| Eickmeyer | OvenWerks: I did it. It builds from source. It runs. https://code.launchpad.net/~eeickmeyer/+archive/ubuntu/ppa/ | 17:58 |
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| OvenWerks | Eickmeyer: Nice that it creates a set of packages. | 18:08 |
| OvenWerks | I'll run lintian across things and see what it says... later | 18:09 |
| Eickmeyer | Yep. Exactly the way FalkTX designed it. There was a lot of stuff that wasn't right. The deps were going somewhere else and there was a lot that was depricated (external plugins). | 18:10 |
| Eickmeyer | #startmeeting | 19:02 |
| meetingology | Meeting started Sat Jun 23 19:02:25 2018 UTC. The chair is Eickmeyer. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. | 19:02 |
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| Eickmeyer | #chair Eickmeyer eylul OvenWerks krytarik captain-tux cyphermox tsimonq2 | 19:03 |
| meetingology | Current chairs: Eickmeyer OvenWerks captain-tux cyphermox eylul krytarik tsimonq2 | 19:03 |
| Eickmeyer | Anybody else here? | 19:04 |
| captain-tux | Hi | 19:04 |
| Eickmeyer | Hey captain-tux! | 19:04 |
| krytarik | Howdy. | 19:04 |
| Eickmeyer | Hey krytarik! | 19:04 |
| Eickmeyer | Well, shall we get started and hope everyone else shows up? | 19:05 |
| krytarik | Or wait a few more minutes.. | 19:07 |
| Eickmeyer | I'm not seeing any of the new people here that have recently joined. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ | 19:07 |
| Eickmeyer | Good idea. | 19:07 |
| * eylul sneaks in | 19:11 | |
| Eickmeyer | eylul: o/ | 19:11 |
| eylul | hi! sorry i missed the last meeting | 19:12 |
| Eickmeyer | No worries! | 19:12 |
| captain-tux | Greetings | 19:12 |
| eylul | :) | 19:12 |
| Eickmeyer | I'm hoping OvenWerks shows since he added an item to the agenda. | 19:12 |
| * Eickmeyer might make a spot on the wiki for the current agenda | 19:12 | |
| Eickmeyer | Anyhow, we've had a number of people express interest in helping, none of whom are currently here. I would like to welcome them to the team. | 19:13 |
| Eickmeyer | #topic New People | 19:13 |
| Eickmeyer | I would love to get a list of what everyone is working on so we know where to plug people in. | 19:14 |
| eylul | Do you mean us or the new people? | 19:16 |
| Eickmeyer | I mean everyone, and where to get the new people plugged-in. | 19:16 |
| eylul | I am trying to do graphics stuff that shows up. Do we have someone who can take the lead on the especially technical side of the website? | 19:17 |
| eylul | e.g. finalizing the theme, setting up git to mirror the stage or a stage they set up. etc. | 19:17 |
| eylul | that might be one thing for someone who doesn't want to work on packaging but have some technical expertise | 19:17 |
| eylul | I think some people showed interest in testing. *thinks out loud* | 19:17 |
| Eickmeyer | I'm still trying to get access to the backend. I'm familiar with Wordpress, and since it's wordpress I could get things rolling if I had the access. Still working on that. I sent an email but I don't think it went through. | 19:18 |
| eylul | live backend, or the stage backend? | 19:18 |
| Eickmeyer | live backend. Do you have the stage backend? | 19:18 |
| eylul | I am hosting the stage backend, I just have no idea how to set up git to mirror it | 19:19 |
| eylul | launchpad's git is somewhat melting my brain ;) | 19:19 |
| Eickmeyer | I've been getting the hang of Launchpad's git. I just packaged Carla with it. | 19:19 |
| eylul | nice. | 19:19 |
| eylul | If you want I'll give you, or someone else ssh access. | 19:20 |
| Eickmeyer | I'll go ahead. I'm kinda on a roll with Carla packaged and the Audio Handbook completely uploaded. | 19:20 |
| eylul | I have some knowledge on wordpress development. but lack of understanding of the launchpad pretty much means I am not very useful on short term. (besides the child theme is done for most part) | 19:21 |
| eylul | ok | 19:21 |
| Eickmeyer | It really means getting the theme and child theme in /wp-content/themes, and getting whatever images uploaded. | 19:22 |
| eylul | we can even upload the images manually on live | 19:22 |
| eylul | it really is getting the theme in | 19:22 |
| eylul | (assume images are separate from the theme like krytarik was suggesting we keep them) | 19:23 |
| Eickmeyer | Yep. Getting the theme in requires FTP or the like. | 19:23 |
| eylul | we need to put a ticket in with IS | 19:23 |
| eylul | or at least that's how it worked last time. We are not allowed direct access to it | 19:23 |
| Eickmeyer | I'll ping them and see if I can get tsimonq2 or cyphermox to vouch. | 19:23 |
| eylul | *nods* | 19:23 |
| Eickmeyer | I mean, if they only want to talk to sakrecoer. | 19:23 |
| Eickmeyer | Which, I understand, has been the case in the past. | 19:24 |
| eylul | honestly last attempt was 2 years ago so it is worth trying to start over in this case, it is possible procedures changed even by now | 19:24 |
| Eickmeyer | True. | 19:24 |
| Eickmeyer | Anybody else working on anything? | 19:24 |
| eylul | Ovenwerks is working on controls | 19:25 |
| eylul | obviously | 19:25 |
| Eickmeyer | OvenWerks has all but finished controls. He's working on the manpages currently. | 19:25 |
| eylul | nice | 19:25 |
| Eickmeyer | He's also starting on Plasma. | 19:25 |
| Eickmeyer | I'm subscribed to our daily build PPA, and controls is working really well. | 19:26 |
| Eickmeyer | Also, your new wallpaper is now default. | 19:26 |
| eylul | nice. | 19:27 |
| eylul | did I.. ever create the png version of it? | 19:27 |
| Eickmeyer | I think it's png? | 19:27 |
| eylul | or send the png version | 19:27 |
| Eickmeyer | Yep, it's png. | 19:28 |
| eylul | ok :) | 19:28 |
| Eickmeyer | Anyhow, I never updated the topic. | 19:29 |
| Eickmeyer | #topic Current Projects | 19:29 |
| Eickmeyer | #info OvenWerks nearly done with -controls, creating manpages | 19:30 |
| Eickmeyer | #info OvenWerks starting work on Plasma. | 19:30 |
| Eickmeyer | #done Audio Handbook Release | 19:30 |
| Eickmeyer | By the way, has anybody had time to look at the audio handbook on the wiki? | 19:31 |
| eylul | not yet I saw we had it released. | 19:31 |
| Eickmeyer | Yep. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuStudio/AudioHandbook | 19:31 |
| Eickmeyer | #done -look Symbolic Links created for Plasma to reference wallpapers | 19:32 |
| Eickmeyer | #done Change logo in -icons, -look, and -menu to white logo on blue circle, uniform with other flavors. | 19:33 |
| eylul | oh we have a cover image | 19:33 |
| captain-tux | I planned to have a read through it next week. | 19:33 |
| eylul | is it ready | 19:33 |
| Eickmeyer | We got a lot done these past two weeks! | 19:33 |
| eylul | or draft stage? | 19:33 |
| eylul | e.g is it ready to be be converted to epub/pdf | 19:33 |
| Eickmeyer | eylul: It's ready. Pete went in and edited what he needed to do. I'm waiting on him to do the PDF. | 19:34 |
| Eickmeyer | since he has the original .odt file. | 19:34 |
| eylul | I am on lockdown until thursday'ish between work and.. well other things. | 19:34 |
| * Eickmeyer nods | 19:34 | |
| Eickmeyer | The PDF we have is the draft, so I didn't link it. | 19:35 |
| eylul | but after that, if it is not done yet i can make the pdf while doing the epub | 19:35 |
| Eickmeyer | Okay. I have a larger image of the cover, but it's not super huge. Might take bringing it into inkscape and having it vectorized. | 19:36 |
| eylul | if you vectorize it, the background might go odd | 19:36 |
| Eickmeyer | #info eylul and Eickmeyer working on website and access to backend for new theme | 19:36 |
| eylul | not sure if inkscape can handle correctly vectorizing gradient | 19:36 |
| Eickmeyer | Do we have the original layerd version of that wallpaper? | 19:37 |
| eylul | and if it is mean to be online only, the image doesn't have to be super huge. | 19:37 |
| Eickmeyer | True. | 19:37 |
| * eylul shrugs. | 19:38 | |
| Eickmeyer | Well, let's move on, but I was hoping OvenWerks would be here for the next topic. | 19:39 |
| Eickmeyer | #topic Replace lightdm with sddm | 19:39 |
| Eickmeyer | OvenWerks noticed a number of advantages sddm has over lightdm, especially when it comes to distinguishing between wayland and xorg versions of sessions. | 19:40 |
| Eickmeyer | Currently, lightdm makes no distinction. i.e. Plasma wayland and Plasma xorg show up as duplicate Plasma entries in the menu. | 19:41 |
| Eickmeyer | That said, without him here, I'd like to table this topic. | 19:41 |
| Eickmeyer | Thoughts? | 19:42 |
| Eickmeyer | Okay, we'll table that one. | 19:43 |
| captain-tux | Uhm yeah, can't really say anything about that. | 19:43 |
| eylul | sounds good from a user point of view to have that distinction, but yeah | 19:43 |
| eylul | same as captain-tux on this one :) | 19:43 |
| Eickmeyer | Okay, we'll table that. | 19:43 |
| Eickmeyer | #info topic tabled until OvenWerks can give input & present case. | 19:44 |
| Eickmeyer | #topic New Plymouth Theme | 19:44 |
| Eickmeyer | This was an idea I had which I have yet to play with. Any thoughts? Our theme is looking rather dated. | 19:44 |
| captain-tux | Well, it's not flat, if that's what you mean by dated.. ;) I like it, but the spinning logo is not centered.. | 19:46 |
| Eickmeyer | captain-tux: Yeah, agreed, and that has always bugged me. Not sure I like the spinning either. | 19:47 |
| eylul | I do need to look at the theme before giving an opinion if the rest of the group isn't decided by now. but generally I will say anything with no bright colors | 19:47 |
| eylul | and minimalist generally is good for people doing graphics | 19:47 |
| Eickmeyer | I'm talking about the Plymouth theme, not UI, just to make that clear. | 19:48 |
| captain-tux | I believe plymouth would just be the splash screen at boot, yes? | 19:48 |
| eylul | oh | 19:48 |
| eylul | I apologize. | 19:48 |
| Eickmeyer | Yes, Plymouth is the splash screen at boot. | 19:48 |
| Eickmeyer | No worries, eylul. Clarification was in order. | 19:48 |
| eylul | I don't mind the spinning. from a loading perspective. | 19:48 |
| eylul | visualizing loading | 19:49 |
| eylul | but if we want to switch it, I am not against it | 19:49 |
| eylul | its been there a while. | 19:49 |
| eylul | if we want something, new. if you give me some parameters of what we are aiming for, i can create graphics for it. | 19:49 |
| eylul | (unless somebody volunteered for that already) | 19:49 |
| Eickmeyer | I envision something a little more modern, and perhaps removing the tagline? | 19:50 |
| eylul | what do you mean with modern exactly. is it as captain-tux mentioned, material design? | 19:50 |
| Eickmeyer | I shy away from saying that, but I'm thinking we can take some cues from the other flavors for ideas. Kubuntu does a pulsing blue glow behind their logo, I think Xubuntu has a line that bounces (for lack of better desrciption)... | 19:51 |
| Eickmeyer | Lubuntu is a recolored version of the default Ubuntu one, iirc. | 19:51 |
| Eickmeyer | eylul: Maybe integrate something showcasing your wallpaper? | 19:52 |
| eylul | I can do that | 19:53 |
| eylul | I will need to look at what type of animation format is required. one question I will ask through | 19:53 |
| eylul | is this something we want to keep switching with wallpapers? | 19:53 |
| Eickmeyer | Not sure, but it's somewhere to start. Not a bad idea, though. | 19:54 |
| captain-tux | It's easy: Nice, modern, innovative, unique with a bit of vintage flair. Simple. | 19:54 |
| eylul | and also something that works well with a very low resolution | 19:54 |
| eylul | which I think might be a bigger reason why the current one looks dated | 19:55 |
| Eickmeyer | Yeah, adaptable like most Plymouth themes. | 19:55 |
| eylul | more than the spinning | 19:55 |
| eylul | it has a background texture to it | 19:55 |
| eylul | but ok | 19:56 |
| eylul | when is the feature freeze? | 19:56 |
| Eickmeyer | eylul: I'd love to see what you can come up with. Want to take a crack at it? | 19:56 |
| Eickmeyer | Pretty sure sometime in September. | 19:56 |
| eylul | ok | 19:57 |
| eylul | yeah | 19:57 |
| eylul | I'll take a look | 19:57 |
| eylul | and if you don't mind | 19:57 |
| eylul | after I survive this week, I'd ask help from you sometime that works with you | 19:57 |
| eylul | to set up git | 19:57 |
| eylul | and a dev. | 19:57 |
| eylul | so that I can upload on my own, and work without.. well | 19:58 |
| eylul | needing to reroll back because things went askew | 19:58 |
| Eickmeyer | Okay, yeah, sounds good. | 19:58 |
| Eickmeyer | So, you're cool with taking on plymouth? | 19:58 |
| eylul | that's basically the main hiccup that keeps me from doing dev work. | 19:58 |
| eylul | yeah | 19:58 |
| Eickmeyer | #action eylul working on Plymouth theme | 19:59 |
| meetingology | ACTION: eylul working on Plymouth theme | 19:59 |
| Eickmeyer | Okay. Next isn't on the agenda, but, do we want to revisit the wallpaper resolutions? | 20:00 |
| eylul | krytarik? you were the one with objection previously. :) | 20:00 |
| krytarik | Well tbh, if you all want to load a 5 MB wallpaper on login, and I'm the only one who thinks that's a tad too much... :P | 20:02 |
| Eickmeyer | tbh, I don't care either way, but I tend to lean on the side of forward progress. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ | 20:03 |
| eylul | krytarik: ovenwerks tested it on his system, it didn't result in anything noticeable, to have a larger overhead. We have already discussed before that we don't cater to low end, after market PCs as most of our users (audio and visual) both probably use computers with a fair bit processing power. | 20:04 |
| eylul | did you run into a specific problem? or is it just a desire to be minimalist. if it is former, it is important that we do know. | 20:04 |
| krytarik | More the general point, yes. | 20:06 |
| eylul | ok | 20:06 |
| Eickmeyer | Okay. Should we move on with our previous vote, or should we revote? Bear in mind, many of those that voted previously (captain-tux, OvenWerks) are not currently here. | 20:06 |
| captain-tux | I'm back, my wire broke down sorry.. | 20:07 |
| eylul | welcome back | 20:07 |
| Eickmeyer | wb captain-tux. I thought we had lost you to the ether. | 20:07 |
| captain-tux | Thanks, something like that. :) | 20:07 |
| eylul | :) | 20:08 |
| eylul | I am not against a revote or work with previous vote. Either way my vote will be on the same direction. That being said, especially on future wallpapers, I am not against trying to be more conscious about the file size (which is different from the resolution) my work IS a bit on heavy side, as it was created in a raster format. | 20:09 |
| Eickmeyer | Well, might as well take a vote here. | 20:10 |
| Eickmeyer | #vote Wallpaper Resolution to be 4K | 20:11 |
| meetingology | Please vote on: Wallpaper Resolution to be 4K | 20:11 |
| meetingology | Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (for private voting, private message me with 'vote +1/-1/+0 #channelname) | 20:11 |
| Eickmeyer | +1 | 20:11 |
| meetingology | +1 received from Eickmeyer | 20:11 |
| eylul | +1 | 20:11 |
| meetingology | +1 received from eylul | 20:11 |
| captain-tux | +1 | 20:11 |
| meetingology | +1 received from captain-tux | 20:11 |
| Eickmeyer | Anybody else? | 20:11 |
| eylul | krytarik? | 20:11 |
| krytarik | +0 | 20:11 |
| meetingology | +0 received from krytarik | 20:11 |
| Eickmeyer | Okay, i think that's everyone present. | 20:12 |
| Eickmeyer | #endvote | 20:12 |
| meetingology | Voting ended on: Wallpaper Resolution to be 4K | 20:12 |
| meetingology | Votes for:3 Votes against:0 Abstentions:1 | 20:12 |
| meetingology | Motion carried | 20:12 |
| Eickmeyer | Well, there it is. | 20:12 |
| eylul | krytarik I will look into seeing if the image can be traced, or somehow reduced in filesize without losing its integrity. | 20:12 |
| Eickmeyer | That sounds like a plan. | 20:13 |
| Eickmeyer | #action eylul to look into minimizing file size without losing integrity. | 20:14 |
| meetingology | ACTION: eylul to look into minimizing file size without losing integrity. | 20:14 |
| Eickmeyer | Okay. That's all I've got for this meeting. Anybody have anything? | 20:15 |
| eylul | not from me | 20:15 |
| Eickmeyer | Well, shall we adjourn? | 20:16 |
| eylul | +1 :) | 20:16 |
| captain-tux | Nothing else on my side. | 20:16 |
| Eickmeyer | #endmeeting | 20:17 |
| meetingology | Meeting ended Sat Jun 23 20:17:27 2018 UTC. | 20:17 |
| meetingology | Minutes: http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntustudio-devel/2018/ubuntustudio-devel.2018-06-23-19.02.moin.txt | 20:17 |
| Eickmeyer | And that, my friends, is a wrap. | 20:17 |
| Eickmeyer | Productivity is productive! | 20:17 |
| eylul | :))) I am off to sleep. I need to be up in about 6 hours | 20:18 |
| eylul | thank you for the good meeting everyone and thank you eickmeyer for organizing it | 20:18 |
| Eickmeyer | Absolutely. I love being a part of this team. :) | 20:18 |
| captain-tux | Thank you, sweet dreams. :D | 20:18 |
| eylul | :) o/ | 20:19 |
| Eickmeyer | Well, I need to take a break. Thanks everyone! | 20:19 |
| captain-tux | Ok, see you around! | 20:20 |
| OvenWerks | sorry, I ended up taking a nap with my Yf.... Yes, -controls is ready for testing/release. | 21:02 |
| captain-tux | Yf, okay.. that took me a while. :P | 21:08 |
| OvenWerks | Eickmeyer: lintian is not happy with carla. | 21:36 |
| OvenWerks | Eickmeyer: lintian against the deb gives: http://www.ovenwerks.net/paste/carla_deb.txt | 21:44 |
| OvenWerks | Eickmeyer: linian against the dsc file gives: http://www.ovenwerks.net/paste/carla_dsc.txt | 21:44 |
| OvenWerks | Most of these things talk about bad source :) but the build depnds at least are broken | 21:47 |
| OvenWerks | (or maybe I have it backwards) | 21:48 |
| OvenWerks | I only tested the main carla package, not the bridge or plugins | 21:50 |
| OvenWerks | Eickmeyer: oh and I am realizing that is not with pedantic. Hmm, doesn't seem to make much difference | 22:13 |
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