[00:03] Hello again. I'm trying to get an ethernet connection without having Network Manager installed. Removing (apt remove network-manager) seems to disable my connection on bootup. Should I activate systemd-networkd, or does a simple config setting suffice? [00:05] no matter what i do on apt-get it gives me those errors every time [00:05] getting annoying [00:06] i may just reinstall ubuntu and wipe everything i have on it. [00:06] is this on wsl ? [00:07] oerheks : Talking to me? [00:08] if so, i dont know what that is. [00:08] and sudo apt install exactly? just sudo apt install surely should not give this output [00:09] 0 [00:10] Does anyone know? Do I need to enable a service like systemd-networkd (to get basic networking/routing) if I have disabled network-manager? [00:10] okay so basically anytime apt-get makes changes and "triggers man-db" it gives me those errors [00:10] watch let me run the autoremove command and ill copy/paste everything [00:11] RandomGuestAccnt, netplan in 18.04 [00:11] Hey how do I install the theme I just downloaded for HexChat [00:11] https://linuxconfig.org/how-to-configure-static-ip-address-on-ubuntu-18-04-bionic-beaver-linux [00:12] oerheks: thanks, will read that now. Isn't netplan just a precursor, something that feeds either network-manager or systemd-networkd with config files? [00:14] it is a new proper way to provision that, i guess. [00:14] Biessie: what version of ubuntu? [00:14] leftyfb : 16.04 server [00:15] here leftyfb and oerheks -- https://pastebin.com/QbPbrZ8t [00:15] if you guys are stumped ill just go download the latest stable ubuntu version and reinstall [00:15] Biessie: type: dmesg # look for errors, mainly ATA or IO errors [00:15] id rather not but this is annoying [00:16] oerheks: reading the article now, but can you tell me in advance: if I don't use network-manager, isn't it the case that I have to use systemd-networkd instead or nothing will be "set up" on boot? Or is there a more low level system that always does this job regardless of these services? [00:17] leftyfb : Wow they have alot in this list lol.. how do i know what is ATA/IO? [00:17] Biessie: if you see those words/letters [00:17] oh okay, not yet [00:18] ok, you'd see them toward the end [00:18] Biessie: sudo apt-get purge man-db === root_ is now known as Guest34230 [00:19] root_: you shouldn't IRC as root [00:19] leftyfb --> https://pastebin.com/ka3WN4Jk [00:20] RandomGuestAccnt, ifconfig is depreciated, so i won't know for sure [00:21] Biessie: sudo dpkg --configure -a [00:21] Biessie: or sudo dpkg --configure keyboard-configuration [00:21] leftyfb --> https://pastebin.com/3Cemzkz1 [00:22] okay ill do that now [00:22] https://pastebin.com/F66CD9tG [00:22] yeah, you're getting segfaults left and right. Something is seriously wrong [00:23] best bet to reinstall? i literally dont know wtf i did lol. it's been a long time since i even logged into the box and it was running just fine [00:23] In my experience this is usually a hardware issue, mainly storage/filesystem issues [00:23] Oh really? [00:23] or memory [00:23] let me reboot it [00:23] maybe run a drive/filesystem test and a memory test [00:23] rebooting solves nothing [00:24] i was running a node for crypto on it.. so when you said memory i just assumed it was eating up the ram [00:24] i closed it about 15 min ago [00:24] how do i run a memory test [00:24] .. [00:24] if you were out of memory, you'd get OOM errors, especially in dmesg, not just core dumps [00:25] gotcha [00:25] Biessie: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MemoryTest [00:25] Biessie: https://www.tecmint.com/linux-disk-scanning-tools/ [00:25] thank you leftyfb for all your help and patience [00:26] gretly appreciated. i will work on that now [00:26] greatly* [00:28] Trying to install Ubuntu 18.04 (32 bit) using the minimal iso. I only have wifi, and the ESSID contains several spaces and a comma. The installer, when doing network setup, splits on the comma and lists the two strings as two separate networks. I choose "Enter ESSID manually" and try to type it, but all attempts so far have just caused the installer to loop back to the beginning of network setup. Tried: wrapping in double quotes, [00:28] wrapping in single quotes, not wrapping, and escaping the comma/spaces/both with backslashes. Any ideas for more things to try? [00:28] I'm not the administrator of the wifi. The administrator of the wifi thinks this is kind of funny and told me to get a real operating system. [00:34] Any good Network Bridge Guide? Fedup soon with stuff spent hours trying to get working. and not working = Wasted time [00:35] oerheks: creating and applying a simple netplan config.yaml worked. Looks like something like systemd-networkd is a requirement (if NetworkManager is gone) for having the interfaces brought up and routes set. The article was helpful, thanks. [00:35] RandomGuestAccnt, have fun! === easypooper is now known as lessoffensive [00:36] testing...do I need registered nick? [00:36] I guess not [00:36] is there a specific channel for 18.04 LTS? [00:37] lessoffensive, no, but there are specific desktop channels though [00:37] this is main support, welcome [00:38] what is the chan for desktop? [00:39] I'm curious as well if there a specific channel for the minimal install version. It often seems kind of hidden away in the docs and not mentioned much. === lessoffensive is now known as lessthan0 [00:39] #xubuntu #lubuntu and such, see the channel list https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/ChannelList [00:39] leftyfb : I rebooted and those errors dissapeared... [00:40] Biessie: I wouldn't trust it .. it'll happen again [00:40] im still going to do a clean install with 18.04 vs 16 [00:40] burning image now. but thank you again [00:41] thanks oerheks. looks like the closest to what i'm looking for *might* be ubuntu-server [00:41] mos_basik, the minimal option is now included in the standard 18.04 desktop iso else https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD [00:41] or server, sure [00:41] am I correct that 18.04 LTS replaced unity with a custom gnome? [00:42] or is it something else? [00:42] lessthan0, yes. [00:42] but set Xorg standard over Wayland session [00:43] I think I am in the right place then [00:43] while im here.. does ubuntu 18.04 support the Nvidia geforce g210m hydrid graphics? [00:43] (laptop) [00:44] did you try it? [00:44] lessthan0 : I am about to install it now [00:44] i dont need GUI but.. wouldnt hurt [00:45] I think nvidia drivers are non-free so make sure to install non-free drivers during install [00:45] will do :) [00:45] what should i do after installing ubuntu??? [00:45] use it maybe [00:45] -__- [00:45] LOL [00:46] ofcourse [00:46] Biessie: what do you mean by support? do you mean, can you use the gpu at all (probably)? or do you mean, can you dynamically switch between embedded and gpu like it would on windows (unlikely, or it will be tricky)? [00:46] I disabled some things and installed some things [00:46] posted a small bug report [00:46] about the installer [00:46] mos_basik : if i can use the GPU at all [00:47] i dont need it to switch to conserve power [00:47] Biessie: then yes, it should probably work. [00:47] Biessie: That card takes an old 340.107 version driver .. soon to be dropped : http://www.nvidia.com/download/driverResults.aspx/135161/en-us . [00:47] anwyay to keep less than 3 versions of the same app with snap? it's taking up 2gb w.r.t vlc [00:48] Bashing-om : Yea this is an old laptop i am using for linux [00:48] mos_basik : tanks [00:48] my geforce gt 540m worked (ancient, probably same vintage) [00:49] Outside of windows 7.. the hybrids didnt work too well [00:49] yeah. on my next laptop purchase, i decided to skip the gpu. not worth the hassle for me. [00:50] it really wasnt === Viper is now known as Guest77817 [00:51] I think the biggest problem right now with any distro is having support for 20 years of desktop, server, laptop, IOT hardware in one distro while still keeping the included kernel up to date. [00:52] just think about that for a minute [00:52] ^ [00:53] ooof. should I just make a bug report about this comma in the SSID? Every time I install a new distro, I have to figure out how to get around it for that distro. I think I have it figured out once I'm in the system and using wpa_supplicant or networkmanager but if the installer chokes on it, it's rough work around [00:54] so the natural next step after getting everything installed and running is to uninstall packages. or install minimal and build it back up. pick your poison. [00:54] urk [00:55] is it haram to ask for distro rec's in this channel? [00:56] mos_basik: it's inappropriate. Try ##linux [00:56] thanks :) === root is now known as Guest10323 [00:59] I guess that nick is registered LOL should have thought of it first [00:59] using irc as root is silly [01:00] its just a cool nick. I don't think he actually hmmm is he that much of a noob? [01:01] I am reading that you don't need to call it root on some versions of linux, you can call it anything [01:02] so when someone goes looking for it then they can never find it [01:02] it's still uid=0 [01:02] true [01:04] so let me ask you then, if someone tries to unobfuscate uid=0 to a login name, if they don't have permissions then they can't get the name they need to login right? [01:04] what? [01:05] like if someone tries to brute force ssh or something and there is no root [01:05] there is no way to login local or remote from just uid=0 right? [01:06] sorry, I can't parse that. [01:06] are userland users allowed to see a list of logged in users by default on most systems? [01:08] I think they are, through who(1) command [01:10] i still can't get over the fact that I wasted two days of my life because i used 'useradd' instad of 'adduser' [01:14] Luxray5474: how so? adduser is perl "frontend" (so to speak) to useradd, functionally they're the same [01:15] I heard in the past that adduser should typically be used on Debian-based systems. [01:16] yeah but installing UnrealIRCd needs 'adduser' because that installs it in /home/user while 'useradd' installs in /root/ [01:16] useradd is the lower level utility. [01:16] ^ [01:16] Interesting. [01:16] lolwut! [01:16] And 'useradd' puts you into a sort of paradoxial situation [01:16] because it installs it in root [01:17] installs what in root? [01:17] unrealircd [01:17] again, lolwut! [01:17] and to access root you have to do 'sudo su' then cd to the root dir [01:17] useradd is not softare installation utility [01:17] Is there a way to make the autorun.inf icon and name appear on Xubuntu 18.04? [01:17] *software [01:17] but you have to make a -separate user- for unrealircd [01:17] yeah, so? [01:18] and... doing useradd... makes it install in /root/ [01:18] I have many USB pen-drives and would like it loads the icons and names to differentiate them [01:18] Luxray5474: again, makes it install _what_ in /root? useradd doesn't install any software [01:18] i have to install unrealircd. [01:18] had* [01:19] now, to install unrealircd, you must do so from source, and make a new user JUST FOR unrealircd [01:19] so, that's where useradd and adduser comes in. [01:20] adding a user with useradd which is lower level than adduser, will have it install in /root/. [01:20] but, using 'adduser' makes it install in /home/user/ [01:20] you're talking nonsense. you can't "install" a "user" into the /root/ directory [01:20] ok look [01:20] are you talking about _home_ directory? [01:21] When you install unrealircd, it has to install into a directory because it's from source. [01:21] everything has to install into a dir [01:21] when you make a user with adduser [01:21] right. and useradd is not a tool that installs anything. it creates a system user. [01:22] i know. [01:22] so it doesn't install anything under /root/ [01:22] you make a user with adduser, isntall unrealircd while logged in as the unrealircd user [01:22] there's nothing to install. a system user is registered in /etc/passwd and /etc/shadow [01:23] Luxray5474: sounds like you borked the $HOME env [01:23] because you can't install under /root/ when you're "logged in as " [01:24] (unless you use su or sudo) [01:25] ugh we had a little power surge [01:25] but here let me explain [01:28] blackflow: as main account, 'sudo adduser unrealircd' > log into unrealircd user > download unrealircd in account > install unrealircd in account > it installs in /home/unrealircd > it has the right file permissions > run unrealircd in account [01:28] You have to run an ircd as NOT ROOT [01:29] when you create the user using useradd, the unrealircd installer will install it into /root/unrealircd which is bad, because to access that location you must 'sudo su' then cd into the dir [01:30] but when you try to run it, it will not let you because you are root [01:30] so you must exit su [01:30] but when you do you get shot back out of /root/ [01:30] and you can't do sudo cd [01:31] sudo cd makes no sense [01:31] that's why you can't do 'sudo cd' [01:31] what you describe makes no sense. you can't install anything under /root as a non-root user, without su or sudo, in which case, "well duh" [01:32] i forgot to mention that to make the installer actually place the files in /root/unrealircd you must run it wuth sudo [01:32] note that without -l for su, or -i for sudo, the environment is not changed. so if you su from root without -l, $HOME will remain /root, and if for some reason you then again sudo something, then it'll end up in root [01:33] i must admit i never knew that until now [01:35] Hi all. Anyone ever deal with "aacraid: Host adapter reset request. SCSI hang ?" with Dell's PERC 3/i Adaptec hardware raid card? According to https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=92129 REHL fought this for 18 months back in 2003/4 without a definitive solution. [01:35] bugzilla.redhat.com bug 92129 in kernel "(SCSI AACRAID)kernel: aacraid: Host adapter reset request. SCSI hang ?" [High,Closed: currentrelease] [01:37] to me, the definitive solution to undebuggable HW RAID issues is: don't use HW RAID. [01:39] Slothernopolis: which ubuntu release + kernel version are we talking about? [01:40] 16.04.4 4.4.0-128-g [01:41] Slothernopolis: try a google trasnlation of this german language article, it contains workarounds: https://www.thomas-krenn.com/de/wiki/Adaptec_Controller_Timeout_Fehler [01:42] if machine translation doesn't help. ask me about the unclear spots, i can help translate it. [01:42] tomreyn: The default device timeout is 45 already. [01:42] I tried to increase it to 60 to test, but I wasn't able to actually set it for some reason [01:42] Slothernopolis: how about irq conflicts? [01:43] tomreyn That's in interesting angle, but I can't imagine that being the case. I'm working with a Dell PowerEdge 2650 [01:44] I should also note, that I've seen this across multiple 2650's [01:44] well just search your logs [01:44] IRQF_DISABLED [01:44] shared IRQ [01:45] Nothing found [01:45] also try a hwe kernel [01:45] !hwe [01:45] The Ubuntu LTS enablement stacks provide newer kernel and X support for existing LTS releases, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/LTSEnablementStack [01:46] those 2650's were beasts. As in, power hungry [01:46] and very outdated at this point [01:46] I know :/ [01:46] Working with what I have lol [01:47] At least they're not running NT4 anymore [01:47] I have 2 650's sitting right near me which were the same generation. They literally have IDE connectors in them [01:47] eeew! [01:47] ..yep.. /wrists [01:48] And CD drives [01:48] and floppies. [01:48] yep [01:48] Oh, and single rank memory only. lol [01:48] Just hang me [01:49] Slothernopolis: this discusses a driver which might work around it http://ask.microsemi.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/17202 [01:49] tomreyn are there any negatives to the hwe kernel? [01:49] Slothernopolis: negatives, as in negative side effects of running a HWE kernel rather than the GA kernel? [01:50] the above driver is no longer available at its original location, but there is a newer copy, including source code, and a 16.04 directory, here https://storage.microsemi.com/en-us/speed/raid/aac/linux/aacraid_linux_drivers_ppc_v1_2_1-52011_tgz.php [01:50] tomreyn I came across that article and was able to successfully install StorMon which gave me all kinds of cool info [01:50] THATS new tho [01:51] Your googlefu is strong. How'd you come across that? [01:51] startpage.com search for: aacraid_linux_min_drivers.tgz (without quotes) [01:51] tomreyn Yes, negatives to running the HWE kernel versus the GA [01:53] GA kernels are supported (on this very kernel version) for th eentire lifetime of an LTE release. HWE releases have shorter support timespans, meaning you have to update + reboot when they go EOL. [01:53] but then you probably want to do that occasionally anyways. [01:53] but that's pretty much it. [01:54] tomreyn Thank you. I've never compiled a driver from source before, anything I should know? [01:54] get help from someone who did then ;) [01:55] So how badly can this go wrong? haha [01:55] chances are this wont apply cleanly to HWE kernels [01:56] it may to the GA one, though, since they included one which did. [01:56] on the other hand the gcc version may be older. [01:56] I was going to try the driver first, but it needs to be recompiled since the link was for PPC [01:56] doh, indeed [01:57] well lets hope the source code is x-platform then [01:59] make fails lol [01:59] Slothernopolis: try these https://storage.microsemi.com/en-us/speed/raid/aac/linux/aacraid_linux_drivers_v1_2_1-52011_tgz.php [02:02] here's the documentation for the kernel in-tree module https://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/scsi/aacraid.txt [02:03] Close with that driver, I need a i686 version. That download had x64 and ppc641e [02:03] Dell PERC3/di is on that list [02:04] chances are the in-tree one is actually a lot more robust, though, is you look at the commit log https://github.com/torvalds/linux/tree/master/drivers/scsi/aacraid [02:05] i686 lol [02:06] Look, it pains me to ask for help about this haha [02:06] I promise this isn't fun for me lol === bob is now known as Guest51998 === max__ is now known as Guest59947 === sandeep is now known as Guest46426 [02:12] Hey, so I'm trying to use that file roller or whatever program to extract a .rar I downloaded with some autocad files in it, but when I extract it it says 'parsing filters are unsupported' === Guest59947 is now known as MxMax [02:13] It extracts one file and the other is 0 bytes [02:14] I even tried redownloading the file and I get the same problem [02:15] dunnousernamefn, https://askubuntu.com/questions/801426/parsing-filters-unsupported-error-during-extraction-of-rar-file [02:15] That's really weird [02:16] Maybe it's because I installed ubuntu-desktop over my install [02:16] Thanks [02:17] It works great now [02:20] @tomreyn Looks like this adaptec driver is going to be a no go, I found an "unsupported linux" source package but it won't compile easily. Should I just consider the HWE option and see how it goes? [02:25] Slothernopolis: for sure worth a try. you could also replace the hardware. ;) [02:25] I've been lobbying, hopefully next year. [02:25] I have 4 of these, btw lol [02:29] Slothernopolis: maybe replace them by raspis, might be faster. and surely cheaper. [02:30] /walk of shame [02:31] place that lists which vertions are best for different hardware? i have 4 computers that originally came with xp i need to put new OS on [02:31] qwebirc95584: install ubuntu [02:32] but which one these are core duo processors [02:33] qwebirc95584: ubuntu 18.04 [02:33] qwebirc95584: ubuntu.com/download [02:33] they will run the new version? [02:33] qwebirc95584: did you try? [02:34] no i just thought i would need an old one as these are 10 year old computers [02:34] qwebirc95584: There's not much benefit from running older versions of ubuntu. Especially when there's really only 3-5 versions that are technically still supported in any manner [02:36] Hello. Does anyone know anything about the Omap zoom2? [02:36] ok if it wont overload them i will get that one thanks [02:36] qwebirc95584: 2007 build : sysop@x1810:~$ . [02:37] George_: i do. it's a hardware. and this channel is about ubuntu, an OS. [02:37] @tomreyn I'm trying to get Ubuntu to boot on it. [02:38] George_: try #ubuntu-arm [02:38] Thanks! [02:40] Away - sleep. === amirpro_ is now known as amirpro === Guest7144 is now known as ToBeFree === ToBeFree is now known as Guest35429 === Nicmavr is now known as Guest56848 [03:39] !list [03:39] Linephreak: No warez here! This is not a file sharing channel (or network); read the channel topic. If you're looking for information about me, type « /msg ubottu !bot ». If you're looking for a channel, see « /msg ubottu !alis ». === shiznix is now known as Guest52838 [04:25] leftyfb : I have 18.04 installed now :) [04:29] Biessie: tnx for the feedback [04:30] lotuspsychje : He was helping me earlier so i decided to remove 16.04 and install 18.04. just following back with my success [04:30] im not the best with linux stuff.. just learning [04:31] Biessie: great idea, thank you and welcome to the ubuntu community [04:31] thank you [04:31] i wish my wifi would automatically connect on re-boot and not have to be manually enabled [04:32] Biessie: wich wifi chipset do you have? [04:32] Hi All, just installed Ubuntu 18.04 and I am trying to set up the network on VM to access external content..... I am trying to restart the network manager without a reboot but everything I try is failing.... NetworkManager not fouind [04:33] Any ideas, how I can restart the network after updating /etc/Netplan/50..........yml [04:33] !netplan | Gobo708 [04:33] Gobo708: Netplan is a network configuration abstraction renderer which uses YAML descriptions of a network to work with either a NetworkManager or Systemd-networkd "renderer". More information at https://netplan.io/ [04:33] lotuspsychje - does this make sense? Intel® WiFi Link 1000 Integrated 802.11a/b/g/n [04:34] Biessie: yes tnx, so on a reboot, it does not enable by default? [04:34] it didnt on the first 2 reboots. but i did a command i found online and didnt test it yet. let me track it down [04:35] lotuspsychje, you are supposed to use netplan to restart it? [04:35] Biessie: are you the admin of your system or multiple users, so a keyring is active? [04:35] lotuspsychje - im admin. only user its my old laptop [04:36] !netplan | Gobo708 ................ not sure what this means [04:36] Biessie: so system is not asking for keyring password right? doesnt block your wifi? [04:36] no its a home router [04:36] Gobo708: im just trying to widen your options mate [04:36] ok, but I am not sure what you meant [04:36] with the NOT operator and pipe?? [04:37] all went over my head [04:37] Gobo708: ah the | means a trigger is redirected to only your nick [04:37] oh, an irc thing [04:37] lol [04:37] and you meant Not netplan...? [04:38] I can install anything else, because I cant access the internet [04:38] Gobo708: yes, as 18.04 uses netplan, i wanted to share you netplans url... [04:38] lotuspsychje : i found a site that told me to add 'nmcli nm wifi on' in /etc/rc.local [04:38] ahh ok [04:38] ahhh oh, I see what happened [04:39] ubottu ... [04:39] this desktop interface is pretty sweet. I never like the wbar but its less garbage now with all the added features and smaller icons [04:39] cheers, anyone know how to restart the network? [04:40] gobo can you be more specific? [04:40] Biessie: you dont have secureboot to block wifi or so? [04:40] i just did a basic install [04:40] restart the service or renew an IP from DHCP? [04:40] trying to pick up new netplan config [04:40] have you tried rebooting? [04:40] for another adapter [04:40] 18.04 desktop (i really dont use GUI just ssh but it didnt hurt to have GUI) [04:40] 2/pa [04:41] I don't think my mobo supports headless [04:41] Biessie: perhaps you can consider a new !bug ? [04:41] so I just plug in an old vga [04:41] I just had a great idea [04:41] I really just want to update the netplan config and test it without having to reboot the machine and wait [04:41] I can stick a resistor in the vga port [04:41] lotuspsychje : what does that mean [04:42] lessthan0: please, only ubuntu support here focus [04:42] !bug | Biessie [04:42] Biessie: If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please report it using the command « ubuntu-bug » - See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs for other ways to report bugs. [04:42] oh okay [04:43] Biessie: can be handy if you problem persist...developers & the community can help solve your bug [04:43] ill look into it! ty [04:45] Biessie: or if you idle here, ill let leftyfb where your at [04:45] *know [04:45] i am on a BNC so ill happily idle here [04:45] it will let me know if my name is mentioned [04:46] netplan apply [04:46] apparently [05:05] Hello, anyone can help with Dovecot? Looking to activate (auth require on 587) [05:05] Hey guys, weird issue. After compiz crashed on me, ubuntu now logs me off after 15-20 seconds of being logged in. The unity bar and stuff comes up and I can even start programs, but it also sends me back to the login screen [05:05] I'm on 17.10 [05:06] s/also/always [05:11] mbrig: did you install unity on 17.10? [05:12] lotuspsychje: Not intentionally? I upgraded to 17.10 so maybe its leftover from that? [05:13] mbrig: yeah i think so, consider installing 18.04 clean perhaps? [05:13] :( [05:13] Everything was working fine up until the compiz crash today [05:13] mbrig: 17.10 and 18.04 doesnt use compiz anymore, xorg or wayland [05:14] xorg [05:14] I'm not 100% sure it was real compiz, I just got a message that "compiz has stopped unexpectedly" and that's when the trouble started [05:15] Its especially weird because its not the "normal" kind of login loop where it fails immediately [05:15] I assumed a startup program was misbehaving but disabling them all didn't seem to do anything [05:17] lol, I updated packages and rebooted a few more times and it fixed itself [05:18] A clean install is probably a good idea but I have so much stuff installed I don't want to deal with the hassle [05:18] mbrig: sometimes a clean install can fix alot of stuff, besides you would be on LTS then, long support? [05:19] yeah [05:19] I'll figure out a way to list all the packages I actually want to reinstall and do it at some point [05:20] mbrig: less hassle is taking your current /home to the new 18.04 install [05:20] yea i like to make a /home partition [05:20] well my /home is already separate [05:20] so that's ok [05:20] mbrig: setup will ask you howto [05:21] so 18.04 LTS = lont term support like you stated? what exactly does that mean? they wont be making a new update for a while and just work on the current version for bugs? [05:22] Biessie: long time support means, stable experience, and yes they keep releasing point releases .1 [05:22] gotcha [05:22] !ltsupgrade | Biessie [05:22] Biessie: Upgrades from 16.04 LTS will not be enabled until a few days after the 18.04.1 release expected in late July. [05:22] Biessie: the lts way= more secure way of handle things [05:23] perfect. im on 18.04 now with a fresh install [05:23] LTS = updates for 5 years [05:24] I'm not really concerned about my home drive its just all the development programs and stuff [05:24] like docker and its 1000 addons [05:26] fakeroot debian/rules binary-headers returns "Unknown sequence binary-headers". What am I doing wrong? [05:26] trying to build the ubuntu kernel [05:26] Matviy: we dont reccomend compiling own kernels, see !mainline [05:27] Should someone delete the wiki then? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/BuildYourOwnKernel [05:30] Matviy: no, its not because there's a wiki we reccomend it [05:31] Matviy: depends on what you want to do really [05:32] I want to follow the instructions on the Ubuntu wiki. But when I get to "fakeroot debian/rules binary-headers binary-generic binary-perarch" i get "Unknown sequence binary-headers" [05:35] Matviy: perhaps paste your whole output in a hastebin, some one else might see the clue of it? === denny is now known as Guest7310 [05:58] is there a way to install ubuntu with 'ubuntu-minimal' metapackage only? [06:00] ljc, the minimal install currently installs everything, then deletes. the 'minimal' is really just a list of what to delete.. [06:00] uh [06:00] no it isnt [06:01] use the netinstall iso [06:01]