[17:58] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: I did it. It builds from source. It runs. https://code.launchpad.net/~eeickmeyer/+archive/ubuntu/ppa/
[18:08] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: Nice that it creates a set of packages.
[18:09] <OvenWerks> I'll run lintian across things and see what it says... later
[18:10] <Eickmeyer> Yep. Exactly the way FalkTX designed it. There was a lot of stuff that wasn't right. The deps were going somewhere else and there was a lot that was depricated (external plugins).
[19:02] <Eickmeyer> #startmeeting
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[19:03] <Eickmeyer> #chair Eickmeyer eylul OvenWerks krytarik captain-tux cyphermox tsimonq2
[19:03] <meetingology> Current chairs: Eickmeyer OvenWerks captain-tux cyphermox eylul krytarik tsimonq2
[19:04] <Eickmeyer> Anybody else here?
[19:04] <captain-tux> Hi
[19:04] <Eickmeyer> Hey captain-tux!
[19:04] <krytarik> Howdy.
[19:04] <Eickmeyer> Hey krytarik!
[19:05] <Eickmeyer> Well, shall we get started and hope everyone else shows up?
[19:07] <krytarik> Or wait a few more minutes..
[19:07] <Eickmeyer> I'm not seeing any of the new people here that have recently joined. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
[19:07] <Eickmeyer> Good idea.
[19:11]  * eylul sneaks in
[19:11] <Eickmeyer> eylul: o/
[19:12] <eylul> hi! sorry i missed the last meeting
[19:12] <Eickmeyer> No worries!
[19:12] <captain-tux> Greetings
[19:12] <eylul> :)
[19:12] <Eickmeyer> I'm hoping OvenWerks shows since he added an item to the agenda.
[19:12]  * Eickmeyer might make a spot on the wiki for the current agenda
[19:13] <Eickmeyer> Anyhow, we've had a number of people express interest in helping, none of whom are currently here. I would like to welcome them to the team.
[19:13] <Eickmeyer> #topic New People
[19:14] <Eickmeyer> I would love to get a list of what everyone is working on so we know where to plug people in.
[19:16] <eylul> Do you mean us or the new people?
[19:16] <Eickmeyer> I mean everyone, and where to get the new people plugged-in.
[19:17] <eylul> I am trying to do graphics stuff that shows up. Do we have someone who can take the lead on the especially technical side of the website?
[19:17] <eylul> e.g. finalizing the theme, setting up git to mirror the stage or a stage they set up. etc. 
[19:17] <eylul> that might be one thing for someone who doesn't want to work on packaging but have some technical expertise
[19:17] <eylul> I think some people showed interest in testing. *thinks out loud*
[19:18] <Eickmeyer> I'm still trying to get access to the backend. I'm familiar with Wordpress, and since it's wordpress I could get things rolling if I had the access. Still working on that. I sent an email but I don't think it went through.
[19:18] <eylul> live backend, or the stage backend?
[19:18] <Eickmeyer> live backend. Do you have the stage backend?
[19:19] <eylul> I am hosting the stage backend, I just have no idea how to set up git to mirror it
[19:19] <eylul> launchpad's git is somewhat melting my brain ;)
[19:19] <Eickmeyer> I've been getting the hang of Launchpad's git. I just packaged Carla with it.
[19:19] <eylul> nice.
[19:20] <eylul> If you want I'll give you, or someone else ssh access. 
[19:20] <Eickmeyer> I'll go ahead. I'm kinda on a roll with Carla packaged and the Audio Handbook completely uploaded.
[19:21] <eylul> I have some knowledge on wordpress development. but lack of understanding of the launchpad pretty much means I am not very useful on short term. (besides the child theme is done for most part)
[19:21] <eylul> ok
[19:22] <Eickmeyer> It really means getting the theme and child theme in /wp-content/themes, and getting whatever images uploaded.
[19:22] <eylul> we can even upload the images manually on live
[19:22] <eylul> it really is getting the theme in
[19:23] <eylul> (assume images are separate from the theme like krytarik was suggesting we keep them)
[19:23] <Eickmeyer> Yep. Getting the theme in requires FTP or the like.
[19:23] <eylul> we need to put a ticket in with IS
[19:23] <eylul> or at least that's how it worked last time. We are not allowed direct access to it
[19:23] <Eickmeyer> I'll ping them and see if I can get tsimonq2 or cyphermox to vouch.
[19:23] <eylul> *nods*
[19:23] <Eickmeyer> I mean, if they only want to talk to sakrecoer.
[19:24] <Eickmeyer> Which, I understand, has been the case in the past.
[19:24] <eylul> honestly last attempt was 2 years ago so it is worth trying to start over in this case, it is possible procedures changed even by now
[19:24] <Eickmeyer> True.
[19:24] <Eickmeyer> Anybody else working on anything?
[19:25] <eylul> Ovenwerks is working on controls
[19:25] <eylul> obviously
[19:25] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks has all but finished controls. He's working on the manpages currently.
[19:25] <eylul> nice
[19:25] <Eickmeyer> He's also starting on Plasma.
[19:26] <Eickmeyer> I'm subscribed to our daily build PPA, and controls is working really well.
[19:26] <Eickmeyer> Also, your new wallpaper is now default.
[19:27] <eylul> nice. 
[19:27] <eylul> did I.. ever create the png version of it?
[19:27] <Eickmeyer> I think it's png?
[19:27] <eylul> or send the png version
[19:28] <Eickmeyer> Yep, it's png.
[19:28] <eylul> ok :)
[19:29] <Eickmeyer> Anyhow, I never updated the topic.
[19:29] <Eickmeyer> #topic Current Projects
[19:30] <Eickmeyer> #info OvenWerks nearly done with -controls, creating manpages
[19:30] <Eickmeyer> #info OvenWerks starting work on Plasma.
[19:30] <Eickmeyer> #done Audio Handbook Release
[19:31] <Eickmeyer> By the way, has anybody had time to look at the audio handbook on the wiki?
[19:31] <eylul> not yet I saw we had it released.
[19:31] <Eickmeyer> Yep. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuStudio/AudioHandbook
[19:32] <Eickmeyer> #done -look Symbolic Links created for Plasma to reference wallpapers
[19:33] <Eickmeyer> #done Change logo in -icons, -look, and -menu to white logo on blue circle, uniform with other flavors.
[19:33] <eylul> oh we have a cover image
[19:33] <captain-tux> I planned to have a read through it next week.
[19:33] <eylul> is it ready
[19:33] <Eickmeyer> We got a lot done these past two weeks!
[19:33] <eylul> or draft stage?
[19:33] <eylul> e.g is it ready to be be converted to epub/pdf
[19:34] <Eickmeyer> eylul: It's ready. Pete went in and edited what he needed to do. I'm waiting on him to do the PDF.
[19:34] <Eickmeyer> since he has the original .odt file.
[19:34] <eylul> I am on lockdown until thursday'ish between work and.. well other things.
[19:34]  * Eickmeyer nods
[19:35] <Eickmeyer> The PDF we have is the draft, so I didn't link it.
[19:35] <eylul> but after that, if it is not done yet i can make the pdf while doing the epub
[19:36] <Eickmeyer> Okay. I have a larger image of the cover, but it's not super huge. Might take bringing it into inkscape and having it vectorized.
[19:36] <eylul> if you vectorize it, the background might go odd
[19:36] <Eickmeyer> #info eylul and Eickmeyer working on website and access to backend for new theme
[19:36] <eylul> not sure if inkscape can handle correctly vectorizing gradient
[19:37] <Eickmeyer> Do we have the original layerd version of that wallpaper? 
[19:37] <eylul> and if it is mean to be online only, the image doesn't have to be super huge.
[19:37] <Eickmeyer> True.
[19:38]  * eylul shrugs.
[19:39] <Eickmeyer> Well, let's move on, but I was hoping OvenWerks would be here for the next topic.
[19:39] <Eickmeyer> #topic Replace lightdm with sddm
[19:40] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks noticed a number of advantages sddm has over lightdm, especially when it comes to distinguishing between wayland and xorg versions of sessions.
[19:41] <Eickmeyer> Currently, lightdm makes no distinction. i.e. Plasma wayland and Plasma xorg show up as duplicate Plasma entries in the menu.
[19:41] <Eickmeyer> That said, without him here, I'd like to table this topic.
[19:42] <Eickmeyer> Thoughts?
[19:43] <Eickmeyer> Okay, we'll table that one.
[19:43] <captain-tux> Uhm yeah, can't really say anything about that.
[19:43] <eylul> sounds good from a user point of view to have that distinction, but yeah
[19:43] <eylul> same as captain-tux on this one :)
[19:43] <Eickmeyer> Okay, we'll table that.
[19:44] <Eickmeyer> #info topic tabled until OvenWerks can give input & present case.
[19:44] <Eickmeyer> #topic New Plymouth Theme
[19:44] <Eickmeyer> This was an idea I had which I have yet to play with. Any thoughts? Our theme is looking rather dated.
[19:46] <captain-tux> Well, it's not flat, if that's what you mean by dated.. ;) I like it, but the spinning logo is not centered..
[19:47] <Eickmeyer> captain-tux: Yeah, agreed, and that has always bugged me. Not sure I like the spinning either.
[19:47] <eylul> I do need to look at the theme before giving an opinion if the rest of the group isn't decided by now.  but generally I will say anything with no bright colors
[19:47] <eylul> and minimalist generally is good for people doing graphics
[19:48] <Eickmeyer> I'm talking about the Plymouth theme, not UI, just to make that clear.
[19:48] <captain-tux> I believe plymouth would just be the splash screen at boot, yes?
[19:48] <eylul> oh
[19:48] <eylul> I apologize.
[19:48] <Eickmeyer> Yes, Plymouth is the splash screen at boot.
[19:48] <Eickmeyer> No worries, eylul. Clarification was in order.
[19:48] <eylul> I don't mind the spinning. from a loading perspective.
[19:49] <eylul> visualizing loading
[19:49] <eylul> but if we want to switch it, I am not against it
[19:49] <eylul> its been there a while. 
[19:49] <eylul> if we want something, new. if you give me some parameters of what we are aiming for, i can create graphics for it.
[19:49] <eylul> (unless somebody volunteered for that already)
[19:50] <Eickmeyer> I envision something a little more modern, and perhaps removing the tagline?
[19:50] <eylul> what do you mean with modern exactly. is it as captain-tux mentioned, material design?
[19:51] <Eickmeyer> I shy away from saying that, but I'm thinking we can take some cues from the other flavors for ideas. Kubuntu does a pulsing blue glow behind their logo, I think Xubuntu has a line that bounces (for lack of better desrciption)...
[19:51] <Eickmeyer> Lubuntu is a recolored version of the default Ubuntu one, iirc.
[19:52] <Eickmeyer> eylul: Maybe integrate something showcasing your wallpaper?
[19:53] <eylul> I can do that
[19:53] <eylul> I will need to look at what type of animation format is required. one question I will ask through
[19:53] <eylul> is this something we want to keep switching with wallpapers?
[19:54] <Eickmeyer> Not sure, but it's somewhere to start. Not a bad idea, though.
[19:54] <captain-tux> It's easy: Nice, modern, innovative, unique with a bit of vintage flair. Simple. 
[19:54] <eylul> and also something that works well with a very low resolution
[19:55] <eylul> which I think might be a bigger reason why the current one looks dated
[19:55] <Eickmeyer> Yeah, adaptable like most Plymouth themes.
[19:55] <eylul> more than the spinning
[19:55] <eylul> it has a background texture to it
[19:56] <eylul> but ok
[19:56] <eylul> when is the feature freeze?
[19:56] <Eickmeyer> eylul: I'd love to see what you can come up with. Want to take a crack at it?
[19:56] <Eickmeyer> Pretty sure sometime in September.
[19:57] <eylul> ok
[19:57] <eylul> yeah
[19:57] <eylul> I'll take a look
[19:57] <eylul> and if you don't mind
[19:57] <eylul> after I survive this week, I'd ask help from you sometime that works with you
[19:57] <eylul> to set up git
[19:57] <eylul> and a dev.
[19:58] <eylul> so that I can upload on my own, and work without.. well
[19:58] <eylul> needing to reroll back because things went askew
[19:58] <Eickmeyer> Okay, yeah, sounds good.
[19:58] <Eickmeyer> So, you're cool with taking on plymouth?
[19:58] <eylul> that's basically the main hiccup that keeps me from doing dev work.
[19:58] <eylul> yeah
[19:59] <Eickmeyer> #action eylul working on Plymouth theme
[19:59] <meetingology> ACTION: eylul working on Plymouth theme
[20:00] <Eickmeyer> Okay. Next isn't on the agenda, but, do we want to revisit the wallpaper resolutions?
[20:00] <eylul> krytarik? you were the one with objection previously. :)
[20:02] <krytarik> Well tbh, if you all want to load a 5 MB wallpaper on login, and I'm the only one who thinks that's a tad too much... :P
[20:03] <Eickmeyer> tbh, I don't care either way, but I tend to lean on the side of forward progress. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
[20:04] <eylul> krytarik: ovenwerks tested it on his system, it didn't result in anything noticeable, to have a larger overhead. We have already discussed before that we don't cater to low end, after market PCs as most of our users (audio and visual) both probably use computers with a fair bit processing power.
[20:04] <eylul> did you run into a specific problem? or is it just a desire to be minimalist. if it is former, it is important that we do know. 
[20:06] <krytarik> More the general point, yes.
[20:06] <eylul> ok
[20:06] <Eickmeyer> Okay. Should we move on with our previous vote, or should we revote? Bear in mind, many of those that voted previously (captain-tux, OvenWerks) are not currently here.
[20:07] <captain-tux> I'm back, my wire broke down sorry..
[20:07] <eylul> welcome back
[20:07] <Eickmeyer> wb captain-tux. I thought we had lost you to the ether.
[20:07] <captain-tux> Thanks, something like that. :)
[20:08] <eylul> :)
[20:09] <eylul> I am not against a revote or work with previous vote. Either way my vote will be on the same direction. That being said, especially on future wallpapers, I am not against trying to be more conscious about the file size (which is different from the resolution) my work IS a bit on heavy side, as it was created in a raster format.
[20:10] <Eickmeyer> Well, might as well take a vote here.
[20:11] <Eickmeyer> #vote Wallpaper Resolution to be 4K
[20:11] <meetingology> Please vote on: Wallpaper Resolution to be 4K
[20:11] <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (for private voting, private message me with 'vote +1/-1/+0 #channelname)
[20:11] <Eickmeyer> +1
[20:11] <meetingology> +1 received from Eickmeyer
[20:11] <eylul> +1
[20:11] <meetingology> +1 received from eylul
[20:11] <captain-tux> +1
[20:11] <meetingology> +1 received from captain-tux
[20:11] <Eickmeyer> Anybody else?
[20:11] <eylul> krytarik?
[20:11] <krytarik> +0
[20:11] <meetingology> +0 received from krytarik
[20:12] <Eickmeyer> Okay, i think that's everyone present.
[20:12] <Eickmeyer> #endvote
[20:12] <meetingology> Voting ended on: Wallpaper Resolution to be 4K
[20:12] <meetingology> Votes for:3 Votes against:0 Abstentions:1
[20:12] <meetingology> Motion carried
[20:12] <Eickmeyer> Well, there it is.
[20:12] <eylul> krytarik I will look into seeing if the image can be traced, or somehow reduced in filesize without losing its integrity.
[20:13] <Eickmeyer> That sounds like a plan.
[20:14] <Eickmeyer> #action eylul to look into minimizing file size without losing integrity.
[20:14] <meetingology> ACTION: eylul to look into minimizing file size without losing integrity.
[20:15] <Eickmeyer> Okay. That's all I've got for this meeting. Anybody have anything?
[20:15] <eylul> not from me
[20:16] <Eickmeyer> Well, shall we adjourn?
[20:16] <eylul> +1 :)
[20:16] <captain-tux> Nothing else on my side.
[20:17] <Eickmeyer> #endmeeting
[20:17] <meetingology> Meeting ended Sat Jun 23 20:17:27 2018 UTC.  
[20:17] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntustudio-devel/2018/ubuntustudio-devel.2018-06-23-19.02.moin.txt
[20:17] <Eickmeyer> And that, my friends, is a wrap.
[20:17] <Eickmeyer> Productivity is productive!
[20:18] <eylul> :))) I am off to sleep. I need to be up in about 6 hours
[20:18] <eylul> thank you for the good meeting everyone and thank you eickmeyer for organizing it
[20:18] <Eickmeyer> Absolutely. I love being a part of this team. :)
[20:18] <captain-tux> Thank you, sweet dreams. :D
[20:19] <eylul> :) o/
[20:19] <Eickmeyer> Well, I need to take a break. Thanks everyone!
[20:20] <captain-tux> Ok, see you around!
[21:02] <OvenWerks> sorry, I ended up taking a nap with my Yf.... Yes, -controls is ready for testing/release.
[21:08] <captain-tux> Yf, okay.. that took me a while. :P
[21:36] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: lintian is not happy with carla.
[21:44] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: lintian against the deb gives: http://www.ovenwerks.net/paste/carla_deb.txt
[21:44] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: linian against the dsc file gives: http://www.ovenwerks.net/paste/carla_dsc.txt
[21:47] <OvenWerks> Most of these things talk about bad source :) but the build depnds at least are broken
[21:48] <OvenWerks> (or maybe I have it backwards)
[21:50] <OvenWerks> I only tested the main carla package, not the bridge or plugins
[22:13] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: oh and I am realizing that is not with pedantic. Hmm, doesn't seem to make much difference