[00:26] is there a good resource I can reference for managing multiple versions of python? apparently ubuntu 18.04 requires a certain version and applications I would like to install require a different version and higher versions aren't backwards compatible. [03:33] Good Evening everybody [09:04] Hey. Ubuntu Mate has an applet that has kept notifications? If I do not read a notification from the application, I would like it to be stored there. [09:18] Haha, that was strange, I was just working on epoptes notifications and peristence :D [10:23] Hola alguien que escriba en español? [10:24] !es | alejandro [10:24] alejandro: En la mayoría de los canales de Ubuntu, se habla sólo en inglés. Si busca ayuda en español entre al canal #ubuntu-es; escriba " /join #ubuntu-es " (sin comillas) y presione intro. [10:27] thank for the info ubuntu-es, i bad speak english [10:27] bye [11:23] Howdy! o/ [11:26] to make a long story short, I'm trying to get pm-utils to run a script on wakeup on 16.04, but I must be missing something obvious again 'cause it's not happening :P that's what I'm testing with atm, for the sake of seeing something happen hehe https://pastebin.com/pUBdQEuf [11:28] basically I copied and trimmed down the 95led one in/usr/lib/pm-utils/sleep.d. [11:34] deskwizard: since the question isn't specific to the desktop environment you're using, you could also ask in #ubuntu where there are more people [11:34] alkisg: thanks for the tip :) [12:04] Since this morning, I got this bug: I need to press alt+Tab twice to get the window chooser [12:04] instead of just once [12:04] Is anyone else having this bug? [12:04] At first, when I boot, I don't have the bug, but it appears after a while, every time [12:10] Try with another window manager, e.g. compiz, marco... [12:10] (select from mate-tweak) [12:21] i don't want to choose another window manager, i want the bug fixed [12:21] also, the bug only occurs when I'm switched to the greek keyboard layout [12:21] in the American keyboard layout, alt-tab works fine [12:22] when in greek keyboard layout, alt-tab is alwaus needed twice [12:22] i think this is a bug [12:23] karjala_, the first step to solve a bug, is to see why it happens [12:23] That was my first troubleshooting step [12:23] If the bug is in the window manager, you'll know where to report it [12:24] ok thanks [12:29] I'm in the middle of doing work, and cannot switch window manager. Luckilly, I have Ubuntu MATE on a VM as well, I'll test there. [12:29] karjala_, btw, what's the output of `setxkbmap -query` when you have the greek layout? [12:31] alkisg, https://pastebin.com/3gucrZ0V [12:31] are you greek? [12:31] alkis is greek name [12:31] yup [12:31] me 2 [12:32] Yeah I got it :) [12:32] Is ibus or fcitx running? [12:32] ps aux | grep ibus [12:32] ps aux | grep fcitx [12:32] 1st question: do you have the same bug on your system? [12:33] alkisg, I don't have either of the two [12:34] No, I don't have the bug in 18.04 or 16.04 [12:34] I'm using marco, and my layout is different than yours [12:34] options: grp:alt_shift_toggle,grp_led:scroll [12:34] my vm doesn't have the bug, either [12:34] That means you're not using the default greek xorg layout, maybe you're using the kbd lib [12:35] Which window manager are you using? [12:35] ps aux | grep marco, or compiz etc [12:35] I'm using the standard one that MATE came with [12:35] look what I did: [12:35] i have marco [12:35] did ps aux and saw it [12:35] Hi, Ubuntu Mate has something like notification tray? If you do not read a notification, it should be available in the tray as in cinnamon or kde. I asked this question earlier, but I was thrown out of bed and I was not able to read the answer. [12:36] Thrown out of bed? Hehe, nice :D [12:36] I don't think gnome2 or mate support persistent notifications [12:37] (or xfce, or notification-daemon) [12:37] Only gnome3 (=cinnamon too) and kde4 do [12:37] You could file a feature request, see if the devs want to implement it in the future [12:38] karjala_, I'm using marco too and I don't have the issue [12:38] what is kbd lib? [12:38] how can i tell whether i'm using greek xorg layout? [12:39] karjala_, you probably went into mate settings to add language or keyboard layout [12:39] While the "correct thing" is to select greek in installation, which then goes to xorg configuration, which then works for all desktop environments [12:39] i don't think so [12:39] let me check [12:39] a [12:39] yes i didn't do the correct thing [12:40] Try this: gsettings list-recursively | grep -w gr [12:40] but neither did i do the correct thing in my VM, which works without bug [12:40] org.mate.peripherals-keyboard-xkb.kbd layouts ['us', 'gr'] [12:40] Now try: gsettings reset-recursively org.mate.peripherals-keyboard-xkb [12:41] Btw, what's the output of this? cat /etc/default/keyboard | nc termbin.com 9999 [12:42] οοπσ [12:42] oops [12:42] i sent to termbin.com top secret data? [12:43] Yes, the keyboard configuration [12:43] It will tell NSA if you're using us,gr or gr,us [12:43] They will arrest you for that [12:43] i didn't see an output, and I closed it [12:43] lol [12:43] Run it again [12:43] And paste the url here [12:44] my terminal doesn't have copy url [12:44] Type it [12:44] It's small [12:44] Or select and right click and copy [12:45] mate-terminal does have copy [12:45] http://termbin.com/wd08 [12:45] This is the correct one for greece: http://termbin.com/enmv [12:46] shall i replace mine with yours? [12:46] ? [12:47] and after i replace, do i need to reboot for the change to take effect? [12:48] rebooting [12:52] alkisg, didn't solve the problem [12:53] here's what's causeing the problem [12:54] Step #1: Go to MATE Tweak [12:54] Choose the "Panel" Tab [12:54] check the "Enable HUD" checkbox [12:54] Congratz, you have the bug [12:54] but you get cured if you uncheck [12:55] i solved my problem, thanks all [12:55] karjala_, ah that explains it [12:55] now it's up to the ubuntu team to fix it [12:55] I always remove snapd and mate-hud [12:55] It will never fix it if you don't report it [12:56] to launchpad or github [12:56] ok [12:56] can you give me the url for github repo? [12:57] https://github.com/ubuntu-mate/mate-tweak/issues [12:57] found it [12:57] not to tweak. to mate-hud. [13:00] https://github.com/ubuntu-mate/mate-hud/issues/29 [13:00] thanks alkis [13:00] mate is the best [13:01] Great [13:17] alkisg, what's your relation to the ub mate project? Just a power user? 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