[06:33] good morning [06:55] Hi didrocks [07:02] meow [07:02] forgot about the security reboot that was scheduled :< === pstolowski|afk is now known as pstolowski [07:20] weird being the first one on! [07:21] Laney, morning. Actually didrocks has been in for about 50 min. [07:21] And not counting asia [07:33] hey duflu [07:33] hey Laney, duflu! [07:33] You get a ... 1 minute timeout before you count as "not here" to me :P [07:33] hey didrocks! [07:33] what's the news? [07:34] hot weather, fighting ears noise, discovering more and more ghost issues in whoopsie/apport [07:34] the usual :) [07:34] yourself? [07:35] ghosts in the code????????????????? [07:35] Laney, no news. Also inner ear problems but that's not [07:35] news [07:35] :( [07:35] you can mention olds too [07:35] Laney: yeah, things are broken for a long time that nobody noticed [07:36] heh [07:36] sounds familiar [07:36] Seems we haven't had workable images for a while: http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/daily-live/ [07:37] In fact, longer. 20180530 is the last usable one I know of, but not downloadable [07:38] In theory anything from 20180626 onward should be OK, when it's ready [07:38] Builds have been failing for a while and should be fixed by https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/live-build/3.0~a57-1ubuntu36 [07:38] was in j_ibel's report yesterday [07:39] actually https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/live-build/3.0~a57-1ubuntu35 mainly [07:41] No worries. As with everything I just move to an unrelated task that's not blocked [07:42] Laney, how is Tuscany(?) treating you? [07:50] duflu: Good - these guys know how to cook/eat :-) [07:50] probably bad for my waistline [07:50] and it's a great environment to work in [07:50] surprisingly good 4G too [07:51] It looks terrible. https://www.google.com.au/search?q=tuscany&tbm=isch [07:52] although UK is actually hotter than here this week /o\ [07:52] Probably good. You don't want the Italy version of hot [07:52] https://photos.app.goo.gl/i3dDPQ4hRpNAhWA68 [07:56] jibel, koza has canceled his attendance again. And the others are not online yet. Any BT questions? [08:00] morning [08:00] duflu, looks like koza isnt around for the BT meeting [08:00] willcooke, yeah I was just saying. And nobody else is online/answering [08:00] Morning willcooke! [08:01] duflu, in which case, can I ask you about palm detection on Bionic [08:01] on my Thinkpad X270 is pretty much non existent [08:01] willcooke, let me dig up the test command(s). I forget.. [08:01] in that it frequently moves the mouse, selects text, etc etc [08:02] hey willcooke [08:02] morning didrocks [08:03] good morning desktopers [08:05] hi seb128 [08:05] hey willcooke, how are you today? [08:05] hey seb128 [08:05] Hi seb128 [08:05] hey didrocks duflu [08:05] willcooke, [08:05] sudo apt install libinput-tools [08:05] sudo libinput measure {touch-size | touchpad-pressure} [08:05] will show you if/when libinput ever detects palm. Usually only one of those commands is supported. Maybe none. [08:06] thanks duflu I will play with that [08:06] Surprisingly many touchpads don't detect size so palm detection is impossible [08:07] Although some approximate it by reporting pressure, which physically is sometimes measured from size :) [08:08] willcooke, if you just find the default thresholds are wrong then that's a config file change we can get in upstream [08:08] $ sudo libinput measure touch-size [08:08] Using SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad: /dev/input/event5 [08:08] Error: device does not have ABS_MT_TOUCH_MAJOR [08:08] so doesnt support that one [08:08] Yeah, that's common [08:08] woah [08:08] but [08:09] the second one... worked just fine a few minutes ago [08:09] and it looks like I should tweak the settings just a little bit [08:09] but now.... [08:09] IndexError: list index out of range [08:09] willcooke, sounds like it's trying to remember number of fixes touching and lost count [08:10] -fixes -fingers [08:11] Actually that might explain a bug I was going to log today [08:11] Before the LCD failed so I lost interest in reporting the touchpad issue [08:11] duflu, broken screen? [08:12] willcooke, yeah it was a custom build of my own. Will fix it later [08:12] bad luck [08:13] duflu, so how do I make touchpad-pressure work again? I'm confused [08:13] willcooke, sounds like the state is stuck independently of the tool. So I don't know other than rebooting. Maybe 'sudo rmmod psmouse ; sudo modprobe psmouse' [08:14] Looks like I need to reboot, will try that later on and play with the settings [08:14] thanks duflu [08:15] FWIW, I think it's a very specific issue with a combination of where the touchpad is located on the laptop and where I put my hands [08:15] willcooke, no worries, but maybe try touching a few fingers and releasing to reset? [08:15] I very slightly cover the bottom right corner [08:16] duflu, aha! Yes, placing my palm in the "right" place has made it work again :) [08:16] yikes, that tool is fragile :) [08:16] willcooke, sounds like the kernel state got stuck counting the wrong number of fingers. Because it will see a large palm as potentially multiple touches :( [08:17] Not being able to sense the size === frederik is now known as Guest42853 [08:19] so looks like the default is 130 [08:19] and for me, something around 120 is better, and maybe even a little lower [08:19] can I over ride that locally easy enough? [08:19] willcooke, it's surprisingly difficult. Let me find the docs [08:19] and then I can post on the hub and ask people to test it [08:19] duflu, thanks [08:20] yesterday when I was working outside on a google doc is was annoying the crap out of me [08:20] it kept selecting text, and then as I typed it would overwrite the selected text [08:23] willcooke, https://wayland.freedesktop.org/libinput/doc/latest/udev_config.html#hwdb and https://wayland.freedesktop.org/libinput/doc/latest/palm_detection.html [08:26] thanks duflu [08:26] I running xorg, does that matter? [08:26] I would have thought that "Disable-while-typing" would have solved the problems Im seeing, so I wonder if that's a bit broken too [08:26] willcooke, so long as you're using libinput and don't have the synaptics driver installed then the docs apply [08:27] to all libinput users, including Xorg [08:27] ack [08:32] bonjour tout le monde ! [08:32] bonjour pitti, comment ça va ? [08:32] didrocks: sorry that you didn't make it to the foundation board [08:33] duflu, the docs talk about using list-quirks, but that only exists > 1.11 I think. I'll go hunting for the old docs [08:33] pitti: well, I was mostly expecting it, I at least tried to be helpful for the past 6 months, which is already something :) [08:33] didrocks: ça va bien, merci ! j'attends avec impatience le match de football cet àpres-midi :) [08:33] didrocks: et toi ? comment vas-tu et le petit Martin ? [08:33] le football, c'est ce jeu qui se joue avec un ballon, c'est ça ? :p [08:33] hey pitti! [08:34] willcooke, the first link is all the docs. It only fails to mention the file to edit: /lib/udev/hwdb.d/90-libinput-model-quirks.hwdb [08:34] pitti: Martin va très bien, merci! Il commence à essayer de marcher. Moi, j'ai toujours mes problèmes d'oreilles qui me pèsent, mais bon… [08:34] pitti: et toi, quoi de neuf ? [08:34] then do the udevadm commands [08:34] didrocks: yes, where the players try to checkmate each other with as few puts into the hole as possible [08:34] hey hey Laney! [08:35] salut pitti, comment ça va ? [08:35] heh :p [08:36] * pitti donne l'équipe du bureau une accolade [08:36] * seb128 hugs pitti back [08:36] OOI, did you hear much feedback about the g-shell switch in bionic? [08:36] * pitti is rather far away from the desktop pixel world these days [08:37] * didrocks hugs pitti back [08:37] my GTK is called CSS these day [08:37] s [08:37] heh & angular I guess :p [08:37] OMG no - react (but neither are pixels) [08:37] transition was smooth, got good feedbacks in general [08:38] ah nice! ;) [08:38] R.I.P. Unity, but nice to hear [08:38] Unity is still in the repo, with some community members helping on it, it's great to see that :) [08:38] pitti, seems a mix of "good job" and of "Give me back Unity/k, I'm done, I'm switching to other OS/linux desktop/distro..." [08:39] seb128: right, *all* these other OSes that offer unity!!11! [08:39] haha [08:40] well, most of them are rather on the line of "Unity was the only desktop around I found usable, your new thing isn't nearly as nice so I'm not going to use that" which is fair enough [08:40] tbh I share a bit that view :/ [08:40] give me back the space of the decoration and menus for maximized windows! [08:41] yeah, that's the bit I really liked [08:41] (which is also the point most my friends who upgraded is telling me about) [08:41] are* [08:41] minimizing the chrome to just the top bar [08:42] oh, well, at least there is work to do and we manage to improve things and users seem to be glad for that :) [08:42] right, and on top of that much better relations to gnome [10:16] woot. pulseaudio-dlna works nicely [10:16] the deps don't look very pretty though [10:16] but might be fun [10:27] * ogra_ wishes one could say the same about vlc :P [10:28] ogra_, wassat? vlc not sending over dlna? [10:28] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libupnp/+bug/1571199 [10:28] Ubuntu bug 1571199 in libupnp (Ubuntu Xenial) "vlc broken with latest libupnp" [Medium,Confirmed] [10:28] oh :( [10:28] does the snap have the same issue?: [10:29] yep [10:29] uses the same libpnp from the archive i guess [10:29] *libupnp [10:30] bah [10:33] hm. Looks like the usual vlc blaming libpnp and libpnp saying that vlc needs to be updated [10:33] well, the deb with the removed distro patch works fine ... [10:33] (the libupnp deb that is) ... [10:33] i doubt it is vlc's fault [10:35] (but i dont think the debian patch that closed the debian bug actually fixes the issue) [11:02] Trevinho: andyrock: What's the roadmap for patch review on Compiz? Do you plan to do that this week or later? [11:03] alexarnaud: before 4th July :) [11:03] OK :) === pstolowski is now known as pstolowski|lunch === pstolowski|lunch is now known as pstolowski [13:05] Laney: does the snap seeds for iso building enable selecting a particular channel? === alan_g is now known as alan_g_ [15:51] didrocks: no, you have to use the ubuntu series thing, that is required by the specification [15:52] Laney: ah, so basically foo snap will be pulled in cosmic/stable channel by default? [15:52] (on the cosmic image) [15:53] I don't remember the exact name [15:53] and there's some fallback thing or something [15:53] like I don't think you actually have to publish there but the channel needs to exist [15:53] is there a place where I can see this to check the name? [15:53] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuSeededSnaps [15:53] I guess it should be the case for our default GNOME snaps, no? [15:54] it has to be the case or the iso fails to build [15:54] but if nothing published there, you get the version from stable [15:54] per-Ubuntu-series branch? [15:54] hum, the branch is the last of the tripplet [15:54] I thought that track was supposed to be that one [15:55] kenvandine: mind shedding some lights? Where do you publish our snaps? ^ [15:55] Laney: I want communitheme to be per release, that's why I want to know where to publish it ;) [15:56] didrocks, i create a track for it [15:56] and we have to close it as well [15:57] kenvandine: what's the naming convention ubuntu-? [15:57] kenvandine: basically, we are pulling from ubuntu-18.04/stable? [15:57] i think ubuntu-18.10/stable [15:57] * kenvandine checks [15:57] kenvandine: do you always go to the forum to have the track opened? [15:58] no [15:58] snapcraft release gnome-3-26-1604 62 stable/ubuntu-18.10 [15:58] snapcraft close gnome-3-26-1604 stable/ubuntu-18.10 [15:58] for example [15:58] so, ti's a branch name… [15:58] yeah [15:58] i had it backwards :) [15:58] who decided to use branch name rather than track name? [15:58] because normally, tracks are for this, no? [15:58] slangasek i guess [15:58] he's the one that designed it [15:59] hum, I need to speak to him ;) [15:59] to understand why [15:59] don't think we want to change it now [15:59] I'm unsure how I can share creds easily with people also in that order :/ [15:59] yeah, it's just making things… harder [15:59] well, it's 6PM, going to EOD, I'll ask tomorrow [15:59] good night! [15:59] thanks for hints! [16:07] I guess the only reason for this is to avoid requesting tracks opening for all snaps when a new release is out [16:11] it's for issuing updates if you need to per release [16:12] interestingly, as we can't switch channels, I wonder how the 18.04 -> 18.10 update is working === pstolowski is now known as pstolowski|afk [16:12] kenvandine: any idea? [17:12] night all [17:14] why does the theme need to be per release though? [17:14] you can version per gtk version within the theme itself if you need to [20:35] kenvandine: Laney (and didrocks whose not here), the use of a branch is beacuse if the branch is closed it defaults to the risk it was opened against. If a preinstalled snap is set to track /ubuntu and /ubuntu is closed, it will track and if ever the release team or whomever need to do something to update a critical snap, they can release to /ubuntu and users would pick it up. [20:53] sergiusens: Yeah I know that. It does feel slightly weird that we used ubuntu-$version, since it's not like we can upgrade the branch when people upgrade their distro release (right?) [20:53] so I'm not really sure what an update like that would look like [21:35] right, the suggestion there was indeed to create tracks, for LTS; but it was a suggestion, not a requirement iirc