[00:01] <stochastix> Is there a USB drive with hardware encryption that works in Ubuntu ?
[00:02] <warhawk> can you do software encryption?
[00:04] <warhawk> google linux usb encryption
[00:06] <stochastix> Maybe, but im wondering if there are any companies that have found a way to make it OS agnostic, without having to install anything. Someone at work told me they use Kingston with encryption, but unless its hardware based I dont see how it can with all of the OSes.
[00:06] <stochastix> They didnt give me a model number so Im not sure which one they are talking about.
[00:08] <stochastix> I read about the data traveler drives, but it seems people open them up in a windows VM to decrypt and then access it in Linux. Hardly seems like a good option I think
[00:09] <stochastix> hmm, I see one with a keypad on the drive lol
[00:09] <urgodfather> stochastix https://www.fabathome.org/best-encrypted-drive/
[00:09] <stochastix> That may work.
[00:10] <urgodfather> ive seen some that have 2FA
[00:10] <stochastix> This looks neat  http://www.legitreviews.com/kingston-datatraveler-2000-encrypted-flash-drive-review_177893
[00:10] <stochastix> Oh yea, same thing. urgodfather
[00:10] <stochastix> thanks for the link, Ill read through those.
[00:11] <urgodfather> ive seen others, but you may want to consider something more secure and less risky
[00:11] <urgodfather> like a secure server
[00:12] <urgodfather> IMO depending on what you are trying to store
[00:12] <urgodfather> if its crypto then they have speciallized HW for that now depending on the alt
[00:14] <syb0rg> is there any reason to use hardware encryption over open-source software encryption?
[00:15] <syb0rg> for data storage at least?
[00:37] <Mibix> need to set an auto join here :p
[00:47] <rcmaehl> HI all, I just installed 18.04 on a device and it's loading up to a purple screen even after waiting a considerable time.
[00:47] <rcmaehl> I verified the hash but it appears to be correct
[00:47] <rcmaehl> Is there anything special I need to do with AMD APUs?
[00:51] <rcmaehl> Oh, I forgot
[00:51] <rcmaehl> I'm using the default DE not Kubuntu or any other build
[00:52] <rcmaehl> Hmm. seems it magically fixed itself after a few restarts
[00:52] <rcmaehl> Weird
[00:58] <Cookie8888> hi I have a question about arguments and scripting can anyone help me with it please?
[01:02] <urgodfather> Cookie8888 what is the question
[01:02] <urgodfather> most rooms dont like people asking to ask... just ask and wait
[01:04] <Cookie8888> urgodfather: got it thanks
[01:08] <urgodfather> Cookie8888 what is the question?
[01:14] <Mibix> can you do those sudo smartctl tests on ntfs drives in ubuntu?
[01:15] <Cookie8888> urgodfather: well I did debit=1200 then debit="$1" and echo "$1" so showed the value 1200 but when I tried a second thing credit=500 credit="$2" and echo "$2" showing blank
[01:16] <guiverc> Mibix, smartctl tools rely on drive electronics; as long as your drives have smart chips (some cheapos don't) the fs (filesystem) being used doesn't matter (it's not touched)
[01:17] <tomreyn> Mibix: NTFS is a file system. S.M.A.R.T. is a sensoric interface provided by the drive firmware. so whatever file systems and partitions are (not) on the disk, you can use it (as long as the drive provides the feature, but almost all do).
[01:17] <urgodfather> script looks right
[01:17] <Mibix> can you use it while its still mounted tomreyn?
[01:17] <tomreyn> Mibix: yes
[01:17] <Mibix> pretty new to the drive tools in linux
[01:18] <Cookie8888> urgodfather: not showing $2 as 500 just blank
[01:19] <urgodfather> change to different id
[01:19] <urgodfather> like "id" for example
[01:19] <Mibix> lol it appears i do not have smartctl installed :p
[01:20] <Wharf> anyone in here able to help me set up an ftp server on my vps
[01:20] <Wharf> sorry to be a noob. i have tried.
[01:20] <Cookie8888> ok
[01:20] <Wharf> i got as far as setting apache up
[01:20] <Wharf> kinda need it to point at that directory really
[01:20] <urgodfather> wharf what service do you want to use?
[01:21] <Wharf> one that works xD
[01:21] <tomreyn> Wharf: does it run ubuntu? why an ftp server?
[01:21] <Cookie8888> wait whats different "id"
[01:21] <Wharf> needed to drop some flash files on there for a red5 based chat room
[01:21] <Wharf> for video and sound streaming
[01:21] <Wharf> installed red5 and apache, but cant seem to think of an easy way for me to get the files there
[01:22] <urgodfather> Cookie8888 usually when i script i dont use symbols
[01:22] <Cookie8888> ok
[01:22] <urgodfather> wharf
[01:22] <urgodfather> use sftp
[01:22] <urgodfather> same as ssh
[01:23] <Wharf> easy to use mate/
[01:23] <Mibix> tomreyn im getting some weird thing about mail server config when i try to do sudo apt-get install smartmontools
[01:23] <Mibix> ant idea?
[01:23] <urgodfather> so open filezilla and put in sftp://youriphere and port 22 not 21
[01:24] <urgodfather> or what ever client you use
[01:24] <Wharf> also another quick one to baffle you, well i say baffle, this might be a piece of cake for you.
[01:24] <tomreyn> Mibix: that's unrelated.
[01:24] <Wharf> downloaded the red5 flash chat files, only instructions it has is edit the flv file and add ur servers ip pretty much
[01:24] <Wharf> every program i open the flv in, it becomes gibarish!
[01:25] <tomreyn> Wharf: setting up anything adobe flash based in 2018 just seems wrong.
[01:25] <Wharf> tried notepad, wordpad, notepad c++ , vb,
[01:25] <Wharf> i know xD haha, not sure why i pretty like the red5 stuff lol
[01:25] <Wharf> years ago i set a small website up using it, was pretty neat, seemed much easyer back then, now im brain dead lol
[01:26] <Bashing-om> rcmaehl: Still with issues ? Have you updated the system ? Do terminal commands ' sudo apt update ; sudo apt full-upgrade ' Any issues reported ?
[01:27] <Wharf> its a shame cause it comes with the direct admin control panel, but it dont seem to show the apache files
[01:27] <Wharf> in ssh the directorys are there, but the admin panel, it only shows a small area.
[01:28] <rcmaehl> Bashing-om, ran upgrade via a tty terminal. Seems to be working fine now. Wasn't expecting these kinds of issues from Ubuntu but then again I've been away from Linux since like 2012
[01:28] <tomreyn> Wharf: is this actually ubuntu you run there?
[01:29] <Wharf> yes mate
[01:29] <Wharf> stall Welcome to Ubuntu 12.04.5 LTS (GNU/Linux
[01:29] <Wharf> comes up in the ssh lol
[01:29] <tomreyn> !12.04
[01:30] <urgodfather> Wharf you need to upgrade
[01:30] <Wharf> ohh
[01:30] <urgodfather> where is this vps located?
[01:30] <tomreyn> Wharf: this is end of life, unsupported here. you could buy extedned support from canonical.
[01:30] <urgodfather> what host
[01:30] <Wharf> amsterdam mate.
[01:30] <Wharf> fdc servers
[01:30] <Wharf> im from the uk
[01:30] <urgodfather> thats fine
[01:31] <urgodfather> so do sudo do-release-upgrade
[01:31] <urgodfather> let it do its deal
[01:31] <urgodfather> reboot
[01:31] <urgodfather> ubuntu 16
[01:31] <Wharf> nice one guys, ill get on it
[01:31] <Mibix> damn lol that controller the questionable drive is on isnt smart enabled
[01:31] <Mibix> once i stop backing it up ill switch it to one i guess
[01:32] <urgodfather> how old is this controller. i thought everything is smart enabled these days
[01:32] <tomreyn> Mibix: the controlle rjust needs to pass through the ATA commands, it's the drive that matters.
[01:33] <urgodfather> https://i.imgur.com/Mreqjaa.jpg
[01:33] <urgodfather> dont ban me pls
[01:33] <urgodfather> just thought i'd share
[01:33] <urgodfather> :)
[01:34] <Cookie8888> urgodfather: I am so confused
[01:34] <urgodfather> Cookie8888 why?
[01:35] <Cookie8888> urgodfather: did credit=500 credit="$1" echo $1 assuming would show 500 nope blank
[01:36] <Wharf> haha xD
[01:36] <Mibix> tomreyn im guessing all these old age and pre-failure things are not good :p https://imgur.com/a/MiNgiib
[01:37] <sonicwind> those are just types
[01:38] <sonicwind> doesn't mean your drive is in bad shape
[01:38] <Mibix> it keeps dropping off
[01:40] <urgodfather> cookie chage $1 to anything else, use letters... like cr or db
[01:40] <urgodfather> so credit=500 credit="cr" echo "cr"
[01:41] <Cookie8888> hm ok
[01:42] <tomreyn> Mibix: #ubuntu is not ##hardware, but it doesn't look too healthy.
[01:44] <tomreyn> that's a consumer drive which has been powered on for a total of 3.5 years. it should have surpassed its expected lifetime by now.
[01:49] <urgodfather> tomreyn you'd be surprised about the lifespan of consumer drives
[01:49] <urgodfather> i have sites still using PATA
[01:49] <urgodfather> daily
[01:49] <urgodfather> how idk
[01:49] <urgodfather> lol
[01:52] <rcmaehl> urgodfather, cheaper to maintain than upgrade
[01:53] <urgodfather> not when you cant find drives
[01:53] <urgodfather> thats our biggest issue
[01:53] <rcmaehl> https://www.amazon.com/Maxtor-6L250R0-250GB-7200RPM-Drive/dp/B000YJ2UPA/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1529459628&sr=8-4&keywords=IDE+drive
[01:54] <rcmaehl> Ummm
[01:55] <urgodfather> reviews dont look good
[01:55] <rcmaehl> There's also WD blues
[01:55] <rcmaehl> and diamondmax
[01:55] <rcmaehl> There's surprisingly more IDE drives on amazon than I though
[01:56] <rcmaehl> I should buy one for my P3 retro machine since some are NiB
[01:56] <rcmaehl> Or 4
[01:56] <urgodfather> rcmaehl want some OG xbox's too?
[01:56] <urgodfather> i have like 3 of them
[01:56] <leftyfb> please stay on topic
[01:56] <rcmaehl> Sure. Those make great console emulators
[01:56] <urgodfather> they do
[01:56] <rcmaehl> okay
[01:56] <rcmaehl> sorry leftyfb
[01:59] <urgodfather> sorry leftyfb
[02:00] <urgodfather> dont want to get myself in trouble
[02:00] <urgodfather> been there before, was told no more pass' regardless if it was me or not
[02:28] <eelstrebor> i went to install a new ssd but was unable to install with the xfs filesystem but ext4 worked fine - i got the OS installed with XFS but the system wouldn't boot but the system booted with ext4
[02:30] <eelstrebor> i heard about a new filesystem called f2fs but i guess it isn't ready for "primetime"
[02:43] <WoC-> eelstrebor, Android makes use of that
[02:43] <Randolf> What is the difference between ubuntu-18.04-server-amd64.iso and ubuntu-18.04-live-server-amd64.iso (with the word "live" being included in the file name on the latter)?  The size is obviously different, but I'm wondering ... does the "live" version include extra modules by default?  Thanks.
[02:44] <WoC-> Randolf, server implies less gui
[02:44] <Randolf> Yeah, I know.
[02:44] <Randolf> I'm asking about the difference between these two ISO images based on the "live" part being in the filename.
[02:44] <WoC-> live = desktop
[02:45] <Randolf> Huh?  Both of these are server OSes.
[02:45] <WoC-> yes, but live you can run off the install media and has gui
[02:45] <Randolf> I tried to find out by searching the web site, but nothing came up.
[02:45] <Randolf> Oh, I see.
[02:45] <Randolf> Okay.
[02:46] <Randolf> I had noticed that Python and a whole bunch of other modules got installed along with Ubuntu Server when I installed from the "live" ISO>
[02:46] <Randolf> .
[02:46] <Randolf> I don't remember that being the case with 16.04.
[02:47] <WoC-> same here, my mem fails me
[02:47] <Randolf> I like to start with a minimal installation when it comes to servers, and then just add what's needed.
[02:48] <WoC-> [; good approach, minimalism
[02:48] <WoC-> nice & tidy
[02:49] <WoC-> The opposite of Android [;
[02:49] <Randolf> That's one thing I really liked about NetBSD.  What I dislike about NetBSD is that upgrading packages regularly breaks things, and the packages all get installed under /usr/pkg/etc/ ... instead of just /etc/ and friends.
[02:50] <Randolf> Smart phones are getting very fat nowadays.
[02:50] <WoC-> All them Winblows developers umping to Android...
[02:51] <WoC-> jumping
[02:51] <Randolf> Heheh.
[02:51] <WoC-> NetBSD ran really good on my Sun ;]
[02:52] <WoC-> Then again, dependencies tend to break
[02:52] <Randolf> I heard that Microsoft made a second attempt at a Windows phone a few years ago.  When I first heard that my initial reaction was "oh, that's old news, they did that and failed miserably."  Then I was informed that Microsoft had tried again and so I adjusted my reaction to "oh, so they failed again.
[02:52] <Randolf> I guess that's not a surprise since I don't know a single person who uses a Windows phone; it's either iPhone or Android, plus a few uknown non-Windows phones from China that nobody here has ever heard of."
[02:53] <Randolf> Dependencies ... I find that under Ubuntu Linux, this doesn't seem to be a problem at all.
[02:53] <WoC-> Supposed to be one or two Linux phones in europe and one in china
[02:53] <Randolf> And on some of my servers I'm using a lot of stuff like Apache, ModPerl, libapreq, ImageMagick, OpenVPN, pf (compiled into the kernel), Java, and a lot of other things.
[02:54] <WoC-> Native code, not java
[02:54] <Randolf> Is there a Ubuntu for SmartPhone OS option?  I recall reading something about this a few years ago, but didn't look into it further.
[02:54] <WoC-> i think its dead...
[02:54] <Randolf> That's too bad.
[02:55] <WoC-> aye
[02:55] <Randolf> I think that from a marketing standpoint, Ubuntu is well-positioned for being the de facto Linux for smart phones.
[02:55] <WoC-> Something about not being able to decide on the gui
[02:55] <Randolf> It's just got such a wonderful reputation.
[02:55] <WoC-> scoopes etc
[02:55] <Randolf> Oh, crap.  That war.
[02:55] <Randolf> That sucks.
[02:55] <palayoub> Hey, I have a very confusing question, I want to check what websites a process is calling, I have an application and it fetchs data from a server, is there away I can see the website path of the server the app is using to get the data from?
[02:56] <Randolf> palayoub:  I suppose you could use a proxy server and then log everything -- make sure your web browser uses that proxy server to access the internet.
[02:56] <WoC-> or tcpdump
[02:56] <Randolf> Oh, yeah.
[02:56] <Randolf> That's probably a lot easier.
[02:57] <Randolf> Although the output might be more difficult to parse.
[02:57] <Randolf> ...with human eyes.
[02:57] <WoC-> grep http://
[02:57] <Randolf> Aye.
[02:58] <WoC-> hope that helps palayoub ?
[02:58] <WoC-> dang gtg, nn, nice chat - ty
[02:59] <palayoub> i'll try both solutions, ty it's very helpful
[03:01] <Randolf> palayoub:  The proxy server I'm thinking of is called Squid.
[03:01] <Randolf> palayoub:  I suggest you try WoC-'s suggestion first since it will be much easier to get going.
[03:01] <Randolf> No extra configuration is needed for it.
[03:04] <palayoub> yeah, i am trying to use WoC solution, tryin to install wireshark
[03:04] <palayoub> the gui will make it easier for me i guess :p
[03:10] <Randolf> WireShark?  I believe WoC- mentioned "tcpdump" which should already be part of your OS?
[03:14] <palayoub> Wirshark is a program that i used before to sniff on network flow, but accordin to discussion in linux channel, neither tcpdump or wireshark provide access to full url path, only domains are shown
[03:15] <Randolf> Hmm.
[03:15] <Randolf> I'm pretty sure that WireShark can decode packets.
[03:15] <Randolf> HTTP should definitely be one type that it knows about.
[03:15] <Randolf> Squid will actually log requests, so you'll get everything with it.  But if you're already forging ahead with WireShark then just go with that and make sure it decodes the traffic for you.
[03:17] <palayoub> yeah, but the problem is when it's https
[03:24] <melani> hi
[03:45] <yzn> is there anyone?
[04:05] <BaKKaR> dears, i m trying t use the nvidia drivers from the graphics PPA and tried like 5 versions .. but it keep using my intel instead of the dedicated GPU - nvidia - and wont even open the nvidia setns. tried even prime-switch and it wont switch to nvidia .. what i could be missing?
[04:07] <BaKKaR> looking at the nvidia mod it is not loaded as well... i am thinking of reverting back to use Nouveau  cz of my frustration :(
[04:08] <qwebirc83138> So I’m really dumb. I accidentally uninstalled my WiFi drivers
[04:09] <qwebirc83138> I have the live installation usb but when I try to install the package from it, it says I’m missing firmware for module i915
[04:09] <qwebirc83138> I also upgraded my kernel from the kernel on the usb
[04:13] <BaKKaR> qwebirc83138: i am not much of an expert, but could this be the intel-microcode?
[04:18] <qwebirc83138> I just tried to install the intel-microcode and it threw the same error
[04:19] <guiverc> intel-microcode are bug-fixes (by intel) for processors/cpu
[04:19] <qwebirc83138> I am still missing firmware for module i915
[04:19] <qwebirc83138> And I can’t download it because I don’t have internet
[04:22] <guiverc> qwebirc83138, maybe this will help..  (I only glanced at it..)
[04:22] <guiverc> https://askubuntu.com/questions/811453/w-possible-missing-firmware-for-module-i915-bpo-when-updating-initramfs
[04:32] <slimetrap> any recommendations for a wireless printer which works well with ubuntu
[04:49] <Ben___> Hi chat room
[04:50] <Ben___> hohw do I install ubuntu studio on a SSD hard disk
[05:17] <sourabh1031> i am facing one problem in ubuntu 16.04 whenever i launch an application my mouse gets freezed but side panel tools work when i click on them like settings,i am also able to launch an application but can't work thereafter
[05:19] <sourabh1031> i even reinstalled but this didn't work and i searched on forums as well but i didn't get the solution
[05:36] <palayoub> :q
[05:36] <BaKKaR> Hello again
[05:36] <BaKKaR> posted a question ealier before i got disconnected :)
[05:37] <BaKKaR> i m trying t use the nvidia drivers from the graphics PPA and tried like 5 versions .. but it keep using my intel instead of the dedicated GPU - nvidia - and wont even open the nvidia setns. tried even prime-switch and it wont switch to nvidia .. what i could be missing?
[05:38] <BaKKaR> ERROR: Unable to load info from any available system
[06:37] <Rembo> which syntax is correct with "," or without "," https://hastebin.com/iqoculuzix.bash ?
[06:49] <gaydude> I accidentally deleted system 32 pls help
[06:50] <gaydude> somebody help me restore windows
[06:50] <gaydude> please
[06:52] <guiverc> gaydude, this is a Ubuntu Support room, windows is off-topic
[06:52] <gaydude> but I need help
[06:53] <ducasse> gaydude: try ##windows
[06:53] <gaydude> I see where im not wanted..
[06:54] <guiverc> gaydude, if you ask Ubuntu questions; you'll get a different response
[06:54] <gaydude> arch is better
[06:56] <hackinghorn> ah, the gay guy
[07:32] <OlofL> hi
[07:32] <OlofL> how do I enable flash in chrome?
[07:35] <Rembo> on Ubuntu 14.04 wich is the correct syntax with "," or without "," between email addresses: https://hastebin.com/olekiduzut.bash , i want to send emails to multiples recipients
[07:35] <lotuspsychje> OlofL: try chromium the ubuntu alternative for chrome and pepperflash plugin
[07:36] <OlofL> does it come with chromium?
[07:36] <lotuspsychje> !info pepperflashplugin-nonfree | OlofL
[07:37] <lotuspsychje> hmm it shows here on atp-cache
[07:37] <lotuspsychje> *apt
[07:38] <Rembo> can someone help?
[07:38] <guiverc> OlofL, this may help https://www.dailydot.com/debug/how-to-enable-flash-chrome/  (note: haven't tried it)
[07:39] <guiverc> OlofL, (it looks like it works for chromium..)
[07:39] <lotuspsychje> !patience | Rembo
[07:40] <lotuspsychje> Rembo: the best way to get your issue solved is also try to give us the most possible info, ubuntu version, package version? what steps have you tried,etc..
[07:42] <dadabidet> I have ubuntu 16, I want to install gnome pdf/evince 3.24, how can I do this?
[07:42] <Rembo> lotuspsychje, i'm using ubuntu 14.04 and i want to send via sh script emails to multiple recipients, i want to know what is the correct syntax: with , or without , between the emails
[07:42] <OlofL> When I try to do it in chrome> https://imgur.com/a/rFg1tqA
[07:43] <OlofL> chromium doesnt have these settings
[07:43] <lotuspsychje> dadabidet: we dont really recomend mixing package versions, but you can try !backports or snaps
[07:43] <guiverc> dadabidet, are you running 16.04 LTS or 16.10 - 16.04 LTS uses only 3.18.2 (https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=evince) for evince
[07:43] <lotuspsychje> !latest | dadabidet
[07:44] <dadabidet> guiverc, 16.04
[07:44] <guiverc> OlofL, i tried it in chromium, it allowed me to 'enable/disable'
[07:45] <OlofL> guiverc: i got it working. the wildcard syntax was [*.] and not just *
[07:45] <lotuspsychje> Rembo: scripting isnt really an ubuntu problem, perhaps try a more specific channel like ##programming ?
[07:46] <guiverc> dadabidet, the only supported package is the default; if you look for snaps in the snap.store you often find later versions (or you can go the ppa route...)
[07:47] <dadabidet> I installed the 3.26 deb I found on the ubuntu website... how do I launch it?
[07:47] <lotuspsychje> dadabidet: we dont reccomend doing that
[07:48] <dadabidet> I know, but it's just for viewing XFA forms, for personal use
[07:48] <guiverc> dadabidet, if install correctly; it should have replaced the existing package and is run normally...
[07:48] <lotuspsychje> dadabidet: you wills cramble your system mixing package versions like that
[07:49] <dadabidet> I opened the .deb and installed it through the GUI but it still launch the 3.18
[07:49] <lotuspsychje> dadabidet: from terminal: snap find evince, there's a 3.28.2
[07:51] <dadabidet> lotuspsychje, yes indeed there is a 3.28, but how do I launch that version of evince?
[07:51] <dadabidet> launching from unity still launches the 3.18
[07:51] <lotuspsychje> dadabidet: first you need to install that snap
[07:51] <lotuspsychje> dadabidet: sudo snap install evince
[07:52] <code_> hellop
[07:52] <lotuspsychje> code_: welcome to ubuntu support, how can we help you?
[07:53] <lotuspsychje> dadabidet: another way for your issue is filing a new !bug to your current evince version, and describe you cant open XFA forms
[07:54] <dadabidet> lotuspsychje, 3.24 can open XFQ forms
[07:54] <dadabidet> sorry but I ran sudo snap install evince and it is still running evince 3.18
[07:55] <lotuspsychje> dadabidet: after installing the snap, you need to launch the proper envince snap icon
[07:55] <lotuspsychje> dadabidet: not your older existing icon
[07:56] <dadabidet> I launched it though the ubuntu software app
[07:56] <lotuspsychje> dadabidet: works now?
[07:56] <dadabidet> what is the difference between snap and apt?
[07:57] <dadabidet> yes I launched it, but sadly it doesn't seem to display my document properly
[07:57] <lotuspsychje> dadabidet: snaps are secured packages from external maintainers, with more latest versions
[07:57] <guiverc> dadabidet, apt is a front end that loads .deb's,  snap installs snaps (container like apps)
[07:58] <lotuspsychje> dadabidet: seems like you will have to file a !bug afterall..
[07:58] <dadabidet> !bug
[07:58] <lotuspsychje> dadabidet: from a terminal: ubuntu-bug evince
[07:58] <dadabidet> sorry I wont bother to create an account
[07:58] <lotuspsychje> dadabidet: this way you will help yourself and the community
[07:59] <dadabidet> Ive read that its not really a bug since XFA are not part of the PDF standard
[07:59] <lotuspsychje> dadabidet: have you tryed finding another xfa viewer then?
[08:00] <dadabidet> there seems to be masterPDF
[08:00] <dadabidet> and foxit
[08:00] <dadabidet> I don't know if foxit is supported on ubuntu
[08:01] <lotuspsychje> !pdf | dadabidet
[08:02] <lotuspsychje> dadabidet: adobe reader & browsers can open XFA forms
[08:02] <dadabidet> no, browsers cannot
[08:05] <lotuspsychje> dadabidet: yes they can, with browser addons of pdf support
[08:06] <dadabidet> you mean the adobe addon
[08:07] <dadabidet> masterpdf offers a .deb and it works
[08:07] <dadabidet> not available on ubuntu repo though
[08:24] <siton> test
[08:26] <dadabidet> why cant I right click to create a folder in a window that is in list mode
[08:28] <guiverc> dadabidet, you would probably have to search the gnome dev logs to find the discussion about its removal, the for & against to find their logic... you can always use another 'file manager'...
[08:56] <baako> i have a phpstorm running but i have messed up the settings on it. how do i remove phpstorm please
[08:57] <Tazmain> Hi all, I am running a live boot of ubuntu 18, and I am trying to install xfce, but I keep getting unable to locate package xfce4 and xubuntu-desktop, do I need to add a ppa?
[08:59] <guiverc> Tazmain, you likely have to enable 'universe' repo for 18.04 LTS
[09:00] <Tazmain> can I still use synaptic to do that?
[09:01] <guiverc> Tazmain, i can on mine (not 18.04 or 18.10) so I'd expect yes.
[09:02] <Tazmain> I like using apt over apt-get now
[09:03] <Tazmain> I am not a big fan of unity
[09:07] <boboma> hello. I have a problem with java. Set java via update-alternatives --config java to java 8. I now want to compile something but get this error: Error: could not find jdk tools.jar at /usr/lib/jvm/java-11-openjdk-amd64/bin/../lib/tools.jar
[09:08] <boboma> why is it not finding tools.jar and why is it referring to java 11 when 8 is set?
[09:08] <susudo> i have a freshly installed ubuntu and when I execute "export HTTP_PROXY="...:...." then  "echo $HTTP_PROXY" doesn't print anything
[09:09] <Tazmain> guiverc, is it still called synaptic ?
[09:12] <blackflow> susudo: which shell?
[09:13] <susudo> blackflow I just started gnome terminal with alt+ctrl+t and I think this is simple bash
[09:14] <blackflow> susudo: and you're running echo in the same terminal session? right after export?
[09:14] <susudo> yes
[09:14] <blackflow> susudo: do you have any weird, control characters in that string?
[09:15] <susudo> blackflow: no, it's just "http://xx.xxx.x.xx:8080" where the x's are just numbers - I tried to write them down 2 times
[09:16] <blackflow> well that's weird.
[09:19] <susudo> also, I installed a xubuntu too and the login screen didn't appear - I could log in through a tty but lightdm refused to work
[09:27] <susudo> blackflow, moving the declarations to .bashrc and then restarting the terminal won't help either - it's probably a but in this bash build
[09:29] <blackflow> susudo: what does   echo $SHELL   say?
[09:29] <susudo> blackflow, /bin/bash
[09:30] <blackflow> susudo: and what does    file /bin/bash say?   is it ELF 64-bit ....      or something else?
[09:32] <susudo> blackflow, yes
[09:32] <susudo> blackflow, I successfully set HTTP_PROXY - I set HTTP_PROX first! Now this is crazy
[09:32] <blackflow> something is seriously broken there.
[09:33] <susudo> I don't know, maybe I should just reboot
[09:53] <sigm> How do I check what frequencies my WiFi driver supports without admin rights?
[09:56] <Xatenev> how do I transfer a file to my smartphone in ubuntu oo
[09:56] <Xatenev> like how do i mount my device nowadays
[09:56] <Xatenev> lsusb shows my device
[09:57] <Xatenev> but theres no dir for it  in /run/user/1000/gvfs
[09:57] <Xatenev> where would it be at
[09:57] <user01> hi can libreoffice calc be used to identify table pattern and predict? is there a channel for such questions? :)
[10:01] <SimonNL> some libreoffice channel on this server I reckon
[10:02] <user01> SimonNL, ok no response yet in libreoffice anyway
[10:12] <sigm> apt-get install wireless-tools gives me an error: Unable to locate package wireless-tools
[10:14] <lbdesign> First you should use apt instead of apt-get.
[10:14] <lbdesign> What does this say ?   "apt search wireless-tools"
[10:14] <sigm> Why's that? Still the same error.
[10:15] <sigm> Sorting... Done Full Text Search... Done iw/now 3.17-1bem1 amd64 [installed,local]   tool for configuring Linux wireless devices
[10:15] <sigm> lbdesign: ^ output
[10:16] <anden> i'm experiencing this issue https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gcc-4.8/+bug/1750937 on a 14.04 system, it says a fix was released but i received several kernel upgrades since then and the issue has not gone away. can anyone help?
[10:16] <lbdesign> sigm:  sudo apt install wireless-tools                That should install it. I have it installed by default on 18.04
[10:17] <lbdesign> sigm:  is say installed in the output you posted.
[10:19] <sigm> lbdesign: How do I read this output? iw/now 3.17-1bem1 amd64 [installed,local]
[10:19] <ppf> !info awesomewm
[10:19] <ppf> !info awesome artful
[10:21] <lbdesign> sigm sigm it say iw is installed from the repo local and the version is 3.17
[10:21] <sigm> Right. I was confused by the naming. iw = wireless-tools?
[10:22] <lbdesign> sigm: no they are two different programs so two different packages.
[10:23] <lbdesign> sigm:  you can use the command  "apt show  PACKAGE"   to show information on the package and it's dependencies.
[10:26] <qwebirc46007> Hi. What's the best practice for blocking ping requests
[10:26] <qwebirc46007> in 18.04
[10:29] <ppf> qwebirc46007: ufw
[10:55] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[10:57] <linex> hello. I have an ssd drive. Is it ok for me to have /var and swap on this drive. Previously I read it is not advisable. What about the ssd nowadays ?
[11:00] <Allie`> linex: i have everything on the SSD because all my drives are SSDs :P
[11:00] <Allie`> but your whole system on there, it won’t be a problem
[11:01] <blackflow> linex: also please don't crosspost the same question in multiple channels at the same time.
[11:02] <wreo> should be fine. i have my whole system on my ssd except /home, which i have on a hdd because it has much more space
[11:25] <eduardo_> hola. tengo un problema con la hiberncaión en mint 18.3 . alguien puede orientarme?
[11:27] <tomreyn> !mint | eduardo_
[11:31] <eduardo_> Thanks! I will test with that  channel ;-) bye bye
[11:51] <JimBuntu> Allie & linex, http://www.storagesearch.com/ssdmyths-endurance.html    tl;dr, not so much of an issue today for most users, depends on use case though for enterprise.
[11:52] <raidghost> A Powerfailure yesterday seems to have killed the response to the network cards. What can i do to maybe get it working again?
[11:53] <blackflow> raidghost: replace them?
[11:53] <blackflow> assuming of course nothing else has changed, no update, no config change.
[11:54] <blackflow> raidghost: what kind of error messages you get?
[11:55] <raidghost> blackflow: Destination host unreachable
[11:56] <raidghost> ive tried with a usb2 network doongle, That seems to work, so i thought maybe https://www.unixblogger.com/2016/08/11/how-to-get-your-realtek-rtl8111rtl8168-working-updated-guide/ would fix it
[11:57] <blackflow> raidghost: why... the network was fine until reboot, right? and now you have routing issues. are the NICs reporting any errors otherwise?
[11:57] <blackflow> is it static or dhcp config? is the routing set up correctly?  (ip route show)
[11:58] <raidghost> blackflow: the network was fine until the little powerfailure in our place,
[11:59] <raidghost> the computers went on again when power was back. but the one with issues does not work with network after it went on
[11:59] <raidghost> blackflow: its static ip setup in the interfaces file
[12:01] <blackflow> raidghost: is routing set? is the cable connected (leds blinking)? maybe the upstream router is having issues? which IP responded with destination unreachable (which IP sent the ICMP packet, is it router perhaps)?
[12:02] <raidghost> blackflow: leds blinking
[12:02] <raidghost> the upstream router does not have issues
[12:02] <blackflow> raidghost: otehrwise you don't have to compile anything special for rtl8111/8168. The r8169 driver covers it. There's firmware in linux-firmware package, but I don't think it's needed.
[12:02] <raidghost> routing is set yes.
[12:02] <blackflow> raidghost: can you ping the router/nexthop?
[12:02] <raidghost> It doesnt give me that option
[12:02] <blackflow> what doesn't give you that option?
[12:03] <raidghost> i cant ping the router
[12:03] <raidghost> due to the card is not working as it should
[12:03] <raidghost> when i ping i get 10.0.0.5 and thats it
[12:03] <raidghost> 10.0.0.2 is my router
[12:03] <blackflow> can you pastebin the output of   ping -c5 <router-ip-here> ?
[12:04] <raidghost> can i define ping to use other than the now working usb dongle?
[12:04] <blackflow> raidghost: maybe with -I
[12:06] <raidghost> blackflow: https://pastebin.com/fbmd08Rf
[12:07] <wamph> la
[12:07] <blackflow> raidghost: can you pastebin    ip addr show     and     ip route show    ?
[12:08] <blackflow> raidghost: add eth1 after 'show' if that's the interface and you have many of them
[12:10] <raidghost> the usb dongle just frozen
[12:10] <blackflow> raidghost: what do the logs say about it?
[12:11] <raidghost> ill need to take a walk to that room where its located then. and check
[12:11] <raidghost> Since it doesnt respond to ssh
[12:11] <blackflow> raidghost: which ubuntu is that btw?
[12:12] <raidghost> 16.04.4
[12:16] <raidghost> blackflow: https://pastebin.com/gR1Q6rCm
[12:20] <blackflow> raidghost: you have three NICs with the same IP?
[12:20] <blackflow> raidghost: and eth3 is the only one up
[12:20] <raidghost> blackflow: Ive tried the 3 nics with down one at the time
[12:20] <raidghost> so its only been 1 up at the time
[12:21] <raidghost> eth0 to 2 is integraded and the eth3 is the one i use now to comminicate with the box to get inet on it
[12:22] <raidghost> the usb dongle thingy
[12:23] <blackflow> raidghost: and what's your config, can you pastebin /etc/network/interfaces ?
[12:23] <blackflow> it's impossible to debug like this. you have to check the configuration state that's supposed to be normal. assigned IPs, routing, ...
[12:24] <blackflow> also, there doesn't seem to be any default route configured which doesn't look normal
[12:24] <blackflow> my guess is your network config changed but wasn't tested with a reboot
[12:24] <raidghost> https://pastebin.com/u3eguqR6
[12:25] <raidghost> been tested with a reboot before, but when the powerfailure in our street it seems like it didnt like it when it was turn on again
[12:26] <blackflow> raidghost: that can only happen in case of hardware failure, which I suggested first.    anyway, drop netmask, network and broadcast directives from that, you don't need it. just set   address 10.0.0.5/24    and the gateway. restart the interface with ifdown and ifup
[12:27] <blackflow> raidghost: and I'm not sure what's going on with eth0, being set for static but no config. I don't know if that messes up things, so drop that too if you won't be using eth0
[12:27] <ktrl> hi can i migrate desktop appierence from 64 to 32 bit ubuntu?
[12:27] <ktrl> is there a .txt file?
[12:27] <raidghost> blackflow: ive been trying eth0 to eth2 (one at the time) to see if it responde to ping my server
[12:28] <raidghost> So the eth0 eth2 is not in use
[12:30] <blackflow> raidghost: do all three have network cables plugged in on both sides?
[12:30] <blackflow> or in other words, are you sure that ethX is always the same ethX? perhaps better use the "predictable", topology based naming
[12:36] <raidghost> blackflow: ive defined it
[12:36] <raidghost> so eth1 and eth0 and the others are allways eth
[12:37] <raidghost> but could be that there been some changes, lshw -c networ should give that info? or what?
[12:37] <blackflow> raidghost: you could check by MAC address if, say, eth1 is alwyas the same physical card after reboot.
[12:38] <blackflow> because the only alternative to HW failures I can think of, is that the ordering changed and, say, eth1 is no longer the same NIC it was before reboot.
[12:38] <raidghost> was a file i added some rules in
[12:38] <raidghost> not renember at the moment
[12:38] <raidghost> udev something
[12:39] <raidghost> maybe you would like to see that ? trying to renember where i added the mac adresse rules
[12:40] <blackflow> raidghost: those numbers wouldn't mean anything to me. it is YOU who have to be sure that if you're trying, say, eth1, it has cable plugged in and is the NIC oyu think it is.  Also, try that reconfiguration with only address (in CIDR notation) + gateway
[12:41] <raidghost> trying to figure out what udev file i was writting stuff in
[12:42] <blackflow> well how many are there under /etc/udev/rules.d/  ?
[12:45] <JoeLlama> moo :)  I need to image my filesystem (hard drive) what is the bestest and most free software please?
[12:45] <raidghost> will check and give you info when checked it. My girlfriend came with food. So its food first;)
[12:45] <JoeLlama> I prefer an image that I can access
[12:46] <JoeLlama> I mean an image I can get my files out of
[12:46] <JoeLlama> a backup image
[12:46] <JoeLlama> hi A_D
[12:47] <JoeLlama> free/cheap image/backup software? (:
[12:47] <JoeLlama> anyone?
[12:47] <JoeLlama> I am using paidfor stuff atm and it's so proprietary :/
[12:48] <JoeLlama> any open source stuff?  Image/backup?
[12:48]  * JoeLlama wanders off and waits
[12:50] <SporkWitch> !enter | JoeLlama
[12:50] <SporkWitch> To your query, google is your friend.  The go-tos are dd and rsync
[12:51] <proboscis> LOAD -e /home/oppa/TEST/ROOTME/put
[12:52] <JoeLlama> so I guess what you guys are saying is just to use dd?
[12:53] <SporkWitch> we're saying to use google, but that dd and rsync are go-tos
[12:53] <sylvain_> Hello, why the ubuntu package version of openCV is the 3.2 while the real latest version of openCV is the 3.4.1 ?
[12:55] <blackflow> JoeLlama: if you don't use snapshot capable filesystems like btrfs or zfs (and forget about LVM snapshots), one thing that worked for me in the past is rsnapshot -- rsync based, hard link based, "snapshots".
[12:55] <blackflow> !info rsnapshot
[12:55] <JoeLlama> oOo neat thanks blackflow I will research
[12:56] <RonWhoCares> My Ubuntu 18.04 isn't restoring from being inactive (when the screen goes black).  I am having to turn off the computer power and then restart it.  Is there any idea how to fix this?
[13:08] <tomreyn> RonWhoCares: you will probably need to discuss the graphics hardware and drivers you are using. also discuss whether this happens every time, only after the system has (possibly previously, but after the latest full reboot) been suspended.
[13:08] <tomreyn> I got similar issues occasionally with amdgpu on 16.04, but it's probably an entirely different root cause.
[13:19] <brodie> Hello everyone.
[13:21] <brodie> Is there a way to change the notations back to how they originally were? I googled this but couldn't find a solution.
[13:27] <skinux> How come all Ubuntu tutorials talk about using Application menu, but there hasn't been an applications menu in several years?
[13:30] <adrian_1908> Does the Ubuntu image (e.g. 18.04) offered on the website get updates regularly, or is it stuck in the state of first release (April)?
[13:30] <SporkWitch> adrian_1908: they might have updated it to 18.04.1, but the ISOs are not maintained in real-time; doesn't make sense to do so since you can pull updates as part of the install process
[13:31] <adrian_1908> Ok, thanks.
[13:31] <sa___> when i run "apt-cache policy alsa-utils", it shows "500 http://mirrors.geodns.root.pri/ubuntu xenial/main amd64 Packages", what does "500 http://mirrors.geodns.root.pri/ubuntu xenial/main amd64 Packages" means?
[13:32] <genii> 500 is internal server error code
[13:32] <sa___> genii: http://mirrors.geodns.root.pri/ubuntu what is this?
[13:33] <ducasse> no, the 500 there represents the apt priority of that repo's version
[13:33] <ducasse> aiui
[13:34] <ducasse> sa___: that is the repo the package will be pulled from
[13:35] <sa___> ducasse: thanks , who manages that repo?
[13:36] <genii> Not Canonical
[13:38] <sa___> genii: For Canonical, what will be the repo?
[13:39] <ducasse> sa___: there is a list of mirrors on launchpad, you can look there for the official ones
[13:39] <genii> sa___: The offical ones, usually the convention is country-code, then archive.ubuntu.com  ..so for me in Canada, ca.archive.ubuntu.com
[13:40] <genii> Your country code may vary.
[13:51] <wicope> Hi, how can I know which process has modified a file?
[13:51] <raidghost> blackflow: after reming the udev rule, What do i need todo ?
[13:54] <pakcjo> hello
[13:55] <pakcjo> Is there a problem with archieve.ubuntu.com trusty updates? I'm getting hash sum mismatch since yesterday
[13:56]  * SporkWitch blames russia
[13:56] <SporkWitch> joking aside, i don't have any trusty installs handy to test; could check bionic, heh
[13:57] <SporkWitch> yeah, looks like WSL on this system is xenial
[13:57] <pakcjo> :(
[13:57] <JimBuntu> wicope, do you have the audit tools installed?
[13:57] <leftyfb> pakcjo: works fine here
[13:57] <SporkWitch> 146 upgrades, 4 new install (haven't updated WSL on this thing in months), no issues, xenial
[13:58] <wicope> JimBuntu, hi, how i can install the audit tools?
[13:58] <SporkWitch> !apt | wicope
[13:58] <pakcjo> leftyfb: which repository?
[13:58] <JimBuntu> wicope, Well, if you don't have auditd already installed, then it's too late for this round. See if you have auditctl as an available command.
[13:59] <leftyfb> pakcjo: us.archive.ubuntu.com
[14:01] <pakcjo> leftyfb: W: Failed to fetch http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/trusty-updates/main/binary-amd64/Packages  Hash Sum mismatch
[14:01] <leftyfb> pakcjo: check your date/time? Are you behind a proxy? DNS redirect issue?
[14:02] <pakcjo> leftyfb: hmm no, I'm using ntpd, my date/time and timezone seems to be ok, no proxy
[14:02] <pakcjo> I also did an apt-get clean, same issue
[14:03] <SporkWitch> pakcjo: any remote servers you can bounce off?
[14:03] <pakcjo> SporkWitch: what do you mean?
[14:04] <pakcjo> SporkWitch: like a vpn?
[14:04] <SporkWitch> exactly what i said; anything you can bounce off of to force a different path to the server
[14:04] <SporkWitch> or a proxy
[14:06] <raidghost> And all the people are Enjoy. Problem half fixed:p
[14:07] <brenster21> hey so i got a fairly basic question
[14:07] <SporkWitch> !ask | brenster21
[14:08] <brenster21> nice to see you again sporkwitch
[14:09] <brenster21> How can I set ubuntu to automount my external drive to a directory in my home folder while setting the permissions to my user
[14:09] <SporkWitch> brenster21: https://lmgtfy.com/?s=d&q=automount+ntfs+rw
[14:09] <leftyfb> brenster21: https://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/mount-drive-from-command-line-ubuntu-linux/
[14:10] <leftyfb> brenster21: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallingANewHardDrive#Automatic_Mount_At_Boot
[14:10] <brenster21>  thank you leftyfb
[14:10] <brenster21> I am trying to remount my drive to the directory, but i am getting busy error
[14:12] <leftyfb> pakcjo: try changing the DNS on your local machine. Edit /etc/resolv.conf and set "nameserver 1.1.1.1"
[14:12] <skinux> Can Ubuntu desktop environment be uninstalled without uninstalling Ubuntu Studio DE?
[14:12] <dadabidet> where are dev libraries installed?
[14:13] <leftyfb> skinux: what "Ubuntu DE"? Do you mean Unity? Or Gnome (18.04)
[14:13] <leftyfb> dadabidet: which dev libraries? Why do you ask? What are you trying to accomplish?
[14:13] <dadabidet> I installed libbullet
[14:13] <leftyfb> dadabidet: why?
[14:13] <dadabidet> to do development
[14:14] <dadabidet> just trying to figure out the name of the library file to compile things
[14:14] <dadabidet> so I need to find them
[14:15] <leftyfb> dadabidet: that's not really how libraries work. The names of the files don't necessarily reflect how you call them in development
[14:15] <linocisco> hi all
[14:15] <pakcjo> leftyfb: same
[14:15] <Guest88948> why do we create swap partition using fdisk or why do we create file using swap
[14:16] <leftyfb> pakcjo: please post the error message to pastebin
[14:16] <linocisco> in some wifi hotspot, we have to type in user name and password to authenticate. I would like to know how to find those user name and password typed in browser. Mostly by chrome
[14:16] <dadabidet> leftyfb, then tell me what to do when linking against bulletphysics for ubuntu 16, when compiling g++ main.cc -llibbullet
[14:16] <compdoc> Guest88948, the installer used to create a swap partition, but now it creates a file
[14:16] <curlyears> heigh hough
[14:16] <leftyfb> linocisco: The chrome documentation/google.com should tell you how to find saved passwords
[14:17] <Guest88948> compdoc: what installer?
[14:17] <linocisco> leftyfb, saved password is for psk. but for username and password, I can't find
[14:17] <dadabidet> libbullet-dev
[14:17] <leftyfb> linocisco: Again, read the chrome documentation
[14:17] <compdoc> Guest88948, the ubuntu installer
[14:18] <leftyfb> dadabidet: sudo dpkg -S libbullet-dev
[14:18] <skinux> Okay. I think I have a big problem. Trying to use aptitude to reinstall ubuntu-desktop, it says it cannot find sources for 1.361.1
[14:18] <Guest88948> compdoc: we can also do an fdisk also to create swap partition
[14:18] <leftyfb> skinux: please post the error messages to pastebin
[14:18] <Guest88948> but why do use swap
[14:18] <compdoc> Guest88948, why would you do it manually?
[14:18] <leftyfb> Guest88948: why are you asking?
[14:19] <Ool> :)
[14:19] <Guest88948> i have no idea why swap is used
[14:19] <blackflow> linocisco: https://www.google.com/search?q=chrome+view+stored+passwords
[14:19] <Guest88948> i want to know the reason compdoc leftyfb
[14:19] <compdoc> Guest88948, the reason for a swap?
[14:19] <leftyfb> Guest88948: https://www.linux.com/news/all-about-linux-swap-space
[14:19] <skinux> https://pastebin.com/VnfUctrm
[14:20] <blackflow> Guest88948: to page out, to disk, parts of memory that are not actively used. also read the links posted by leftyfb
[14:20] <dadabidet> leftyfb, I don't want to call them in development, I want to link against them, so in this case, when using C/C++ it's a mix of filename, without lib, ith -l
[14:20] <leftyfb> skinux: please paste everything. The commands you are running and the full errors
[14:20] <tcpdump> hey everyone
[14:20] <leftyfb> dadabidet: sudo dpkg -S libbullet-dev
[14:20] <curlyears> leftyfb and nacc:  I have done all the testing of rhe drives, you advised, and received zero error reports.   WhI have done a fresh install w18.4, I end up with a system that won't boot.  It tells me": replace media with proper boot device, and try again.  Since I have Just finished a raw install, my root drice certainly OUGHT to be readable.  Aside from which, if I put my DVD back in the drawer, it gives the same error message, whic
[14:20] <curlyears> off the disc abnd run the install.
[14:21] <skinux> https://pastebin.com/Fd3yyucW
[14:21] <pakcjo> W: Failed to fetch http://eu.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/trusty-updates/main/binary-amd64/Packages  Hash Sum mismatch :(
[14:21] <leftyfb> skinux: why are you using aptitude?
[14:21] <tcpdump> in Ubuntu I see the ping command has a -T arg for timestamp, but when I do a -T without params it says "Invalid timestamp type". I cant find any reference to the -T cli arg.
[14:21] <tcpdump> Anyone know what is wanting?
[14:21] <tcpdump> *it's
[14:21] <curlyears> and I am running a Live Session off that DVD at the moment, as well.    **** H E L P ****    (please?)
[14:21] <dadabidet> leftyfb, wrong, those are not helpful, I can't link against C libraries using that, I need https://packages.ubuntu.com/trusty/amd64/libbullet-dev/filelist instead, specifically .so filenames
[14:21] <blackflow> tcpdump: looked at `man ping` ?
[14:21] <leftyfb> pakcjo: sudo rm -rf /var/lib/lists/* && sudo apt-get update
[14:22] <linocisco> leftyfb, blackflow I didn't turn on offer to save password or auto-save feature. so I can't find any passwords I entered
[14:22] <leftyfb> dadabidet: dpkg -S will list all files installed as part of the libbullet-dev package
[14:22] <leftyfb> linocisco: then they are not saved anywhere
[14:22] <blackflow> linocisco: then you'll have to ask your network administrator for those
[14:23] <dadabidet> leftyfb, I got only 3 files, and no .so files
[14:23] <linocisco> leftyfb, I wish ubuntu have saved somewhere and hope that
[14:23] <pakcjo> leftyfb: I don't even have that directory...
[14:23] <leftyfb> linocisco: it doesn't
[14:23] <pakcjo> leftyfb: you mean /var/lib/apt/lists/ ?
[14:23] <leftyfb> pakcjo: ugh, sorry, my bad
[14:23] <leftyfb> pakcjo: yeah, whew. That could have been very bad
[14:24] <curlyears> leftyfb?
[14:24] <pakcjo> leftyfb: no problem, running update now
[14:24] <skinux> It cannot be good that it cannot find sources to reinstall with
[14:24] <tcpdump> blackflow: hmmm maybe -T doesnt do what I thought it would do.  It produces this:  64 bytes from dfw25s08-in-f14.1e100.net (216.58.218.142): icmp_seq=1 ttl=52 time=15.6 ms
[14:24] <leftyfb> skinux: why are you using aptitude?
[14:24] <JimBuntu> tcpdump, please see `man ping` I think it's fairly well described.
[14:25] <skinux> Because aptitude is package manager
[14:25] <leftyfb> skinux: a pretty outdated one which has been known to cause problems
[14:25] <tcpdump> JimBuntu: i did. is it creating the "time=" value on a ping, and not a timestamp, per se?
[14:25] <leftyfb> skinux: you should use apt
[14:25] <leftyfb> skinux: sudo apt install --reinstall ubuntu-desktop # though this isn't going to do what you think
[14:25] <dadabidet> be easy on him :p I guess he works at canonical...
[14:25] <skinux> Oh, I guess I maent apt, I thought they were the same
[14:26] <leftyfb> dadabidet: who are you referring to?
[14:26] <dadabidet> you I guess
[14:26] <blackflow> tcpdump: dunno, did you want -D instead?
[14:27] <leftyfb> dadabidet: I no longer work for Canonical. I also don't see what that has to do with anything here.
[14:27] <dadabidet> you seem to not fail under all the people asking you question :p
[14:27] <leftyfb> dadabidet: Again, nothing to do with where I do or don't work
[14:28] <leftyfb> pakcjo: everything work now?
[14:28] <dadabidet> great work anyhow :))
[14:28] <pakcjo> leftyfb: still downloading, but I'd let you know
[14:29] <leftyfb> pakcjo: wouldn't the update have failed by now
[14:29] <pakcjo> leftyfb: hmmm not sure, it download everything first and then check checksums right? (it's still downloading)
[14:30] <pakcjo> same error
[14:30] <skinux> Hmm. Well, remove ubuntu-desktop, couldn't get it to reinstall, but turns out I have over 1,000 upgrades
[14:31] <leftyfb> dadabidet: https://packages.ubuntu.com/bionic/amd64/libbullet-dev/filelist
[14:31] <leftyfb> skinux: ubuntu-desktop is only a meta package
[14:31] <dadabidet> yes thanks
[14:32] <skinux> What is the real package?
[14:32] <leftyfb> skinux: what version of ubuntu?
[14:32] <pakcjo> leftyfb: not sure if this may affect it, but I'm removing the universe and multiverse repos
[14:33] <leftyfb> pakcjo: shouldn't
[14:33] <zetheroo> What's the difference between using Ubuntu with or without Wayland - I see there is now a login option for this.
[14:33] <leftyfb> pakcjo: try ubuntu.media.mit.edu as your repo
[14:33] <pakcjo> leftyfb: moment
[14:35] <ericus> how would I go on checking the filesystem on this encrypted disk for errors? https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/Vq4MFXg346/
[14:36] <ericus> I cannot mount it, it says it needs structure cleaning
[14:36] <leftyfb> ericus: sudo fsck -y -f /dev/mapper/disk1
[14:36] <EriC^^> isn't that the disk, not a partition?
[14:37] <ericus> thanks leftyfb I'll try that!
[14:37] <leftyfb> ericus: you don't encrypt disks. You encrypt partitions/volumes
[14:37] <leftyfb> EriC^^: :)
[14:37] <ericus> yeah I know
[14:37] <pakcjo>  leftyfb same: W: Failed to fetch http://ubuntu.media.mit.edu/ubuntu/dists/trusty-updates/main/binary-amd64/Packages  Hash Sum mismatch
[14:38] <ericus> TONS of "Error reading block"
[14:38] <ericus> "Force rewrite? yes"
[14:38] <leftyfb> ericus: that's attempting to fix it
[14:39] <ericus> I suspect this old disk might be giving up, physically
[14:39] <leftyfb> ericus: if you've got that many errors, it's more than likely a gone HDD. Salvage what you can and migrate to a new drive
[14:39] <oerheks> skinux, the metapackage *is* the real package, if you want to see what is in it, see launchpad?
[14:40] <leftyfb> pakcjo: before going much further making changes to your system I would really look into investigating your connection possibly messing with/corrupting traffic
[14:40] <ericus> and a ton of these: "Error writing block 214990848 (Input/output error).  Ignore error? yes"
[14:40] <leftyfb> ericus: again. Bad drive, salvage what you can once it's done and get a new drive
[14:40] <ericus> yeah I will
[14:40] <ericus> I have a backup ofc
[14:41] <pakcjo> leftyfb: I have a virtual machine with trusty on it, let me test there
[14:41] <leftyfb> pakcjo: it's going to be the same internet connection
[14:41] <pakcjo> leftyfb: I don't see how the connection could be an issue, everything work fine and if I comment the trusty-updates from the source list it works fine
[14:42] <oerheks> hash sum mismatch.. that mirror might be in update now, try again in a few minutes
[14:42] <leftyfb> oerheks: I tested it, working fine for m
[14:42] <leftyfb> me*
[14:42] <pakcjo> oerheks: it's been like that since yesterday
[14:43] <pakcjo> I'd try to set up a vpn and test there
[14:43] <oerheks> 18-6 .. https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+mirror/mirrors.mit.edu-release
[14:43] <oerheks> 2 days old
[14:44] <leftyfb> oerheks: he was using us.archive first
[14:44] <leftyfb> pakcjo: ah: sudo apt-get clean
[14:44] <oerheks> clean the lists and update again?
[14:44] <leftyfb> pakcjo: then try
[14:44] <leftyfb> oerheks: yup, did that
[14:44] <pakcjo> same issue inside the virtual machine (with us.archive.com)
[14:44] <pakcjo> leftyfb: done that already
[14:44] <leftyfb> pakcjo: see, something is messing with your downloads
[14:44] <oerheks> proxy?
[14:45] <pakcjo> leftyfb: ? why do you think that?
[14:45] <leftyfb> pakcjo: is this a home connection? University? Corporate?
[14:45] <pakcjo> oerheks: no, not using a proxy
[14:45] <curlyears> leftyfb?
[14:47] <leftyfb> curlyears: there's 1700+ other people here
[14:47] <oerheks> sudo rm -rf /var/lib/apt/lists && sudo apt update && sudo apt dist-upgrade
[14:48] <pakcjo> oerheks: done that, like 5 times
[14:49] <oerheks> time to give the full output of your update / upgrade command in a pastebin, please
[14:49] <JimBuntu> curlyears, please check your BIOS settings, make sure the boot order is correct.
[14:50] <ericus> would you consider this disk FUBAR after a fsck leftyfb? http://i.imgur.com/rjzyKKW.png
[14:50] <pakcjo> hmmm funny, I can't connect to any vpn... Maybe my connection is no that clean as I thought
[14:55] <leftyfb> ericus: as I told you already, yes
[14:55] <curlyears> JimBuntu: I have dine sk, numerous times.   *shudder*
[14:55] <leftyfb> pakcjo: ;)
[14:57] <ericus> alright leftyfb, then I cannot recover anything. But I think I have almost everything backed up, maybe not stuff from recent months
[14:57] <curlyears> JimBuntu:   eeven if I set rhings up so the install DVD is the *ONLY* device listed in the boot sequnce, it compalins that it wants a ootale device. (yes, I have booted, from this DVD, using this BlueRay drive, before successfull)
[14:57] <ericus> I need to start a cronjob with rsync...
[14:57] <curlyears> s/ootble/bootable/
[14:58] <curlyears> I have done so....must be morre careful qwith my typing
[14:58] <leftyfb> ericus: https://github.com/leftyfb/backup_script
[14:58] <SporkWitch> if the disk worked previously with that drive, that means: 1) scratches, 2) hardware failure, 3) configuration issue.  Those are the possibilities.
[14:59] <JimBuntu> curlyears, Then... double check that you don't have a non-bootable USB drive plugged in. This probably isn't an #ubuntu support question as the error you mention is from your BIOS.
[14:59] <curlyears> SporkWitch: almost obviously some form aof configuration error.  But I casnnot for the life of me figure out what it is
[15:00] <oerheks> don't drink & irc ..
[15:00] <curlyears> JimBuntu: Ah, a BIOS issue, eh?  Can anyone advise me of a decent channel in whicxh to request assistance on a BIOS issue
[15:00] <leftyfb> SporkWitch: did you disable Secure Boot / UEFI in your BIOS settings?
[15:01] <SporkWitch> curlyears: ^
[15:01] <SporkWitch> though that should produce a distinct error, not comlain about non-bootable
[15:01] <ericus> thanks leftyfb I'll bookmark that!
[15:02] <pakcjo> leftyfb: trying with a vpn now...
[15:03] <curlyears> JimBuntu:   I have precisely 3 USB devices plugged in.  My KB, my wireless mouse transceiver, and a USB-linked multi-card reader (which is not in service at this time...nothing plugged into it)
[15:05] <pakcjo> leftyfb: ok, it went ok over the vpn... So this confirms that the problem is my connection/firewall or whatever
[15:05] <leftyfb> curlyears: follow my suggestion, unplug the multi-card reader and reinstall
[15:05] <leftyfb> pakcjo: :)
[15:05] <JimBuntu> curlyears, disconnect the multi-card reader please. Either way, sounds 100% like a BIOS issue since your drive(s) have passed all tests and since it's also effecting your ability to boot from CD/DVD
[15:06] <curlyears> SporkWitch:    Yeah, I deselected secured boot in the BIO
[15:06] <pakcjo> thanks a lot leftyfb
[15:06] <leftyfb> curlyears: follow my suggestion, unplug the multi-card reader and reinstall
[15:07] <curlyears> JimBuntu: it is an internal plugin.  But on the other hand, it has been booting fine with the multi-care reader installoed for over 6 months
[15:07] <curlyears> s/care/card
[15:08] <curlyears> \/
[15:08] <JimBuntu> curlyears, or don't, your choice to apply suggestions or not.
[15:09] <jmgb4> curlyears, I assume your bios is up to date?
[15:09] <leftyfb> curlyears: Are you ignoring me?
[15:16] <jmgb4> I think so lol
[15:20] <curlyears> AnnaRooks: `1`11111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111leftyfb:  no...I am just busy trying to unplug the USB multi-card reader.  It is internal, and mounted in a position that is virtually inaccessible, and I am hav9ng difficulty even locating and tracing the cables from it to the internal USB hearder on the MB
[15:21] <curlyears> whoops.   I have no idea where all that came from
[15:21] <leftyfb> curlyears: also, scroll up and do my other suggestion
[15:25] <curlyears> GREAT Ghu!  I am NOT ignoring anyone.   I am being very busy trying the various suggestions being made.  I can't bth try them, and be at my kb yakking at the same time.  OK?   :)
[15:27] <leftyfb> curlyears: "brb, going to try the suggestions"   <~~~~
[15:28] <curlyears> I am going to attempt rebooting, again.  If it doesnm't work, I'll be gone for about 15 minutes, since it takes almost that amount of time to boot into a Live Boot session
[15:29] <leftyfb> curlyears: did you check my suggestions?
[15:29] <leftyfb> first
[15:29] <leftyfb> curlyears: BEFORE trying to reinstall
[15:29] <epl692_> I'm having problems with ubuntu server 18.04, it installs fine, but then does not boot after a reboot, it's almost as if grub never gets installed
[15:30] <Jonta> !ubuntu-server
[15:30] <epl692_> okay, I will ask there, thank you
[15:30] <compdoc> epl692_, is there more than one drive in the system? maybe grub got installed to the wrong drive
[15:30] <curlyears> leftyfb:  y0ou made numerous suggestions, along with severa; other people.  I am not sure  to which suggestion you are currently in reference.
[15:31] <RonnyZ> hi
[15:31] <RonnyZ> I am just setting up my computer from new
[15:31] <RonnyZ> in the past, I had the problem, that I deleted files by accident
[15:31] <curlyears> off to try rebooting again
[15:32] <RonnyZ> when I wanted to recover them, people told me: "if you had used filesystem .... instead of ... you could have easily recovered the files"
[15:32] <RonnyZ> as I am now setting up my computer from new, I wanted to know:
[15:32] <epl692_> compdoc: theres only one drive on the system
[15:32] <RonnyZ> Which file system should I choose?
[15:32] <RonnyZ> In order to make sure I can easily recover files if I accidentially delete them
[15:33] <Jonta> !enter | RonnyZ
[15:34] <leftyfb> curlyears: check your BIOS and make sure "secure boot" "fast boot" and "UEFI" are disabled
[15:34] <RonnyZ> sure, Jonta, I will keep that in mind!  Sorry for the inconvenience my enters may have caused!
[15:34] <Jonta> RonnyZ: How did you accidentally delete your files?
[15:34] <Jonta> btrfs comes to mind
[15:34] <Jonta> ext4 is still the default
[15:34] <RonnyZ> Jonta, rm -rf directory
[15:35] <leftyfb> RonnyZ: do not concern yourself with a filesystem that will be easy to recover files you delete accidentally. Don't delete files accidentally and have regular backups
[15:35] <RonnyZ> leftyfb, I did not think this would happen to me, actually.
[15:35] <oerheks> !info ext3undelete
[15:35] <oerheks> oh..
[15:36] <leftyfb> RonnyZ: then just use the default ext4
[15:36] <RonnyZ> oerheks, I solved the issue back then using a program meant to recover pictures and it worked.  However, this time I want to be safe
[15:37] <RonnyZ> leftyfb, okay, I will use ext4 then
[15:37] <Jonta> RonnyZ: How did you delete the files?
[15:38] <RonnyZ> Jonta, rm -rf directory
[15:38] <Jonta> Ah. And turned out to be the wrong one?
[15:38] <RonnyZ> yep, I wanted to use gcp -rf
[15:38] <Jonta> Maybe consider aliasing rm -rf to something that asks for confirmation if you're likely to do it again
[15:39] <Jonta> And get a backup+restore-process going
[15:39] <RonnyZ> good idea!  I will add an Alias
[15:40] <RonnyZ> now, _besides_ of filesystems and file recovery:   is there anything else I should consider when installing the operating system from new?  Is there anything that can only be done when installing that is important to do which cannot be done later?
[15:40] <JanC> RonnyZ: (almost) no filesystem guarantees that you can recover deleted files
[15:40] <Jonta> Full disk encryption
[15:40] <RonnyZ> Jonta, should I really do this?!
[15:40] <Jonta> It *can* be done later, but is more of a hassle
[15:41] <Jonta> Maybe it'll motivate you to get backups going :p
[15:41] <RonnyZ> Jonta, but then my data cannot be restored in the case of a hard drive damage, right?
[15:41] <Jonta> More difficult, at any rate
[15:41] <JanC> usually how many files you can recover depends on how much was written to the disk after you deleted them
[15:41] <Jonta> Seems you worry more about drive failure than it being stolen, in which case: don't encrypt
[15:42] <oerheks> if you don't have a backup, your data is not important these days
[15:42] <RonnyZ> if the computer got stolen:  Would encryption really help a _lot_ or just a little?
[15:42] <Jonta> A lot
[15:42] <RonnyZ> what about laws?  I think I cannot travel to the U.S. then?
[15:42] <Jonta> If you do it properly: They're not getting it
[15:42] <Jonta> That is not true
[15:42] <Jonta> You may be thinking of PGP exports back in the day
[15:42] <RonnyZ> importing of encrypted software is illegal in many countries, afaik?
[15:43] <Jonta> Well
[15:43] <Jonta> What countries are you going to travel to?
[15:43] <JanC> the immigration officers might ask you to unlock the computer
[15:43] <oerheks> that is not an ubuntu technical support issue, i think it is legal.
[15:43] <RonnyZ> EU-members (European Union),  United States of America,  Canada, Asian countries
[15:43] <JanC> same as with your mobile phone
[15:43] <Jonta> The UK has some squirly laws regarding that
[15:44] <JanC> (talking about the USA)
[15:44] <RonnyZ> okay, so if you think encryption is good, I will do it
[15:44] <RonnyZ> thank you Jonta
[15:44] <oerheks> rm -rf with encryption, and your data surely cannot be retrieved :-D
[15:44] <JanC> and AFAIK they can't arrest you if you don't unlock, but they can send you back  :)
[15:45] <oerheks> gone = gone
[15:45] <JanC> oerheks: actually that's not true
[15:45]  * Jonta gets the liquid Nitrogen
[15:45] <RonnyZ> rm -rf + microwave?
[15:45] <oerheks> JanC, oh, can one undelete in LUKS ?
[15:45] <Jonta> RonnyZ: dd
[15:46] <JanC> the filesystem on an encrypted partition only sees the decrypted data
[15:46] <JanC> if you need something like photorec, you would have to run it on the decrypted block device, of course
[15:47] <RonnyZ> is an encrypted harddrive much slower?  My computer is old
[15:47] <JanC> define "old"
[15:47] <JanC> 20 years?
[15:47] <RonnyZ> 8+ years old?
[15:47] <RonnyZ> 900 MhZ
[15:48] <JanC> 900 MHz seems low for an 8yo computer?
[15:48] <oerheks> pentium m?
[15:48] <RonnyZ> hold on, I run an cpuinfo
[15:49] <RonnyZ> where was that again?
[15:49] <RonnyZ> not in /etc/proc/cpuinfo  obvy
[15:49] <JanC> /proc/cpuinfo
[15:49] <oerheks> lscpu
[15:49] <RonnyZ> vendor_id       : AuthenticAMD
[15:49] <RonnyZ> vendor_id       : AuthenticAMD
[15:49] <RonnyZ> sorry
[15:50] <RonnyZ> cpu MHz         : 900.000
[15:50] <JanC> that's the current frequency, you want to know how fast it can go (not how slow it can go)
[15:51] <RonnyZ> JanC, how would I find that out?
[15:51] <JanC> isn't it somewhere in there?
[15:51] <RonnyZ> no
[15:51] <Jonta> What's the full CPU name?
[15:51] <RonnyZ> model name      : AMD E1-2100 APU with Radeon(TM) HD Graphics
[15:51] <JanC> what does "Model name" say?
[15:52] <JanC> okay :)
[15:52] <RonnyZ> is 2100 the speed?
[15:52] <Jonta> No
[15:52] <Jonta> Clockspeed: 1GHz
[15:52] <Jonta> https://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=AMD+E1-2100+APU&id=1968
[15:52] <RonnyZ> yeah, 100 MHZ faster than 900
[15:52] <JanC> yeah
[15:53] <JanC> so slow...
[15:53] <RonnyZ> well then - I will setup my pc now
[15:53] <RonnyZ> just checking the md5sum of the iso image, then ready to go
[15:54] <JanC> anyway, it supports hardware AES, so encryption would likely not be too slow
[15:54] <RonnyZ> one last question before I start:
[15:54] <RonnyZ> JanC, thank you JanC, then I will use encryption!
[15:54] <mirya> Hello does anyone knows about iscsi multipathing ; I dont have rhel support but just their images https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/PDZvXgFrhJ/plain/
[15:55] <Jonta> mirya: So CentOS? If so: They probably have their own channel
[15:55] <RonnyZ> I did some research and found out that "apt list --installed" can list me all installed programs.  My question is, if it made sense, to run this command immediately after the setup has finished in order to save that file for later reference,  so that I can run the same command in the future and "diff" the files so I can know which programs I manually installed?
[15:55] <RonnyZ> or is there a better way?
[15:56] <Jonta> Sounds good enough
[15:56] <RonnyZ> thank you Jonta
[15:56] <RonnyZ> thank you also JanC and oerheks and leftyfb !
[15:56] <Jonta> Maybe use sort first
[15:56] <RonnyZ> Jonta, | sort ?
[15:56] <Jonta> Yep
[15:57] <RonnyZ> thank you
[15:57] <mirya> jonta theres no one replying there for the past 2 days :(
[15:57] <RonnyZ> mirya, time to change the distro? ;)
[15:57] <oerheks> mirya, try #fedora or the like ??
[15:58] <Jonta> Maybe they prefer different communication channels
[15:58] <mirya> ronnyZ hahaha cant :(
[15:58] <mirya> oerheks have posted in fedora too
[15:59] <oerheks> anyway, this is the wrong channel mirya .. else you could try ##linux
[16:01] <mirya> Thanks oerheks will try my luck there!
[16:02] <RonnyZ> bye for now! thank you!
[16:25] <kubast2> http://bug.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub-installer/+bug/1777903 this looks like a quality bug report
[16:30] <klr> kubast2: ha
[16:31] <kubast2> The thing is I have this problem
[16:31] <kubast2> Made it humorous so it hopefully spreads essier
[16:31] <leftyfb> kubast2: you reported that?
[16:32] <kubast2> Didn't bothered making a report since the grub install worked fine in bios mode on my desktop klr
[16:32] <kubast2> Yup
[16:32] <kubast2> Until know
[16:32] <leftyfb> kubast2: please remove it since it's 50 shades of invalid
[16:32] <nacc> i'm rejecting the bug
[16:32] <oerheks> some machines need to have set the ADMIN password to do so, i could not open that bugreport
[16:32] <nacc> it's a bad URL
[16:32] <nacc> should be bugs.launchpad.net
[16:32] <oerheks> good
[16:33] <nacc> LP: #1777903
[16:33] <SporkWitch> CNR Kubuntu 18.04.0 AMD64
[16:34] <kubast2> leftyfb Somehow happens to me every time
[16:35] <kubast2> I can only install opensuse and boot from their iso or I can install arch and have a broken nvidia driver/sddm
[16:35] <christian_> hello delu
[16:35] <kubast2> nacc I guess I was typing it  into my phone from a pc so
[16:36] <christian_> you need a password to install arch linux
[16:37] <kubast2> Yeah whathevs
[16:37] <kubast2> Gotta reinstall again this time with space for /boot partition
[16:37] <SporkWitch> lol
[16:38] <kubast2> And copy it over then nuke ubuntu install iso into arch
[16:38] <uNiXFu-> yo any pros at 'netplan' config file, trying to see if it's needed to setup bridges for my vm's where i got a /28 block of 16 usable ips  so i want 1ip per vm
[16:38] <kubast2> and create uefi shell entry for ubuntu kernel
[16:39] <kubast2> Next time I''m gonna live stream thiz or put it to yt
[16:39] <uNiXFu-> i config it in virtualbox to use static ip for one vm, but the problem is that it makes me port forward within vbox netconfig for the port to be open
[16:39] <SporkWitch> uNiXFu-: #virtualbox
[16:39] <oerheks> kubast2, good trolling, goodbye
[16:39] <SporkWitch> oerheks: you have low standards
[16:40] <kubast2> Lool I'm gonna put a video on youtube wshowcasing it doesn't work
[16:40] <uNiXFu-> SporkWitch, smack my bitch up!
[16:40] <Jonta> So many proud grandmothers around
[16:54] <RonnyZ> re
[16:55] <RonnyZ> are there any non-graphical ways to install Ubuntu?  (similar to debian-installers?)
[16:55] <RonnyZ> I tried to install Ubuntu 18.04 from a Live CD but headed into problems.
[16:56] <kubast2> oerheks all joke aside gonna upload a video with my 3mbps upload speed
[16:56] <RonnyZ> Everything seemed to work out perfectly, until the X server started.  I could see my mouse pointer and I could move the mouse pointer.  But,  I could _not_ see the desktop and the install-icon as I could only see colored stripes rather than the background (desktop)
[16:57] <refracta_noob> RonnyZ: https://www.ubuntu.com/download/alternative-downloads
[16:57] <RonnyZ> thank you refracta_noob
[16:57] <refracta_noob> np
[16:57] <refracta_noob> Network installer is probably what you want
[16:57] <RonnyZ> a network installation is not really what I had in mind...
[16:58] <RonnyZ> I hoped for an equally large installation media (e.g. 1.7 GB like the live cd) but with a debian-like installer (non-graphical)
[16:58] <kubast2> Ok the solution like boot uefi shell from arch iso and create a boot entry from there oerheks
[16:58] <kubast2> So ik the solution ,but I think it should install without it
[17:00] <kubast2> I did use efi reserved partition on the video it's as 2nd partition ,but I also tried when it was first
[17:00] <kubast2> This time grub installed but no bottable device
[17:04] <RonnyZ> refracta_noob, okay, I feel like that's the only choice I have.  Let's say I use the network installer.  How would I get X to run?
[17:04] <RonnyZ> refracta_noob, I guess it's not XFree86 or Xorg any more?
[17:06] <hackinghorn> is Unity gone forever?
[17:06] <pocketmon> LINUX: Rute User’s Tutorial and Exposition  <— this  book is for linux or unix?
[17:08] <lotuspsychje> hackinghorn: no, you can install unity from the repos
[17:08] <lotuspsychje> !ot | pocketmon
[17:08] <oerheks> pocketmon, is that a trivia q?
[17:09] <pocketmon> i want to learn linux
[17:10] <lotuspsychje> pocketmon: this is the ubuntu support channel
[17:10] <qwebirc96112> How to disable chrome didn't shut down correctly notification?
[17:10] <designbybeck> Just installed Cinniom on Ubuntu 18.04, and now the colors shifted. Like the Facebook Icon looks more purple than blue
[17:11] <qwebirc96112> I always get that when I have shut down ubuntu
[17:12] <RonnyZ> excuse me please,  where can I find the network installer's ISO image, please?
[17:12] <RonnyZ> I am currently here:
[17:12] <RonnyZ> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/bionic/main/installer-amd64/current/images/netboot/ubuntu-installer/amd64/
[17:14] <tomreyn> RonnyZ: https://www.ubuntu.com/download/alternative-downloads
[17:14] <lotuspsychje> designbybeck: have you tryed restarting/rebooting/loggin out?
[17:14] <RonnyZ> tomreyn, that's where I started...
[17:14] <RonnyZ> tomreyn, then I clicked on "Download the network installer for 18.04 LTS"
[17:14] <tomreyn> RonnyZ: mini.iso then
[17:14] <RonnyZ> then I clicked on "amd64 - For 64-bit Intel/AMD (x86_64)"
[17:14] <lotuspsychje> qwebirc96112: try chromiu-browser, the ubuntu alternative for chrome
[17:15] <RonnyZ> tomreyn, this one?  http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/bionic/main/installer-amd64/current/images/netboot/mini.iso
[17:15] <lotuspsychje> !info chromium-browser | qwebirc96112
[17:15] <refracta_noob> https://help.ubuntu.com/18.04/installation-guide/amd64/ch02s04.html#idm45633395732160
[17:15] <tomreyn> RonnyZ: if you want 18.01 and your architecture is amd64, yes
[17:15] <refracta_noob> RonnyZ: ^
[17:15] <RonnyZ> tomreyn, nah I want 18.04
[17:15] <designbybeck> lotuspsychje, I restarted to get the cinniom option in the login screen, but haven't since then
[17:16] <tomreyn> RonnyZ: whoops sorry, that's what i meant to write
[17:16] <RonnyZ> I didn't even know 18.01 was a thing
[17:16] <RonnyZ> tomreyn, oh okay then it's all good
[17:16] <tomreyn> there is no 18.01
[17:16] <designbybeck> other colors look ok lotuspsychje that was Facebook in Chromium, let me try firefox
[17:16] <refracta_noob> RonnyZ: just follow the installation guide for the Network entry - it explains how to use those files you arrived at
[17:16] <RonnyZ> tomreyn, sorry stupid question:  How will I get... let me think this through... it's non-graphical.  I need wifi in order to connect to the internet.
[17:16] <designbybeck> interesting lotuspsychje it seems ok in Firefox
[17:17] <RonnyZ> how can I connect to a wifi using the command line?
[17:17] <refracta_noob> I think Ubuntu uses nm-cli? Someone correct me?
[17:18] <RonnyZ> actually I downloaded the "normal" installation media already, but when the X server loads, I see only colored stripes rather than a desktop.
[17:18] <refracta_noob> sorry, nmcli*
[17:18] <tomreyn> RonnyZ: theoretically the alternative server installer (not sure about mini.iso, maybe) can connect to unencrypted or wpa2 encrypted access points, if your wiureless hardware is supported. but factually you want to connect a wire.
[17:18] <RonnyZ> so I must use the network installer.  But how would I get the wifi connection established?
[17:18] <designbybeck> lotuspsychje, http://pasteall.org/pic/show.php?id=9f33cc856b5ddb4a6609ea04f2a34ff6 this shows the two differnet Color Renderings in Firefox and Chromeium
[17:18] <tomreyn> RonnyZ: .. or just do it without network connection, but then you need to use the alternative server installer
[17:18] <RonnyZ> tomreyn, where can I get that please?
[17:19] <lotuspsychje> designbybeck: did you try start chromium from terminal, perhaps it will spit out usefull errors?
[17:19] <RonnyZ> tomreyn, http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/18.04/release/ubuntu-18.04-server-amd64.iso
[17:19] <lotuspsychje> designbybeck: feel free to share to us in a hastebin.com
[17:19] <RonnyZ> is this one correct?
[17:20] <tomreyn> RonnyZ: yes
[17:20] <RonnyZ> tomreyn, thank you!
[17:20] <designbybeck> no I didn't but I'm guessing maybe it has something to do with GTK in chromium..... does hastebin support Photos? I thought it was only for txt
[17:20] <RonnyZ> tomreyn, what tool would I use in the command line to connect to a wifi network?
[17:20] <designbybeck> lotuspsychje, ^
[17:20] <tomreyn> RonnyZ: but do yourself a favor and connect a wire instad.
[17:20] <RonnyZ> tomreyn, the wifi is password-protected
[17:20] <lotuspsychje> designbybeck: start from terminal= errors are cli right
[17:20] <RonnyZ> tomreyn, I have no wire
[17:20] <tomreyn> RonnyZ: get one :)
[17:21] <RonnyZ> tomreyn, does an Android phone work that is connected to my computer using the USB-tethering?
[17:21] <JimBuntu> I can USB tether to Android phones.
[17:21] <tomreyn> RonnyZ: haven't tried, maybe, but probably not.
[17:21] <tomreyn> JimBuntu: this is about installation
[17:21] <designbybeck> hmmm now it looks like the correct blue for facebook lotuspsychje
[17:22] <designbybeck> but didn't show any error or the like
[17:22] <SimonNL> nmcli d wifi connect SSID password might work
[17:22] <JimBuntu> Sorry, wasn't watching close enough.
[17:22] <RonnyZ> okay, then let's better go back to the graphical installer.  Why would my X show colored stripes rather than a desktop?
[17:22] <designbybeck> guess it fixed itself! Thanks lotuspsychje looks like it is working for CLI and GUI
[17:22] <RonnyZ> my mouse pointer works, but I cannot see a desktop hence no install-icon to click
[17:22] <lotuspsychje> !yay | designbybeck
[17:26] <qwebirc96112> Can I change the icon of an app in Ubuntu?
[17:34] <tomreyn> RonnyZ: actually usb tethering seems to work, i just tried (in a vm, with an android mobile phone connected via pass-through usb)
[17:37] <refracta_noob> I want to learn how Ubuntu handles X configuration - where do I look, what do I read?
[17:38] <refracta_noob> (I'm talking especially about how the LiveCD's X configuration is set up)
[17:39] <nacc> refracta_noob: which version of ubuntu?
[17:40] <nacc> refracta_noob: but in general, there is no 'configuration' on-disk, it's all detected by X at runtime in modern releases
[17:40] <refracta_noob> 16.04 or 18.04 - it doesn't matter too much to me
[17:40] <nacc> refracta_noob: then in both, it's just determined at runtime by X
[17:41] <refracta_noob> I see. I guess I'm just trying to understand why Ubuntu is able to run at native resolution on dispalys so often when some other distros do not fair quite as well (stuck at 1024x768)
[17:41] <nacc> refracta_noob: depends on the underlying driver, usually
[17:42] <refracta_noob> could it be differences in kernel configs? like KMS specifically?
[17:42] <nacc> refracta_noob: yes
[17:42] <nacc> refracta_noob: or kernel levels, etc.
[17:44] <refracta_noob> ah ok. thank you. on that note, what would I want to search through in the mailing lists? ubuntu-devel, ubuntu-devel-discuss , kernel-team, laptop-devel?
[17:46] <nacc> refracta_noob: sorry, search for what?
[17:50] <refracta_noob> nacc: searching for any discussion of KMS and XOrg specific to Ubuntu's configuration
[17:52] <Canaimero-15d6> ol
[17:52] <Canaimero-15d6> ola
[17:53] <nacc> refracta_noob: i mean, there isn't any, so ...
[17:53] <nacc> refracta_noob: or not really at least, the first two lists for sure don't discuss that; not sure about the last two
[18:05] <fath0m> hello guys, i have an issue, out of nowhere, my bionic repositories stoppe to work
[18:05] <fath0m> https://gist.github.com/fath0m/8796a253add0eb1aafef706baee52e57
[18:05] <fath0m> this is the output of sudo apt update
[18:07] <Poster> I think there may be an issue with that mirror
[18:08] <leftyfb> fath0m: try a different mirror
[18:08] <leftyfb> fath0m: us.archive.ubuntu.com
[18:08] <Poster> yeah I was going to suggest picking one from this list: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+archivemirrors
[18:09] <fath0m> thank you, seems to work!
[18:09] <fath0m> :)
[18:34] <benxyzzy> I have Windows 10 and I wish to dual boot Ubuntu, with all of Ubuntu's side (inc. swap) encrypted. Is this possible?
[18:40] <SporkWitch> benxyzzy: yes, for the how, simply type what you just did into google
[18:42] <Neizan_> hello
[18:42] <Neizan_> do you know what means "xD" ?
[18:42] <leftyfb> Neizan_: This is a support channel for Ubuntu.
[18:43] <benxyzzy> SporkWitch: lol thanks
[18:44] <SporkWitch> benxyzzy: np; if you have a more _specific_ question I'm happy to help, but the easily googled ones I will tend to point people towards google lol
[18:44] <Neizan_> leftyfb, where can i ask this question?
[18:44] <SporkWitch> speaking of which: Neizan_, https://google.com/
[18:44] <leftyfb> Neizan_: try google, or annoy people in #freenode with such a pointless question
[18:45] <Neizan_> leftyfb, is not useless for me but thanks
[18:46] <benxyzzy> leftyb /Neizan_: this is bizarre. Why are people on this channel if only to criticise rather than answer questions?
[18:46] <SporkWitch> benxyzzy: because they aren't ubuntu questions, they're google questions
[18:47] <oerheks> i would say bing, but oke
[18:47] <leftyfb> benxyzzy: Neizan_'s question is so far away from an ubuntu support question isn't not even funny
[18:47] <benxyzzy> SporkWitch: sounds like you know more about google tan ubuntu
[18:47] <SporkWitch> oerheks: are you trying to _prevent_ them getting answers? lol
[18:47] <SporkWitch> benxyzzy: sounds like you're a lazy troll
[18:48] <leftyfb> benxyzzy: to be fair, tell you to google your question I don't feel was appropriate
[18:48] <Neizan_> leftyfb, i'm not trying to be funny
[18:48] <SporkWitch> benxyzzy: do you have any actual questions, or just things we can copy and paste into google for you?
[18:48] <leftyfb> SporkWitch: please don't
[18:49] <Neizan_> i'm just asking it because i want to know if english people knows that or they just use lol and so
[18:49] <SporkWitch> leftyfb: don't encourage laziness and i won't have to ridicule it
[18:49] <leftyfb> SporkWitch: there's no need to get aggressive toward people looking for help with ubuntu. If you don't know the answer, then don't answer
[18:49] <SporkWitch> Neizan_: not an ubuntu question; ask google
[18:49] <leftyfb> Neizan_: try #freenode
[18:49] <SporkWitch> leftyfb: i wasn't aggressive when he was asking about ubuntu; he's not asking about ubuntu
[18:49] <Neizan_> oook
[18:50] <Neizan_> i'm not asking about ubuntu but I'M USING ubuntu
[18:50] <leftyfb> SporkWitch: ridiculing is against the CoC. !coc
[18:50] <nacc> Neizan_: that still makes the quetion offtopic
[18:50] <Neizan_> ok
[18:50] <leftyfb> !coc | SporkWitch
[18:50] <leftyfb> :/
[18:57] <texla> suse
[18:57] <leftyfb> texla: can we help you with something?
[18:58] <owner_> how to add moments' tracker to Linux mate please help
[18:58] <texla> lefytb slip of the fingure keyboard thanks sorry
[18:59] <oerheks> moments' tracker  as in vlc addon ? https://addons.videolan.org/p/1154020/
[19:00] <owner_> how to it make work
[19:01] <daegontaven> heeeeeeellllp!!!
[19:01] <nacc> daegontaven: it's better to just state your problem
[19:01] <daegontaven> my touchpad isn't working
[19:01] <oerheks> owner_, no idea, as i have no vlc
[19:01] <daegontaven> i'm using tabs :((
[19:02] <daegontaven> this is hard af
[19:02] <daegontaven> my brain isn't adavnced enough to solve this issue
[19:02] <daegontaven> for a start my touchpad isn't showing up in proc devices
[19:03] <leftyfb> daegontaven: do you have it disabled with the function keys/BIOS?
[19:03] <daegontaven> yeah
[19:03] <daegontaven> i can't undo it
[19:03] <daegontaven> every time i press the function key for touchpad, it gets disabled
[19:03] <owner_> vlc bookmarks not working can any one help
[19:03] <daegontaven> can't toggle it on
[19:04] <daegontaven> this is so bad...i'm a college student..can't afford to buy another laptop lol
[19:04] <daegontaven> can't even afford ramen hehehe
[19:04] <daegontaven> leftyfb: what do you mean BIOS
[19:05] <daegontaven> xev isn't detecting mouse clicks either
[19:05] <leftyfb> daegontaven: Is the touchpad disabled in the BIOS?
[19:05] <daegontaven> how do i check that hmmmm...
[19:05] <daegontaven> i didn't even know you could do that
[19:06] <leftyfb> daegontaven: step #1, go into your BIOS  step #2 look for something that looks like disabling your touchpad
[19:06] <daegontaven> well okay i'll go look and brb
[19:06] <daegontaven> thanks
[19:06] <memphisto> daegontaven: Fn+F3
[19:06] <owner_> file player for  linux mate  r2d2  were are you
[19:06] <daegontaven> memphisto: i'm not that dumb
[19:06] <leftyfb> daegontaven: Fn keys a pretty specific to manufacturers
[19:06] <daegontaven> actually he was right
[19:06] <daegontaven> i'm on  dell
[19:07] <daegontaven> which mostly has fn + f3
[19:07] <leftyfb> I'm on a Dell, F3 is volume up
[19:07] <daegontaven> oh
[19:07] <daegontaven> well talk about lucky af
[19:07] <memphisto> :) no, is it toggle ?
[19:07] <daegontaven> no it didn't work
[19:07] <daegontaven> my sound down isn't working either
[19:07] <daegontaven> sound up is tho
[19:08] <daegontaven> hmmmmm...
[19:08] <daegontaven> could it be because my os is on a usb stick
[19:08] <daegontaven> i booted it on a mac yesterday
[19:09] <daegontaven> stackoverflow is empy and nothing works
[19:09] <daegontaven> mah hart :(
[19:09] <leftyfb> daegontaven: please save the commentary
[19:09] <nacc> !enter | daegontaven
[19:09] <t0ntin> Hi, all. I recently changed the default file manager to Nemo. Every time I restart the computer, the desktop icons are gone, and I cannot right-click. Everything goes back to normal when I open Nemo. What can I do to fix this?
[19:09] <daegontaven> ubottu: sorry :(
[19:11] <daegontaven> touchpad not listed in /proc/bus/input/devices
[19:11] <daegontaven> !enter | daegontaven
[19:12] <oerheks> on my aspire i cannot undo the disable-touchpad-while-typing-button, i need to reboot for that
[19:13] <daegontaven> what is a while typing button
[19:13] <leftyfb> daegontaven: did you check the bios like I suggested?
[19:13] <owner_> will not be back fuck off and die robots
[19:13] <daegontaven> oh yeah gimme a sec, gonna reboot , can i ping you after i do it
[19:13] <daegontaven> ok i'll take that as a yes
[19:13] <daegontaven> brb
[19:15] <ktrl> irc is great
[19:23] <t0ntin> Hi, all. I recently changed the default file manager to Nemo. Every time I restart the computer, the desktop icons are gone, and I cannot right-click. Everything goes back to normal when I open Nemo. What can I do to fix this?
[19:23] <leftyfb> !repeat | t0ntin
[19:24] <Lope> Will Wayland ever become default in 18.04?
[19:24] <oerheks> Lope, no.
[19:25] <Lope> oerheks: thanks, good.
[19:25] <oerheks> maybe 18.10, but not the LTS version
[19:25] <oerheks> 17.10 was a good try-out
[19:26] <edgar_> Someone know something about TLP
[19:27] <leftyfb> edgar_: that's not your question
[19:27] <edgar_> how configure tlp for SSD
[19:29] <leftyfb> edgar_: https://linrunner.de/en/tlp/docs/tlp-configuration.html   first result on google for "configure tlp for SSD"
[19:30] <leftyfb> edgar_: https://kwygibo.wordpress.com/2016/12/06/saving-battery-in-linux-tlp-ssd-issues/   second result on google for "configure tlp for SSD"
[19:32] <edgar_> leftyfb, thanks I search that but the temperature of SSD increased after the configure it
[19:33] <leftyfb> edgar_: then you should mention what you have tried before asking how to do something. I've never used TLP do I cannot speak to it. But from the sounds of it, maybe your SSD just doesn't support it that well, or at all.
[19:33] <edgar_> aren´t know if was a update or something else
[19:33] <oerheks> a traditional hdd can be tweaked with tlp, no need to do so with ssd
[19:34] <skinux_> is it really theming that allows to make a gnome/ubuntu desktop look like Mac?
[19:34] <leftyfb> edgar_: the 2nd link I gave you mentioned an issue with SSD's and how to resolve it. Not sure if it's exactly your issue
[19:34] <skinux_> I mean, theming data will move and re-design the panel and all that?
[19:34] <edgar_> oerheks, but I think that need to be configure because something can be wrong
[19:36] <edgar_> leftyfb, any way thanks I will continue searching info or someone that has experience
[19:37] <Deknos> what is the official way to activate the debug symbols repository and/or install debug symbols for certain packages? is there something like apt install-dbgsymbols <package>?
[19:38] <ktrl> can't conect to server
[19:38] <ktrl> how to?
[19:38] <ktrl> registar
[19:38] <ktrl> what that mean
[19:38] <leftyfb> ktrl: go to #freenode for help with registering on Freenode
[19:38] <ktrl> i didn't understand
[19:39] <nacc> Deknos: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Debug%20Symbol%20Packages
[19:39] <nacc> Deknos: i don't believe it is wrapped by any helpers
[19:40] <Deknos> that would be incredibly useful...
[19:41] <nacc> Deknos: you can see if there is a bug filed, i guess
[19:43] <kubast2> nacc, Here's a more serious report: Basically grub install doesn't fail but there is no bootable media after install(efi reserved partition is there) and the grub install medium is /dev/sd(ssd) ,will be in a form of video which I'm rendering right now ,has some bits skipped in and in one part just added a text on the video for clarity because I recorded it on a phone
[19:43] <kubast2> it will come in 4 minutes ,but idk what else to include besides the fact that after uefi install there is no bootable medium
[19:44] <kubast2> recognised by my laptop ,adding in the entry manually from uefi shell helps
[19:44] <kubast2> might be that it's just how it is with this laptop ,no idea what you guys use for inserting the uefi boot entries ,but for some reason it doesn't work on my laptop
[19:45] <kubast2> *on this specific
[19:45] <kubast2> which is an acer aspire f15
[19:46] <nacc> some people online say that model has bios issues? https://community.acer.com/en/discussion/398200/bios-f5-571-uefi-linux-ubuntu
[19:46] <kubast2> Yeah it doesn't want to boot grub when installing from "bios" mode
[19:46] <nacc> there is a mention of uefi there
[19:46] <kubast2> allright
[19:57] <Bashing-om> kubast2: Maybe oldfred has some insights : http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2330267 - must enable trust in the firmware .
[20:00] <oerheks> some machines need to have set the ADMIN bios password to do so ..
[20:03] <genii> oerheks: I've found this with most Acers
[20:04] <SporkWitch> oerheks: for secure boot? O.o if that were the case windows wouldn't boot the first time either.  Ubuntu (and Kubuntu) use the same shim, which doesn't require _anything_ extra be done unless you install proprietary drivers (and actually, while that prompted me to set a MOK, it never asked for it).  The shim is signed with MSFT's key, which is preloaded onto any UEFI board you buy (huzzah monopoly
[20:04] <genii> ..and then you have to navigate to the grub efi file in the Ubuntu directory of the EFI partition and tell the bios it's a trusted boot file
[20:08] <jmgb4> SporkWitch, Thats weird.
[20:09] <SporkWitch> genii: that's handled automatically during install, at least on the kubuntu 18.04.0 LTS ISO; if the ubuntu one isn't, then a bug report needs to be filed.
[20:09] <oerheks> for acer aspire f15 i find no posts about 32 bit uefi, so that could be no issue
[20:10] <SporkWitch> genii: literally nothing special required for secureboot on the kubuntu 18.04 LTS ISO from beginning of may, stick it in, tell it to intsall, point it at the existing EFI partition (it'll create one if there isn't one)
[20:17] <memphisto> kubast2:  https://askubuntu.com/questions/870022/how-to-get-grub-boot-option/870074   -- point 35
[20:19] <rk3y> anyone running ubuntu 16.04 LTS with AMD R9290?
[20:22] <guntbert> rk3y: is this a poll or do you have a *real* question behind it?
[20:23] <rk3y> i am trying since weeks to get my r9290 working on ubuntu with hashcat
[20:23] <rk3y> I have the doubt that AMD ROCM driver are not working with Linux properly
[20:23] <oerheks> i would use HWE with that
[20:24] <rk3y> 16.04 LTS + HWE`?
[20:24] <oerheks> !hwe
[20:24] <oerheks> or jump to 18.04
[20:25] <memphisto> rk3y: apt search amdgpu
[20:26] <rk3y> according to hashcat README only ROCM is required from github repository - they claim only suporting XENIAL 16.04. that's why I am still on 16.04 (coming from 14.04)
[20:26] <rk3y> but thanks for the super fast response here - great
[20:30] <oerheks> hmm there is an early preview https://support.amd.com/en-us/kb-articles/Pages/Radeon-Software-for-Linux-18.20-Early-Preview-Release-Notes.aspx
[20:30] <oerheks> ROCm Platform 1.6
[20:31] <niekniek> hi! I need to start the ubuntu terminal from the command line… what is the name of the executable?
[20:33] <oerheks> ctrl alt T
[20:33] <ISONotLoading> Hello
[20:33] <Jonta> Hi
[20:34] <ISONotLoading> Startup Disk Creator is not loading my ISO
[20:34] <ISONotLoading> I tried various solution online but none of them helped me out
[20:34] <Jonta> !enter | ISONotLoading
[20:34] <oerheks> ubuntu iso ?
[20:34] <ISONotLoading> Windows ISO
[20:35] <oerheks> owww, i was afraid something was wrong
[20:35] <oerheks> no, you need an other tool
[20:35] <oerheks> https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2017/06/create-bootable-windows-10-usb-ubuntu
[20:35] <oerheks> woeusb
[20:36] <ISONotLoading> Thank you very much
[20:36] <oerheks> it can take a while, but can confirm it works
[20:37] <rany> V7: You'll have to open /boot/syslinux/porteus.cfg and edit the end of the APPEND line, to make it read 'changes=/porteus/save.dat'
[20:38] <V7> rany: Uh, this is not #ubuntu related :)
[20:38] <rany> V7: Actually, I was wrong
[20:38] <rany> Do you have a gui in Porteus?
[20:39] <V7> Please, let's continue in genuine channel, dear rany
[20:40] <rany> V7: I noticed haha xD
[20:40] <oerheks> grinn
[20:41] <giannis> hello
[20:42] <Guest52537> first time on linux
[20:42] <Jonta> Hi
[20:42] <Jonta> Guest52537: How is it so far?
[20:42] <Guest52537> better than windows
[20:43] <Jonta> :D - Top 3 ways it's better? Been so long for me
[20:43] <monotux> hm so I managed to remove postgresql-9.5 before migrating any data to 10, and I'm on arm64 so I can't find any repo with a precompiled deb to use, and compiling postgresql manually and installing to /opt still doesn't make the pg_upgradecluster work. any ideas?
[20:44] <eelstrebor> anyone know why my ssd could not boot with xfs but worked fine with ext4?
[20:44] <monotux> eelstrebor did you have xfs on your boot partition?
[20:44] <Jonta> monotux: "doesn't make it work". More specific, please
[20:45] <eelstrebor> yes
[20:45] <eelstrebor> monotux, the entire drive was formatted with xfs
[20:46] <monotux> Jonta, sorry. the script pg_upgradecluster requires pg_controldata but it can't find it in path, even when I try to manually add it to the path used in the script
[20:46]  * eelstrebor has to reinvent the world everytime he does a fresh install or re-install
[20:46] <Jonta> Hmm. Something you have to reload perhaps?
[20:46] <monotux> eelstrebor, there is your problem. make sure that grub/your bootloader supports booting of xfs, otherwise create a separate /boot partition using ext4
[20:46] <Jonta> Like when adding a new alias to bash
[20:47] <monotux> Jonta, I tried looking through the script to see where it locates the missing binary but I got lost in the perl world and gave up
[20:47] <Jonta> How big's the script?
[20:47] <eelstrebor> monotux, ok. i didn't see any info on the web that mentioned that - i'd like to try f2fs but i guess they haven't got the bugs worked out
[20:48] <Jonta> Pastebin it and we can have a look
[20:48] <monotux> Jonta, 1k but it uses a few libs which I guess are much bigger
[20:48] <monotux> eelstrebor, just create a separate boot partition and have fun!
[20:48] <eelstrebor> for now, i'll just stay with ext4 on the boot drive
[20:49] <eelstrebor> the data drives are formatted with xfs and they seem to work ok
[20:49] <Jonta> monotux: Well. Other than that. Tried turning it off and on again?
[20:49] <monotux> oh wait I'm pretty stupid. I just found https://www.postgresql.org/docs/9.6/static/upgrading.html so I'm going to try to do it manually
[20:49] <black_13> how do I install clang-format-6.0 for ubuntu 16.04
[20:49] <monotux> Jonta, haha
[20:50] <black_13> i need a ppa link?
[20:50] <monotux> https://blog.kowalczyk.info/article/k/how-to-install-latest-clang-6.0-on-ubuntu-16.04-xenial-wsl.html
[20:50] <monotux> used your  exact question to google it
[21:15] <GeorgeHarrington> Hi anybody knows if there is any way to reduce the size of the programs when clickicks the bottom left menu
[21:15] <GeorgeHarrington> make it more compact?
[21:16] <Jonta> The icons?
[21:16] <GeorgeHarrington> not the side icons those I figured it is in the "settings" but the icons of "all programs"
[21:17] <GeorgeHarrington> yeah the icons.... make it smaller icons and more programs without the dots to go page after page
[21:17] <GeorgeHarrington> Hi Jonta
[21:17] <GeorgeHarrington> Hi everybody.
[21:18] <syb0rg> Hi. This may help, GeorgeHarrington: https://www.reddit.com/r/gnome/comments/7cbv5e/dash_icons_size/
[21:18] <monotux> aaaawh yeah it wasn't that bad at all! I exported the database using my own compiled binaries and could import them into the new db
[21:18] <Jonta> \o/
[21:19] <syb0rg> Jonta, your lol is drunk
[21:20] <Jonta> syb0rg: It's not a lol. https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=%5Co%2F
[21:20] <GeorgeHarrington> syb0rg I need to clarify. I am not talking about "Dash to Dock" or the "Dock" rather the "All Programs Icons" when clicking the Expo button or whatever the button at the bottom of the Dash
[21:20] <syb0rg> I know, Jonta =P
[21:20] <GeorgeHarrington> Jonta is fine.
[21:21] <Jonta> Yes I am
[21:21] <GeorgeHarrington> If it's whiskey it does not count as drunk.
[21:21] <GeorgeHarrington> It is just lit'
[21:21]  * Jonta has never had whiskey or whisky
[21:21] <monotux> now I'm off to bed
[21:22] <Jonta> Do you sleep in a tux?
[21:22] <GeorgeHarrington> Anybody for the "all programs" icons? reduce size. make it 1 page instead of 3 to 4 scrolls via right hand round buttons when using standard Ubuntu 18.04
[21:23] <GeorgeHarrington> Also what is the best way to config OpenVPN in Ubuntu. Testing Ubuntu from Linux Mint
[21:23] <GeorgeHarrington> Trying to have a feel for it.
[21:24] <syb0rg> so what DE do you have, GeorgeHarrington
[21:24] <oerheks> oh, mint has its own issues
[21:24] <oerheks> !mint
[21:24] <syb0rg> I was guessing gnome, since that is the current vanilla DE
[21:25] <syb0rg> regarding your openvpn config, it depends on what you are trying to accomplish
[21:26] <GeorgeHarrington> Any good app with easy install file / visual UI to encrypt files from many formats (Blowfish, AES, RCA, Serpent, etc)
[21:27] <GeorgeHarrington> What I meant to say is that I am familiar wt Mint but I am right now testing Ubuntu 18.04
[21:27] <GeorgeHarrington> Not on Mint.
[21:27] <compdoc_> GeorgeHarrington, like veracrypt, if i understand
[21:27] <GeorgeHarrington> Setup VPN connections from config files
[21:28] <GeorgeHarrington> veracrypt no go. Looking for multi crypto software that allows to quickly change crypto standard and apply to files.
[21:28] <GeorgeHarrington> (Thank you in advance for all your help) (have a lot of questions)
[21:28] <oerheks> https://help.ubuntu.com/stable/ubuntu-help/net-vpn-connect.html.en vpn is standard available in networkmanager
[21:28] <Jonta> Why do you want to quickly change the crypto?
[21:30] <GeorgeHarrington> oerhecks 100% for the VPN settings. So the dynamic in Ubuntu is to go thru search inside ACTIVITIES...
[21:30] <GeorgeHarrington> Jonta > cryp[to change for size and time on large files.
[21:31] <syb0rg> "crypto change for size and time". What?
[21:32] <GeorgeHarrington> Ideally I would love to install this little program https://paranoiaworks.mobi/download/
[21:32] <GeorgeHarrington> But I have not been able to understand how to install or make it work on Linux.
[21:33] <syb0rg> it says it has a runnable jar file, GeorgeHarrington
[21:33] <GeorgeHarrington> Also anybody knows if WINE works with Ubuntu 18
[21:33] <syb0rg> that means you need java installed, than you can run it with java --jar
[21:33] <syb0rg> of course wine works with ubuntu 18
[21:34] <GeorgeHarrington> ... Java... Oh god my friend I struggled and struggled... I just failed. I am certainly doing it wrong but cannot for the life of me make it happen.
[21:34] <GeorgeHarrington> I cannot install that little SSE.
[21:34] <GeorgeHarrington> I am sure if you sat nexrt to me it would take about 5 but spend 2 hours plus trying and failed.
[21:34] <GeorgeHarrington> looking for software alternative.
[21:34] <GeorgeHarrington> Or maybe run that lil app as Android app.
[21:35] <GeorgeHarrington> Any Android emulator for Ubuntu?
[21:35] <Jonta> You have a lot of questions. Have you googled any of them before coming here?
[21:35] <oerheks> yeah, thinking the same, is this trivia or homework?
[21:35] <GeorgeHarrington> syb0rg let me install WINE. A message during install said NOT SUPPORTED. Let me try again
[21:36] <syb0rg> GeorgeHarrington, all you should need to do to get java is run: sudo apt update && sudo apt install default-jdk
[21:36] <GeorgeHarrington> YES and I suck at finding what I need ort how to. Usually when interacting with humans I get better resultsa...
[21:36] <GeorgeHarrington> Too many questions?
[21:36] <GeorgeHarrington> I could offer beer but yall are too far.
[21:36] <syb0rg> GeorgeHarrington, I hope you are installing software through apt or apt-get when possible
[21:36] <GeorgeHarrington> apt is the Ubuntu soft manager right?
[21:36] <syb0rg> GeorgeHarrington, it is fine to ask questions but: 1) focus on one question at a time and 2) always do at least a bit of research before asking
[21:37] <Jonta> It's not the amount of questions. It's the apparent lack of effort before asking them
[21:37] <syb0rg> correct, GeorgeHarrington
[21:37] <syb0rg> often the easiest way to find the correct package is just to google: install whatever on ubuntu 18.04
[21:37] <GeorgeHarrington> Oh no believe me. Just that crypto software install was 2 hours. Finding a crypto app (google, software manager) results on nothing good. Besides classic GPNU or GPA...
[21:38] <GeorgeHarrington> Resize Icons on program list... Cannot find.
[21:38] <syb0rg> So back to my question for you on that subject, GeorgeHarrington: you are running gnome, yes?
[21:38] <GeorgeHarrington> My WINE when attempting install said "NOT SUPPORTED"
[21:38] <GeorgeHarrington> Gnome 100%
[21:38] <syb0rg> what did I just say about one question at a tie
[21:38] <syb0rg> *time
[21:38] <GeorgeHarrington> 1
[21:39] <syb0rg> so that link I gave you earlier refers to an extension called dash to dock, which I think will allow you to resize the icons
[21:39] <syb0rg> I don't use gnome, but that is what I am getting out of that comment thread
[21:40] <syb0rg> I would suggest reading through it and trying what they say
[21:40] <syb0rg> when it comes to wine: how are you trying to install it? What was the exact command or process
[21:41] <CalicoFlows> Can I somehow bind my mouse wheel button to act as if the shift key is pressed on my keyboard?
[21:42] <syb0rg> this may help, CalicoFlows https://askubuntu.com/questions/1044573/remap-a-button-from-my-gaming-mouse-to-a-keyboard-key
[21:43] <GeorgeHarrington> syb0rg just using the app installer. No commands. WINE is not installed. I guess something went wrong the first time.
[21:43] <syb0rg> sounds like it, GeorgeHarrington
[21:43] <GeorgeHarrington> As far as the Icons somebody in that thread said its hardcoded. No tweeking I guess. The only element in standard Gnome Ubuntu is the side Icons.
[21:44] <syb0rg> yeah, thus the extension GeorgeHarrington
[21:44] <syb0rg> someone in that thread also said the extension can change icon size
[21:44] <GeorgeHarrington> syb0rg any tool you can recommend to run android apps on Ubuntu?
[21:44] <syb0rg> One. Question. At. A. Time.
[21:45] <syb0rg> are you running a 32 or 64 bit system?
[21:45] <syb0rg> if you don't know, run udev -m in ubuntu
[21:45] <syb0rg> or sorry, uname -m
[21:46] <syb0rg> CalicoFlows, and you can use xev to figure out what button number your middle mouse click is (probably 2)
[21:48] <GeorgeHarrington> running 64bit
[21:49] <syb0rg> ok, then from the command line try sudo apt update && sudo apt install wine64
[21:50] <GeorgeHarrington> syb0rg as I am new to this "run commands world" (coming from PC anda bit of Linux Mint".
[21:50] <GeorgeHarrington> When using terminal does it matter where you type these commands? Should you always run them from your username?
[21:51] <syb0rg> so what sudo does is run the command for you as root
[21:51] <syb0rg> some commands, like using apt, require superuser (root) permissions
[21:51] <syb0rg> for other stuff that doesn't need root, it is advisable to just run as your own user generally
[21:51] <GeorgeHarrington> roger on SUDO and also typed creds. Installing now.
[21:52] <GeorgeHarrington> If I ran that command from says /user/downloads/Misc Files/ it would have not worked right?
[21:52] <syb0rg> that doesn't matter in this case
[21:52] <syb0rg> the directory you are in matters when you do operations on a file with a relative path
[21:52] <GeorgeHarrington> >> Run comands from USERNAME:-$     right?
[21:52] <syb0rg> meaning: rm file.txt\
[21:52] <syb0rg> that command would only work if file.txt was in the folder you are in
[21:53] <GeorgeHarrington> OK back to simple questions. WINE is updated and clean.
[21:53] <GeorgeHarrington> Thank you sir.
[21:53] <syb0rg> what we are doing is running apt, which doesn't depend on being in a particulary directory to work
[21:53] <syb0rg> no problem
[21:53] <syb0rg> now if you want your crypto program to work, you need to install java
[21:53] <syb0rg> sudo apt install default-jdk
[21:54] <GeorgeHarrington> gotcha for the commands. I installed a tiny app on my phone to learn commands. This is going to hurt. As Windows user the visual interface was a luxury.
[21:54] <CalicoFlows> syb0rg, thanks a lot! I installed it and I am looking at the official page http://xahlee.info/linux/linux_xbindkeys_tutorial.html but I am kind of lost. Do you think I can find the syntax somewhere? How do you know how to use it properly? All of these "-no-jump-pointer -xsendevent -text" are especially confusing
[21:54] <GeorgeHarrington> OH GOD NOOOOO! are you really going to make me do this?
[21:54] <syb0rg> the command line is really not too hard to learn once you get over the initial difficulty GeorgeHarrington, and it is really handy to know
[21:54] <GeorgeHarrington> I'll do it! OK I'll do it!
[21:54] <syb0rg> up to you GeorgeHarrington
[21:55] <GeorgeHarrington> I'LLLLL DO IT (PAIN IN VOICE)
[21:55] <syb0rg> I have never used it CalicoFlows, I just found that answer for ya
[21:55] <syb0rg> maybe try looking up tutorials, or working from the process whoen in said answer, CalicoFlows?
[21:55] <GeorgeHarrington> JAVA somewhat installing....
[21:55] <syb0rg> *shown
[21:55] <GeorgeHarrington> A miracle.
[21:56] <syb0rg> miraculous indeed
[21:56] <syb0rg> this is why we use package managers, GeorgeHarrington =P
[21:56] <GeorgeHarrington> 18%    miracle lil commands by syb0rg
[21:56] <GeorgeHarrington> If this install works I might need to send you a beer via usps.
[21:56] <GeorgeHarrington> Old school son...
[21:56] <syb0rg> eh it's all good
[21:57] <oerheks> if not, no refund
[21:57] <syb0rg> honestly installing software almost always works when you stick to official repoes and apt/apt-get
[21:57] <syb0rg> only if the software is not available there or out of date should you try other approaches
[22:00] <gambl0re> can anyone explain to me in simple terms is what a ppa is?
[22:00] <nacc> !ppa | gambl0re
[22:00] <nacc> gambl0re: it's a repository for packages being built at someone's request
[22:01] <gambl0re> they are not part of linux's official packages?
[22:01] <nacc> gambl0re: no
[22:01] <gambl0re> so that means they're not safe to use?
[22:01] <oerheks> you have been around lng enough to tell us, gambl0re :-D
[22:01] <syb0rg> nor ubuntu's more topically
[22:01] <nacc> gambl0re: sorry, what syb0rg said, no such thing as "linux's official packages"
[22:01] <syb0rg> they are as safe as the vendor or individual providing them, gambl0re
[22:01] <nacc> gambl0re: "safe" is in the eye of the beholder
[22:01] <syb0rg> you have to make a judgement call =P
[22:02] <gambl0re> then how do i manage all my packages if im getting all these packages from various people?
[22:02] <syb0rg> apt still manages software from a ppa
[22:02] <syb0rg> it will still grab updates
[22:02] <nacc> gambl0re: managing packages is distinct from the source of the packages
[22:02] <gambl0re> i want to upgrade my python 2 to python 3
[22:02] <nacc> gambl0re: no you don't.
[22:02] <gambl0re> should i follow this guide? https://askubuntu.com/questions/865554/how-do-i-install-python-3-6-using-apt-get
[22:03] <gambl0re> nacc, yes i do
[22:03] <oerheks> support for those packages you need to talk to 'various people'
[22:03] <syb0rg> don't upgrade, install side by side gambl0re
[22:03] <nacc> gambl0re: why do you think youw ant to do that?
[22:03] <syb0rg> unless you have a compelling reason not to
[22:03] <nacc> gambl0re: because your system will break if you try to remove python2.
[22:03] <gambl0re> because python 2 will be unsupoorted
[22:03] <nacc> gambl0re: no, it will not be.
[22:03] <nacc> gambl0re: please don't spread FUD.
[22:03] <gambl0re> in 2020
[22:03] <syb0rg> is it 2020?
[22:03] <nacc> gambl0re: and ubuntu support for python2 is unrelated to upstream's support.
[22:03] <gambl0re> i asked people in #python. they said python 2 will not be supported in 2020
[22:04] <nacc> gambl0re: that's nice.
[22:04] <nacc> gambl0re: what does that have to do with *your* machine and ubuntu?
[22:04] <gambl0re> you think i'm lying?
[22:04] <nacc> gambl0re: i think you don't know what you're talking about.
[22:04] <syb0rg> guess I need a new calendar, pretty sure that is two years from now
[22:04] <gambl0re> ok nevermind then.
[22:04] <oerheks> xenial already has python 3.5x
[22:04] <gambl0re> thanks
[22:04] <syb0rg> even if it is factual =P
[22:04] <nacc> gambl0re: hint, your system *already* has python3 installed
[22:04] <nacc> almost certainly, if it's a modern release
[22:04] <CalicoFlows> syb0rg, I got to here - https://pastebin.com/piVtp41R - it's the config file that I need to edit... I am staring at it hard but ?? still can't grasp the syntax. How do I tell it that b:2 = shift
[22:05] <gambl0re> im actually using xubuntu
[22:05] <nacc> gambl0re: that's an official flavor, so it's the same packages as ubuntu.
[22:05] <gambl0re> when i do "python -V" i get python 2.7
[22:05] <nacc> gambl0re: yes
[22:05] <nacc> gambl0re: run `python3 -V`
[22:05] <nacc> and *don't* change python to be python3.
[22:06] <gambl0re> nacc, it says Python 3.6.5
[22:06] <gambl0re> cool now how do i make that my default
[22:06] <nacc> gambl0re: you don't.
[22:06] <nacc> gambl0re: please just listen to us
[22:06] <gambl0re> nacc, ok i trust you guys. thanks
[22:06] <nacc> gambl0re: use python when you want python2 and python3 when you want python3.
[22:06] <gambl0re> nacc, no worries. thanks for your help
[22:06] <oerheks> 18.04 gives python3 solely
[22:07] <blackflow> gambl0re: what nacc is saying is python specification. python scripts expect that. if you change it, you've broken stuff.
[22:07] <nacc> oerheks: aiui, still under python3 though and only by default; many packages still need python2
[22:08] <nacc> blackflow: thanks, i probably could just have pointed to the PEP
[22:09] <blackflow> yeah, PEP 394.  https://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0394/
[22:10] <syb0rg> CalicoFlows, this is very much a guess, but... https://pastebin.com/yNAJvSRZ
[22:12] <syb0rg> oerheks, my 18.04 has python2 and python3.
[22:12] <GeorgeHarrington> sybo0rg JAVA is installed me thinks...
[22:13] <syb0rg> good, GeorgeHarrington. Now you need to download the correct version of the program you were looking at, the one with a runnable jar that works on linux, macOS and windows
[22:14] <syb0rg> oerheks, I would say maybe python2 was just pulled as a dependency for something I installed, but "python" runs python 2 and "python3" runs python 3 (same behavior as I had in my 16.04 install)
[22:15] <blackflow> syb0rg: that is correct. see the above PEP 394 link.
[22:15] <syb0rg> I was just responding to oerheks comments that 18.04 "gives python3 soley", blackflow
[22:15] <blackflow> syb0rg: and that is still correct.
[22:15] <syb0rg> okay =P
[22:16] <blackflow> by default python2 is no longer installed in Bionic. it's installed as a dependency of something or if you to it explicitly.
[22:16] <blackflow> *do it
[22:16] <syb0rg> interesting. So if I didn't have something that pulled it as a dependency, would python point at python3 or just not be in my path?
[22:17] <blackflow> syb0rg: it wouldn't exist as a command. again, see the above link for PEP 394.
[22:18] <nacc> syb0rg: in a future release that might change, but not anytime soon (afaik)
[22:18] <syb0rg> well now there is no reason to blackflow. I know everything now, thanks to you :)
[22:18] <nacc> syb0rg: and certainly not in any existing releases
[22:18] <GeorgeHarrington> SYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYBOOOOOOOOOORG! It works!
[22:18] <syb0rg> hurray!
[22:18] <GeorgeHarrington> Amen! You killer sir. I changed the file to EXEC under properties and the JAVA RUNTIME was soliud!
[22:18] <GeorgeHarrington> THANK YOU SO MUCH!
[22:19] <GeorgeHarrington> KILLER
[22:19] <V7> o.o
[22:19] <GeorgeHarrington> Where do I send the beer and care package?
[22:19] <syb0rg> no problem, just remember to use apt in the future lol, make your life easier
[22:19] <syb0rg> no need for care packages
[22:19] <syb0rg> and also remember that google loves you, and you should visit it regularly
[22:19] <oerheks> !info python2.7
[22:20] <syb0rg> but we're here for you when it fails you
[22:20] <GeorgeHarrington> Can you suggest a page to learn simple APT    issue is I just don't know. I am too new to command
[22:20] <oerheks> python2 is optional...
[22:20] <V7> GeorgeHarrington: $ man apt
[22:20] <syb0rg> here, GeorgeHarrington https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AptGet/Howto
[22:21] <syb0rg> and also what V7 said, but mine is probably more comprehensible to learn the basics
[22:21] <CalicoFlows> syb0rg, did not work ;/ so my wheel button does not work now which Is a good sign I guess but... I give up... it's been 40 minutes already
[22:21] <flipper887> Damn AMD/ATI Radeon FirePro WSXX00 series drivers won't install correctly on 18.04 so I reverted to An inexpensive MSI Branded Passively  Cooled NVIDIA GEFORCE GT 710 and will unfortunately have to sell my ATI FirePRo WS2100 Graphics Card that I paid extra for from Dell Technologies (DEMC.Dell Computer and VM Ware's) Parent Company..
[22:21] <CalicoFlows> Thanks a lot brother!!
[22:21] <V7> Also, $ apt -h will give as much basics as it can
[22:22] <syb0rg> np, CalicoFlows. You probably just need to figure out the correct way to refer to the shift key
[22:22] <syb0rg> rather than Shift_L or whatever I had
[22:22] <CalicoFlows> syb0rg, I killed xbindkeys but my mid button still doesn't work... ;/
[22:22] <GeorgeHarrington> V7 woooooo just discovered something.
[22:22] <CalicoFlows> yeah, I tried shift :D
[22:23] <skinux> Anyone know what package is needed for qt4 support for HP Toolbox?
[22:23] <V7> Btw is there any possible way to unmount a partition via UUID ?
[22:23] <syb0rg> probably need to modify the config file (comment out the stuff I wrote) and run xbindkeys again CalicoFlows
[22:23] <GeorgeHarrington> syb0rg question #78      Any god ol x64 Android emulator that works fine with Ubuntu?
[22:23] <syb0rg> Did you try the google?
[22:23] <syb0rg> ask the google: ubuntu 18.04 android emulator
[22:24] <V7> Also #android
[22:24] <syb0rg> although I think android studio has an emulator built in
[22:24] <CalicoFlows> syb0rg, yup, it works now. Really appreciate man!
[22:24] <syb0rg> np CalicoFlows
[22:24] <Jonta> CalicoFlows: What are you using this shift for? :)
[22:24] <blackflow> V7: maybe umount /dev/disk/by-uuid/...  ?
[22:25] <V7> blackflow: YOu're man
[22:25] <V7> haha, ofc
[22:26] <V7> Btw it's rather strange why they didn't added a thing like: umount UUID="foo" because mount has this feature
[22:26] <V7> didn't add *
[22:26] <GeorgeHarrington> I do not trust Google i Trust humans. They have better judgement. I trust syb0rg
[22:26] <syb0rg> hmm, well then trust me that google is your best resource
[22:26] <Jonta> But do you respect the humans' time?
[22:26] <GeorgeHarrington> Yes I do.
[22:26] <V7> Time...
[22:27] <GeorgeHarrington> Does this mean I gotta go now... ;-(
[22:27] <Jonta> I disagree. See googling things first
[22:27] <syb0rg> or your own: you can solve problems way faster by improving your google-fu than waiting for replies on IRC
[22:27] <V7> Thank you blackflow
[22:27] <blackflow> V7: you're welcome.
[22:28] <GeorgeHarrington> you prob know already all the best Android apps out there. Just trying to get top notch stuff without going into headaches after listening to google searches that nend in catastrophic garbage 99.9 % of time.
[22:28] <syb0rg> I know basically nothing about android
[22:28] <GeorgeHarrington> I'll vacate BUT I really need to thank you kids. Great help. Can't believe that program works.
[22:28] <kk4ewt> dont like google but like android makes no sense  at all
[22:28] <syb0rg> and this is the wrong channel for android software recommendations
[22:28] <GeorgeHarrington> syb0rg really? no use on Linux?
[22:29] <kk4ewt> and no you can not run android apps on computers
[22:29] <syb0rg> wrong, kk4ewt
[22:29] <CalicoFlows> I wish sailfish would become a thing...
[22:29] <syb0rg> correct, GeorgeHarrington
[22:29] <GeorgeHarrington> PC has many Android emulators. Lots of them suck but some are amazing. Almost like a virtual phone.
[22:29] <syb0rg> android apps are made to run on android devices, which are inherently limited
[22:30] <syb0rg> so I have no use for them
[22:30] <GeorgeHarrington> You go pro dontya?
[22:30] <syb0rg> sure why not
[22:30] <GeorgeHarrington> I am low skill peasant trying to understand Linux. I type with 2 fingers type guy
[22:30] <GeorgeHarrington> 3, 2, 1, ...
[22:31] <GeorgeHarrington> Thank you for everything yall. Great help. Vacating now.
[22:32] <syb0rg> alright, good luck
[22:32] <GeorgeHarrington> Love you syb0rg thanks a million.
[22:32] <GeorgeHarrington> I'll be back.
[22:32] <blackflow> say it in Arnie's voice...
[22:32] <CalicoFlows> everything becomes sooo complicated when I switch to Ubuntu... :) I have on and off phases, but man am I trying hard
[22:36] <bytejumper> <hello world>
[22:36] <syb0rg> </hello world>
[22:37] <bytejumper> hi syb0rg
[22:37] <syb0rg> hi bytejumper
[22:38] <bytejumper> I'm new to irc ...you got some cool channels I cn join
[22:38] <oerheks> !alis
[22:38] <oerheks> we are not the yellow pages :-P
[22:38] <CalicoFlows> or just type /list
[22:39] <jetgirl> :-)
[22:39] <bytejumper>  got it..merci all
[22:39] <syb0rg> this particular channel is for ubuntu support, bytejumper. You can chat about whatever on #ubuntu-offtopic if ya want. You could chat on #freenode also, I believe you need a registered nick for either channel (see the freenode website to learn how to register)
[22:40] <GeorgeHarrington> syb0rg I lied.  One last question.   Basically when looking at home folder. Where are the programs saved / under what folder generally?Say windows is Program Files... In Ubuntu it is saved in what dir?
[22:40] <blackflow> GeorgeHarrington: see the hier(7) manpage
[22:40] <syb0rg> there are a number of directories software is installed to. /bin and /usr/bin are two.
[22:41] <syb0rg> and also shared libraries in other locations
[22:41] <GeorgeHarrington> being a good boy and moving that lil app there and keep things clean.
[22:41] <syb0rg> no
[22:41] <syb0rg> don't do that
[22:41] <GeorgeHarrington> Going to try to make shortcuts to desktop too.
[22:41] <GeorgeHarrington> noob at work here. Roger for the dir. Thanks guys.
[22:41] <syb0rg> for manually install software use /opt or your home directory, or /usr/local/bin
[22:42] <aegis> I'm a fan of /opt these days.
[22:42] <GeorgeHarrington> ok on it
[22:42] <syb0rg> I put stuff in opt if it needs sudo permission, or in ~/bin if it can run as a non superuser
[22:43] <aegis> syb0rg: you just need to make the initial directory with sudo then chown it to whatever user/group you want
[22:44] <aegis> that goes pretty much for anything you install as a user outside of ~/
[22:44] <syb0rg> I just do it for organizational purposes, aegis. So if stuff is contained to my user it is in my user directory, or if it needs root permissions or to run as another use or somnething it goes in opt
[22:44] <syb0rg> *another user
[22:44] <aegis> yeah that works
[22:45] <aegis> I'm usually doing it because my /home partition is getting close to full.  lol
[22:45] <syb0rg> uh-oh :-|
[22:50] <GeorgeHarrington> So syb0rg if I wanted to create a shortcut and add an ICON to it for those JARs to place them on desktop or launcher...
[22:50] <GeorgeHarrington> How would I make them executable JAR Icons?
[22:50] <GeorgeHarrington> tried for 35 minutes.
[22:50] <GeorgeHarrington> Not bringing my best I know...
[22:50] <syb0rg> icons are .desktop files, which I don't really bother messing with
[22:51] <syb0rg> you can probably generate them through gnome
[22:51] <GeorgeHarrington> Generate them through gnome?    What does that mean (low level user member)
[22:51] <syb0rg> by adding a custom software launching command, then telling it to place a shortcut to that command on your desktop
[22:51] <syb0rg> just look up gnome custom shortcut
[22:51] <syb0rg> or something of that nature
[22:52] <GeorgeHarrington> "just look up gnome custom shortcut" on it sir.
[22:52] <oerheks> gnome-panel is helpfull, http://sharadchhetri.com/2017/02/10/create-desktop-launcher-in-unity-desktop-ubuntu-16-04-lts/ else fiddle manually around with https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UnityLaunchersAndDesktopFiles
[22:53] <oerheks> !info gnome-panel
[23:22] <NoIdea> Got a problem with system tray menus not working in Trusty.  Anyone know about this/know a way round it?
[23:28] <NoIdea> Anyone, please?
[23:29] <NoIdea> Or does anyone know where I can file bug reports for Trusty?  I'm pretty sure this problem is a recent development, so if they broke something they need to know.
[23:43] <Luxray5474> I have a problem with sudo
[23:43] <rorqual> Description of error?
[23:45] <Luxray5474> I've created a new user, using the main account in root. I've moved a directory from my main user's home dir, and placed it in the new user's. To access it iwth the new user, I must have root access. But I can't because whenever I use sudo, it says "[username] is not in the sudoers file. This incident will be reported."
[23:47] <NoIdea> Did anyone see my message?
[23:47] <wreo> add your user to the sudo group
[23:47] <Luxray5474> how?
[23:47] <wreo> i think it's gpasswd -a user group
[23:48] <Luxray5474> and i run that command from admin account?
[23:48] <wreo> root, yeah
[23:48] <rorqual> Yes.
[23:49] <wreo> and chown -R youruser:group directory to fix that directory issue
[23:49] <wreo> eg chown -R wreo:sudo /home/wreo/example/
[23:51] <Luxray5474> I can now access the folder but it still says the user isnt in sudoers
[23:51] <NoIdea> I'm not sure if my messages are appearing, can anyone see this message?
[23:51] <Luxray5474> yes
[23:52] <rorqual> Yes, NoIdea.
[23:52] <rorqual> Your last message appeared as well, but nothing before.
[23:52] <NoIdea> Good, right.
[23:53] <wreo> Luxray5474: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sudoers
[23:53] <NoIdea> rorqual, I don't think you were in when I posted the original message, so that explains that.
[23:53] <Luxray5474> oh i got it now thanks
[23:54] <wreo> oh ok, great
[23:54] <Luxray5474> atleast i think..
[23:54] <jada> I will be testing Lenovo x230 laptop today that I want to purchase from craigslist. I want to create bootable USB stick with Ubuntu to try it out. Would you recommend any specific version/configuration that would be most likely to boot right away with no problems?
[23:54] <jada> like EFI/noEFI, live-cd vs others etc.
[23:54] <wreo> do sudo echo "test", if that works you're probably good
[23:55] <Luxray5474> still nope lol
[23:55] <rorqual> MATE?
[23:55] <NoIdea> I've got a problem with system tray menus not working in Trusty.  Anyone know about this/know a way round it?
[23:55] <NoIdea> Or does anyone know where I can file bug reports for Trusty?  I'm pretty sure this problem is a recent development, so if they broke something they need to know.
[23:55] <wreo> do 'visudo' as root and see if the group name is sudo or something else
[23:55] <Luxray5474> I re-logged in into the account and it works now, thanks :D
[23:56] <wreo> glad it works :)
[23:56] <oerheks> jada, it should work, http://www.marcsaric.de/index.php/Ubuntu_16.04_LTS_on_Lenovo_Thinkpad_x230 but needs a little work to get wifi going
[23:57] <jada> I just want to make sure that it boots fine and that spec is right, like CPU/SSD model/size etc.
[23:57] <jada> I would think wifi is hard to break, so even if I don't get wifi working right on the spot, I can buy it and make it work at home
[23:57] <oerheks> sure
[23:57] <NoIdea> Well, got to go.  Never mind :-P
[23:58] <jada> oerheks thanks
[23:58] <oerheks> all you need is to enter the bios, so it is not locked
[23:58] <oerheks> and that bios info should do fine
[23:58] <jada> oerheks that's right, I didn't think about checking BIOS
[23:59] <oerheks> but do boot it, to see screen damages