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jameshrobert_ancell: for the issue of gnome-software claiming to handle snap URIs on installs without the plugin, one option would be for it to install separate desktop files for each URI scheme handler (using NoDisplay=true so they don't clutter menus)02:01
jameshrobert_ancell: that way the scheme handlers could be packaged with the plugins on distros that split it into multiple binary packages02:02
VoltronDikzHi guys. How yall doing?02:38
VoltronDikzQuick question. I have a 18.04 iso.02:38
jameshoh?02:39
VoltronDikzWhat am I running? kde, Gnome, ??? Am confused and trying to config some Icons but I can't find a way to do so.02:39
jameshVoltronDikz: the default desktop is GNOME 3 with an extension to show an icon dock on the left.02:40
jamesh(basically to give something that should be familiar to both people coming from Unity 7 in previous releases, and people who have used other GNOME 3 based desktops)02:41
VoltronDikzI am trying to resize (make way smaller) the icons on the center page when clicking show programs.03:16
VoltronDikzI am not talking about the ICON DOCK.03:16
VoltronDikzCould not find 1 good and simple way to resize and compact to have more apps showing.03:16
VoltronDikzAnybody?03:16
jameshVoltronDikz: I don't know if there is a preference for that.  Maybe there is an extension that can help with that at https://extensions.gnome.org/ ?03:23
dufluVoltronDikz, having fixed a bug in that area recently I think it is hard coded :(  But yes extensions can change some things that are otherwise hard coded03:24
duflu(https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gnome-shell/merge_requests/90)03:24
gitlab-botGNOME bug (Merge request) 90 in gnome-shell "Display full application names under their icons" (comments: 9) [Closed]03:24
dufluHmm, did I break my theming in cosmic or did an update?03:28
dufluMy fault. 'dconf reset -f /org/gnome/' to the rescue.03:31
VoltronDikzduflu so basically no way to resize / schrink those icons in middle of screen right?03:33
dufluVoltronDikz, it might be possible using an extension. Because the high-level design of the shell (and extensions) is all in JavaScript and it's easy to tinker. But no I can't find any proper configuration option03:34
didrocksgood morning05:16
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dufluMorning didrocks05:39
didrockshey duflu05:42
jibelGood morning every one05:45
dufluMorning jibel05:46
didrockssalut jibel05:47
jameshhi didrocks, jibel05:47
didrockshey jamesh05:47
dufluOh, hi jamesh :)06:10
dufluAnd hi bschaefer, seb12806:10
seb128hey duflu, how are you?06:11
seb128good morning desktopers06:11
dufluDoing OK seb128. You?06:11
seb128I'm fine, need some coffee though!06:11
didrockssalut seb128!06:13
seb128lut didrocks07:42
alexarnaudGood morning all07:54
willcookemorning07:55
thumpermorning willcooke07:56
willcookehey thumper, how goes?07:58
seb128hey alexarnaud willcooke07:58
thumperwillcooke: pretty good07:58
thumperas in I'm pretty good at procrastinating doing performance reviews07:59
willcookethumper, ha!  It does drag on.  Every year I say to myself "If I just made some notes once a month then reviews would be easy"08:00
willcookenever happens08:00
thumperhah08:00
thumperyeah08:00
didrockshey willcooke, thumper08:00
thumpero/ didrocks, seb12808:01
Laneyhey08:01
didrocksmorning Laney08:01
didrocksthumper: nice tweet! +108:01
didrocks(pun intended)08:02
thumperhah08:02
* thumper is going through CVs again08:02
dufluMorning willcooke08:02
dufluEvening thumper08:03
dufluMorning Laney08:03
thumpero/ duflu08:08
Laneyhappy solstice08:08
seb128hey Laney, ah indeed, happy summer day!08:17
Laneyhey seb12808:20
Laneylook at it negatively - all downhill from here towards winter08:20
* duflu looks uphill08:23
seb128and winter is not downhill, it's time to drink hot beverages next to the fire08:24
seb128which is nice as well :)08:24
Laneydamn it08:24
Laneyyou win this one, positivitiy08:24
dufluThat's true. It's interesting Europeans celebrate winter outdoors more than those of us with warmer winters08:24
dufluindoors and outdoors08:25
duflumarkets and all08:25
Laneyneed less incentive to get people to go out?08:28
willcooke186 days to Christmas08:31
Laneythat sound quite short08:33
Laneybetter get shopping08:33
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xnoxwillcooke, I❤🎄09:39
willcooke:DD09:39
Laneytjaalton: do you like https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/VPjjHq2Qcy/ ?10:30
Laneyjust been reviewing that for Marco, seems good to me, if you like it I'll upload to the silo10:30
Laney& for the SRUs with adjusted versions10:30
tjaaltonLaney: yep, looks good to me10:31
Laney👍10:31
tjaaltonI'll commit it to diff10:32
tjaaltonerr10:32
tjaaltongit10:32
Laneythx10:33
LaneyI can make branches if that's good for you10:33
tjaaltonsure10:33
tjaaltoncould migrate that out of salsa10:33
Laneyno bother to me10:33
Laneygimme a bit, will put up MRs10:34
seb128Nafallo, could you reply on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-online-accounts/+bug/1773213 ?11:08
ubot5Ubuntu bug 1773213 in gnome-online-accounts (Ubuntu Bionic) "U1 login dialog missing link to the privacy policy" [High,Fix committed]11:08
Nafalloseb128: sure.11:10
seb128thx11:10
NafalloI thought that was obvious... but yeah :-P11:11
Nafalloseb128: morning btw ;-)11:12
seb128good morning indeed :)11:12
seb128I think the SRU team started requesting the version because some users did test wrong versions and gave confusing feedback about fixes not working11:13
seb128it makes easier to tell them "no, you are not using the SRU version" :)11:13
Nafallooooh. lastpass-cli finally landed in -updates.11:16
Nafallomy first upload in YEARS accepted :-)11:16
seb128jibel, looks like robert_ancell update bug #1768744 so maybe you can verify that one now?11:17
seb128Nafallo, congrats :)11:17
ubot5bug 1768744 in gnome-initial-setup (Ubuntu Bionic) "Crash when unable to get installed snaps" [Medium,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/176874411:17
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seb128jibel, bug #1766277 updated as well if you can test11:42
ubot5bug 1766277 in gnome-initial-setup (Ubuntu Bionic) "Ubuntu changes graphic is not translatable" [Medium,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/176627711:42
Laneyaha11:58
MirvI updated ubuntu-software on my xenial work laptop and at least now it crashes every time on startup for me personally (sorry, not sure what was the situation earlier, I usually use synaptic but decided to try gnome-software now after I saw it updated). if you have the permission, you should quickly check if it seems worrying at https://errors.ubuntu.com/oops/b1fd9ff8-7549-11e8-bea3-fa163eec78fa (I11:58
Mirvdon't have permission)11:58
Mirvwould ping robert_ancell but he's not around atm11:58
MirvI did reboot too11:58
jibelseb128, sure thing. I'll finish the verification.12:01
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Laneytjaalton: https://salsa.debian.org/laney/xorg.git ubuntu ubuntu-xenial ubuntu-artful ubuntu-bionic12:50
LaneyI couldn't find a commit that matched what's in artful atm so I made one up12:50
tjaaltonLaney: ah, I assumed you'd have created them on lp :P but this works too12:51
Laneynice fork button on salsa :P12:52
* Laney checks debdiffs and then uploads to the silo12:52
willcookeMirv, thanks for the info.  Seems to work fine on a Xenial VM, so I don't think it's a huge issue, but I'll email Robert and get him to check oit13:05
willcookeit13:05
Laney(force pushed again to move an echo)13:09
tjaaltonLaney: oh, looks like I have ubuntu-artful locally.. anyway, did you create a merge request?13:16
TrevinhoLaney: as per "local", I knew about... But, it's also true that debian' sh supports it and that many debian scripts use it. Including the ones mentioned in the debian wiki I was using before for removing the conffiles, so I decided to keep it13:17
Trevinhogrep "local " /var/lib/dpkg/info/* | wc -l => 38013:18
Trevinhohere13:18
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seb128willcooke, Mirv, that looks like the same than https://bugzilla.opensuse.org/show_bug.cgi?id=974806 which was fixed upstream in 2016 but not in the 3.20 serie13:36
ubot5bugzilla.opensuse.org bug 974806 in GNOME "Gnome-software crashes every time (after enabling of a certain obs repository)" [Critical,Resolved: fixed]13:36
seb128there are 3k reports of that issue on 16.04 which is not very high13:36
seb128the e.u.c report also suggests it's indeed fixed in > 3.2013:37
seb128jibel, thanks for the gnome-software SRU verifications!14:11
Laneytjaalton: nah, do you want one? I was hoping you'd just pull my branches :P14:29
seb128tjaalton, I guess fixing the libinput build is on your todolist? it seems that the .symbols needs and update which should be easy?14:45
seb128Trevinho, hey, what's the status of gnome-shell 3.28.2?14:51
Trevinhoseb128: it's waiting review14:52
seb128where and who did you ask about reviewing it?14:52
Trevinhohttps://code.launchpad.net/~3v1n0/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell/+git/gnome-shell/14:52
Trevinhodidrocks is going to take that14:52
seb128Trevinho, what about the bionic SRU?14:53
Trevinhoseb128: didrocks was saying that we'll just sync them14:54
Trevinhoas there's no actual fork in between the two14:54
seb128sync?14:54
Trevinhoso far14:54
seb128ah14:54
TrevinhoI mean push that one on bionic too14:54
Trevinhowithout branching14:54
TrevinhoI did a bionic branch first, but so we decided14:54
seb128Marco, marco, maaarrccooo14:55
Trevinhowhat?14:55
seb128Trevinho, none of the bugs listed in the changelog are SRU compliant atm, some have testcases but they all need proper "impact/test case/regression potential" sections14:56
seb128also some of the cherry pick have no bugs associated14:57
didrockswell, to be exact, I'm waiting for the latest correct edits on the wiki page14:57
seb128unsure the SRU team is going to like that14:57
didrocksthen, replay on nautilus14:57
didrocksthen replay on the gnome-shell branch14:57
didrocksand I can review14:57
seb128nautilus?14:57
didrocksyeah14:57
seb128why is nautilus blocked our gnome-shell SRU?14:57
didrocksbecause there is the case that wasn't taken if we merge bzr branch14:57
* seb128 got lost14:57
didrocksI want the instructions to be correct14:57
didrocksright now, they aren't14:57
didrocksbecause there are cases you have unreleased commits in bzr14:58
seb128k, I get that part14:58
didrockswhich wasn't taken into account and may impact the import procedure14:58
seb128is nautilus another SRU/discussion?14:58
seb128with similar issues14:58
seb128sorry I just got lost :p14:58
Trevinhoseb128: bugs, I'm updating them once we are ok wit the review, I won't do that earlier14:58
didrocks*shrugh* basically, right now, it's now pending on me14:59
didrockscontrary to what was left thinking to you14:59
didrocksI'm only talking about the git branch15:00
seb128Trevinho, maybe linking that update/SRU to the git conversion wasn't a smart idea15:01
seb128Trevinho, we are delaying fixes by weeks just because internal workflow issues15:02
seb128we should have done them with the etablished tools15:02
seb128out of the way15:02
seb128then iterated with the vcs and tweaks when there was no real world issues being taken hostage15:02
Trevinhoseb128: eh, well it would have come one day or another...15:02
seb128Trevinho, read what I wrote?15:02
seb128it can come15:03
seb128not delay LTS fixes15:03
seb128come on, you can agree it makes sense to not delay fixes when we can land the SRU and then deal with the vcs problems no?15:03
Trevinhoit wasn't my expectation15:03
seb128rather than the other way around15:03
Trevinhoyeah, sure...15:03
Trevinhodidrocks: can we move on with gnome-shell itself first? As that is following anyway the process already. So we can start with the content first. Then update the others15:06
didrocksTrevinho: have you changed the tag and commit message?15:06
didrocksI doubt, the branch hasn't been updated for 15h15:07
Trevinhotag was there15:07
didrockscommit message? and you redid with our latest changes?15:07
didrocksbecause the "it shouldn't imapct", remember that you thought that in the order you wrote for replaying the history :p15:07
didrocksso theory is nice15:08
didrockschecking with following the steps is better15:08
didrocksas seb128 told anyway, no bug is SRU compliant, so, as a first step, they should be converted15:10
seb128Trevinho, right, no reason that the bugs need to come after the Vcs is ready15:11
didrocksif you want to unrelate the 2, get a .dsc ready for cosmic and bionic15:11
didrocksget that sponsored15:11
didrocksthen, you can replay that with commits in the Vcs15:12
didrocksyou can even add them to the bzr VCS to test your conversion :p15:12
Trevinhothis is just a bit loosing time15:12
didrocksall those bzr history change is a lost of time IMHO15:13
seb128you mean that week wasted on trying to deal with Vcs tweaks?15:13
didrocksbut I've already stated that and didn't convince you apparently15:13
Trevinhoit's not the only thing I'm doing, but I want to follow things in a logical order that allows to keep what we did. But anyway, the process itself it's not lost time imho. it's more going back and forth on bzr stuff again when a branch is ready and we can work on that, if content needs fixes15:15
Trevinhoalso, on mutter side... I prepared also a branch, but in that case we can be in sync with debian.. So can we do that? Our *ubuntu* package is just a change of mine which is already in debian anyway15:16
Trevinhoanyway, i can update the bzr too if you want, since anyway having the git branch around helps in having that quickly too15:17
Trevinhoseb128: and bugs, I checked again all the ones I cherry-picked from upstream  are in gnome-2-28 branch so will be next .3. Then there ar two patches which have no unbutu bug attached, should I create them? As they are already upstream, so I though it was something not eneded15:18
Laneyyou don't need explicit SRU verification for patches coming from the point release15:20
Laneyfor cherry picks or downstream patches, you do15:20
Laney(that's a gnome specific policy)15:20
Trevinho"SRU verification for patches coming from the point release" so this doesn't applies to point-release-branches?15:22
Laneyno15:22
Laneythat combination hasn't been blessed by upstream yet15:22
Laneyso we need to test it15:22
Trevinhomh, I see15:23
Trevinholet me decide weather drop them or not then15:23
Laneyit's OK to include them, they just need a proper SRU bug15:24
Trevinhoyes, sure15:25
Trevinhothat's the thing, I want to see that15:25
Laneyin terms of workflow arguments15:25
seb128Trevinho, what Iain said15:25
Laneydidrock_s or whoever is sponsoring can build the dsc out of git currently and sponsor it as if it has no VCS for now15:26
Laneythen if there's any delta required that can be resolved as another commit15:26
Laneylike sidestep the argument to get the upload done15:26
Laneywithout having to go redo on bzr or whatever15:26
Trevinhoyeah, that would be the way... And since I can't do that, it's not something I can go forward.. It's up to one of you guys to pick the content, review and push to ubuntu, as it's a step I can't do. And vcs could or could not match it.15:28
seb128Laney, if that doesn't get sorted out tomorrow then the SRU might be a good thing for you and Marco to resolve at the sun sprint :)15:28
TrevinhoI mean I got the content ready quickly, true that i invested some time in the infrastructure too, but it's something I care, and that didn't cause the content to differ.15:29
Trevinho"content" as debian/*15:29
Trevinhoand that was pushed last friday15:29
Laneyseb128: Not sure I could help any more than didrock____s  who already has the context on this, but OK if necessary ...15:30
seb128Laney, Didier has been reviewing the git side, he didn't look at it from a SRU perspective from what he said15:32
seb128or sponsoring15:32
Laneyit was going to be him and Olivier working on it originally15:32
Laneybefore all this business15:32
Laneyanyway whatever, but it's probably not going to be tomorrow for me15:32
seb128right15:33
seb128no worry15:33
didrocksright, then, trevhino told he has done it :p15:33
didrockswhich is where the delay started15:33
didrocksI can have a look tomorrow at it, not today for sure15:33
seb128well, let's see if Didier feels like doing the sponsoring this week, if not we can see on monday who feels like doing it15:33
didrocksif the bug follow the SRU process at least15:34
Laneyyeah sry, I thought you were signed up to review the SRU too, maybe my mistake15:34
seb128didrocks, Laney, Trevinho, thanks guys :)15:34
* seb128 steps out for a bit15:34
seb128bbl15:34
Trevinhook, I've also go to buy stuff15:34
didrocksTrevinho: so, let's forget about the git side, ensure all bugs follow SRU and email me/share with me a debdiff for cosmic and bionic15:34
Trevinhoit looks like you guys don't need anything special as there was nothing more in the shopping list, right (Laney,seb128)?15:35
Trevinhodidrocks: ok, I mean if you've time check also the git side of things, but no need to hurry for that15:36
didrocksTrevinho: I will as said once you have replayed all steps on a new virgin branch15:39
didrocksto ensure nothing is missing15:39
didrocksand that it has enw commit messages15:39
didrocks(which isn't the case right now)15:39
didrocksTrevinho: so, if the branch is ready for tomorrow, for both cosmic and bionic, this is enough15:39
Trevinhodidrocks: it was a virgin one the one where I replayed all the things.... It was last night though15:40
Trevinhoshould I do that again for real? Not that it would take time, but it's just the same :)15:41
didrocksTrevinho: it won't be the same, we changed at least the commit message, didn't we?15:41
didrocksas told for the 3rd time here15:41
Trevinhowell, that is just an amend xD15:42
Trevinhoor rebase15:42
didrocksah, you didn't change it15:42
didrocksdespite my suggestion :/15:42
didrocksyeah, but I want to replay as we reshuffled15:42
didrocksplease take my suggestion about changing the commit message into account15:42
didrocks"debian subtree" is confusing and undeed, just change it by "branch"15:43
didrocksuneeded15:44
Trevinhodidrocks: didn't I on the wiki? :o15:45
didrocksor my F5 is broken15:46
didrocksgit commit -m "Importing lp:~ubuntu-desktop/gnome-control-center/ubuntu debian subtree"15:46
didrocksthis is what I still see15:47
* didrocks hopes everyone will run git gc --aggressive on branches and not miss that step, or the git clone will take forever for everyone15:47
Trevinho--agressive!15:48
didrocksTrevinho: there is no -a to add to that commit?15:48
didrocksgit read-tree won't restore debian/ dir?15:49
didrocksso you need to restage them, correct?15:49
Trevinhono, theres' no need for that15:50
Trevinhogit read-tree will do it15:50
didrocksdidn't know it was staging them15:51
Trevinhodidrocks: wasn't "Importing lp:~ubuntu-desktop/gnome-control-center/ubuntu debian subtree" the one you proposed?15:51
didrocksah right, I was puzzled by the second discussion about 7.15:52
Trevinhoeh, see :D15:52
didrockswhat do you think about changing debian subtree by "branch"?15:52
didrocksin the whole document15:52
Trevinhook that's fine too15:52
TrevinhoI mean no to be too technical15:52
Trevinhoeventuall it's not needed to konw that15:52
Trevinhoknow*15:52
Trevinhook branch it is now15:53
didrockscan I f5?15:53
Trevinhoif it works :-D15:53
* didrocks tries this intriguing tech15:54
didrockshum15:55
didrocks7. Modify or create gbp.conf containing:15:55
didrocksthen 7a if you…15:55
didrocksthis is not what we discussed?15:55
didrocksI think we should have: 8. If you imported bzr ubuntu history15:55
didrocks8a. If you add pending changes in bzr after release:15:56
didrocks8b. Remove the temporary ubuntu-bzr remote15:56
Trevinhoah, it was misleading the log15:56
didrocksyeah, only spotted it in seeing the whole page as well15:56
didrocksbut clearly, step 4 and 8 now are "if you want to import bzr history"15:56
didrocks(then we have 4a, 4b…4f and 8a, 8b)15:57
Trevinhok15:57
didrocks"and I hope you did"15:57
didrocksas told, I tried to remove all "I" in tech docs and personal opinions :p15:58
Trevinhoirc reviews are the worst thing in the world :-D15:58
didrocksthat was on the logs ;)15:58
didrocksyeah, should be an etherpad15:58
Trevinhoyes, but we talk a lot :-D15:58
TrevinhoI mean it's a wiki already15:58
didrocksyeah, but no parallel writes/comments15:59
Trevinhoyou can fix things too as in writing is normally faster than at 4 hands15:59
Trevinhoyep, etherpad next time15:59
didrocksbut there are locks…15:59
didrocksand TBH, you wanted to have those steps15:59
TrevinhoI know , i know15:59
didrocksunfair to ask other to fix them afterwards15:59
Trevinhothe wording I mean15:59
didrocksso, once done16:00
didrocksreally, reprepare a gnome-shell to valid all steps once again16:00
didrocks(you have no idea how many times I did previously for g-c-c, to revalidate I didn't miss anything)16:00
didrocksand create a maintenance branch for bionic (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/git#Create_a_maintenance_branch)16:00
didrocksthen, I'll review that16:00
didrockssounds ok?16:01
Trevinhoah, so you want the bionic now?16:01
Trevinhok16:01
didrockswell16:01
didrocksas we are going to upload16:01
Trevinhowe're not goiung to diverge yet16:01
Trevinhoyeah that was my point16:01
Trevinhoof having different changelogs16:01
didrocksyes, but SRU team won't copy your pacakge16:02
didrocksso, we need to have different changelog16:02
didrocksprepare master for the cosmic upoad16:02
didrocksprepare master for the cosmic upload16:02
TrevinhoI'll do a debdiff first though16:02
didrocksthen I would say branch with commit -116:02
didrockschange gbp.conf16:02
didrocksas in the wiki16:02
didrocksfor bionic16:02
Trevinhoyeah, I read16:02
didrocksI'll review them tomorrow16:03
Trevinhogood16:03
didrocksso if redoing the branches is faster for you than the debdiff, don't bother16:03
Trevinhowell, should be the same16:03
Trevinhobut if we can i'd prefer to do one time only16:04
Trevinhoif you're checking those tomorrow anyway I'm doing this later though16:04
Trevinhoor shops will close16:04
Trevinhootherwise I can do it now, if you're not leaving (but  i guess it's time for you)16:05
didrocksI'm going to step out before the GNOME board meeting16:05
didrocksextra special meeting, thinking my time was almost over with one evening meeting, but no, a second special one, last minute surprise! :)16:05
didrocksso, TBH, I will just attend that meeting now and sign off ;)16:05
Trevinho:)16:05
Trevinhok16:05
Trevinhoso i can send you this so you look at it tomorrow I guess16:06
didrocksyes! :)16:06
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seb128Trevinho, @shopping, I don't, thanks for asking :)16:22
Trevinhowe'd have to go buy stuff anyway during the week maybe16:23
Trevinhobut dinners will be out I guess16:23
LaneyTrevinho: sous vide!16:24
Laneyhttps://wiki.gnome.org/Initiatives/SystemdUser16:57
Laneygoing to start filling that table out tomorrow16:57
Laneyprobably won't be online first thing in the morning, going to be heading to the train16:58
Mirvseb128: willcooke: right, thanks, so not a new bug, I'm just hitting it17:03
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seb128Laney, nice, happy train journey :)17:51
willcookenight all17:53
TrevinhoLaney: I've everything for it... We'll just buy the meat the same day18:39
tjaaltonseb128: huh, somehow built fine here, dpkg-gensymbols only warned about the new symbols18:56
tjaaltonI'll bump it to 1.11.1 too19:02
tjaaltonLaney: well, it's a one click operation to ack (fast-forward) merge requests19:02
tjaaltonbut sure, I'll add a new remote ;)19:03
seb128tjaalton, unsure what's different about the buildd env, but it failed in Debian and Ubuntu ... thanks for fixing :)19:03
tjaaltonyeah I've poked folks to tell me what's wrong :)19:04
seb128tjaalton, do you plan to SRU some 1.10 update? or maybe directly 1.11?19:05
tjaaltonthe last 1.10.x maybe19:05
tjaalton1.11 changes things too much for sru I think19:06
seb128k, makes sense19:09

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