[00:00] <oerheks> i disagree with your negative attitude
[00:01] <linux_noob4> by that I mean *how* it's going to install "alongside" windows. a partition overview would be nice. you can hardly ever be too verbose and descriptive when over-writing data and resizing partitions
[00:02] <Nordo> hello?
[00:02] <Nordo> which file system i should use on ubuntu? ext4?
[00:02] <Mibix> damn you lose space going from ntfs to ext4
[00:02] <Mibix> yes Nordo
[00:02] <oerheks> ext4 is standard, so yes.
[00:02] <linux_noob4> Nordo, if you're new, yes, it's fine
[00:03] <qwert> may i ask how to bind a folder?
[00:05] <qwert> im trying to follow the last part of this https://askubuntu.com/questions/251624/set-default-folders-to-external-hdd-permanently?noredirect=1&lq=1
[00:07] <oerheks> so you follow an answer without green ballot
[00:07] <Nordo> is 60GiBs for ubuntu enough?
[00:09] <linux_noob4> Nordo, for most, maybe. depends on what all you want to install and work with
[00:11] <Nordo> for some reason, sda4 (which is ubuntu) doesnt appear when i select "something else" although i applied the operations
[00:12] <linux_noob4> qwert, proper way is the userdir way. i did this before just symlinking, had no issue
[00:13] <qwert> linux_noob4:  is that so...
[00:13] <linux_noob4> qwert, yes, unless i was just imagining that it worked
[00:14] <qwert> linux_noob4:  are u referring to the topmost answer on the link?
[00:15] <linux_noob4> qwert, yes. in nautilus you can just right-click and make link, then cut that folder, paste to your new directory
[00:15] <Nordo> for some reason, sda4 (which is ubuntu) doesnt appear when i select "something else" although i applied the operations
[00:15] <qwert> linux_noob4:  tnx,i hope it remains after a reboot.
[00:16] <linux_noob4> Nordo, for some reason you said this twice. maybe it wasn't applied
[00:16] <Nordo> well if u noticed it, why didnt u reply :P
[00:16] <linux_noob4> qwert, should. linux doesn't have a habit of deleting symlinks unless you ask it
[00:17] <linux_noob4> Nordo, i don't use ubuntu, maybe once or twice, not an expert there
[00:17] <linux_noob4> i'm here because it's a more active linux channel
[00:17] <Nordo> https://imgur.com/a/JMQF7oj
[00:18] <Nordo> ah
[00:18] <Nordo> what do u use?
[00:18] <linux_noob4> Nordo, make sure you set ubuntu as active and boot. i use antergos
[00:19] <linux_noob4> ubuntu is fine but i wanted to try kde, which is great
[00:19] <Nordo> how do i do that linux_noob4?
[00:21] <linux_noob4> Nordo, right-click on gparted and set it. if you do though, to get windows back you'll have to do a fixmbr. much easier if you have an extra ssd to install each to an ssd and use your bios to choose
[00:21] <linux_noob4> Nordo, by "windows back" i mean to boot by itself
[00:22] <Nordo> look i aint an expert
[00:22] <Nordo> i just want to install ubuntu dual-booted with windows 7, i get confused alot
[00:23] <Nordo> so you meant if i install ubuntu, there will be no boot loader to select if i want to boot windows 7 or ubunt/u
[00:24] <linux_noob4> Nordo, not sure your setup so don't want to give specific advice. you could overwrite windows if not careful. but do it the easy way, as ubuntu wants, should be safe and you'll have grub bootloader
[00:25] <linux_noob4> ubuntu's installer is safer than windows, it won't/shouldn't blast your other os
[00:25] <Nordo> k
[00:25] <Nordo> ok
[00:25] <Nordo> now
[00:25] <Nordo> please, could you stay and help me a little bit
[00:25] <Nordo> i know that you aint using ubuntu alot
[00:26] <Nordo> look
[00:26] <linux_noob4> i'll be here a while
[00:27] <Nordo> i want to install ubuntu, now, when i went to installation type, i couldnt see the partition i created for ubuntu, how can i fix this?
[00:28] <linux_noob4> you went to "something else"?
[00:28] <Nordo> yes
[00:29] <linux_noob4> Nordo, if your windows install is on that same drive, it should see it. if not, create a new ext4 file system and make it / (root)
[00:30] <Nordo> i did create a new ext4 file system
[00:30] <linux_noob4> you might want a swap partition also or you can do it after install
[00:30] <Nordo> but im not sure if i did that (root) thing
[00:30] <linux_noob4> Nordo, did you verify it? with what if you did?
[00:30] <Nordo> i did it with gparted
[00:31] <linux_noob4> Nordo, when you create a new ext4 partition you should set it as /, the base install directory. linux can use different directories for things like swap, boot, home, etc this is why it doesn't autocreate it as root
[00:32] <Nordo> nope i didnt do that, should i remove that partition then create a new one?
[00:32] <linux_noob4> Nordo, so gparted sees your ext4 partition, the installer doesn't? you sure you applied the partition changes?
[00:32] <Nordo> yes
[00:32] <Nordo> i did apply the operations
[00:32] <linux_noob4> Nordo, no, just make it root. as long as it's ext4 now, that's fine
[00:33] <Nordo> how can i  make it root?
[00:33] <linux_noob4> Nordo, usually some sort of context menu option. been a while, i forgot
[00:34] <Nordo> manage flags?
[00:34] <Nordo> i did right click and saw this
[00:34] <linux_noob4> Nordo, if ubuntu gave you the option to install alongside windows, that should be fine. backup first if needed just in case. that's the easiest instead of doing manual install like this
[00:35] <Nordo> okay, but, what does ubuntu do in this situation, does it create a partition itself and installs itself?
[00:35] <linux_noob4> Nordo, yep, manage flags might need to be set but usually it's autoset if you set your ext4 as root on install, i believe
[00:35] <linux_noob4> Nordo, i believe so
[00:35] <Nordo> i hope i dont ruin anything
[00:36] <Nordo> should i delete the partition i created?
[00:37] <linux_noob4> Nordo, if you're asking these questions and your windows partition is important, you should not do it or backup your windows files then. chances are the defaults are fine but if manually installing as a noob, wise to back it up
[00:37] <linux_noob4> Nordo, you can, doesn't matter
[00:37] <Nordo> i dont have any external drive to extract files to
[00:37] <linux_noob4> bitwise nothing will change if you delete and create it again
[00:38] <linux_noob4> Nordo, there's free cloud services to back up to
[00:39] <rorqual> Hi all, I'd like to know how much packages are available in Ubuntu repositories.
[00:39] <Nordo> wow, so much confusing, i just wanted to try the thing,
[00:39] <linux_noob4> Nordo, do you have a spare usb flash drive? unlike windows, you can install on flash
[00:39] <linux_noob4> of course it'll be slower on flash
[00:40] <Nordo> well, ill see about that
[00:40] <Nordo> thank you for bothering with me
[00:40] <Nordo> i really apperciate that
[00:40] <rorqual> I know that the Debian distribution repository is considered to be one of the largest, or the largest of all. I want to know if the repository for ubuntu is larger, the same size in terms of the number of packages, that the Debian repository
[00:40] <linux_noob4> Nordo, no prob. if you really want to install, i can guide you through but i don't know exactly where you started
[00:42] <linux_noob4> windows makes it easy because it'll obliterate any os's on the drive, not being kind as to giving you options to protect other os's
[00:42] <Alion> Helo Would Anybody Like To Clarify The windigo SSH -G, Cause i Have a Brand New Server with a Fresh 18.04  Installed And Its Coming Back Syst Infeted
[00:43] <linux_noob4> Alion, sure, i'll clarify that statement
[00:46] <Alion> Now i Would Like to Think That buntu Is Hosting Clean Installs But Why Does every download have the ssh -G With a Negative Reply i Just Spent Days Scrubing My Kali Box CLEANED it And Got Mines ssh -G CLEAN On My Local That Took A LOT! So Then i Got My 16.04 Clean And Then a Friend Brik`d The Installation So i Had To Reibstall
[00:47] <rorqual> Please, I know that the Debian distribution repository is considered to be one of the largest in terms of available packages, or the largest of all. I want to know if the repository for ubuntu is larger, the same size in terms of the number of packages, that the Debian repository
[00:47] <Alion> So Figured Why Not Try 18.04 DID It Loged In Fron Mah Kali "Whioch Was Clean" And Now They Both Read INFECTED linux_noob4  What Was That
[00:48] <oerheks> Alion, lolz, your 'kali box' got a virus?
[00:48] <Alion> but The flock /tmp test reads Clean On Both oerheks What
[00:48] <linux_noob4> Alion, you're using official repos, right?
[00:48] <oerheks> Alion, please find the propper support channel for kali pentesting, this is ubuntu support only
[00:49] <oerheks> ofcourse you have virusses and trojan signatures..
[00:49] <blackflow> trollz be trollin' ....
[00:49] <timyp> Any one know a good FTP/SFTP client (GUI) for Ubuntu that supports SSH keys? I have been using filezilla for years but a recent bug that has yet be patched has caused firefox to crash with a simple click
[00:49] <Alion> oerheks, Please Read The Messages AGAIN i Said My buntu infected Mak Kali Man
[00:50] <Alion> linux_noob4, Yes official
[00:50] <linux_noob4> rorqual, don't know, i'd wager ubuntu's repo is a bit larger. my girlfriend says it's too large
[00:50] <Alion> everybody Run This: ssh -G 2>&1 | grep -e illegal -e unknown > /dev/null && echo "System clean" || echo "System infected"
[00:52] <Alion> oerheks, hows it looking Fo yah
[00:52] <linux_noob4> Alion, what packages specifically? did you do checksums to verify? is your network secure?
[00:53] <rorqual> ok linux_noob4, thanks for answering. There was a guy trying to answer that and passed these informations: Ubuntu Zesty: 73,945 https://packages.ubuntu.com/zesty/allpackages?format=txt.gz
[00:53] <oerheks> Alion, i will not run some random command.. do a proper check with chkrootkit
[00:53] <rorqual> Debian Jesse: 57,281 https://packages.debian.org/stable/allpackages?format=txt.gz
[00:53] <Alion> Yes everythings Secure its just a Fresh remote install of ubuntu server 18 via 1and1com
[00:53] <rorqual> but, these links don't mention exaclty how much packages both distros really have, comparing between them....
[00:54] <oerheks> so you trust 1and1com ?
[00:54] <Alion> oerheks, Yea Well Then Lookit up First Then Run it
[00:54] <oerheks> no thanks, i keep it to the original iso's
[00:55] <blackflow> that command says I won $1M dollars!
[00:55] <Alion> ssh -G 2>&1 | grep -e illegal -e unknown > /dev/null && echo "System clean" || echo "System infected" if You Cant Make sence of That Read up on it
[00:55] <oerheks> blackflow, yeah, a kali freak trolling
[00:55] <blackflow> you don't say :)
[00:55] <blackflow> but still feeding it, aren't we.
[00:58] <Alion> oerheks, chrootkit Dont responde anything But My system was Clean Before i SSH'd To The Fresh 18.04 Install And Now Their Both infected according to ssh -G Which Did Report Clean Local JUST Bfor
[00:58] <hggdh> Alion: do you know what ssh -G does?
[00:59] <Alion> yes its looking for an illegal feedback
[00:59] <Alion> ssh -G 2>&1 | grep -e illegal -e unknown > /dev/null && echo "System clean" || echo "System infected"
[00:59] <blackflow> hggdh: ooh ooh ooh! I know!
[01:00] <hggdh> Alion: no, it does not. So, please stop
[01:00] <Alion> hggdh, Well Why Dont You Please Clarify
[01:01] <hggdh> Alion: this is not the channel for that. This is the Ubuntu support channel
[01:03] <Alion> Wow You People must Be incredibly STUPID SeCOND Message NOW EXPLICITLY Stating UBUNTU 18.04 Infected My Kali ANd So It Is UBUNTU Problen.
[01:03] <hggdh> Alion: no, it is not. You need to read the manuals a bit more. Last warning. Please stop.
[01:05] <linux_noob4> Alion, i ran that and it blew up my pc. thanks
[01:05] <hggdh> linux_noob4: don't.
[01:08] <Alion> Stop What i Said Why Does ubuntu 18.04 Report Infection https://www.eset.com/int/search/?q=Windigo
[01:15] <Mibix> jeez lol emptying my trash for like 30 minutes now, these plex media folders are insane with a ton of little files
[01:22] <Alion1> https://pastebin.com/LWPsKx9P
[01:33] <hggdh> Alion1: I will sugguest you to read the stackoverflow question. Really. All of it, *including the footnote*. Now, if you post it again here, or ask about it again, this won't be good.
[01:34] <Alion1> https://0bin.net/paste/qetpf0IfLKepqW1Z#Z0QuHBp+EOxSnJYbfmbDGQuXAJo10FT5kX5D7wm0wGp
[01:34] <Alion1> That Was Before
[01:44] <luxio> I have core.askpass set to "" in git, but every time I do `git commit -S`, there's a dialog box blocking the rest of the screen asking for my gpg password
[01:44] <luxio> how do I get it to ask this password in the terminal?
[01:50] <drasica> I'm getting this error when trying to compile a kernel: fatal error: linux/compiler-gcc7.h: No such file or directory
[01:50] <drasica> is this somthing I can fix by downloading some kind of dev package?
[01:50] <drasica> or do I need to downgrade GCC?
[01:50] <drasica> (this is on 18.04)
[01:51] <drasica> gcc is system default of 7.3.0
[02:01] <tundra124> :1
[02:09] <gambl0re> i configured opendns on my mobile wifi network but its still not filtering content. anyone have any ideas?
[02:13] <syb0rg> gambl0re, I don't know anything about making opendns filter content, but have you verified your system is actually using opendns?
[02:14] <gambl0re> syb0rg, yes its using opendns
[02:14] <gambl0re> if i go to this site. https://welcome.opendns.com/ i get an orange checkmark
[02:16] <gambl0re> syb0rg, you there
[02:17] <syb0rg> I guess you might not have the rules configured correctly for content filtering. Have you double checked the network you have set up for filtering, made sure it is correct?
[02:17] <syb0rg> and your specific rules?
[02:18] <syb0rg> you said it is for your mobile network - does this come with a static IP?
[02:44] <creater> anyone here have linux shell for rent?
[02:45] <syb0rg> what do you need to rent a shell for, creater?
[02:45] <Guest38205> Hey guys, how are you doing?  Quick inquiry: Upgrading from Ubuntu 14.04 to 16.04, should there be some sort of interruption, what is the best method to proceed?
[02:46] <syb0rg> Guest38205, probably depends on the issue you run into. just make sure your data is backed up if you are afraid of something happening
[02:46] <Guest38205> Yeah, for instance lost of power
[02:47] <syb0rg> well it could cause problems, which would need to be repaired on a case by case basis
[02:47] <syb0rg> if you want, you can make a full system backup
[02:47] <syb0rg> then restore that if anything happens
[02:48] <creater> hah, sysbackup is only enoguh if u dont go back in time with it
[02:48] <syb0rg> creater, I dunno what you are trying to accomplish, but you can get a vps very cheap
[02:48] <Guest38205> not interested in backing up anything but rather on simple methods to bring the upgrade to an healthy state
[02:48] <creater> grat that is true
[02:48] <syb0rg> I have a lower powered one for - wait for it - 1 euro per month
[02:49] <creater> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=onquKz5SYRs
[02:49] <syb0rg> Guest38205, like I said, recovering from an issue would depend on the specifics. I can't tell you how to fix a hypothetical problem with no details.
[02:49] <creater> wjat
[02:49] <creater> listen to the bible dont read it
[02:49] <creater> every sign is from above to the kind
[02:49] <syb0rg> what if I prefer neither
[02:50] <Guest38205> LOL, I gave you the info already.... lost of power which is a strong indication of broken packages
[02:51] <syb0rg> so has this problem actually occurred, Guest38205?
[02:51] <Guest38205> yes
[02:52] <syb0rg> jesus. why didn't you lead with that? It sounded like you were concerned with preparing for an upgrade
[02:52] <syb0rg> what error messages are you getting?
[02:52] <creater> van
[02:53] <Guest38205> Dont really know.....cant remember.....just the upgrade wont proceed
[02:55] <syb0rg> hard to help much without specifics. This thread might help you: https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2345808
[02:55] <syb0rg> if those apt commands don't work, the simplest fix may well be a fresh install
[02:56] <syb0rg> just back up your data =P
[02:57] <Guest38205> I am not a big fan of reading, if you could help me... that would be much appreciated. Well, dont want to do a fresh install
[02:57] <syb0rg> I am not a big fan of helping lazy people who can't be bothered to try and help themselves.
[02:57] <syb0rg> later, I'm going afk
[02:58] <Mo4_xi1_ge1_Ren2> how do i install Ubuntu inside Virtualbox on Windows 10?
[02:58] <Guest38205> Come on man,  stop fulling around.... you have the experience and you know your stuff... just share
[03:07] <linux_noob4> syb0rg, those who can't help themselves are most in need of help. - Abraham Lincoln
[03:08] <linux_noob4> Mo4_xi1_ge1_Ren2, download a linux iso. create a new machine (it'll guide you) then mount the iso using VB window
[03:09] <Mo4_xi1_ge1_Ren2> linux_noob4: the problem is there's no 32 bit Ubuntu iso
[03:10] <Mo4_xi1_ge1_Ren2> Virtualbox doesn't let me install ubuntu 64 bit over Windows 10
[03:10] <Mo4_xi1_ge1_Ren2> over Windows 10 64 bit
[03:10] <Mo4_xi1_ge1_Ren2> Virtualbox asks me for two processors for ubuntu
[03:11] <linux_noob4> i don't know why, i could boot 32/64 in VB using 32 and 64bit hosts. supposedly ubuntu has a mini iso that's 32bit
[03:12] <linux_noob4> also in VB, you don't install "over" another OS, you install alongside it
[03:12] <linux_noob4> unless i'm misunderstanding your situation
[05:46] <snaphelp> hey
[05:46] <snaphelp> So I can't find anything that really answers what I'm after
[05:47] <snaphelp> Where do snaps store data?
[05:47] <snaphelp> Like, I'm installing nextcloud as a snap and I want to be able to back up all my data
[05:48] <snaphelp> I am %4000 lost
[05:49] <syb0rg> snaphelp, is it in your home directory perhaps? I do not use snaps, so this is only a guess.
[05:50] <guiverc_d> snaphelp, i'm no expert either; but I think its up to the programmer  (if legacy snap; confined snaps have severe limits on what they can do; so it varies on type of snap)
[05:51] <syb0rg> snaphelp, looks like config files are generally stored in ~/snap/
[05:51] <syb0rg> data is probably stored wherever the app thinks it should be, like guiverc_d said. Which again is likely in your home directory
[05:52] <Bumgx> Wrong again
[05:53] <syb0rg> and maybe look in /var/snap/
[05:53] <syb0rg> here is where I am getting info jklbasdflkjghlkJHDSGKLJhlkjsdfgh987(*S*&^*(&^(*&^
[05:53] <syb0rg> oops
[05:53] <syb0rg> https://askubuntu.com/questions/762354/where-can-ubuntu-snaps-write-data
[05:53] <snaphelp> syb0rg: if you don't know the answer you don't have to answer me
[05:53] <snaphelp> I can wait for someone who knows
[05:53] <syb0rg> just trying to point you in the right direction snaphelp, you can potentially verify this yourself by looking in the locations I stated
[05:54] <snaphelp> I'm digging in /var/
[05:54] <snaphelp> Looks like it's in there?
[05:54] <snaphelp> [01:54] <Bumgx> You miserable bastard. He tried to help. Asshole
[05:54] <snaphelp> Just going to put that out there.
[05:54] <syb0rg> lol
[05:54] <snaphelp> Bumgx: If you want to call me a miserable bastard and an asshole grow a fucking pair and say it in the channel, not a PM
[05:54] <snaphelp> Also welcome to the internet.
[05:55] <syb0rg> he just be trollin'
[05:55] <guiverc_d> snaphelp, there are snap irc channels; I'm not sure if #snappy is what i'm thinking of, but maybe?
[05:57] <snaphelp> !ops Bumgx troll / harrasment in PM's
[05:57] <snaphelp> Also, "[01:56] <Bumgx> No wonder nobody wants to help. Because of bitch scum like you"
[05:57] <syb0rg> yeah I can verify what snaphelp said, he is trolling me a bit too
[05:57] <snaphelp> Ah, /ignore works in the web client
[05:57] <snaphelp> syb0rg: do /ignore Bumgx
[05:58] <syb0rg> eh I no, but he doesn't really bug me
[05:58] <syb0rg> *know
[05:58] <DrManhattan> ignore works well
[05:58] <syb0rg> indubitably
[06:01] <Bumgx> I gotta put up with false accusations when it's me being threatened by snaphelp
[06:01] <snaphelp> [01:59] <Bumgx> I gotta take a shit. You fucking crybaby
[06:01] <snaphelp> :thinking_face:
[06:02] <syb0rg> big time Bumgx, we all believe you. You poor, tortured soul
[06:02] <Bumgx> snaphelp
[06:02] <Bumgx> Consider lynching yourself. https://thepasteb.in/p/y8h6QwE2JLPfO
[06:02] <syb0rg> I, for one, am not clicking that link
[06:03] <lotuspsychje> !language
[06:03] <lotuspsychje> stop it please
[06:04] <snaphelp> ^
[06:05] <snaphelp> You're a low level troll and only lucky to survive because the OP's are sleeping
[06:05] <lotuspsychje> snaphelp: dont feed please
[06:06] <snaphelp> I'm in #ubuntu-ops
[06:06] <snaphelp> Hopefully someone is alive
[06:06] <syb0rg> eh it doesn't matter much snaphelp, it isn't like he is a very effective troll to begin with and it is pretty dead
[06:07] <syb0rg> so was the data you were looking for in /var?
[06:07] <snaphelp> in /var/snap
[06:07] <syb0rg> cool
[06:07] <snaphelp> ayy I can set a external datadirectory
[06:08] <jada> hey, I just installed latest Ubuntu 18.04, looking for some ways to customize look & feel. How od I go about it? I want to switch it to light/white colors
[06:08] <lotuspsychje> !themes | jada
[06:09] <lotuspsychje> jada: see also deviantart.com alot of nice ideas there
[06:09] <jada> do I need some app first? like unity-tweak-tool or something similar?
[06:09] <lotuspsychje> jada: gnome-tweak-tool can also make it easy switching themes for you
[06:09] <jada> I've been playing with themes on 15 and 16.04
[06:09] <snaphelp> lotuspsychje: don't suggest deviantart
[06:09] <snaphelp> its.... yea.
[06:10] <syb0rg> deviant, one might say? Hmm?
[06:10] <lotuspsychje> snaphelp: dont tell me what to do
[06:10] <snaphelp> lotuspsychje: Same back at you.
[06:11] <snaphelp> syb0rg: it's changed its name by the way, now goes by Fredsaxx
[06:16] <snaphelp> syb0rg: Snaps seem to handle lots of IO well
[06:17] <syb0rg> really, why would they have an advantage with high IO? Or are you just glad they aren't limited in that sense?
[06:19] <snaphelp> glad they're not limited
[06:19] <snaphelp> I'm going to setup a snap inside of a LXC container
[06:19] <snaphelp> This way I have the best of both worlds
[06:19] <snaphelp> that or just use snaps raw
[06:19] <lotuspsychje> !discuss
[06:20] <snaphelp> lotuspsychje: The channel is %100 dead right now.
[06:20] <snaphelp> Why not go feed the troll?
[06:20] <lotuspsychje> snaphelp: no reason to use it as chitchat
[06:21] <syb0rg> at least it is ubuntu related chit chat
[06:21] <snaphelp> ^
[06:21] <snaphelp> syb0rg: I was about to ask you, how do you handle backing up and securing your machine?
[06:21] <lotuspsychje> syb0rg, snaphelp no check the !guidelines this chanel is for ubuntu support only
[06:22] <snaphelp> lotuspsychje: Please do not nick alert me any further.
[06:22] <syb0rg> for security, I just use a firewall and try to do web stuff in vms, backups I do manually and with syncing between  machines, but my current setup for backups is realy a work in progress
[06:22] <snaphelp> It's annoying as i have the window open and focused at all times.
[06:22] <syb0rg> anyway since we are bugging lotuspsychje I will switch to ubuntu-offtopic
[06:23] <snaphelp> I'll join you so he stops incessently nick alerting me and trying to boss me around.
[06:23] <snaphelp> Also, lotuspsychje don't tell me what to do while you're not nick alerting me. Thanks.
[06:23] <lotuspsychje> snaphelp: then stop using this channel for chitchat
[06:23] <syb0rg> eh he's being a bit overzealous at worst, he just wants to keep  the channel on topic. I can respect that :)
[06:23] <snaphelp> lotuspsychje: Again. Stop nick alerting me before I simply /ignore you.
[06:24] <snaphelp> syb0rg: I can't join, not +r and not planning on going +r
[06:25] <snaphelp> syb0rg: Do we have a public grsecurity hardened kernel for ubuntu or no?
[06:26] <syb0rg> I'm gonna stay on topic snaphelp, I chat here semi often so I'd rather not have ill will from regulars here. They do tend to focus on being on-topic here
[06:27] <snaphelp> syb0rg: hardened kernels for ubuntu are ot
[06:28] <syb0rg> sorta but you aren't really asking for support now, you're just chatting. Get that +r if you want to go on the social channels =P
[06:29] <snaphelp> syb0rg: ok, how would I go about compiling a hardened kernel from source?
[06:30] <syb0rg> no idea, never done that. Sounds like a fun project though
[06:31] <snaphelp>  /msg NickServ VERIFY REGISTER snaphelp zsbergrhnbxs
[06:31] <syb0rg> hmmmm. Might wanna change that pass asap, lol.
[06:34] <ikonia> snaphelp: in what way is the kernel not secure enough for you now ?
[06:35] <snaphelp> ikonia: more of precautious / learning
[06:35] <snaphelp> grsecurity is historically good at protecting from 0days
[06:37] <ikonia> yeah, and no-one uses it
[06:37] <ikonia> for a pretty good reason
[06:39] <snaphelp> [citation required]
[06:39] <snaphelp> ikonia: I know the controversial developers
[06:40] <ikonia> controversial developers ?
[06:41] <snaphelp> they behave like spoiled brats
[06:41] <snaphelp> one dropped a (selinux?) 0day
[06:41] <snaphelp> on twitter...
[06:42] <ikonia> snaphelp: have you ever built any ubuntu package before ?
[06:43] <snaphelp> Not a package but I did once successfully re-compile my kernel
[06:43] <snaphelp> I'm up to learning
[06:43] <ikonia> snaphelp: I would strongly suggestion take approx 10 steps backwards then one step forward
[06:43] <ikonia> your first build shouldn't be "how do I build a more secure kernel, I have no idea why I'd want to do this, but I do"
[06:44] <provolik> Hello, a new day has just started and a new issue has just arrived
[06:45] <snaphelp> ikonia: I like going in headfirst into a pool with no water
[06:45] <snaphelp> more fun that way
[06:45] <ikonia> it's time wasting for other people and doesn't really give you credibility as someone who wants to learn
[06:45] <provolik> I have Xubuntu 16.04 and I cannot upgrade or dist-upgrade anymore because there's a damaged package: libtag1-vanilla
[06:46] <ikonia> what do you mean by damaged package
[06:46] <chong> \quit
[06:46] <provolik> I don't know, it's the system message, but the message is my language so I don't know if you could understand it
[06:47] <provolik> I am trying to find the correct message sent by an english ubuntu
[06:47] <snaphelp> ikonia: How is it time wasting for others?
[06:47] <snaphelp> ikonia: if you don't want to help simply don't help.
[06:47] <snaphelp> Don't discourage learning
[06:48] <ikonia> snaphelp: a doctor who on his first day of work says "I want to do brain surgery, thats how I learn" doesn't get help/respect
[06:48] <ikonia> snaphelp: doctors build up experience and become specialists, the same is true of learning linux, you build up experience and knowledge
[06:49] <ikonia> provolik: debugging it in a different lanaguage will be hard, have you tried removing the package ?
[06:49] <snaphelp> ikonia: The difference here? The only person's time that would get wasted would be mine
[06:49] <provolik> ikonia, yes
[06:50] <ikonia> snaphelp: no it's not, people trying to help you would be wasted
[06:50] <ikonia> provolik: what happens when you try to remove ?
[06:50] <provolik> ikonia, the message is: libtag1v5-vanilla : Breaks: libtag1-vanilla but 1.10-0ubuntu1~xenial0 is going to be installed. (translated by me)
[06:50] <provolik> after that: E: packages damaged
[06:50] <snaphelp> ikonia: So people helping me learn something new is wasting their time?
[06:50] <ikonia> Hmmmm
[06:50] <ikonia> !info libtag1v5-vanilla
[06:50] <snaphelp> Then don't help me...
[06:51] <ikonia> snaphelp: people helping you do something you're out of your league on, is, people helping you learn by building up to it is real value
[06:51] <ikonia> provolik: that doesn't strike me as something that would "break" ubuntu, one moment please
[06:52] <ikonia> !info libtag1-vanilla
[06:52] <provolik> ikonia, ubuntu is working, simply I cannot upgrade (or dist-upgrade) it
[06:52] <ikonia> provolik: can you try to remove remove libtag1-vanilla
[06:52] <ikonia> provolik: I mean removing that pacakge wouln't break ubuntu
[06:53] <ikonia> provolik: and if the package manager is not working/blocked, thats not a great working state
[06:53] <provolik> ikonia, I tried with: sudo dpkg --remove --force-remove-reinstreq libtag1v5-vanilla
[06:53] <snaphelp> ikonia: You're assuming it's out of my leauge without knowing any of my history.
[06:53] <snaphelp> ikonia: you're wasting more of your time saying it's a waste of your time than actually attempting to help
[06:53] <ikonia> snaphelp: you've never build a package before, you told me that yourself, and in #uuntu-offtopic you're saying you want to do basic linux courses
[06:53] <ikonia> snaphelp: so I have reasonable idea of your history
[06:53] <snaphelp> ikonia: basic IT courses.
[06:54] <snaphelp> ikonia: I've stated I've managed to build the kernel in the past
[06:54] <ikonia> provolik: that's interesting approach, what happened ?
[06:54] <snaphelp> ikonia: so no, you really don't have any idea of my history.
[06:54] <ikonia> snaphelp: well done typing makemenu config, make deps and make build isn't really hard
[06:54] <provolik> ikonia, after that command the system sais that the package cannot be removed beacuse of the dependecies
[06:55] <ikonia> snaphelp: ok, I dont
[06:55] <snaphelp> ikonia: Again, you've wasted more time telling me its a waste of your time than actually helping.
[06:55] <snaphelp> While also making bold statements
[06:55] <ikonia> provolik: does it lift the dependencies ?
[06:55] <ikonia> snaphelp: ok, lets stop talking about it
[06:56] <snaphelp> I'll keep discussing building the kernel from source
[06:56] <snaphelp> just not with you
[06:56] <provolik> ikonia, do you know how can I know?
[06:56] <ikonia> snaphelp: not in here you won't
[06:56] <ikonia> snaphelp: that's not this channels support window
[06:56] <ikonia> provolik: sure, I was expecting it to give you a list with the removal
[06:56] <ikonia> provolik: ahh hang on, you removed the wrong package
[06:57] <snaphelp> ikonia: If I need help finding certain packages I can more than ask in here
[06:57] <ikonia> provolik: try removing libtag1-vanilla
[06:57] <ikonia> snaphelp: you can certainly ask for package help
[06:57] <ikonia> snaphelp: you can also use packages.ubuntu.com
[06:57] <provolik> ikonia, ok
[06:57] <snaphelp> ikonia: Never heard of that one, always used apt-cache
[06:58] <ikonia> snaphelp: use whatever you want
[06:58] <provolik> ikonia, it says that it's not installed
[06:59] <ikonia> provolik: so that's interesting, so removing the first package says it breaks that one, but it also says that package is not installed
[06:59] <ikonia> so I think that's the problem
[06:59] <provolik> ikonia, libtag1v5 and libtag1v5-vanilla are installed
[06:59] <zamba> god damn.. sometimes apt can be do damn dumb
[06:59] <snaphelp> Anyways I'm gonna be back. It's 3am here.
[06:59] <snaphelp> night yall
[06:59] <zamba> Removing mysql-server (5.7.22-0ubuntu0.16.04.1) ...
[06:59] <zamba> Setting up mysql-server-5.7 (5.7.22-0ubuntu0.16.04.1) ...
[07:00] <zamba> why is it setting up mysql-server when it's supposed to be removing it?
[07:00] <ikonia> provolik: try apt-cache rdepends apt-cache rdepends
[07:00] <ikonia> oops
[07:00] <zamba> mysql_upgrade: Got error: 1045: Access denied for user 'debian-sys-maint'@'localhost' (using password: YES) while connecting to the MySQL server
[07:00] <snaphelp> zamba: If you want a pleasant drop in alternative to mysql there's always mariadb
[07:00] <ikonia> provolik: try apt-cache rdepends libtag1v5
[07:00] <provolik> ikonia, trying
[07:00] <snaphelp> zamba: Just putting that out there. Wont solve your problem, just nice to know
[07:00] <zamba> snaphelp: problem was that netmrg seemingly required mysql
[07:01] <provolik> ikonia, https://pastebin.com/V6Qxmvis
[07:02] <ikonia> provolik: ok, a lot more than expected
[07:02] <provolik> ikonia, I thinks so :-/
[07:02] <ikonia> provolik: /last provolik
[07:02] <ikonia> oops
[07:02] <ikonia> !info libtag1-vanilla
[07:03] <ikonia> provolik: what happens if you do a remove against libtag1-vanilla
[07:03] <provolik> ikonia, it says that it's not installed
[07:05] <ikonia> provolik: so why does it think it depends on that package, that's not even listed in the depends list
[07:05] <provolik> ikonia, maybe I have to install it?
[07:05] <ikonia> provolik: that pacakge doesn't show up in the ubuntu package version for any distro release
[07:05] <ikonia> provolik: are you using any 3rd party repos/ppa's
[07:06] <ikonia> actually, it does, sorry, I'm wrong
[07:07] <provolik> ikonia, okay I tried to reinstall the package libtag1v5-vanilla but it didn't help
[07:07] <ikonia> provolik: ahhh wait
[07:07] <ikonia> provolik: was this box a trusty box once ?
[07:08] <provolik> ikonia, sorry I cannot understand what you are saying
[07:08] <ikonia> provolik: was this box once ubuntu 14.04 that you upgrade
[07:08] <provolik> ikonia, I don't think so
[07:09] <ikonia> provolik: that package was only ever shipped in ubuntu 14.04
[07:09] <provolik> ikonia, but all is possible in this world :-D
[07:10] <ikonia> provolik: can you do dpkg -l | grep libtag1
[07:10] <ikonia> provolik: put it in a pastebin
[07:10] <provolik> ikonia, https://pastebin.com/H3AhJWz2
[07:16] <ikonia> !info libtag1v5-vanilla xenial
[07:16] <nifker> what does a "bad file descriptor" mean?
[07:16] <ikonia> !info libtag1v5 xenial
[07:16] <ikonia> nifker: in what context ?
[07:16] <ikonia> provolik: so they are the right versions,
[07:16] <nifker> ikonia: wiriting to a file
[07:16] <nifker> writing*
[07:17] <ikonia> provolik: can you just do a basic test for me "sudo apt-get update" and put it in a pastebin please
[07:17] <ikonia> nifker: how are you writing to a file
[07:17] <provolik> ikonia, https://askubuntu.com/questions/1047948/cant-upgrade-ubuntu-16-04 <-- same issue here
[07:17] <provolik> ikonia, the messages will be in my language but I am going to do it
[07:17] <ikonia> provolik: thats ok,
[07:18] <nifker> ikonia: it could be an issue with my programm but Im using rusts https://doc.rust-lang.org/std/io/struct.BufWriter.html
[07:18] <ikonia> provolik: so that looks like an external repo, that's why I've just asked you for the command to see what you've currently got enxabled
[07:19] <provolik> ikonia, https://pastebin.com/K3dMxJ8f
[07:19] <ikonia> nifker: so you're trying to write software and it's giving that error when you use it
[07:19] <ikonia> provolik: Ign:3 http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu trusty InRelease
[07:19] <ikonia> provolik: so you have a trusty repo
[07:19] <nifker> ikonia: yes
[07:19] <ikonia> provolik: this box was either once a trusty box, or you have manually added a bad repo
[07:20] <provolik> ikonia, do I have to remove it?
[07:20] <ArchaicLord> Hi everyone, I am having trouble installing ubuntu 18.04 onto an Asus UX305C. I have USB 2 SanDisc which I used Unetbootin to write the ubuntu desktop iso to. I boot from the usb. When I choose install option instead of install it take me to the live environment to try Ubutnu. When I click the instal disk nothing happens.
[07:20] <ikonia> nifker: so bad file description is normally (in your context) the call to the api/hook to write the actual file doesn't exit/is invalid
[07:20] <ikonia> nifker: the guys in the programming channels can help you understand that and how to resolve it in more detail
[07:20] <ikonia> provolik: Trovato:18 http://ppa.launchpad.net/fengestad/stable/ubuntu wily InRelease
[07:20] <ikonia> provolik: you also have a wily PPA installed and confiured
[07:21] <ikonia> provolik: Trovato:20 http://repo.steampowered.com/steam precise InRelease
[07:21] <ikonia> provolik: and a precise repo
[07:21] <provolik> ikonia, I think the first is eventually the problem
[07:21] <ikonia> provolik: your repo setup is a mess
[07:21] <ikonia> provolik: I think you're whole repo setup is a problem
[07:22] <provolik> ikonia, okay, what I have to do then? Removing or what?
[07:22] <ikonia> provolik: comment out all non-xenial repos
[07:22] <provolik> ikonia, ok
[07:24] <EriC^^> ArchaicLord: try starting the installer from the terminal using "ubiquity"
[07:26] <arima9965> tes
[07:26] <arima9965> anybody here?
[07:27] <ikonia> many people
[07:27] <ArchaicLord> EriC^^ How do I do that?
[07:27] <EriC^^> ArchaicLord: press ctrl+alt+t to open a terminal and type in ubiquity
[07:28] <provolik> ikonia, done
[07:28] <ArchaicLord> nothing
[07:29] <arima9965> ok
[07:29] <edmoore> hi, i'm on 17.10 and wish to upgrade to 18.04. `do-release-upgrade` does nothing (presumably because it's waiting for 18.04.1), and `do-release-upgrade -d` wants to give me 18.10
[07:29] <edmoore> is there some intermediate incantation to get me 18.04?
[07:31] <Ben64> edmoore: what's the output of "lsb_release -c"
[07:32] <edmoore> bionic Ben64
[07:33] <Ben64> that's 18.04
[07:33] <provolik> ikonia, good, now I have just upgrade, but anyway some packages are marked as not upgraded: libtagc0 mixxx
[07:34] <ikonia> provolik: because you have mixed repos
[07:34] <provolik> ikonia, is there a possible solution?
[07:34] <ikonia> provolik: stop using mixed repos
[07:35] <provolik> ikonia, this will be upgrade those packages?
[07:35] <ikonia> provolik: depends on where they came from
[07:36] <provolik> ikonia, okay thanks
[07:38] <ArchaicLord> ahh so after 50 attempts ubiquity gives an internal error says ubiquity not installed but I can see ubiquity in /usr/lib/ubiquity/bin/ on the usb
[07:47] <ArchaicLord> instal ubuntu from USB ubiquity gives an internal error says ubiquit not installed but I can see ubiquity in /usr/lib/ubiquity/bin/ on the usb
[08:03] <negev> hi, i've got an apparmor issue where in complain mode an action works but isn't complained about, in enforce mode it's blocked but also not logged
[08:03] <negev> so i can't figure out what i need to do to allow it
[08:12] <tomeaton17> I have mounted my windows partition to /mnt. I have to switch to root user to cd into it, is this normal?
[08:13] <lotuspsychje> !mount | tomeaton17
[08:31] <Bluewolf> Good day all. I'm running Ubuntu Gnome 16.04, I keep getting ads appearing on my notifications every so often or after startup, this started after updates I assume. Does anyone know how I can stop them?
[08:39] <guiverc_d> Bluewolf, adverts to buy stuff?
[08:39] <EriC^^> tomeaton17: if you mount it from the file manager it shouldn't need root anymore
[08:41] <Bluewolf> guiverc_d: Ah not all the time. The last was, To claim a Samsung S7 or something which I had so called won
[08:41] <guest> what is the best way to set password to external hard drive in ubuntu ?
[08:41] <Bluewolf> There not showing on the notifications after that
[08:41] <EriC^^> Bluewolf: sounds like some app is causing those ads, i dont think ubuntu does that by default
[08:42] <EriC^^> guest: encrypt the drive?
[08:42] <guest> EriC^^: i dont want to encrype it , i just want to set password
[08:42] <guiverc_d> Bluewolf, standard Ubuntu & all apps in any repo I can't imagine doing it, have you installed other non-standard apps/repos/ppas?
[08:43] <guest> it is possible to set password without encrypting it ?
[08:43] <venn_> Hello World!
[08:44] <guiverc_d> (logs of what you installed etc. can be found in /var/log/apt/ - for when you forget what/when you installed stuff)
[08:44] <venn_> umm
[08:45] <Bluewolf> EriC^^: guiverc_d: I don't explore much on apps. I've not installed any non-standard apps as far as I know. All I have on is things like - VLC, Audacity, Battle.net (Blizzard Entertainment - Which is unlikely to have adds) and wine
[08:45] <Bluewolf> Unless there is something else which has been added, is there a way to check what apps are installed?
[08:45] <Bluewolf> To help solve this or are there any other suggestions?
[08:45] <venn_> To remember it XD
[08:46] <EriC^^> guest: you can't set a password, i'm not sure if there's a way that users not in a certain group can't mount drives, but it's pretty trivial to bypass it anyways if you have physical access
[08:47] <guest> EriC^^: then best way of doing it is by using cryptsetup?
[08:47] <guiverc_d> i'm wondering if some starnge gnome-addon (extension) could have done it; but I suspect if one had it'd be blogged about heaps & i'd have read of it..  even a browser extension can (not sure about gnome on 16.04) sent notifications to OS/gnome - I'd probably check there first (whatever browser was running @ time of advert appearing; if one was)
[08:48] <EriC^^> Bluewolf: you could start by checking if any ppa's are installed, cat /etc/apt/sources.list and tail -n +1 /etc/apt/sources.list.d/*
[08:48] <EriC^^> guest: yeah you can use luks to encrypt it or if encfs if you just want to encrypt a dir
[08:53] <guest> thanks
[08:54] <Bluewolf> EriC^^: Oh wait, I think I may have found something. An app, Makehuman, I just remembered having it on my PC when I was helping a friend. I removed it though.
[08:54] <Bluewolf> Do I delete those files in cat /etc/apt/sources.list folder?
[08:54] <EriC^^> Bluewolf: no
[08:55] <EriC^^> Bluewolf: how did you add the makehuman app?
[08:55] <Bluewolf> From its official site
[08:55] <EriC^^> via ppa?
[08:56] <Bluewolf> In truth, I can't be sure. It was quite a while back
[08:57] <Bluewolf> I would assume?
[08:58] <Bluewolf> Yeah looks like it, I'll paste the output
[08:59] <Bluewolf> EriC^^: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/h76GSNZv5v/
[09:02] <EriC^^> Bluewolf: use ppa-purge to remove it
[09:02] <EriC^^> sudo apt-get install ppa-purge
[09:03] <Bluewolf> Alright, I've run the command
[09:03] <venn_> What will happen if I do pop() on an empty queue in STL,C++ ?
[09:05] <Bluewolf> EriC^^: Will that purge solve it?
[09:06] <Bluewolf> Or do I have to run 'sudo apt autoremove' ?
[09:07] <EriC^^> Bluewolf: you have to run a ppa-purge command
[09:07] <Bluewolf> Like the one above (sudo apt-get install ppa-purge) - I did this?
[09:09] <Bluewolf> EriC^^: Oh, what command, I'm not familiar with these?
[09:13] <EriC^^> 1 sec Bluewolf
[09:14] <EriC^^> Bluewolf: try sudo ppa-purge -p ppa:makehuman-official/makehuman-11x
[09:15] <Bluewolf> EriC^^: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/np6kHY453B/
[09:19] <EriC^^> Bluewolf: sorry typo
[09:19] <EriC^^> sudo ppa-purge ppa:makehuman-official/makehuman-11x
[09:19] <Rojola> hi
[09:20] <Rojola> I would like to install "cordova" on Ubuntu 18.04.   I found many websites explaining how to install cordova, and all of them want me to install the package "python-software-properties" as first step
[09:20] <Rojola> the problem I am facing is, that the package "python-software-properties" does not exist in the repos
[09:21] <Bluewolf> EriC^^: Happens :D  - Its Updating package lists
[09:22] <EriC^^> cool :D
[09:23] <teo_> today when updating I get a strange error: "The repository 'http://ppa.launchpad.net/ubuntu-mate-dev/trusty-mate/ubuntu xenial Release' does not have a Release file"
[09:23] <guiverc_d> Rojola, yeah, I see it for all but 18.04 https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=python-software-properties ; it's universe
[09:23] <teo_> Does it mean the repository is down?
[09:24] <Bluewolf> EriC^^: How long is this supposed to take, or is it done already? xD
[09:25] <Rojola> guiverc_d, I try to install "cordova" the way I _think_ it should be done...
[09:25] <guiverc_d> teo_, why do you have it?  it's for 14.04 (trusty) https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mate-dev/+archive/ubuntu/xenial-mate may be what you want/need
[09:25] <Rojola> guiverc_d, I will install "nodejs" and "npm" and then install it via npm
[09:25] <ArchaicLord> Just to let you I fixed ubiquity install issue. installed etcher and redownloaded iso and reinstalled worked prefectly then
[09:26] <guiverc_d> :) Rojola
[09:27] <Bluewolf> EriC^^: Oh there we go, its done. https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/QfzpJ3DdPY/
[09:28] <EriC^^> Bluewolf: seems ok
[09:28] <EriC^^> you can run sudo apt-get autoremove --purge  to remove the extra stuff not needed anymore
[09:29] <EriC^^> and sudo apt-get autoclean
[09:29] <Bluewolf> EriC^^: Alright. Thank for the time and patience mate :y:
 thanks! I will remove it and add the one you propose
[09:41] <ZaZaQR> hello
[09:41] <Jonta> Hi
[09:45] <dudeji> how to find which process is causing high processor load ?
[09:45] <ZaZaQR> who is still up?
[09:46] <dudeji> tried options are : top , htop , iostats
[09:47] <Jonta> ZaZaQR: Loads. Timezones. Do you have a question?
[09:53] <michael2> dudeji: were you able to find process using top?
[09:55] <dudeji> yeah, its apache server and some threads endsup in waiting state 'D' so went even future and figured out which php file is getting stuck and even i disable that php api , server still goes up.
[09:55] <dudeji> sorry for typo
[09:56] <dudeji> yeah, its apache server and some threads ended up in waiting state 'D' so went even further and figured out which php file is getting stuck and disabled that php api , server still goes up.
[10:11] <Takios> Hello, what is the packaging policy for packages that require a working mysql user? Currently, we have them coming out of configuration management, but it has been brought up that the package should work independently of it so the mysql user should be created by the package.
[10:17] <kappaiota> hello everyone
[10:18] <Jonta> Hi
[10:18] <kappaiota> i am new here, and wanted to ask for some help
[10:18] <Jonta> !ask
[10:19] <kappaiota> I have an ubuntu gnome 16.04 system that i upgraded to 18.04. the installation broke at some point
[10:19] <kappaiota> i cant log in anymore and i tried to use the live disk to reinstall 16.04
[10:19] <Jonta> !enter | kappaiota
[10:21] <kappaiota> i have a partition with all my personal files (NTFS) partition, two other partitions for ubuntu (/ and /home). if i erase 18.04 and resinatll 16.04 will i lose all the files on the ntfs partition? the installation wizard was very vague about this
[10:26] <Comnenus> Can someone point me to a guide on how to seal a Ubuntu 18 template?  Seems everything goes sideways once I delete /etc/machine-id, and on next boot if it is missing it is not automatically regenerated, so I must be doing this wrong.  So far I haven't found any solutions.  I assume if I clone a template I would want machine-id to be unique.
[10:29] <kubast2> Yo
[10:29] <Jonta> Hi
[10:30] <kubast2> How can I recompile dkms modules from recoveryshell ?
[10:30] <kubast2> I think my nvidia install broke because it does the same thing it does on arch
[10:31] <BlackDex> Hello all. I'm trying to create a bootable 18.04 USB Stick. But it seems to be not working. I have UEFI (Secure boot disabled) and booting seems to work until the installer tries to find the files.
[10:31] <kubast2> Doesn't show X.org on laptop screen and tty is broken because it alternates beetween first and nd one
[10:31] <BlackDex> the startup disk creator doesn't seem to work
[10:31] <kubast2> *gdm
[10:31] <BlackDex> because i used that
[10:31] <dziegler> Hi, i try to run the command "pbuilder-dist bionic create" as a sudo user. But I get the error "sudo: sorry, you are not allowed to set the following environment variables: ARCHITECTURE, DISTRIBUTION, ARCH, DIST, DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS". Does anyone know how my sudoers file needs to look for pbuilder? I use "jenkins ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD: /usr/bin/pbuilder-dist, /usr/sbin/chroot, /usr/sbin/pbuilder" at the moment.
[10:32] <kubast2> I had 4.18 kernel installed to check whether a device works under it and it didn't ,and after uninstalling and booting to 4.15 it turns out my gpu driver broke
[10:33] <kubast2> And it just loops forever trying to launch gdmnch gdm
[10:35] <BluesKaj> 'Morning folks
[10:37] <kubast2> BluesKaj: do you know how to recover when gpu driver borks after a temporary install of newest mainline kernel (tested whether a driver for a video grabber is present there)
[10:37] <kubast2> I uninstalled it and I can't boot to xorg
[10:38] <kubast2> On 4.15 kernel
[10:38] <kindeljan> mangold
[10:39] <BluesKaj> kubast2:  that sounds like a non-default driver if the kernel upgrade din't upgrade the gpu driver as well
[10:40] <kubast2> Proprietary nvidia driver from the repo installed from official ubuntu gui BluesKaj
[10:41] <TimeDoctor> kubast2: I'd ssh in and reinstall the driver in-case that fixes it
[10:41] <kubast2> What's the command for it?
[10:42] <kubast2> Ik there is a ubuntu driver picker cli app
[10:43] <BluesKaj> kubast2:  mainlines are upstream non-default , correct?
[10:43] <kubast2> They are from ubuntu devs but yes non-defaults
[10:43] <MangoldSchellfis> test
[10:44] <BluesKaj> there's your problem, kubast2
[10:45] <kubast2> I installed the stock one back and I installed it for a test BluesKaj
[10:46] <BluesKaj> kubast2:  you could try sudo modprobe nameofdriver to see what the dependency errors are
[10:46] <kubast2> Allright insec I will be taking a shower
[10:47] <kubast2> I allready booted into recovery mode so that will take a minute
[10:51] <lessless_> I updated to erlang-21 which was a mistake but can't go back to erlang-20 because of "erlang : Depends: erlang-diameter but it is not going to be installed"
[10:52] <lessless_> the command is "apt-get install erlang=1:20.3-1"
[10:52] <kubast2> BluesKaj: could not insert off
[10:52] <kubast2> Unknown symbol in module
[10:53] <BluesKaj> kubast2:  which gpu and driver
[10:53] <BluesKaj> ?
[10:53] <kubast2> Well I actually have nouveau driver rn but it doesn't work either way
[10:53] <kubast2> It worked before
[10:54] <BluesKaj> kubast2:  read the part about uninstalling upstream kernels  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/MainlineBuilds
[10:54] <guiverc_d> lessless_, what Ubuntu are you running?  erlang-diameter exists for cosmic (https://packages.ubuntu.com/bionic/erlang-diameter)
[10:54] <lessless_> guiverc_d 16.04
[10:54] <EriC^^> !ping
[10:55] <BluesKaj> Hey EriC^^
[10:55] <EriC^^> hey BluesKaj
[10:58] <guiverc_d> lessless_, i know nothing about erlang; but the dep you listed only exists for 18.04 in standard repos; many blogs tell you how to install (eg. https://tecadmin.net/install-erlang-on-ubuntu/) for 16.04 - maybe try one of those. (it doesn't say version, it was only the first from duckduckgo)  [adding files intended for other versions isn't recommended which is why I've chosen this answer)
[10:59] <lessless_> guiverc_d thanks. I suppose it's jus a matter of figuring out why my system wants those 18.x packages
[11:01] <kubast2> Works rn BluesKaj installed proprietary nvidia drivers
[11:08] <guiverc_d> lessless_, the 16.04 erlang (https://packages.ubuntu.com/xenial/erlang) has package name 1:18.3 - which maybe means its -18 [package; so maybe you didn't use default version; updated with another ppa/repo (another page I looked at suggested using a non-std source).. and used non-Ubuntu tools to update? (like python can use `pip` maybe) - sorry I don't know
[11:15] <BluesKaj> kubast2: ok ,good
[11:21] <skinux> For some reason, I can login using Gnome, but not other DEs.
[11:21] <skinux> They just go back to login
[11:23] <ppf> skinux: check .xsession_errors
[11:25] <skinux> It doesn't have anything useful
[11:25] <ppf> what about the DM's logs
[11:26] <skinux> lightdm log is empty
[11:26] <newbiii> hi people I have no sound i my freshly installed bionic beaver. any help?
[11:26] <ppf> skinux: it has like 5 different logs
[11:27] <skinux> Which one do I look in?
[11:28] <ppf> skinux: all, i guess
[11:29] <skinux> I can't seem to find any with useful iinfo
[11:29] <ppf> skinux: can you paste .xsession_errors
[11:36] <skinux> https://gist.github.com/skinuxgeek/7db739e8b03f26a0a3004f60fb63014b
[11:39] <ppf> that's after a successful or unsuccessful login?
[11:39] <skinux> Successful
[11:40] <ppf> i meant in a DE that immediatly exits
[11:40] <skinux> Oh.
[11:40] <skinux> Hold on.
[11:41] <newbiii> hi people I have no sound i my freshly installed bionic beaver. any help?
[11:42] <ppf> !sound " newbii
[11:42] <ppf> !sound | newbii
[11:44] <newbiii> !mp3
[11:52] <brahmana> Hi, is there a way for me to see the no of connections that are waiting to be accepted for a listening socket?
[11:52] <skinux> Here is after a failed login https://gist.github.com/skinuxgeek/7db739e8b03f26a0a3004f60fb63014b
[12:09] <delta64> @search orwell
[12:15] <ppf> skinux: what about the X/DM logs
[12:16] <skinux> From what I could tell, they don't have anythin
[12:18] <brahmana> catphish: I see. The app server I am using is doing that. Though it is doing it with processes. A master process which is listening and then worker processes which pick up incoming requests
[12:24] <Guest6960> hello
[12:25] <skinux> There is  a temporary shell file that fails to run as root, and it complains about not being able to copy Xauthorization file
[12:27] <nexthelp> beep boot
[12:27] <nexthelp> boop
[12:27] <lordtolstoi> hello
[12:32] <HexaByte> Hi guys. I'm looking for PPA for PHP 5.4 for Ubuntu 18.04 LTS as alt install to other versions. Any hints?
[12:32] <HexaByte> There used to be ondrej PPA or something, but i can not find it today for 5.4
[12:34] <memphisto> HexaByte: try this https://launchpad.net/~ondrej/+archive/ubuntu/php?field.series_filter=bionic
[12:35] <HexaByte> will check it out. In description of this PPA, there is not 5.4 mention
[12:35] <memphisto> 5.4 is out of support
[12:36] <HexaByte> i know, it has been for quite some time
[12:36] <memphisto> http://web.archive.org/web/20131216111917/https://launchpad.net/~ondrej/+archive/php5-oldstable
[12:36] <memphisto> but there is no Bionic here
[12:37] <memphisto> can't you go to bit newer
[12:38] <HexaByte> one particular site and one particular user requires 5.4, there are other versions installed as well, but for that site that is a requirement
[12:38] <HexaByte> and I really do not feel like compiling stuff in 2018
[12:39] <memphisto> :)
[12:40] <HexaByte> for CentOS i can find packages, but for Ubuntu 18.04 I can not. I just got used to ubuntu and I quite like it, so it would be awesome to find a package base for 5.4. I know I'm not the only one with such needs.
[12:41] <HexaByte> So any hints to get packages for 18.04 will be appreciated
[12:42] <u0_a96_> p
[12:47] <ioria> HexaByte, give a lot here but it's desperate as it sounds http://packages.rusoft.ru/ppa/rusoft/php/5.4/pool/ubuntu-bionic/amd64/php54/
[12:47] <ioria> *look
[12:48] <HexaByte> looks like rusoft compiled most versions of PHP
[12:49] <HexaByte> does anyone know who rusoft.ru is? :-)
[12:50] <ioria> HexaByte,  maybe a trusty 14.04 vm forcing 5.4
[12:51] <ppf> docker ftw
[12:51] <HexaByte> ioria: custumer wants eveything on the same server (which is a VM anyway), thanks for the hint though
[12:51] <HexaByte> they are uprading application pool slowly
[12:51] <ioria> HexaByte,  ok, gl
[12:52] <HexaByte> and I would never run EOL Ubuntu anyways :-)
[12:52] <ioria> HexaByte,  14.04 is not eol
[12:52] <HexaByte> no?
[12:52] <HexaByte> lol
[12:52] <HexaByte> my bad, sorry
[12:52] <ioria> !14.04
[12:52] <ppf> no, one more year
[12:52] <ppf> so just run it in a container
[12:53] <gnulligan> guys I need help
[12:53] <ppf> you've come to the right place
[12:54] <gnulligan> I'm setting up an ubuntu + windows + clonezille triple boot system on UEFI
[12:54] <gnulligan> ppf: :D
[12:54] <gnulligan> and I want all the entries to be in NVRAM
[12:54] <gnulligan> but the default NVRAM entry will be grub, and give me the option to load whichever OS I want
[12:56] <gnulligan> So I installed windows to take up 100GB, then use disk management in windows to make a 300mb clonezilla fat32 partition, then rebooted and installed ubuntu manually to a 100gb ext4 partition
[12:56] <gnulligan> and I set ONLY that partition to be bootable
[12:57] <gnulligan> then I rebooted into windows and extracted the clonezilla.zip file to the clonezilla partition
[12:57] <gnulligan> after I reboot, only clonezilla and windwos show up as entries in the NVRAM
[12:57] <gnulligan> no ubuntu
[12:57] <ppf> what do you mean by entry
[12:57] <gnulligan> I bet it's because ubuntu is ext4
[12:58] <gnulligan> ppf: in the uefi. If I press F12  during boot I can change uefi settings and see bootable devices
[12:58] <gnulligan> I think the problem is UEFI only supports reading fat-formatted devices
[12:58] <ppf> are you sure you installed ubuntu in EFI mode?
[12:59] <gnulligan> no, the installer gave me very few options
[12:59] <gnulligan> I could make a partition, choose FS, choose mount point
[12:59] <gnulligan> but thats it
[12:59] <ppf> were you at any point booted into ubuntu?
[13:00] <gnulligan> only the live system
[13:00] <gnulligan> never again, because no entry in uefi
[13:00] <gnulligan> I think this depends on how the ESP works
[13:01] <gnulligan> which I need to read up on lol...
[13:01] <ppf> okay. can you switch to legacy bios?
[13:01] <gnulligan> that would kill windows
[13:01] <ppf> and see if you can boot ubuntu?
[13:01] <ppf> well you can switch back at any point
[13:01] <gnulligan> hmmm
[13:02] <gnulligan> I'm worried about windows there lol... just switching to legacy won't write to the disk at all right?
[13:03] <ppf> i'm not sure what you did during setup, but in efi mode it should have created an efi partition for your boot loader
[13:03] <ppf> which it looks like it didn't
[13:04] <newbiii> Hi people, I have no sound omn my freshly installed bionic beaver. I did already the check suggested by the bot "troubleshooting" - every chek he suggests is OK. when I try to play an mp3 file the pulsaudio volum control "pulses" displaying a picture as if something is played, but still no sound. I checked of course all the "mute" buttons everything is unmuted
[13:04] <newbiii> any help?
[13:05] <HexaByte> Is there a way to add: http://packages.rusoft.ru/ppa/rusoft/php/5.4/pool/ubuntu-xenial/amd64/php54/ as a PPA or some other type of repository. I want just 5.4 packages from this source.
[13:06] <gnulligan> ppf: sorry I was reading up on ESP
[13:06] <gnulligan> that has to be fat32-formatted right?
[13:06] <ppf> yes
[13:07] <gnulligan> well when the installer asked me where to put the bootloader I selected the ext4 partition
[13:07] <gnulligan> and in windows I don't see any additional partitions
[13:07] <gnulligan> that are fat32
[13:08] <gnulligan> so the ESP is probably ext4 on this system
[13:08] <ellyacht> can someone help me with a hardware issue
[13:08] <ppf> i'm not super certain since i haven't seen this in a while, but what exactly does the setup ask you there?
[13:09] <ppf> where to put /boot?
[13:09] <HexaByte> ioria: Is there a way to add: http://packages.rusoft.ru/ppa/rusoft/php/5.4/pool/ubuntu-xenial/amd64/php54/ as a PPA or some other type of repository. I want just 5.4 packages from this source.
[13:09] <ellyacht> MSI GS63VR Stealth pro the bluetooth and wifi modules are on right at startup
[13:09] <qwebirc71398> hi
[13:10] <ellyacht> I am running linux on the machine
[13:10] <ppf> gnulligan: because the ESP should be installed on a _disk_, not a partition
[13:10] <ellyacht> linuxmint 19
[13:10] <ppf> in the sense that, the installer will create the efi partition and everything
[13:10] <ppf> !mint | ellyacht
[13:11] <qwebirc71398> I am having this strange issue with my Panasonic CF-SX2 laptop. The 'Fn+BrightnessDown' combination is triggered for a solid 10 seconds or so upon a charging cable being inserted or removed.
[13:11] <qwebirc71398> Running 18.04
[13:12] <qwebirc71398> This leaves me unable to use the keyboard of the device until the combination stops being triggered or I manually change the display brightness back to a non-zero value
[13:13] <fred__tv> Hi, 12.04+lxde+autologin , at boot desktop environment is displayed with no password , suddenly after months , this login page is displayed at boot:
[13:13] <gnulligan> ppf: ok yeah that's what I was afraid of
[13:13] <fred__tv> https://imagebin.ca/v/46A9gpo5UiYu
[13:14] <ppf> gnulligan: what is?
[13:14] <gnulligan> I didn't want to overwrite the entries for clonezilla or windows
[13:14] <newbiii> Hi people, I have no sound on my freshly installed bionic beaver. I did already the check suggested by the bot "troubleshooting" - every check he suggests is OK. when I try to play an mp3 file the pulsaudio volum control "pulses" displaying a picture as if something is played, but still no sound. I checked of course all the "mute" buttons everything is unmuted. Any help? --
[13:14] <gnulligan> that's why I set the bootloader to the partition instead of the disk
[13:14] <fred__tv> no usual user is displayed, and if "more" is chosen and usual username/pass is typed , login fails
[13:15] <ppf> entries?
[13:15] <qwebirc71398> @newbiii try alsamixer and make sure none of the channels are muted or at 0 volume
[13:15] <qwebirc71398> On my laptop for some reason the headphone channel actually controls the speaker
[13:16] <ppf> gnulligan: boot into the lifesystem again and check the partition table
[13:18] <ppf> gnulligan: and when you're in there, check whether the system is booted in uefi mode ;)
[13:18] <ausjke> difference between 'apt update' vs 'apt-get update' ? I know apt-update is not good for scripting, just for command line interactive usage
[13:18] <gnulligan> ppf: I am sure it's uefi lol
[13:18] <ppf> ausjke: apt is the new-and-improved apt-get
[13:18] <gnulligan> ohhhh
[13:18] <gnulligan> wait
[13:18] <gnulligan> you mean the ubuntu live system
[13:18] <gnulligan> okok
[13:18] <ausjke> in my case, 'apt-get upgrade' will keep-back-packages, 'apt upgrade' will upgrade them
[13:18] <gnulligan> hmm
[13:18] <gnulligan> how do I so that?
[13:18] <newbiii> qwebirc71398: thanks, I remember now that last time (7 years ago) I also had to do this. The channels "front mi" and "line boo" are muted now. unmuting.
[13:19] <gnulligan> do I have to do "try ubuntu" and then bring up a shell?
[13:19] <ppf> ausjke: it's not "good for scripting" because the api might change
[13:19] <ppf> gnulligan: yes
[13:19] <ppf> ausjke: apt-get upgrade and apt upgrade should be identical
[13:19] <ausjke> ppf: not really, which is why i am asking here :) which is a big surprise
[13:19] <qwebirc71398> is there a way to completely disable tbe brightness slider popup?
[13:19] <qwebirc71398> in 18.04, gnome
[13:20] <gnulligan> ppf: how do I find out if the usb is in efi or mbr mode?
[13:20] <ppf> gnulligan: [ -d /sys/firmware/efi ] && echo UEFI || echo BIOS
[13:20] <ausjke> my cron job uses apt-get and never upgraded a few packages, so i spent some time looking this morning and it turns out apt-get just kept them back, then i try 'apt' it then upgrades fine
[13:21] <ausjke> in the meantime i learned i should not use apt in scripts/crons
[13:21] <leftyfb> ausjke: um ... I don't think apt-get holding back packages and apt installing them is a thing
[13:21] <gnulligan> ok brb booting live system
[13:22] <leftyfb> ausjke: unless you're using dist-upgrade or the like with apt and not apt-get
[13:24] <qwebirc30362> I need help burning a ubuntu iso dvd on mac
[13:24] <qwebirc30362> It only makes one file not all the ones i need to boot. Onli one big iso file
[13:24] <ausjke> leftyfb: https://pastebin.com/JVdQNgsC
[13:25] <ausjke> leftyfb: no i did not use dist-upgrade, it's a fresh 1806 at digitalocean.com
[13:25] <qwebirc30362> Any ideas?
[13:25] <ppf> qwebirc30362: you need to burn that to the dvd as an image, not as a file
[13:25] <leftyfb> ausjke: interesting
[13:25] <leftyfb> qwebirc30362: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BurningIsoHowto
[13:25] <leftyfb> qwebirc30362: first result on google for "ubuntu burn iso on mac"
[13:26] <ppf> ausjke: wtf
[13:26] <qwebirc30362> I followed that
[13:26] <qwebirc30362> Does not work
[13:26] <newbiii> <qwebirc: I unmuted all I could in Alsamixer. no progress. By the way what does it mean "00" in the bottom of each column?
[13:26] <leftyfb> qwebirc30362: define "Does not work"
[13:26] <ppf> ausjke: i had no idea. but the manpage says that's what it does
[13:27] <ppf> so apt upgrade != apt-get upgrade, and dist-upgrade != full-upgrade
[13:27] <qwebirc30362> Disk utility burns the dvd but it is all in one file. Cant boot fromit
[13:27] <leftyfb> qwebirc30362: I would try #apple or #osx or something then
[13:27] <ausjke> apt upgrade != apt-get upgrade has consequences especially when people assume they'are ==
[13:27] <sa_> I’ve a ubuntu box on the network. Let us assume the login username and password for the ubuntu box known to multiple people, if multiple people logged into the ubuntu PC  via windows machine using putty and ran few commands. Is there any way to know the history of commands ran by multiple windows putty clients(‘history’ command does not helped)?
[13:28] <ppf> ausjke: agreed
[13:28]  * ausjke switched apt-get to apt in scripts
[13:28] <ppf> ausjke: but the manpage is quite clear, and it emits a warning when scripted. that's about all there is to do about it
[13:29] <ausjke> i will find apt/apt-get maintainer email and report
[13:29] <gnulligan> ppf: omg I booted the usb in bios mode
[13:29] <gnulligan> AND NOW THERE'S AN "INSTALL ALONGSIDE WINDOWS" OPTION
[13:29] <ppf> gnulligan: then you'll get an OS in bios mode too :)
[13:29] <gnulligan> hahah
[13:29] <gnulligan> no I mean
[13:29] <gnulligan> before
[13:29] <leftyfb> sa_: only after they log out
[13:29] <gnulligan> I installed under bios mode
[13:30] <gnulligan> and now in uefi mode
[13:30] <gnulligan> there's install alongside other oses
[13:30] <leftyfb> sa_: then their history will be written to history
[13:30] <gnulligan> so much easier omg
[13:30] <leftyfb> !enter | gnulligan
[13:30] <ppf> ausjke: sure. but i'm certain that's intentional and they weighed the consequences. especially since you ignored the warning ;)
[13:31] <ppf> also note that apt comes from upstream debian and is not an ubuntu product, so you should complain to the right person ;)
[13:32] <newbiii> Hi people, I have no sound on my freshly installed bionic beaver. I did already the check suggested by the bot "troubleshooting" - every check he suggests is OK. when I try to play an mp3 file the pulsaudio volum control "pulses" displaying a picture as if something is played, but still no sound. I checked of course all the "mute" buttons everything is unmuted. Any help?---
[13:33] <ausjke> ppf: who knows, maybe ubuntu tweaked it for its own sake, at least 'apt show apt' showes 'ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com' instead of debian
[13:33] <ppf> Original-Maintainer: APT Development Team <deity@lists.debian.org>
[13:33] <ausjke> yes
[13:33] <ppf> but give it a shot
[13:34] <ausjke> hope i don't need subscribe to that list to report, anyway will email
[13:34] <sa_> leftyfb: It looks like each ssh session has it's own 'history'?
[13:34] <leftyfb> sa_: in memory
[13:34] <ppf> sa_: multiple sessions for the same user?
[13:34] <sa_> ppf: yes
[13:35] <tomreyn> newbiii: is this new hardware, or did the same hardware and hardware / firmware configuration (including where cables are plugged into, and the same speakers) work previously?
[13:38] <ausjke> reported, done for now
[13:41] <gnulligan> ubottu: sorry
[13:42] <gnulligan> ok so if I boot to usb in UEFI mode and choose "install alongside other OSes" what happens?
[13:42] <gnulligan> does it modify the uefi nvram? will it replace windows BCD with grub?
[13:42] <ppf> it'll create a new/use an existing efi partition to install grub
[13:43] <gnulligan> so it overwrites the ESP with grub, right?
[13:43] <newbiii> tomreyn:  it is the same hardware, I just erased pangolin and installed beaver
[13:43] <ppf> it installs grub into the esp, yes
[13:44] <gnulligan> my goal is to keep separate entries in the UEFI NVRAM
[13:44] <gnulligan> of linux grub, clonezilla grub and windows BCD
[13:44] <ppf> that means you need efi partitions for each of them
[13:44] <tomreyn> newbiii: and itworked before?
[13:45] <ppf> which i don't think works?
[13:45] <gnulligan> ppf: ok, so when windows installed it added the ESP automatically
[13:45] <gnulligan> and with clonezilla I got lucky because I installed it to fat32
[13:46] <ppf> yes
[13:46] <ppf> right now your ESP only contains the windows bootloader
[13:46] <ppf> you can't boot ubuntu with that
[13:46] <gnulligan> ppf: wait I think I have two ESPs
[13:47] <ppf> if you replace it with grub, you can boot all
[13:47] <ppf> why, how?
[13:47] <newbiii> tomreyn: yes it did
[13:47] <gnulligan> ppf: because I installed clonezilla in UEFI mode to a single fat32 partition, so the whole fat32 partition seems to contain both the ESP files and the root filesystem
[13:48] <gnulligan> (I literally just unzipped clonezilla from windows and copy/pasted to the partition)
[13:48] <ppf> no, ESP is a partition
[13:48] <gnulligan> then why did that work?
[13:49] <gnulligan> I was following this guide: https://www.rmprepusb.com/tutorials/142---windows-restore-uefi
[13:49] <ppf> you install a boot loader into that partition, and UEFI runs that loader if you boot from this partition. but uefi knows how to run other boot loaders directly and bypass esp
[13:50] <skinux> How do I determine which display manager is running?
[13:50] <ppf> skinux: ps auxf
[13:50] <HexaByte> what's the equivalent of /etc/debian_version in ubuntu?
[13:50] <HexaByte> need to check which ubuntu it is
[13:50] <ppf> HexaByte: cat /etc/*-release
[13:51] <HexaByte> ah tn
[13:51] <HexaByte> x
[13:51] <ppf> that works on basicly every distro ;)
[13:51] <HexaByte> ppf: lol, that is correct
[13:51] <HexaByte> i never noticed
[13:52] <skinux> That's weird. It seems both LightDM and GDM are running
[13:52] <skinux> How is that possible
[13:52] <mikeymop> So I am trying to install a .deb on fedora
[13:52] <mikeymop> they have dpkg which I installed
[13:52] <mikeymop> and it installs fine
[13:52] <mikeymop> but How would I uninstall? since I dont have apt
[13:52] <ausjke> ubottu: thanks
[13:52] <mikeymop> would I do remove and point it to the original .deb?
[13:53] <ausjke> ubottu: who wrote lines for you
[13:53] <ppf> mikeymop: dpkg -r
[13:53] <gnulligan> ppf: ok, so if I delete the current ubuntu partition, restart into the usb in UEFI mode, and install manually I should be able to set up a third ESP, which will give me a third entry in the UEFI, right? What manual partitions do I create?
[13:53] <ppf> gnulligan: you don't need to delete it, you can just reinstall ubuntu over it
[13:53] <gnulligan> ESP and / at a minimum, right? I'm on a SSD so I'm going to add swap later with a HDD
[13:53] <skinux> How do I tell LIghtDM not to run?
[13:53] <ausjke> ubottu: ipsec
[13:54] <gnulligan> ppf: lol I already deleted it from windows
[13:54] <ppf> skinux: systemctl disable lightdm
[13:54] <ppf> gnulligan: then just reinstall
[13:54] <gnulligan> ppf: but what partitions should I make in the manual install?
[13:54] <ppf>  /
[13:54] <gnulligan> no ESP?
[13:55] <ppf> no, the installer does that
[13:55] <ppf> IF you're in efi mode
[13:55] <gnulligan> but I need to make sure this ESP is separate from the other two
[13:55] <ppf> there is only one
[13:56] <ppf> why do you need this?
[13:56] <gnulligan> I thought you said to have different entries in the uefi menu I need different ESPs?
[13:56] <ppf> no
[13:56] <ppf> all OS images/bootloaders get installed into the same esp
[13:56] <gnulligan> ok. my goal is to have all OSes visible to the firmware, so if grub breaks, I can choose another one easily
[13:57] <ppf> yes, that's how you do it
[13:57] <ppf> though if grub breaks you can't boot ubuntu ')
[13:57] <gnulligan> I do not want to have the default, which AFAIK is a single UEFI entry for grub which will then let you chainload the 3 OSes
[13:57] <ppf> then again, grub doesn't break
[13:58] <gnulligan> ppf: well my biggest concern is that a future update to ubuntu or grub will somehow prevent grub from booting windows
[13:58] <gnulligan> this happened before lol
[13:58] <gnulligan> also windows could overwrite the ESP too
[13:58] <ppf> if this happens you can fix it
[13:58] <ppf> it could, but it won't
[13:58] <gnulligan> windows updates break grub quite often
[13:59] <ppf> has never done so for me
[13:59] <gnulligan> if they're big, like feature updates etc
[13:59] <ppf> but then you just restore it, no harm done
[13:59] <rhoks1> hi guys, I minimized an app to system tray on 17.10 and can't access it now, where do I find it?
[14:00] <gnulligan> is the default "install alongside other OSes" option going to remove the other two entries from my UEFI?
[14:00] <ppf> also, it can only break the default bootloader. not the actual grub
[14:00] <ppf> no
[14:00] <ppf> it shouldn't
[14:01] <gnulligan> ok, that's what I need to avoid. I need to keep the separate options in case something gets nuked... It would be really easy though if I could just press "Install alongside other OSes" and it will leave the clonezilla and windows entries in the UEFI boot menu alone
[14:01] <rhoks1> anyone?
[14:01] <ppf> yes, just press it
[14:02] <ppf> you can fix it if it doesn't work
[14:02] <gnulligan> ok I'll try it
[14:04] <HexaByte> Before I reinvent hot water. How can I add http://packages.rusoft.ru/ppa/rusoft/php/5.4/pool/ubuntu-xenial/ as an apt repository, to get php5.4 packages into apt?
[14:04] <skinux> Makes no sense, the latest kernel won't boot, and using previous I can only boot into plain Gnome
[14:04] <newbiii> Hi people, I have no sound on my freshly installed bionic beaver. I did already the check suggested by the bot "troubleshooting" - every check he suggests is OK. when I try to play an mp3 file the pulsaudio volum control "pulses" displaying a picture as if something is played, but still no sound. I checked of course all the "mute" buttons everything is unmuted. Any help?----
[14:07] <HexaByte> seems like this: deb http://packages.rusoft.ru/ppa/rusoft/php/5.4 ubuntu-bionic main  :-)
[14:08] <HexaByte> now I just need to fix the problem with public key :-)
[14:08] <HexaByte> to enable the repo
[14:10] <gnulligan> ppf: you said "you can fix it if it doesn't work"
[14:10] <gnulligan> how would I re-add a partition to the UEFI menu if that happened?
[14:12] <ppf> gnulligan: why not let future gnulligan worry
[14:13] <gnulligan> lol
[14:14] <gnulligan> because I just want a general idea of what it entails
[14:14] <mancman3> gnulligan: burn boot-repair to a usb/dvd and run it to add all BOOTABLE oses. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Boot-Repair
[14:14] <gnulligan> ohhhh
[14:14] <gnulligan> let mem check that out
[14:14] <HexaByte> How can I get around "The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available". I did try apt-get --allow-unauthenticated update .
[14:15] <mancman3> if u have a working os already no need to burn it, just install it. it does uefi too
[14:15] <HexaByte> never mind
[14:15] <HexaByte> i found the key
[14:15] <MibixFox> ehh i forced closed gparted since it wasnt responding
[14:15] <MibixFox> cant get it to open anymore
[14:15] <mancman3> MibixFox: kill it then
[14:15] <mancman3> killall gparted
[14:15] <MibixFox> how?
[14:15] <MibixFox> k
[14:16] <MibixFox> gparted: no process found
[14:16] <mancman3> gnulligan: select the recommended option :)
[14:16] <MibixFox> im using the gui version
[14:16] <gnulligan> mancman3: doesn't that just make a new grub with all possible entries?
[14:17] <mancman3> gnulligan: isn't that what ur after
[14:18] <gnulligan>  I'm not worried the system won't be bootable, since the "install alongside other OSes" option usually works. I'm trying to make sure all OSes have entries in the firmware as well as grub
[14:18] <gnulligan> I don't want the uefi to show only one bootable entry, because I've had windows overwrite grub before
[14:19] <gnulligan> so if grub doesn't work, the clonezilla grub and windows BCD entries should be available as fallbacks
[14:19] <gnulligan> via the UEFI menu
[14:19] <mancman3> Oh ok no idea as all motherboard bioses / eufi is different
[14:20] <gnulligan> I'm trying to find out if the default "install alongside other OSes" option will overwrite the current entries in the UEFI menu. That should depend on the installer
[14:21] <mancman3> If u install a uefi OS i'm guessing YES
[14:21] <mancman3> What i mean is if u install with uefi enabled then ubuntu has a uefi signiture
[14:22] <mancman3> signature*
[14:22] <mancman3> key what ever
[14:22] <gnulligan> mancman3: so ubuntu will be added to the list, which is great
[14:22] <gnulligan> but will it overwrite the other entries?
[14:23] <ppf> no
[14:24] <gnulligan> ok cool try
[14:27] <mancman3> Only Windows seems to delete other boot entries. A Linux install will add/re-add ALL entries
[14:34] <rfleming> Where do I find my GPG key (file) stored in my keyring?
[14:35] <mancman3> passwords && keys app
[14:36] <skinux> I tried deleting .config and .local, still cannot login to anything but plain Gnome
[14:36] <rfleming> mancman3: I know it's there.  I need the private key
[14:36] <rfleming> skinux: what are you trying to do?
[14:37] <skinux> I'm just trying ot use a DE other than plain GNome
[14:37] <skinux> Everything but plain gnome just goes back to login
[14:46] <tomeaton17> Hi, I am getting audio lag with my bluetooth headphones. It starts off without a problem, but then it slowly becomes massive (1s+). How can I fix this?
[14:49] <ppf> skinux still nothing in the logs?
[14:50] <ppf> are you on a vanilla Ubuntu or did you make weird changes
[14:50] <Dragoneye> Where can we add a folder in nautilus left column? Not thinking of bookmarks, would like to add a folder named Private inbetween say Documents and Downloads?
[14:51]  * Dragoneye is using 18.04 LTS
[14:56] <skinux> I haven't found any log with anything useful
[14:56] <JimBuntu> Dragoneye, I think they added Bookmarks as a way for you to do that. Although, I agree, it would be nice if you could drag and drop the "bookmark" into the position toward the top you prefer.
[14:56] <BluesKaj> Dragoneye:  does  nautlus have a "places"option ...kde user here, been a while since I ran ubuntu/gnome etc
[14:57] <Dragoneye> "Other Locations"
[14:57] <JimBuntu> Dragoneye,  ok. Seems you can edit ~/.config/user-dirs.dirs
[14:58] <Dragoneye> JimBuntu: Tank you, but then the point is gone, in my case anyway :-)
[14:59] <skinux> Okay. I'm using GDM and there are NO logs
[14:59] <leftyfb> Dragoneye: you can't. Those variables in user-dirs.dirs are the only ones that nautilus will understand as far as displaying on top right
[14:59] <JimBuntu> Dragoneye, ok, sorry. I think you may have to dig in a bit lower level then.
[14:59]  * Dragoneye is currently scanning the net ...#
[14:59] <leftyfb> Dragoneye: you'll have to edit the source code for nautilus
[14:59] <Dragoneye> leftyfb: np, ill add the sources to apt list  ;-)
[15:00] <BluesKaj> nautilus does have a places  option, whynot use that?
[15:01] <Dragoneye> BluesKaj: In my case the "+ Other Locations" is a sub page
[15:01] <squid_> hi, can i ask about a bash script and why it might be failing?
[15:01] <MibixFox> i have been converting my drives from ntfs to ext4 and using the gui to copy files over if i stop the guis half way and do an rsync -u it wont have to start over will it?
[15:01] <BluesKaj> right click on the folder and chooseadd to places, they can be moived around in different orders if
[15:01] <BluesKaj> you wish
[15:02] <zetheroo> where are app icons stored in 18.04?
[15:02] <MibixFox> BluesKaj: was that to me?
[15:02] <BluesKaj> MibixFox: no
[15:02] <Jonta> !ask | squid_
[15:02] <Dragoneye> BluesKaj: Think you are on a diffent version. Im running 18.04  and this Noutilus does not have "places"
[15:03] <BluesKaj> Dragoneye: ok, that a bummer
[15:03]  * Dragoneye s/Noutilus/Nautilus/
[15:03] <BluesKaj> that's
[15:03] <Chydzim> hi?
[15:03] <Jonta> Chydzim: Hi
[15:03] <Dragoneye> BluesKaj: Thank you tho for help.  I will search some more on the net :-)
[15:03] <Chydzim> i need some help guys
[15:04] <squid_> I am trying to run dd in a bash script, pointing to /dev/sdc* block devices. If I run these dd commands individually, they work, but if I run them from the script, all that happens is regular files get created in /dev/ with the names sdc 1, 2 etc
[15:04] <Jonta> !ask | Chydzim
[15:04] <Jonta> squid_: Script source code in pastebin? #bash may be a better place
[15:05] <Chydzim> i found a code on github which i need to build, but i have no idea how to do it, i havent ever used linux
[15:05] <gnulligan> hey guys
[15:05] <leftyfb> Chydzim: what code?
[15:05] <Chydzim> https://github.com/arifogel/twrpabx
[15:05] <gnulligan> just finished installing ubuntu, a message pops up saying "Please remove the installation medium, then press ENTER"
[15:06] <gnulligan> when I press enter, nothing happens
[15:06] <Jonta> Did you remove the installation medium?
[15:06] <gnulligan> there's a cursor on the screen that goes down though, so I guess the newline is going somewhere
[15:06] <leftyfb> gnulligan: just remove the install cd/dvd/usb and reboot
[15:06] <gnulligan> Jonta: ya
[15:07] <gnulligan> leftyfb: ok, so there won't be any disk activity right now? It's safe to force shutdown?
[15:07] <squid_> Jonta: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/M6s7F4GzWK/
[15:07] <leftyfb> gnulligan: correct
[15:07] <gnulligan> leftyfb: ty :)
[15:07] <gnulligan> afl
[15:07] <gnulligan> afk
[15:07] <leftyfb> squid_: what is _sysroot ?
[15:08] <squid_> leftyfb: the name of a directory
[15:08] <leftyfb> ok, just making sure you weren't trying to make it into some variable
[15:09] <Chydzim> https://github.com/arifogel/twrpabx can someone build it and upload for me to a google drive, or tell how to build it?
[15:10] <squid_> Ok I think I might have fixed it, seems to be the first line causing a problem
[15:10] <squid_> The one where the script writes to /dev/sdc
[15:10] <squid_> And not a partition
[15:10] <leftyfb> Chydzim: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingEasyHowTo
[15:10] <squid_> I didn't write this script, but that is supposed to corrupt the media somehow first
[15:11] <leftyfb> squid_: it would "corrupt" it. Which means there wouldn't be any valid partitions to dd your other files to so they would just to go files
[15:11] <gnulligan> where is the ubuntu grub.cfg located in the FHS?
[15:12] <leftyfb> gnulligan: why? You don't edit that directly
[15:12] <zetheroo> where are icons stored in 18.04
[15:12] <squid_> leftyfb: That's what I'm now thinking. The thing is, not every partition fails every time, and others in my organisation are using this script without trouble. I'll give it a go without that line and see if it works consistently
[15:13] <leftyfb> !repeat | zetheroo
[15:13] <squid_> !patience
[15:13] <leftyfb> zetheroo: where did you look?
[15:14] <zetheroo>  leftyfb: I have been searching online but cannot find any info for 18.04, and ofc I've been looking in my home folder
[15:14] <leftyfb> zetheroo: did you happen to look in /usr/share/icons?
[15:15] <leftyfb> zetheroo: I googled "ubuntu icon location"
[15:15] <zetheroo>  leftyfb: ok, there are some in here from the theme packs ... tks
[15:16] <leftyfb> zetheroo: next time, keep your search simple to begin with.
[15:16] <gnulligan> leftyfb: I'm not going to, I'm going to modify another grub.cfg and I need the menuentry details for ubuntu
[15:16] <leftyfb> gnulligan: again, why?
[15:17] <gnulligan> leftyfb: because I want to boot ubuntu?
[15:17] <gnulligan> lol
[15:18] <leftyfb> gnulligan: Why do you need to mess with grub to get ubuntu to boot? A default install on typical hardware will just boot without having to mess with grub.cfg
[15:19] <gnulligan> leftyfb: I don't have a default install :P
[15:19] <leftyfb> gnulligan: what kind of install do you have?
[15:19] <gnulligan> nevermind I found it ty
[15:19] <oerheks> gnulligan, then do what you want (lol)
[15:19] <Jonta> Share your solution with us
[15:25] <mikeymop> does anyone know how to remove a package using dpkg instead of apt
[15:25] <leftyfb> mikeymop: why?
[15:25] <leftyfb> mikeymop: why can't you use apt?
[15:25] <mikeymop> because I dont have apt on this machine
[15:25] <MibixFox> can someone please help me? i have been converting my drives from ntfs to ext4 and using the gui to copy files over.   I stopped the gui copy midway and im trying to use rsync in the cli but its not resuming where i left off. im using rsync -a --append -u --progress /mnt/Q /mnt/P/ and it seems to just be rewriting everything
[15:25] <leftyfb> mikeymop: what version of ubuntu?
[15:25] <mikeymop> its fedora
[15:25] <leftyfb> mikeymop: then go to #fedora
[15:26] <mikeymop> they sent me here
[15:26] <mikeymop> because dpkg
[15:26] <worldnet> #Koinange #Hillbrow #SvayPak #Sonagachi #AngelesCity #PatpongPattaya
[15:26] <leftyfb> mikeymop: We can only support Ubuntu and it's packages here
[15:26] <leftyfb> !op | worldnet
[15:26] <mikeymop> apparently everyone crumbles without their package manager
[15:26] <worldnet>  Aphrodite was worshipped as a warrior goddess. She was also the patron goddess of prostitutes, an association which led early scholars to propose the concept of "sacred prostitution", an idea which is now generally seen as erroneous.
[15:27] <oerheks> worldnet, wrong channel dude
[15:29] <MibixFox> lol noone really good with rsync? :(
[15:29] <leftyfb> MibixFox: cp does not keep acl's/timestamps on files so rsync will override
[15:30] <leftyfb> MibixFox: rsync keeps everything. If the data has changed from the source (which a cp will do) then rsync will override
[15:32] <MibixFox> there is a --size-only argument but it doesnt seem to be working
[15:36] <MibixFox> just keeps overwriting all the files ive already copied :/
[15:38] <Shabbysheik> mikeymop: you can use dpkg --remove PACKAGENAMEHERE
[15:41] <mikeymop> Shabbysheik: thanks!
[15:42] <Shabbysheik> no problem man
[15:44] <MibixFox> there is also an --ignore-existing command that also does nothing haha
[15:45] <leftyfb> MibixFox: which filesystem are you copying to/from?
[15:46] <leftyfb> MibixFox: it won't work right to/from NTFS/FAT
[15:47] <oerheks> good spot ..
[15:47] <MibixFox> from ntfs to ext4
[15:47] <leftyfb> there ya go
[15:47] <leftyfb> MibixFox: use rsync once, let it finish.
[15:49] <MibixFox> *sigh*
[15:49] <MibixFox> just lost like 12 hours of copying
[15:54] <blackflow> MibixFox: awwww, what happened!
[15:54] <MibixFox> haha should have used rsync from the beginning :(
[15:57] <MibixFox> i dont get how if you ctrl+c an rsync it doesnt leave a file in half 😛
[15:59] <whoami> ?
[16:00] <leftyfb> whoami: can we help you with something?
[16:00] <arora> He's just wondering who he is :p
[16:00] <whoami> no, i just found this channel from website
[16:01] <leftyfb> whoami: do you run ubuntu?
[16:01] <whoami> i use debian actually
[16:01] <leftyfb> whoami: ok, this is a support channel for ubuntu
[16:02] <eelstrebor> can an existing ext4 filesystem be converted to a  f2fs filesystem without having to do a fresh install?
[16:03] <whoami> where is this channel from?
[16:03] <leftyfb> whoami: again, this is a support channel for #ubuntu
[16:03] <juan_> alguien habla español?
[16:03] <leftyfb> eelstrebor: https://forum.xda-developers.com/xperia-s/s-development/tutorial-migrate-filesystem-to-f2fs-ext4-t3004755   first result on googl
[16:03] <whoami> ok
[16:03] <leftyfb> !sp | juan_
[16:04] <leftyfb> !es | juan_
[16:04] <juan_> ok...gracias
[16:05] <eelstrebor> i've noticed that f2fs isn't an option on the live 16.04.4 dvd also
[16:05] <eelstrebor> leftyfb, i don't use google but i'll see if it comes up on startpage
[16:05] <leftyfb> eelstrebor: because it's not meant for desktop OS's
[16:07] <coconut> eelstrebor: than start using google.... (or duckduckgo)
[16:07] <eelstrebor> leftyfb, i'm using an ssd for /, /usr,/var so i'm wondering if it'll be beneficial to use f2fs instead of ext4 - and this is a server box but i start with the desktop dvd
[16:08] <leftyfb> eelstrebor: I've managed thousands of servers running ext4 on SSD's. No issue.
[16:08] <oerheks> coconut, how helpfull
[16:08] <eelstrebor> coconut, i have issues with google so i avoid any google products
[16:09]  * eelstrebor uses firefox instead of google chrome
[16:10]  * eelstrebor tries to avoid any company that tries to tell him what he should believe/accept/tolerate
[16:11] <eelstrebor> us old guys aren't politically "correct"
[16:11] <leftyfb> eelstrebor: lets not
[16:13] <seni> if when looking up a BusID, and it says `00000000:42:00.0`, does that mean in xorg.conf I should set it as `PCI:42:0:0` ?
[16:16] <rany> Hi, I install Ubuntu Server 18.04 and every-time I try to change the hostname it reverts back. Can someone help me fix that?
[16:16] <rany> installed *
[16:17] <oerheks> rany, how do you change hostname? hostnamectl or the old way editting 2 files?
[16:17] <leftyfb> ranyhttps://linuxconfig.org/how-to-change-hostname-on-ubuntu-18-04-bionic-beaver-linux
[16:17] <leftyfb> rany: first result on google for "ubuntu 18.04 set hostname"
[16:18] <rany> oerheks: I changed the hostname via hostnamectl but it reverts back
[16:18] <rany> leftyfb: That didn't work for me
[16:18] <gnulligan> eelstrebor: isn't firefox more "politically correct" than even google?
[16:18] <MibixFox> leftyfb:  i figured it out, im a moron
[16:18] <MibixFox> :D
[16:18] <oerheks> with " sudo hostnamectl set-hostname <name>" it should stick
[16:19] <leftyfb> rany: there's more to it than hostnamectl in that article
[16:19] <rany> oerheks: but something keeps reverting it :/
[16:20] <rany> It turns out to be cloud-init which is preinstalled on Ubuntu 18.04; https://askubuntu.com/questions/1028633/host-name-reverts-to-old-name-after-reboot-in-18-04-lts
[16:20] <gnulligan> hey guys when I try to install xubuntu it just shows a black screen and nothing else
[16:20] <gnulligan> :/
[16:20] <gnulligan> it gets to a grub prompt, I select "Install Xubuntu"
[16:20] <gnulligan> and black
[16:21] <andrew> i
[16:21] <leftyfb> rany: which was mentioned in the article I gave you which was the first result on google
[16:21] <gnulligan> but, when I select "check disk for errors" the error check works fine
[16:21] <oerheks> rany, har har, that is WSL ..
[16:21] <leftyfb> oerheks: 18.04 server installs cloud-init now
[16:21] <gnulligan> and the error check display is perfect, even detecting my second monitor
[16:22] <rany>  Oh, thanks :D
[16:22] <gnulligan> I tried editing the options for the "Install Xubuntu" entry in grub and removing "quiet", but it still just shows a black screen, no text
[16:25] <oerheks> i read > Virtualization: microsoft
[16:32] <pewds11> hey, how do I install hexchat on ubuntu via the terminal? I tried following some guide on the internet but it seems outdated and stuff
[16:33] <oerheks> sudo apt-get install hexchat .. any guide will tell the same i guess
[16:33] <nacc> pewds11: what version of ubuntu?
[16:33] <pewds11> umm 18.04
[16:34] <gnulligan> nomodeset worked
[16:34] <gnulligan> btw does "download updates while installing" ever cause system instability later?
[16:34] <gnulligan> I've heard one guy say not to use that option because it can be less stable than updating afterwards
[16:34] <oerheks> gnulligan, no.
[16:34] <gnulligan> ok cool
[16:35] <pewds11> oerheks : the guide then states to type this into the terminal sudo add-apt-repository ppa:gwendal-lebihan-dev/hexchat-stable
[16:35] <oerheks> carefull with PPA's, support by the maintainer only
[16:36] <oerheks> and that guide is old, no packages for bionic, see >>  https://launchpad.net/~gwendal-lebihan-dev/+archive/ubuntu/hexchat-stable
[16:37] <nacc> !info hexchat bionic | pewds11
[16:38] <pewds11> oerheks : I'm sorry I don't understand what that means..What should I do next?. The terminal throws the same syntax as mentioned in that launchpad link
[16:39] <nacc> pewds11: what did you try, exactly? use a pastebin
[16:40] <pewds11> nacc : https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/ZMxDs7wKY5/  I tried running this after running the sudo apt install hexchat command
[16:41] <oerheks> ctrl c, ofcourse
[16:41] <oerheks> and just use the install command given earlier
[16:42] <martinj> help
[16:42] <martinj> ?
[16:42] <martinj> test
[16:42] <tomreyn> !ask | martinj
[16:44] <pewds11> oerheks : Ah so just this command : sudo apt install hexchat  ?
[16:45] <oerheks> yes, very good
[16:46] <pewds11> oerheks : Thanks a lot!
[16:46] <oerheks> have fun!
[16:50] <pinedart> Hey all, is there a way to get the hardening-includes package installed on bionic?  Looks like the last version it was included in was xenial.  I'm running the ubuntu docker image.
[16:54] <oerheks> pinedart, you mean hardening-includes ?
[16:54] <pinedart> Yeah looks like the last version to include it is Yes
[16:54] <pinedart> oops
[16:54] <pinedart> I mean "yes"
[16:55] <oerheks> not sure it is out for Bionic 18.04 .. https://packages.ubuntu.com/source/xenial/hardening-wrapper
[16:56] <oerheks> ah, answer https://askubuntu.com/questions/921113/what-happened-to-package-hardening-includes-in-ubuntu-17-04
[16:56] <oerheks> obsolete
[16:56] <pinedart> thanks, I should've googled harder :)
[16:56] <oerheks> np, not easy to find the answer, but you have a clue now
[16:59] <nacc> pinedart: oerheks http://pad.lv/u/hardening-wrapper -> publishing history -> LP: #1620313
[16:59] <nacc> oerheks: i would argue it's quite easy :)
[17:07] <gnulligan> hey so I'm having hardware support issues with xubuntu on a ryzen 2400g
[17:07] <gnulligan> I'd like to update to the most recent kernel
[17:08] <gnulligan> it's already fully updated, but it doesn't detect my second display and needs nomodeset, among other things
[17:09] <gnulligan> is the best way with sudo apt-get dist-upgrade?
[17:13] <nacc> gnulligan: what version of xubuntu?
[17:13] <nacc> gnulligan: there is no reason, imo, in general use to not use apt-get dist-upgrade / apt full-upgrade. All that does is allow apt to potentially remove packages in order to upgrade others.
[17:13] <gnulligan> 18.04, and I just tried it, sudo apt-get dist-upgrade will only update gnome
[17:13] <gnulligan> well, libgoa
[17:14] <nacc> gnulligan: when you say "most recent kernel", what do you mean?
[17:14] <oerheks> ryzen 2400G .. kernel 4.16 has fixes for that one.. too new hardware
[17:14] <gnulligan> well I'm using a ryzen 5 2400g
[17:15] <gnulligan> ^
[17:15] <nacc> oerheks: gnulligan: ah i see
[17:15] <nacc> gnulligan: you could try the mainline PPA, is that what you mean?
[17:15] <nacc> !mainline
[17:15] <gnulligan> that's what I needed!
[17:15] <oerheks> :-)
[17:15] <gnulligan> let me see if its in the software center, brbr
[17:15] <nacc> gnulligan: note, not supported, etc.
[17:16] <oerheks> carefull with the order of kernel parts you install, but you should be oke
[17:17] <gnulligan> nacc: the mainline ppa isn't built-in to the software&updates gui :(
[17:17] <nacc> gnulligan: ... of course it's not
[17:17] <nacc> gnulligan: no PPA is
[17:17] <nacc> gnulligan: did you read the wiki page?
[17:17] <gnulligan> nope
[17:17] <nacc> gnulligan: do that first.
[17:20] <gnulligan> what I mean is, it would be nice if the latest kernel didn't need a ppa
[17:20] <nacc> gnulligan: why? it's not supported (even by the kernel team).
[17:20] <nacc> gnulligan: it's exactly why PPAs exist, in fact.
[17:21] <gnulligan> because it's important lol... would this be correct? ppa:kernel-ppa/mainline
[17:22] <nacc> gnulligan: it's really not :)
[17:23] <gnulligan> ok then what's the correct ppa?
[17:23] <nacc> gnulligan: i meant, it's really not important.
[17:23] <gnulligan> I found ppa:kernel-ppa/pre-proposed
[17:23] <nacc> gnulligan: i'm not 100% sure it's an actual ppa like that.
[17:23] <nacc> gnulligan: did you read the wiki page?
[17:24] <gnulligan> yes :)
[17:24] <gnulligan> lol read a wiki page to add a ppa
[17:24] <oerheks> mainline is not a ppa, you need to install manually, and look for updates yourself
[17:24] <nacc> gnulligan: it doesn't tell you to add a ppa.
[17:25] <gnulligan> so is it ppa:kernel-ppa/pre-proposed or ppa:kernel-ppa/mainline?
[17:25] <nacc> gnulligan: so, i'm not convinced you read it.
[17:25] <nacc> gnulligan: start at "How do I install an upstream kernel?" and do the steps one by one.
[17:27] <oerheks> next Cosmis is still @ 4.15 , so running that beta would do no more than you have now
[17:27] <nacc> yeah it's a bit early in the cycle for the kernel to have changed
[17:31] <gnulligan> are the odd-numbered kernels still unstable?
[17:33] <nacc> gnulligan: that hasn't been true for a long time.
[17:34] <oerheks> that was true up to 2.6.x ??
[17:34] <nacc> iirc, yeah
[17:35] <oerheks> something changed, development - stable <to> stable - LTS
[17:36] <oerheks> reading this https://www.linux.com/learn/understanding-stable-linux-kernel
[17:36] <oerheks> and https://askubuntu.com/a/843198
[17:40] <takeme> chmod -x run  <— i can’t change attribute, what’s wrong?
[17:46] <nacc> takeme: what happens when you try? you haven't given us enough info to help you
[17:47] <takeme> another channel help me already
[17:47] <takeme> thanks
[17:52] <gnulligan> isn't there a certain order the .deb packages need to be installed in for the kernel to be installed correctly? Or does order only apply to the patches?
[17:53] <gnulligan> the wiki page doesn't mention patches, but they're at the top of the link it provides for the .deb packages
[17:53] <oerheks> gnulligan, yes, see the A and B part
[17:53] <gnulligan> oerheks: ok so the order only applies to the patches?
[17:54] <oerheks> reallly, that wiki is straight forward
[17:54] <oerheks> there are no patches, just kernel parts
[17:54] <gnulligan> it says "download kernel files" and gives a link
[17:55] <nacc> gnulligan: yes, and that link is a list of directories
[17:55] <gnulligan> ohhh
[17:55] <gnulligan> wait
[17:55] <gnulligan> nacc: thanks for the tip
[17:55] <gnulligan> ok so the patches are for the source only
[17:55] <gnulligan> got it
[17:55] <lordtolstoi> hello
[17:56] <lordtolstoi> how to grup more than 10 items on de bar /.
[17:56] <leftyfb> lordtolstoi: what?
[17:56] <lordtolstoi> im using linux mint
[17:56] <leftyfb> !mint | lordtolstoi
[17:56] <blaster> Is there a way to schedule package upgrades automatically for a remote web server or would that be problematic in some way?
[17:56] <nacc> blaster: unattended-upgrades
[17:57] <nacc> blaster: and it can be problematic, depending on what you have installed, etc.
[17:57] <nacc> blaster: but in principle, if you trust the distro and stick to regular ubuntu packages, it should be safe
[17:58] <oerheks> lordtolstoi, mint is not supported, but this guide should work .. https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2017/04/add-app-folders-gnome-shell-overview if not, install ubuntu please, and you can do it.
[17:58] <ewart> how can i put this line in a shell script sudo find /tmp -name "*.tgz*" -exec rm -f {} \;
[17:58] <ewart> i get an  unexpected char: '\'
[17:59] <hggdh> ewart: you were using it in a find command, right?
[17:59] <hggdh> like -exec ...
[17:59] <ewart> hggdh: yes
[17:59] <hggdh> wait
[17:59] <qwebirc16142> Hey so I have Ubuntu server 16.04 and I'm getting an email from cron daemon to an email address that I'm not sure how it got. It's sending it to a group at work and I'd like to make it just email me. I just can't figure out how it got the group email unless I put it in somewhere when I first set up the server. Does 16.04 setup ask for an email anywhere?
[17:59] <hggdh> my bad, missed the full command
[18:00] <leftyfb> qwebirc16142: sudo grep -R EMAIL@ADDRESS /etc/
[18:01] <lordtolstoi> oerheks: not in a folder i dont whant to i whant it on menu bar gruped like txt files in windows xp
[18:01] <nacc> lordtolstoi: mint is not supported here.
[18:01] <qwebirc16142> leftyfb: Thanks!.. nothing in there
[18:02] <leftyfb> qwebirc16142: then look at the cronjob or in your MTA's settings/aliases for an email address/user that forwards somewhere else
[18:02] <hggdh> ewart: sorry, cannot reproduce
[18:03] <ewart> i am getting an unxpected char: \ error when i put in a shell script
[18:03] <ewart> find /tmp -name "*.tgz*" -exec rm -f {} \;
[18:03] <ewart> how can i make sure to run this
[18:03] <hggdh> ewart: put the shell and the execution of it in a pastebin
[18:09] <Comnenus> I'm looking at the systemd-machine-id-commit.service file, and it looks like it should work, but at boot it is not generating /etc/machine-id.  Anybody know why, or if there is another way to do this?
[18:11] <oerheks> new to me .. http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/bionic/man8/systemd-machine-id-commit.service.8.html
[18:12] <nacc> Comnenus: what does `systemctl status systemd-machine-id-commit` say?
[18:12] <nacc> Comnenus: https://www.freedesktop.org/software/systemd/man/systemd-machine-id-commit.service.html -- i'm not sure it's used typically
[18:12] <Comnenus> nacc: condition failed, ConditionPathIsMount=/etc/machine-id was not met.
[18:13] <nacc> Comnenus: and did you look, do you hve an /etc/machine-id file?
[18:13] <Comnenus> nacc: I deleted it because I want it to generate a new one at boot, this is going to be a VM template
[18:13] <nacc> Comnenus: (note file, not directory)
[18:14] <Comnenus> I'm used to RHEL so it could be that ubuntu just wants to do this a different way.
[18:14] <Comnenus> but I'm not finding much on google at all.
[18:14] <nacc> Comnenus: did you read `man machine-id `?
[18:15] <nacc> Comnenus: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/wwd6g76yzw/
[18:16] <Comnenus> ah.  thank you.
[18:16] <nacc> Comnenus: and later in the manpage, it explains how its done
[18:18] <qwebirc16142> leftyfb: Thanks!.. that helped. I looked in the postfix log and it was mailing root@mydomain and root is an alias for our group.
[18:19] <nacc> that seem like a terrible alias.
[18:19]  * leftyfb sigh
[18:19] <leftyfb> I'm just now learning /etc/machine-id is a thing
[18:20] <nacc> pretty sure it was there in 16.04, leftyfb :)
[18:20] <leftyfb> the amount of things I learn that I don't know grows on an almost daily basis
[18:20] <leftyfb> nacc: it is
[18:20] <moffa> Anyone know how to fix zfs-dkms?  It causes the kernel module build to hang
[18:20] <nacc> leftyfb: nothing wrong with a TIL moment on a friday! :)
[18:22] <oerheks> moffa, explain with more details?
[18:22] <moffa> After upgrading it, apt hangs on builiding inital kernel module
[18:24] <moffa> "Building initial module for 4.15.0-23-generic" for the past 15 minutes
[18:24] <ioria> moffa, secure boot enabled ?
[18:25] <blackflow> moffa: which ubuntu is that?
[18:25] <ioria> moffa, mokutil --sb-state
[18:26] <moffa> it says SecureBoot disabled
[18:26] <moffa> Running ubuntu 18.04
[18:26] <ioria> moffa, i'd check the bios, just to be sure
[18:27] <blackflow> moffa: what's teh reason you're installing zfs-dkms? ZFS modules are in the regular kernel package on bionic
[18:28] <moffa> I dunno, I must have installed it for some reason.. I htink it wasn't auto detecting before
[18:28] <blackflow> moffa: you don't need it on bionic. only zfsutils-linux
[18:29] <moffa> It used to automount, but it doesn't anymore
[18:29] <blackflow> moffa: automount what, pools?
[18:29] <moffa> Yes, automount pools
[18:29] <moffa> I think I must have it installed from before xenial.
[18:30] <blackflow> moffa: clear out the /etc/fs/zpool.cache and import the pools again
[18:30] <blackflow> moffa: /etc/zfs/zpool.cache    sory, typo.
[18:30] <moffa> doesn't exist.. maybe that's why?
[18:31] <blackflow> moffa: right, so runnig zpool import should create it
[18:31] <blackflow> moffa: you could also try force the cachefile=/etc/zfs/zpool.cache option on the pool.
[18:32] <moffa> how do I set the mount point? /etc/fstab?
[18:32] <moffa> I uncommented the cache line in /etc/default/zfs
[18:33] <blackflow> moffa: no, with dataset option 'mountpoint'
[18:33] <blackflow> moffa: ZFS doesn't use fstab except for legacy mount modes
[18:35] <moffa> Umm zpool import can find my zfs, but zfs can't find it...
[18:35] <blackflow> moffa: can you pastebin the command and error message?
[18:36] <moffa> I'm just having a senior moment... zpool import shows my pool, how do I get the mountpoint?  zfs get poolname/mountpoint
[18:36] <FroMaster> Current xenial HWE kernel is 4.13.0-45-generic #50~16.04.1 but the Ubuntu Kernel Git shows HWE as Ubuntu-hwe-4.15.0-24.26~16.04.1 (https://git.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-kernel/ubuntu/+source/linux/+git/xenial/log/?h=hwe)
[18:37] <blackflow> moffa: mountpoint is for datasets, not pools
[18:37] <FroMaster> Any idea why there is a discrepancy? How do I install the 4.15.0-24 kernel?
[18:39] <moffa> FroMaster apt install linux-image-generic shoud install 4.15.0.23.25
[18:40] <nacc> moffa: not on xenial
[18:40] <ioria> that willinstall the 4.4 kernel
[18:40] <moffa> oops sorry
[18:40] <ioria> !info  linux-image-generic xenial
[18:41] <nacc> !info inux-image-generic-hwe-16.04 xenial
[18:41] <nacc> FroMaster: --^
[18:41] <moffa> yes sorry you are right
[18:43] <FroMaster> nacc: On https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-kernel/ubuntu/+source/linux/+git/xenial it shows HWE as Ubuntu-hwe-4.15.0-24.26~16.04.1
[18:43] <nacc> FroMaster: you'd nee dto use -edge
[18:43] <nacc> FroMaster: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/LTSEnablementStack
[18:44] <nacc> FroMaster: 16.04.4 is the current latest, which is 4.13 based. When 18.04.1 comes out, 16.04.5 will as well, iirc
[18:44] <FroMaster> nacc: I'm familiar with the article... Take a look at this link https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-kernel/ubuntu/+source/linux/+git/xenial
[18:45] <FroMaster> It show hwe as a newer kernel than hwe-edge
[18:46] <nacc> FroMaster: why does that matter to you as the end user?
[18:47] <qwebirc49035> I can’t create a user after I installed ubuntu
[18:47] <nacc> qwebirc49035: pretty sure you know the drill. what did you try to do, what happened, etc.
[18:47] <nacc> qwebirc49035: use a pastebin, as well
[18:47] <FroMaster> nacc: The code fix I'm looking for is in 4.15.0-24.26
[18:47] <qwebirc49035> It asks for username and password then i get rejected
[18:48] <qwebirc49035> Cant go in as a live session either
[18:48] <eckomute> Is there much of a performance impact of keeping linux /boot on a separate usb or ssd drive?
[18:48] <FroMaster> nacc: I'm already on `linux-generic-hwe-16.04` but the code fix isn't going into 4.13. Only 4.4 and 4.15. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1768143
[18:48] <nacc> eckomute: unlikely
[18:49] <nacc> FroMaster: it's in xenial-proposed.
[18:49] <oerheks> eckomute, on an usb device, sure
[18:49] <nacc> FroMaster: again, stop looking at the git tree. look at the archive.
[18:49] <nacc> qwebirc49035: ok, so you ignored what i said.
[18:49] <nacc> qwebirc49035: what is "it"?
[18:49] <eckomute> Thanks nacc. From my understanding, /boot is called and released pretty quickly in the startup process, correct?
[18:49] <nacc> eckomute: well, /boot isn't "called"; it's a filesystem location. The kernel and initrd are loaded into memory, yes.
[18:50] <FroMaster> nacc: I'm not certain what you mean by archive. Do you mean https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/
[18:50] <nacc> eckomute: i'm not sure *why* you'd put /boot on a different disk, but that's up to you
[18:50] <nacc> FroMaster: i mean where you get pacakges from.
[18:50] <nacc> FroMaster: stop looking at the source, it's not relevant to getting a pacakge onto your system.
[18:51] <nacc> FroMaster: you want linux-image-generic-hwe-16.04-edge from xenial-proposed. Are you testing the bugfix specifically?
[18:51] <eckomute> nacc, I'm doing multiple distros + Windows, trying to use a whole ssd for zfsonlinux root
[18:52] <FroMaster> nacc: I want to test that kernel version to see if it resolve a specific issue I'm having.
[18:52] <davenx> mee too
[18:52] <nacc> FroMaster: then read the bug you posted.
[18:53] <nacc> FroMaster: which tells you how to test it
[18:53] <nacc> FroMaster: again, i don't know why you looked at the Git source or the source package links
[18:53] <eckomute> I figure that if I have 3 ssds, I can use one for /boot to keep my drive free for zfs root. I am also curious about usb /boot. I like that idea, but figure there would be more performance loss than another ssd drive.
[18:53] <nacc> eckomute: using an entire ssd for /boot seems really silly
[18:54] <eckomute> Thanks to oerheks, my usb assumption seems to be verified.
[18:54] <blackflow> eckomute: you're planning to use the whole ssd, unpartitionied for zfs?
[18:54] <eckomute> No, not using the whole drive for boot. I'll have a linux os on it. Likely ubuntu.
[18:54] <blackflow> *unpartitioned
[18:55] <FroMaster> nacc: I started at the git tree to see if the driver had been updated and worked backwards to find which versions it was being included in. I found the bug article last. Just trying to connect the dots.
[18:55] <eckomute> blackflow: I think so, yes. zfs root for the whole drive.
[18:55] <eckomute> uefi/gpt
[18:55] <blackflow> eckomute: don't. partition it first, which means you can put /boot there just fine
[18:56] <nacc> FroMaster: i see
[18:56] <Industrial> Hi.
[18:56] <eckomute> blackflow: From my understanding, zfs works better if it's given a whole disk, no? Why partition first?
[18:56] <SeTunTun> hello, i updated my ubuntu 14.04 machine today (i mean a daily update not a system update) and it does not boot
[18:57] <Industrial> Can I somehow get Docker to make files that are accessible to my user?
[18:57] <Industrial> Right now some files like libraries that get pulled in are made on disk by the root user
[18:57] <SeTunTun> it is stuck in the "ubuntu" screen. Can anybody help me?
[18:57] <Industrial> due to docker compose volumes
[18:57] <blackflow> eckomute: no. it'll also partition it for you, if you don't, so better make the layout that you want
[18:58] <nacc> Industrial: perhaps you want #docker?
[18:58] <blackflow> eckomute: zfs benefits from direct access to disks as opposed to hardware raid'ed ones.
[18:58] <ioria> SeTunTun, can you open a console ? ctrl+alt+f1
[18:58] <davenx> hi
[18:58] <eckomute> blackflow: What's the downside of using the whole disk for zfs with the /boot on another ssd?
[18:58] <Industrial> nacc: docker is a daemon right so it's the root user.
[18:58] <davenx> can anyone solve issue about Handshake SSL
[18:58] <davenx> ?
[18:58] <blackflow> eckomute: like I said, ZFS will partition that disk anyway, if you don't first
[18:58] <nacc> Industrial: you want #docker
[18:59] <blackflow> eckomute: so the downside is completely unnecessary complexity
[18:59] <Industrial> nacc: Can I change how ubuntu runs a service? Can I tell my ubuntu system to run the deocker service under my own user (tom) and not root?
[19:00] <Industrial> nacc: see what I did there :-D
[19:00] <nikki_s-00> eckomute: boot can go onto a usb stick. it is you choice!
[19:00] <Industrial> It's ubuntu specific now xD
[19:00] <nacc> Industrial: i think you are confusing who runs the docker service with what your user is in the docker container
[19:00] <Industrial> no. It's the user on my host system that runs dockerd
[19:00] <nacc> Industrial: again, you want #docker
[19:00] <santosh> What is the best sftp client with GUI?
[19:00] <Industrial> that dockerd is creating files on disk with the root user
[19:01] <oerheks> santosh, there is no single best, filezilla is opensource
[19:01] <Industrial> am I going to ask #docker how ubuntu starts services?
[19:01] <blackflow> santosh: filezilla supports sftp
[19:01] <ioria> santosh, you can use sftp + nautilus
[19:01] <Industrial> the docker part is fine. it runs okay
[19:01] <eckomute> blackflow: doesn't allowing zfs to partition the whole disk help align it correctly? A few of the guides suggested that this was the case, so switched from my first route that followed what you are suggesting now.
[19:02] <blackflow> eckomute: align it at 1MB boundary and you're set
[19:02] <blackflow> eckomute: and you can force ashift, eg. if you want 4k sectors on a 512b drive
[19:03] <SeTunTun> Is there any problem with the updates today?
[19:03] <nacc> Industrial: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/27925006/using-host-environment-variables-with-dockerfile
[19:03] <nacc> Industrial: i'm fairly sure this is a #docker thing, unrelated to ubuntu
[19:04] <eckomute> blackflow: Ok, I'll look into it further, thanks blackflow (and others) for your input
[19:05] <oerheks> likely there are no known issues, SeTunTun
[19:06] <oerheks> how does updates affect you?
[19:06] <Industrial> nacc: you are correct:
[19:06] <Industrial> `As of version 0.7.3, Docker doesn't use "user namespaces" (which would allow to map the root user inside a container to a non-root user on the host). Therefore, if you are root in the container, your file access will happen as root on the host as well!`
[19:06] <nacc> Industrial: so, next time, listen to the advice you are given :)
[19:06] <Industrial> hai o\
[19:07] <FroMaster> nacc: It looks like the code is going into 4.4 and 4.15 not 4.13. Since I'm already on linux-generic-hwe-16.04, I'll either need to roll back to get 4.4 or go to linux-generic-hwe-16.04-edge to get 4.15?
[19:07] <SeTunTun> Since today's update the computer doesn't boot. I is freezed in the ubuntu screen.
[19:07] <nacc> FroMaster: did you read my messages earlier? I told you exactly what you need to do.
[19:08] <SeTunTun> i can access the terminal by ctrl+alt+f1 but i don't know what to do. I am screwed
[19:08] <nacc> FroMaster: the fix is only in xenial-proposed, as is quite clear in the bug (not yet Fix Released).
[19:08] <Bashing-om> SeTunTun: Tried booting an older kernel from the grub boot menu ?
[19:08] <FroMaster> nacc: I did. I'm referring to when it goes from `proposed` to `updates`
[19:08] <SeTunTun> oops sorry nacc, I didn't  see it. one moment
[19:09] <uebera||> Hi. Is it possible to obtain the original script which is used to build the daily Live CD at http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/
[19:09] <uebera||> ?
[19:09] <nacc> FroMaster: yes, you'd need to be on -edge to get the fix until 16.04.5 comes out, or go back to the 4.4 kernel.
[19:09] <nacc> SeTunTun: sorry? I didn't send any messages to you
[19:10] <SeTunTun> what a mess nacc :S
[19:10] <ioria> FroMaster, what's your kernel atm ?
[19:11] <FroMaster> ioria, 4.13.0-45-generic #50~16.04.1
[19:11] <ioria> FroMaster, cat /etc/issue
[19:12] <FroMaster> ioria, Ubuntu 16.04.4 LTS
[19:12] <ioria> FroMaster, why are you on that kernel  ?
[19:12] <ioria> FroMaster, have you run  sudo apt full-upgrade ?
[19:14] <nacc> ioria: that's the current hwe kernel
[19:14] <nacc> ioria: 4.15 is in -edge
[19:15] <ioria> nacc, now xenial is .5  with 4.15 kern ..
[19:15] <nacc> ioria: no it's not? 16.04.5 will come out after 18.04.1, afaik
[19:15] <ioria> nacc, oh, right
[19:16] <nacc> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/XenialXerus/ReleaseSchedule august or so
[19:16] <nacc> ioria: it's the only time that's the case :)
[19:16] <Goop> Yo, I'm trying to play Minecraft (a Java game) on an Ubuntu server. I was able to VNC into the server, but the game crashes because it doesn't see a screen to use.
[19:16] <ioria> nacc, yep
[19:16] <Goop> How do I fix this?
[19:17]  * oerheks scratches head: vnc on server 
[19:18] <oerheks> vnc server on ubuntu server?
[19:18] <Goop> oerheks, yeah
[19:19] <Goop> Well, it's turned into a server/desktop at this point now.
[19:19] <Goop> I have no physical access, it's all remote.
[19:20] <leftyfb> Goop: what is this server used for?
[19:20] <Goop> I'm trying to play games on the server. 4 cores, 9gb of RAM.
[19:21] <leftyfb> Goop: what is it's purpose other than that?
[19:21] <oerheks> i think you need to domething with vfb, virtual frame buffer
[19:22] <Goop> I've got a friend with a horrible computer, and wanted him to play a game with me.
[19:22] <leftyfb> Goop: so you pay a monthly fee so a friend can play a game with you?
[19:23] <Goop> Google Cloud, free $300 bucks. I don't care.
[19:23] <Goop> so, "yes" I "pay" a monthly fee.
[19:24] <leftyfb> Goop: you know a $35 Rasppberry Pi 3 quad core comes with Minecraft right?
[19:24] <Goop> leftyfb, yes, that is exactly what my friend has. I want him to get on some beefy modpacks, but I need Minecraft vanilla to work first.
[19:25] <leftyfb> Goop: run the proper desktop on the remote ubuntu server
[19:25] <leftyfb> not just through VNC
[19:25] <Goop> How do I connect to the desktop then?
[19:26] <oerheks> tons of minecraft server howtos, vnc would take away much bandwidth and cpu power on your slow machine
[19:26] <Sven_vB> I'm looking for a PDF viewer for Ubuntu trusty that can select columns; i.e. copy all text blocks that do not exceed the left or right boundary of my rectangular selection. any suggestions?
[19:27] <Goop> 4 cores, 9GB of RAM on a server-grade internet connection. Easily 100mbit per second either way.
[19:27] <Goop> Sven_vB, libreoffice calc. PDF is an inappropriate file to use for columns.
[19:28] <Sven_vB> Goop, unfortunately the ebook I'm trying to copy from is provided as PDF only.
[19:29] <Sven_vB> and badly formatted PDF, as usual on the web
[19:29] <Ben64> Goop: use ssh, don't use gui at all
[19:29] <Goop> Sven_vB, okay. Can you copy all the columns? If you can copy columns, I would recommend copying all the columns and paste them into a spreadsheet software and manipulate your cells from the spreadsheet.
[19:29] <Goop> Ben64, how do I play Minecraft on SSH?
[19:29] <Ben64> you don't, you run the server that way
[19:30] <nacc> Ben64: their specific problem is trying to connect a client to a remote system playing minecraft
[19:30] <Ben64> ah, i misunderstood
[19:30] <nacc> an underpowered client, that is
[19:30] <Ben64> well, that's impossible
[19:31] <Sven_vB> Goop, if I copy all columns, or even just more than one paragraph, paragraphs are ordered left-to-right, then top-to-bottom, with pullquotes mixed in between. I'd prefer text blocks to be ordered top-to-bottom first, then left-to-right, and pullquotes ignored.
[19:33] <Sven_vB> Goop, do you have a good enough overview of PDF readers available that I should conclude to use Adobe Reader in wine then? ;)
[19:34] <Goop> I no understanding of PDF. I just figured I'd try to help you out. I come in here to ask for help all the time, and you can only get out of a system what you put in, so I figure I should put in some help too.
[19:34] <Sven_vB> hehe ok, thanks for trying!
[19:34] <Goop> Can you copy the PDF into another software and try organizing it the way you want?
[19:35] <Goop> I find that PDF isn't very nice, and there are nicer software to manipulate text/format with.
[19:35] <Sven_vB> too labor-intensive.
[19:35] <Sven_vB> yeah well, I'm trying to get the text out of the PDF exactly for that reason, to use it in a better software. :)
[19:35] <Goop> What is your purpose? Are you trying to display it to someone else, submit data, or try to take notes for yourself?
[19:36] <Sven_vB> I'm trying to read a brochure
[19:36] <Sven_vB> it's obviously optimized for being read visually, not for extracting text in a sensible manner.
[19:36] <jluc> Sven_vB, your issue depends on the PDF itself more than on the reader
[19:37] <jluc> PDF can describes the page in different ways
[19:37] <Goop> Sven_vB, would you give us an image of what you are talking about?
[19:37] <nacc> Sven_vB: if all youre trying to do is 'read' it, and it's optimized for reading, what exactly is the problem?
[19:37] <jluc> depending on the way the columns are described you can or cannot select the text properly
[19:37] <Goop> left-to-right, you're talking about a core problem in English.
[19:37] <jluc> it relies mostly on the tool that created the PDF
[19:38] <Goop> core system of English*
[19:38] <jluc> whether Word, openoffice, scribus, quarkxpress, indeseign etc
[19:38] <Sven_vB> nacc, I'm trying to read the text with text software, not read it visually.
[19:38] <jluc> what might help is to crop the columns Sven_vB
[19:39] <jluc> into 2 PDFs
[19:39] <jluc> but itll take time
[19:39] <jluc> unless you automate this with pdftk
[19:39] <jluc> but then itll take time to write and debug the script
[19:40] <Sven_vB> jluc, well the default PDF reader (I wish gnome would make it easier to determine the actual program names) can select all the text blocks, and it correctly identifies their geometry, so if it could now apply the rules I suggested above to omit some of the paragraphs, it could actually help me deal with other people's PDF messup.
[19:40] <Sven_vB> yeah that may be a work-around, although I doubt it will help against the pullquotes
[19:41] <jluc> there are scripts to export PDF text as text also
[19:41] <jluc> not script but tools
[19:42] <Sven_vB> in a world where most PDFs are produced by people who barely know how it works, I think it's a bad idea for PDF viewers to exclusively rely on authors. :P
[19:43] <jluc> PDFs are meant for viewers
[19:43] <Sven_vB> so it looks like I'm the first Ubuntu person to be struck by that problem bad enough to fix it. which existing PDF viewer has the least messy codebase? :D
[19:45] <jluc> you're not the first computer user to think they are the first to think their tool is messy
[19:45] <Sven_vB> I know, it's one of the reasons I'm a UX evangelist.
[19:56] <Sven_vB> meh. old Adobe Reader is insecure and modern Adobe Reader is a hassle to use. :(
[19:56] <Sven_vB> what are your favorite PDF viewers for Ubuntu?
[19:56] <Jonta> Evince
[19:57] <Sven_vB> now I remember that name, that's the default one I'm currently using, too.
[19:58] <CookieM> for me, it’s Okular, for its excessive customisation options
[19:59] <Sven_vB> I'll try that one.
[20:03] <Sven_vB> bullseye! its text selection tool does the trick.
[20:03] <Sven_vB> thanks!
[20:04] <qwebirc82291> Hi, I need a bit of direction here, is there a particular version of ubuntu built to be booted from usb and test the hardware of a pc, last week my pc started crashing every few minutes, and a slight misunderstanding of 'select partition 4'  followed by 'clean', resulted in my harddisk being, well, cleaned. Multiple failed installs from usb resulting [Ernno 5], is there any particular version of ubuntu or alternative that you w
[20:05] <Jonta> qwebirc82291: You were cut off at "that you w" there
[20:05] <Sven_vB> Okular is so neat I wish there was a windows version so I could recommend it to some windows inmates.
[20:06] <oerheks> there is no special build of ubuntu to test hardware
[20:07] <qwebirc82291> ..that you would recommend for testing hardware, thanks
[20:07] <qwebirc82291> cheers
[20:08] <oerheks> https://fossbytes.com/best-computer-diagnostic-tools-for-windows-and-ubuntu/
 cheers, I'll check out checkbox
[20:16] <Sven_vB> is there a way to move okular's sidebar to the right?
[20:24] <Guest94225> hi, I need to edit a file via nano as root.. however when I open it via sudo (sudo nano /path/to/file), I can't see any content in the file.. when I use reguler user only
[20:24] <Guest94225> (nano /path/to/file) it works but I obviously can't save the file...)
[20:24] <nacc> Guest94225: are you 100% sure the path isn't typod?
[20:25] <Guest94225> nacc: yes
[20:25] <nacc> Guest94225: you could check with /bin/cat maybe?
[20:25] <Guest94225> nacc: also it doesn't work when I log into the root account
[20:25] <nacc> Guest94225: feel free to pastebin the result using cat
[20:25] <Kartagis> hi
[20:26] <Guest94225> nacc: cat works normally for that file
[20:26] <Kartagis> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/2QZBHxnrZq/ why is this?
[20:26] <nacc> Guest94225: hrm
[20:26] <Guest94225> nacc: it's apache conf file in /etc/apache2/sites-enabled
[20:26] <nacc> Kartagis: group membership does not change until you logout/login
[20:26] <Guest94225> nacc: nothing unusual about that file
[20:26] <nacc> Kartagis: if you run `sudo login` and login in your temrinal, you can test that the new groups are set
[20:27] <nacc> Guest94225: just to sanity check, try a different editor? vi, etc.
[20:27] <oerheks> Kartagis,  use the group-id perhaps?
[20:28] <Guest94225> nacc: Found a swap file by the name ".d.conf.swp"
[20:28] <Guest94225>           owned by: root   dated: Fri Jun 22 20:06:44 2018
[20:28] <Guest94225>          [cannot be read]
[20:28] <Guest94225> While opening file "d.conf"
[20:28] <Guest94225>              dated: Fri Jun 22 20:16:59 2018
[20:28] <Guest94225>       NEWER than swap file!
[20:28] <Kartagis> nacc: I'm not talking about that. ubuntu says dev is not a member of 8.webcinizim.com although it is
[20:28] <nacc> Kartagis: is it actually though?
[20:29] <Kartagis> id says so
[20:29] <nacc> Kartagis: grep 8.webcinizm.com /etc/groups
[20:29] <nacc> Kartagis: again, `id` is not updated until you logout and login, afaik
[20:29] <nacc> Kartagis: you are still in that group in the currently logged in session
[20:29] <Kartagis> nacc: yes it exists
[20:30] <Kartagis> nacc: I logged out and back in
[20:31] <nacc> Kartagis: what does `groups` say?
[20:32] <nacc> Guest94225: so you already tried opening it with vi (or have it already opened)?
[20:32] <Kartagis> nacc: dev 8.webcinizim.com
[20:32] <nacc> Kartagis: oh, i don't think you can remove the only group a user is a member of
[20:32] <nacc> maybe?
[20:33] <Kartagis> nacc: I tried later too
[20:33] <nacc> Kartagis: tried "later"?
[20:33] <Kartagis> later than I added dev user to dev group
[20:34] <Guest94225> nacc: yeah I deleted the swap file and it works
[20:34] <nacc> Guest94225: ok, so as root you can use vi? quit out of vi, and does nano work now?
[20:34] <nacc> Kartagis: and you loggedout and in again?
[20:34] <Kartagis> yes
[20:34] <Guest94225> nacc: yes nano works after I deleted the swap file
[20:35] <nacc> Kartagis: can you pastebin?
[20:35] <nacc> Guest94225: ok, it's possible nano was also showing you that messagae, then?
[20:35] <Guest94225> nacc: nano was showing me no error message, but I probably edited it before and forgot about it
[20:36] <nacc> Guest94225: ok, i don't use `nano`, so not sure of its behavior
[20:38] <Kartagis> nacc: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/646RJ7R2cb/
[20:38] <Kartagis> Guest94225: what's the issue?
[20:39] <Kartagis> Guest94225: .file.swp are vim's, not nano's afaik
[20:41] <paraidomat> Hey guys. I'm using a Lenovo E480 (AMD + Intel GPUs) + Type-C docking station and my screen is showing some random pixels + shuts off randomly for a few seconds ... Has anyone an idea what I can to to solve this?
[20:41] <nacc> Kartagis: urgh, that message is terrible
[20:41] <Kartagis> hm, I was wrong, nano makes them too
[20:41] <nacc> Kartagis: took a look in the source, the "is not a member" message occurs when any removal fails (effectively)
[20:41] <nacc> Kartagis: is dev in the shadow group?
[20:44] <nacc> Kartagis: in other words, in the source, that message is printed if the user is not found in *either* /etc/group or /etc/gshadow
[20:44] <nacc> i *think* :)
[20:44] <Kartagis> nacc: no it's not
[20:45] <flugger> https://pastebin.com/quZMnMg6 - is this a sign of a corrupt disk, file system, or just underpowered external usb?
[20:47] <nacc> Kartagis: what version of ubuntu is this?
[20:47] <Kartagis> 18.04
[20:54] <nacc> Kartagis: ok, i just spun up an 18.04 container, added a new user and group (btw, your group name is invalid without --force-badname), switched to the dev user, it was in the group (and in sudo, so i could test like you), sudo gpasswd'd dev out of the group and it succeeded
[20:54] <nacc> Kartagis: so not sure what's up with your system
[20:55] <nacc> Kartagis: and if i try to issue the command again, it does emit the error message
[21:07] <eelstrebor> i've been trying to figure out how to use boot-repair but it keeps giving messages about closing package managers that aren't open - my we searches only talk about issues with dual boot systems (which i'm not doing)
[21:09] <oerheks> maybe unattended updates are waiting, hit the update icon
[21:09] <eelstrebor> this is happening from a live cd
[21:10] <eelstrebor> new install where i want to put grub in a separate /boot partition
[21:11]  * eelstrebor wanted to create f2fs partitions on his ssd but that option is screened out on gparted
[21:13] <ubuntustuxk> Hello! the login screen is frozen on one of the machines
[21:14] <ubuntustuxk> and I don't know how to fix it. ctrl+alt+f2 is not doing athing
[21:14] <ubuntustuxk> and I don't know how to fix it. ctrl+alt+f2 is not doing anything*
[21:19] <skhaen> hi all
[21:19] <Jonta> Hi
[21:19] <paraidomat> hi
[21:21] <skhaen> I just bought un HP omen 15 this afternoon. Ubuntu 18.4 is now installed on it, but it's always freezing on login screen.
[21:21] <skhaen> do you know how I can fix that?
[21:22] <paraidomat> are you still able to move the mouse or is it completely frozen?
[21:22] <skhaen> sometine I can and sometimes I can't
[21:23] <Jonta> What about keyboard input?
[21:23] <paraidomat> mhhhh okay - when you're still able to move the mouse you could try to change to the CLI, logon there, and then try to read some logs or something
[21:24] <skhaen> good point
[21:24] <skhaen> i have a lot of "acpi INT3400:00: Unsupported event [0x86]
[21:26] <eelstrebor> ubuntustuxk, can you ssh into the back computer?
[21:28] <skhaen> if the power is unplugged the error message stop
[21:31] <josteink> Im trying to build a piece of software from source which requires wayland-server 1.15 and wayland-protocols 1.14.
[21:31] <josteink> bionic ships with wayland-server 1.14 and protocols 1.13.
[21:31] <josteink> any "safe" way to get those, and get this to build without breaking my system?
[21:34] <skhaen> Jonta: paraidomat do you have some ideas?
[21:34] <paraidomat> sorry not really ...
[21:35] <Jonta> skhaen: External mouse?
[21:35] <Jonta> Or touchpad?
[21:35] <skhaen> touchpad
[21:36] <Jonta> Hmmm
[21:36] <Jonta> My thought was "how do you know it's frozen?"
[21:36] <Jonta> And if it was an external mouse, that this might be the problem
[21:37] <skhaen> Jonta: mmmh, i can write and i have no pointer? :]
[21:37] <paraidomat> wenn if you can type something the system isn't frozen IMHO
[21:37] <Jonta> Well in that case
[21:37] <paraidomat> maybe you're missing the touchpad driver or something?
[21:38] <paraidomat> do you have a simple USB mouse you could attach?
[21:38] <skhaen> **sometime** i can write 2 or 3 caracters for my password, and it's freeze
[21:38] <skhaen> yes
[21:40] <skhaen> oh sorry, i forgot: when i can login, i have a black screen AND i can move my mouse
[21:40] <skhaen> but i can't join a terminal
[21:44] <oerheks> josteink, build from source, or just jump to cosmic 18.10 Beta.. https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/wayland-protocols
[21:47] <skhaen> maybe the nvidia card ?
[21:49] <nacc> josteink: build it in a container based off cosmic?
[21:49] <qwebirc94172> can anyone describe why my computer is saying 64bit and will install 64bit but when i install 64bit software it wont install and says my cpu is 1386
[21:50] <oerheks> qwebirc94172, that is unlogical
[21:51] <qwebirc94172> what do you mean unlogical?
[21:51] <deusexmachina> are you running a 32 bit installation?
[21:51] <oerheks> one of those statements is not true
[21:51] <qwebirc94172> no 64bit
[21:51] <nacc> qwebirc94172: please pastebin the command you are using and the exact output
[21:51] <nacc> qwebirc94172: as well as `uname -a`
[21:52] <qwebirc94172> Linux sam-SATELLITE-T110 4.15.0-23-generic #25-Ubuntu SMP Wed May 23 18:02:16 UTC 2018 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[21:53] <nacc> qwebirc94172: ok, that's one thing, what about the other?
[21:53] <nacc> !pastebin | qwebirc94172
[21:53] <qwebirc94172> i went to install ubuntu from ubuntu website and it recognizing my pc as 64 bit and gives me a 64bit downlaod iso and i also tried to install steam and it says it wont run because my cpu is 1386
[21:54] <nacc> qwebirc94172: it's a bit hard to follow
[21:54] <nacc> qwebirc94172: ok, you downloaded the iso. Did you install that iso?
[21:54] <qwebirc94172> yes i did
[21:54] <nacc> qwebirc94172: if you did, how did you "[try] to install steam"
[21:54] <nacc>  ?
[21:54] <qwebirc94172> downlaoded the deb file from steam webiste
[21:55] <qwebirc94172> i have 3gb ram and itel celeron cpu
[21:55] <nacc> qwebirc94172: that doesn't install anything
[21:55] <nacc> qwebirc94172: what did you *do*
[21:55] <qwebirc94172> the deb file installed via the software centre
[21:55] <nacc> qwebirc94172: also steam is available from ubuntu
[21:55] <oerheks> oh, steam asks to install some i386 packages, that is correct
[21:55] <oerheks> https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2016/06/install-steam-on-ubuntu-16-04-lts
[21:55] <nacc> you probably have to enable the 32-bit arch
[21:55] <nacc> if you just use the ubuntu pacakge, i believe you don't?
[21:55] <oerheks> it does not say your system is i386 :-D
[21:56] <qwebirc94172> how do i install i386packages
[21:56] <qwebirc94172> steam installation did and so did virualbox
[21:56] <nacc> qwebirc94172: read the link from oerheks, yhou have already made your job harder than you need to
[21:56] <nacc> virtualbox is also in multiverse, iirc
[21:57] <qwebirc94172> yeah i downloaded a iso for virtualbox and webistes are providing me with amd64 ios files but virtualbox says cannt load kernel is i386
[21:57] <nacc> qwebirc94172: yeah, don't do that either.
[21:57] <nacc> qwebirc94172: i feel like maybe you need more basic help, like how to use ubuntu?
[21:58] <nacc> qwebirc94172: both programs you are trying to use are available *from* Ubuntu, you don't need third party things
[21:58] <qwebirc94172> i know how to use ubuntu
[21:58] <nacc> qwebirc94172: do you know what multiverse is?
[21:59] <qwebirc94172> its universe
[21:59] <nacc> qwebirc94172: no.
[21:59] <nacc> qwebirc94172: 'universe' "is universe".
[21:59] <nacc> !components | qwebirc94172
[21:59] <RoadRunner> any idea where to get Pidgin 2.13.0?
[21:59] <qwebirc94172> i think it says biopic
[21:59] <nacc> qwebirc94172: both steam and virtualbox are available from multiverse without anything else.
[22:00] <oerheks> RoadRunner, from their website, or look for a PPA
[22:00] <nacc> RoadRunner: not in ubuntu
[22:00] <nacc> RoadRunner: what oerheks said :)
[22:00] <qwebirc94172> why dont deb files work is it a bug from ubuntu
[22:00] <oerheks> i doubt "virtualbox says cannt load kernel is i386 "
[22:00] <nacc> qwebirc94172: because you need to setup the i386 architecture for dpkg
[22:00] <nacc> qwebirc94172: or *just use the ubuntu packages*
[22:01] <qwebirc94172> oh ok thanks
[22:01] <qwebirc94172> so just use terminal to install steam
[22:01] <nacc> qwebirc94172: read the link from oerheks
[22:02] <RoadRunner> unfortunately pidgins 2.13 execs aren't available, they do not indorse any ppa's and pidgin's site instructions for compiling from source are over my head
[22:02] <nacc> RoadRunner: then you probably don't need 2.13.0
[22:03] <qwebirc94172> it says this this kernel requires an x86-64 CPU, but only detects an i686 CPU, unable to boot
[22:03] <nacc> qwebirc94172: *what* says that?
[22:03] <qwebirc94172> virtual box
[22:04] <RoadRunner> nacc: I am having problems with video calls and debuging the issue is also beyound me, yet work was done since 2.10.12 on video that, for all I know, may solve my problem
[22:05] <nacc> qwebirc94172: virtual box the program?
[22:05] <qwebirc94172> yes
[22:05] <nacc> qwebirc94172: how did you install it?
[22:05] <nacc> RoadRunner: you would just need to wait, or see if someone has built it in a ppa
[22:05] <qwebirc94172> downloaded the deb file from its webiste
[22:06] <qwebirc94172> deb files are ubuntu files the are for installation right?
[22:06] <nacc> qwebirc94172: ok, at this point i assume you are trolling.
[22:06] <RoadRunner> don't suppose anyone here knows of a ppa for pidgin 2.13?
[22:06] <nacc> qwebirc94172: good luck to you
[22:06] <nacc> RoadRunner: you can search online
[22:07] <oerheks> dead ppa https://launchpad.net/~pidgin-developers/+archive/ubuntu/ppa
[22:09] <RoadRunner> oerheks: been there, their versions are stale
[22:09] <qwebirc94172> why would'nt deb files work if their built for ubuntu
[22:10] <nacc> qwebirc94172: if you insist on using third party debs, ask the third party for support please
[22:10] <oerheks> you might want to file a SRU, to ask for an update
[22:10] <oerheks> !sru
[22:11] <nacc> oerheks: well, it would need to be in cosmic first
[22:11] <xMopx> is us.archive.ubuntu.com down for anyone else?
[22:11] <qwebirc94172> all third party software works on windows and apple its just linux that dosent because its so unstable all the time
[22:11] <oerheks> uhuh, cosmic has 2.12 as the only version now
[22:12] <nacc> oerheks: it's in debian, so it needs to be merged this cycle
[22:12] <nacc> qwebirc94172: please stop spreading FUD.
[22:12] <oerheks> qwebirc94172, if you used virtualbox from 'their website' , they should give support, but i think there i something else going on, did you install virtualbox 32 bit?
[22:12] <qwebirc94172> is debian seprate to ubuntu i though ubuntu was based on ubuntu
[22:13] <oerheks> somthing is fishy here..
[22:14] <blackflow> oerheks: no, just the usual smell of bridges...
[22:14] <qwebirc94172> what determines 64 or 32bit is it cpu or ram
[22:14] <oerheks> apt-cache policy virtualbox
[22:15] <nacc> RoadRunner: couldn't you just use 18.04? it has 2.12 --
[22:15] <qwebirc94172> no it says am64 packages
[22:15] <nacc> RoadRunner: not sure why you need 2.13.0 specifically?
[22:16] <qwebirc94172> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/VHd8MfrFV2/
[22:17] <nacc> qwebirc94172: you are not using the ubuntu package, so we can't help you.
[22:17] <nacc> possibly not using a deb at all
[22:19] <qwebirc94172> i think your right its not part of ubunu its sepearte to the ubuntu store i downloaded it
[22:19] <qwebirc94172> its called virtualbox-5.2_5.2.12-122591_Ubuntu_bionic_amd64.deb
[22:20] <RoadRunner> nacc: first, that would mean upgrading from 16.04 to 18.04 and that's going to screw up a bunch of my stuff including dark themes I've customized; second, as I mentioned earlier, I am having problems with video calls and from pidgin's version log I know that work was done in ver 2.13.0 on video that could possibly solve my problem
[22:20] <nacc> !latest | first, RoadRunner :
[22:20] <MiaMode> !sru
[22:21] <MiaMode> !ppa
[22:21] <nacc> second, RoadRunner, I had no way of knowing that from "since 2.10.12"
[22:21] <robertwalters> us archives are down?
[22:21] <nacc> RoadRunner: if you really need to build it from source, you probably weant #pidgin or something
[22:22] <nacc> robertwalters: working fine here
[22:22] <nacc> robertwalters: open http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ in a browser to check, i guess?
[22:22] <nacc> xMopx: --^
[22:23] <xMopx> yep, its back now, nacc
[22:25] <robertwalters> weird, just a hiccup then, cheers all
[22:25] <RoadRunner> if 2.13 is in debian, is there a straight forward way of getting it? if yes, perhaps that is safer than going with an unendorsed ppa?
[22:26] <nacc> RoadRunner: debian would also be 'unendorsed'
[22:27] <nacc> RoadRunner: you can get it, but it may not install and installing it manually may not work. Just wait for it to show up in cosmic and run cosmic.
[22:27] <nacc> RoadRunner: i doubt what you need is SRU-able, as it doesn't sound like bugfixes, but features
[22:28] <doubtful> hi
[22:28] <doubtful> on bluetooth Devices: it shows me "No Bluetooth adapters have been found." Any ideas?
[22:29] <ntd> https://blog.ubuntu.com/2018/06/22/a-first-look-at-desktop-metrics
[22:29] <ntd> srsly, javascript required?
[22:32] <RoadRunner> nacc: is cosmic ubuntu ver 19?
[22:32] <nacc> RoadRunner: 18.10 to be
[22:33] <RoadRunner> that's October release...
[22:33] <nacc> RoadRunner: yes.
[22:33] <nacc> RoadRunner: did you read the !latest faq?
[22:34] <nacc> RoadRunner: at this point, your options are clear, you can either follow them or not.
[22:36] <RoadRunner> since, unfortunately #pidgin isn't as active as I would like; is it possible to get understandable instructions for building Pidgin from source here?
[22:39] <nacc> RoadRunner: https://developer.pidgin.im/wiki/Installing%20Pidgin#IhavethesourcehowdoIbuildthisthing ?
[22:39] <nacc> RoadRunner: along with the ubuntu specific bit a few q's down
[22:39] <guest-yPCYiT> yeet boi
[22:44] <RoadRunner> nacc: thank you, this helps; however, since I haven't built anything from source bfr, perhaps it wouldn't hurt for me to have a source for more general knowledge on building from source (so I wouldn't be following their cookbook like a brainless monkey)?
[22:45] <Exterminador> someone pls remind me of the proper command to make a bootable USB stick. is this correct: dd if=/path/to/iso of=/path/to/usb progress=status BS=4M && sync ?
[22:47] <Exterminador> I meant bs=4M
[22:48] <oerheks> looks good
[22:48] <doubtful> I reinstalled the bluetooth packages, the bluetooth manager crashes as soon I try to open it.
[22:48] <doubtful> can someone please help
[22:49] <doubtful> using 16.04
[22:49] <doubtful> the kernel version is: Linux neon 4.13.0-45-generic
[22:50] <Exterminador> thanks. one stupid question: why `&& sync`?
[22:50] <dexter_> hi
[22:50] <qwebirc53634> hi, when clicking "install ubuntu alongside with windows 7". in this case, does ubuntu install itself in C: drive (which is windows main partition)?
[22:50] <Jonta> dexter_: Hi
[22:50] <dexter_> I installed compiz manager and compiz plugins on ubuntu 18 I ticked wobble windows and it doesn't work. Why?
[22:51] <Jonta> qwebirc53634: I doubt it
[22:51] <Jonta> doubtful: Any error messages? Tried running it from terminal?
[22:52] <guiverc> qwebirc53634, i'm no expert with alongside-installs, but i believe it'll try and install using free space on your drive
[22:52] <slava_> seeing some issues with the mirrors any known issues going on?
[22:52] <qwebirc53634> Jonta, okay, look, i have 2 ntfs (windows partition, and my personal files partition), so. if i dont make any mistake, does the Files partition GET affected by ubuntu by any way?
[22:53] <Jonta> No
[22:53] <qwebirc53634> oh, Alright, thank you
[22:53] <Jonta> The Ubuntu-install should show partitions, both existing and to be created
[22:53] <oerheks> Exterminador, to push the last data out the cache, so you are sure transfer is complete
[22:53] <Exterminador> oerheks: thanks. noted!
[22:55] <oerheks> * a half blok of 4M would let the usb be in wait state
[22:55] <dexter_> I installed compiz manager and compiz plugins on ubuntu 18 I ticked wobble windows and it doesn't work. Why?
[22:56] <qwebirc77758> hello. How to specify to netplan to use dhcp on all interfaces?
[22:56] <oerheks> yes, we need wobbly windows on gnome3
[22:56] <qwebirc77758> like enp*s0
[22:56]  * oerheks found a soul-mate
[22:56] <dexter_> oerheks, what do you mean?
[22:57] <oerheks> wayland does not support WW :-(
[22:57] <dexter_> WHAT?
[22:57] <oerheks> you would need xorg session ..
[22:57] <doubtful> I was able to make it bluetooth manager launch. Now, it discovers my phone but not headphones.
[22:57] <dexter_> Whos wayland?
[22:57] <doubtful> The headphones can be discovered by the phone though.
[22:58] <tomreyn> qwebirc77758: have you tried searching this? should be pretty easy to find.
[22:58] <Mibix> is there a good way to list all my mounted drives, their space, and their filesystem
[22:58] <doubtful> any ideas?
[22:58] <dexter_> oerheks, so they won't work at all??
[22:58] <Jonta> Mibix: lsblk?
[22:59] <tomreyn> qwebirc77758: this said, if you have and could not find it, please say so.
[22:59] <Mibix> Jonta close but no file system
[23:00] <qwebirc77758> tomreyn: tried man netplan
[23:00] <qwebirc77758> tomreyn: tried using en*s0 in config or enp*s0 in config
[23:00] <qwebirc53634> Jonta, what partition i should make and which file system and how many of the partitions i should create? and what are the / (explain)?
[23:01] <qwebirc77758> tomreyn: i have to use match:?
[23:01] <tomreyn> qwebirc77758: https://netplan.io/examples#dhcp-and-static-addressing
[23:02] <qwebirc77758> tomreyn: i want network cards that start with enp* to be dhcp. do i have to specify 1 by 1 in config, or is there faster way? Or is there a way to prevent ubuntu in changing my network card name everytime i connect new hardware?
[23:02] <Jonta> qwebirc53634: Do you have the installer up right now?
[23:02] <qwebirc53634> well no
[23:03] <qwebirc53634> im on windows
[23:03] <tomreyn> qwebirc77758: oh i didnt get the wildcard part. i guess you use match then, yes.
[23:03] <Jonta> Do you have a 2nd device you could google and IRC with? :)
[23:03] <qwebirc53634> brb
[23:03] <qwebirc53634> no
[23:03] <qwebirc53634> i just have usb flash
[23:03] <qwebirc53634> yes i do :)
[23:03] <qwebirc53634> now
[23:03] <Jonta> Worst case scenario, the installer is too confusing for you, and you just quit the installation attempt
[23:03] <Jonta> Ah, excellent
[23:04] <qwebirc53634> brb, i will be back, i will be on "try ubuntu"
[23:04] <qwebirc53634> no its not that
[23:04] <qwebirc53634> i wanted to do a few things before installing
[23:04] <qwebirc53634> and yeah the partitions things is confusing
[23:04] <qwebirc53634> brb
[23:04] <qwebirc53634> oh and
[23:04] <qwebirc53634> i will be back with name "Nordo" :)
[23:05] <Jonta> Alrighty
[23:05] <qwebirc53634> ;))
[23:06] <doubtful> Followed this answer https://askubuntu.com/a/885198 still the same
[23:06] <doubtful> using ubuntu after a long time. :/ Same old driver issues.
[23:06] <qwebirc77758> tomreyn: do we have somewhere a prewritten config that does exactly described?
[23:06] <tomreyn> qwebirc77758: you could pick a better nickname, with the other qwebircuser here it's getting worse telling who is who. i think you want: ethernets: match: {name: "en*s0"}
[23:06] <myrat> what's up people
[23:07] <Jonta> Ceiling, yo
[23:07] <buntu> tomreyn: thanks, will try that
[23:07] <tomreyn> qwebirc77758: maybe, i haven't looked for one. but look at https://netplan.io/reference#common-properties-for-all-device-types also, where there are "match:" examples
[23:09] <doubtful> what do I do guys?
[23:09] <doubtful> I know OS stuff, but have used ubuntu after long. Any clues how to debug this?
[23:10] <Jonta> Checked your headphones specifically?
[23:10] <Jonta> Searched [headphone name] + ubuntu
[23:10] <doubtful> Checked as in?
[23:10] <Jonta> Googled
[23:10] <buntu> tomreyn: https://pastebin.com/awAwtbhv like this?
[23:11] <myrat> people after netplan my pc starts too long
[23:11] <doubtful> Followed this https://askubuntu.com/a/885198 still the same.
[23:11] <myrat> 5min 5.887s networking.service
[23:11] <zardo> hello
[23:11] <Jonta> zardo: Hi
[23:12] <doubtful> Jonta, any clues?
[23:12] <zardo> hey jonta
[23:13] <doubtful> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/9MpjDq7Ryc/ any ideas?
[23:13] <doubtful> not accessible even with sudo.
[23:13] <Jonta> Checked permissions?
[23:13] <doubtful> on what?
[23:13] <Jonta> Well, line 3
[23:14] <Jonta> "Home directory not accessible: Permission denied"
[23:14] <Jonta> Which. Sounds weird
[23:14] <Jonta> What are the permissions for your home directory?
[23:14] <zardo> I have a python project and want to convert it to c/c++
[23:14] <tomreyn> buntu: https://pastebin.com/raw/QjGm9BGs - i just added a blank space. i haven't actually tried this, but it seems logical to me. however, see also  https://netplan.io/reference#common-properties-for-physical-device-types which uses a different syntax.
[23:15] <zardo> any ideas on a connection  script
[23:15] <Jonta> !enter | zardo
[23:15] <doubtful> Jonta, for /home or /home/<username>?
[23:15] <Jonta> doubtful: Both
[23:15] <Jonta> (As always with questions like that =)
[23:15] <doubtful> drwxr-xr-x for both
[23:16] <doubtful> seems ok
[23:16] <tomreyn> buntu: it's entirely possible that both would work.
[23:16] <zardo> sorry for that using a mobile app :) I'll try though
[23:16] <buntu> tomreyn: first one not working. Seen my error of space, corrected, also not working gonna try nr2 now.
[23:18] <Jonta> doubtful: Could it be the home directory of the headphones?
[23:19] <tomreyn> buntu: "not working" how?  note there is also #netplan around here (at leats according to the website - i have not been there)
[23:26] <zardo> @jonta
[23:26] <zardo> I would like to convert a python code to cpp
[23:27] <landofcake> evening, I'm having an absolute nightmare getting the upgrade from Trusty to Xenial working - the updater is barfing on a package with a UnicodeDecodeError ... I've narrowed it down to which package it's freaking out over, but that package isn't actually installed on my syste,
[23:27] <landofcake> system *
[23:27] <buntu> tomreyn: how can i see which driver is my nic using?
[23:31] <mindofmateo> Hello.  I am trying to enable hibernation on my laptop, Ubuntu 14.04 LTS.  Is this not permitted for a reason, or is it ill advised?
[23:33] <mindofmateo> For example, even if I run `sudo pm-hibernate` the system does nothing.
[23:34] <Xcytre> buntu - sudo lspci -v
[23:35] <buntu> found solution for all my problems: force ubuntu to use old eth0 names, then specify eth0 in config.
[23:36] <buntu> fixed !next
[23:36] <compdoc> mindofmateo, 14.04 is fairly ancient and just might not have the drivers for hibernation. your hardware might be old too. you might try live-booting 18.04 from a usb/dvd, and see if it works
[23:36] <landofcake> alright, I've had a further dig into the apt-python api to see what it's doing, and it looks like it is pulling the entire cache for installable packages and that's causing the upgrader to fall over, it's not just packages installed on my system :[
[23:38] <Jonta> !python | zardo
[23:40] <R13ose> How do I keep the mic volume at 24%?  This is moving down for some reason
[23:41] <Jonta> R13ose: In what software? Sounds like auto adjustment from somewhere
[23:41] <oerheks> look at cython, zardo
[23:41] <oerheks> !info cython
[23:41] <R13ose> Jonta: In general this happens all the time, I feel.
[23:42] <Jonta> For example?
[23:43] <R13ose> Jonta: using discord voice now and everytime I talk, the mic volume does down in audio volume
[23:43] <R13ose> goes*
[23:45] <Jonta> In browser or separate app?
[23:45] <R13ose> Jonta: in browser now
[23:45] <oerheks> r13 seems like this happens when someone else tries to talk too.. https://support.discordapp.com/hc/en-us/articles/206342888-How-do-I-stop-Discord-from-lowering-my-volume-when-someone-else-is-talking-
[23:46] <oerheks> attenuation, never knew that existed and has a name
[23:46] <nacc> landofcake: how are you upgrading?
[23:46] <landofcake> I'm using do-release-upgrade at the terminal
[23:46] <landofcake> this is on Ubuntu Server 14.04
[23:47] <R13ose> oerheks: thanks, I will test now
[23:48] <R13ose> I don't see attenuation slider in browser
[23:49] <Jonta> R13ose: Under "Voice"?
[23:49] <nacc> landofcake: https://askubuntu.com/questions/898148/unicodedecodeerror-during-release-upgrade-ubuntu-14-04-lts-16-04-lts
[23:49] <nacc> ?
[23:49] <landofcake> that's the exact same problem yep nacc
[23:49] <landofcake> there's also an official bug report for it at ...
[23:49] <landofcake> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-manager-core/+bug/1453740
[23:50] <landofcake> what I'm trying to work out is whether there's some sort of workaround, it's very odd that it's falling over on a package that's in the cache and isn't installed on my system
[23:50] <nacc> landofcake: and did you try c#4 from that bug?
[23:50] <oerheks> one of the comments: "Output Devices cannot be changed while using the browser. Download ..." so this is app only i guess
[23:50] <R13ose> Jonta: yep.  All I see is input sensitivity that is a slider that could be related
[23:50] <landofcake> sorry, c#4 ? I'm not down with the lingo ;)
[23:50] <nacc> landofcake: comment # 4
[23:50] <landofcake> ah my bad
[23:51] <Jonta> R13ose: How about testing that one? See if it moves while talking
[23:51] <nacc> landofcake: i need to drop (end of day), but that seems like it would work
[23:51] <R13ose> I will test separate app
[23:51] <landofcake> yep, so I tried that nacc
[23:51] <landofcake> the problem is, the package it breaks on isn't actually installed
[23:51] <landofcake> so there's no package to remove
[23:51] <nacc> landofcake: oh i see ... hopefully someone else can help? if not i'd comment in that bug
[23:51] <landofcake> will do, thanks for your help
[23:58] <R13ose> Jonta: I think separate app is good
[23:58] <oerheks> snap discord ?
[23:58] <R13ose> Uh?