[17:58] OvenWerks: I did it. It builds from source. It runs. https://code.launchpad.net/~eeickmeyer/+archive/ubuntu/ppa/ [18:08] Eickmeyer: Nice that it creates a set of packages. [18:09] I'll run lintian across things and see what it says... later [18:10] Yep. Exactly the way FalkTX designed it. There was a lot of stuff that wasn't right. The deps were going somewhere else and there was a lot that was depricated (external plugins). [19:02] #startmeeting [19:02] Meeting started Sat Jun 23 19:02:25 2018 UTC. The chair is Eickmeyer. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. [19:02] Available commands: action commands idea info link nick [19:03] #chair Eickmeyer eylul OvenWerks krytarik captain-tux cyphermox tsimonq2 [19:03] Current chairs: Eickmeyer OvenWerks captain-tux cyphermox eylul krytarik tsimonq2 [19:04] Anybody else here? [19:04] Hi [19:04] Hey captain-tux! [19:04] Howdy. [19:04] Hey krytarik! [19:05] Well, shall we get started and hope everyone else shows up? [19:07] Or wait a few more minutes.. [19:07] I'm not seeing any of the new people here that have recently joined. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ [19:07] Good idea. [19:11] * eylul sneaks in [19:11] eylul: o/ [19:12] hi! sorry i missed the last meeting [19:12] No worries! [19:12] Greetings [19:12] :) [19:12] I'm hoping OvenWerks shows since he added an item to the agenda. [19:12] * Eickmeyer might make a spot on the wiki for the current agenda [19:13] Anyhow, we've had a number of people express interest in helping, none of whom are currently here. I would like to welcome them to the team. [19:13] #topic New People [19:14] I would love to get a list of what everyone is working on so we know where to plug people in. [19:16] Do you mean us or the new people? [19:16] I mean everyone, and where to get the new people plugged-in. [19:17] I am trying to do graphics stuff that shows up. Do we have someone who can take the lead on the especially technical side of the website? [19:17] e.g. finalizing the theme, setting up git to mirror the stage or a stage they set up. etc. [19:17] that might be one thing for someone who doesn't want to work on packaging but have some technical expertise [19:17] I think some people showed interest in testing. *thinks out loud* [19:18] I'm still trying to get access to the backend. I'm familiar with Wordpress, and since it's wordpress I could get things rolling if I had the access. Still working on that. I sent an email but I don't think it went through. [19:18] live backend, or the stage backend? [19:18] live backend. Do you have the stage backend? [19:19] I am hosting the stage backend, I just have no idea how to set up git to mirror it [19:19] launchpad's git is somewhat melting my brain ;) [19:19] I've been getting the hang of Launchpad's git. I just packaged Carla with it. [19:19] nice. [19:20] If you want I'll give you, or someone else ssh access. [19:20] I'll go ahead. I'm kinda on a roll with Carla packaged and the Audio Handbook completely uploaded. [19:21] I have some knowledge on wordpress development. but lack of understanding of the launchpad pretty much means I am not very useful on short term. (besides the child theme is done for most part) [19:21] ok [19:22] It really means getting the theme and child theme in /wp-content/themes, and getting whatever images uploaded. [19:22] we can even upload the images manually on live [19:22] it really is getting the theme in [19:23] (assume images are separate from the theme like krytarik was suggesting we keep them) [19:23] Yep. Getting the theme in requires FTP or the like. [19:23] we need to put a ticket in with IS [19:23] or at least that's how it worked last time. We are not allowed direct access to it [19:23] I'll ping them and see if I can get tsimonq2 or cyphermox to vouch. [19:23] *nods* [19:23] I mean, if they only want to talk to sakrecoer. [19:24] Which, I understand, has been the case in the past. [19:24] honestly last attempt was 2 years ago so it is worth trying to start over in this case, it is possible procedures changed even by now [19:24] True. [19:24] Anybody else working on anything? [19:25] Ovenwerks is working on controls [19:25] obviously [19:25] OvenWerks has all but finished controls. He's working on the manpages currently. [19:25] nice [19:25] He's also starting on Plasma. [19:26] I'm subscribed to our daily build PPA, and controls is working really well. [19:26] Also, your new wallpaper is now default. [19:27] nice. [19:27] did I.. ever create the png version of it? [19:27] I think it's png? [19:27] or send the png version [19:28] Yep, it's png. [19:28] ok :) [19:29] Anyhow, I never updated the topic. [19:29] #topic Current Projects [19:30] #info OvenWerks nearly done with -controls, creating manpages [19:30] #info OvenWerks starting work on Plasma. [19:30] #done Audio Handbook Release [19:31] By the way, has anybody had time to look at the audio handbook on the wiki? [19:31] not yet I saw we had it released. [19:31] Yep. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuStudio/AudioHandbook [19:32] #done -look Symbolic Links created for Plasma to reference wallpapers [19:33] #done Change logo in -icons, -look, and -menu to white logo on blue circle, uniform with other flavors. [19:33] oh we have a cover image [19:33] I planned to have a read through it next week. [19:33] is it ready [19:33] We got a lot done these past two weeks! [19:33] or draft stage? [19:33] e.g is it ready to be be converted to epub/pdf [19:34] eylul: It's ready. Pete went in and edited what he needed to do. I'm waiting on him to do the PDF. [19:34] since he has the original .odt file. [19:34] I am on lockdown until thursday'ish between work and.. well other things. [19:34] * Eickmeyer nods [19:35] The PDF we have is the draft, so I didn't link it. [19:35] but after that, if it is not done yet i can make the pdf while doing the epub [19:36] Okay. I have a larger image of the cover, but it's not super huge. Might take bringing it into inkscape and having it vectorized. [19:36] if you vectorize it, the background might go odd [19:36] #info eylul and Eickmeyer working on website and access to backend for new theme [19:36] not sure if inkscape can handle correctly vectorizing gradient [19:37] Do we have the original layerd version of that wallpaper? [19:37] and if it is mean to be online only, the image doesn't have to be super huge. [19:37] True. [19:38] * eylul shrugs. [19:39] Well, let's move on, but I was hoping OvenWerks would be here for the next topic. [19:39] #topic Replace lightdm with sddm [19:40] OvenWerks noticed a number of advantages sddm has over lightdm, especially when it comes to distinguishing between wayland and xorg versions of sessions. [19:41] Currently, lightdm makes no distinction. i.e. Plasma wayland and Plasma xorg show up as duplicate Plasma entries in the menu. [19:41] That said, without him here, I'd like to table this topic. [19:42] Thoughts? [19:43] Okay, we'll table that one. [19:43] Uhm yeah, can't really say anything about that. [19:43] sounds good from a user point of view to have that distinction, but yeah [19:43] same as captain-tux on this one :) [19:43] Okay, we'll table that. [19:44] #info topic tabled until OvenWerks can give input & present case. [19:44] #topic New Plymouth Theme [19:44] This was an idea I had which I have yet to play with. Any thoughts? Our theme is looking rather dated. [19:46] Well, it's not flat, if that's what you mean by dated.. ;) I like it, but the spinning logo is not centered.. [19:47] captain-tux: Yeah, agreed, and that has always bugged me. Not sure I like the spinning either. [19:47] I do need to look at the theme before giving an opinion if the rest of the group isn't decided by now. but generally I will say anything with no bright colors [19:47] and minimalist generally is good for people doing graphics [19:48] I'm talking about the Plymouth theme, not UI, just to make that clear. [19:48] I believe plymouth would just be the splash screen at boot, yes? [19:48] oh [19:48] I apologize. [19:48] Yes, Plymouth is the splash screen at boot. [19:48] No worries, eylul. Clarification was in order. [19:48] I don't mind the spinning. from a loading perspective. [19:49] visualizing loading [19:49] but if we want to switch it, I am not against it [19:49] its been there a while. [19:49] if we want something, new. if you give me some parameters of what we are aiming for, i can create graphics for it. [19:49] (unless somebody volunteered for that already) [19:50] I envision something a little more modern, and perhaps removing the tagline? [19:50] what do you mean with modern exactly. is it as captain-tux mentioned, material design? [19:51] I shy away from saying that, but I'm thinking we can take some cues from the other flavors for ideas. Kubuntu does a pulsing blue glow behind their logo, I think Xubuntu has a line that bounces (for lack of better desrciption)... [19:51] Lubuntu is a recolored version of the default Ubuntu one, iirc. [19:52] eylul: Maybe integrate something showcasing your wallpaper? [19:53] I can do that [19:53] I will need to look at what type of animation format is required. one question I will ask through [19:53] is this something we want to keep switching with wallpapers? [19:54] Not sure, but it's somewhere to start. Not a bad idea, though. [19:54] It's easy: Nice, modern, innovative, unique with a bit of vintage flair. Simple. [19:54] and also something that works well with a very low resolution [19:55] which I think might be a bigger reason why the current one looks dated [19:55] Yeah, adaptable like most Plymouth themes. [19:55] more than the spinning [19:55] it has a background texture to it [19:56] but ok [19:56] when is the feature freeze? [19:56] eylul: I'd love to see what you can come up with. Want to take a crack at it? [19:56] Pretty sure sometime in September. [19:57] ok [19:57] yeah [19:57] I'll take a look [19:57] and if you don't mind [19:57] after I survive this week, I'd ask help from you sometime that works with you [19:57] to set up git [19:57] and a dev. [19:58] so that I can upload on my own, and work without.. well [19:58] needing to reroll back because things went askew [19:58] Okay, yeah, sounds good. [19:58] So, you're cool with taking on plymouth? [19:58] that's basically the main hiccup that keeps me from doing dev work. [19:58] yeah [19:59] #action eylul working on Plymouth theme [19:59] ACTION: eylul working on Plymouth theme [20:00] Okay. Next isn't on the agenda, but, do we want to revisit the wallpaper resolutions? [20:00] krytarik? you were the one with objection previously. :) [20:02] Well tbh, if you all want to load a 5 MB wallpaper on login, and I'm the only one who thinks that's a tad too much... :P [20:03] tbh, I don't care either way, but I tend to lean on the side of forward progress. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ [20:04] krytarik: ovenwerks tested it on his system, it didn't result in anything noticeable, to have a larger overhead. We have already discussed before that we don't cater to low end, after market PCs as most of our users (audio and visual) both probably use computers with a fair bit processing power. [20:04] did you run into a specific problem? or is it just a desire to be minimalist. if it is former, it is important that we do know. [20:06] More the general point, yes. [20:06] ok [20:06] Okay. Should we move on with our previous vote, or should we revote? Bear in mind, many of those that voted previously (captain-tux, OvenWerks) are not currently here. [20:07] I'm back, my wire broke down sorry.. [20:07] welcome back [20:07] wb captain-tux. I thought we had lost you to the ether. [20:07] Thanks, something like that. :) [20:08] :) [20:09] I am not against a revote or work with previous vote. Either way my vote will be on the same direction. That being said, especially on future wallpapers, I am not against trying to be more conscious about the file size (which is different from the resolution) my work IS a bit on heavy side, as it was created in a raster format. [20:10] Well, might as well take a vote here. [20:11] #vote Wallpaper Resolution to be 4K [20:11] Please vote on: Wallpaper Resolution to be 4K [20:11] Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (for private voting, private message me with 'vote +1/-1/+0 #channelname) [20:11] +1 [20:11] +1 received from Eickmeyer [20:11] +1 [20:11] +1 received from eylul [20:11] +1 [20:11] +1 received from captain-tux [20:11] Anybody else? [20:11] krytarik? [20:11] +0 [20:11] +0 received from krytarik [20:12] Okay, i think that's everyone present. [20:12] #endvote [20:12] Voting ended on: Wallpaper Resolution to be 4K [20:12] Votes for:3 Votes against:0 Abstentions:1 [20:12] Motion carried [20:12] Well, there it is. [20:12] krytarik I will look into seeing if the image can be traced, or somehow reduced in filesize without losing its integrity. [20:13] That sounds like a plan. [20:14] #action eylul to look into minimizing file size without losing integrity. [20:14] ACTION: eylul to look into minimizing file size without losing integrity. [20:15] Okay. That's all I've got for this meeting. Anybody have anything? [20:15] not from me [20:16] Well, shall we adjourn? [20:16] +1 :) [20:16] Nothing else on my side. [20:17] #endmeeting [20:17] Meeting ended Sat Jun 23 20:17:27 2018 UTC. [20:17] Minutes: http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntustudio-devel/2018/ubuntustudio-devel.2018-06-23-19.02.moin.txt [20:17] And that, my friends, is a wrap. [20:17] Productivity is productive! [20:18] :))) I am off to sleep. I need to be up in about 6 hours [20:18] thank you for the good meeting everyone and thank you eickmeyer for organizing it [20:18] Absolutely. I love being a part of this team. :) [20:18] Thank you, sweet dreams. :D [20:19] :) o/ [20:19] Well, I need to take a break. Thanks everyone! [20:20] Ok, see you around! [21:02] sorry, I ended up taking a nap with my Yf.... Yes, -controls is ready for testing/release. [21:08] Yf, okay.. that took me a while. :P [21:36] Eickmeyer: lintian is not happy with carla. [21:44] Eickmeyer: lintian against the deb gives: http://www.ovenwerks.net/paste/carla_deb.txt [21:44] Eickmeyer: linian against the dsc file gives: http://www.ovenwerks.net/paste/carla_dsc.txt [21:47] Most of these things talk about bad source :) but the build depnds at least are broken [21:48] (or maybe I have it backwards) [21:50] I only tested the main carla package, not the bridge or plugins [22:13] Eickmeyer: oh and I am realizing that is not with pedantic. Hmm, doesn't seem to make much difference