[12:51] Good mornin [13:06] wet morning :( [13:25] Yeah it is [13:25] I kind of dig it [13:32] I'll bet you'll find worms [13:34] ruining my work outside streak [13:34] :) [13:34] I've been in my basement too long. I really need to do some porch work [13:34] had a guy come out and quote an awning for the top deck [13:34] $10,000? [13:34] should ahve told him to just install it while he was here :P [13:35] jrwren: 3k power awning with lights/wind sensor including install [13:35] nice! [13:35] yea, just have to talk the wife into it [13:35] tough while they're here working on the bathroom and such lol [13:35] I setup a temp sail shade thing for 1 day. it was nice, but I don't want to do the work to make it permanent :) [13:36] yea, I should look at that. I got a couple of tarps for camping with the big poles and such thinking it'd be cool to setup more shade when camping [13:36] I wonder if I could zip-tie the poles to the deck and hang the tarp up for a couple of days to try it out [13:37] Power awning. That sounds like something JoDee would like [13:37] though I like our little falling-apart porch in back [13:37] https://www.marygrove.com/retractable-awnings/ [13:38] I didn't want power, but they need to do the roof mount to get it up high enough and can't reach it with a pole to do manual :( [13:38] how big is it? [13:39] for my area it's a 12x10 [13:40] funnily enough we wondered if anyone did awnings still [13:40] good to see they still do [13:40] just for the upper part of https://photos.app.goo.gl/WzLFHHAGDLZ481EHA [13:40] right [14:02] cmaloney: there are still awning infomercials on old-people-tv-channels [14:18] Are you implying cmaloney should have seen them? [14:19] no. [14:19] i'm explicitly saying that I have. :) [14:23] You're not allowed to watch old man channels because that means I could be watching old man channels [14:24] well... i really like startrek so sometimes I watch it on H&I [14:24] that is an old people channel [14:51] I think this is an old people channel. ;) [14:51] its becoming one. [14:51] * rick_h_ waves from one old man to the other old men [14:51] jrwren: every year, closer to that very goal :P [14:51] Senior Discounts? [14:52] I was about to say, when was the last time new folks, who may be young, joined here. but now that I think of it, we've had some new chatters. [14:52] hopefully we are welcoming and they stick around. [14:52] I passed by a sign for the community center: Senior blah blah, 50+. [14:52] and I'm like "Fuck you, sign" [14:52] are you 50 now? [14:52] Not yet [14:53] but I remember thinking that 50+ was a long way off [14:53] and it's not so long-way-off-now [14:55] Yay! I FINALLY got the update to Android Messages so I can do texts on my laptop [14:55] nice! [14:55] google voice transition is now complete and no need for hangouts [14:55] I still use Hangouts [14:56] but yeah, it seems Hangouts are the eldest sibling of the Google Messaging ecosystem [14:56] supposed to be responsible and not change much [14:57] the thing is that I end up with "where did I get that?" and have to check texts, hangouts, email, etc. It'll be good to drop one finally [14:57] but with Google thinking that Hangouts will somehow become Slack for Busines I wonder what will happen to it [14:58] smartass :P [14:58] Heh [14:58] Nothing says Love like sending rick_h_ a message on a platform he's trying to sundown [14:59] my worry is they'll phase out Google Voice and then I'll have to pay for SMS again [15:00] and give out a "real" phone number [15:00] ugh [15:03] its a terrible system. [15:03] which? [15:03] google's messages systems [15:03] hangsouts/meet/hello/gtalk [15:03] all separate. [15:03] but why should goog care? they don't make money on any of those. [15:03] I love teh texts to laptop feature though. Its one of my fav apple features. [15:04] Well, Google had one that I was pretty convinced wouldn't go anywhere [15:04] Duo or Allo. Not sure which [15:05] https://www.androidauthority.com/google-messaging-apps-867843/ [15:05] I agree with this article: Hangouts is the best at what it does. That's likely why Google keeps wanting to kill it. [15:09] After reading it I think Duo and Allo should both be tanked [15:10] yup [15:10] and meet too. [15:11] *eyeroll* [15:11] what? [15:11] thre's still be hangouts. [15:11] hahahaha... I was about to say... imagine if MS made 3 wordprocessors instead of just word. [15:11] but then I remember that they did. [15:11] I'm just waiting for Google to screw up Hangouts [15:12] Yeah, Works, Word, and ... something else [15:12] there was/is write/wordpad, the one in msworks, and mspublisher and all that was confusing. [15:12] hahaha, yup [15:12] Publisher was a purchased program [15:12] but yeah, Wordpad, Word, and Works were confusing little fucks [15:13] Sorry, but Wordpad was most frustrating of all [15:13] since it was a crapshoot betwheen whether Notepad or Wordpad would open any file on the machine [15:13] and the myriad cries of "Wordpad is not an editor" [15:14] publisher was confusing for a lot of people too because a lot of folks used WORD to try to do what publisher was meant to do. [15:15] That was the whole reason I taught my mom how to use Publisher instead of Word [15:15] now she uses it for everything [15:15] and I can't get her to stop [15:15] ha! [15:16] I tried to get her to use Scribus, but Scribus is not intuitive at the best of times [15:16] nope [15:17] I'm just going to sit here and hope that federated protocols take over the world [15:18] and folks will magically start using Libreoffice, Mastodon / ActivityPub, and the like [15:18] and perhaps magical unicorns will descend from fairy-land to sprinkle us with fairy dust [15:19] remember in cathedral and bazaar how it was mentioned that some software which isn't widely used may not make sense for open source? I wonder if video chat is one of those. [15:19] the bazaar economics don't fit? [15:20] http://i.imgur.com/bnIq54u.png [15:20] lol [15:20] I don't think it's economics as much as the protocols / clients are half-baked and unintuitive [15:21] Trying to explain XMPP to someone who just wants to chat is akin to telling someone they need to hum sine-wave patterns to dial a phone [15:22] Video chat is used a lot now in business [15:22] or tell an operator that you want to call the Jiffy Lube in United States, Michigan, Royal Oak, 13 Mile, Telegraph, 5150 Telegraph, Bob. [15:23] skype and hangouts here, facetime is popular for consumers [15:23] Yeah