| Scary_Guy | https://github.com/dimitri/el-get/issues/474 comedic gold | 06:37 |
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| === havenstance1 is now known as havenstance | ||
| doubledev | Afternoon everyone | 16:50 |
| doubledev | anyone know a place that is hiring? | 16:50 |
| jrwren | Pillar in Ann Arbor. | 16:53 |
| jrwren | Ithaka in Ann Arbor. | 16:53 |
| doubledev | jrwren: that is too far of a drive for me. I am in Macomb Township. | 16:53 |
| jrwren | move? | 16:53 |
| doubledev | thanks for that suggestion though | 16:53 |
| doubledev | HAHA! just bought this house and my wife's job is up this way too. That would be too far of a drive for what she is getting paid. | 16:54 |
| doubledev | Can I work remotely at Pillar? | 16:54 |
| jrwren | I have no idea. | 16:55 |
| jrwren | I don't follow Macomb Co. jobs because I'm not a fan of the suburban wasteland that it is. :p | 16:55 |
| doubledev | haha | 16:55 |
| jrwren | autobooks is hiring. | 16:56 |
| jrwren | but they are looking for Senior level folks with some .net/sql experience. | 16:57 |
| jrwren | if you are willing to comute to detroit, there is tons of cool jobs. | 16:58 |
| jrwren | Optomi is hiring. | 16:58 |
| doubledev | jrwren: thank you. I will look into them | 17:07 |
| cmaloney | Ford is always hiring | 17:11 |
| jrwren | helluva commute though. | 17:12 |
| cmaloney | yeah | 17:12 |
| cmaloney | And I have opinions on Ford's hiring process | 17:13 |
| cmaloney | not complementary ones | 17:13 |
| doubledev | cmaloney: what was your experience? | 17:14 |
| cmaloney | Well, for one position I applied for they put me through a timed reading comprehension test | 17:15 |
| cmaloney | and a timed percentages test | 17:15 |
| cmaloney | and a timed culture fit test | 17:15 |
| cmaloney | the best I could come up with is they wanted someone who was a complete toady who did fractions like a machine and had a photographic memory | 17:16 |
| doubledev | are they looking for speedy gonzales for everything | 17:16 |
| doubledev | haha | 17:16 |
| doubledev | nice | 17:17 |
| cmaloney | I hope they can build their little friend someday | 17:17 |
| cmaloney | The second was with a contracting house that demanded I send thiem my drivers license (I refused) and then reformatted / rewrote my resume for the job even though it's CC-BY-NC_ND licensed | 17:17 |
| cmaloney | so they literally stripped out my license and copyrighted my resume | 17:18 |
| cmaloney | we had ... words. | 17:18 |
| cmaloney | But the girst was I felt I couldn't trust them to have my best interests at heart | 17:18 |
| cmaloney | because they ignored my desires | 17:19 |
| jrwren | the drivers license bit is illegal as an EOE, you could report them. | 17:19 |
| cmaloney | They claimed it was a Ford requirement, but in the end they didn't need it | 17:19 |
| cmaloney | that was before the resume re-write | 17:19 |
| cmaloney | What's awesome is my formative years as a computer professional were with Ford | 17:20 |
| cmaloney | as a contractor | 17:20 |
| cmaloney | So being told (in the first case) that I wasn't even worthy of an interview really stung | 17:21 |
| cmaloney | Nevermind that they got 8+ years out of me in one way or another | 17:22 |
| cmaloney | 13+ years in the auto industry. Just say no, kids. | 17:22 |
| jrwren | I did. | 17:23 |
| cmaloney | heh | 17:27 |
| cmaloney | I mean, I learned Perl and did some interesting web-based project | 17:28 |
| cmaloney | but when they didn't know what to do with you they didn't promote an environment of growth | 17:28 |
| cmaloney | and it was easy to get lost in there | 17:28 |
| doubledev | So don't go into automotive industry, got it! ;) | 17:33 |
| cmaloney | If you value your soul you'll find something else | 17:34 |
| rick_h_ | doubledev: what kind of work are you looking for? | 17:35 |
| doubledev | haha, i think i sold that a while back ago, but will steer clear of it. :) | 17:35 |
| doubledev | rick_h_: Well, I would like to stick with developing, but I wouldn't be opposed to moving into a support management role or quality team type of work. | 17:36 |
| doubledev | or even a deployment team role | 17:37 |
| jrwren | devops is all of those. | 17:37 |
| doubledev | I don't think devops would be good, just briefly looking at job descriptions and requirements. | 17:42 |
| jrwren | i must be only person outside of google who actually likes devops | 17:43 |
| doubledev | i am not saying I wouldn't like it, but don't think i am qualified for it | 17:43 |
| brousch | I like devops. I get to do all the things | 17:47 |
| jrwren | zactly! | 17:49 |
| jrwren | none of that - throw-it-over-the-wall-and-point-blame crap. | 17:50 |
| jrwren | and none of that - IT won't let us crap either. | 17:50 |
| jrwren | OWN IT ALL | 17:50 |
| cmaloney | Yep | 17:50 |
| greg-g | all of the: 24/7 pager duty :) | 17:52 |
| greg-g | (yes, because it makes you make better software!) | 17:52 |
| cmaloney | hell yeah | 17:55 |
| cmaloney | I don't want to be up at 3am trying to fix shit | 17:55 |
| cmaloney | Been there, done that, got the T-shirt | 17:55 |
| jrwren | actually it does! | 18:02 |
| jrwren | because you stop writing and designing things that can go down. | 18:02 |
| jrwren | 24/7 pager duty THAT NEVER GETS USED | 18:02 |
| jrwren | because you are finally forced to understand the platform on which you run and write to it... or... you don't, and you get called all the time. your fault. | 18:02 |
| jrwren | bonus if you define your own SLA such that it can always wait until morning. :) | 18:03 |
| greg-g | yeah... that SLA wouldn't fly here :P | 18:06 |
| jrwren | then you can afford to hire 24/7 support people. | 18:07 |
| jrwren | hired on 3-4 continents such that all hours of the day are covered by peoples regular working hours. | 18:08 |
| jrwren | if you can't do one or the other then something isn't being valued correctly. | 18:08 |
| greg-g | indeed :) | 18:13 |
| cmaloney | I like the SLA where it gets fixed when I get around to it | 19:23 |
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