[02:57] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[03:00] <lotuspsychje> !info firefox
[03:05] <oerheks> nope, no update
[03:05] <oerheks> :-(
[03:06] <lotuspsychje> hmmz :p
[03:06] <lotuspsychje> every new FF my speed dial has to be set again very anoying
[03:07] <lotuspsychje> and i dont like that for my customers neither
[03:12] <lotuspsychje> ill see what happens on 61, if its the same ill file a bug
[03:16] <oerheks> too early https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2018/06/firefox-61-released-with-faster-tab-switching-on-linux
[03:18] <hggdh> just a public announcement, given I have just seen such an issue (somewhere else, not germane right now): please make sure your pass(words|phrases) are non-trivial, not-reused, long, etc
[03:19] <lotuspsychje> ok tnx hggdh
[03:19] <oerheks> make it longer than 16 char :-)
[03:19] <hggdh> aye aye
[03:20] <oerheks> as windows has this limit ..
[03:20] <hggdh> and add special chars, and what the hell else
[03:20] <oerheks> :-D
[03:21] <lotuspsychje> Bl4cKh4T535]0nW1ndoW$
[03:21] <hggdh> (my password manager is set to create passwords 32 chars long. If a site is dumb enough not to accept it, I cut-and-paste to the limit)
[03:21] <oerheks> i avoid managers, paper it is.
[03:22] <lotuspsychje> yeah i buy i cheap notebook for my customers with all their passes
[03:22] <lotuspsychje> wifi, websites,ubuntu admin,..
[03:22] <hggdh> and I never ever reuse passwords. which means the password manager has a truck, no a train, load of passwords now
[03:22] <hggdh> but, then, I am paranoid
[03:23] <lotuspsychje> join the club :p
[03:23] <lotuspsychje> hggdh: but you would be amazed how many customers got a full FF logged passwords set
[03:24] <lotuspsychje> old FF==>exploit browser==>passwords stolen
[03:25] <hggdh> this is the hell-on-earth thingy. You have to have stupidly long passphrases, and you cannot save them in FFox (or whatever).
[03:25] <lotuspsychje> yeah
[03:26] <hggdh> not counting with each site having different rules for passwords
[03:26] <lotuspsychje> i see customers with different not reused passwords, but all very weak
[03:27] <hggdh> and the fact you are able to see them should be a warning something is wrong. But, again, I am paranoid
[03:27] <lotuspsychje> hggdh: did you check yourself yet? https://haveibeenpwned.com/
[03:28] <lotuspsychje> millions are compromized
[03:28] <hggdh> lotuspsychje: yeas, I have. Not 100% reliable, but if you get there...
[03:28] <lotuspsychje> lol
[03:29] <lotuspsychje> oerheks: tab warming, i like the sound of that
[03:29] <hggdh> we need to find something, a different style of 2FA, that actually works.
[03:30] <lotuspsychje> hggdh: i like security questions on login forms
[03:30] <lotuspsychje> hggdh: then i answer it wrong lol
[03:31] <lotuspsychje> what is your pet name?[03:31] <hggdh> lotuspsychje: I had/had a client that uses security questions. Their implementation costs (used to cost) about 2 minutes to login
[03:32] <lotuspsychje> lol
[03:32] <hggdh> I know this is an extreme case, but add to it the fact that sessions timed out on non-use in a few minutes
[03:33] <lotuspsychje> hggdh: but then alot of ppl answer security questions a right way
[03:33] <hggdh> so, for me to work around a change in 20 different servers would take about one hour of logging (and re-logging in)
[03:33] <lotuspsychje> hggdh: so when the abuser knows the email, and the person he knows their pet name and gets in
[03:33] <hggdh> lotuspsychje: oh, ALL my seurity answers are false. Er, fantasy.
[03:34] <hggdh> I have been born in more countries than I can remember
[03:34] <lotuspsychje> a linux mind :p
[03:34] <lotuspsychje> haha
[03:34] <hggdh> but I agree thi sis not the common approach
[03:34] <hggdh> (I mean, not telling the truth)
[03:35] <lotuspsychje> hggdh: older customers and remembering a whole list of passwords isnt a good idea
[03:35] <lotuspsychje> they already flip on few passes
[03:35] <lotuspsychje> so their admin needs to inform them their forgotten password lol
[03:36] <hggdh> this is why a password manager is important. Preferably one that does not save on the cloud
[03:36]  * lotuspsychje doesnt like the cloud
[03:36] <lotuspsychje> i know its a big deal...but the idea of something stored somewhere else then deep in my yard...brrr
[03:37] <hggdh> cloud is OK, as long as YOU are the only one that knows the encryption key. And the key is not trivial. And you do not have the NSA looking at you
[03:37] <lotuspsychje> lol
[03:37] <lotuspsychje> arent we all looked at?
[03:38] <lotuspsychje> prism, skype cough :p
[03:38] <hggdh> IDK. Sort of, probably. Adding US and GB, a lot of us are scanned
[03:39] <lotuspsychje> i like the idea of fantasy, if they catch, they catch fantasy
[03:39] <lotuspsychje> a john doe public wifi wardriver :p
[03:40] <hggdh> there is that. And the fact that keys in wifi are not that big of a problem
[03:40] <lotuspsychje> but thats the problem, everyone has a social media, nothing is fantasy anymore these days
[03:40] <lotuspsychje> type one name, and you get 10 pages of him/her
[03:41] <hggdh> heh. I DO have facebook, but just for immediate family. I think I posted one thing up to date
[03:43] <lotuspsychje> yeah alot of traces everywhere for everyone
[03:44] <hggdh> yeah
[03:44] <lotuspsychje> under the hood we are all random prey
[03:45] <lotuspsychje> thats how i see it
[03:45] <hggdh> unfortunately, I do not disagree
[03:46] <lotuspsychje> and its not gonna be better with those smartcities upon us
[03:51] <lotuspsychje> hggdh: i reccomend this one: https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2018/02/stupid-cities/553052/
[03:54] <hggdh> lotuspsychje: this is a amazingly turn-me-down view, but I cannot really fault it
[03:55] <lotuspsychje> indeed
[03:55] <lotuspsychje> chine is building 1000 of smart cities as we speak
[03:56] <lotuspsychje> or stupid :p
[03:56] <hggdh> heh
[03:56] <hggdh> anyway, time to hit the bed, still have an install to complete tomorrow
[03:56] <hggdh> cheers
[03:56] <lotuspsychje> hggdh: laterz
[06:19] <lordievader> Good morning
[06:29] <ducasse> good morning
[06:32] <lordievader> Hey ducasse , How are you doing?
[06:36] <ducasse> i'm good, thanks - and you?
[06:41] <lordievader> Doing good here :)
[08:13] <lotuspsychje> !info spotweb
[13:21] <EriC^> hey all
[13:24] <tomreyn> hey EriC^. watch JimBuntu granting qwebirc3425793428759283475983 permission to boot their other computer off their usb key.
[13:24] <tomreyn> :)
[13:25] <EriC^> hey tomreyn
[13:25] <EriC^> :D
[13:25] <EriC^> JimBuntu: did you ever end up trying fortnite?
[13:42] <pauljw> hi everyone
[13:44] <JimBuntu> EriC^, only watching them play it... now all I hear is fortnite found guilty, fortnite found guilty
[14:08] <EriC^> heh :D
[14:08] <EriC^> hey pauljw :)
[14:09] <pauljw> hi EriC^, how's it going today?  :)
[14:09] <EriC^> good thanks, you? :)
[14:12] <pauljw> all good here, EriC^
[16:09] <lotuspsychje> hey guys
[16:10]  * pragmaticenigma waves
[16:13] <tomreyn> \o
[16:14] <lotuspsychje> hey pragmaticenigma and tomreyn
[16:14] <lotuspsychje> how are you guys today
[16:16] <pragmaticenigma> doing alright, just about to grab lunch lotuspsychje ... how about you?
[16:16] <lotuspsychje> just got home from work, chill now and vacation!
[16:25] <leftyfb> god damnit, blackflow is annoying as hell
[16:25] <leftyfb> and not great at troubleshooting
[16:26] <lotuspsychje> leftyfb: i talked to him, its an ok fella
[16:26] <lotuspsychje> idled in discuss for a while too
[16:26] <leftyfb> PIA and again, not that great at troubleshooting. Loves to either jump around to random things or to hone in on one single aspect and ignores everything else
[16:27] <lotuspsychje> leftyfb: the art of support is letting go of the ego, and work togheter as a team
[16:27] <lotuspsychje> even on hard(er) times
[16:28] <lotuspsychje> blame or attack each other doesnt gain nothing
[16:32] <lotuspsychje> hmm we have a bunch of those malesian trolls again, like this morning
[16:33] <tomreyn> leftyfb: spanish is not too commonly spoken in indonesia ;-P
[16:33] <leftyfb> I only copied sorry. Got a lot going on all at the same time over here
[16:33] <tomreyn> just nagging, sorry
[16:51] <nacc> leftyfb: tbh, i agree with you
[16:57] <leftyfb> it doesn't help that cihhan is all over the place and loves to just make changes on their own
[16:58] <nacc> right
[16:58] <nacc> too much power :)
[19:48] <pragmaticenigma> Have such a hard time understanding why someone finds it funny to cuss in a chat room
[19:49] <oerheks> master of the keyboard, payed by dad & mum
[19:49] <nacc> maybe they are 7
[19:50] <nacc> curse words are generally funny to 7 year olds
[19:50] <nacc> also defying authority
[19:51] <pragmaticenigma> I've seen 30 something think their being devious for cussing... I see it as lowering my belief they're educated beyond a first grade level
[19:51] <nacc> heh
[19:52] <oerheks> some drop that attitude and hang around to find civil talk.
[19:53] <leftyfb> I know of someone in their 40's who still trolls to this day. Just got booted from a linux channel on another network after giving them "Another chance" for the 50th time.
[19:54] <leftyfb> age has little to do with it
[20:05] <JimBuntu> I have known people in their 40s and beyond that trolled. I never did understand HOW they got joy from it
[20:09] <pragmaticenigma> It's like when you were a kid and got away with sneaking cookies when you though Mom/Dad wasn't looking. The rush of doing something naughty that you know if someone knew who you were, would call you out on it
[20:10] <pragmaticenigma> The digital realm doesn't carry the same peer pressure as being physcially together in a room. If you start cussing in a large room full of people, everyone will look at you and know who the potty mouth is... No one knows who you are on the Internet
[21:00] <nacc> what i want to say in #ubuntu
[21:00] <nacc> niekniek: "it feels like that's such a basic question, that perhaps setting a bridged network is not really in your best interest"
[21:04] <daftykins> ooh bridges eh :)