[02:13] <ubptgbot> AimanFO was added by: AimanFO
[02:27] <ubptgbot> distrojunkie was added by: distrojunkie
 (Photo, 1080x1920) https://irc.ubports.com/B6kLygkc.png
 Hey guys, is it ok the battery of my nexus 5 drain so much during the night?
 I left it about 90% with mobile data and wifi off, no apps opened and this morning it's 38%!!! The only thing I thought is that I'm in roaming and could be bad for the battery, but the nights before it doesn't drain so much
 that's kinda usual on Nexus 5, there's an open issue about it and a possible cause
 try running sudo pkill -9 hciattach
 the drain is ~20% for me but after using this command, it's 3-10% only
 What does this command do?
 not sure though what's the impact of killing that process, bluetooh might stop working?
 kills the hciattach process
 Yes sure, but I mean: What does this process do? :-)
 iirc hciattach is basically the link between bluetooth hardware to the os' bluetooth stack
 ^ like I said, I don't know LOL, search the issues in github...I'm kinda lazy right now coz I'm on my phone 😅
 @dohniks, Here you go :) … https://github.com/ubports/ubuntu-touch/issues/701 … https://github.com/ubports/ubuntu-touch/issues/700
 nice
 is the proot error the only entry in the log?
 if so, please clarify in the issue, if not, please attach
 @mymike00, Is that the new app to design rollercoasters? 😆
 On a serious note, that's pretty similar to what I see on my N5 altought is less pronounced since I installed a new battery
 [Edit] On a serious note, that's pretty similar to what I see on my N5 althought is less pronounced since I installed a new battery
 @advocatux, yep, but still in development 😁
 😂
 @advocatux, yeah, I was thinking about taking a new battery... but the thing is that it's the first night I had so much drain, all the days before I had -20% max per night 😢
 What changed that night? Maybe on roaming mode is calling the antennas more frequently?
 I'm in roaming for about 2 weeks...
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/Zi2xi3cI.mp4
 @mymike00, Xenial or vivid
 @mymike00, [Edit] Xenial or vivid?
 https://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2546645 (get the link from the forum https://forums.ubports.com/topic/358/nexus-5-hammerhead-battery-boost-disable-auto-rotate-reboot-for-slower-drain ) says that could be apps that don't shut down sensors after finished using it. … now I think the app is https://github.com/mymike00
[06:18] <ubptgbot> /ActivityTracker (forked by me, and I'm the actual dev) because if I try to use it for the seond time (it create gps tracks) the position switch doesn't work very well anymore and I have to reboot the phone...
 @malditobastardo, vivid
 [Edit] https://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2546645 (get the link from the forum https://forums.ubports.com/topic/358/nexus-5-hammerhead-battery-boost-disable-auto-rotate-reboot-for-slower-drain ) says that could be apps that don't shut down sensors after finished using it. … now I think the app is https://github.com/m
[06:18] <ubptgbot> ymike00/ActivityTracker (forked by me, and I'm the actual dev) because if I try to use it for the seond time (it create gps tracks) the position switch doesn't work very well anymore and I have to reboot the phone... … is it possible?
 try with killing hciattach as suggested before
 for me it worked
 now in xenial it seems like that was fixed
 @malditobastardo, but after that can I still use bluetooth?
 hmm no, you have to reboot the phone in order to use bt again
 but you can do that before going to sleep to avoid the huge battery drain when sleeping
 ok, I'll try tonight, thank you all!
 @mymike00 have you tried to put the phone on airplane mode at night?
 not yet, I could also have a try with that 👍🏻
 :)
 I can confirm, that libertine works (somewhat) on Bq M10 with 16.04
 Firefox reports: "Your Firefox profile cannot be loaded. It may be missing or inaccessible." and crashes, but GIMP loaded and works
 I had no luck with Libertine in vivid.  I had to sneak in the puritine click package someone slipped me back when I was just using my Nexus 5!
 And or Nexus 7.
 where did you get stuck?
 It aborts somewhere around setting up some xorg packages, about 3 apt-gets in.
 disk space maybe?
 Not possible.  Fresh flash, 5.3 GB free.
 not sure where the disk space is claimed. if it's on the system partition, it will be limited
 Almost certainly in the user partition, unless there's some kind of symlink.
 which guide did you follow. the ubports docs one, or the ubuntu wiki?
 The UBports one.
 A combination of knowing xenial is coming up quickly and wanting to reflash the tablet with the original image from Bq (also not workign out for me) resulted in me not spending a lot of time working on it.  (I'm using a frieza device.)
 [Edit] A combination of knowing xenial is coming up quickly and wanting to reflash the tablet with the original image from Bq (also not working out for me) resulted in me not spending a lot of time working on it.  (I'm using a frieza device.)
 you could try the ubuntu wiki's instruction. it includes installing libertine with apt, which just might add something you could be missing. it at least installs the gui app so you can manage apps and containers in that.
 Hm, I just have the OpenStore's scope, which seems to work.
 If it's still not working somehow once xenial's released, I'll spend some real tiem with it.  (I know the best time is now with the rc, but I don't have the time to keep flashing over and over, and xenial is missing a lot of apps.)
 Man, the terminal app on Xenial is awesome!
 Is it?
 such an improvement over an already great app
 it's a fullblown terminal with everything necessary
 I would use it on desktop
 Easy to use tabs, splitting windows horizontally and vertically, good aesthetics
 (Photo, 1920x1200) https://irc.ubports.com/yFAq2vjE.png
 @nhaines, it is
 that's in windowed mode right? … transparency doesn't work in staged mode … and hell yeah, the new terminal is awesome :)
 Yeah, in staged mode I often have this problem, where the touch doesn't work on right side of the screen
 apart from the top panel
 so I always run in windowed
 I noticed a strange behaviour in libertine though. Applications open a new window whenever there's a menu option unrolled
 IE, if I click on File menu in Gimp, instead of just showing the File menu options it opens a new fullscreen window
 with the options
 Hmm... damn, not enough space in root to install byobu :(
 I wonder what can I remove without crippling my system.
 @tylnesh, interesting. seems there has been some tweaking with window classes? what does it do with dialogies? do open/save/print dialogues get their own window too?
 yep
 everything
 and when I click on Window->Single window mode in Gimp, it spawns another (incomplete) window
 and when launching GIMP with SWM enabled, it opens a full window in the foreground and two windows (layers and controls) in the background
 hmm I think I know what are you refering to.. it happens the same with Unity8 on desktop
 in xenial every new window spawned by a libertine app opens in the same window (start gnome-terminal, type `gedit` > gedit overlaps terminal instead of getting it's own windows
 [Edit] in xenial every new window spawned by a libertine app opens in the same window (start gnome-terminal, type `gedit` > gedit overlaps terminal instead of getting it's own windows)
 yes
 it has something to do with mir
 and if the app is qt bla bla, technica stuff that I dont understand
 so we go from everything in the same window to EVERYTHING in a new window 😆
 but the same thing you can experience on desktop
 @YougoChats, Yep :D
 every xmir app gets it's own xsession inside a mir window. some sanity must be achieved about what items spawned by the xmir app must stay in the same xsession (menus, toolbars, tooltips etc) and which ones must get their own xsession (floating toolbars like gimp's, dialogues, new apps spawned by the original app, like starting f
[07:50] <ubptgbot> rom terminal, or a browser tab detached to or opened in a new window)
 that happens with qt apps that are natively run in mir … menus open in a new window
 but qt apps in libertine too?
 i have vlc in libertine on vivid and it opens menus in its main window
 i haven't really used libertine that much … I'm a rebel...I install apps directly LOL
 but yeah, on vivid xmir, menus work fine
 (Sticker, 512x512) https://irc.ubports.com/FBAhwtTC.webp
[09:07] <ubptgbot> hassan_mohamad was added by: hassan_mohamad
[09:09] <ubptgbot> italian00 was added by: italian00
 Hi all!
[09:19] <ubptgbot> iamr00t was added by: iamr00t
 @Javacookies, Can you write down the instructions for installing apps directly??
 @Javacookies, [Edit] Can you write down the instructions for installing apps directly?
 I can't, it's not advisable! 😁
 Hi @italian00 & @iamr00t , welcome!!! Take a look to https://ubports.com/telegram-welcome to get you started !! There are  language focus groups too.
 The advice can be obtained quite straigtforwardly via search engines, if you take responsibility for the risks.
 LOL … actually it's quite easy to install, just make you filesystem writable then you can install app via apt
 creating app launchers would need a couple of steps though
 and you only have 2GB of space by default and mostly taken up already
[09:49] <ubptgbot> javic was added by: javic
 @javic, Hello Javic … You can read more about UBports here … https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome … What is your first language?
 Hello, Spanish
 Hola :)
 @Stereofont, English
 Ok Wiz
 Ok Lionelb
 Hola advocatux
 Hi :) You can join us in the Spanish group too 👍
[11:00] <ubptgbot> aryanpathania was added by: aryanpathania
 @advocatux, Ok
 javic also if you set an alias in your Telegram account it's easier to ping you
 @aryanpathania, Hi Aryan, welcome! Take a look to https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome :)
 @advocatux, Hi
 👋
 @Javacookies, Ah, yeah, right.. I do this as well for byobu and other utilities. Didn't know you can do it with X apps, though. And in Xenial, there ain't enough space for even byobu on the root partition
 @Javacookies, Don't worry.. back on vivid, I changed part of my sources to point to artful...
[11:06] <ubptgbot> saarja was added by: saarja
 Somehow, the device did not burst into flames
 Bye. I go to spanish group. 👋🏻
 Thanks!!!
 Welcome @saarja !!! Check out this to get you started! If you have any questions, feel free to ask here or in our Welcome and Install room! https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome
[11:51] <ubptgbot> Anto Josu was added by: Anto Josu
[11:53] <ubptgbot> <Anto Josu> Hi
[11:53] <ubptgbot> <Anto Josu> I would like to know that whether ubuntu touch runs on 512 mb ram
 i don't think that will be a good experience. what device are you talking about?
[11:59] <ubptgbot> <Anto Josu> Gionee P2S
 that device is not supported. you can see which devices are supported on https://devices.ubuntu-touch.io/
 oo
 (Voice, 5s) https://irc.ubports.com/37MgjuCA.oga
 (Photo, 1280x720) https://irc.ubports.com/rDd0X4d0.png
 @piday72 please, don't spam this group. Next time you'll be banned
 Please add support for Xiaomi Redmi Note 4X, its a very popular phone now.
 Some devs are trying to port these Redmi devices https://github.com/Halium/projectmanagement/issues?utf8=%E2%9C%93&q=is%3Aissue+Redmi but porting it isn't an easy task
 Owh,I see. Hope they succeed soon
 You can read this https://docs.ubports.com/en/latest/porting/introduction.html if you want to get the idea of how complex porting is
 and all the people doing it are volunteers 😉
 @Anto Josu, Some legacy devices run with 1Gb but the threshold for smooth operation seems to be around 1.5Gb
 @Anto Josu, I suggest you to try postmarketOS
 https://www.postmarketos.org/
 it runs ok on devices with 512Mb
[13:04] <ubptgbot> John was added by: John
 Hmm, but there are quite a lot of devices here: https://github.com/Halium/halium-devices/tree/halium-7.1/manifests - I've never checked. How is Ubuntu Touch working on Halium? Were all things resolved and should it just work now or are there still some issues?
 @zubozrout, CAF is broken
 and UBports requires building a different boot image (halium-boot)
 but well it got better
 you should look at projectmanagement issues to find out if UT works on that device
 manifests are just trees for the build. for example i built a dream2lte image, but it doesn't even boot yet
 Welcome John !!! Check this put for more about UBports https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome
 @vanyasem, https://github.com/Halium/projectmanagement/issues?q=is%3Aopen+is%3Aissue+label%3APorts
 Any one tried the voice assistant for UT  i saw it in git-hub
 @vanyasem Thanks :)
 take a look at this one for example
 https://github.com/Halium/projectmanagement/issues/28
 it has nice photos in comments
 Cool, even with screenshots to make this more interesting :)
 @vanyasem, except that he won't be able to use it as phone :)
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 @mariogrip @UniversalSuperBox spam
 gtfo spam :D
 ah man, i was so going to cllick that!
 @mariogrip, R u the one in the ubports youtube video
 @John, one of them yeah
 @mariogrip, xD
 @mariogrip, U r doing great job congrats
 @John, Thanks :D :D what video did you watch if i may ask? was it one of the q/a?
 Yea bits of all 30 videos
 @mariogrip, must have been one where your internet was working :D
 @dohbee, ouch :P
 @John, Aweome :D didnt know it was that many videos yet even :D
 feels like we started the q/a just some month ago, not a full year
 *close to a full yeah*
 @mariogrip, In case you're interested, I've seen you for the first time in a Lunduke interview
 Together with Bhushan
 I instantly fell in love
 haha :P me and bhushan is extra qute togheter
 Hey is it possible to install chrome addons on new browser
[14:01] <ZeroPointEnergy> I destroyed (physically) my Aquaris E5 and now I had to reflash my Samsung S7 I used for development with Lineage because I needed a working phone :'(
 destroyed? not just break but destroyed? what did you do?
 @John, not visual ones, no
 but things that hook into the rendering engine you can make work
 does the openstore automatically detect vivid versions of apps and suggest user to update to xenial version if there's available?
 I'm talking about when upgrading to xenial without wiping
 I see many posts that has this topic especially with the openstore app
 No I dont think so ;)
[15:07] <ZeroPointEnergy> YougoChats: It got bent, so the glass broke and the touchscreen is no longer working
[15:10] <ZeroPointEnergy> Not sure if I just should get one of the supported devices or just wait for the librem 5. Also the librem dev kit should soon show up, so at least  I can experiment again. But android is just horrible
 Hi. I tried to update my 16.04 and after reboot freezed like this...
 (Photo, 1280x720) https://irc.ubports.com/D7RlUW5q.png
 (Photo, 1280x720) https://irc.ubports.com/WSHXPTWN.png
 What may i do?
[15:14] <ubptgbot> ClayFM was added by: ClayFM
 a random thought, but maybe we could get community-supported MediaTek device that is cheap, currently available to buy, yet has kernel sources? at least it doesn't suffer from CAF issues
[15:23] <ubptgbot> MelodyTheFolf was added by: MelodyTheFolf
 @NotKit, https://forum.xda-developers.com/redmi-note-4/development/rom-lineageos-14-1-xiaomi-redmi-note-4-t3760332
 Redmi 4 note mtk edition maybe?
 no kernel source
 Sony phones have kernel sources avaliable, but... 1. no support 2. sony devices can be a PITA
 How about 1st gen android one?
 https://forum.xda-developers.com/crossdevice-dev/android-one-crossdevice-development-original-android-development/rom-lineageos-14-1-android-one-1st-gen-t3744646
 Welcome @ClayFM & @MelodyTheFolf !!! Check out https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome to get you up to speed
 @VeryOriginalUsername, it's rather old, approximately same hw as BQ Aquaris
 Thank you!
 @Jyoti, Hi Jyoti. Please join https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome
 Bastaaaardo
 I'm waiting, but nothing is happening, the phone was stopped in this image ... I can move between the options but I do not know which option to choose ...
 @Jyoti, If the first one is "Reboot to system" or something like that what about that?
 I tried this option, rebooted and after that, when i try to update, start to reboot and again shows this image
 So you can boot the system normally but just can't update?
 @zubozrout, Yes, the first option is to reboot
 @zubozrout, Yes, i guess is the only problem. Can boot, cant update
 Maybe i will just boot and not update for npw
 Jyoti: … Maybe i will just boot and not update for now
 Well that sounds odd. But unfortunately can't test this as I don'ŧ have a BQ device. Are you on devel channel?
 [Edit] Well that sounds odd. But unfortunately can't test this as I don't have a BQ device. Are you on devel channel?
 It could be that today's build is somehow broken for frieza - it does work on arale though. But devel can break any time so maybe next build will install normally.
 @zubozrout, Ok. Thanks you anyway
 @zubozrout, I mean, thank you  :-)
 Hi
 Any news about Decko for xenial ?
 Work In Progress :)
 ok
 well, trying again to create a xenial container on my n4, after patching libertine
 ubports tr not open :(
 @ankaos, it's open. but there's only 14 members in it, and you just joined and asked something. give it time
[17:43] <ubptgbot> bapakmuu was added by: bapakmuu
 Welcome bapakmuu !!! Check out this to get you started! If you have any questions, feel free to ask here or in our Welcome and Install room! https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome
 @mariogrip hmm, can we maybe rebuild all the device kernels without the seccomp backports?
 @dohbee, patching?
 @dohniks, patched to not add the overlay ppa, and to add the ubports repo instead
 ok
 Hi all. A question: Can I change 16.04  repository from devel to RC without lost anything? Is it advisable? Thanks
 @RoccoOPO yes, you can do it without any problem. About if it is advisable or not to do it, it just depends on what you want to do :)
 Of course remaining in develop mode I have the system always updated...
 devel updates daily (more or less) and RC does it weekly
 OK, thanks
 👍
 Hi all, how can I build and test the https://github.com/ubports/keyboard-component ? Thanks
[20:50] <ubptgbot> Domi was added by: Domi
 Welcome Domi !!! Check out https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome to get you started, we have language groups available.
 My Pro 5 took a full body dip in water this morning :(
 I dried it out in a pot of rice for 9 hours. Turning it on, I noticed:
 a) The SIM wasn't responding but after switching slots back and forth and trying my dad's card, it seems to be back now.
 Rice is generally too moist to do anything but make things really messy
 b) The selfie cam is foggy, hopefully that dries out.
 this is why I keep silica gel packets around
 c) The headphone port isn't responding to the plug going in or out. By default it thinks headphones are always plugged in. I can adjust outputs manually in Pavucontrol on Libertine, but this could be rather inconvenient e.g. for incoming calls.
 I took the SIM slot out to fully expose everything and now I'm drying it out again overnight.
 What would you guys recommend for drying if not rice? I don't have silica gel packets although I do see some at work from time to time.
 hair dryer + alcohol
 Alcohol, how?
 I drink alcohol
 alcohol is a dessicant. so like, rubbing alcohol or such to suck up the water, and hair dryer to evaporate it all
 On c), is this a known outcome for water damaged devices? Can it be corrected if the water fully dries out, or should I assume the circuitry is damaged for good?
 I don't have rubbing alcohol to hand, I'm not sure about a hair dryer.
 "depends"
 Make backup now that you still can. Most likely that phone is going to die. So do it until is too late
 [Edit] Make backup now that you still can. Most likely that phone is going to die. So do it now until is too late
 Sure, I'll do that in the morning after this rice bath.
 The SD card is mostly backed up and it's out of the phone so I can get the rest of it tonight.
 😺👍
 I will say my old HTC M7 took a dunk and it was significantly damaged before that but after IDK if it had any more signifcant effect. Really all I noticed was a cluster of dead pixels in one corner. Let's try to be optimistic.
 *significant
 SIlica gel packets are made up of small beads, right? Would one need a large number of packets to submerge the phone?
 really the water itself isn't the problem. it's the minerals in the water, which will be left behind after it evaporates
 disassembly + alcohol/sonic bath + hair dryer is the best if you can. but disassembling phones is pretty hard
 depends on the phone, heh
 The most important action is to cut off the supply (battery out). Then is time to dry.
 If the water had salt it's better bath it in clean water. If it hadn't better dry it.
 Don't have a sonic drier to hand either.
 In teardown videos, they seem to use some sort of magnetic device to raise the LCD screen from the device. Would that be another requirement?
 Put it into a no frost fridge.
 How does one determine if you own a no frost fridge?
 When you buy it. They sell it.
 It removes the water with air.
 My father bought a new fridge/freezer combo recently. I'd have to check the model.
 Perhaps. He should know it because it dries the things. You have to cover them.
 My guess is it's just a conventional model. Maybe I should take it to a professional teardown and repair service.
 It will be in the manual.
 Forget it.
 I mean, take the phone in for repair.
 May be.
 But I think of two options: If when it is dry it go, ok. Else buy another one.
 [Edit] But I think of two options: If when it is dry it goes, ok. Else buy another one.
 Yep, in the worst case scenario I will back up everything, sell it as a (mildly) damaged phone on eBay and order a new Pro 5 in time for Xenial.
 Ok. We expect it'll be ok tomorrow.
 Asking on Facebook for recommendations for phone repair. There's a Hacklab which might have all the required tools and would probably do it for free and/or let me take the reins.
 In the city of Edinburgh, I mean.