 Yes, they are
 The problem happens both with the proprietary and the open source drivers
[07:25] <anggitau2> hi
[07:37] <user|60087> I can't update any application
[09:46] <viewer|660> hello
[09:58] <kt529> Hi everybody .... I upgrade from 17.10 64bit to 18.04 64bit on Thinkpad Yoga X1 and the battery life halved .... done a bit too much googling and I am more confused than before .... anyone who can help?
[10:24] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[10:42] <eeos> hi! I have upgraded from 17.10 64bit to 18.04 64bit LTS, and my battery life has halved
[10:44] <eeos> I have done my fair amount of google research and I have not found any help
[10:44] <eeos> anyone who can help?
[10:45] <diogenes_> halved?
[11:11] <eeos> diogenes_: yep!
[11:12] <eeos> diogenes_: around that of course, is not s if I have measured at the second ....
[12:02] <viewer|21085> hi guys
[12:07] <numix77> Hello. I've just installed Kubuntu on an old Mac, replacing an install of Ubuntu 16.04 LTS, on which I had managed to replace the desktop with KDE. Because I was having difficulties getting software to appear in the Applications start-up, I decided to go for a fresh install of Kubuntu itself. All good so far, though I have a problem. I was running
[12:07] <numix77> Scrivener for linux absolutely fine in both Ubuntu and Ubuntu/KDE (plasma), but now cannot get scrivener to run. I have downloaded packages etc. When I try to run it, the icon appears for a moment, then disappears. Any ideas? I appreciate this may not be the right place to ask this question (apologies) - please direct me to correct forum if so. Tha
[12:07] <numix77> nks! Numix.
[13:51] <alexandre9099> hi, i got kde neon (not really kubuntu, but AFAIK it is *similar* ;) ) and the hdmi sound is not working, i can't find the adapter on pavucontrol
[14:31] <BluesKaj> alexandre9099, first, open system settings>multimedia>audio&video>device preference tab, then choose  your hdmi device from the list and click the  test button, then choose apply. Then check the audio hardware setup tab to see if your hdmi device is listed in the drop down
[14:33] <alexandre9099> the hdmi devices are there, but greyed out
[14:33] <alexandre9099> i can't select to test
[14:34] <BluesKaj> is your soundcard an onboard or pci ?
[14:34] <alexandre9099> awkward, if i select the stereo hdmi output on profile inside audio hardware configuration tab, the audio goes to the tv
[14:35] <alexandre9099> i have no idea, it is a laptop, maybe onboard
[14:36] <alexandre9099> (the things name are roughly translated, i have the system in portuguese)
[14:38] <alexandre9099> but on pavucontrol i can't choose between each of the *devices*
[14:39] <BluesKaj> ok, then it's onboard, which audio chip ? Run sudo lshw -C sound in the terminal and look for the "configuration" line. That shows the audio driver
[14:41] <alexandre9099> snd_hda_intel latency=0
[14:41] <alexandre9099> product is 7 series/C210 series chipset family high definition audio controller
[14:42] <BluesKaj> ok run sudo modprobe snd-hda-intel , that should load the driver, then you will need to reboot ...there will be no output from the command if the driver loads properly
[14:43] <BluesKaj> alexandre9099, also, you might need to check alsamixer to make sure the automute is disabled
[14:45] <alexandre9099> auto mute is enabled, should i disable it?
[14:45] <BluesKaj> yes
[14:46] <BluesKaj> ok, so the hdmi is connected to the tv ?
[14:46] <alexandre9099> for example in my laptop i got two "sound boards", in the laptop that i'm talking it only shows one with hdmi on it's profile (so on my laptop i can change the device and have some applications on laptop speakers and some on tv)
[14:46] <alexandre9099> yes it is
[14:48] <alexandre9099> not sure if related, i think i'm using nouveau on that laptop
[14:50] <BluesKaj> hdmi has an audio return to the connected device (your laptop ).Is the tv sound coming through your laptop speakers?
[14:52] <BluesKaj> you may need to change that on your tv audio settings if that's the case
[14:52] <BluesKaj> it's known as "arc" in english
[14:53] <alexandre9099> what you mean? if i change the profile (on the audio adapter) it goes to the tv (discovered that on the settings page you talked about), but i was looking for something similar to my laptop, with two adapters so i could split audio from one application to tv and others to laptop's speakers
[14:53] <alexandre9099> let me take a screenshoot
[14:54] <alexandre9099> my laptop has this https://i.imgur.com/ePu1xWo.png
[14:58] <alexandre9099> the laptop i'm looking at has this : https://i.snag.gy/nGF2Tf.jpg
[15:00] <BluesKaj> yes, you need to change the profile to the analog audio, hdmi carries the audio from your laptop to the tv in digital form. I think if you choose the analog your tv will still receive the digital and the analog will play back on the laptop as well
[15:08] <alexandre9099> IIRC i had to choose HDMI digital to use on hdmi, then analog for the speakers
[15:09] <alexandre9099> the computer i'm looking at does not allow me to do this: https://i.imgur.com/GhRSDt0.png (print from my laptop, i can choose, hdmi for kodi and speakers on firefox, for example)
[15:09] <alexandre9099> (lets assume that my laptop is laptop B and the laptop i'm looking at is laptop A :D)
[15:10] <alexandre9099> i'm doing a system upgrade on A, i haven't upgraded in a while
[15:11] <BluesKaj> you don't have 2 soundboards, you 2 different forms od audio from the same source, let me be clear on that
[15:12] <BluesKaj> od=of
[15:13] <alexandre9099> on laptop B i got two multimedia devices if i do the "lshw -C sound" with different pci addresses :)
[15:13] <alexandre9099> both from intel
[15:14] <alexandre9099> "Wildcat Point-LP High Definition Audio Controller" and  "Broadwell-U Audio Controller"
[15:14] <BluesKaj> suddenly now you0're talking about 2 laptops
[15:15] <alexandre9099> XD i'm comparing my laptop (B) to the laptop i'm looking at (A), i am expecting B's behaviour on A ;) (not sure if possible)
[15:17] <BluesKaj> well, what behaviour is that?
[15:18] <alexandre9099> being able to select individually to which output i want a program to go https://i.imgur.com/GhRSDt0.png (this is on my laptop, B)
[15:20] <BluesKaj> which program?
[15:21] <alexandre9099> pavucontrol
[15:22] <alexandre9099> here is the settings panel you talked earlier on laptop B https://i.imgur.com/yBNRPL4.png
[15:22] <alexandre9099> it shows two boards
[15:23] <alexandre9099> on laptop A https://i.snag.gy/BAglQK.jpg
[15:23] <alexandre9099> (the same panel)
[15:24] <BluesKaj> those are 2 outputs from the same source, not 2 boards, one output is analog the other is digital , the but the source is the same
[15:25] <alexandre9099> on laptop B, inside audio hardware setup tab it shows me two sound cards (both with same name), on A it only shows one
[15:27] <BluesKaj> it's ony one soundcard
[15:29] <alexandre9099> (on B) with two separated pci addresses?
[15:30] <alexandre9099> (A is still upgrading, oh, how i love SSDs :D)
[15:30] <obert_> alexandre9099: you should try M.2 then
[15:31] <alexandre9099> i mean, A has an HDD, slow AF, B has a SSD, super fast, and my desktop has M.2 NVME ssd, blazing fast XD
[15:32] <obert_> oh
[15:35] <BluesKaj> I use a desktop with MSI 370 pro board and a samsung evo ssd. The pc is connected to an audio receiver with all hdmi ins and outs for audio and video to my tv which i also use as a monitor , a basic HT setup actually
[15:37] <BluesKaj> cpu is an i5 ..no fancy sound or gpu cards since the board's audio and video are good enough for my needs
[15:50] <alexandre9099> *still upgrading* geez, this is going to take a long while, i remember that i had a similar problem on laptop B(no separated hdmi output), but i don't remember how i solved
[16:00] <alexandre9099> hmm "update-initramfs: Generating /boot/initrd.img-4.4.0-119-generic" seems to be stuck, what can i do? can i ctrl-c apt upgrade?
[16:08] <alexandre9099> anyone?
[16:18] <alket> hi guys, I want to disable the built-in audio card, since it never really worked for me in last 4 years and kubuntu always hops back to it whenever a music stops or sometimes a windows changes https://imgur.com/a/GIBOdsF , please if you need more info, let me know, thanks in advance
[16:18] <alexandre9099> .........
[16:18] <alexandre9099> (ups, cat went on the keyboard XD)
 @alexandre9099, Still need assistance?
[17:02] <alexandre9099> DarinMiller, it seems like the screen froze, i clicked the power button and it shutdown
[17:02] <alexandre9099> but now i got like a blocky cursor :/
[17:04] <alexandre9099> there is a cursor and a square arround it, like this https://i.imgur.com/KdoV4xU.png
[17:54] <eeos> hi everybody, after upgrading from 17.10 to 18.04 (64bi) the battery of my Thinkoad Yoga X1 Carbon last around half of what it used to be
[17:54] <eeos> I have done google research to no avail
[17:54] <eeos> anyone who can help?
[18:41] <rschalch> looks like plasma 5.13 is out
[18:41] <anto79> ciao a tutti
[18:41] <anto79> !list
[18:41] <anto79> sorry
[18:42] <rschalch> my mistake, 5.12.6
[18:42] <rschalch> :(