[00:26] <fairhb> is there a good resource I can reference for managing multiple versions of python?  apparently ubuntu 18.04 requires a certain version and applications I would like to install require a different version and higher versions aren't backwards compatible.
[03:33] <wb4bbc> Good Evening everybody
[09:04] <Agamemnon> Hey. Ubuntu Mate has an applet that has kept notifications? If I do not read a notification from the application, I would like it to be stored there.
[09:18] <alkisg> Haha, that was strange, I was just working on epoptes notifications and peristence :D
[10:23] <alejandro> Hola alguien que escriba en español?
[10:24] <diogenes_> !es | alejandro
[10:27] <alejandro> thank for the info ubuntu-es, i bad speak english
[10:27] <alejandro> bye
[11:23] <deskwizard> Howdy! o/
[11:26] <deskwizard> to make a long story short, I'm trying to get pm-utils to run a script on wakeup on 16.04, but I must be missing something obvious again 'cause it's not happening :P that's what I'm testing with atm, for the sake of seeing something happen hehe https://pastebin.com/pUBdQEuf
[11:28] <deskwizard> basically I copied and trimmed down the 95led one in/usr/lib/pm-utils/sleep.d.
[11:34] <alkisg> deskwizard: since the question isn't specific to the desktop environment you're using, you could also ask in #ubuntu where there are more people
[11:34] <deskwizard> alkisg: thanks for the tip :)
[12:04] <karjala_> Since this morning, I got this bug: I need to press alt+Tab twice to get the window chooser
[12:04] <karjala_> instead of just once
[12:04] <karjala_> Is anyone else having this bug?
[12:04] <karjala_> At first, when I boot, I don't have the bug, but it appears after a while, every time
[12:10] <alkisg> Try with another window manager, e.g. compiz, marco...
[12:10] <alkisg> (select from mate-tweak)
[12:21] <karjala_> i don't want to choose another window manager, i want the bug fixed
[12:21] <karjala_> also, the bug only occurs when I'm switched to the greek keyboard layout
[12:21] <karjala_> in the American keyboard layout, alt-tab works fine
[12:22] <karjala_> when in greek keyboard layout, alt-tab is alwaus needed twice
[12:22] <karjala_> i think this is a bug
[12:23] <alkisg> karjala_, the first step to solve a bug, is to see why it happens
[12:23] <alkisg> That was my first troubleshooting step
[12:23] <alkisg> If the bug is in the window manager, you'll know where to report it
[12:24] <karjala_> ok thanks
[12:29] <karjala_> I'm in the middle of doing work, and cannot switch window manager. Luckilly, I have Ubuntu MATE on a VM as well, I'll test there.
[12:29] <alkisg> karjala_, btw, what's the output of `setxkbmap -query` when you have the greek layout?
[12:31] <karjala_> alkisg, https://pastebin.com/3gucrZ0V
[12:31] <karjala_> are you greek?
[12:31] <karjala_> alkis is greek name
[12:31] <alkisg> yup
[12:31] <karjala_> me 2
[12:32] <alkisg> Yeah I got it :)
[12:32] <alkisg> Is ibus or fcitx running?
[12:32] <alkisg> ps aux | grep ibus
[12:32] <alkisg> ps aux | grep fcitx
[12:32] <karjala_> 1st question: do you have the same bug on your system?
[12:33] <karjala_> alkisg, I don't have either of the two
[12:34] <alkisg> No, I don't have the bug in 18.04 or 16.04
[12:34] <alkisg> I'm using marco, and my layout is different than yours
[12:34] <alkisg> options:    grp:alt_shift_toggle,grp_led:scroll
[12:34] <karjala_> my vm doesn't have the bug, either
[12:34] <alkisg> That means you're not using the default greek xorg layout, maybe you're using the kbd lib
[12:35] <alkisg> Which window manager are you using?
[12:35] <alkisg> ps aux | grep marco, or compiz etc
[12:35] <karjala_> I'm using the standard one that MATE came with
[12:35] <karjala_> look what I did:
[12:35] <karjala_> i have marco
[12:35] <karjala_> did ps aux and saw it
[12:35] <Agamemnon> Hi, Ubuntu Mate has something like notification tray? If you do not read a notification, it should be available in the tray as in cinnamon or kde. I asked this question earlier, but I was thrown out of bed and I was not able to read the answer.
[12:36] <alkisg> Thrown out of bed? Hehe, nice :D
[12:36] <alkisg> I don't think gnome2 or mate support persistent notifications
[12:37] <alkisg> (or xfce, or notification-daemon)
[12:37] <alkisg> Only gnome3 (=cinnamon too) and kde4 do
[12:37] <alkisg> You could file a feature request, see if the devs want to implement it in the future
[12:38] <alkisg> karjala_, I'm using marco too and I don't have the issue
[12:38] <karjala_> what is kbd lib?
[12:38] <karjala_> how can i tell whether i'm using greek xorg layout?
[12:39] <alkisg> karjala_, you probably went into mate settings to add language or keyboard layout
[12:39] <alkisg> While the "correct thing" is to select greek in installation, which then goes to xorg configuration, which then works for all desktop environments
[12:39] <karjala_> i don't think so
[12:39] <karjala_> let me check
[12:39] <karjala_> a
[12:39] <karjala_> yes i didn't do the correct thing
[12:40] <alkisg> Try this: gsettings list-recursively | grep -w gr
[12:40] <karjala_> but neither did i do the correct thing in my VM, which works without bug
[12:40] <karjala_> org.mate.peripherals-keyboard-xkb.kbd layouts ['us', 'gr']
[12:40] <alkisg> Now try: gsettings reset-recursively org.mate.peripherals-keyboard-xkb
[12:41] <alkisg> Btw, what's the output of this? cat /etc/default/keyboard | nc termbin.com 9999
[12:42] <karjala_> οοπσ
[12:42] <karjala_> oops
[12:42] <karjala_> i sent to termbin.com top secret data?
[12:43] <alkisg> Yes, the keyboard configuration
[12:43] <alkisg> It will tell NSA if you're using us,gr or gr,us
[12:43] <alkisg> They will arrest you for that
[12:43] <karjala_> i didn't see an output, and I closed it
[12:43] <karjala_> lol
[12:43] <alkisg> Run it again
[12:43] <alkisg> And paste the url here
[12:44] <karjala_> my terminal doesn't have copy url
[12:44] <alkisg> Type it
[12:44] <alkisg> It's small
[12:44] <alkisg> Or select and right click and copy
[12:45] <alkisg> mate-terminal does have copy
[12:45] <karjala_> http://termbin.com/wd08
[12:45] <alkisg> This is the correct one for greece: http://termbin.com/enmv
[12:46] <karjala_> shall i replace mine with yours?
[12:46] <karjala_> ?
[12:47] <karjala_> and after i replace, do i need to reboot for the change to take effect?
[12:48] <karjala_> rebooting
[12:52] <karjala_> alkisg, didn't solve the problem
[12:53] <karjala_> here's what's causeing the problem
[12:54] <karjala_> Step #1: Go to MATE Tweak
[12:54] <karjala_> Choose the "Panel" Tab
[12:54] <karjala_> check the "Enable HUD" checkbox
[12:54] <karjala_> Congratz, you have the bug
[12:54] <karjala_> but you get cured if you uncheck
[12:55] <karjala_> i solved my problem, thanks all
[12:55] <alkisg> karjala_, ah that explains it
[12:55] <karjala_> now it's up to the ubuntu team to fix it
[12:55] <alkisg> I always remove snapd and mate-hud
[12:55] <alkisg> It will never fix it if you don't report it
[12:56] <alkisg> to launchpad or github
[12:56] <karjala_> ok
[12:56] <karjala_> can you give me the url for github repo?
[12:57] <karjala_> https://github.com/ubuntu-mate/mate-tweak/issues
[12:57] <karjala_> found it
[12:57] <alkisg> not to tweak. to mate-hud.
[13:00] <karjala_> https://github.com/ubuntu-mate/mate-hud/issues/29
[13:00] <karjala_> thanks alkis
[13:00] <karjala_> mate is the best
[13:01] <alkisg> Great
[13:17] <karjala_> alkisg, what's your relation to the ub mate project? Just a power user?
[13:18] <alkisg> karjala_: I'm a developer of applications not related to mate
[13:24] <karjala_> me, web developer
[17:22] <elli> How do I disable Thunderbird Mail?
[19:04] <mate|13362> hello world!
[19:05] <mate|13362> Poland vs Colombia who wins?
[19:07] <diogenes_> antananarivo