get it fixed before release :)
 anybody knows what happened with the art 13 that you anounced yesterday and what we can do now?
 @j2g2rp, BREAKING: The EU JURI committee has passed #Article13. This requires sites to filter all submissions against a database of copyrighted works—creating a #CensorshipMachine that puts thousands of daily activities and millions of Internet users at the mercy of algorithmic filters.
 bad news
 Bastaaardo
 How to build ubuntu touch for a certain device?
 Source? Anyway maybe it's better to move the #Article13 topic to OT :)
 @Black_J8, https://docs.ubports.com/en/latest/porting/introduction.html
 [Edit] Source? Anyway maybe it's better to move the #Article13 topic to OT :) … Edit: okay, the source is EFF
 @advocatux, link OT?
 https://t.me/ubports_ot
 Is libertine still fragged on Hammerhead/N5 as of Xenial?
 I dont think that Libertine work on Xenial tbh
 in general
 [Edit] Is libertine/Xmir still fragged on Hammerhead/N5 as of Xenial?
 @malditobastardo, And Libertine will go in the future? or something like dat?
[11:16] <_kim_> Oh goody I was about to ask a question about libertine on Xenial. So what's the deal with Libertine?
 Has someone succeeded to put a dual-boot on Meizu Pro 5?
 @Zack, I Zack, afaik there is only @Javacookies here who is successfully using his nexus 5 with a dual boot. Maybe he can tell you more than I could
 however, as I told you before, it's not a supported feature anymore
 @Zack, [Edit] Hi Zack, afaik there is only @Javacookies here who is successfully using his nexus 5 with a dual boot. Maybe he can tell you more than I could
 @mattbel10, Thank you, that is unfortunate
 Might as well really wait for anbox to be ready and steady to go
 !
 yes, if your device supports multirom then maybe I can help
 I'm wondering why cloud music app was hidden on the open store for xenial? That was like the spotify of Ubuntu touch and worked perfectly fine on xenial O.o
 @geotechland, probably because it is not yet recompiled ready for xenial. The apps are being ported to xenial step by step and also depends on developers who should be keen to move their app to xenial
 @Javacookies, I found this thread on the XDA Developers page: https://forum.xda-developers.com/meizu-pro-5/development/multirom-v33-meizu-pro5-t3522660 … It seems there is a chance to have a multirom for the pro5 but could be dangerous and also reading the comments below it appears to be also tricky....
 @Javacookies, [Edit] I found this thread on the XDA Developers page: https://forum.xda-developers.com/meizu-pro-5/development/multirom-v33-meizu-pro5-t3522660 … It seems there is a chance to have a multirom for the pro5 but it could be dangerous and also reading the comments below it appears to be also tricky....
 @geotechland, some apps have compiled parts and some of them works relatively okay in xenial even if not recompiled … you can try downloading the click for vivid from the openstore site
 @Javacookies, [Edit] I found this thread on the XDA Developers page: https://forum.xda-developers.com/meizu-pro-5/development/multirom-v33-meizu-pro5-t3522660 … It seems there is a chance to have a multirom for the pro5 but it could be dangerous and reading the comments below it appears to be also tricky....
 it's up to you if you want to take the risk :) … even if you successfully install multirom, it's not a guarantee that UT will work as well
 @Javacookies that makes sense I may just have try :D
 Anyone also know how to change the background? Not sure what I did last time but I set a background and it remains white :/
 you have to also enable the dash background...if that's what you meant
 @Javacookies, Well, you are right. If it were for me and if I were using UT as my daily driver, I would not even think to use the dual-boot mode and risk to mess up my phone; for experimenting instead, I think it could be worth a try
 @Javacookies ahh I think thats it. How do you enable dash background?
 Nevermind i found it :D
 Hidden right below those images lol
 @_kim_, there's some issues with creating a xenial chroot i guess, but if you had a vivid chroot on vivid, it likely will still work after upgrading the phone to xenial (i can still run xterm on my nexus 4, from a vivid chroot under xenial, at least)
[12:13] <_kim_> @dohbee Thanks for the pointer. Do you by any chance know if that is an issue with chroot in xenial not working, or an issue with the way libertine is trying to do it?
 @_kim_, i'm not sure. i haven't tried to debug the issue, but it seems likely an issue with perhaps some library in the xenial chroot. perhaps an issue with xmir
[12:18] <ubptgbot> <Thilo Schäffer> Hi, I uninstalled my music-app becaus it doesn't work well. I can't re-install it because it's not in the store and the only alternative app I found is UTmedia but this App has as well as no features. Does somebody have a solution for me?
[12:23] <_kim_> try apt install music-app
[12:23] <_kim_> from the terminal
[12:26] <ubptgbot> <Thilo Schäffer> Does not work
[12:26] <ubptgbot> <Thilo Schäffer> W: Es wird keine Sperre für schreibgeschützte Sperrdatei /var/lib/dpkg/lock verwendet. … E: Schreiben nach /var/cache/apt/ nicht möglich … E: Die Paketliste oder die Statusdatei konnte nicht eingelesen oder geöffnet werden. … phablet@ubuntu-phablet:~$
[12:27] <_kim_> >sudo su
[12:27] <_kim_> >apt install music-app
 I think you can't simply use apt install as the fs is read-only...
[12:31] <_kim_> Ah. I forgot about that
[12:32] <_kim_> >sudo su
[12:32] <_kim_>  touch /userdata/.writable_filesystem
[12:32] <_kim_> reboot phone
[12:32] <_kim_> apt install
[12:33] <_kim_> rm /userdata/.writable_filesystem
 there's an easier command without needing a reboot ;)
 ./MakeWritable
[12:34] <_kim_> Cool! I didn't know about that.
 just kidding, that's my command LOL
 sudo mount /dev/loop0 / -o remount,rw
 that's the real thing :)
 but to be honest, I'm not sure if the music app is deb or click
 Music app was a deb for a short time, then it was converted back to a click
[12:39] <ubptgbot> <Thilo Schäffer> Ok, thank you. First try doesn't work. I will try it later again. Now I need to go
 Hi guys. I've just switched my bq e4.5 to the rc channel and updated my system. Now under the Settings->About I see that my OS is Ubuntu 15.04. … lsb_release -a in terminal also indicates I am using vivid. … So there are 2 questions: … 1) Will bq aquaris e4.5 receive 16.04-based OS? … 2) if it will, what am I doing wrong?
 You have to use ubports-installer to jump from 15.04 to 16.04 I don't believe theirs a way to switch in the OS itself.
 Thank you, still there is an option to choose the update channel in the settings
 I would really like to see Libertine work on xenial. … As a non developer is there any thing I can do to help with the effort?
[12:49] <ubptgbot> Vinicius_Correa was added by: Vinicius_Correa
 @puneach, to answer to your first question, yes, it will as all the devices that were operative already under the 15.04 OS
[12:53] <ubptgbot> schalkstalin was added by: schalkstalin
 Hi @schalkstalin  welcome! Check out https://ubports.com/telegram-welcome
 @Vinicius_Correa, Hi @Vinicius_Correa , welcome! Have a look to https://ubports.com/telegram-welcome
 @Vinicius_Correa, [Edit] Hi @Vinicius_Correa , welcome! Have a look at https://ubports.com/telegram-welcome
[13:17] <ubptgbot> <Thilo Schäffer> @_kim_, phablet@ubuntu-phablet:~$ sudo su … [sudo] password for phablet:  … root@ubuntu-phablet:/home/phablet# apt install music-app … Reading package lists... Done … Building dependency tree        … Reading state information... Done … E: Unable to locate package music-app … root@ubuntu-phablet:/home/phablet# apt install mus
[13:17] <ubptgbot> ik-app … Reading package lists... Done … Building dependency tree        … Reading state information... Done … E: Unable to locate package musik-app … root@ubuntu-phablet:/home/phablet#
[13:17] <ubptgbot> <Thilo Schäffer> Still does not work...
 Please don't paste large messages in Telegram
 Use a service like paste.ubuntu.com instead
 You'll need to do `apt update` before you can do `apt install`.
[13:18] <ubptgbot> <Thilo Schäffer> Ok sry
 Also, installing the music app as a deb is not a very good idea. It might have some bugs that it doesn't as a click
 music app should be in the store.
 It should be
[13:21] <_kim_> @Thilo Schäffer worked for me. I see the error is for "musik-app" it is "music-app" and yes it's probably better to install it as a click
 @mariogrip, did we not publish it for some reason?
 anyway, if you were able to uninstall it from the UI, it was definitely a click, since the deb apps can't be uninstalled
[13:23] <ubptgbot> <Thilo Schäffer> I also tried "music-app" and I searched the click but I can't find it.
 there is a broken symlink under `/opt/click.ubuntu.com/users/phablet/` that you can simply delete though, and reboot, and the music app will be "installed" again
 @mixmoto, How about battery life compare to 15.04?
 @puneach, That's 15.04 RC, not 16.04 RC ;)
 @advocatux, yes, I am installing 16.04/rc via UBPorts installer now
 👍
 Please, can someone with a BQ E5 (vegetahd) and/or a BQ M10 HD (cooler) run `df -h /android/cache/` and paste the "size" ouput here https://papad.org/p/ubp-devices-cache-space ? Thank you!
 @UniversalSuperBox, music app still missing from the store, that's correct
 and so does weather
 but it's included in the rootfs
 @advocatux, Done for E5
 Thank you!
 Only cooler to go !! :)
 "Add support for Nextcloud to account plugins - Only works with Calendar for now" ...but Calendar doesn't work now, it crashes after start (16.04/rc - M10FHD and OPO)
 @Waldbursche, Yes its a known issue
 @malditobastardo, Okay, then i'm not alone 😅👍🏼
 I big "thank you" for all devs for your work 👍🏼
 @advocatux, Did it for cooler
 http://docs.halium.org/en/latest/porting/get-sources.html
 This works the same way as ROM building? … http://docs.halium.org/en/latest/porting/get-sources.html
 @Black_J8, i'd recommend you join @halium for questions about halium :)
 @dohbee, ok thanks...
 What happened to the Document viewer in xenial? It is not in the OpenStore anymore. I am pretty sure I had it installed when on devel, and it seemed to work fine, but it is gone now. Was it removed in the update to RC?
 No
 Openstore and the channels have nothing to do with each other. Probably it was only a vivid build, and the new openstore will filter that out
 We need a list of vivid apps that are ok for xenial too
 Is there a flashcard application on Ubuntu Touch, were you can add your own words?
[15:46] <Beton> So, when OTA-4 will come out, will I be able to install it as a normal update, without reflashing my devices? (I have OTA-3 now)
 Correct
 is there anyone who can tell me more about development of Ubuntu Touch?
 @Black_J8, Hmm that is too unspecific. What part of it you want to develop in?
 @Flohack, Like how r updates pushed?
 Hm there is a system image server, and they are not pushed but you manually update them from the system settings. Then the update is downloaded and put into a staging area. Then, the phone reboots into our recovery and flashes the update(s)
 we have 3 channels currently for updates, stable, rc and devel
 thats configured also via system settings
 does that help  :)
 I would just ask how do you manually get your phone into recovery mode? 😊
 Depends on the phone. Normally hold down power and volume down.
 What device?
 Or up., Or both. Or better just GOogle it
 @UniversalSuperBox, Nexus 5. I thought that only brings up the bootloader though
 I mean UBPorts recovery page.
 @AlexanderPlaza, Use the volume keys to select "Recovery mode" and press the power key
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/MURisfQb.mp4
 Thanks!
 @UniversalSuperBox, I always thought why only LG used this type of menu
 It's genius
 Nexus devices use that menu
 The Nexus 7 2013 (ASUS) has it too.
 My Moto G5 Plus is similar
 IMO every fastboot mode should look like that
 @Flohack, Custom Recovery(TWRP) or Stock Recovery?
 @Flohack, yup.... … thanks
 @Georgecloon thank you !!
 @Black_J8, we use a custom recovery, it is based on an older twrp i think. it is not the same as twrp though.
 @dohbee, how to get that?
 @Black_J8, are you trying to port to a new device?
 @dohbee, yes
 Currently system-image hasn't been included into Halium's workflow. You'll need to use the development scripts until a proper distribution method is made.
 first step is to get halium built for your device, once that's built and working, you can join @ubports_porting for help to get UT ported and working on top of halium, for your device.
 @dohbee, So any device that has Halium working, just needs to have UBPort ported over to work... Mmm
 @AlexanderPlaza, Well Halium only secures that the device can boot, later on comes another ton of problems with hardware and GPU and so ^^
 Hi guys! … Can someone with the pro5 with 3 gb of ram tell me how does it run? Would you really suggest to have 4 gb, or there aren't performance problems? … Thanks ☺
 @Pgcor, It runs really well with 16.04. Fast and responsive. Use it as my daily driver now. Oh, forgot to mention that battery performance is quite good too. Maybe 4GB of RAM would improve speed somewhat, but definitely no performance issues with 3GB (at least not compared to what I am used to).
 @TomasOqvist, I concur
[20:01] <ubptgbot> Luigi was added by: Luigi
 https://github.com/ubports/docs.ubports.com/issues/117
 willing to make a pr for this. Also to add something about status in 16.04 and making the fs rw.
 is it needed for 15.04?
 I don't think 15.04 comes with libertine preinstalled?
 or am I wrong?
 honestly, I don't know
 If YOU needed to do this for 15.04, then I guess it's safe to assume that holds for everyone (don't have 15.04 running and haven't for a while)
 Id have to check to be really sure, but I'm 90% cecertain just installig the scope does'nt do much.
 15.04 has libertine pre-installed
 [Edit] Id have to check to be really sure, but I'm 90% certain just installing the scope doesn't do much.
 It does?
 it's just the gui app isn't, i guess
 Hmm OK. Learned something
 @dohbee, you mean the scope?
 ie, `libertine-container-manager` CLI tool is installed and usable by default
 @dohniks, no, there also used to be a gui app for managing containers
 would it then be possible to have ve the gui app in the open store? I'm using it without problems overhere
 should be, but i don't recall the exact requirements for the app
 It's not there right now, at least. Following instructions on the ubuntu wiki pulls it in at some point.
 but I guess getting libertine working at all on 16.04 is higher on the list
 it 'works' for me sort of
 speaking of which, what does it do for you?
 i created a container when i had 15.04 on my nexus 4, and installed xterm, and after upgrading to 16.04, i can still run xterm just fine from that container
 ha
 I had tried once to create a new container in xenial and lcm kinda did something
 there was a container, but it also spew some errors
 no icons in the scope though
 the scope wasn't built for 16.04
 not sure if it's been rebuilt yet
 @dohniks, On 15.04 works as expected, in 16.04 the scope was empty
 ah yeah, I think I built it myself
 Hmm, but as for me I can't launch any X app. Using ubuntu-app-launch starts apps but they crash immediatelly :(
 the scope will be empty unless you've got a version that was built on 16.04
 @dohbee so how did you get the scope on 16.04?
 @dohniks i don't have the scope on 16.04
 @dohbee, ok, how do you run xterm?
 @dohniks, started it via `ubuntu-app-launch` command in terminal
 creating a new cotiner in 16.04 was iffy. Something about trying to create a vivid container failed because of missing stuff, but a denial continer was just not possible
 ah
 [Edit] creating a new cotiner in 16.04 was iffy. Something about trying to create a vivid container failed because of missing stuff, but a xenial continer was just not possible
 I think somebody should write a bugreport (ducks)
 @YougoChats, you can only create a container for the version that you're running on the host
 Seems to me libertine-container-manager itself works, but doesn't have all deps/repository in place so fails to do it's thing
 @dohbee, Yeah figured.
 @dohbee, unless choosing lxd instead of chroot - if it works
 I noticed the scope doesn't work in arale Xenial RC-1 either.
 @dohbee, [Edit] unless choosing lxd instead of chroot - if it works (well, we've discussed this already, should work with both, but the tool doesn't allow it for chroot)
 @zubozrout, iirc, the lxd/lsc work wasn't completed and has some issues still
 @TartanSpartan, Not working as in not available in unity8 or available but empty?
 you can install it manually, enable it, but the list is empty.
 I think this piece didnt work:
 https://github.com/ubports/libertine/blob/xenial/python/libertine/ChrootContainer.py#L137
 no more overlay for xenial
 so the scope works, but just has nothing to show
 I'm not sure
 the overlay didn't go anywhere
 @zubozrout, what do you mean by install it manually? compile from source?
 @dohbee but for xenial?
 but i guess it does likely need updating to not use the overlay, and pull from the ubports repo instead
 also the ubports repo needs some rebuilding i think
 I think its not in the /etc/apt/sources of UT xenial
 @dohniks, doesn't matter
 oh, no. Just pkcon install the click package compiled for vivid. I haven't tried compiling it.
 @dohbee, well, if the rootfs doesnt use it, I'd wager you don't want it in the libertine container either
 @zubozrout ok clear
 well, maybe maybe not
 hehe true that!
 what i want right now, is my bluetooth to work reliably :-/
 Since we are on this topic I envy you you can run libertine apps at least manually. No such luck on MX4 :).
 well i haven't tried a 16.04 container yet
 you should :).
 hmm, seems my nexus4 has hanged or something trying to create a 16.04 container
 I can certainly create it on MX4 and even install packages. Then list them with ubuntu-app-launch-appids: … ubuntu_firefox_0.0 … ubuntu_python3.5_0.0 … but nothing works, although trying to launch python this way crashes unity :)
 yes but i can't run things on your phone, so that doesn't help me see what's wrong, so much
 well my nexus4 has gone a bit off the rocker
 well, where can I find logs for libertine?
 not sure what's going on but it won't show up via mtp or adb
 well, there's logs for each app under `~/.cache/upstart/` just like other apps
 wtf my phone is supposedly powered off, and it's unplugged, and the screen/backlight just powered on
 Ok, here it is: .cache/upstart/application-legacy-ubuntu_firefox_0.0-.log  … And yup, now that I see this you helped me figure this out a few weeks back already: … proot info: pid 20224: terminated with signal 11 … That's aal there is.
 [Edit] Ok, here it is: .cache/upstart/application-legacy-ubuntu_firefox_0.0-.log  … And yup, now that I see this you helped me figure this out a few weeks back already: … proot info: pid 20224: terminated with signal 11 … That's all there is.
 like, no google logo, just blank screen with the lighting on
 hmm :(. Doesn't holding power button fix this?
 @zubozrout, ah, that, I think I saw that as well, then I was staring at https://github.com/proot-me/PRoot/issues/112 but I didn't understand it and gave up
 maybe i should just buy another nexus 5, that hopefully has working wifi
 well i eventually got it turned off. maybe the power button is what caused it, too
 So openvpn won't connect because `/var/lib/openvpn/chroot/tmp/` is read-only
 But it doesn't actually put anything there
 10/10
 weird
[21:17] <ubptgbot> ciampix was added by: ciampix
 well, bother. i guess i'm going to have to reboot to get bluetooth back
 I mean I can add a new `writable-path` for it
 i have no idea what went wrong :(
 And I did, PR incoming
[21:19] <ubptgbot> luisfelipe was added by: luisfelipe
 Welcome @ciampix & @luisfelipe !!! Check out https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome to get you started, we have language groups available.
 @dohniks, Thanks for the link. Well, I don't know either unfortunately :(
 @zubozrout mind creating a bug report? seems you have the device and xenial and the logs and the reproduction in front of you. mine is currently in some halium woes
 I can't do it today but will try no to forget and do it tomorrow - unless someone is faster :)
 👍