| cmaloney | Good mornin | 12:51 |
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| rick_h_ | wet morning :( | 13:06 |
| cmaloney | Yeah it is | 13:25 |
| cmaloney | I kind of dig it | 13:25 |
| brousch | I'll bet you'll find worms | 13:32 |
| rick_h_ | ruining my work outside streak | 13:34 |
| jrwren | :) | 13:34 |
| jrwren | I've been in my basement too long. I really need to do some porch work | 13:34 |
| rick_h_ | had a guy come out and quote an awning for the top deck | 13:34 |
| jrwren | $10,000? | 13:34 |
| rick_h_ | should ahve told him to just install it while he was here :P | 13:34 |
| rick_h_ | jrwren: 3k power awning with lights/wind sensor including install | 13:35 |
| jrwren | nice! | 13:35 |
| rick_h_ | yea, just have to talk the wife into it | 13:35 |
| rick_h_ | tough while they're here working on the bathroom and such lol | 13:35 |
| jrwren | I setup a temp sail shade thing for 1 day. it was nice, but I don't want to do the work to make it permanent :) | 13:35 |
| rick_h_ | yea, I should look at that. I got a couple of tarps for camping with the big poles and such thinking it'd be cool to setup more shade when camping | 13:36 |
| rick_h_ | I wonder if I could zip-tie the poles to the deck and hang the tarp up for a couple of days to try it out | 13:36 |
| cmaloney | Power awning. That sounds like something JoDee would like | 13:37 |
| cmaloney | though I like our little falling-apart porch in back | 13:37 |
| rick_h_ | https://www.marygrove.com/retractable-awnings/ | 13:37 |
| rick_h_ | I didn't want power, but they need to do the roof mount to get it up high enough and can't reach it with a pole to do manual :( | 13:38 |
| jrwren | how big is it? | 13:38 |
| rick_h_ | for my area it's a 12x10 | 13:39 |
| cmaloney | funnily enough we wondered if anyone did awnings still | 13:40 |
| cmaloney | good to see they still do | 13:40 |
| rick_h_ | just for the upper part of https://photos.app.goo.gl/WzLFHHAGDLZ481EHA | 13:40 |
| cmaloney | right | 13:40 |
| jrwren | cmaloney: there are still awning infomercials on old-people-tv-channels | 14:02 |
| brousch | Are you implying cmaloney should have seen them? | 14:18 |
| jrwren | no. | 14:19 |
| jrwren | i'm explicitly saying that I have. :) | 14:19 |
| brousch | You're not allowed to watch old man channels because that means I could be watching old man channels | 14:23 |
| jrwren | well... i really like startrek so sometimes I watch it on H&I | 14:24 |
| jrwren | that is an old people channel | 14:24 |
| cmaloney | I think this is an old people channel. ;) | 14:51 |
| jrwren | its becoming one. | 14:51 |
| * rick_h_ waves from one old man to the other old men | 14:51 | |
| rick_h_ | jrwren: every year, closer to that very goal :P | 14:51 |
| cmaloney | Senior Discounts? | 14:51 |
| jrwren | I was about to say, when was the last time new folks, who may be young, joined here. but now that I think of it, we've had some new chatters. | 14:52 |
| jrwren | hopefully we are welcoming and they stick around. | 14:52 |
| cmaloney | I passed by a sign for the community center: Senior blah blah, 50+. | 14:52 |
| cmaloney | and I'm like "Fuck you, sign" | 14:52 |
| jrwren | are you 50 now? | 14:52 |
| cmaloney | Not yet | 14:52 |
| cmaloney | but I remember thinking that 50+ was a long way off | 14:53 |
| cmaloney | and it's not so long-way-off-now | 14:53 |
| rick_h_ | Yay! I FINALLY got the update to Android Messages so I can do texts on my laptop | 14:55 |
| cmaloney | nice! | 14:55 |
| rick_h_ | google voice transition is now complete and no need for hangouts | 14:55 |
| cmaloney | I still use Hangouts | 14:55 |
| cmaloney | but yeah, it seems Hangouts are the eldest sibling of the Google Messaging ecosystem | 14:56 |
| cmaloney | supposed to be responsible and not change much | 14:56 |
| rick_h_ | the thing is that I end up with "where did I get that?" and have to check texts, hangouts, email, etc. It'll be good to drop one finally | 14:57 |
| cmaloney | but with Google thinking that Hangouts will somehow become Slack for Busines I wonder what will happen to it | 14:57 |
| rick_h_ | smartass :P | 14:58 |
| cmaloney | Heh | 14:58 |
| cmaloney | Nothing says Love like sending rick_h_ a message on a platform he's trying to sundown | 14:58 |
| cmaloney | my worry is they'll phase out Google Voice and then I'll have to pay for SMS again | 14:59 |
| cmaloney | and give out a "real" phone number | 15:00 |
| cmaloney | ugh | 15:00 |
| jrwren | its a terrible system. | 15:03 |
| cmaloney | which? | 15:03 |
| jrwren | google's messages systems | 15:03 |
| jrwren | hangsouts/meet/hello/gtalk | 15:03 |
| jrwren | all separate. | 15:03 |
| jrwren | but why should goog care? they don't make money on any of those. | 15:03 |
| jrwren | I love teh texts to laptop feature though. Its one of my fav apple features. | 15:03 |
| cmaloney | Well, Google had one that I was pretty convinced wouldn't go anywhere | 15:04 |
| cmaloney | Duo or Allo. Not sure which | 15:04 |
| cmaloney | https://www.androidauthority.com/google-messaging-apps-867843/ | 15:05 |
| cmaloney | I agree with this article: Hangouts is the best at what it does. That's likely why Google keeps wanting to kill it. | 15:05 |
| cmaloney | After reading it I think Duo and Allo should both be tanked | 15:09 |
| jrwren | yup | 15:10 |
| jrwren | and meet too. | 15:10 |
| cmaloney | *eyeroll* | 15:11 |
| jrwren | what? | 15:11 |
| jrwren | thre's still be hangouts. | 15:11 |
| jrwren | hahahaha... I was about to say... imagine if MS made 3 wordprocessors instead of just word. | 15:11 |
| jrwren | but then I remember that they did. | 15:11 |
| cmaloney | I'm just waiting for Google to screw up Hangouts | 15:11 |
| cmaloney | Yeah, Works, Word, and ... something else | 15:12 |
| jrwren | there was/is write/wordpad, the one in msworks, and mspublisher and all that was confusing. | 15:12 |
| jrwren | hahaha, yup | 15:12 |
| cmaloney | Publisher was a purchased program | 15:12 |
| cmaloney | but yeah, Wordpad, Word, and Works were confusing little fucks | 15:12 |
| cmaloney | Sorry, but Wordpad was most frustrating of all | 15:13 |
| cmaloney | since it was a crapshoot betwheen whether Notepad or Wordpad would open any file on the machine | 15:13 |
| cmaloney | and the myriad cries of "Wordpad is not an editor" | 15:13 |
| jrwren | publisher was confusing for a lot of people too because a lot of folks used WORD to try to do what publisher was meant to do. | 15:14 |
| cmaloney | That was the whole reason I taught my mom how to use Publisher instead of Word | 15:15 |
| cmaloney | now she uses it for everything | 15:15 |
| cmaloney | and I can't get her to stop | 15:15 |
| jrwren | ha! | 15:15 |
| cmaloney | I tried to get her to use Scribus, but Scribus is not intuitive at the best of times | 15:16 |
| jrwren | nope | 15:16 |
| cmaloney | I'm just going to sit here and hope that federated protocols take over the world | 15:17 |
| cmaloney | and folks will magically start using Libreoffice, Mastodon / ActivityPub, and the like | 15:18 |
| cmaloney | and perhaps magical unicorns will descend from fairy-land to sprinkle us with fairy dust | 15:18 |
| jrwren | remember in cathedral and bazaar how it was mentioned that some software which isn't widely used may not make sense for open source? I wonder if video chat is one of those. | 15:19 |
| jrwren | the bazaar economics don't fit? | 15:19 |
| cmaloney | http://i.imgur.com/bnIq54u.png | 15:20 |
| jrwren | lol | 15:20 |
| cmaloney | I don't think it's economics as much as the protocols / clients are half-baked and unintuitive | 15:20 |
| cmaloney | Trying to explain XMPP to someone who just wants to chat is akin to telling someone they need to hum sine-wave patterns to dial a phone | 15:21 |
| brousch | Video chat is used a lot now in business | 15:22 |
| cmaloney | or tell an operator that you want to call the Jiffy Lube in United States, Michigan, Royal Oak, 13 Mile, Telegraph, 5150 Telegraph, Bob. | 15:22 |
| brousch | skype and hangouts here, facetime is popular for consumers | 15:23 |
| cmaloney | Yeah | 15:23 |
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