| didrocks | good morning | 06:33 |
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| duflu | Hi didrocks | 06:55 |
| Laney | meow | 07:02 |
| Laney | forgot about the security reboot that was scheduled :< | 07:02 |
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| Laney | weird being the first one on! | 07:20 |
| duflu | Laney, morning. Actually didrocks has been in for about 50 min. | 07:21 |
| duflu | And not counting asia | 07:21 |
| Laney | hey duflu | 07:33 |
| didrocks | hey Laney, duflu! | 07:33 |
| Laney | You get a ... 1 minute timeout before you count as "not here" to me :P | 07:33 |
| Laney | hey didrocks! | 07:33 |
| Laney | what's the news? | 07:33 |
| didrocks | hot weather, fighting ears noise, discovering more and more ghost issues in whoopsie/apport | 07:34 |
| didrocks | the usual :) | 07:34 |
| didrocks | yourself? | 07:34 |
| Laney | ghosts in the code????????????????? | 07:35 |
| duflu | Laney, no news. Also inner ear problems but that's not | 07:35 |
| duflu | news | 07:35 |
| Laney | :( | 07:35 |
| Laney | you can mention olds too | 07:35 |
| didrocks | Laney: yeah, things are broken for a long time that nobody noticed | 07:35 |
| Laney | heh | 07:36 |
| Laney | sounds familiar | 07:36 |
| duflu | Seems we haven't had workable images for a while: http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/daily-live/ | 07:36 |
| duflu | In fact, longer. 20180530 is the last usable one I know of, but not downloadable | 07:37 |
| duflu | In theory anything from 20180626 onward should be OK, when it's ready | 07:38 |
| Laney | Builds have been failing for a while and should be fixed by https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/live-build/3.0~a57-1ubuntu36 | 07:38 |
| Laney | was in j_ibel's report yesterday | 07:38 |
| Laney | actually https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/live-build/3.0~a57-1ubuntu35 mainly | 07:39 |
| duflu | No worries. As with everything I just move to an unrelated task that's not blocked | 07:41 |
| duflu | Laney, how is Tuscany(?) treating you? | 07:42 |
| Laney | duflu: Good - these guys know how to cook/eat :-) | 07:50 |
| Laney | probably bad for my waistline | 07:50 |
| Laney | and it's a great environment to work in | 07:50 |
| Laney | surprisingly good 4G too | 07:50 |
| duflu | It looks terrible. https://www.google.com.au/search?q=tuscany&tbm=isch | 07:51 |
| Laney | although UK is actually hotter than here this week /o\ | 07:52 |
| duflu | Probably good. You don't want the Italy version of hot | 07:52 |
| Laney | https://photos.app.goo.gl/i3dDPQ4hRpNAhWA68 | 07:52 |
| duflu | jibel, koza has canceled his attendance again. And the others are not online yet. Any BT questions? | 07:56 |
| willcooke | morning | 08:00 |
| willcooke | duflu, looks like koza isnt around for the BT meeting | 08:00 |
| duflu | willcooke, yeah I was just saying. And nobody else is online/answering | 08:00 |
| duflu | Morning willcooke! | 08:00 |
| willcooke | duflu, in which case, can I ask you about palm detection on Bionic | 08:01 |
| willcooke | on my Thinkpad X270 is pretty much non existent | 08:01 |
| duflu | willcooke, let me dig up the test command(s). I forget.. | 08:01 |
| willcooke | in that it frequently moves the mouse, selects text, etc etc | 08:01 |
| didrocks | hey willcooke | 08:02 |
| willcooke | morning didrocks | 08:02 |
| seb128 | good morning desktopers | 08:03 |
| willcooke | hi seb128 | 08:05 |
| seb128 | hey willcooke, how are you today? | 08:05 |
| didrocks | hey seb128 | 08:05 |
| duflu | Hi seb128 | 08:05 |
| seb128 | hey didrocks duflu | 08:05 |
| duflu | willcooke, | 08:05 |
| duflu | sudo apt install libinput-tools | 08:05 |
| duflu | sudo libinput measure {touch-size | touchpad-pressure} | 08:05 |
| duflu | will show you if/when libinput ever detects palm. Usually only one of those commands is supported. Maybe none. | 08:05 |
| willcooke | thanks duflu I will play with that | 08:06 |
| duflu | Surprisingly many touchpads don't detect size so palm detection is impossible | 08:06 |
| duflu | Although some approximate it by reporting pressure, which physically is sometimes measured from size :) | 08:07 |
| duflu | willcooke, if you just find the default thresholds are wrong then that's a config file change we can get in upstream | 08:08 |
| willcooke | $ sudo libinput measure touch-size | 08:08 |
| willcooke | Using SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad: /dev/input/event5 | 08:08 |
| willcooke | Error: device does not have ABS_MT_TOUCH_MAJOR | 08:08 |
| willcooke | so doesnt support that one | 08:08 |
| duflu | Yeah, that's common | 08:08 |
| willcooke | woah | 08:08 |
| willcooke | but | 08:08 |
| willcooke | the second one... worked just fine a few minutes ago | 08:09 |
| willcooke | and it looks like I should tweak the settings just a little bit | 08:09 |
| willcooke | but now.... | 08:09 |
| willcooke | IndexError: list index out of range | 08:09 |
| duflu | willcooke, sounds like it's trying to remember number of fixes touching and lost count | 08:09 |
| duflu | -fixes -fingers | 08:10 |
| duflu | Actually that might explain a bug I was going to log today | 08:11 |
| duflu | Before the LCD failed so I lost interest in reporting the touchpad issue | 08:11 |
| willcooke | duflu, broken screen? | 08:11 |
| duflu | willcooke, yeah it was a custom build of my own. Will fix it later | 08:12 |
| willcooke | bad luck | 08:12 |
| willcooke | duflu, so how do I make touchpad-pressure work again? I'm confused | 08:13 |
| duflu | willcooke, sounds like the state is stuck independently of the tool. So I don't know other than rebooting. Maybe 'sudo rmmod psmouse ; sudo modprobe psmouse' | 08:13 |
| willcooke | Looks like I need to reboot, will try that later on and play with the settings | 08:14 |
| willcooke | thanks duflu | 08:14 |
| willcooke | FWIW, I think it's a very specific issue with a combination of where the touchpad is located on the laptop and where I put my hands | 08:15 |
| duflu | willcooke, no worries, but maybe try touching a few fingers and releasing to reset? | 08:15 |
| willcooke | I very slightly cover the bottom right corner | 08:15 |
| willcooke | duflu, aha! Yes, placing my palm in the "right" place has made it work again :) | 08:16 |
| willcooke | yikes, that tool is fragile :) | 08:16 |
| duflu | willcooke, sounds like the kernel state got stuck counting the wrong number of fingers. Because it will see a large palm as potentially multiple touches :( | 08:16 |
| duflu | Not being able to sense the size | 08:17 |
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| willcooke | so looks like the default is 130 | 08:19 |
| willcooke | and for me, something around 120 is better, and maybe even a little lower | 08:19 |
| willcooke | can I over ride that locally easy enough? | 08:19 |
| duflu | willcooke, it's surprisingly difficult. Let me find the docs | 08:19 |
| willcooke | and then I can post on the hub and ask people to test it | 08:19 |
| willcooke | duflu, thanks | 08:19 |
| willcooke | yesterday when I was working outside on a google doc is was annoying the crap out of me | 08:20 |
| willcooke | it kept selecting text, and then as I typed it would overwrite the selected text | 08:20 |
| duflu | willcooke, https://wayland.freedesktop.org/libinput/doc/latest/udev_config.html#hwdb and https://wayland.freedesktop.org/libinput/doc/latest/palm_detection.html | 08:23 |
| willcooke | thanks duflu | 08:26 |
| willcooke | I running xorg, does that matter? | 08:26 |
| willcooke | I would have thought that "Disable-while-typing" would have solved the problems Im seeing, so I wonder if that's a bit broken too | 08:26 |
| duflu | willcooke, so long as you're using libinput and don't have the synaptics driver installed then the docs apply | 08:26 |
| duflu | to all libinput users, including Xorg | 08:27 |
| willcooke | ack | 08:27 |
| pitti | bonjour tout le monde ! | 08:32 |
| didrocks | bonjour pitti, comment ça va ? | 08:32 |
| pitti | didrocks: sorry that you didn't make it to the foundation board | 08:32 |
| willcooke | duflu, the docs talk about using list-quirks, but that only exists > 1.11 I think. I'll go hunting for the old docs | 08:33 |
| didrocks | pitti: well, I was mostly expecting it, I at least tried to be helpful for the past 6 months, which is already something :) | 08:33 |
| pitti | didrocks: ça va bien, merci ! j'attends avec impatience le match de football cet àpres-midi :) | 08:33 |
| pitti | didrocks: et toi ? comment vas-tu et le petit Martin ? | 08:33 |
| didrocks | le football, c'est ce jeu qui se joue avec un ballon, c'est ça ? :p | 08:33 |
| Laney | hey pitti! | 08:33 |
| duflu | willcooke, the first link is all the docs. It only fails to mention the file to edit: /lib/udev/hwdb.d/90-libinput-model-quirks.hwdb | 08:34 |
| didrocks | pitti: Martin va très bien, merci! Il commence à essayer de marcher. Moi, j'ai toujours mes problèmes d'oreilles qui me pèsent, mais bon… | 08:34 |
| didrocks | pitti: et toi, quoi de neuf ? | 08:34 |
| duflu | then do the udevadm commands | 08:34 |
| pitti | didrocks: yes, where the players try to checkmate each other with as few puts into the hole as possible | 08:34 |
| pitti | hey hey Laney! | 08:34 |
| seb128 | salut pitti, comment ça va ? | 08:35 |
| didrocks | heh :p | 08:35 |
| * pitti donne l'équipe du bureau une accolade | 08:36 | |
| * seb128 hugs pitti back | 08:36 | |
| pitti | OOI, did you hear much feedback about the g-shell switch in bionic? | 08:36 |
| * pitti is rather far away from the desktop pixel world these days | 08:36 | |
| * didrocks hugs pitti back | 08:37 | |
| pitti | my GTK is called CSS these day | 08:37 |
| pitti | s | 08:37 |
| didrocks | heh & angular I guess :p | 08:37 |
| pitti | OMG no - react (but neither are pixels) | 08:37 |
| didrocks | transition was smooth, got good feedbacks in general | 08:37 |
| didrocks | ah nice! ;) | 08:38 |
| pitti | R.I.P. Unity, but nice to hear | 08:38 |
| didrocks | Unity is still in the repo, with some community members helping on it, it's great to see that :) | 08:38 |
| seb128 | pitti, seems a mix of "good job" and of "Give me back Unity/k, I'm done, I'm switching to other OS/linux desktop/distro..." | 08:38 |
| pitti | seb128: right, *all* these other OSes that offer unity!!11! | 08:39 |
| seb128 | haha | 08:39 |
| seb128 | well, most of them are rather on the line of "Unity was the only desktop around I found usable, your new thing isn't nearly as nice so I'm not going to use that" which is fair enough | 08:40 |
| seb128 | tbh I share a bit that view :/ | 08:40 |
| seb128 | give me back the space of the decoration and menus for maximized windows! | 08:40 |
| pitti | yeah, that's the bit I really liked | 08:41 |
| seb128 | (which is also the point most my friends who upgraded is telling me about) | 08:41 |
| seb128 | are* | 08:41 |
| pitti | minimizing the chrome to just the top bar | 08:41 |
| seb128 | oh, well, at least there is work to do and we manage to improve things and users seem to be glad for that :) | 08:42 |
| pitti | right, and on top of that much better relations to gnome | 08:42 |
| willcooke | woot. pulseaudio-dlna works nicely | 10:16 |
| willcooke | the deps don't look very pretty though | 10:16 |
| willcooke | but might be fun | 10:16 |
| * ogra_ wishes one could say the same about vlc :P | 10:27 | |
| willcooke | ogra_, wassat? vlc not sending over dlna? | 10:28 |
| ogra_ | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libupnp/+bug/1571199 | 10:28 |
| ubot5 | Ubuntu bug 1571199 in libupnp (Ubuntu Xenial) "vlc broken with latest libupnp" [Medium,Confirmed] | 10:28 |
| willcooke | oh :( | 10:28 |
| willcooke | does the snap have the same issue?: | 10:28 |
| ogra_ | yep | 10:29 |
| ogra_ | uses the same libpnp from the archive i guess | 10:29 |
| ogra_ | *libupnp | 10:29 |
| willcooke | bah | 10:30 |
| willcooke | hm. Looks like the usual vlc blaming libpnp and libpnp saying that vlc needs to be updated | 10:33 |
| ogra_ | well, the deb with the removed distro patch works fine ... | 10:33 |
| ogra_ | (the libupnp deb that is) ... | 10:33 |
| ogra_ | i doubt it is vlc's fault | 10:33 |
| ogra_ | (but i dont think the debian patch that closed the debian bug actually fixes the issue) | 10:35 |
| alexarnaud | Trevinho: andyrock: What's the roadmap for patch review on Compiz? Do you plan to do that this week or later? | 11:02 |
| andyrock | alexarnaud: before 4th July :) | 11:03 |
| alexarnaud | OK :) | 11:03 |
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| didrocks | Laney: does the snap seeds for iso building enable selecting a particular channel? | 13:05 |
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| Laney | didrocks: no, you have to use the ubuntu series thing, that is required by the specification | 15:51 |
| didrocks | Laney: ah, so basically foo snap will be pulled in cosmic/stable channel by default? | 15:52 |
| didrocks | (on the cosmic image) | 15:52 |
| Laney | I don't remember the exact name | 15:53 |
| Laney | and there's some fallback thing or something | 15:53 |
| Laney | like I don't think you actually have to publish there but the channel needs to exist | 15:53 |
| didrocks | is there a place where I can see this to check the name? | 15:53 |
| Laney | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuSeededSnaps | 15:53 |
| didrocks | I guess it should be the case for our default GNOME snaps, no? | 15:53 |
| Laney | it has to be the case or the iso fails to build | 15:54 |
| Laney | but if nothing published there, you get the version from stable | 15:54 |
| didrocks | per-Ubuntu-series branch? | 15:54 |
| didrocks | hum, the branch is the last of the tripplet | 15:54 |
| didrocks | I thought that track was supposed to be that one | 15:54 |
| didrocks | kenvandine: mind shedding some lights? Where do you publish our snaps? ^ | 15:55 |
| didrocks | Laney: I want communitheme to be per release, that's why I want to know where to publish it ;) | 15:55 |
| kenvandine | didrocks, i create a track for it | 15:56 |
| kenvandine | and we have to close it as well | 15:56 |
| didrocks | kenvandine: what's the naming convention ubuntu-<version>? | 15:57 |
| didrocks | kenvandine: basically, we are pulling from ubuntu-18.04/stable? | 15:57 |
| kenvandine | i think ubuntu-18.10/stable | 15:57 |
| * kenvandine checks | 15:57 | |
| didrocks | kenvandine: do you always go to the forum to have the track opened? | 15:57 |
| kenvandine | no | 15:58 |
| kenvandine | snapcraft release gnome-3-26-1604 62 stable/ubuntu-18.10 | 15:58 |
| kenvandine | snapcraft close gnome-3-26-1604 stable/ubuntu-18.10 | 15:58 |
| kenvandine | for example | 15:58 |
| didrocks | so, ti's a branch name… | 15:58 |
| kenvandine | yeah | 15:58 |
| kenvandine | i had it backwards :) | 15:58 |
| didrocks | who decided to use branch name rather than track name? | 15:58 |
| didrocks | because normally, tracks are for this, no? | 15:58 |
| kenvandine | slangasek i guess | 15:58 |
| kenvandine | he's the one that designed it | 15:58 |
| didrocks | hum, I need to speak to him ;) | 15:59 |
| didrocks | to understand why | 15:59 |
| kenvandine | don't think we want to change it now | 15:59 |
| didrocks | I'm unsure how I can share creds easily with people also in that order :/ | 15:59 |
| didrocks | yeah, it's just making things… harder | 15:59 |
| didrocks | well, it's 6PM, going to EOD, I'll ask tomorrow | 15:59 |
| kenvandine | good night! | 15:59 |
| didrocks | thanks for hints! | 15:59 |
| didrocks | I guess the only reason for this is to avoid requesting tracks opening for all snaps when a new release is out | 16:07 |
| Laney | it's for issuing updates if you need to per release | 16:11 |
| didrocks | interestingly, as we can't switch channels, I wonder how the 18.04 -> 18.10 update is working | 16:12 |
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| didrocks | kenvandine: any idea? | 16:12 |
| willcooke | night all | 17:12 |
| Laney | why does the theme need to be per release though? | 17:14 |
| Laney | you can version per gtk version within the theme itself if you need to | 17:14 |
| sergiusens | kenvandine: Laney (and didrocks whose not here), the use of a branch is beacuse if the branch is closed it defaults to the risk it was opened against. If a preinstalled snap is set to track <risk>/ubuntu and <risk>/ubuntu is closed, it will track <risk> and if ever the release team or whomever need to do something to update a critical snap, they can release to <risk>/ubuntu and users would pick it up. | 20:35 |
| Laney | sergiusens: Yeah I know that. It does feel slightly weird that we used ubuntu-$version, since it's not like we can upgrade the branch when people upgrade their distro release (right?) | 20:53 |
| Laney | so I'm not really sure what an update like that would look like | 20:53 |
| sergiusens | right, the suggestion there was indeed to create tracks, for LTS; but it was a suggestion, not a requirement iirc | 21:35 |
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