[12:51] <cmaloney> Good mornin
[13:06] <rick_h_> wet morning :(
[13:25] <cmaloney> Yeah it is
[13:25] <cmaloney> I kind of dig it
[13:32] <brousch> I'll bet you'll find worms
[13:34] <rick_h_> ruining my work outside streak
[13:34] <jrwren> :)
[13:34] <jrwren> I've been in my basement too long. I really need to do some porch work
[13:34] <rick_h_> had a guy come out and quote an awning for the top deck
[13:34] <jrwren> $10,000?
[13:34] <rick_h_> should ahve told him to just install it while he was here :P
[13:35] <rick_h_> jrwren: 3k power awning with lights/wind sensor including install
[13:35] <jrwren> nice!
[13:35] <rick_h_> yea, just have to talk the wife into it
[13:35] <rick_h_> tough while they're here working on the bathroom and such lol
[13:35] <jrwren> I setup a temp sail shade thing for 1 day. it was nice, but I don't want to do the work to make it permanent :)
[13:36] <rick_h_> yea, I should look at that. I got a couple of tarps for camping with the big poles and such thinking it'd be cool to setup more shade when camping
[13:36] <rick_h_> I wonder if I could zip-tie the poles to the deck and hang the tarp up for a couple of days to try it out
[13:37] <cmaloney> Power awning. That sounds like something JoDee would like
[13:37] <cmaloney> though I like our little falling-apart porch in back
[13:37] <rick_h_> https://www.marygrove.com/retractable-awnings/
[13:38] <rick_h_> I didn't want power, but they need to do the roof mount to get it up high enough and can't reach it with a pole to do manual :(
[13:38] <jrwren> how big is it?
[13:39] <rick_h_> for my area it's a 12x10
[13:40] <cmaloney> funnily enough we wondered if anyone did awnings still
[13:40] <cmaloney> good to see they still do
[13:40] <rick_h_> just for the upper part of https://photos.app.goo.gl/WzLFHHAGDLZ481EHA
[13:40] <cmaloney> right
[14:02] <jrwren> cmaloney: there are still awning infomercials on old-people-tv-channels
[14:18] <brousch> Are you implying cmaloney should have seen them?
[14:19] <jrwren> no.
[14:19] <jrwren> i'm explicitly saying that I have. :)
[14:23] <brousch> You're not allowed to watch old man channels because that means I could be watching old man channels
[14:24] <jrwren> well... i really like startrek so sometimes I watch it on H&I
[14:24] <jrwren> that is an old people channel
[14:51] <cmaloney> I think this is an old people channel. ;)
[14:51] <jrwren> its becoming one.
[14:51]  * rick_h_ waves from one old man to the other old men
[14:51] <rick_h_> jrwren: every year, closer to that very goal :P
[14:51] <cmaloney> Senior Discounts?
[14:52] <jrwren> I was about to say, when was the last time new folks, who may be young, joined here. but now that I think of it, we've had some new chatters.
[14:52] <jrwren> hopefully we are welcoming and they stick around.
[14:52] <cmaloney> I passed by a sign for the community center: Senior blah blah, 50+.
[14:52] <cmaloney> and I'm like "Fuck you, sign"
[14:52] <jrwren> are you 50 now?
[14:52] <cmaloney> Not yet
[14:53] <cmaloney> but I remember thinking that 50+ was a long way off
[14:53] <cmaloney> and it's not so long-way-off-now
[14:55] <rick_h_> Yay! I FINALLY got the update to Android Messages so I can do texts on my laptop
[14:55] <cmaloney> nice!
[14:55] <rick_h_> google voice transition is now complete and no need for hangouts
[14:55] <cmaloney> I still use Hangouts
[14:56] <cmaloney> but yeah, it seems Hangouts are the eldest sibling of the Google Messaging ecosystem
[14:56] <cmaloney> supposed to be responsible and not change much
[14:57] <rick_h_> the thing is that I end up with "where did I get that?" and have to check texts, hangouts, email, etc. It'll be good to drop one finally
[14:57] <cmaloney> but with Google thinking that Hangouts will somehow become Slack for Busines I wonder what will happen to it
[14:58] <rick_h_> smartass :P
[14:58] <cmaloney> Heh
[14:58] <cmaloney> Nothing says Love like sending rick_h_ a message on a platform he's trying to sundown
[14:59] <cmaloney> my worry is they'll phase out Google Voice and then I'll have to pay for SMS again
[15:00] <cmaloney> and give out a "real" phone number
[15:00] <cmaloney> ugh
[15:03] <jrwren> its a terrible system.
[15:03] <cmaloney> which?
[15:03] <jrwren> google's messages systems
[15:03] <jrwren> hangsouts/meet/hello/gtalk
[15:03] <jrwren> all separate.
[15:03] <jrwren> but why should goog care? they don't make money on any of those.
[15:03] <jrwren> I love teh texts to laptop feature though. Its one of my fav apple features.
[15:04] <cmaloney> Well, Google had one that I was pretty convinced wouldn't go anywhere
[15:04] <cmaloney> Duo or Allo. Not sure which
[15:05] <cmaloney> https://www.androidauthority.com/google-messaging-apps-867843/
[15:05] <cmaloney> I agree with this article: Hangouts is the best at what it does. That's likely why Google keeps wanting to kill it.
[15:09] <cmaloney> After reading it I think Duo and Allo should both be tanked
[15:10] <jrwren> yup
[15:10] <jrwren> and meet too.
[15:11] <cmaloney> *eyeroll*
[15:11] <jrwren> what?
[15:11] <jrwren> thre's still be hangouts.
[15:11] <jrwren> hahahaha... I was about to say... imagine if MS made 3 wordprocessors instead of just word.
[15:11] <jrwren> but then I remember that they did.
[15:11] <cmaloney> I'm just waiting for Google to screw up Hangouts
[15:12] <cmaloney> Yeah, Works, Word, and ... something else
[15:12] <jrwren> there was/is write/wordpad, the one in msworks, and mspublisher and all that was confusing.
[15:12] <jrwren> hahaha, yup
[15:12] <cmaloney> Publisher was a purchased program
[15:12] <cmaloney> but yeah, Wordpad, Word, and Works were confusing little fucks
[15:13] <cmaloney> Sorry, but Wordpad was most frustrating of all
[15:13] <cmaloney> since it was a crapshoot betwheen whether Notepad or Wordpad would open any file on the machine
[15:13] <cmaloney> and the myriad cries of "Wordpad is not an editor"
[15:14] <jrwren> publisher was confusing for a lot of people too because a lot of folks used WORD to try to do what publisher was meant to do.
[15:15] <cmaloney> That was the whole reason I taught my mom how to use Publisher instead of Word
[15:15] <cmaloney> now she uses it for everything
[15:15] <cmaloney> and I can't get her to stop
[15:15] <jrwren> ha!
[15:16] <cmaloney> I tried to get her to use Scribus, but Scribus is not intuitive at the best of times
[15:16] <jrwren> nope
[15:17] <cmaloney> I'm just going to sit here and hope that federated protocols take over the world
[15:18] <cmaloney> and folks will magically start using Libreoffice, Mastodon / ActivityPub, and the like
[15:18] <cmaloney> and perhaps magical unicorns will descend from fairy-land to sprinkle us with fairy dust
[15:19] <jrwren> remember in cathedral and bazaar how it was mentioned that some software which isn't widely used may not make sense for open source? I wonder if video chat is one of those.
[15:19] <jrwren> the bazaar economics don't fit?
[15:20] <cmaloney> http://i.imgur.com/bnIq54u.png
[15:20] <jrwren> lol
[15:20] <cmaloney> I don't think it's economics as much as the protocols / clients are half-baked and unintuitive
[15:21] <cmaloney> Trying to explain XMPP to someone who just wants to chat is akin to telling someone they need to hum sine-wave patterns to dial a phone
[15:22] <brousch> Video chat is used a lot now in business
[15:22] <cmaloney> or tell an operator that you want to call the Jiffy Lube in United States, Michigan, Royal Oak, 13 Mile, Telegraph, 5150 Telegraph, Bob.
[15:23] <brousch> skype and hangouts here, facetime is popular for consumers
[15:23] <cmaloney> Yeah