[00:01] <april2018> my machine is headless so is gedit only if I have a GUI ?
[00:01] <Chicken_Wrap> Yep.
[00:01] <Chicken_Wrap> Gedit is graphical.
[00:01] <Chicken_Wrap> https://i.stack.imgur.com/rXTxF.png
[00:02] <april2018> that would be why I needed to use nano bit I have used vi before but nano reminds me how to use it :-P
[00:02] <april2018> thanks all for the hints
[00:17] <april2018> I just created a new volume on my server and its mounted /mount/vol1 its set to 100Gb how can I see how much space is left on the volume
[00:18] <Chicken_Wrap> df
[00:19] <GlenK> beautiful.  got packettracer up and running. and no compiz going bonkers.
[00:19] <Chicken_Wrap> Why packettracer, specifically?
[00:20] <GlenK> because I'm taking a cisco class and I need to do my homework.  =)
[00:20] <Chicken_Wrap> april2018: https://linux.die.net/man/1/df
[00:20] <Chicken_Wrap> How’s that going?
[00:20] <GlenK> great now that I finally got things working
[00:21] <GlenK> class just started so yeah.  well, sorta.  I have 2 days now to finish 3 labs.
[00:21] <GlenK> but I'll manage
[00:22] <GlenK> haha, all this pain because I'm too stubborn to run windows
[00:23] <Chicken_Wrap> What’s the lab you’re going to be working on next?
[00:33] <april2018> perfect thanks Chicken_Wrap
[00:33] <Chicken_Wrap> np
[00:43] <ste> boo
[00:43] <Chicken_Wrap> don’t scare me like that
[01:00]  * ojlima Can anyone help me, I'm installing a notebook with 16GB of RAM and SSD256Gb. what is better to use swap partition, file or not.
[01:01] <oerheks> 18.04 uses swapfile as standard, that will do fine.
[01:01] <Bashing-om> ojlima: What release are you installing .. some swap is cheap insurance .
[01:02] <luketheduke1> I thought swap wasn't recommended on an SSD? https://askubuntu.com/questions/652337/why-no-swap-partitions-on-ssd-drives
[01:02] <lotuspsychje> luketheduke1: depends on your ram
[01:02] <oerheks> meh, white spots are no real problem anymore, and trim is automatic activated
[01:07] <tomreyn> MTBF for SSDs and HDDs is about the same nowasays. Swap on SSD is not an issue unless the SSD > 5 years old.
[01:09]  * ojlima Can anyone help me, I'm installing a notebook with 16GB of RAM and SSD256Gb. what is better to use swap partition, file or not.
[01:12]  * ojlima ??
[01:14] <tomreyn> ojlima: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/p538mTgsqS/
[01:15] <tomreyn> ojlima: by the way (just in case you're not aware) there is no need to use /me to chat, you can just type.
[01:54] <lokus> hello. ubuntu 18.04. i'm fresh installing to a very old friends laptop (celeron n2840/2gb ddr2). the machine was first in UEFI mode and after ubuntu completed install from USB, the system couldn't actually boot its install. so rather than mess with it i put the BIOS to legacy mode and reinstalled. but this time, during the GUI installer my trackpad no longer worked. i thought it would be fixed
[01:54] <lokus> after install finished but it still doesnt? i fully updated
[01:56] <Dreaman> all repos on or
[01:57] <lokus> me? default repos on, i haven't changed anything
[01:57] <Dreaman> see nonfree
[01:57] <lokus> thx, looking up
[01:57] <Dreaman> settings see
[01:58] <lokus> the one thing i noticed is that, when the USB installer booted in UEFI mode it came up with a text installer, to choose whether i want to try ubuntu or install it- i picked install and then it came up with a GUI where trackpad worked. when i booted the legacy BIOS installer from usb, there was no text menu to choose try ubuntu/install ubuntu. it was a GUI selection. but the trackpad was already
[01:58] <lokus> not working here..
[01:58] <Dreaman> no
[01:58] <Dreaman> uefi
[01:59] <Dreaman> use terminal to update
[02:00] <lokus> multiverse was enabled
[02:00] <lokus> (nonfree)
[02:01] <Dreaman> change server
[02:02] <lokus> i don't understand still what misconfiguration here is going to fix the problem. what package am i missing?
[02:03] <Dreaman> fresh install
[02:03] <Dreaman> interesting
[02:03] <Dreaman> old pc
[02:04] <lokus> weird to me that if BIOS is configured in UEFI mode, all is fine. in legacy mode, trackpad doesnt work
[02:05] <Dreaman> my laptop work
[02:05] <Dreaman> no idea
[02:08] <lokus> hmm might be a bios issue actually with this hunk of junk. apparently an update may fix
[02:11] <ubuntu_> hello_world! Does anyone know how to reset the Ubuntu live installer? It had an error during installation and when I try to run it again it does not let me change partitioning settings.
[02:13] <ubuntu_> Or does anyone know the name of the package for the installer (if it has one)
[02:19] <guiverc> ubuntu_, why not used `gparted` to partition as you want, then install with 'something else' using existing partitions (you specify them)
[02:20] <guiverc> ps: if you are having glitches with installer, I'd ensure you checksum'd the iso etc  ubuntu_
[02:43] <bob98> where would I find a log from Firefox's Browser Console?
[02:49] <antergos8382> what's the reason for installing snaps as sudo?
[02:51] <lotuspsychje> antergos8382: installing packages on ubuntu always requier sudo
[02:53] <antergos8382> lotuspsychje, why do linux users complain about windows always running root then? i have to use sudo root commands to install. why can't it just install as a user? flatpaks don't ask for root permissions
[02:54] <guiverc> i don't know antergos8382, but some unconfined [legacy?] snaps can adjust/touch [fs] system files
[03:15] <devyJava> Hello! We have a Ubuntu machine at home whose GUI is completely broken. ctrl+alt+f2 does not bring up the termianl window although the machine is running. Anyone know a possible fix?
[03:18] <sadneophyte> Hey I was wondering if there was a problem with wpasupplicant and if anyone had a fix for it!
[03:26] <guiverc> devyJava, you can disable the terminals (reduce the number, or add more) - you haven't done this have you?  also crtl+alt+f2 does nothing currently on mine, but f3 & others do... I'd boot single mode (removing 'quiet splash' to see if messages provide a clue), check disk space (gui can have issues if there is no space in $HOME) etc
[03:31] <devyJava> guiverc, the machine is actually at work and by mistake I worded it incorrectly. It's running an Ethereum miner on it and continously mining block. Co-worker told me we can SSH to it and see (1/2)
[03:31] <devyJava> it's actually working but the GUI is completely broken. I don't understand the part of reducing terminals. Tomorrow morning, I will scan through Ctrl+Alt+F2-F12 to see if any return a response but I don't think it will. Removing quiet splash sounds interesting and will do it the next time the machine begins working. I have a hunch the contionous etherum miner has filled up the HDD which caused the GUI to break down. Do you happen to know a method top
[03:31] <devyJava> of your head on how to find space via ssh?(2/2)
[03:33] <bob98> what command would give me computer's current ip on its lan as well as its routers ip on wan (which is also a dynamic ip)?
[03:36] <guiverc> devyJava, a gui needs space in $HOME (/home/user) for temporary files; it generally will continue if already logged in, but login-loops if there is no free space for temporary space.  to check you login via tty (or ssh) & `df` will show you have enough space - you just delete files (it's in the user directories you need this space if it's this)
[03:38] <devyJava> guiverc, Thank you. I will check out df to see if there is free space. If there happens to be free space, what's my next best option to fix it?
[03:40] <guiverc> if not [free] space, graphics is the next most common culprit  (I can't help there sorry)  ; next is possibly user having done something...
[03:44] <antergos8382> bob98, ip addr show,  for yours
[03:45] <antergos8382> been a while. seems irc is so dead these days. did everyone run off to discord?
[03:46] <sadneophyte> does anyone know why network manager might only let me connect to open wifi?
[03:46] <sadneophyte> this is happening in 18.04
[03:48] <bob98> antergos8382: "ip addr show" showed a comp's ip on its lan, but not comp's router's ip on wan
[03:49] <antergos8382> whatever your ip is the router is likely *.*.*.1
[03:49] <antergos8382> ip route show default
[03:50] <bob98> antergos8382: no, I mean what ip is assigned by dhcp lease by an isp
[03:50] <sadneophyte> So, I can take my networkmanager settings for 16.04 and bring them over to 18.04 and they stop working.  It almost seems like wpasupplicant is failing
[03:51] <antergos8382> bob98, host myip.opendns.com resolver1.opendns.com
[03:54] <sadneophyte> but the card connects perfectly with unsecured networks
[03:57] <devyJava> guiverc, thank you. I'm going to sleep now. I hope you have a a good one
[04:00] <bob98> antergos8382: so this approach queries opendns server rather than an isp's server for the current dynamic ip; it is a good option. However, in a case where a lan router is rented from an isp, put on dynamic assignment and the isp's dhcp lease is also dynamicaly assigned, I was wondering if I could get both changing ip's with one command by just quering the isp's server
[04:09] <headless_nick> fuuuck
[04:15] <lotuspsychje> !language | headless_nick
[04:22] <guiverc> bob98,  (very belated sorry) i've seen tons of scripts (blogged about) that detect your external-ip-addr; i've never taken notice of them
[04:23] <bob98> guiverc: any idea how to track down such a script; if it is convinient - why not use it?
[04:25] <headless_nick> bob98: trivial
[04:25] <guiverc> bob98, other than a search engine, not really.  i'd likely have read it via liferea (my rss feeds) but as I've no use for it, I couldn't tell you where/when..
[04:26] <guiverc> (other than i've seen different approaches a number of times...)
[04:26] <headless_nick> just wget and parse
[04:26] <headless_nick> very trivial
[04:26] <headless_nick> <img class="icono" alt="ip" src="/img/globe_network.png"><span id="ip">
[04:28] <bob98> maybe there is a way to make the ip command give a more elegant answer than  by "ip addr show"?
[04:29] <bob98> headless_nick: could you explain that?
[04:32] <guiverc> bob98, try `dig +short myip.opendns.com @resolver1.opendns.com`  (this may be what antergos8382 was talking about; i wasn't watching)
[04:35] <bob98> guiverc: that gives the ip of opendns's server itself :(
[04:37] <antergos8382> bob98, it gives your wan ip, or should
[04:43] <oerheks> ifconfig | grep inet && curl -s icanhazip.com
[04:53] <bob98> oerheks: that's elegant :) everything in one place!
[04:54] <deusexmachina> heh
[04:55] <deusexmachina> that should be a script in /usr/bin
[04:57] <bob98> antergos8382: I guess I confused the two ip's given by the command you suggested, sorry :)
[04:59] <bob98> btw, could you help a newbie, further his knowledge of bash with a good refference on usage of operators like: "&&, ||, |, @" etc.?
[05:05] <Bashing-om> bob98: The better one that I am aware of: http://mywiki.wooledge.org/FullBashGuide .
[05:06] <oerheks> and a helpfull #bash channel here on #freenode
[05:11] <bob98> thank you all for such great help! :) :) :)
[05:16] <vali> morning
[05:39] <qwebirc8914> Hello
[05:40] <qwebirc8914> i am in need of assistance for ubuntu 18.04 if anyone is willing
[05:40] <headless_nick> what
[05:41] <headless_nick> just ask
[05:41] <Tecan> something wierd about ubuntu 18.04
[05:42] <qwebirc8914> using gigabyte b250 fintech mining expert. installed ubuntu 18.04 updated kernals and everything else. installed amdgpu-install --compute
[05:42] <Tecan> xorg hangsup running at 20%
[05:42] <qwebirc8914> 12 gpu has me stuck in a login loop
[05:42] <qwebirc8914> 6 gpu works fine
[05:42] <qwebirc8914> they are all rx 480 and 580
[05:42] <Tecan> 18.04 xorg uses too much cpu
[05:43]  * Tecan >>> Auto-op est suspendu...
[05:43] <qwebirc8914> can someone please help me? i have a 12 gpu mining rig on ubuntu 18.04 that gets stuck in the login loop
[05:46] <headless_nick> check dmesg
[05:46] <headless_nick> if it gives any clues
[05:47] <oerheks> 6x150 + 6x 235 watt ..
[05:47] <oerheks> lolz
[05:59] <luxio> anyone know of a file manager that allows to disable thumbnail caching?
[06:15] <hay207> hi , using kubuntu 18.04 bluetooth adapter not found
[06:15] <hay207> dmesg says [   19.300940] Bluetooth: hci0: don't support firmware rome 0x31010000
[06:25] <retr01> Anyone given 18.04 a shot yet?
[06:51] <caine> Someone say something
[07:14] <FatSpitfire> any way to fix ubuntu server 12.04 boot with ssh from distance ?
[07:14] <lotuspsychje> FatSpitfire: is it 12.04 ESM version?
[07:15] <ducasse> FatSpitfire: 12.04 is no longer supported here, time to upgrade
[07:16] <FatSpitfire> yes , i think - boot stops at 19.6 and sais   smth about some files missig and unablig to mount
[07:18] <FatSpitfire> why , it used to work fine - i haven't turn it on in a couple of years - it's a dual boot with XP
[07:19] <FatSpitfire> i guess XP finally broke Ubuntu ... LoL
[07:19] <lotuspsychje> FatSpitfire: as sugested by ducasse 12.04 is end of life, install a supported version from our topic
[07:20] <lotuspsychje> FatSpitfire: unless you payed for ESM?
[07:20] <lotuspsychje> !esm
[07:21] <FatSpitfire> oh , ok
[07:21] <FatSpitfire> thanks guys
[07:24] <sadneophyte> I need some help offering a solution to launchpad for 18.04
[07:24] <sadneophyte> so like from an active person who has an account
[07:25] <ducasse> just describe your issue, see if someone can help
[07:25] <sadneophyte> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/1748839
[07:26] <sadneophyte> This is solved by regression
[07:26] <gokhan> hi folks, I want to use vlan when  booting ubuntu give kernel parameters with netcfg.  I used this parameters: (netcfg/use_autoconfig=false netcfg/choose_interface=eth0 netcfg/get_ipaddress=10.1.20.3 netcfg/get_netmask=255.255.255.0 #netcfg/get_gateway=10.1.20.1 netcfg/get_nameservers=8.8.8.8 netcfg/confirm_static=true netcfg/use_vlan=true netcfg/vlan_id=20) but I am getting errors when assigning vlan. it says operation is not supported. How can I solve this
[07:26] <gokhan>  ? I need your help. I trying this on ubuntu 16.04.3
[07:26] <sadneophyte> compilation of original bionic code at https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/wpa/2:2.4-1.1ubuntu1 can be used to allow WPA supplicant to work with enterprise TLS certificates
[07:28] <sadneophyte> ducasse, If you could pose this to the bugset, it will save someone else from spending hours tying to debug wpasupplicant 2.6 which has downstream bugs
[07:29] <sadneophyte> like ubuntu 18.04 is unusable for some american achedemics now because of the national eduroam program which uses WPA2 certs at universities, which ubuntu is somewhat no longer compatible
[07:45] <lotuspsychje> gokhan: not directly related, but consider updating your system to 16.04.4
[07:50] <gokhan> lotuspsychje, thanks ı am now trying 16.04.4 . https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/netcfg/+bug/1567687 it says vlan is spported
[08:02] <Renee> hi
[08:03] <Renee> I am in huge trouble
[08:03] <Renee> I started installing something
[08:03] <mistnim> hi, I have the latest ubunut, at some point I started getting "read-only filesystem" while trying to do anything, so I rebooted and ubuntu booted to (initramfs).  I booted from the livecd and the disk seems fine, I can read and write to it. Suggestions?
[08:04] <Renee> after the downloads started, I realized openjdk 11 is downloading too
[08:04] <Renee> so I interrupted the downloads with CTRL+C
[08:04] <Renee> https://dpaste.de/YsX9/raw
[08:04] <Renee> how can I tell aptitude that I re-decided?
[08:05] <guiverc> mistnim, disk seems fine?  do you mean you checked hardware (smartctl) or logical (fsck/xfs_check/...)?
[08:06] <fengshaun> oh wow, ubuntu on surface pro 3 just works
[08:06] <fengshaun> volume, suspend, brightness, wifi
[08:06] <mistnim> guiverc: I haven't, but I managed to backup all my files from the livecd and I could write new file to the disk
[08:06] <fengshaun> everything out of the box
[08:09] <lotuspsychje> !discuss | fengshaun
[08:11] <guiverc> mistnim, i'd check hardware (habit mostly), then look at what fs (filesystem) you're using and fsck (or as appropriate; my 18.04 uses xfs so it's xfs_check - i recently had to do it because of a glitch too) - doing this from live media (https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1518426  may help with fsck - i'm not good @ talking people thru stuff sorry)
[08:14] <guiverc> mistnim, by checking hardware i meant the aforementioned `smartctl` command
[08:14] <mistnim> guiverc: I did it, it looks good, also fsck doesn't report problems
[08:15] <mistnim> I have encrypted disks though, I'm not sure it is as simple as fsck /dev/sda2?
[08:16] <guiverc> mistnim, nah it'll mean you have lvm - i don't use often enough [lvm] to advise sorry.
[08:18] <gokhan> lotuspsychje, I tried on 16.04.4 but again same error
[08:18] <guiverc> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lvm  - but I don't see what i'm looking (I think its pv|lv|vgcheck but not sure)
[08:19] <Gobo708> Anyone know a good way to diagnose why mod_rewrite is not working in .htaccess?
[08:20] <Jonno_FTW> hello
[08:20] <Jonno_FTW> I have a problem
[08:20] <Jonno_FTW> apt update gives me: E: The repository 'https://qgis.org/ubuntugis-nightly-release xenial Release' does not have a Release file, despite the fact the file exists: https://qgis.org/ubuntugis-nightly-release/dists/xenial/Release
[08:20] <guiverc> mistnim, ignore my last - encryption means you can't make a mistake..
[08:21] <mistnim> isnt't there a way to tell what problem the kernel encounters when it drops you to initramfs?
[08:23] <guiverc> assuming disk & fs is okay; I'd next check your /etc/fstab for issues; then what you're thinking `dmesg` on boot (even booting with 'quiet splash` disabled, maybe with `) or journctl..
[08:24] <guiverc> s/with `/with 1/
[08:25] <geodb27> People : hi ! I'm running kubuntu 16.04 on my laptop and I have setup my imap account with kontact. So good so far. The problem I face is that the expiration I've setup on some imap folders don't work at all. Is that a known bug ?
[08:33] <yellabs> hello all
[08:34] <yellabs> there is a feature on ubuntu that when a program "freezes" you get a popup message, is there a way to set the time before popup shows ?
[08:39] <yellabs> conjo did you chmod a+x it ?
[08:43] <root> hi
[09:00] <kaypey> How can recomment a channel for bash scripting questions?
[09:00] <Randolf> kaypey:  Try this command?  /join bash
[09:00] <Randolf> ...or /join #bash
[09:01] <kaypey> ok thx
[09:01] <Randolf> You're welcome.
[09:02] <som> hi all
[09:43] <pmitros> Periodically, a Google Chrome process starts using 100% CPU. I gradually drag the mouse over, jump by jump, to a terminal. I run top, wait for the keystrokes to show up. Then I kill the process. Computer works fine until another Chrome process does the same.
[09:43] <pmitros> Is there any way to cap out Chrome processes at e.g 37% CPU? So there's always CPU left for other things?
[09:48] <Jonta> pmitros: Haven't looked into that, but I suggest using a keyboard shortcut to switch to a terminal, instead of dragging the mouse
[09:49] <luxio> Animations in GNOME are choppy, e.g. when clicking on the "Show Applications" button (bottom left), anyone else experience this?
[09:49] <luxio> 18.04
[09:50] <Jonta> pmitros: I also expect that a standard answer's going to be "allocating CPU is something that should be left to the OS/kernel/magic". So. Just getting that answer out of the way. =)
[09:51] <pmitros> Jonta: I have focus-follows-the-mouse so the mouse drag is pretty fast. Keyboard shortcuts are a bit slower, actually. My terminal's on a different monitor, and my window manager doesn't handle keyboard switches all too fluently there.
[09:51] <pmitros> Jonta: It's sort of a hard mouse drag to the far left.
[09:52] <Jonta> Aw
[09:52] <pmitros> Jonta: And I'd be glad to leave CPU and memory management to the OS/kernel if it did a decent job with it. It doesn't. A slow process can grind everything else to a halt. I handled out-of-memory by buying more memory and making a large swap, but I can't do the same for CPU.
[09:53] <Jonta> I know, I know. Just trying to preempt someone asking that question, and getting that answer
[09:56] <Jonta> pmitros: Have you looked at `cpulimit` and `nice`?
[09:58] <BluesKaj> 'Morning folks
[10:00] <Jonta> BluesKaj: Morning
[10:01] <BluesKaj> hi Jonta
[10:02] <pmitros> Jonta: I'd looked into cpulimit. It's on a per-process basis sending start/stop messages to it, as far as I understand, which is a bit inefficient. It would also have to have a supporting daemon which called it on each new chrome process.
[10:02] <pmitros> Jonta: I'm looking into cgroups right now. I don't know if it's the right thing.
[10:02] <blackflow> pmitros: if anything, use cgroups for that
[10:03] <blackflow> pmitros: look up `cgexec` command
[10:03] <blackflow> I'm guessing you could even adjust the .desktop link to start chrome with cgexec
[10:04] <pmitros> blackflow: Thank you. I just Googled it, and reading right now.
[10:05] <blackflow> pmitros: however, note that this is just stopgap solution. Ideally you should try to figure out what's causing it. Since the entire UI is slowing down, I'd guess it's a gpu/acceleration issue. Which gpu you have there?
[10:06] <blackflow> also, is it Chrome or Chromium? If Chrome, why? What do you need from it that Chromium doesn't have?
[10:07] <pmitros> blackflow: I have a pair of NVidia cards. lspci shows GeForce GT 630. They are driving a fair number of pixels, though. 16 megapixels.
[10:07] <blackflow> pmitros: nouveau or nvidia proprietary driver?
[10:09] <pmitros> blackflow: I have similar issues across web browsers.
[10:09] <pmitros> blackflow: Driver is "nvidia" in xorg.conf, which I think is NVidia proprietary. I remember messing with this many years back and trying all possible drivers until one worked.
[10:10] <blackflow> pmitros: xorg.conf? Which ubuntu is that?
[10:10] <pmitros> Ubuntu 16.04.4 LTS
[10:10] <pmitros> xenial
[10:11] <blackflow> pmitros: and how did you install the nvidia driver? manually or through apt?
[10:11] <pmitros> Honestly, I'm not sure; 90% odds manually, though. I remember messing with versions.
[10:12] <blackflow> so it never received an update?
[10:12] <pmitros> The setup was very finicky; I wouldn't want to upgrade. New versions both introduce and remove bugs.
[10:13] <pmitros> Unless there were security issue, I'd want to stay with the same thing
[10:13] <BluesKaj> pmitros,, do you recall downloading a driver from the nvidia website?
[10:13] <pmitros> BluesKaj: I definitely did. But I installed/uninstalled many drivers before this started working correctly.
[10:13] <blackflow> yeah, no. I think that's your problem right there. You should really do two things. First, remove the manually installed driver and let it be managed by apt. I'd personally recomend using the official graphics PPA for the latest nvidia, it's stable enough and fixes some major bugs I'm havign with bionic's default 390, but that's just me.
[10:14] <blackflow> Second, backup xorg.conf and remove it from /etc/X11/ . You really don't need it unless you want some specific custom setup.
[10:15] <pmitros> blackflow: I have a custom setup, and it is super-finicky. I have five monitors. One is 4k, and four are 1080p. Of the 1080p ones, two are rotated 90 degrees.
[10:15] <blackflow> (and having it can easily lead to wrong config if you don't know what you're doing)
[10:15] <blackflow> ah.
[10:15] <blackflow> well.... then I'd recommend start with a newer driver.
[10:15] <pmitros> blackflow: That leads to a non-rectangular overall shape for the screens, which some of the drivers had major bugs wiht.
[10:16] <pmitros> blackflow: Apps were positioning themselves in non-existant parts of the desktop.
[10:16] <blackflow> multi monitor setup is really the domain of the compositor, not the gpu driver
[10:16] <BluesKaj> pmitros, although the website driver might work at first , after a kernel upgrade the driver module will no longer work due to dependency problems
[10:16] <BluesKaj> or work properly
[10:16] <pmitros> blackflow: Some of the drivers had major graphics relics.
[10:16] <blackflow> and what BluesKaj said. each kernel upgrade would require you to rebuild all manually build drivers (or use dkms packages which triggers rebuild automatically)
[10:17] <pmitros> I do know I've upgraded kernels many times since.
[10:17] <blackflow> pmitros: you can alwyas revert back to runnign your manually built version (if you ahve the original nvidia .run file around). I'd seriously recommend you give newer versions a try.
[10:17] <blackflow> nvidia was far more buggy years back in my experience.
[10:18] <blackflow> pmitros: if you upgraded the kernel and didn't rebuild the driver..... then you're not really using the driver? can you check via xorg log?
[10:18] <BluesKaj> yeah, nvidia drivers are quite stable now
[10:18] <blackflow> (which really depends on how you upgraded the kernel really. if I'm not mistaken, minor revisions with no ABI change dont' require rebuild)
[10:19] <blackflow> BluesKaj: 396 for me, though, from the graphics PPA. with 390, Gnome is crashing two, three times a day.
[10:20] <blackflow> (but I blame gnome. I hve KDE and i3wm machines running 390 with zero issues)
[10:20] <pmitros> log shows loading fine. LoadModule: "nvidia" Module nvidia: vendor="NVIDIA Corporation" compiled for 4.0.2, module version = 1.0.0 Module class: X.Org Video Driver
[10:21] <blackflow> pmitros: what's 4.0.2 in this case?
[10:22] <blackflow> surely not the kernel?!
[10:22] <BluesKaj> pmitros, is the 396 the recommended driver for your gpu , not sure how one determines this on gnome ...I'm on kde/plasma
[10:22] <Lope> I've installed KDE-plasma on Ubuntu 18.04 and there is no wifi/network manager? I needed to connect to a wifi network and had to use nmtui. Any ideas?
[10:22] <pmitros> blackflow: uname shows a 4.4 kernel.
[10:23] <pmitros> Blues: I'm not running gnome. Just xmonad.
[10:23] <blackflow> pmitros: so what's 4.0.2? Anyway, look deeper into the xorg log. It will load modules (the LoadModule line) but not necessarily use them
[10:24] <pmitros> blackflow: I don't know. Perhaps it was compiled against 4.0.2 and is still somehow working? The log is clearly showing NVIDIA working. There are more log lines showing monitors, etc.
[10:26] <pmitros> I just installed glxinfo. server glx vendor string: NVIDIA Corporation (and all the other lines are similar). So it's clearly Nvidia's driver
[10:27] <pmitros> The setup's imperfect, but it works. Until it breaks, I'm happy with it. Mostly, I just want the browser to not slow my system down. It seems like cgroups might be the way to go. I wouldn't mind a hard cap, though, like climit does. Burning 100% CPU, even with nothing competing, seems like it wastes power.
[10:28] <pmitros> That seems unnecessary.
[10:29] <_kj_> Hi folks, one stupid question regarding: this program https://pastebin.com/VvHi0RsF seems to succesfully bind to 127.0.0.1, but there is no way to see such binding in netstat -ntp or connect to 1234 using -p parameter.
[10:30] <_kj_> Trying to figure out what is going on. In contrary, FreeBSD kernel in its Jail implementation correctly maps 127.0.0.1 to container IP, allowing user to connect to given port
[10:30] <_kj_> I think Linux kernel should do the same or return error if such bindind is not possible.
[10:31] <ppf> _kj_: you're not checking the return value of listen()
[10:31] <_kj_> Yeah, but the problem is in bind(2), not in listen.
[10:32] <_kj_> Apart from this, you are absolutely correct.
[10:39] <ppf> _kj_: if you're prevented from opening that socket because the port number is too low, you might well notice that only at the listen()
[10:39] <_kj_> I tried also with error-checked listen
[10:39] <_kj_> both (bind, listen) return success but no connection is possible
[10:40] <_kj_> netstat also does not report anything
[10:40] <_kj_> using -p problem still appears.
[10:40] <_kj_> I am not sure if this is kernel-related bug or docker-related one.
[10:41] <_kj_> However, clearly - situation when bind(2) succeeds and no binding is made is wrong. I spent 2hrs trying to debug why my app is not working and the reason was: bound to 127.0.0.1 was successful with no visible effect.
[10:41] <ppf> if you run the program outside the container, what's the effect?
[10:41] <_kj_> Binds correctly.
[10:41] <_kj_> (assuming no other program is listening on 127.0.0.1:1234)
[10:42] <ppf> if you run it inside, what's netstat show _inside_?
[10:42] <_kj_> I will investigate.
[10:45] <ljc> i've got a pretty bare fresh install of 18.04 and a program i'm using launches a webserver, but i can't connect to it from another computer
[10:45] <ppf> ljc: sudo netstat -tulpn
[10:46] <ppf> see if it's there
[10:47] <_kj_> Hmm, now I see. It looks like container has its own 127.0.0.1
[10:48] <ppf> _kj_: of course, that's kinda the point of a container. you need to forward the port from your host into the container
[10:48] <_kj_> Sure, I was pretty sure that like in Free, there is only one IP per container.
[10:49] <_kj_> I did not expect 127.0.0.1 to be there, eh, newbie problems.
[10:49] <ppf> but even on bsd you'd have to EXPOSE that port, no?
[10:50] <_kj_> It depends.
[10:51] <_kj_> Basically, very basic configuration is via alias on existing interface. In such case you don't need to do that.
[10:51] <_kj_> However, more complicated solutions - like interface per jail or fully virtualized network via VIMAGE requires some extended setup like redirect on firewall.
[11:11] <justchat> Good morning and good evening fellows;  any topic related to Ubuntu Xenial ?
[11:12] <jakecross> Hello everyone, I am having trouble resolving *.local domains in the office. When I connect to them via their VPN, it works (having prioritized dns over mdns4 in nsswitch) but when I am not on the VPN, that doesn't work either. What would you recommend I try to find out why there is this difference?
[11:14] <justchat> Just a simple guess,  could it be related to smb.config? Samba
[11:18] <justchat> Have you tried reconfigured security access in the domain, ports, ect?
[11:19] <ppf> jakecross: avahi interferes with .local domains
[11:19] <ppf> !avahi
[11:20] <ppf> guess there's no factoid for that
[11:21] <justchat> What's avahi?
[11:21] <ppf> zeroconf
[11:22] <jakecross> ppf, is there a simple way to remove avahi completely?
[11:23] <ppf> systemctl disable avahi-daemon
[11:26] <jakecross> ppf, sudo systemctl list-units | grep avahi still shows avahi service and socket as loaded active running
[11:27] <ppf> yes, you need to stop it, too
[11:27] <jakecross> will that persist between reboots?
[11:27] <ppf> disable will, stop will not
[11:27] <jakecross> do I need to do the same with avahi-daemon.socket?
[11:28] <ppf> yes
[11:28] <jakecross> Cool. Do I need to restart any other network services to get things working?
[11:29] <ppf> no i don't think so
[11:30] <jakecross> Still no luck in resolving the .local domain after stopping and disabling avahi :(
[11:30] <jakecross> let me try logging out to give it a jump
[11:31] <justchat> what about dns meaning resolve.conf? I suppose you could try restarting this
[11:32] <jakecross> ppf, nope :(
[11:32] <tomreyn> might need / want to restart networking in general
[11:32] <jakecross> is that systemctl restart networking
[11:32] <tomreyn> i think so
[11:32] <ppf> yeah
[11:32] <jakecross> no dice
[11:33] <tomreyn> how about network-manager.service :)
[11:33] <jakecross> The strange thing here to me, is that even when Avahi was running, it wasn't an issue when I was on their VPN
[11:33] <jakecross> When I connect to their wireless, that's when it stops resolving the local
[11:35] <tomreyn> maybe with the vpn .local was returned as a dns search domain, but not on the wireless
[11:35] <tomreyn> (via dhcp)
[11:35] <jakecross> Possible
[11:35] <jakecross> How would I check the difference there?
[11:35] <tomreyn> connect, cat /etc/resolv
[11:36] <tomreyn> fo this on both networks and compare results
[11:36] <tomreyn> *do
[11:36] <jakecross> `cat /etc/resolv` - no such file
[11:37] <leftyfb>  /etc/resolv.conf
[11:38] <tomreyn> oops right
[11:39] <jakecross> on wireless: nameserver 127.0.0.53, search thetrainline.com
[11:39] <jakecross> on vpn: nameserver 10.128.3.231, nameserver 10.128.3.232, search company.com company.com
[11:40] <jakecross> Those lovely nameserver entries... they'll be why things work I guess.
[11:42] <leftyfb> gotta us nmcli to check the nameservers when on regular wifi
[12:10] <digi_quake> Hi!! everyone, Need some help!! My ubuntu vm just broke down. I don't know how but it is refusing to boot in GUI mode. The error that I'm getting is : "Inodes that were part of the corrupted orphan linked list found"
[12:12] <digi_quake> moreover, it says, "UNEXPECTED INCONSISTENCY: RUN fsck MANUALLY"
[12:19] <mIk3_08> just type sudo fsck then follow instructions
[12:20] <mIk3_08> digi_quake: just type sudo fsck then follow instructions
[12:24] <digi_quake> thanks mIk3_08. I did that.. and its now working fine
[12:24] <digi_quake> thanks a lot :)
[12:25] <mIk3_08> Welcome digi_quake... Good Luck...
[12:26] <luxio> anyone know of programs that let you record your mouse movements and replay them?
[12:27] <user> like a macro?
[12:28] <luxio> yeah
[12:28] <uboa> i try to make backup in deja-dup and i get "gpg: decryption failed: Bad session key" :(
[12:29] <user> Haven't tried it myself, but this might work https://askubuntu.com/questions/752325/any-macro-recorder-programs-availiable/966018
[12:42] <JimBuntu> luxio, I have not used a record and playback tool, xdotool works for scripted things.
[12:47] <luxio> JimBuntu: unfortunately xdotool won't work for me, i need very precise specific mouse movements
[12:47] <luxio> complex ones
[12:53] <JimBuntu> luxio, I use a teensy to overcome OS issues. Shows up as a HID and allows for complex playback of KB and mouse movements. Again, not a simple record and playback system though.
[12:55] <JimBuntu> luxio, Have you already looked at cnee/gnee/xnee, xmacro, actiona & sikuli?
[13:04] <uboa> https://i.imgur.com/AA2Qo2z.png I'm getting this when trying to backup with deja-dup. Before this it kept thinking it was making the first backup. -_-;
[13:12] <Nordo> hey everyone, how can i put shortcuts for application on Desktop? i tried dragging, but not working
[13:22] <mIk3_08> Nordo: home/desktop folder
[13:24] <mIk3_08> Nordo: /home/username/desktop
[13:29] <new_stud1nt> Hi! Where can I find the fix (patch) which closed this issue: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gcc-4.6-armel-cross/+bug/799965
[13:34] <DimeCadmium> how can i make 18.04 renew my ip?
[13:36] <Lope> ubuntu 18.04 came with gnome3, I've installed KDE, now I want to remove gnome3. Which is the main gnome package to remove?
[13:39] <DimeCadmium> nvm, link down/link up works, albeit overkill
[13:39] <Nach0z> .... dangit dime
[13:45] <Lope> I've `apt-get remove`d gdm3 gnome-shell ubuntu-desktop, but not much gnome stuff has been removed. I've still got a million things like gnome-calendar and gnome-younameit.
[13:45] <Lope> autoremove doesn't remove more gnome things.
[14:06] <Smilex> Hey. I just booted back into a computer that I haven't used for some time, and I see that my version of ubuntu is 16. However when I do apt upgrade, apt dist-upgrade or do-release-upgrade, all of them respond that there are no updates available. How come?
[14:07] <leftyfb> Smilex: what version of ubuntu?
[14:07] <Smilex> 16.04 Xenial
[14:08] <leftyfb> Smilex: sudo apt-get update
[14:08] <Smilex> done
[14:11] <leftyfb> Smilex: now your upgrades should work
[14:11] <Lope> I've run `apt-get install firefox; apt-get remove --purge *gnome*` and it still wants to remove firefox... any ideas?
[14:12] <Lope> I've got kde-plasma installed.
[14:12] <leftyfb> Lope: let purge *gnome* finish and then install firefox
[14:13] <Lope> leftyfb: okay
[14:15] <Smilex> the answer was "do-release-upgrade -d"
[14:16] <Smilex> leftyfb: they didn't
[14:16] <leftyfb> uh, no
[14:16] <skinux> I'm having problems installing nginx https://gist.github.com/skinuxgeek/5e2d37e6fc366d030a8c44e439ad02de
[14:16] <leftyfb> Smilex: do-release-upgrade updates to the next release
[14:16] <leftyfb> As in, it'll attempt to upgrade to 18.04
[14:16] <Smilex> leftyfb: I tried several times
[14:17] <Smilex> I only got an update with do-release-upgrade -d
[14:17] <Smilex> Am I breaking anything with that added flag?
[14:17] <leftyfb> Smilex: again, that will upgrade the release to a completely new version. Which I assume isn't what you're looking to do
[14:18] <leftyfb> skinux: which repo are those packages trying to pull from? (hint: use apt-cache policy)
[14:18] <Smilex> I want to go from 16.04, to 18.04
[14:18] <leftyfb> Smilex: ok, then do-release-upgrade is what you want. Running without -d won't be available until 18.04.1 is released in July
[14:19] <Smilex> leftyfb: But this moves me to the next LTS, not 18.10?
[14:20] <leftyfb> Smilex: I'm not 100% sure to be honest. You DO NOT want 18.10.
[14:20] <leftyfb> Smilex: I would wait until 18.04.1 is released
[14:23] <Smilex> Yeah. I keep getting burnt by always using the newest stuff
[14:23] <Smilex> thanks
[14:24] <leftyfb> Smilex: you should stick with LTS releases. You're fine for now
[14:24] <somebody_> i need to downgrade to e2fsprogs-1.42.12-2 under ubuntu 18.04. how can i do this?
[14:24] <leftyfb> somebody_: why?
[14:24] <somebody_> leftyfb: because i want to use extundelete, which crashes with the latest e2fprogs but is said not to crash with e2fsprogs-1.42.12-2
[14:25] <leftyfb> somebody_: doesn't looks like 1.42 is available in bionic
[14:25] <somebody_> can i use some older ubuntu release which has e2fsprogs-1.42.12-2?
[14:26] <leftyfb> somebody_: 16.04. You could run that in an lxd container
[14:26] <skinux> Repo is us.archive.ubuntu.com bionic
[14:26] <skinux> @leftyb
[14:28] <somebody_> leftyfb: 16.04 has version 1.42.13 regarding https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=e2fsprogs, i don't know whether this works. maybe i should try 14.04?
[14:28] <leftyfb> somebody_: I would try 16.04
[14:28] <somebody_> it's not possible to use the 14.04 repo for getting the previous e2fprogs version into bionic, right?
[14:29] <leftyfb> somebody_: I wouldn't
[14:30] <somebody_> i'm running ubuntu live usb anyway so i only need those older e2fsprogs and do not care whether the rest of the system keeps running for long
[14:30] <leftyfb> somebody_: what version do you run normally?
[14:30] <somebody_> normally i'm on arch linux
[14:32] <klemax> has anybody experienced ati driver issues after upgrading from 17.10 to 18.04?
[14:32] <somebody_> i'll see which older ubuntu version i use for trying extundelete there. thanks for now!
[14:47] <varshitbhat> Can anayone please compare kde with gnome
[14:47] <varshitbhat> I like gnome
[14:48] <justchat> Hey guys! Does anyone know the best way to successfully upgrade from 16.04 to 18.04?
[14:49] <varshitbhat> justchat: download iso,burn to pendrive or cd disk,boot from the burnt device
[14:50] <justchat> and what's the Iso size?
[14:53] <BluesKaj> justchat, until the point release in july use do-release-upgrade -d,  and make sure LTS only is set in your package manager
[14:53] <varshitbhat> justchat: it's around 1.8gb
[14:54] <justchat> Where is the option to set Lts in package manager?
[14:58] <BluesKaj> in software sources>updates>release upgrade>long term release upgrades only
[14:58] <cristian_c> hi
[14:59] <cristian_c> I've made a search on launchpad, but I've found no bug reports related
[14:59] <skinux> I installed kubuntu-desktop, but there is no option for it at login
[14:59] <cristian_c> I've got a wireless bt game controller, and when I try to pair it, I get a pin request
[15:00] <cristian_c> but a game controller have no number kys, so I don't know how to pair
[15:00] <cristian_c> *keys
[15:00] <cristian_c> any ideas?
[15:01] <BluesKaj> skinux, install plasma-workspace as well
[15:03] <leftyfb> cristian_c: tried 0000 ?
[15:04] <cristian_c> leftyfb: I can't type numbers on a game controller
[15:04] <cristian_c> it has no number keys
[15:05] <leftyfb> it shouldn't be asking to type a pin on the device. Almost no devices ask for that. You probably need to type in in ubuntu somewhere
[15:05] <cristian_c> if I try to pair a wireless bt keybpard, I can type pin, obviously
[15:06] <cristian_c> leftyfb: ok, but I juat receive a desktop notification with pin when I try to pair
[15:06] <cristian_c> and no popup dialog with text field
[15:06] <cristian_c> *just
[15:07] <leftyfb> cristian_c: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/12888589/linux-command-line-howto-accept-pairing-for-bluetooth-device-without-pin
[15:07] <cristian_c> leftyfb: before, I've made a search on launchpad but I've found no bug reports
[15:08] <cristian_c> leftyfb: ok, tha ks, but topic is 2012 old
[15:08] <cristian_c> before systemd change
[15:08] <leftyfb> did you try it?
[15:08] <cristian_c> systemd/bluez5 change
[15:08] <cristian_c> leftyfb: I'll try, surely
[15:08] <cristian_c> :)
[15:19] <dwigton> I like to setup my own partitions at install, but I get confused about what I am supposed to do for the boot record.  If I turn off secure boot what is the recommended size / type?
[15:23] <mikeymop> !apologies
[15:23] <mikeymop> hmmm, halp
[15:24] <cristian_c> leftyfb: 'Try setting security to none in /etc/bluetooth/hcid.conf'
[15:24] <leftyfb> mikeymop: what do you need help with?
[15:25] <cristian_c> leftyfb: unfortunately, there's not hcid.conf in /etc/bluetooth directory
[15:25] <leftyfb> cristian_c: try adding it. Or following the manual pairing instructions in the rest of the article
[15:28] <cristian_c> leftyfb: what post/comment do you talk about, at that page?
[16:03] <zio_saggio> hey there
[16:12] <svip> I am running 16.04 Xubuntu, and wish to upgrade to 18.04 LTS.  But do-release-upgrade says no new release found, how can that be?
[16:13] <svip> Aaah.  It's waiting for 18.04.1.
[16:13] <svip> When will that be released?
[16:15] <leftyfb> July
[16:15] <svip> leftyfb: Thank you.
[16:15] <stan7> when i do apt-get install and i get and error with missing dependences, what im doing wrong?
[16:16] <stan7> i though with ubuntu repositories i dont get this problem
[16:16] <svip> stan7: Have you installed anything third party?
[16:16] <leftyfb> stan7: what version of ubuntu?
[16:17] <stan7> im trying to install pgadmin3
[16:18] <stan7> where can i paste the message? i dont wanna past here, for showing you
[16:18] <svip> stan7: pastebin?
[16:18] <stan7> yes
[16:19] <leftyfb> stan7: what version of ubuntu?
[16:19] <cristian_c> leftyfb: any ideas?
[16:19] <stan7> Ubuntu 16.04.4 LTS
[16:20] <stan7> https://pastebin.com/n94J9JYr
[16:22] <Klanticus> hey guys, not sure if this is the right place to ask, but I'm having trouble compiling some code in ubuntu using arm-none-eabi-gcc. It compiles fine on a fedora machine but I get errors related to VFP incompatibilities.  Anybody able to help?
[16:27] <coconut> Can dd also be used for things without using /dev/* devices?
[16:28] <mtdms> https://pastebin.com/3kxsJhaU
[16:28] <mtdms> it is the problem with dependences i have
[16:28] <nacc> coconut: yes, what is your specific case?
[16:29] <coconut> no just got curious.
[16:29] <mtdms> i though with ubuntu repositories i havent problem with dependencies
[16:29] <coconut> thnx though
[16:31] <nacc> coconut: np
[16:31] <nacc> mtdms: looking
[16:31] <nacc> mtdms: what version of ubuntu?
[16:32] <jim_beginner> Hello! I am making a live usb for Lubuntu x64 with etcher. The usb does not boot - I've changed the uefi bios setting to boot from the usb and disabled secure boot but it still doesn't load the OS. I tried 2 different usbs and formatted them to FAT32.
[16:33] <jim_beginner> Any ideas? The folder for the usb that etcher produces is the EFI folder with bootx64 and grub64 but no linux iso is displayed in said folder
[16:33] <SporkWitch> #lubuntu
[16:33] <nacc> mtdms: an no, it's not a dependencies problem exactly. You have asked apt-get to do something it won't do by default (because something else is installed, etc).
[16:33] <jim_beginner> Oh alright, thanks
[16:34] <nacc> mtdms: also, possibly you *already* have dependency issues (not related to pgadmin3). Can you run `sudo apt-get -s -f install` ?
[16:40] <realcashmoney26>  /msg NickServ VERIFY REGISTER realcashmoney26 nojvcydlphdd
[16:40] <SporkWitch> rip
[16:41]  * coconut looks the other way
[16:41] <SporkWitch> realcashmoney26: you'll want to be changing that password; this is also why you should never identify or register in a channel, but instead from the server tab
[16:41] <srg> Hi all. I'm on ubuntu server. I have a handful of cronjobs like this: "cd /var/www/html/site1/ && my_custom_command" - However I ran into an issue where I typoed the path and didn't realize it. Is there a way to add a quick check to see if the "cd" was successful or not? All cron output is emailed so I will see any error output
[16:41] <nacc> srg: that's what the && does
[16:42] <nacc> srg: it won't run my_custom_command if the cd fails
[16:42] <SporkWitch> ^
[16:42] <srg> Yes - but it also  doesn't  print any output so I didn't catch the typo until weeks later
[16:43] <SporkWitch> srg: you could add an OR "echo 'cd did not work'"
[16:43] <nacc> srg: make a wrapper script and do proper logging there
[16:43] <SporkWitch> though a cd to a dir that doesn't exist should have output
[16:43] <realcashmoney26> dd
[16:43] <realcashmoney26> d
[16:43] <realcashmoney26> d
[16:43] <srg> Ah good idea. Something like "cd /path/to/dir || echo 'cd failed!' && my_command"
[16:43] <realcashmoney26> d
[16:43] <realcashmoney26> d
[16:44] <nacc> realcashmoney26: please stop.
[16:44] <SporkWitch> he was already auto-muted :)
[16:44] <nacc> srg: it's a bit weird, because at least here, if cd fails, you get output
[16:44] <srg> hmm
[16:44] <srg> I'll do more testing  on it
[16:45] <nacc> srg: it's a shell builtin, so it's possible it's shell-dependent, not sure
[16:45] <Guest59097> How do I add the English International with Alt Gr dead keys keyboard? Used to be there in Kubuntu, but can not find it in Ubuntu...
[16:46] <Guest59097> Using Ubuntu 17.10
[16:49] <realcashmoney26> I need help guys. I'm tryna verify my email with success
[16:50] <nacc> realcashmoney26: verify with who?
[16:51] <realcashmoney26> Just registered a nick. Now i'm tryna verify it
[16:52] <coconut> you should just click on an url in your registered email, afaik
[16:53] <realcashmoney26> No url sent
[16:53] <realcashmoney26> Only a command
[16:55] <realcashmoney26> join #cryptolaundering
[16:56] <freecoder> realcashmoney26, i think you need to enter the command on the network page, not the channel page
[16:58] <freecoder> nvm, works here too.
[16:59] <coconut> realcashmoney26: you might have put an space before the /msg command
[16:59] <EriC^> he's trolling you guys
[17:00] <realcashmoney26> Thank you guys. There was a space. I fixed it and it worked
[17:01] <realcashmoney26> Thanks a lot again
[17:01] <EriC^> he's good
[17:02] <tsglove> EriC^, but he has cryptoLaundry!  It's what clothing craves.
[17:02] <EriC^> :D
[17:04] <realcashmoney26> tsglove and EriC^ : I was not trying to troll anybody here. SO please, the problem is fixed.
[17:04] <realcashmoney26> Many thanks
[17:04] <tsglove> Sorry about that realcashmoney26.
[17:04] <tsglove> I'm glad it all worked out.
[17:06] <niko1990> Hello
[17:09] <EriC^> hello niko1990
[17:09] <niko1990> I have a question: I have a Lenovo ThinkPad E470. I had Ubuntu 16.04 running on it for around a year, all ok. Now I installed Ubuntu 18.04 a couple of weeks ago. Because I use my Laptop normally with mouse and keyboard on a desk with a screen, I did not realized till now, that my mouse buttons are not working... Touch-pad is working, but the buttons are not... Worked with 16.04 like a charm...
[17:11] <Gegsite> hey
[17:11] <Gegsite> for Can't come back from suspend fault , is this the good channel ?
[17:12] <mtdms> nacc: sorry i was not on the computer, i already did apt-get -s -f install like you told me but i have still the same problem
[17:12] <niko1990> is there a way to check why my mouse buttons (internal mouse) are not working, while USB mouse is working?
[17:13] <mtdms> https://pastebin.com/nL9LEPan
[17:14] <mtdms> nacc: https://pastebin.com/nL9LEPan
[17:16] <freecoder> niko1990, are your touchpad settings properly configured?
[17:16] <Gegsite> because I noticed that about 3 days from now, my pc dont come back from suspend (18,04 ubuntu,, desktop)
[17:16] <freecoder> niko1990, Settings -> Devices -> Mouse and touchpad
[17:17] <freecoder> Gegsite, have you installed any proprietary graphics driver. Sometimes they do cause issues
[17:18] <Gegsite> nope, I just do updates from cannonical
[17:18] <Gegsite> freecoder, I have Nvidia GC, but that is for years
[17:20] <freecoder> Gegsite, whats your machine name?
[17:21] <freecoder> make/model?
[17:21] <niko1990> freecoder: I would say so... At least I don't see any settings (of this few) that could be set wrong so that my touchpad is working, but the buttons to it are not...
[17:24] <Gegsite> freecoder, it is a intel i3 540, gigbyte ga-p55M-ud2 , with 8Gb ram, and SSD drive, nVidia gtx 950
[17:25] <mtdms> nacc: i got the solution, thanks, i delete mysql-server and now i could installed pgadmin, thanks a lot
[17:25] <freecoder> niko1990, if you still have the live CD, can you boot into the live mode and check if the touchpad works? If it doesn't it might be an 18.04 specific problem
[17:28] <niko1990> freecoder: I will be right back
[17:33] <nacc> mtdms: yes, the -s is to simulate the command; as you saw, you already had a broken pacakge
[17:35] <niko1990> back
[17:36] <niko1990> freecoder: I got it to work... Looks like Ubuntu 18.04 comes with libinput, and this did not worked for my device. I installed xserver-xorg-input-synaptics and did a reboot, and everything works great :)
[17:38] <freecoder> good to hear :)
[17:39] <niko1990> freecoder: thank you for your help :)
[17:48] <Smilex> Hey. Which installed package is making it so that when I boot up, I get shown a splashscreen of XFCE, instead of being thrown directly to TTY?
[17:49] <c0t0d0s0> You need a displaymanager (DM) ; by default I'd say lightdm or gdm
[17:50] <Smilex> I'd like to get rid of it, at least temporarily, due to some issues. How can I do that?
[17:50] <c0t0d0s0> temporarily: sudo systemctl disable lightdm
[17:50] <c0t0d0s0> (or gdm)
[17:50] <c0t0d0s0> or maybe another one you may have installed
[17:51] <c0t0d0s0> then, restart the system
[17:51] <Smilex> Ok I'll try
[17:51] <oerheks> on 18.04, one sets: sudo systemctl set-default graphical.target # to get to the gui
[17:51] <oerheks> or sudo systemctl set-default multi-user.target # to get TTY again
[17:56] <Smilex> So disabling lightdm did fix some of my issues. I don't boot into a black screen anymore
[17:56] <Smilex> I still get a XFCE splash in the beginning. How can I disable that?
[17:57] <oerheks> remove the splash from the bootline, see grub manual
[17:57] <oerheks> !grub
[18:00] <Smilex> Ok thanks
[18:01] <Smilex> but I doubt it's my issue though. Starting XFCE takes forever. I just compared it to DWM, and DWM starts in a reasonable time. Does anyone here know why that is?
[18:02] <Smilex> Sorry! I just found that there's a IRC channel for XFCE
[18:08] <rush> any ubuntu gurus in ?
[18:09] <rush> can anyone help me install qtox
[18:10] <dasjiodjasoidoia> Hey guys!
[18:10] <dasjiodjasoidoia> How are ya?
[18:11] <leftyfb> rush: https://github.com/qTox/qTox/blob/master/INSTALL.md
[18:11] <leftyfb> rush: https://github.com/qTox/qTox/blob/master/INSTALL.md#compile-qtox
[18:12] <rush> nobody here i guess
[18:12] <dasjiodjasoidoia> Seems so
[18:12] <leftyfb> rush: I answered you
[18:12] <rush> lefty, is that click to insall?
[18:12] <leftyfb> dasjiodjasoidoia: what can we help you with?
[18:13] <rush> i dont understand insalling trar files etc
[18:13] <nacc> dasjiodjasoidoia: this is not a chat channel, do you have an  ubuntu support topic?
[18:13] <nacc> rush: there is no ubuntu package for qtox, i think. You can follow the above, or see if there is a PPA.
[18:13] <leftyfb> rush: no. Your only option for qtox is compiling from source. I linked you to the instructions. Contact the developer if you need more help
[18:13] <rush> i dont know what it means though
[18:14] <rush> i tried to follow the intructions before, it was very difficult and didnt work
[18:14] <nacc> rush: that's not really our problem?
[18:14] <leftyfb> rush: ok, then you'll have to contact the developer though the project page
[18:14] <rush> really?  wow. what snobs.  im just asking if anyone can guide me
[18:14] <rush> sorry to breathe in here
[18:14] <nacc> rush: not snobs, this is the ubuntu support channel.
[18:14] <nacc> rush: that program is not part of ubuntu
[18:15] <rush> and im asking for support
[18:15] <rush> i want to use it on ubuntu ffs
[18:15] <leftyfb> rush: we cannot be expected to support every project that says it has source for for linux on github
[18:15] <rush> im not moaning at you much lefty
[18:15] <rush> mor enaxc rude response
[18:15] <nacc> rush: https://github.com/qTox/qTox/issues/4816
[18:15] <rush> just out of order pal
[18:16] <leftyfb> rush: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingEasyHowTo
[18:16] <rush> sorry, its not easy
[18:16] <compdoc> compiling can be difficult. sounds like you should try a distro that comes with your program already installed
[18:17] <rush> exactly compdoc
[18:17] <rush> people pretend its easy
[18:17] <rush> it is not
[18:17] <rush> anyway.. cheers all
[18:17] <rush> apart from dickhead nacc
[18:17] <rush> cheerio
[18:17] <compdoc> lol
[18:18] <oerheks> silly qtox .. https://github.com/irungentoo/toxcore/blob/master/docs/TODO.md
[18:18] <oerheks> lolz
[18:21] <compdoc> there seem to be a couple of ppas for it
[18:21] <Gegsite> freecoder, any ideas? log needed or something?
[18:38] <bob98> where in ubuntu is the log from Firefox's Browser Console likely to be stored?
[18:39] <leftyfb> bob98: somewhere in ~/.mozilla
[18:39] <oerheks> ~/.mozilla/firefox perhaps ..
[18:40] <bob98> oerheks: yep, looked in the prophile, but didn't find it...
[18:41] <hggdh> bob98: if there is a log (which I do not know, don't user FFox), it should be somewhere under ~/.mozilla
[18:42] <bob98> sorry for an ass of a question but how do you bring out the menu in Thunar under 18.04 (want to display hidden files...)?
[18:43] <hggdh> bob98: but, anyways, it seems your answer is at https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/questions/1221764
[18:43] <hggdh> (summary: no logs)
[18:44] <oerheks> on your adressbar: about:crashes, and: journalctl -qb /usr/bin/firefox
[18:49] <root3> ds
[18:49] <root3> gkh
[18:53] <bob98> oerheks: unfortunately neither of your suggestions yielded any logs...
[18:54] <bob98> regarding Thunar, how to bring up a menu?
[18:56] <bob98> I mean a top level menu, where I could select displaying hidden files?
[18:59] <bob98> under 16.04, the menu was just there but under 18.04 it seems to be hiddedn in Thunar by default and I can't figure out how to fish it out...
[19:05] <pauljw> bob98, what's the matter with ctrl-h?
[19:06] <pauljw> bob98, sorry misread your question
[19:14] <Poio> ratos
[19:15] <Poio> Boa tarde, estou com dificuldades em desligar meu computador
[19:15] <Aaron> !br
[19:15] <oerheks> English only, please Poio
[19:18] <bob98> pauljw: thank you ctrl-h works for me, but I am still curious how to bring out the menu
[19:19] <Bashing-om> bob98: In the task bar far left is the applications icon > file manager ; once the file manager (thunar) is started one can then 'ctl+h' to unhide/hide the dot files .
[19:19] <Smilex> How can I see which version of a package is available to me, through apt? For example, which version of GTK+, for the version of ubuntu I'm using (16.04 Xenial)?
[19:20] <oerheks> apt-cache policy <package>
[19:20] <Bashing-om> Smilex: ' apt policy <package> ' .
[19:20] <oerheks> oh, might do the same :-)
[19:21] <Arimil_> Does anyone know why the service I'm adding doesn't boot when the system does? https://i.imgur.com/cHB608N.png
[19:21] <Smilex> How can I improve my search for GTK+? If I write apt search gtk+, I get a wall of text of irrelevant packages
[19:21] <NaTeK> Olives suck, No gift baskets!
[19:22] <Bashing-om> oerheks: ya know our developer .. every not typed letter is a letter saved :)
[19:22] <nacc> Arimil_: is /vagrant mounted when systemd tries to start it?
[19:23] <Arimil_> Hm good point
[19:23] <Arimil_> Let me try copying the files instead of making links
[19:24] <pauljw> bob98, I'm still running 16.04 here so I can't help, plus I'm using xfce for my DE.
[19:25] <erabiltzaile__> Hi, I changed my external HD LUKS pass and I forgot the new (yes, not proud of it), I don't know why but Ubuntu forgot it too, is there a way to access the data? there is some important work, please.
[19:26] <erabiltzaile__> I mean, is my PC, my machine, my HD, my GNU LINUX with my user, I did all from here, no way to restore it? Please, and thanks.
[19:26] <nacc> Smilex: what are you actually looking for?
[19:27] <pauljw> bob98, try ctrl-m and see if that gives you what you want.
[19:27] <Guest59097> How do I add the English International with Alt Gr dead keys keyboard? Used to be there in Kubuntu, but can not find it in Ubuntu 17.10...
[19:28] <Smilex> nacc: I found it as libgtk-3-0
[19:30] <Arimil_> Thanks nacc seems it was that simple.
[19:31] <root3> fr
[19:31] <nacc> Arimil_: np
[19:34] <deskwizard> Howdy! :)
[19:34] <coconut> Anyone here who knows why a router would go beyond the max setting of 1500 mtu when not explicitly telling it to?
[19:36] <oerheks> coconut, how is that related to ubuntu? try ##hardware
[19:36] <lnxslck> coconut: bad hardware?
[19:38] <coconut> lnxslck: no i guess not, as it only happens after configuring it to use openvpn
[19:38] <lnxslck> vpn issue? dont know
[19:45] <Guest179> anyone having problems configuring bumblebee on ubuntu 18.04? need help!
[19:46] <oerheks> current is prime, bumblebee is old, no?
[19:51] <osse> I just lost the game.
[19:53] <leftyfb> osse: ?
[19:53] <Guest179> oerheks after installing bumblebee (along with prime) i'm experiencing a loop during boot. system goes back and forth from X to text mode (console?)
[19:53] <Guest179> apparently some path is broken
[19:55] <oerheks> i think bumblebee is old, all you need is prime, and the setting is in nvidia settings gui
[19:55] <oerheks> so why did you install bumblebee, or what guide did you follow?
[19:57] <Guest179> i installed bumblebee 'cuz my notebook kept overheating even after installing nvidia-340
[19:58] <Guest179> nvidia keeps running in the background. i'm talking about a notebook with optimus technology. it's got 2 gfx cards
[19:59] <oerheks> yes, i am aware of dual gpus, but what guide did you follow, we don't have that package anymore
[19:59] <oerheks> now you have 2 tools biting each other..
[20:00] <Bashing-om> Guest179: If you have both BumbleBee and nvidia-prime installed .. you have a conflict .. and the 340 driver is real old .. how do you know that the 340 driver is correct ?
[20:00] <acos> Howdy all.  Trying to find out if a blackmagic hardware capture card will work in this distro. Thanks in advance.
[20:00] <osse> leftyfb: my bad, I tried to be funny.
[20:09] <Guest179> Bashing-om my laptop is pretty old now. It's a Dell XPS 14 (l421x) with GeForce GT 630M. 2012 model I guess
[20:10] <Guest179> nvidia-340 because that's what ubuntu suggested
[20:10] <Guest179> i've been trying to get linux distros to work on this notebook for years now
[20:12] <oerheks> losts of posts about that xps14, oveheating, but that  i5-3317u is designed to run upto 105'C
[20:13] <oerheks> but this answer looks promissing: GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX="acpi_osi=Linux i915.enable_fbc=1 pcie_aspm=force" >>>   https://www.dell.com/community/Laptops-General/Dell-XPS-14-L421X-overheating-issue/m-p/4747464/highlight/true#M883604
[20:13] <zio_saggio> hey there
[20:13] <oerheks> on standard 340 driver with prime, not bumblebee
[20:13] <arooni> cd "/home/david"
[20:13] <arooni> clear
[20:13] <arooni> task
[20:14] <arooni> panesummary.fish
[20:14] <oerheks> i like fish, join #ubuntu-fish
[20:14] <oerheks> :-D
[20:15] <zio_saggio> do you all use irssi here?
[20:15] <Guest179> oerheks i'm going to try that. thank you very much!
[20:15] <oerheks> zio_saggio, unlikely that is a yes: please don't poll please
[20:15] <oerheks> ask your real question, wait and see
[20:17] <zio_saggio> ok thanks
[20:17] <Jonta> Some do, some don't. #irssi is also a channel
[20:18] <Guest179> so you don't need bumblebee anymore when you have prime?
[20:19] <oerheks> indeed, bumblebee is the old tool, some try to make it work again, but we don't support that
[20:19] <Guest179> jeeeezzz i was already pulling hair out of my head! lol
[20:19] <Guest179> thanks
[20:23] <vit> hi
[20:24] <Jonta> vit: Hi
[20:24] <vit> I tried installing ubuntu alongside w10 but the installer failed with grub2-efi and when I created special efi partition it finished but my laptop still won't boot
[20:26] <memphisto> vit: so are you booting in uefi or legacy?
[20:29] <EriC^^> vit: look at installer issues and the chroot and grub reinstallation http://pchelp.site/topics/ubuntu-installation-issues
[20:37] <vit> memphisto: I don't know what win10 were using to boot. the usb live disk is booted through uefi
[20:38] <memphisto> can you change to uefi and try booting ?
[20:38] <EriC^^> if it complained about grub-efi it's probably already booted in uefi mode, can you take a screenshot of your partitioning screen vit ?
[20:39] <EriC^^> after running the installer using "ubiquity -b" so it doesnt install grub
[20:42] <Guest83792> how much better is ubuntu from its original release date ?
[20:43] <leftyfb> Guest83792: that's not a valid question. Nor is it a support question. Feel free to ask such things in #ubuntu-offtopic
[20:43] <vit> this is my current partitioning: https://pastebin.com/05BufwJi
[20:43] <oerheks> see the fixes in !usn
[20:43] <oerheks> !usn
[20:44] <vit> currently I am booted from live disk in uefi mode
[20:45] <EriC^^> vit: windows is installed in legacy mode, you need to boot the installer in the same mode
[20:47] <vit> EriC^^: yeah, that's what I thought
[20:47] <vit> but what if my laptop can only boot USB in efi mode?
[20:47] <EriC^^> vit: i doubt that, how are you booting the usb right now?
[20:48] <oerheks> vit then reinstall windows in uefi mode
[20:48] <EriC^^> you can always not install grub, then manually chroot and install grub-pc
[20:48] <vit> EriC^^: F12 --> USB
[20:49] <vit> I went through BIOS settings several times and I didn't find any option that would help me
[20:49] <vit> I was hoping there is an option for the installer to choose this
[20:49] <EriC^^> vit: try using the bios to boot it, set the usb first in the boot order before the hdd
[20:49] <EriC^^> (with csm legacy enabled)
[20:50] <vit> EriC^^: OK. that makes sense. I will try that and if it doesn't help then... ubiquity -b chroot and grub-pc, right?
[20:50] <EriC^^> right
[20:51] <yuuki> good luck!
[20:52] <vit> thanks a lot!
[21:06] <andres_> anyone on ?am i the right place for ubuntu related discussions?
[21:06] <Bashing-om> andres_: discussion in #ubuntu-discuss .. here is ubuntu support .
[21:06] <andres_> oh ok...im sorry
[21:08] <transhuman> hi I have an 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 6 Series/C200 Series Chipset Family High Definition Audio Controller (rev 05) I get no sound, looks like lots of people have had this problem over the years (this is on a new install)
[21:08] <transhuman> Ubuntu 18.04
[21:08] <transhuman> anyone able to help. Thanks in advance
[21:08] <transhuman> alsamixer settings has no effect
[21:10] <transhuman> http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/y2vmRjVKwj/
[21:13] <transhuman> http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/s9xj5DKQvb/
[21:14] <oerheks> try to install pavu control, to see if you can control it
[21:14] <oerheks> !info pavucontrol
[21:15] <transhuman> oerheks, yeah it doesn't see the hardware at all
[21:15] <transhuman> its a problem with this particular sound chipset i think
[21:15] <transhuman> all it sees is the dummy output
[21:16] <transhuman> also added my self to the pulse group
[21:16] <oerheks> ther is an other old issue; fwupd https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fwupd/+bug/1574079
[21:17] <oerheks> does the bios have an AC'97 mode for sound?
[21:25] <user> transhuman: I think I have a similar problem.
[21:27] <pnwise> Anyone knows how to install moemmanager-1.4.12-1ubuntu1 on 18.04?
[21:27] <user> Analog stereo output is just *gone* from my pavucontrol config since kernel 3
[21:27] <howudodat> having a problem getting 18.04 to boot on a Dell XPS 27 all in one.  it gets stuck at 2:24 PM <b>Carlson, Tiara</b>: A start job is running for Detect the available GPUs and deal with any system changes.  here are dmesg and syslog: http://termbin.com/mdx8 http://termbin.com/ym2b
[21:30] <saucelayer> Hello
[21:30] <saucelayer> Just a few questions
[21:30] <Jonta> !enter | saucelayer
[21:30] <saucelayer> Is there a fork of Unity that will be worked on since it's being dropped in 18.04?
[21:31] <transhuman> user, is it the same sound card?
[21:31] <cognition> So, I just installed ubuntu as a KVM guest and noticed something very strange, the installer program asked me to specify an interface ens3/ens5/ens1, this is despite the fact that in virt-install I had specified "--network bridge=virbr1" (virbr1 is bridge for ens3), so KVM host is CentOS7 and guest is ubuntu 17.0.1
[21:31] <transhuman> sudo lspci | grep -i audio does it show the same thing user?
[21:31] <user> transhuman: no idea, but the computer is a CB3-111 acer chromebook
[21:31] <user> er
[21:31] <user> hang on
[21:32] <user> 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation Atom Processor Z36xxx/Z37xxx Series High Definition Audio Controller (rev 0e)
[21:33] <transhuman> I would suggest doing a search for ubuntu no sound and that Intel Corporation Atom ... on google see if you get any hits, for me I have found no solution for this chipset
[21:33] <transhuman> also add your user to the pulse group
[21:33] <transhuman> and reboot
[21:34] <user> ty
[21:34] <transhuman> sorry its not much help
[21:34] <transhuman> oh user also check alsamixer and pauvcontrol
[21:34] <user> Hey, I appreciate it
[21:34] <transhuman> as per the other suggestion
[21:35] <transhuman> for me I dont know why this doesnt see the card
[21:35] <transhuman> it loads all the right drivers it appears
[21:35] <user> I've reinstalled and force reloaded pavucontrol and alsamixer miultiple times, no dice
[21:35] <Bashing-om> saucelayer: unity is now maintained by the community and is available in the universe repo.
[21:36] <oerheks> !info ubuntu-unity-desktop
[21:36] <svip> How do I detect what is keeping my system slow?  htop shows quite regular usage, but chromium takes like 4-5 minutes to start.
[21:36] <svip> And even when started, every click takes several seconds to occur.
[21:36] <transhuman> user , does pauvcontrol show the driver as being an accessible device?
[21:37] <svip> I am only running a release upgrade next to it.
[21:37] <oerheks> svip, remove your chromium stuff in ~/.config ?
[21:37] <oerheks> you will loose plugins and such, but that can be recreated
[21:37] <svip> oerheks: chromium is just an example.  Every program takes several minutes to start up.
[21:37] <saucelayer> Bashing-om: Great thank you, my next question was how do I enable the old "cube" animation on Unity. I tried using CompizConfig but the plugin doesn't seem to be available
[21:37] <svip> I think it is an IO issue.
[21:37] <svip> And I want to know how to detect my IO load.
[21:37] <user> transhuman: nope, there's no analogue stereo out device listed, only hdmi out
[21:37] <nacc> svip: "am only a running a release upgrade next to it"?
[21:37] <nacc> svip: look in top?
[21:38] <oerheks> svip, maybe, maybe you run wayland now, choose xorg @ login to see if that helps
[21:38] <Bashing-om> svip: enough ram ? pounding swap ' free -m ' ?
[21:38] <svip> oerheks: well, I cannot just stop the upgrade, can I?
[21:38] <nacc> svip: wait, you're complaining about your systems' performance *during* the upgrade?
[21:38] <transhuman> I don't know then maybe a systemctl problem?
[21:38] <svip> nacc: I have htop running.  And dpkg, htop and Xorg tops the list.
[21:39] <svip> nacc: I am trying to see if I can speed up the process of the upgrade.
[21:39] <svip> I know it can do it faster.
[21:39] <nacc> svip: ok, any errors in dmesg?
[21:39] <svip> nacc: A lot of lvm2-activation segfaults.
[21:40] <oerheks> .. io issue during upgrade...
[21:40] <oerheks> right
[21:40] <user> transhuman: way over my head, no idea
[21:40] <pnwise>  Anyone knows how to install moemmanager-1.4.12-1ubuntu1 on 18.04?
[21:41] <oerheks> pnwise, install xenial, .. https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/modemmanager
[21:41] <nacc> !info modemmanager bionic
[21:41] <nacc> pnwise: "don't".
[21:41] <svip> nacc: [18435.768646] lvm2-activation[17733]: segfault at d0 ip 00007fccc7c48856 sp 00007fffdd653640 error 4 in liblvm2app.so.2.2[7fccc7c37000+101000]
[21:41] <svip> Stuff like this.
[21:41] <oerheks> yes, silly advise to install xenial of me
[21:41] <pnwise> what you mean don't?
[21:41] <pnwise> I kind of need it
[21:41] <pnwise> because 1.6 is buggy
[21:41] <nacc> pnwise: bionic ships 1.6.8-2ubuntu1
[21:42] <nacc> pnwise: file a bug?
[21:42] <oerheks> *if* you have a valid reason, install xenial  pnwise
[21:42] <nacc> pnwise: if you want to use modemmanager of an older release, then you should go back to the older release
[21:42] <pnwise> I have valid reason
[21:42] <pnwise> it is buggy and it doesn't work
[21:42] <pnwise> https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2383408
[21:42] <pnwise> file a bug?
[21:42] <nacc> !bug | pnwise
[21:43] <oerheks> hmm 18.04 systemD comes with a new approach for services... and netplan
[21:43] <pnwise> honestly I don't bother filing bugs since no one is carying about fixing them
[21:43] <pnwise> ...I used to
[21:43] <pnwise> also that doesn't answer my question
[21:43] <transhuman> user make sure its enabled in the bios
[21:43] <transhuman> I am checking it now myself
[21:44] <nacc> pnwise: well, that's rather sad.
[21:44] <nacc> pnwise: we did answer your question, you don't use a pacakge from xenial on bionic.
[21:44] <pnwise> Because it doesn't work
[21:44] <pnwise> Can you read?
[21:44] <pnwise> It is also explained in the forum thread
[21:44] <pnwise> There is link in that thread on how to fix, but is giving error 500
[21:45] <nacc> pnwise: it is not supported to mix your releases like that. You can always download .debs manually from packages.ubuntu.com.
[21:45] <nacc> pnwise: but you are on your own.
[21:46] <OnkelTem> Hi all
[21:46] <pnwise> See man if you don't know it is fine - just don't waste time trying to explain me to install older version, if I had spare pc to work on right now I would do it
[21:47] <OnkelTem> I cannot install HP printer. Tried several times. Every time I start getting "Filter failed" messages when tryin to print anything
[21:47] <pnwise> Also I will mix whatever I need if that will get the job done, since the latest ubuntu is such a pile of bugs
[21:47] <nacc> pnwise: we do know. you are choosing not to listen.
[21:47] <nacc> pnwise: ok, good luck to you.
[21:47] <OnkelTem> Any ideas what the hell is wrong with HPLIP or Kubuntu?
[21:47] <pnwise> nacc, And you choose not to read
[21:47] <jerichowasahoax> pnwise: did you come here to ask for help or did you come here to be rude to people
[21:47] <pnwise> Don't try being smartass if you can't understand simple questions
[21:48] <OnkelTem> The most irritating thing is that before it worked just perfectly
[21:48] <OnkelTem> before 17.10
[21:48] <pnwise> jerichowasahoax, I am regular visitor
[21:48] <nacc> pnwise: please refrain from insulting people.
[21:48] <pnwise> I did not "come here"
[21:48] <pnwise> like just now
[21:49] <nacc> pnwise: in any case, i told you you shouldn't mix releases, you can disregard that and download the deb yourself. But your system becomes unsupported and you are in the support channel.
[21:49] <pnwise> So if you guys don't know that is fine - thanks for the "help"
[21:49] <jerichowasahoax> nacc: should i !ops or do you happen to be one
[21:49] <pnwise> nacc, that is not mixing "releases"
[21:49] <nacc> pnwise: yes, it is.
[21:49] <nacc> jerichowasahoax: nah, it's fine.
[21:49] <pnwise> it is installing diferent packages version
[21:49] <jerichowasahoax> o7
[21:50] <nacc> pnwise: from different releases.
[21:50] <nacc> pnwise: if you prefer to *ignore* what we are saying, go right ahead.
[21:50] <pnwise> That is not the point
[21:50] <jerichowasahoax> OnkelTem: what's HPLIP doing or not doing, exactly?
[21:50] <pnwise> Said it 3 times - if you don't know it is fine
[21:50] <pnwise> Just move along
[21:50] <nacc> pnwise: the "point" is you don't want to help make ubuntu better and you want to do something unsupported.
[21:50] <nacc> pnwise: i have told you exactly what you need to do to achieve what you want. Have a nice day.
[21:51] <pnwise> No, you did not. You told me to install older relase
[21:51] <pnwise> That is not an asnwe on "How to install package xyx"
[21:51] <nacc> pnwise: ... yes I did. Go to packages.ubuntu.com and download the version you want, install it manually.
[21:51] <OnkelTem> jerichowasahoax: I don't know. I install everything according to the instructions on HP website. Then I do hp-check and it finds NO errors or warnings. Then I Print Test Page and it fails
[21:51] <pnwise> That is "How to me useless smartass 101"
[21:51] <nacc> pnwise: please re-read the responses to your request.
[21:52] <jerichowasahoax> OnkelTem: did those instructions include downloading from the HP website or did they tell you to use apt or apt-get
[21:52] <pnwise> installing xenial is not a question, and I can't find the package on launchapd or I would have installed it by now
[21:52] <nacc> pnwise: then you didn't look correctly. and I didn't say launchpad.
[21:52] <svip> If I cancel (ctrl+c) a do-release-upgrade, can I continue it by running the same command?
[21:52] <rush> i have pretty much set up my ubuntu sytem. it too ka while as i am not linux literate.  id like to do a ful lsystem back up,  how can i please? any software ?
[21:53] <nacc> svip: no, not generally
[21:53] <svip> nacc: OK, then I won't.
[21:53] <pnwise> nacc, thank you
[21:54] <OnkelTem> jerichowasahoax: it does everything by itself
[21:55] <jerichowasahoax> OnkelTem: okay, but where did "it" come from - apt or HP themselves
[21:55] <rush> anyone?
[21:55] <jerichowasahoax> OnkelTem: because generally, downloading straight from HP, or whoever the software manufacturer/developer is, is frowned upon unless you're sure there's no package for it already
[21:55] <jerichowasahoax> and well
[21:55] <rush> recommend a system back up?
[21:55] <jerichowasahoax> !info hplip | OnkelTem
[21:56] <rush> software
[21:56] <OnkelTem> jerichowasahoax: I think there is some problem with CUPS
[21:56] <rush> C cup is the sweet spot
[21:57] <jerichowasahoax> OnkelTem: that's also possible
[21:57] <OnkelTem> jerichowasahoax: I'm not sure how to debug the problem though
[21:57] <jerichowasahoax> OnkelTem: there's a cups "driver" that basically makes a PDF file out of whatever you print to it - if I can remember what the package is, we could start there
[21:58] <jerichowasahoax> ah here we go
[21:58] <jerichowasahoax> !info printer-driver-cups-pdf | OnkelTem
[21:59] <jerichowasahoax> OnkelTem: try to print something to a PDF with that and see what happens
[21:59] <OnkelTem> jerichowasahoax: well, but why would I need that?
[21:59] <OnkelTem> Ah, I see
[21:59] <OnkelTem> It may trigger the same error
[21:59] <jerichowasahoax> sí
[22:00] <jerichowasahoax> alternatively, it could prove cups is fine and we're back to looking at HPLIP
[22:00] <OnkelTem> it just saved the file, no issues
[22:00] <jerichowasahoax> or your printer
[22:01] <OnkelTem> I think I found something. I found a cups log file
[22:01] <OnkelTem> E [26/Jun/2018:01:01:45 +0300] [Job 36] Can\'t create temporary file
[22:01] <jerichowasahoax> OnkelTem: toss that onto a pastebin
[22:02] <OnkelTem> So it cannot create some temp file. But it doesn't say where
[22:02] <jerichowasahoax> OnkelTem: there's a utility called pastebinit in the package repositories to make things easier
[22:02] <OnkelTem> yeah, I have it installed. But I think that was the error
[22:03] <jerichowasahoax> OnkelTem: i'd still like to see the whole file, just in case there's something in there you're missing
[22:03] <OnkelTem> Sure, sorry
[22:04] <pnwise> yey, should have that sweet broadband available this time
[22:05] <OnkelTem> https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/M42CPVDFVX/
[22:10] <jerichowasahoax> OnkelTem: I found a "permission denied" error at line 70 of that paste but I'm kinda stuck on why that's showing up
[22:10] <jerichowasahoax> you shouldn't need special permissions to print things
[22:10] <rush> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/bionic/+package/clonezilla
[22:10] <rush> how to install that?
[22:10] <rush> i ant to clone and back up entire syte,
[22:10] <rush> system*
[22:11] <Guest16477> I've recently bought a Samsung SSD and i'm trying g to format it Ext4 in ubuntu 14.04, but whenever i try to format it partitions automatically how can i avoid this happening?
[22:11] <Bashing-om> !info clonezilla
[22:11] <OnkelTem> jerichowasahoax: I'll be back after restart
[22:13] <Bashing-om> rush: ^ .. If you have the universe repo enabled , is as simple as ' sudo apt update ; sudo apt upgrade ; sudo apt install clonezilla ; .
[22:14] <howudodat> having a problem getting 18.04 to boot on a Dell XPS 27 all in one.  it gets stuck at: A start job is running for Detect the available GPUs and deal with any system changes.  here are dmesg and syslog: http://termbin.com/mdx8 http://termbin.com/ym2b
[22:15] <rush> i dunnpo if i have it enabled
[22:16] <Bashing-om> rush: Are you running a desktop ? check in " software center " for the enabled sources .
[22:17] <rush> i dont know
[22:17] <rush> what ever happend to just click to install !?
[22:17] <rush> how to check where to look?
[22:17] <oerheks> clonezilla comes without gui
[22:18] <rush> then i coant use it
[22:18] <rush> system back up with gui anyone?
[22:18] <rush> it took ages to get this system up
[22:18] <rush> i cnat understant it.. i dont want ot loose it all
[22:18] <rush> need a system image file
[22:19] <spupuser> it seems like it should be a pretty standard feature, backup a drive
[22:19] <rush> yes, it should be
[22:19] <rush> surely
[22:19] <rush> system image file
[22:20] <rush> anyone?
[22:20] <OnkelTem> jerichowasahoax: I'm back. So... I've fixed it. I had fake /tmp directory - it was a symlink. Didn't actually expect something bad since I made this change, but now when I made it just a regular directory it (I guess) has fixed the issue
[22:20] <oerheks> you could do a 1:1 backup with dd, but that is also comandline
[22:20] <rush> i dont like command line, too hard
[22:21] <nacc> OnkelTem: where did you symlink /tmp to?
[22:21] <rush> so ther is no gui software?
[22:21] <rush> amazing
[22:21] <jerichowasahoax> doesn't clonezilla have a gui frontend
[22:21] <OnkelTem> nacc: to another partition which was of course mounted and worked perfectly
[22:21] <rush> i just want to make a full back up.   no selection, just clone the lot
[22:21] <oerheks> !backu[
[22:21] <oerheks> !backup
[22:21] <nacc> OnkelTem: yeah that doesn't make any sense, though
[22:22] <jerichowasahoax> OnkelTem: whatever for
[22:22] <nacc> OnkelTem: i mean, symlinking /tmp to another "partition"
[22:22] <OnkelTem> nacc: of course it does, if you dom
[22:22] <OnkelTem> don
[22:22] <OnkelTem> don't have enought room
[22:22] <jerichowasahoax> OnkelTem: if you're looking to avoid extraneous writes on your / partiton, because it's an ssd or something, i'd just make it a tmpfs
[22:22] <OnkelTem> damn it, sorry for mistypos
[22:23] <nacc> OnkelTem: /tmp is a directory. If you symlink it to a partition, then you're symlinking it to a partition on a disk. Did you mean a different directory?
[22:23] <jerichowasahoax> nacc: i interpreted it as a directory within a different filesystem
[22:23] <OnkelTem> nacc: sure I meant different directory on another partition
[22:23] <nacc> OnkelTem: /tmp is also, by default, a tmpfs
[22:23] <OnkelTem> really? hm... wait a sec
[22:24] <nacc> OnkelTem: ah i see. Still, that's not really a sensible thing to do; also, why was your /tmp full?
[22:24] <OnkelTem> no, not on my system
[22:24] <rush> no back up software then ?
[22:24] <rush> full system imag back up
[22:24] <rush> anyone ?
[22:24] <jerichowasahoax> nacc: is that new in bionic because the output of mount on xenial doesn't agree
[22:24] <nacc> oh wait, it's just cleaned by systemd, i forgot
[22:24] <nacc> OnkelTem: apologies
[22:24] <jerichowasahoax> oh :V
[22:24] <nacc> OnkelTem: but still, why was your /tmp full?
[22:24] <OnkelTem> nacc: I don't remember. It was some picky software which tried to create there some big fiel so I was runnin out of space all the way
[22:25] <OnkelTem> it was a temporary workaround but then I forgot to change it back :)
[22:26] <OnkelTem> Actually, I didn't expect it would be so painful to live on small SSD
[22:26] <OnkelTem> I forgot to take into account one thing: docker
[22:26] <ruxys> Ubuntu 18.04. Trying to sign in Flashback(metacity). Logs in ok bu when restart, Goes right back to Ubuntu on Dropdown. How can I login to Flashback all the time?
[22:28] <vern> rush: the list of backup software in the links that ubottu mentioned (thanks to oerheks) has a few gui backup utilities. did you try any of those?
[22:29] <rush> i missed it ?
[22:29] <rush> i jus tinstalled clonezilla
[22:29] <rush> but i cant find it in software
[22:29] <rush> and i need my system image file backed up, not files
[22:30] <rush> i can tsee any list
[22:30] <rush> how to use clonezilla?
[22:31] <rush> fuk sake
[22:31] <rush> no gui then
[22:31] <ruxys> It's usually following the prompts... It first asks for a location to save to
[22:31] <rush> i can tevne run it
[22:31] <rush> cant even see it
[22:31] <rush> where is it !
[22:31] <ruxys> then it asks for a name I believe...
[22:32] <oerheks> right, clonezilla comes without gui
[22:32] <rush> how to start it ?
[22:32] <ruxys> No clonezilla does come with gui... download the iso, put on USB thumdrive using Yumi
[22:32] <rush> i dont think any system image softwar  had a ui on linux
[22:32] <rush> how?
[22:32] <oerheks> that would be clonezilla-live
[22:33] <rush> jeez...
[22:33] <rush> i hafe clonezilla installed here
[22:33] <rush> how to run it please?
[22:33] <ruxys> sorry, just trying to help but tripped.
[22:33] <rush> what do i need to type to run it ?
[22:34] <rush> fu ksake wat is this shit
[22:35] <rush> i dont want to read encyclopedias just to use software
[22:35] <jerichowasahoax> rush: i think a good first step here would be for you to go take a coffee break
[22:35] <rush> just give me the fucking command line
[22:35] <jerichowasahoax> rush: and then come back when you're not yelling at everything
[22:35] <rush> ASSHOLE
[22:35] <rush> im being rude cos some asshole wer erude to me in here first
[22:35] <rush> stuck up assholes
[22:36] <jerichowasahoax> rush: no, you're tilting
[22:36] <wodencafe> :/
[22:36] <wodencafe> wow
[22:36] <wodencafe> wtf
[22:36] <jerichowasahoax> seriously though, all the lad needed to do was stop and take a breather
[22:37] <ruxys> yeah, but have you heard of the one where the guy logs into Flashback and Magically ends up in the defaulted Gnome (Ubuntu) when he didn't want to?
[22:37] <vern> it's hard to help someone who doesn't want to be helped
[22:38] <hggdh> folks, please back to topic
[22:41] <ruxys> brb... gonna check if the self-healing magic of Linux has made its' way over to...
[22:44] <ruxys> ...I don't care what anybody say... you guys are alright in my book! Staka Koomphfs!
[22:49] <iWaldo> what package do i need to install to get the source code for the libc6?
[22:50] <nacc> iWaldo: the corresponding source package
[22:50] <iWaldo> i tried using apt-get source libc6 but it grabbed eglibc6 which doesn't seem to have e.g. unistd.h
[22:50] <nacc> iWaldo: what version of ubuntu and architecture?
[22:51] <iWaldo> 14.04 32
[22:51] <nacc> iWaldo: do you just want the headers?
[22:51] <iWaldo> naw i want it all
[22:51] <iWaldo> already have the headers
[22:51] <nacc> iWaldo: can you pastebin `apt-cache show libc6` ?
[22:52] <iWaldo> jSALDVce
[22:52] <iWaldo> oops lol
[22:52] <iWaldo> https://pastebin.com/jSALDVce
[22:53] <nacc> iWaldo: you're running a glibc built from eglibc
[22:53] <iWaldo> well now that i look more closely the 2.19 version number is the same eglibc
[22:55] <nacc> iWaldo: if you want the source for a package now installed on your system, you have to do some extra steps
[22:55] <nacc> s/now/not/
[22:56] <howudodat> anyone here can help me getting gdm to display and not get stuck at "A start job is running for Detect the available GPUs"?
[22:57] <iWaldo> nacc, eglibc was the correct one, i wasn't thinking clearly about what i was trying to find.  thank you.
[22:57] <nacc> iWaldo: np :)
[22:59] <Gobo708> Hi All, so I am trying to do something pretty simple, and hitting frustration point with 18.04.... does anyone know how to change the hostname on a fresh install and make it stick?
[23:00] <nacc> Gobo708: what have you tried?
[23:00] <Gobo708> hostnamectl set-hostname new hostname
[23:00] <Gobo708> editing /etc/hosts
[23:00] <Gobo708> editing /etc/hostname
[23:00] <nacc> Gobo708: /etc/hosts is definitively incorrect ;)
[23:00] <Gobo708> I am about to edit /etc/cloud....
[23:01] <Gobo708> but it says setting it to true will disable set-hostname
[23:01] <iWaldo> nacc, much to my chagrin it hasn't worked.  the goal is to be able to use ctags to navigate to function definitions in some code i'm studying.  the only references it returns after adding /usr/include and the newly downloaded source to the tags file are not references to the "access" function (https://www.gnu.org/software/libc/manual/html_node/Testing-File-Access.html)
[23:01] <Gobo708> I still need to set my localhost in /etc/hosts right?
[23:01] <Bashing-om> howudodat: What graphics set ? Maybe see what results with the 'nomodeset' boot parameter .. then see what the GPU issue might be .
[23:01] <Gobo708> otherwise, 127.0.0.1 wont point to the right place
[23:02] <nacc> Gobo708: right, but that is about (effectivley) local name resolution, not the local system's hostname.
[23:02] <nacc> Gobo708: did you pass any parameters/flags to hostnamectl?
[23:02] <howudodat> Bashing-om:Dell XPS 27, has built-in Intel and nvidia, not using nvidia, using nouveau.  tried with wayland and X.  here are dmesg http://termbin.com/mdx8 syslog http://termbin.com/ym2b Xorg.0.log http://termbin.com/rd01, I can try nomodeset, will take a few minutes
[23:03] <Gobo708> ok, fair point... I read somewhere that I needed to do that first. This was on my 1000th attempt
[23:03] <Gobo708> nacc, no parameters passed
[23:03] <Gobo708> https://linuxconfig.org/how-to-change-hostname-on-ubuntu-18-04-bionic-beaver-linux
[23:03] <Gobo708> I just followed this and other instructions
[23:04] <nacc> Gobo708: and did you *undo* whatever you did when you switched instrcutions?
[23:04] <Gobo708> no, because they were all the new hostname
[23:04] <Gobo708> so I only added /etc/hostname
[23:04] <Gobo708> and updated /etc/hosts local loopback
[23:04] <Gobo708> neither should affect anything
[23:04] <nacc> Gobo708: is this a VM? do you actually have an /etc/cloud/cloud.cf ?
[23:04] <Bashing-om> howudodat: wayland and nvidia is not too compatible .. some progress with the 396 version driver IF the card supports 396 .
[23:05] <Gobo708> I havent got to editing the cloud config thing yet, because well that seemed dumb
[23:05] <Gobo708> other instructions said to uninstall the cloud stuff.....
[23:05] <howudodat> bashing-om: yeah that's why I'm using X (gdm3/custom.conf: WaylandEnable=false)  and I'm not using nvidia drivers
[23:05] <Gobo708> I thought that looked like a good idea :p
[23:05] <nacc> Gobo708: what "cloud stuff"? do you mean cloud-config?
[23:05] <Gobo708> yeah
[23:06] <nacc> Gobo708: there's no need to uninstall it
[23:06] <nacc> Gobo708: is this a VM?
[23:06] <Gobo708> https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2389098&page=2&s=d1d6765c0fda139a3be80b3f6fcdcfa7
[23:06] <Gobo708> its a VM
[23:06] <Gobo708> on virtualbox
[23:06] <Gobo708> from that link "Specifically, it's cloud-init. Try changing /etc/cloud/cloud.cfg's preserve_hostname line to true"
[23:07] <Gobo708> That was one forum users instructions
[23:07] <nacc> hrm, you may want to ask in #ubuntu-server
[23:07] <Gobo708> but it contradicts the cloud.cfg
[23:11] <Bashing-om> howudodat: In that Xorg file, no nvidia driver is loaded .. pastebin - lspci -k|grep -iEA5 'vga|3d' - . let's see what we are working with .
[23:11] <skinux> How do I get Gnome to show time in 12-hour format?
[23:11] <skinux> I have tried opening settings, but there is no option.
[23:14] <howudodat> Bashing-om: http://termbin.com/1vre
[23:16] <Bashing-om> howudodat: checking :)
[23:18] <oerheks_> skinux, indeed, but you can use dconf, [org/gnome/desktop/interface] clock-format='24h' standard
[23:19] <oerheks_> not sure if this is intentionally
[23:20] <Bashing-om> howudodat: Is this an EFI system ? .. and ya want the 390 version driver IF proprietary is the goal here : http://www.nvidia.com/download/driverResults.aspx/134859/en-us .
[23:20]  * linux_user says I installed Ubuntu 18.04 and it has a zillion snap filesystems in my df report!?! WTF? What are they? why are they there?
[23:21] <SporkWitch> Bashing-om: think it depends on the GPU; i believe the 340 is recommended for older cards
[23:21] <howudodat> Bashing-om, I dont remember exactly how I set it up, EFI or UEFI...is there a quick way to check short of BIOS? and I'm trying to avoid proprietary drivers unless they are needed.  I thought it was only using the Intel GPU
[23:21] <oerheks_> snpas, are just softwarepackages, and yes, you see them as a loop
[23:22] <Bashing-om> SporkWitch: Older cards Yeah .. but this is " [GeForce GT 750M]  " and nvidia recommends the 390 version driver :)
[23:23] <linux_user> why is like that? I've got zillions of packages installed and theres like 10 of these dumb things, how do I get rid of them?
[23:23] <linux_user> why do I need them?
[23:23] <linux_user> what purpose do they serve?
[23:23] <BaKKaR> hello everyone ... can anyone help me with Nvidia settings on Kubuntu?
[23:23] <howudodat> Bashing-om: /sys/firmware/efi exists so I think it's booted UEFI
[23:24] <Bashing-om> howudodat: Well.. no nouvuea driver is loaded either .. and the nvidia card is seen by the operating system. If you want nvidia disabled .. can you disable it in bios ?
[23:24] <SporkWitch> Bashing-om: gotcha; i saw the subject like 5 hours ago as well, he was on a 400-something, i think
[23:24] <BaKKaR> i changed the Nvidia settings to use the intel integrated and since then i cannot switch back to the inegrated Nvidia and i cannot even open Nvidia-Settings
[23:24] <oerheks_> Snaps are universal Linux packages https://snapcraft.io/ - https://itsfoss.com/use-snap-packages-ubuntu-16-04/
[23:25] <oerheks_> now in 18.04 softwarecenter too
[23:25] <SporkWitch> BaKKaR: check in BIOS; devices, especially laptops, with integrated + discrete, usually have a setting in there to tell it which to use; if you don't have it set to discrete it likely won't even expose it to the OS
[23:25] <BaKKaR> should the discrete be On or OFF
[23:26] <BaKKaR> let me try SporkWitch and will come back
[23:26] <linux_user> oy! It crashed
[23:26] <SporkWitch> BaKKaR: if you want to use the discrete, what do you think? lol
[23:34] <howudodat> Bashing-om: there is no way to disable one of the cards in the bios, ....but this is highly annoying.  I've been troubleshooting this for 4 hours, reboots, power down, after going to bios and then rebooting, now it comes up just fine
[23:35] <howudodat> should I try the nvidia-390 drivers?
[23:35] <howudodat> I've never had any success on any of my Dells with nvidia drivers
[23:38] <Bashing-om> howudodat: that is proprietary .. but to be truthful .. I did install the 390 version driver on my boc over nouveau .. and there is a gain in performance with the proprietary druver .. BUT - there is a hugh hugh overhead in all the support that will be installed !
[23:38] <howudodat> let me give it a quick try
[23:39] <BaKKaR> pocketprotector: i have checked and the Bios is setup correctly
[23:39] <BaKKaR> plus it was working then stopped
[23:39] <LePatron> im drunk
[23:40] <Bashing-om> howudodat: Make sure that you disable secure boot in bios ..or the driver can not install .
[23:41] <howudodat> ok
[23:59] <BaKKaR> Can someone help me with my Nvidia please, its is integrated Nvidia, it was working fine and then suddenly stopped after switching to Intel graphics. I have tried like 5 drivers 396 - 380 - 340 all the same. Models when doing (lsmod |grep nvidia) are loaded but still cannot open Nvidia settings and cannot do switch.