[00:15] <dotcomboom> Hey, a friend installed Ubuntu MATE (probably 18.04) in a Virtualbox VM and Welcome is blank. I suggested to install additional drivers but that hasn't seemed to resolve it
[00:28] <dotcomboom> It seems that it's because the VM had 1 GB RAM, I've replicated it and it seems to work on 2 GB.
[10:24] <karnemelk> i tried to install 18.04, it was a horrorshow. nothing worked, install took forever, cpu at a constant 96%/97%. dell docking station did not work, display troubles.
[10:24] <karnemelk> as a good samaritan i tried 17.10 .... smooth as butter
[10:25] <karnemelk> so my question, did the patches for spectre and meltdown got to 18.04 but not into 17.10 ?
[10:35] <alkisg> karnemelk: did you run `top` to see which process was taking 100% cpu?
[10:35] <alkisg> Which process was it? Paste it here.
[10:35] <alkisg> For example, I've heard issues with mate-hud and non-us keyboard layouts (just one of the cases)
[10:36] <alkisg> The patches should be there in both 17.10 and 18.04
[10:44] <karnemelk> alkisg, keyboard layout was uk_gb
[10:45] <karnemelk> but the problems arise before setting the keyboard, everything is slugish
[10:45] <karnemelk> so, since i have the iso right here.. im going to reboot into it
[10:45] <karnemelk> bbl
[11:24] <sixwheeledbeast^> patches would be in all supported versions so 16.04-18.04 yes.
[11:24] <karnemelk> alkisg, systemd-udevd crawls to 100% cpu usage
[11:25] <karnemelk> alkisg, in a minute its at 100% adding 10% dropping 7%, until it reaches max cpu
[11:31] <alkisg> karnemelk: do you see any errors in `dmesg` ?
[11:42] <karnemelk> alksig, if you have a procedure you want me to follow, tell me
[11:43] <karnemelk> gonna reboot, brb
[11:57] <karnemelk> alkisg, dmesg: http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/tMQc47DCtv/
[12:04] <alkisg> karnemelk: does the problem also happen if you don't use wlan?
[12:13] <karnemelk> alkisg, yes
[12:13] <karnemelk> alkisg, i only needed wlan for installing pastebin and dumping the log
[12:14] <alkisg> karnemelk: strange, udev is related to devices,devices show up in dmesg, and yet your dmesg seems clean
[12:15] <alkisg> Try with some of the noapic/nolapic/irqpoll kernel options while booting
[12:15] <alkisg> (pressing F6 and selecting or typing those)
[12:15] <alkisg> Does it happen in the installed system? Did you manage to install?
[12:16] <alkisg> (btw, I didn't mean "without using wifi", I meant "by completely disabling wifi so that the driver isn't loaded/used at all"
[12:22] <karnemelk> alkisg, yes its as slow as booting into the iso. installing takes about 1.5hrs and the cpu is constantly overheating and at 97% or above
[12:23] <alkisg> karnemelk: you can try to install a previous kernel, e.g. the same one as 17.10 has, to see if that one works fine
[12:24] <karnemelk> alkisg, that gonna be a problem as i paved it with 17.10 this morning.
[12:24] <alkisg> You can also try the opposite, install the 18.04 kernel into 17.10 and see if it gets the issue
[12:25] <alkisg> It does sound like a kernel/udev issue though, not a desktop environment issue
[12:25] <karnemelk> alkisg, where do i start ?
[12:26] <alkisg> karnemelk: you can install any kernel you want from the launchpad kernel ppa, google "ubuntu kernel ppa"
[12:28] <karnemelk> alkisg, ppa added, which kernel version ?
[12:29] <alkisg> karnemelk: I'm on 18.04 and I have 4.15.0-23-generic
[12:29] <alkisg> Presumably that would be similar to the one the .iso has
[12:29] <alkisg> (or at least the one you can get with normal updates in 18.04)
[12:34] <bobhawk> I'm using 16.04, I'm set to update to the next LTS version in my setting but it doesn't show that 18.04 is available
[12:36] <bobhawk> I guessing I just need to be patient until Mate says it's the right time to receive the update is that about right?
[12:42] <alkisg> bobhawk: I think it shows up when 18.04.1 is released, in August...
[12:42] <alkisg> You can still do it manually, but yeah, why not wait until it shows up
[12:55] <bobhawk> Thanks... I was hoping I wasn't the only one ... appreciate the confirmation
[13:40] <Asus15> hey all I've got trouble using my touchpad on a toshiba laptop on 18.04 LTS (same issue on 16.04 LTS) I've tried the hot keys and it works fine in other OS's. Please help?
[14:24] <karnemelk> alkisg, 4.15.18 works fine , trying 4.15.0 now
[14:30] <karnemelk> alkisg, 4.15.0-041500-generic seems to work fine too.
[14:37] <karnemelk> alkisg, so i cant reproduce this on 17.10 with a newer kernel
[14:39] <karnemelk> ill wait on the 18.04.01 release
[14:40] <karnemelk> there is a reddit topic on this issue too, which happens to be a dell machine also
[14:40] <karnemelk> alkisg, thanks for the help
[17:48] <drunkenlawyer> Hello. Not sure I am in the right place, but I have a support question about firefox with an issue that I only experience within ubuntu mate.
[17:48] <drunkenlawyer> Would it make more sense to discuss this in a mozilla forum?
[17:52] <diogenes_> !ask | drunkenlawyer
[17:58] <drunkenlawyer> Ok then. Will do. Basically firefox freezes for several seconds intermittently throughout the day on my laptop. I didn't have this problem until recently, have been using ubuntu mate regularly since the release of 17.10. I'm now in 18.04. I don't have this problem in chromium on ubuntu mate, or in firefox on other platforms (windows/mac). I have la
[17:58] <drunkenlawyer> yers.acceleration.force-enabled set to true, but disabling it does not fix the situation. Using firefox beta, and nightly also does not fix the problem. I have deleted my firefox profile each time i've attempted to fix the problem but it still crops up. Not sure what to try next, but I am determined to keep using firefox as my daily.
[18:04] <diogenes_> drunkenlawyer, so the issue occured on 18.04 only?
[18:14] <drunkenlawyer> Yes I've only experienced it on 18.04, but I haven't used an older release since doing a clean install of 18.04.
[18:15] <diogenes_> what graphics you hot?
[18:15] <diogenes_> got*
[18:15] <drunkenlawyer> intel hd 4000
[18:18] <diogenes_> drunkenlawyer, try this: sudo touch /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-intel.conf
[18:21] <drunkenlawyer> I get a no such file or directory error. Should I go ahead and create the xorg.conf.d directory?
[18:21] <diogenes_> ok then this: sudo mkdir /etc/xorg.conf.d
[18:23] <diogenes_> wrong sorry, this one: sudo mkdir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d
[18:23] <drunkenlawyer> no worries i understood the X11.
[18:23] <diogenes_> after that, sudo touch /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-intel.conf
[18:24] <drunkenlawyer> Alright. Done.
[18:24] <diogenes_> after that: pkexec pluma /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-intel.conf
[18:24] <diogenes_> and add the following: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/Xh688FzM49/
[18:25] <diogenes_> save, close and run: cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-intel.conf | nc termbin.com 9999
[18:25] <diogenes_> share the link here
[18:26] <drunkenlawyer> ok one sec
[18:27] <drunkenlawyer> http://termbin.com/otcd1
[18:28] <diogenes_> run: man intel and just tell me if u get the info
[18:30] <drunkenlawyer> it takes me to the man page for 'intel integrated graphics chipsets'
[18:30] <diogenes_> good, reboot now and see if u get freezes again
[18:31] <drunkenlawyer> I will reboot and log back onto irc now momentarily.
[18:34] <drunkenlawyer> Hello, I am back after a reboot
[18:34] <diogenes_> ok
[18:37] <drunkenlawyer> Thank you for your help.
[18:38] <diogenes_> yw hope it helps
[18:38] <drunkenlawyer> I have not experienced the issue thus far, though its only been several mins I normally would have had it happen at least once by now.
[18:41] <dreamscape> ok so can no one help with my touchpad not working? Been trying all day and at this stage I'm guessing it's a no go?
[18:42] <diogenes_> dreamscape, how it stopped working?
[18:43] <dreamscape> I've fresh installed MATE 16.04/18.04 and it refuses to work. Hot keys make no difference and xinput shows it in the list.
[18:44] <dreamscape> I installed synclient, it shows touchpadOff=0
[18:44] <diogenes_> so it doesn't work neither in 16.04 nor in 18.04\?
[18:45] <dreamscape> No
[18:45] <dreamscape> It wouldn't even work in the installer
[18:45] <diogenes_> model and year of lsptop?
[18:46] <dreamscape> Toshiba Satellite c50-b-189
[18:46] <dreamscape> not new but certainly not old either.
[18:47] <diogenes_> how can u be sure that touchpad is not damaged?
[18:47] <dreamscape> It works perfectly in BIOS and Windows
[18:49] <dreamscape> But I hate windows so.. I really want it to work with Linux :( I don't see why it doesn't work. Plug in a mouse and that works fine. Keyboard is fine. Just touchpad and touchpad buttons refuse to work.
[18:51] <diogenes_> dreamscape, run: apt list --installed | grep synaptic | nc termbin.com 9999
[18:51] <diogenes_> share the link here
[18:54] <Asus15> http://termbin.com/kerj
[18:54] <Asus15> there you go diogenes_ (on the laptop now, easier to copy and paste things)
[18:55] <diogenes_> Asus15, sorry?
[18:55] <dreamscape> its me ^^
[18:55] <diogenes_> hehe
[18:55] <dreamscape> sorry ha. Had to log in here on that laptop it makes things easier.
[18:55] <diogenes_> dreamscape, try this: sudo apt purge xserver-xorg-input-synaptics
[18:56] <dreamscape> ok that has removed xserver-xorg-input-synaptics
[18:56] <diogenes_> reboot
[18:58] <dreamscape> not working still
[18:59] <diogenes_> re-install it again:  sudo apt install xserver-xorg-input-synaptics
[18:59] <diogenes_> reboot afterwards
[19:01] <dreamscape> still the same
[19:01] <diogenes_> ok, run: xinput | nc termbin.com 9999
[19:02] <Asus15> http://termbin.com/2t0v
[19:03] <diogenes_> and: cat /proc/bus/input/devices | nc termbin.com 9999
[19:04] <Asus15> http://termbin.com/hvi0
[19:08] <diogenes_> ok try: sudo rmmod i2c_hid and then sudo modprobe i2c_hid
[19:09] <Asus15> rmmod: ERROR: Module i2c_hid is not currently loaded
[19:09] <diogenes_> then the second one
[19:09] <Asus15> that goes through fine
[19:09] <diogenes_> no changes?
[19:09] <Asus15> no output though and no touchpad
[19:12] <diogenes_> smells like a bug in the driver
[19:12] <dreamscape> damn :(
[19:16] <dreamscape> i guess this OS is a no go then :(
[19:16] <dreamscape> would this driver be used on all linux distro's?
[19:17] <diogenes_> yes but not all use the same version of it, you can try different live sessions and maybe you will find the one that works
[19:18] <diogenes_> we can try another thing
[19:18] <dreamscape> ok worth a shot :) i did try Linux Mint live cd but that didn't work either.
[19:19] <diogenes_> cat /etc/default/grub | ncv termbin.com 9999
[19:19] <diogenes_> sorry
[19:19] <diogenes_> this one ^^
[19:20] <diogenes_> this: /etc/default/grub | nc termbin.com 9999
[19:20] <diogenes_> ^^^
[19:21] <Asus15> http://termbin.com/dkxt
[19:22] <diogenes_> pkexec pluma /etc/default/grub
[19:23] <diogenes_> modify the line: GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet splash" to look like GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet splash i8042.reset i8042.nomux i8042.nopnp i8042.noloop"
[19:23] <diogenes_> after that: sudo update-grub
[19:23] <Asus15> ok
[19:23] <diogenes_> after that: cat /etc/default/grub | nc termbin.com 9999
[19:24] <Asus15> http://termbin.com/63c9
[19:24] <diogenes_> reboot, fingers crossed :)
[19:26] <Asus15> no :(
[19:28] <diogenes_> bad :(
[19:28] <Asus15> yes :(
[19:29] <Asus15> I guess i must look at other distro's
[19:29] <diogenes_> try some live images of manjaro, opensuse, solus, xubuntu and even cent os
[19:29] <Asus15> will do
[19:29] <diogenes_> if you get any luck, come here and tell me
[19:29] <Asus15> will do :)
[19:29] <diogenes_> :)
[20:04] <dreamscape> Solus, Xubuntu, Majaro all tried none work with touchpad :( diogenes_
[20:05] <diogenes_> opensuse and centos left
[20:07] <dreamscape> i doubt they will work :( why does it not work with linux? seems strange
[20:08] <diogenes_> i think if you lived nearby we could have done something about it (maybe) some cases devices work after i pet them :)
[20:10] <diogenes_> try centos and fedora because centos uses older and stable packages and fedora because it uses wayland
[20:10] <dreamscape> ok
[20:11] <dreamscape> really don't want to resort to using windows :(
[20:16] <diogenes_> dreamscape, i need to go now, if none of those work the come back tomorrow but write to me in priv and we will try few other tricks
[20:18] <dreamscape> ok
[20:29] <vampirefox2> Has anyone else had trouble registering on the Ubuntu-Mate community site? I've tried to register but I never get a confirmation email.
[21:12] <gateromans> yes, i tried for three days to try and register for the community and tried getting some help. in the end i registered a new google account and used the gmail button to register and that worked.
[21:13] <gateromans> using just the register email and verify has not worked, i hope that helps.
[21:29] <vampirefox2> Ok,I'll try that, thanks :)
[21:33] <gateromans> @vampirefox2 your welcome
[22:30] <nardil> i cant get vcl media player to work, is there something else better?