=== guiver_d is now known as guiverc
[05:14] <rorqual> Hi all, pl
[05:14] <rorqual> please, I've been hearing Ubunt has been developing in a different debian way in some aspects. I'd like to know in terms of percentage today, according Ubuntu Advanced Users and Developers: how much in terms of percentage, does remain Debian features and base in Ubuntu nowadays ?
[05:15] <rorqual> how much 'debian' still remains in 'ubuntu' in terms or percentage ? 20, 30, 40% debian in ubuntu ? more than it, less than it ?
[05:16] <tsimonq2> rorqual: We don't have those statistics readily available.
[05:16] <guiverc> rorqual: i don't know where you've been listening; but to me ubuntu & debian are very close.  on podcasts I've heard people say (eg. m.wimpy) they push changes to debian knowing they'll flow thru to ubuntu.
[05:17] <tsimonq2> ^
[05:17] <rorqual> hi tsimonq2, thanks for answering ! fine guiverc, thanks a lot for your analysis :) let me think just for a while about your answer....
[05:18] <rorqual> guiverc, please, this passage wasn't so clear for me: "...they push changes to debian knowing they'll flow thru to ubuntu."
[05:19] <guiverc> rorqual: I also see canonical employees posting in planet.debian
[05:19] <tsimonq2> rorqual: Ubuntu is roughly a fork of Debian
[05:20] <tsimonq2> Packages autosync down to Ubuntu during the majority of the development cycle.
[05:22] <rorqual> I see
[05:23] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[05:23] <rorqual> good morning lotuspsychje
[05:24] <lotuspsychje> hey rorqual all good on your side?
[05:25] <rorqual> more or less, lotuspsychje... trying to understand major differences between debian and ubuntu, rather their similarities
[05:26] <lotuspsychje> !debian
[05:26] <ubot5> Ubuntu and Debian are closely related. Ubuntu builds on the foundations of Debian architecture and infrastructure, with a different community and release process. See https://www.ubuntu.com/about/about-ubuntu/ubuntu-and-debian - !Repositories meant for Debian should NOT be used on Ubuntu!
[05:27] <lotuspsychje> rorqual: as you in the ubuntu channels, we reccomend ubuntu
[05:27] <rorqual> fine lotuspsychje, thanks for telling ubot5 to answer me !
[05:27] <rorqual> a great bot here
[05:29] <rorqual> I've been avoiding the idea of installing and testing ubuntu, but now, I realize Ubuntu is the commercial realization of a debian-based system, and one of the best business distribution options, in my opinion, outperforming Red Hat Enterprise Linux and SUSE.
[05:29] <guiverc> rorqual: you realize debian is a stream; sid -> testing -> stable... -- if you compare debian-stable with ubuntu there are more differences than other comparisons  (18.10 with say debian buster-10)
[05:30] <guiverc> (i don't like my last statement; unclear-messy sorry)
[05:30] <rorqual> agree guiverc, I've been thinking about that in the same way you've mentioned now, when the question is debian stable vs ubuntu
[05:30] <rorqual> I liked it
[05:30] <rorqual> it was clear and fine
[05:32] <rorqual> my only serious doubt about Ubuntu Server is: how did Canonical made possible the use ZFS in Ubuntu.... for, if I'm not wrong, it doesn't run natively in kernel linux, such as ext4, xfs, btrfs...
[05:33] <rorqual> it's strange for Linux World the use of ZFS, but at the same time, a marvelous idea
[05:54] <guiverc> rorqual: i can't help with zfs sorry, but I recall reading lots about it over the last ~6-11 months
[05:55] <rorqual> you mean web sources, ok ?
[05:56] <guiverc> mostly thru rss feeds; gnome/kde/debian/ubuntu/fedora/opensuse/freebsd/......
[05:56] <lotuspsychje> !zfs | rorqual
[05:56] <ubot5> rorqual: For information concerning ZFS and Ubuntu, see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZFS
[05:56] <lotuspsychje> updated page
[05:58] <rorqual> fine guiverc, thanks ! thanks a lot for this Support, lotuspsychje !
[05:58] <rorqual> how could I forget wiki in this case ? really thank you :)
[06:14] <ducasse> good morning
[06:15] <rorqual> good morning ducasse
[06:16] <rorqual> bye all
[06:16] <rorqual> and thanks again for great support and attention !
[08:31] <lordievader> Good morning
[08:42] <ducasse> hi lordievader - how are you today?
[08:43] <lordievader> Doing okay here. Quite busy. How are you, ducasse ?
[08:43] <ducasse> i'm ok, hoping it will be a little less scorching today
[08:45] <lordievader> Is it that hot over there?
[08:46] <ducasse> over 30° yesterday
[08:47] <ducasse> too much for me, us norwegians can't handle that
[08:47] <LtWorf> eh i love when it's nice weather in sweden
[08:47] <LtWorf> i'm sicilian, makes it bearable
[08:52] <ducasse> then you're probably built to take it :)
[08:59] <lordievader> Same here, 30C is too much.
[08:59] <lordievader> Just give me 20-ish and I'm happy.
[09:00] <ducasse> same here. or right now i'd prefer some rain, actually.
[12:51] <LtWorf> u just have to accept that sweating is a natural body function :D
[15:48] <oerheks_> public transport on strike, 25'C, tomorrow payday .. jolly afternoon
[15:48] <blackflow> time to bike.
[15:50] <oerheks_> yes, my dog likes that, https://www.dropbox.com/s/jmdxyqo3197gvp6/2018ride.jpg?dl=0
[15:50] <daftykins> :D so cute
[15:51] <oerheks_> bike is completely disassembled, and without paint, tomorrow it will be blasted and powdercoated
[15:51] <daftykins> \o/
[15:51] <oerheks_> then rebuild, €170 on nuts & bolds & tires
[15:51] <oerheks_> brakes, peddles and such
[15:52] <daftykins> ok if i share that link to my other Dutch friend? :>
[15:52] <oerheks_> sure
[15:52] <daftykins> thanks :D
[15:52] <daftykins> she's the one with the similar bike i believe
[15:52] <oerheks_> oh there are a lot of brands, this is a 'FietsFabriek'
[15:53] <oerheks_> good steel, good build, repairable..
[15:53] <daftykins> that's what we like :)
[15:53] <oerheks_> and .. in september i will get ... http://ebike-sales.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/Bafang-bbs-1.jpg
[15:54] <oerheks_> http://ebike-sales.co.uk/product/bafang-bbs01-250w-36v-mid-drive-conversion-kit
[15:54] <daftykins> :D
[15:54] <oerheks_> mi money runs faster than i thought :-(
[15:55] <nacc> https://www.butchersandbicycles.com/features.html thinking about this one a lot lately
[15:55] <oerheks_> oh carefull, those 3 wheels can tip over easily in a corner
[15:55] <nacc> it leans
[15:55] <oerheks_> that is why i am back on 2 wheels..
[15:55] <nacc> articulated trike, that is
[15:55] <nacc> but yeah, it can be a problem
[15:56] <oerheks_> but oke, you can stand still on the road, without leaving the bike
[15:56] <oerheks_> or step down
[15:56] <oerheks_> surely handy with a dog/doggies or a lot of groceries
[15:57] <oerheks_> .. or taking stuff home you find on the streets :-D
[15:57] <JimBuntu> I would probably have to make 2 trips for groceries... I would want an additional trailer to pull
[15:58] <nacc> heh
[15:58] <oerheks_> wow, €4999 .... https://www.drbeykonline.nl/search?keywords=mk1-e
[15:59] <nacc> yeah it's very expensive
[15:59] <oerheks_> more expensive than Urban Arrow ( the nicest one)
[15:59] <nacc> eah they are a direct competitor
[15:59] <nacc> we are also looking at the UA
[16:00] <oerheks_> they all have a chip now, i am putting one in too
[16:00] <daftykins> you guys got me thinking so i finally phoned up my local bike shop and have reserved a 185mm rotor for my full suspension Specialized :)
[16:00] <oerheks_> good :-)
[16:01] <daftykins> wanna get that beauty back up and running well, front brake isn't too great right now
[16:51] <lotuspsychje> good evening to all
[16:56] <lotuspsychje> !info shotwell
[16:56] <ubot5> shotwell (source: shotwell): digital photo organizer. In component main, is extra. Version 0.28.2-0ubuntu1 (bionic), package size 1805 kB, installed size 7284 kB
[17:23] <lotuspsychje> hey there Bashing-om
[17:23] <lotuspsychje> Bashing-om: main: big idling ZZzzzZZ
[17:25] <Bashing-om> lotuspsychje: Sure not like those "good ole days" . I find something else to keep me occupied .
[17:25] <lotuspsychje> soon Bashing-om .1 !!
[17:25] <oerheks_> :-)
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[17:27] <Bashing-om> Naw .. 18.04.1 will also be smooth ... Maybe some more Window refugees to teach  :P
[17:29] <lotuspsychje> Bashing-om: https://news.softpedia.com/news/ubuntu-is-used-all-over-the-world-reveal-initial-ubuntu-18-04-desktop-metrics-521685.shtml
[17:30] <Bashing-om> lotuspsychje: Interesting to say the least .. reported ^ in this weeks newsletter :)
[17:30] <lotuspsychje> get ready for the masses
[17:30] <lotuspsychje> :p
[17:31] <lotuspsychje> oerheks is ready to see .1 iso's...
[17:31] <lotuspsychje> *seed
[18:44] <pauljw> hi everyone
[18:46] <oerheks> hi pauljw
[18:50] <pauljw> hi oerheks :)
[21:33] <nacc> adding another to /ignore oerheks ...
[21:36] <oerheks> sorry for beiing rude
[21:36] <nacc> oerheks: i don't think you were rude to them
[21:36] <oerheks> oh i didn't hit enter "i undertand you didn't read the topic, so drop your attitude"
[21:36] <oerheks> :-D
[21:36] <nacc> they seemed to be a bit touchy to me, i had not reason to help them
[21:36] <oerheks> well, i try to clear things up, that worked, but he shouldn't say elementary
[21:37] <oerheks> really, some act like they have no mouse & access to bing
[21:38] <nacc> yeah it's a bit confusing; oh wel
[21:38] <oerheks> vbox performance will be great on zfs, i read
[21:46] <oerheks> ubumoi