[00:00] <gigirock> Client: HexChat 2.14.1 • OS: Ubuntu "bionic" 18.04 • CPU: Intel(R) Core(TM) i3-6100 CPU @ 3.70GHz (800MHz) • Memory: Physical: 7,6 GiB Total (6,3 GiB Free) Swap: 7,8 GiB Total (7,8 GiB Free) • Storage: 152,8 GB / 181,8 GB (29,0 GB Free) • VGA: NVIDIA Corporation GP107 [GeForce GTX 1050 Ti] @ Intel Corporation Skylake Host Bridge/DRAM Registers • Uptime: 4m 5s
[00:00] <leftyfb> gigirock: please don't
[00:01] <gigirock> leftyfb, is only the proof 'm ubuntu
[00:04] <RoadRunner> How to configure pidgin for voice? Pulse Audio detects webcam and is showing sound reception from its mic but pidgin's mic test is not showing a changing sound level. Changing Pidgin's audio output and input plugins to Pulse Audio doesn't make any difference. Device selection just showing one option "default" (not detecting specific devices?)
[00:05] <RoadRunner> using latest (2.13.0) compiled for 16.04
[00:05] <gigirock> RoadRunner, i can't figure out what audio u need for pigdin
[00:06] <RoadRunner> gigirock: please explain
[00:07] <RoadRunner> what do you mean what audio?
[00:07] <gigirock> RoadRunner, what chat u want to use with audio mic in pigdin ?
[00:09] <RoadRunner> gigirock: you right click on chosen budy and select Audio call (was that your question?)
[00:09] <hggdh> gigirock: please speak plain and correct English. Not all here -- in fact, most -- are native speakers
[00:10] <adam_> anyone here
[00:10] <adam_> ?
[00:10] <leftyfb> RoadRunner: I think he was asking which protocol are you trying to use with pidgin, not that it matters.
[00:10] <leftyfb> !ask | adam_
[00:11] <adam_> whats the best or most popular game in linux sofware?
[00:12] <leftyfb> adam_: that's not a support question. Try #ubuntu-offtopic
[00:12] <adam_> ok
[00:12] <RoadRunner> leftyfb: gigirock: the protocol I believe should work most predictably for voice/video under pidgin is xmpp
[00:12] <oerheks> please notice > https://freenode.net/news/security-update-rpa
[00:17] <RoadRunner> leftyfb: as far as my original question is concerned, any ideas?
[00:18] <gigirock> RoadRunner, never used pigdin in my life,.,,,,anyway check .pigdin in your home dir
[00:18] <RoadRunner> gigirock: check for what?
[00:22] <gigirock> RoadRunner, check if there are some audio setup there.....
[00:22] <gigirock> RoadRunner, in alsamixer you have 'voice' ?
[00:23] <gigirock> RoadRunner, i mean in alsamixer you can control that input mic.......
[00:24] <gigirock> anyway i'm too old to stay, i will be in bed in some seconds
[00:24] <RoadRunner> gigirock: what's alsamixer? as far as I know I only have Pulse Audio for sound control
[00:24] <gigirock> a kiss for all of you .......
[00:24] <gigirock> RoadRunner, try alsamixer from terminal
[00:25] <RoadRunner> is alsamixer a part of ubuntu distro? I am under xubuntu...
[00:25] <gigirock> !info alsamixer
[00:27] <gigirock> !info gnome-alsamixer
[00:27] <gigirock> we are gnome now RoadRunner
[00:27] <gigirock> bye
[00:39] <Randolf> Is anyone running JavaFX with OpenJDK 10 on Ubuntu Linux 18.04 LTS?  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openjdk-9/+bug/1721852
[00:40] <RoadRunner> !info alsamixer
[01:07] <kubast2> How can I check compression ratios on btrfs ?
[01:09] <DynV> Can some1 help me with http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2395264 ?
[01:10] <kubast2> got it
[01:10] <kubast2> run compsize as root
[01:10] <DynV> title: [ubuntu] Touchpad seem to track finger after leaving surface
[01:12] <Randolf> DynV:  Do you mean that the mouse pointer is still tracking your finger's movement even when you're not physically touching the pad?
[01:13] <DynV> yes
[01:13] <Randolf> If so, it may be a hardware issue -- my laptop was Windows 10 and it did this.  Now that I switched to Ubuntu Linux 18.04 LTS (just yesterday after Windows 10 crashed and burned horribly), I still notice this.
[01:13] <Randolf> But after your finger is far enough away, the tracking stops.
[01:14] <DynV> if I pay attention it ends up around where I left it, if I don'T it ends up a good distance from where I listed my finger.
[01:14] <eyeoh> did it do it from inside Win10 too Randolf?
[01:14] <DynV> lifted*
[01:14] <Randolf> eyeoh:  This effect is the same in Windows 10 and in Ubuntu 18.04.
[01:14] <eyeoh> that's a bit lame
[01:14] <Randolf> At least on this laptop.
[01:15] <Randolf> eyeoh:  That's why I suspect it's a hardware issue.
[01:15] <Randolf> DynV:  What kind of laptop do you have?  I'm assuming you're using a laptop.  I'm using an HP laptop.
[01:15] <DynV> is there a program that could stop or lower the amount of tracking after the finger leave the surface?
[01:16] <Randolf> DynV:  Hmm, sensitivity setting?
[01:16] <eyeoh> It sounds related to https://github.com/cb22/macbook12-spi-driver/issues/10 - or just linux touchpad drivers in general
[01:16] <DynV> please see the URL for the laptop kind
[01:16] <Randolf> I see Touchpad Speed in the options, but not Touchpad Sensitivity.
[01:17] <Randolf> DynV:  I've noticed this effect on a few other brands over the years, now that I'm thinking about this.
[01:18] <eyeoh> I think it's a combination of hardware and linux touchpad drivers
[01:18] <eyeoh> clearly hardware if it happens in windows too
[01:18] <DynV> it does not do that on the latest Lubunto on a D610.
[01:18] <eyeoh> hmm
[01:18] <DynV> Lubuntu*
[01:19] <Randolf> The setting that I absolutely and scathingly hate is tap-to-click.  In Windows it's nearly impossible to turn this off, and it causes no end of problems (particularly in Adobe Photoshop).  Ubuntu is awesome though because disabling this feature is right there with all the other mouse options (which makes sense).
[01:19] <Randolf> DynV:  Maybe Lubunto has a touchpad-sensitivity setting.
[01:19] <eyeoh> DynV: You should update that post to mention that it didn't happen in Lubuntu <version>
[01:19] <DynV> Latitude D610*
[01:20] <eyeoh> also what is with ubuntu forum's wide formatting - so hard to read
[01:20] <DynV> may it has a touchpad-sensitivity setting but I didn't touch it.
[01:20] <DynV> so it's automatic or doesn'T have one.
[01:20] <DynV> I think
[01:20] <eyeoh> gnome does hide a lot
[01:20] <Randolf> DynV:  Sure, but with the sensitivity setting's default at a more rational value.
[01:21] <eyeoh> can you test if you get the same issue in the live boot of lubuntu 18.04 and xubuntu 18.04?
[01:21] <DynV> could be
[01:21] <eyeoh> Randolf: tap to click even on mac is bad
[01:21] <eyeoh> I have push only
[01:22] <eyeoh> and even then with the forcetouch trackpad, it misfires sometimes
[01:22] <DynV> I'd need to d/l lubuntu or xubuntu as Latitude D610 is 32 bit.
[01:22] <DynV> but I'll try
[01:22] <eyeoh> I think you'll have to try because it'd be faster than waiting to see if someone is expert enough to figure it out remotely
[01:23] <eyeoh> spot the difference, experiment, etc
[01:23] <eyeoh> lubuntu definitely still comes in 32-bit; I'm surprised you found a 32-bit ubuntu
[01:23] <DynV> I think I'll buy a mini-mouse and always leave it in my bag
[01:23] <eyeoh> I had the impression it stopped
[01:24] <eyeoh> hmm yeah I think lots of non-mac laptop users use an external mouse...
[01:24] <DynV> in case  Iforget my regular one
[01:24] <eyeoh> except for thinkpad users who use the trackpoint
[01:24] <eyeoh> apple does some wizardry with their trackpad drivers - I can see that now
[01:24] <Randolf> I'm a bit sad that Ubuntu 18.04 is not available in 32-bit mode.  But, oh well, it's okay.
[01:24] <eyeoh> it's probably along the lines of how touchscreen scroll interacts
[01:25] <eyeoh> the 32-bit Pentium M laptop I have wouldn't be able to handle gnome...
[01:25] <eyeoh> so lubuntu is just as well
[01:25] <Randolf> eyeoh:  I had a Mac many years ago, and it was a good machine, but I found the interface unintuitive and also very restrictive.
[01:25] <eyeoh> 1GB RAM, 2GHz Pentium M (single core?)
[01:25] <eyeoh> Randolf: I really dislike macOS's interface
[01:26] <eyeoh> I know how to use it and use it faster than most, but it's still irritating
[01:26] <eyeoh> Go to a conference and look at how speakers swipe around macOS; they're totally lost
[01:26] <eyeoh> but I can see why it's popular
[01:26] <Randolf> eyeoh:  One of the big complaints I have about MacOS stuff is that there's no "Apply" or "Save" button on most dialogues -- the use has to use the "X" in the top-right corner to save changes, which is unintuitive because an "X" is normally associated with cancelling something.
[01:26] <eyeoh> it's all very hidden yep
[01:27] <eyeoh> there's not even an alt underline - e.g., right click in safari or firefox and press a letter; you have no idea which letter corresponds to which item.
[01:27] <eyeoh> No way to bring up alt-underlines
[01:27] <Randolf> That's awful.
[01:27] <eyeoh> other obscurities like the file open dialog hides hidden files - the only way to bring them up is cmd-shift-G and that isn't documented
[01:28] <eyeoh> another one not documented is in finder, cmd-. shows/hides hidden files
[01:28] <eyeoh> no, it's command-*shift*-.
[01:28] <Randolf> Apple has a culture of "Think Different," "Park Different," etc.  https://everything2.com/title/Park+Different
[01:29] <eyeoh> terrible lag to toggle too; you can't hit it repeatedly to toggle quickly
[01:29] <eyeoh> you have to wait
[01:29] <Randolf> I think it looks nice because they do well with presenting white colours for borders and backgrounds.  On Windows everything is depressingly grey in that respect.
[01:30] <eyeoh> yeah I think parking like a _ is indefensible
[01:30] <eyeoh> but eh; I don't choose to drive anyway so I'll let them duke it out
[01:30] <eyeoh> yeah every desktop environment is a travesty right now and has no clue what direction to move in
[01:31] <Randolf> I saw a taxi park in a handicap spot just last week when I came out of the grocery store.  I was going to ask the driver to park elsewhere, but then some lady approached him first and started yelling angrily at him about it.
[01:31] <eyeoh> the installation process for programs is still a mess in windows
[01:31] <eyeoh> and gnome keeps trying to copy macos
[01:31] <Randolf> eyeoh:  There's more than one process.
[01:31] <eyeoh> it's all a mess
[01:31] <zmuggli__> i need help with virtualbox
[01:31] <eyeoh> what up zmuggli__
[01:31] <Randolf> zmuggli__:  What do you need help with within it?
[01:32] <zmuggli__> it's crashing when i try to install win xp iso
[01:33] <Randolf> zmuggli__:  How much RAM did you assign to the VM?  And disk space?
[01:33] <Randolf> zmuggli__:  Also, does your ISO include Service Pack 3?
[01:33] <zmuggli__> it's crashing before the partition select
[01:34]  * Randolf waits for the answers to his questions...
[01:34] <zmuggli__> it's 16MB vid memory, and 512 RAM
[01:34] <Randolf> So those are reasonable.
[01:34] <Randolf> You could try 1,024 MB of RAM.
[01:34] <Randolf> But 512 should be fine.
[01:35] <Randolf> 1,024 will result in a faster installation though.
[01:35] <Randolf> Then you can cut it down later.
[01:35] <Randolf> So, for your ISO, is it Windows XP with Service Pack 3?
[01:35] <zmuggli__> no, will install later
[01:35] <Dalek_Breath> How do I set up my keyring so that it gets unlocked automatically on boot up without needing to log in? I have this machine set up to automatically log me in on boot up, but then I get a prompt to unlock the keyring after boot up which defeats the purpose of having automatic log in.
[01:36] <Randolf> zmuggli__:  Sorry, I mean Service Pack 2.
[01:36] <Randolf> zmuggli__:  I gave up trying to get earlier than SP 2 working because those crash and won't install.
[01:37] <manjaroLXDE> is it possible to boot from sdcard?
[01:37] <zmuggli__> oh, i think that i downloaded the first version, without any service pack
[01:38] <Randolf> Okay.
[01:38] <Randolf> Try to get at least SP2.  If you can get it with SP3 then that will be much better.
[01:39] <zmuggli__> yee, i'll do that
[01:39] <Randolf> Also, try to download from "microsoft.com" and not some other site because there are a lot of modified Windows ISOs made by pirates who like to bundle malicious software into them.
[01:39] <Randolf> Do you have an original CD handy?  If so, you could try installing from that.  VitrtualBox does support that.
[01:40] <zmuggli__> i have an cd with original version but modified by enterprises
[01:41] <Randolf> Okay.  So you might be able to find what you need, here:  https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/details.aspx?id=56485
[01:41] <zmuggli__> but the key can't be used anymore
[01:41] <Randolf> Timebombed?
[01:41] <zmuggli__> yeet
[01:41] <zmuggli__> fucking 10 years :/ such oldschool
[01:41] <Randolf> That's a shame.
[01:42] <zmuggli__> oh, i forgot, i'm using ubuntu mate distro
[01:42] <Randolf> It's bad enough that Microsoft makes their certifications expire.  If Universities did that to Ph.D.'s there would be public mayhem over it.
[01:42] <hggdh> zmuggli__: language, please
[01:42] <zmuggli__> ok, sorry
[01:43]  * Randolf pats zmuggli__ on the back, supportively.
[01:44] <eyeoh> zmuggli__: Does your VirtualBox work with other ISOs?
[01:44] <eyeoh> just to rule out VirtualBox problems
[01:44] <eyeoh> Also, does qemu-kvm work for windows?
[01:44] <Randolf> Getting XP working these days is a royal pain in the neck.  The worst thing about it is trying to download an updated version of Internet Explorer, but Microsoft's web site is no longer compatible at all with older versions of Internet Explorer.
[01:45] <eyeoh> lol
[01:47] <Randolf> eyeoh:  I recently configured my company web site to not use TLS when ancient versions of web browsers are detected.  We're going to add a banner at the top of the page in those instances that cautions the user that they're browsing without TLS/SSL protection, and suggest that they upgrade their systems.
[01:47] <eyeoh> heh damn
[01:47] <Randolf> We also have a download option for newer versions of Internet Explorer there, but it's only for customers.
[01:48] <eyeoh> what still serves up sites for IE though?
[01:48] <eyeoh> are these internal applications that rely on IE?
[01:48] <Randolf> eyeoh:  Oh, our web site looks a little bit broken in most versions of IE.  I don't care though.
[01:48] <Randolf> No.
[01:48] <Randolf> Every web site we develop is tested in Opera, Firefox, and Chrome.  And then we check IE as a last resort and fix whatever we can there.
[01:49] <Randolf> IE is always the retard in the group.
[01:49] <Randolf> Edge isn't any better.
[01:50] <hggdh> folks, let's try and keep on topic. Use #ubuntu-offtopic for this conversation
[01:50]  * Randolf nods agreeably
[01:52] <Randolf> I couldn't get IceChat 9 working under WINE on Ubuntu, so I'm going to switch to HexChat.  I'll be back shortly.
[01:59] <Guest44453> can't access my router from ubuntu.   works fine from my ipad.  both on same network @ 192.168.2.1 .   can curl and get a bit of html, but just get a message about unable to connect from firefox.
[02:05] <doug16k> Guest44453, what do you mean by "@ 192.168.2.1" exactly? the ipad and your ubuntu have different IP addresses, right?
[02:06] <Guest44453> yeah, that is the router ip.
[02:06] <Comstock> i think that is the router ip
[02:06] <Comstock> damn, i'm slow
[02:06] <doug16k> Guest44453, is firefox trying to use a proxy?
[02:09] <Guest44453> no, just check, was set to use system proxy (which i don't think exists), but changed to no proxy, same result
[02:10] <doug16k> Guest44453, try this command, does it print out a bunch of valid looking lines? -> host google.com
[02:11] <Guest44453> yes
[02:12] <doug16k> when you test with curl, is it an https page?
[02:13] <Guest44453> no, and if i add https to my curl command, i get no response
[02:13] <doug16k> is port 443 blocked in your firewall?
[02:14] <Guest44453> firefox adds https to the address, even if i specify http:, or nothing, it always changes it to https
[02:14] <doug16k> sites often force https. try a small/simple site
[02:14] <doug16k> like this -> http://ctyme.com/rbrown.htm
[02:15] <Guest44453> that page loads
[02:15] <doug16k> then ssl pages are blocked. did you customize your firewall settings?
[02:16] <Guest44453> not on my computer.  i just installed ubuntu yesterday and have not changed any firewall settings (i don't even know where they are at this point)
[02:19] <Guest44453> doug16k: is this what i need to make it work: sudo ufw allow 443/tcp
[02:21] <doug16k> what does this say -> sudo ufw status
[02:21] <doug16k> inactive?
[02:21] <Guest44453> Status: inactive
[02:21] <Guest44453> nmap 192.168.2.1 shows 53,80,515 and 9100 open
[02:25] <doug16k> yeah but that is just saying which ports the router is listening on. it should route more than those
[02:26] <randolf> In Ubuntu Linux 18.04 LTS, when I use PgUp and PgDn on the keypad (with NumLock off), these keys don't seem to work.  Is there a setting somewhere I need to change to get them working in various applications?  Thanks.
[02:29] <CoolerZ> i installed flex but apparently that doesn't come with the lfl library
[02:29] <CoolerZ> which package contains it
[02:30] <Guest44453> doug16k, any idea as to how to fix it so i can access the router's configuration?
[02:31] <CoolerZ> oh actually i do have it
[02:31] <doug16k> Guest44453, try http://192.168.2.1   that should bring up the router config page
[02:31] <Guest44453> doug16k, can't, firefox changes it to https as soon as i press enter
[02:33] <CoolerZ> why can't gcc find libfl.so in my /usr/lib/ ?
[02:33] <CoolerZ> its right there
[02:33] <doug16k> Guest44453, you tried rebooting the router already, right?
[02:34] <CoolerZ> i am compiling with gcc lex.yy.c -l lfl
[02:34] <Guest44453> doug16k, no, because it works from other devices.
[02:35] <Guest44453> there's something different about this specific computer / OS that is the problem
[02:35] <CoolerZ> oh wait, its -lfl  not -l lfl
[02:35] <CoolerZ> my bad
[02:36] <doug16k> Guest44453, what does this say -> sudo iptables -L
[02:36] <doug16k> pastebin it
[02:37] <Guest27487> Hey does grub support zstd compressed btrfs ?
[02:38] <Guest27487> or I'm better off creating a seperate /boot partition or compressing /boot with lzo/zlib
[02:38] <Guest27487> ?
[02:38] <Guest44453> doug16k, https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/jrpHHhm7N6/
[02:38] <doug16k> Guest44453, that's allowing everything
[02:39] <Guest44453> stock ubuntu installation, i haven't done anything with iptables
[02:40] <Guest44453> i think it's firefox trying to do some "keep you safe" stuff changing to https automatically.  need to turn that off
[02:41] <doug16k> many sites insist on https, turning that off won't be a solution
[02:45] <Guest44453> just installed chrome.  no problem.  it opens the router config just fine
[02:46] <Guest44453> firefox is the problem
[02:47] <Guest27487> Guest44453, quiet an ancient router you have tbh
[02:48] <Guest27487> albeit yeah firefox on my part just doesn't force it
[03:00] <ubuntu_> so I was looking at https://blog.ubuntu.com/2018/06/22/a-first-look-at-desktop-metrics
[03:00] <ubuntu_> And I gotten to conclussion those are mainlly virtual machines
[03:01] <ubuntu_> Single core(default virtual box setting) 1080p with 4-8 GB of ram
[03:02] <ubuntu_> 2GB being fairlly popular(default value for virtualbox on 8GB ram device)
[03:02] <ubuntu_> or perhaps it was 1GB
[03:02] <ubuntu_> the memory setting is more in your face than cpu core setting in virtualbox
[03:02] <ubuntu_> Thought I might underesitimating
[03:03] <ubuntu_> nah it can't be docker
[03:10] <Alabaster> hey all
[03:11] <Alabaster> weird I set up hexchat on my other PC and I don't see the same people or the same welcme text
[03:12] <eyeoh> bl
[03:12] <eyeoh> use irssi :p
[03:12] <Alabaster> Im sure you guys are just as awesome right??
[03:12] <eyeoh> (no really, if you ever spend time in the command line without gui environments, irssi is great; or weechat I guess)
[03:13] <Alabaster> what is irssi?
[03:13] <Alabaster> or stand for?
[03:13] <eyeoh> it's the pronunciation for irc
[03:13] <eyeoh> in some other language
[03:13] <eyeoh> i rs si
[03:13] <Alabaster> ahhh
[03:13] <eyeoh> hehe
[03:13] <eyeoh> Apparently the cool kids like WeeChat now but I can't get over the name and already know irssi okay so have stayed
[03:14] <Alabaster> eyeoh have you had trouble making a usb wifi adapter work even after installing the drivers?
[03:14] <eyeoh> no I haven't
[03:15] <eyeoh> do you know if the drivers have installed correctly?
[03:15] <Alabaster> I dunno I went into freenode, but perhaps forgot to install whatever irc plug in for this is
[03:15] <Alabaster> actually I don't...
[03:15] <Alabaster> see if I do lsusb it shows the device is there though
[03:15] <eyeoh> What process did you use to install?
[03:16] <Alabaster> apt
[03:16] <eyeoh> I did install a usb wifi adapter for my raspberry pi once but I just followed instructions for a set device
[03:16] <Alabaster> apt install realtek-rtl88xxau.dkms
[03:16] <eyeoh> I got this exact adapter (Edimax) and followed these instructions: https://raspberrypihq.com/how-to-add-wifi-to-the-raspberry-pi/
[03:17] <eyeoh> maybe there might be something similar there for you
[03:17] <Alabaster> its werid my headers all show differently too maybe thats the prob
[03:18] <Alabaster> I guess your saying you dont know the cli that well though
[03:19] <Alabaster> says linux headers 4.15.0 is not installed
[03:19] <eyeoh> me? it's all relative
[03:19] <Sir_Andrei> Hi
[03:19] <eyeoh> what does uname -r say?
[03:19] <Alabaster> but if I do apt cache search it says 4.16.0
[03:20] <Alabaster> uname -r one sec
[03:20] <Sir_Andrei> People, I've installed Lubuntu 18.04 on my computer (alongside with Windows 10). I'd put GRUB on /dev/sda and I've made biosgrub partition (1Gb size).
[03:20] <Alabaster> 4.15.0-kali2-amd64
[03:20] <Sir_Andrei> I've rebooted my computer..., but when it starts it appear "grub>"
[03:20] <Sir_Andrei> I mean, not GRUB menu, but GRUB shell.
[03:21] <Sir_Andrei> What could be wrong?
[03:21] <Alabaster> I dont think many are awake Sir_andrei
[03:22] <Alabaster> one sec brb eyeoh
[03:22] <Sir_Andrei> So..., what hour do u recommend to do this kind of questions?
[03:22] <Sir_Andrei> to ask*
[03:23] <doug16k> what time is it on Earth though?
[03:23] <Sir_Andrei> I'm UTC -3 c:
[03:23] <CoolerZ> hey
[03:24] <CoolerZ> is pulse the bluetooth daemon or something?
[03:24] <Alabaster> from my experience everything dies on the other chat at 11-12
[03:24] <CoolerZ> audiosettings thingy?
[03:24] <doug16k> sounds like pulseaudio
[03:24] <doug16k> no pun intended
[03:24] <CoolerZ> no i am having issues with bluetooth
[03:24] <Sir_Andrei> What issues do u have?
[03:24] <Sir_Andrei> I've working with bluetooth weeks ago.
[03:24] <CoolerZ> i removed a device from the list of known devices
[03:25] <CoolerZ> and now it never shows up anymore
[03:25] <CoolerZ> i think it got blacklisted
[03:25] <CoolerZ> this post on stackoverflow https://askubuntu.com/questions/173969/recover-removed-bluetooth-sound-device
[03:25] <Alabaster> in fact I guess I am out because I don't think I'm gonna find much
[03:25] <eyeoh> Sir_Andrei: any time but I don't think I can help you cause I'm bad with partitions and might blow things up
[03:25] <CoolerZ> suggests removing everything in the .pulse folder
[03:25] <Internet> Hi y’all
[03:26] <Internet> Can you guys see my messages
[03:26] <CoolerZ> i don't have a ~/.pulse folder but there is a ~/.config/pulse/
[03:26] <CoolerZ> Internet, yes
[03:26] <Internet> Ok
[03:26] <Alabaster> if anyone knows anything about why a wifi adapter would show up listed but not working lemme know
[03:26] <eyeoh> Alabaster: which kernel veresion?
[03:26] <Alabaster> yes internet
[03:26] <eyeoh> oh 4.15
[03:26] <Alabaster> eyeoh ...
[03:27] <Alabaster> uname -r says 4.15.0-kali2-amd64 for some reason
[03:27] <CoolerZ> should i delete everything in ~/.config/pulse?
[03:27] <Alabaster> now keep in mind I can't reboot after update/upgrade is that a problem?
[03:27] <lotuspsychje> !behelpful | eyeoh
[03:27] <Alabaster> im doing live w/o persistence
[03:28] <Alabaster> ubuottu he was making a joke jeebus christofferson
[03:28] <eyeoh> it's okay
[03:28] <eyeoh> I'll try and be helpful
[03:28] <CoolerZ> Sir_Andrei, ?
[03:28] <CoolerZ> is pulse related to bluetooth?
[03:28] <CoolerZ> is it ok to delete everything in ~/.config/pulse?
[03:29] <CoolerZ> ~/.config/pulse has 8 files including a file called cookie , but i don't see a client.conf file
[03:29] <eyeoh> CoolerZ: the ~/.config folder usually only has configuration files - if you want, you can just move the pulse one out to somewhere else (or even rename it) to test
[03:29] <eyeoh> Alabaster: I'm not really sure what the latest kernel for kali should be
[03:30] <CoolerZ> eyeoh, but will that break things?
[03:30] <downloadissues> Would anyone be willing to help me out with some download issues I'm having? Downloads will go for about 50 MB and then just stop.
[03:30] <CoolerZ> this is ubuntu 18.04 btw
[03:30] <CoolerZ> using kde plasma desktop
[03:30] <Alabaster> when you do an apt-get update or upgrade do you have to reboot Linux?
[03:30] <eyeoh> Alabaster: but if you're on 4.15.0 and the thing says kernel headers 4.15.0 isn't installed; maybe try apt install kernel-headers?
[03:31] <eyeoh> And yes, after updating to a new kernel, reboot.
[03:31] <downloadissues> I'm tearing my hair out just to solve this issue.
[03:32] <CoolerZ> eyeoh, that worked, i moved the pulse folder to desktop and now the headphones showed up in the list when i select add device
[03:32] <eyeoh> CoolerZ: nice!
[03:33] <CoolerZ> why is pulseaudio messing with bluetooth?
[03:33] <CoolerZ> is it the bluetooth management app?
[03:33] <Alabaster> dammit this is live without persistence
[03:33] <Alabaster> oh well I will make the USB persistence
[03:33] <eyeoh> I think pulse does a lot - even a change in monitor setups will change my audio settings.
[03:33] <Sir_Andrei> I'm back
[03:34] <downloadissues> pulse is really finnicky
[03:34] <Sir_Andrei> Do u have pulseaudio-module-bluetooth?
[03:34] <guanenxi> hello
[03:34] <guanenxi> how about it
[03:35] <guanenxi> the first time
[03:35] <lotuspsychje> guanenxi: this channel is for ubuntu questions only
[03:36] <guanenxi> Could I ask question about ubuntu?
[03:37] <downloadissues> Anyone willing to help me solve an internet puzzle?
[03:37] <lotuspsychje> downloadissues: is it related to ubuntu?
[03:37] <downloadissues> yes
[03:37] <downloadissues> using lubuntu 16.04
[03:37] <lotuspsychje> !details | downloadissues
[03:38] <downloadissues> When I download a file over WiFi, it works fine for 50 MB, then stops suddenly. I thought at first it might be a DNS issue, but I checked and that wasn
[03:38] <downloadissues> t the case
[03:39] <eyeoh> It probably won't be a DNS issue cause that's just for finding out the address initially, as far as I understand.
[03:39] <downloadissues> At first it was an issue with Steam.
[03:39] <eyeoh> Have you tested it with something that works?
[03:39] <eyeoh> including another operating system or computer?
[03:40] <downloadissues> I looked it up, and apparently it was a symtom of DNS issues, so I set up a DNS cache. But the issue persists with Firefox downloads, and apt package downloads.
[03:40] <downloadissues> It's not a network problem, and it's fine with other computers on the network.
[03:40] <eyeoh> is there a scenario where it does work?
[03:40] <eyeoh> what about the same computer under a different set-up?
[03:40] <downloadissues> It only works when I'm hooked up via Ethernet.
[03:41] <eyeoh> have you used wget before?
[03:41] <downloadissues> No
[03:42] <eyeoh> Well if you open up Terminal, and type wget <address> (of something large, like a linux iso), that'll start downloading and give you some simple info
[03:42] <eyeoh> press ctrl-c to stop it.
[03:43] <downloadissues> I'll be right back while that downloads for a bit.
[03:43] <eyeoh> It might also be good to know what wifi adapter you have and whether others have had issues with that specific type
[03:43] <Tecan> ubuntu 18.04 is the first version of ubuntu to always be using alot of cpu
[03:44] <Tecan> laptop fan is constantly going because xorg is being a pig
[03:45] <downloadissues> What information do you want from the terminal?
[03:46] <eyeoh> just look at it and see if it hits 50MB
[03:46] <downloadissues> The USB WiFi adapter is a "Belkin Components F7D2101 802.11n Surf & Share Wireless Adapter v1000 [Realtek RTL8192SU]"
[03:46] <eyeoh> See if you notice any behaviour that's different to the issue you have
[03:46] <downloadissues> I'll do it again, but let it go till it stops.
[03:46] <downloadissues> When the download stops, it takes my whole connection down with it, however
[03:47] <eyeoh> I'm probably not going to know the answer but might help to narrow down what works and what doesn't
[03:47] <downloadissues> I'll come back when that happens
[03:47] <eyeoh> What connection speed?
[03:47] <downloadissues> It usually downloads at 500-1500 KB/s
[03:47] <lotuspsychje> Tecan: gnome is known for bigger recource then unity
[03:48] <lotuspsychje> Tecan: devs are working at this moment to lighter gnome for a better 18.04.1 feeling
[03:48] <downloadissues> What will happen is that it goes from 800 KB/s to 0 KB/s instantly.
[03:49] <Tecan> im using mate
[03:49] <Tecan> because of its low footprint
[03:50] <lotuspsychje> Tecan: is it on mate you have high cpu?
[03:51] <Tecan> htop is showing a 22% usage on xorg
[03:51] <Tecan> always
[03:51] <Tecan> one instance is one is only using 3%
[03:51] <Tecan> not sure why there are 2 running
[03:52] <lotuspsychje> Tecan: on mate?
[03:52] <Tecan> sudo htop shows 2 running
[03:52] <lotuspsychje> Tecan: have you tryed a minimal install yet?
[03:53] <Tecan> brb i'll try another wm
[03:53] <downloadissues_> I'm back
[03:53]  * Tecan >>> Auto-op est suspendu...
[03:53] <downloadissues_> The download took down my whole connection
[03:53] <downloadissues_> Went from 600KB/s to 0KB/s instantly
[03:54] <eyeoh> have you looked up that model number + linux in search?
[03:54] <eyeoh> There seem to be a few results but I don't know if it'd help or not.
[03:54] <eyeoh> https://duckduckgo.com/?q=Belkin+Components+F7D2101+802.11n+linux&t=ffab&atb=v116-7&ia=web
[03:54] <downloadissues_> Here's what the wget terminal output looked like
[03:54] <downloadissues_> https://pastebin.com/njBukjrj
[03:54] <eyeoh> Cause I'd be tempted to just try a different adapter, either borrow or bought
[03:55] <eyeoh> guessing, but it's almost like it's overheating itself or something
[03:55] <eyeoh> I don't know why it'd work and then stop if it isn't a hardware issue.
[03:56] <downloadissues_> aha
[03:56] <eyeoh> find something?
[03:56] <downloadissues_> overheating may be the issue
[03:56] <lotuspsychje> eyeoh: try using tab to help users
[03:56] <lotuspsychje> !tab | eyeoh
[03:57] <downloadissues_> it's at the back of the computer, right by the exhaust
[03:57] <downloadissues_> it might be overheating
[03:57] <downloadissues_> i'm on a 11 year old dell precision 490, and that thing outputs more heat than a space heater
[03:57] <downloadissues_> i'll move it to a front port and try again
[03:58] <eyeoh> lotuspsychje: Am I doing something wrong?
[03:58] <lotuspsychje> eyeoh: no mate, im trying to make it better support for you
[03:59] <lotuspsychje> eyeoh: its easier, when supporting to talk to their nicknames
[03:59] <eyeoh> lotuspsychje: ok.
[03:59] <neoncontrails> Recent convert from macOS here. Is there an Ubuntu equivalent of the 'mdworker' daemon that indexes the harddrive for fast retrieval in Spotlight?
[04:00] <downloadissues> i moved it to a front port, but download speeds are abysmal
[04:00] <eyeoh> downloadissues: maybe put a fan on it too to see if that makes an improvement
[04:00] <downloadissues> 30 KB/s abysmal
[04:00] <downloadissues> I think these ports are connected to a usb hub or something
[04:00] <eyeoh> downloadissues: or even, attach it to a USB hub / cable to get it further away from the laptop
[04:01] <downloadissues> It's kicking up
[04:01] <downloadissues> 800 KB/s
[04:01] <downloadissues> 1.67 MB/s
[04:01] <eyeoh> downloadissues: And then keep using wget as a benchmark because it gives you numbers, etc.
[04:02] <Sir_Andrei> Well, I've got how to boot from GRUB shell.
[04:02] <Sir_Andrei> But now I have another problem, and in internet answers are confusing.
[04:02] <Sir_Andrei> No init found. Try passing init= bootarg
[04:02] <Sir_Andrei> A lot of people reports this error asociated with power cutoffs.
[04:02] <Sir_Andrei> But in my case it is now a power cutoff the problem.
[04:04] <eyeoh> downloadissues: If all of this leads to an improvement, and it's overheating that's causing an issue - another workaround (should you need to download something large) might be to limit the rate of the download, wget can do that too (type man wget and type /limit<enter> to search down to that section of the manual)
[04:04] <downloadissues_> It's odd.
[04:04] <downloadissues_> I starts of OK, doing well at 30-150 KB/s
[04:04] <downloadissues_> then it rockets up to the MB/s level speeds and just stops
[04:05] <eyeoh> downloadissues: it'd be interesting to see if you can trickle a download at a slower speed and see how far that gets.
[04:09] <Sir_Andrei> I'm starting to think it could be my USB stick image.
[04:09] <Sir_Andrei> I've done it with Unetbootin.
[04:09] <Sir_Andrei> It could be that?
[04:09] <downloadissues_> I'm about to do wget -d
[04:09] <downloadissues_> I'll put the info in a pastebin later
[04:11] <eyeoh> downloadissues_: I personally probably wouldn't understand it; I only know how to rule things out - i.e., see if a slower download survives any better
[04:12] <Tecan> turns out its mate using all the resources up
[04:12] <eyeoh> downloadissues_: so something like wget --limit-rate=50k <address>
[04:12] <Tecan> xorg runs fine with gnome and gnome classic
[04:13] <Tecan> mate uses 25-30% cpu
[04:13] <Tecan> maybe cinnamon works good
[04:13] <eyeoh> downloadissues_: either way I'd be inclined to try a different wifi adapter - perhaps one that's known to have good linux support (not saying your one doesn't; I just don't know enough about it)
[04:15] <eyeoh> Sir_Andrei: if your usb stick booted fine, I wouldn't think that's the problem
[04:19] <Sir_Andrei> eyeoh, it booted fine, yes.
[04:32] <JackLau> irssi autolog is set on ,but log dir is empty
[06:09] <jak2000> https://paste.debian.net/1031400/   strange fdisk -l  strange result of fdisk ?
[06:10] <ppf> what's strange
[06:12] <jak2000> much lines
[06:12] <jak2000> wich partition have sree space?
[06:12] <jak2000> *free
[06:14] <ppf> df -h
[06:14] <tomreyn> all the unpartitioned ram disks
[06:14] <jak2000> ppf see line 1
[06:15] <ppf> indeed
[06:15] <jak2000> this: /dev/dm-0        95G   34G   56G  38% / wich is sda1 or?
[06:15] <jak2000> how to know
[06:17] <tomreyn> can you show lsblk, this might be more readable
[06:20] <jak2000> i want add more space to / if ossible or to /var
[06:20] <jak2000> https://paste.debian.net/1031401/
[06:26] <tomreyn> jak2000: you'd need to either add more PVs to the existing VG which pve-root is based on (sdb to sdd are not currently in use and thus available for it), then resize the pve-root LV and the filesystem on it, or move the data currently on pve-root (which is currently / ) to a new, larger  file system, to be created on one of the unpartitioned storages (or a anoither strore not currently connected).
[06:27] <tomreyn> you dont currentl yhave a separate /var partition, so creating a separate /var on one of the unused disks could be another otion.
[06:27] <tomreyn> is pve-data_tdata a thin provisioning pool?
[06:27] <jak2020> tomreyn can you guide me please
[06:28] <tomreyn> can you show pvs, vgs, lvs
[06:28] <tomreyn> do you have backups?
[06:29] <jak2020> havent backups
[06:29] <tomreyn> get some, and ask again. this time only on the one channel which is about your OS.
[06:29] <jak2020> https://paste.debian.net/1031402/
[06:32] <tomreyn> so the answer to my thin provisioning pool question is "yes"
[06:32] <jak2020> yes
[06:33] <tomreyn> so get some backups, jackivan88
[06:34] <tomreyn> so get some backups, jak2020
[06:34] <tomreyn> (sorry jackivan88)
[06:35] <jak2020> done
[06:35] <jak2020> or can we
[06:35] <jak2020> create a directory /hdd1 and mount here free space?
[06:35] <jak2020> how many disks  have
[06:36] <tomreyn> you just backed up 1 TB in 6 minutes? fast storage!
[06:36] <jak2020> backuped some important files
[06:37] <tomreyn> who setup this system? did you?
[06:37] <jak2020> yes
[06:37] <tomreyn> okay, so why did you choose this partiton scheme if you now need more space on / ?
[06:38] <tomreyn> it's probably newly setup, right?
[06:38] <jak2020> this server is for Virtual Pcs
[06:38] <jak2020> need more space
[06:38] <jak2020> it can be on /hdd1
[06:38] <tomreyn> why are sdb, sdc, sdd not in use?
[06:39] <jak2020> only used sda and now need more space :)
[06:40] <tomreyn> if i had this much storage on a server (depending on the use case) i would probably have created a mirror raid
[06:40] <jak2020> yes i try but when installed the server not worked something
[06:40] <jak2020> (3 years..)
[06:42] <tomreyn> well you could still do it now, creating a mirror raid across, say, sdc and sdd, and then move everything there, and then either extend the raid across sda and sdb or add another one.
[06:42] <tomreyn> but "then not worked something" makes me think we should not try this.
[06:42] <jak2020> i try an hardware raid
[06:43] <jak2020> not soft
[06:43] <tomreyn> i see
[06:43] <jak2020> ok then we can activate the sdbc and create the array
[06:43] <jak2020> with cfdisk?
[06:44] <tomreyn> do you want to keep the gpt partition table on sdc or use the entire storage as a file system?
[06:45] <tomreyn> i mean sdb, sorry
[06:45] <jak2020> by moment need more space
[06:45] <jak2020> but... if can we create the raid its bettter
[06:46] <tomreyn> i don't think i want to go the raid route with you today
[06:46] <jak2020> ok
[06:46] <tomreyn> i suggest you just pvcreate /dev/sdb
[06:47] <jak2020> Device /dev/sdb not found (or ignored by filtering).
[06:48] <tomreyn> ? but it's on both your lsblk and fidsk -l output?
[06:49] <jak2020> yes
[06:50] <tomreyn> maybe it ignores it due to the partiton table on it. we can remote that: dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdb bs=1024 count=1
[06:50] <tomreyn> make sure you have backups
[06:50] <jak2020> but not touching sda...
[06:50] <jak2020> sda have the info
[06:50] <jak2020> ok
[06:50] <jak2020> better
[06:50] <jak2020> with dd can i create a image on sdbd ?
[06:51] <tomreyn> s/remote/remove/
[06:51] <tomreyn> what the dd command does is to overwrite the partition table on sdb
[06:51] <tomreyn> actually more than just the partition table, but thats ok since there's no data stored on it.
[06:52] <jak2020> https://paste.debian.net/1031403/
[06:52] <tomreyn> that is, i assume you are booting off sda, not aany of the other disks
[06:52] <jak2020> hysical volume "/dev/sdb" successfully created
[06:52] <jak2020> now?
[06:54] <tomreyn> vgextend pve /dev/sdb
[06:54] <jak2020> Volume group "pve" successfully extended
[06:55] <tomreyn> now you can either increase the size of the pve/root LV or create a new LV in the pve volume group
[06:55] <tomreyn> jak2020: are you aware of what we just did, or should i explain?
[06:55] <jak2020> if can
[06:55] <jak2020> explain please
[06:55] <tomreyn> this will be iomportant to understand for the future.
[06:56] <jak2020> if can
[06:56] <tomreyn> so you have this single volume group "pve". all your file systems so far were backed by it.
[06:58] <tomreyn> pve was, so far, only based on sda. we now added sdb to this LVM physical volume. so you now have this LVM2 physical volume "pve" which effectively spans across two of your actual storages, sda and sdb.
[06:58] <tomreyn> run pvs, then vgs
[06:59] <tomreyn> jak2020: review the outputs of these commands, review what i just wrote, then tell me when you want to continue
[06:59] <jak2020> ye sunderstand
 now you can either increase the size of the pve/root LV or create a new LV in the pve volume group
[07:00] <tomreyn> which one will it be?
[07:00] <jak2020> yes understand that can resize.. increase space...
[07:00] <jak2020> can we mount /dev/sdb to /hdd1 ?
[07:01] <tomreyn> no, since /dev/sdb is now an LVM PV
[07:02] <jak2020> ok, then?
[07:02] <jak2020> how to see the space?
[07:02] <jak2020> or where mount?
[07:02] <tomreyn> but we can create a new LV in the pve VG and mount that at /hdd1 or whereeveryou'd like to
[07:02] <jak2020> ok
[07:02] <tomreyn> which size?
[07:03] <erle-> > day for
[07:03] <erle-> > still no Firefox update
[07:03] <jak2020> tomreyn all 1TB
[07:04] <tomreyn> jak2020: okay, its a bit less than 1 TB, but i understand
[07:05] <tomreyn> jak2020: can you show pvs, lvs please
[07:05] <jak2020> dude: with the other 2 tb can we tomorrow create raid?
[07:06] <jak2020> https://paste.debian.net/1031404/
[07:06] <tomreyn> jak2020: maybe, how much do you pay per hour?
[07:06] <jak2020> 5 dollars?
[07:06] <jak2020> 10?
[07:06] <jak2020> no much money
[07:06] <tomreyn> :)
[07:07] <jak2020> but i try
[07:07] <tomreyn> just ask again tomorrow, maybe someone will be willing to help
[07:07] <jak2020> ok
[07:07] <tomreyn> you should try it and learn it yourself
[07:07] <tomreyn> it's pretty safe since sdc and add are not in use at all currently
[07:08] <jak2020> ok
[07:08] <tomreyn> sdc and sdd
[07:09] <jak2020> https://paste.debian.net/1031405/ why not seee all TB?
[07:11] <tomreyn> because the LVs of your thin provisioning pool are not mounted on this system
[07:11] <tomreyn> that's if you're referring to the 1 TB which is sda
[07:12] <tomreyn> if you're referring to the ~ 1 TB that's sdb it's because we are not yet using it.
[07:12] <jak2020> i am talking about sda
[07:12] <jak2020> see df -h output?
[07:12] <tomreyn> yes, and i just explained about sda
[07:13] <tomreyn> you have this large thin provisioning pool on sda, called 'data', it's 811 GB as can be seen here https://paste.debian.net/1031401/
[07:14] <tomreyn> it contains several thin provisoning LVs which do not contain file systems which are mounted on the system you are currently working on. and df-h only shows mounted file systems.
[07:17] <tomreyn> jak2020: now to continue where we left off: lvcreate --name hdd1 --size 930G pve
[07:19] <jak2020>  Logical volume "hdd1" created.
[07:19] <tomreyn> jak2020: pvmove --name hdd1 /dev/sdb
[07:19] <jak2020> https://paste.debian.net/1031407/
[07:20] <tomreyn> hmm okay, doesn't work this way
[07:21] <tomreyn> currently, hdd1 is created *somewhere* on the pve volume group (which is backed by sda3 and sdb. i want to make sure it's is exclusively backed by sdb, incase sda fails at some point
[07:21] <jak2020> yes not worked
[07:24] <tomreyn> oh we can specify this during lvcreate
[07:24] <tomreyn> so, let's undo this LV
[07:24] <tomreyn> lvremove pve/hdd1
[07:24] <jak2020> how to undo?
[07:24] <JackLau> how do I dismiss the purple splash after login succeed ?
[07:26] <tomreyn> jak2020: LV deleted?
[07:26] <tomreyn> JackLau: can you show a screen shot?
[07:26] <jak2020>  Logical volume "hdd1" successfully removed
[07:26] <tomreyn> JackLau: also discuss ubuntu version
[07:27] <tomreyn> jak2020: not sure this will work, but let's try: lvcreate --name hdd1 --size 100% pve /dev/sdb
[07:28] <jak2020> Invalid argument for --size: 100%
[07:29] <tomreyn> jak2020: no this wont work, but this should: lvcreate --name hdd1 --extents 100%PVS pve /dev/sdb
[07:30] <tomreyn> jak2020: if this succeeds, please show "lvs" and "lvdisplay pve/hdd1" afterwards, otherwise please show the error message
[07:30] <jak2020> Invalid argument for --size: 100%
[07:31] <tomreyn> jak2020: note how isaid the first version of the command wont work, try the second ;)
[07:31] <jak2020> Logical volume "hdd1" created.
 jak2020: if this succeeds, please show "lvs" and "lvdisplay pve/hdd1" afterwards, otherwise please show the error message
[07:32] <jak2020> succedd
[07:32] <jak2020> https://paste.debian.net/1031411/
[07:34] <tomreyn> jak2020: okay, looks good. now we just create a file system on it: mkfs.ext4 /dev/pve/hdd1
[07:34] <jak2020> last line
[07:34] <jak2020> Writing superblocks and filesystem accounting information: done
[07:35] <tomreyn> jak2020: and then create a mount point, you wanted /hdd1: mkdir /hdd1
[07:35] <jak2020> dome
[07:35] <jak2020> now?
[07:35] <tomreyn> and make sure it gets mounted there in the future
[07:35] <tomreyn> blkid /dev/pve/hdd1
[07:35] <tomreyn> whats the output?
[07:37] <jak2020> is /dev/pve/hdd1: UUID="60622827-4688-4cd5-8af3-04d3cebda9f1" TYPE="ext4"
[07:39] <tomreyn> jak2020: echo 'UUID=60622827-4688-4cd5-8af3-04d3cebda9f1 /hdd1 ext4 defaults 0 2' | tee -a /etc/fstab
[07:39] <tomreyn> this adds it to fstab so it'll be mounted automatically in the future.
[07:39] <tomreyn> jak2020: then just mount it: mount /hdd1
[07:40] <tomreyn> df -h will then report that you have ~ 1TB at /hdd1
[07:41] <jak2020> mount: can't find /hdd1 in /etc/fstab
[07:42] <tomreyn> jak2020: did you do the command before that, the one with echo?
[07:44] <jak2020> ooo
[07:44] <jak2020> not do the echo
[07:44] <jak2020> sorry
[07:44] <tomreyn> no problem, do it now, then do the mount again
[07:45] <jak2020> https://paste.debian.net/1031412/
[07:45] <jak2020> how to make permanently?
[07:45] <jak2020> mounted?
[07:47] <tomreyn> jak2020: the echo command did this it added a line to the end of /etc/fstab (take a look)
[07:47] <tomreyn> jak2020: the echo command did this. it added a line to the end of /etc/fstab (take a look)
[07:47] <tomreyn> so /hdd1 will be mounted automatically when you reboot
[07:48] <tomreyn> (i assume that's what you mean by 'permanent')
[07:50] <tomreyn> jak2020: what's the output of 'lsb_release -ds'?
[07:53] <jak2020> yes
[07:53] <jak2020> -su: lsb_release: command not found
[07:54] <ppf> cat /etc/*-release
[07:54] <tomreyn> jak2020: what ppf says. and then: cat /var/log/installer/media-info; echo
[07:57] <jak2020> https://paste.debian.net/1031413/
[07:58] <jak2020> cat: /var/log/installer/media-info: No such file or directory
[07:58] <tomreyn> jak2020: okay, so we're done. and in the future ask in #debian *only* when you need help with debian. this is #ubuntu
[07:59] <jak2020> ok thanks friend
[07:59] <jak2020> much thanks
[08:00] <tomreyn> welcome
[08:02] <tomreyn> jak2020: i'm not going to support your migration to a RAID on debian at this time. but you should think about how you want to design your RAID. which raid level, which devices. if you will setup a software raid you can just ignore the fact that you have data on sda and sdb for now.
[08:10] <tomreyn> "If you're killed in the matrix, you die here?"
[08:12] <JimBuntu> !cookie tomreyn
[08:12] <tomreyn> ty
[08:13] <JimBuntu> yw, although I seem to have done it wrong, lol.
[08:24] <phelix> So I have a 8tb drive.. when running a df -h it only shows it as 2tb.
[08:25] <phelix> any idea what is happening? I just backed up so much stuff to it.
[08:26] <ducasse> does it have an mbr partition table? you should use gpt on drives bigger than 2tb
[08:26] <EriC^^> phelix: what does "lsblk" show it as?
[08:26] <EriC^^> that's probably it
[08:27] <phelix> └─sda1   8:1    0   7.3T  0 part /media/phelix/8T
[08:27] <EriC^^> phelix: can you pastebin the output of "sudo parted -ls" ?
[08:27] <phelix> https://pastebin.com/d5WEVtLa
[08:27] <EriC^^> hmm, what about "df /dev/sda" ?
[08:28] <phelix> df /dev/sda
[08:28] <phelix> Filesystem     1K-blocks  Used Available Use% Mounted on
[08:28] <phelix> udev            16413884     0  16413884   0% /dev
[08:28] <phelix> df -h
[08:28] <EriC^^> maybe it's the limit of fat32 ? 1 sec
[08:29] <EriC^^> sorry df /dev/sda1
[08:29] <phelix> Yes, when right clicking and going to properties it says its only 2.2TB
[08:29] <EriC^^> phelix: it seems fat32's limit is 2tb
[08:30] <phelix> which will super suck as I just spent 3 days backing up files to it
[08:30] <EriC^^> https://www.genie9.com/support/kb/KnowledgeArticle.aspx?KBID=113
[08:30] <EriC^^> maybe you could convert it to ntfs somehow
[08:30] <phelix> omg... so I have to transfer all the files back off of it and then format it again to NTFS?
[08:30] <phelix> then  transfer back again?
[08:31] <EriC^^> phelix: https://www.howtogeek.com/58953/how-to-convert-a-hard-drive-or-flash-drive-from-fat32-to-ntfs-format/
[08:31] <mous> phelix: if only 2TB are in use of the 8TB, i'd just create the proper partition with the remaining 6, move everything from the 2 to the 6, and then resize the 6 to 8
[08:31] <EriC^^> no you can convert it to ntfs, then expand the ntfs filesystem to take up the 8tb
[08:31] <mous> ^^
[08:32] <EriC^^> mous: same thing when he wants to make the 6 to 8
[08:32] <mous> yeah
[08:32]  * mous high fives EriC^^
[08:32] <phelix> mous, that only works with windows?
[08:32] <EriC^^> :D
[08:32] <phelix> I mean EriC^^
[08:33] <EriC^^> seems so, you need "convert.exe" on windows and it cant be on a live system
[08:34] <EriC^^> nevermind the live system part, i forgot there's no os on the hdd
[08:34] <phelix> omg... just spend the last 2 days backing files up on this new drive... ughhh.
[08:35] <EriC^^> phelix: use any windows pc to do it
[08:35] <phelix> what a fucking pain in my ass.
[08:35] <phelix> I don't have windows
[08:35] <ducasse> watch the language, please
[08:35] <EriC^^> phelix: you could always just create a 6tb ntfs and have stuff split between the 2
[08:35] <phelix> I really don't want to turn this drive into 2...
[08:35] <EriC^^> you'd just have 2 partitions instead of 1, but no copying 2tb again
[08:36] <EriC^^> look into if you can run convert.exe from wine maybe?
[08:36] <EriC^^> why dont you download a solid win8/10 image?
[08:36] <EriC^^> they're freely available online, you'd just need a usb to put it on and boot it and run what you need possibly from the command prompt in the installer's options
[08:37] <phelix> So Windows can do this but linux can't?
[08:37] <phelix> sounds super sketchy
[08:38] <EriC^^> fat is a windows fs, and i dont think it's open source too
[08:38] <EriC^^> i could be wrong, anyways i say bite the bullet and download the 4gb windows image, problem solved
[08:39] <phelix> ugh
[08:40] <EriC^^> :D
[08:41] <EriC^^> phelix: maybe ask in the winehq channel if anyone's used convert.exe successfully
[08:41] <EriC^^> !wine
[08:42] <phelix> That sounds way to skechy
[08:42] <EriC^^> if it works it works *shrug*
[08:42] <phelix> this is freakin lame.. guess I'll spend the next 2 days copying all the files back and then another 2 days copying them back again.. stupid
[08:42] <phelix> Well if it doesn't I loose tons of valuable data.
[08:43] <EriC^^> phelix: i dont think it's that flimsy
[08:44] <EriC^^> you could always run a short test with before/after md5hashes or just file sizes for quickness
[08:45] <EriC^^> phelix: why dont you want to download the windows image?
[08:46] <phelix> I'm just scared that I'll loose this data.
[08:47] <EriC^^> gotcha, yeah if you dont have it backed up on the drive you got it from
[08:48] <phelix> Yes, one of my hard drives I can tell is starting to go dead.. It only shows up every once and awhile. So I bought a new hd to get it all backed up.. spend days backing it all up. Now I'm scewed. Guess I need to send it back to this faulty h/d and format and copy it back again or something.
[08:50] <Guest2822> ahoj
[08:50] <EriC^^> yeah that sounds sketchy too, if the faulty hdd decides to not appear anymore or something
[08:51] <EriC^^> phelix: i'd make another partition and maybe later when you have time/resources make it into 1 big nice partition
[08:51] <EriC^^> saves you the time right now and possible heart ache
[08:52] <EriC^^> i almost lost all my stuff once, wasn't a nice feeling, luckily the hdd worked again
[08:52] <EriC^^> now i keep everything on an ext hdd and on the laptop partition so if one goes bad there's always the other
[09:01] <tomreyn> !info fstransform
[09:02] <tomreyn> here's cnovert.exe for linux. just as risky.
[09:03] <tomreyn> phelix: ^
[09:09] <EriC^^> tomreyn: are you sure it works with fat32/ntfs ? the description only mentions linux fs
[09:12] <matt3o12> Why is power/wakeup disabled by default for USB in Linux? Is there any reason not to turn it on?
[09:21] <tomreyn> EriC^^: indeed, version 0.9.3 (on 16.04) does not.
[09:22] <tomreyn> i was looking at https://github.com/cosmos72/fstransform which mentions thatuntested ntfs support was removed recently, so i assumed it might do vfat. i never used it, though
[09:30] <EriC^^> tomreyn: ah i see
[09:35] <Kenshison> Anyone alive in here
[09:36] <EriC^^> maybe, why are you asking?
[09:36] <guiverc_d> nope; just us bots :)    If you have a Ubuntu question, please just ask it (ideally in a single line, and be patient please waiting for an answer)
[09:37] <Kenshison> trying to understand the whole point of ubuntu
[09:38] <guiverc_d> Kenshison, that isn't a support question, this is a Support room. #ubuntu-discuss may be more appropirate
[09:42] <kubast2> so I finally gotten my install how I liked it
[09:42]  * kubast2 was a dumbass
[09:42] <kubast2> well sorta that is to say on filesystem part lel
[09:44] <kubast2> also I have moved in /home partition from a previous install
[09:44] <kubast2> How can I login to ubuntu one ?
[09:44] <kubast2> when I reuse /home ?
[09:45] <kubast2> *recycle let's call it that
[09:45] <kubast2> ok
[09:45] <kubast2> had to delete account and reboot
[09:45] <kubast2> werks
[09:46] <kubast2> next time I will make a 5GB /var and 10GB rootfs though
[09:46] <kubast2> I don't think more is needed with brtfs
[09:47] <kubast2> and put home on lvm
[09:47] <guiverc_d> kubast2, why do you need ubuntu.one?  i only login via a browser (https://login.ubuntu.com/)
[09:47] <kubast2> guiverc_d, I belive it's for livepatch thingy?
[09:47] <CoolerZ> still having bluetooth issues
[09:47] <kubast2> at least that's what the after install greeting made me belive
[09:48] <CoolerZ> my headphones don't show up in the bluetooth devices list anymore
[09:48] <MonkeyDust> CoolerZ  use blueman (bluetooth manager)
[09:49] <CoolerZ> https://imgur.com/2hSKdcs
[09:49] <guiverc_d> kubast2, i've not used livepatch - but maybe this will help https://www.ubuntu.com/server/livepatch
[09:49] <CoolerZ> MonkeyDust, why doesn't the normal ubuntu bluetooth thingy work
[09:50] <CoolerZ> oh after turning the headphones off and on again, now its showing up
[09:51] <MonkeyDust> CoolerZ  that's how good this channel is
[09:51] <CoolerZ> but it says not set up and when i click on it doesn't do anything
[09:51] <MonkeyDust> CoolerZ  i stand by my blueman suggestion
[09:53] <CoolerZ> is it a driver problem?
[09:53] <CoolerZ> do i have to reinstall the bluetooth driver?
[09:58] <ziomause> hi
[09:59] <ziomause> Hello?
[09:59] <CoolerZ> MonkeyDust, blueman shows connected but still not working
[09:59] <CoolerZ> theres no sound coming out of anywhere
[09:59] <guiverc_d> ziomause, Howdy, if you have a Ubuntu Support question, please just ask it (try and do it in a single line, and give time for people to answer)
[10:00] <ziomause> Sprichst du deutsch?
[10:00] <CoolerZ> and blueman crashed
[10:00] <guiverc_d> !de
[10:00] <ziomause> Danke
[10:00] <ziomause> WArum?
[10:01] <ziomause> Why?
[10:01] <MonkeyDust> ziomause  this is the ubuntu support channel
[10:01] <ziomause> OMG!!
[10:02] <ziomause> Ihr Arschlöcher
[10:02] <ziomause> Sorry!!!!
[10:02] <ziomause> Sorry!!
[10:24] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[10:33] <Ndraz3n> npsssssss
[10:33] <Ndraz3n> ah
[10:33] <Ndraz3n> sok heker lo semua
[10:33] <MonkeyDust> !id
[10:33] <Ndraz3n> oke
[10:40] <tsarompy> hai #ubuntu <3
[10:40] <tsarompy> been a while
[10:40] <tsarompy> can anyone suggest a good ebook reader? i have a giant collection
[10:42] <bazhang> tsarompy, do you mean software from ubuntu, or an actual hardware device
[10:42] <tsarompy> oh, i meant a program :P
[10:42] <tsarompy> apparently okular can read epubs
[10:43] <bazhang> what are the primary formats you are reading
[10:43] <bazhang> epub mobi text or other
[10:43] <tsarompy> oh man
[10:43] <tsarompy> all of them really
[10:43] <tsarompy> mostly epub mobi and pdf
[10:43] <tsarompy> okular has everything i want tho :P
[10:43] <tsarompy> im good
[10:44] <bazhang> tsarompy, you can look at calibre to convert them
[10:44] <CookieM> fbreader is good for epubs
[10:44] <CookieM> okular for djvu’s and pdf’s
[10:44] <tsarompy> yeah i used to use calibre
[10:44] <tsarompy> but i cant install it now
[10:45] <CookieM> evince for comics (cbz, cbr)
[10:45] <tsarompy> im on bionic, looks like a qtbase dependency was removed
[10:45] <tsarompy> but its whatever, i figured it out
[11:13] <luxio> I can't find VSCode in apt
[11:13] <bazhang> luxio, as in visual studio?
[11:14] <luxio> yeah
[11:14] <luxio> https://code.visualstudio.com
[11:14] <luxio> this
[11:16] <bazhang> https://code.visualstudio.com/download luxio you missed the deb for ubuntu there?
[11:17] <luxio> yeah but no apt package?
[11:17] <bazhang> luxio, what did you mean?
[11:17] <bazhang> in the ubuntu repos?
[11:17] <luxio> yeah
[11:18] <bazhang> luxio, thats proprietary third party software
[11:20] <de-facto> out of curiosity: what worst case scenario could happen if i rename my primary (uid 1000) user to "admin" as prevented from installer as reserved user name? how propable is a name collision with packages for a desktop system?
[11:25] <Battle> is it possible for /home to be unmounted whilst the server is running ?
[11:27] <Battle> the reason being, i was trying to update my system which included kernel upgrade, it failed to upgrade the kernel and some errors came up... which included grub-probe: error: disk `mduuid/4351570248a139c2fdf813affcbca916' not found.
[11:27] <Battle> now i restarted my system and whilst shutting down, it said "failed to unmount /home" which explains why I could not move files into /home frmo outside of /home
[11:29] <Battle> now shutdown process appears to have stalled at 'reached target shutdown'
[11:34] <tomreyn> Battle: if the system reached target shutdown, then you wont be able to do much anyways. i mean you no longer have a shell anyways, right?
[11:34] <tomreyn> i guess i'd just do magicsysrq then
[11:34] <tomreyn> !sysrq
[11:35] <Battle> tomreyn: I was on remote KVM console so i can see everything
[11:35] <tomreyn> Battle: okay, but you no longer got any options to actually do anything there, isnt it?
[11:36] <Battle> I did a force shutdown and it has now come online and despite the errors about unable to locate disk and failed to unmount /home, it seems to be okay? :S at least it booted anyway....
[11:36] <Battle> that's correct tomreyn it was stuck, no input allowed or anything so i just force shutdown on it
[11:36] <tomreyn> ok
[11:37] <tomreyn> if this same issue occurs on the next reboot you should probbaly try to determine the root cause
[11:37] <Battle> yeah im about to test it after i finisht his apt upgrade
[11:37] <Battle> its upgrading "linux-firmware-4.15.0.-24-generic"
[11:38] <Battle> super slow though... ><
[11:39] <Battle> what worries me most tomreyn is why this happened in teh first place. the system has been running fine since day 1, ive installed apps and services e.t.c....but all of a sudden it gives me errors when upgrading kernel.
[11:39] <Battle> and then pretty much broke other things too...
[11:39] <Battle> oh dear
[11:40] <Battle> apt upgrade did not go so well.... https://pastebin.com/z4xh4gcw
[11:41] <vlt> Hello. On Ubuntu 16.04 MATE I just got a message which translates to “too little space”. Does anyone know why is says that? Too little to do what?
[11:42] <vlt> *it says
[11:42] <vlt> `df -i` shows only 13 % of inodes used.
[11:43] <tomreyn> Battle: which ubuntu release is this? looks like a mix of xenial and bionic?
[11:43] <Battle> 16.04
[11:43] <Battle> someone advised me to install linux-image-generic-hwe-16.04
[11:43] <Battle> which added this 4.15 kernel
[11:44] <tomreyn> oh right
[11:44] <Battle> beyond that, ive only had the default sources.list and all kernels came from there
[11:44] <tomreyn> should be fine
[11:44] <Battle> oh good
[11:44] <Battle> what should i do with that mass of errors ? :S
[11:45] <Battle> is there a way to clean it up, it seems like its missing files?
[11:45] <ioria> !info linux-image-generic-hwe-16.04 xenial
[11:45] <boboma> Battle, check what df -h says
[11:45] <ioria> Battle, that is 4.13 not 4.15
[11:45] <boboma> see if there is a partition running out of space
[11:45] <Battle> nope, the largest "Use%" is 33% which is /boot
[11:46] <Battle> home is 22% used, / is 30, /run is 1, and all others are 0
[11:46] <boboma> 33% of what?
[11:46] <Battle> used space
[11:46] <boboma> i mean how big in total
[11:46] <Battle> so tons of space available basically
[11:46] <Battle> oh
[11:46] <Battle> lemme pastebin the thingie bob
[11:46] <Battle> https://pastebin.com/NQvZ2Urr
[11:47] <boboma> seems ok to me.
[11:48] <boboma> well, no idea where the message comes from
[11:48] <tomreyn> Battle: ioria's right. linux-image-generic-hwe-16.04 (which is fine to run on a system that needs stability) provides linux 4.13.0.45.64. there is also linux-image-generic-hwe-16.04-edge which provides linux 4.15.0.23.45, but i would not run this on a server unless i had no better option,
[11:49] <Battle> oh right....
[11:49] <Battle> yes i need stability, its a server, so how do i undo that 4.15 kernel safely lol
[11:49] <Battle> is it just a case of apt remove ?
[11:50] <ioria> Battle,  you have  linux-image-4.15.0-24-generic,no idea where it comes from  (maybe some proposed repo)
[11:50] <tomreyn> Battle: why was it suggested that you should use linux-image-generic-hwe-16.04? do you have new hardware?
[11:51] <tomreyn> Battle: can we see "cat /proc/version" and "apt-cache policy linux-image-4.15.0-24-generic"
[11:52] <tomreyn> xenial-proposed has linux-image-4.15.0-24-generic 4.15.0-24.26~16.04.1
[11:53] <tomreyn> but you wouldnt use -proposed on a server either
[11:53] <tomreyn> unless there were specific reasons to do so.
[11:54] <Battle> no new hardware, Ill explain whole story , so one day i logged into my dedicated server and saw 50-60 updates, i figured why not update...
[11:54] <Battle> it seems like i deed to...so as usual, i ran apt update, and apt upgrade, when it upgraded everything how it ran into huge issues with the kernel upgrades. https://pastebin.com/DtDLFGcx I think was the general idea of what was happening. I then was advised to install that kernel 4.15, but this didnt help, i couldnt install it either, it kept having errors during install but it seems to have semi-installeD? (although after 
[11:55] <Battle> it was decided that i should fix the grub issues first, as that appears to have caused the issue with upgrading the kernel, and from google searching, i found people suggested to just restart hte system, which ive done, and that actually does appear to have solved the grub issue...
[11:55] <Battle> (the grub issue being that it couldnt find the disk when upgrading)
[11:56] <Battle> it seems somehow /home was unmounted? or was "forgotten"? because when shutting down it said failed to unmount /home...
[11:56] <Battle> however, after the system starting up, it all booted fine, no errors, until i run apt upgrade, which is where we are right now
[11:56] <Battle> hope this all makes sense somewhat? XD
[11:56] <Battle> thats the reason the kernel got there though, is because it was an attempt to fix the issues but it seems all i had to do was restart
[11:57] <Battle> Linux version 4.13.0-43-generic (buildd@lcy01-amd64-029) (gcc version 5.4.0 20160609 (Ubuntu 5.4.0-6ubuntu1~16.04.9)) #48~16.04.1-Ubuntu SMP Thu May 17 12:56:46 UTC 2018
[11:57] <Battle> thats the output of the file you request
[11:57] <Battle> https://pastebin.com/R1izAeve
[11:57] <Battle> output of the other file
[11:58] <Battle> seems i need to uncomment the 'proposed' repo
[11:58] <tomreyn> so you have '-proposed' enabled. you should disable this in /etc/apt/sources.list
[11:58] <tomreyn> right
[11:59] <tomreyn> it might also be in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/
[11:59] <Battle> okay i removed that repo
[11:59] <Battle> apt clean all, apt update, apt upgrade, all process cleanly no errors, but also proposes no changes too
[11:59] <tomreyn> can we see: dpkg -l linux\*
[12:00] <Battle> https://pastebin.com/L0Re1QUX
[12:01] <tomreyn> apt install linux-image-generic-hwe-16.04; apt purge linux-image-generic-hwe-16.04-edge
[12:02] <Battle> it says: linux-image-generic-hwe-16.04 is already the newest version (4.15.0.24.46).
[12:02] <Battle> followed by: Package 'linux-image-generic-hwe-16.04-edge' is not installed, so not removed
[12:03] <tomreyn> oh, do "apt update" first, sorry
[12:03] <ioria> i guess also that pkg is from -proposed
[12:03] <tomreyn> right, we'll need to purge and reinstall it, too.
[12:04] <Battle> I ran apt update, no effect
[12:04] <tomreyn> apt purge linux-\*-4.15.0-24\*
[12:04] <tomreyn> apt install linux-image-generic-hwe-16.04
[12:04] <Battle> https://pastebin.com/22xFiWU9
[12:05] <tomreyn> dpkg -l linux\*
[12:05] <Battle> i thought linux-image-generic-hwe-16.04 was the unstable/not advised kernel for when server stability is required?
[12:05] <zomaar> does anyone have any idea how I could run a script on a TTY instead of login prompt?
[12:05] <ioria> yep
[12:05] <tomreyn> Battle: linux-image-generic-hwe-16.04 is ok, linux-image-generic-hwe-16.04-edge is not
[12:06] <Battle> ohhh
[12:06] <tomreyn> but you can downgrade all the way to the GA kernel if you prefer
[12:06] <tomreyn> so non HWE
[12:06] <tomreyn> !hwe
[12:06] <Battle> no i dont mind, i just want ti to be stable as it can be
[12:06] <ioria> Battle, hwe is stable
[12:06] <Battle> https://pastebin.com/n6GFrweB
[12:07] <Battle> okay good :D
[12:07] <Battle> (thats the output of that command you requested)
[12:07] <Battle> i see no mention of 4.15 so it seems to be gone now
[12:07] <ioria> yes
[12:07] <tomreyn> right, looks good now
[12:08] <Battle> now to try and install the hwe ?
[12:08] <Battle> "apt install linux-image-generic-hwe-16.04" ?
[12:09] <tomreyn> yes
[12:09] <Battle> oh dear, lots of errors
[12:10] <Battle> https://pastebin.com/9APmEDTJ
[12:11] <Battle> went into 2 pages
[12:11] <Battle> should i try to reboot?
[12:12] <tomreyn> not yet.
[12:12] <pksonikal> hey guys
[12:12] <tomreyn> Battle: is there anything in /boot/grub/device.map ?
[12:12] <Battle> empty
[12:13] <Battle> file does nto exist either
[12:13] <Battle> not*
[12:13] <pksonikal>  need help @Battle?
[12:14] <Battle> yeah i'm being helped already but i welcome all help :D
[12:15] <pksonikal> what do you need help with=
[12:15] <pksonikal> ?
[12:15] <Battle> we're having issues with kernels, when installing a kernel it is giving huge errors/warnings lol
[12:15] <Battle> https://pastebin.com/9APmEDTJ
[12:15] <tomreyn> Battle: grep ^MODULES /etc/initramfs-tools/initramfs.conf
[12:15] <Battle> googling briefly here some have said it is caused by a 'degraded raid array' ?
[12:16] <pksonikal> in what line do the errors pop up?
[12:16] <Battle> tomreyn output: MODULES=most
[12:16] <tomreyn> Battle: cat /proc/mdstat
[12:16] <Battle> output: https://pastebin.com/E8xwQZiZ
[12:17] <tomreyn> Battle: google is right
[12:17] <Battle> :o
[12:17] <pksonikal> battle what line is the error in?
[12:17] <Battle> pksonikal i dont know what you mean to be honest, the error line numbers are shown on the pastebin? if thats what you mean?
[12:18] <pksonikal> oh kek
[12:18] <pksonikal> found em tho
[12:18] <Battle> tomreyn what would you recommend to fix the raid? :o
[12:18] <Battle> how did my raid break in teh first place, i installed the OS and al was fine, no errors until now :o
[12:19] <tomreyn> Battle: inspect the status first: for MD in /dev/md*; do mdadm --detail $MD; done
[12:20] <tomreyn> Battle: there can be many reasons why a RAID breaks. the most common will be failing disks and user errors, i guess.
[12:20] <Battle> i see
[12:20] <Battle> https://pastebin.com/VNpeUvN5
[12:20] <tomreyn> also failing HW controllers, if you have those, but you dont seem to
[12:21] <tomreyn> are you running this from a rescue system?
[12:21] <Battle> nope
[12:21] <Battle> this is the actual system itself
[12:21] <pksonikal> the easiest solution would be a true reinstall tho
[12:22] <Battle> i really cannot do that
[12:22] <tomreyn> ?! no
[12:22] <Battle> or at least would really like to avoid that...
[12:22] <Battle> at any cost
[12:22] <pksonikal> but you wouldn't wanna do that
[12:22] <pksonikal> use it as last resource when everything else fails
[12:22] <pksonikal> oke?
[12:22] <tomreyn> Battle: review your system log to get a better idea of why the raid failed. in the meantime i'll look up the further steps
[12:22] <Battle> okay thanks
[12:23] <tomreyn> getting a bit rusty with raid if i dont use it so much
[12:23] <Battle> also I see what you mean about rescue, it talks about resuce in that output doesnt it....
[12:23] <Battle> so weird...
[12:23] <Battle> butim not using rescue, i just rebooted system is all, ill check logs
[12:23] <tomreyn> mdadm assigns those names when a raid array is first assembled, creating the name based on the current hostname
[12:24] <tomreyn> s/assembled/created/
[12:24] <Battle> ohhhh right
[12:24] <kuberon> Hello
[12:24] <Battle> it was created from a rescue mode, so that would be why then
[12:25] <Battle> the way my providers have it is that we enter rescue mode and select what OS we want to install on our dedicated server, then it reboots dedicated server and we cant hen access the dedicated server directly
[12:25] <Battle> so if the hostname was captured from the rescue machine then it would explain why it talks of rescue inside that output i guess
[12:26] <tomreyn> Battle: yes, this is probably why. keep looking at the logs now ;)
[12:26] <pksonikal> change the hostname
[12:27] <Battle> ok XD
[12:27] <kuberon> I got problems with device or mobo sata controller, had BSODs in Win10 with CRITICAL_PROCESS_DIED, and booting Ubuntu which is on another SSD took some tries, first boot froze and monitor went idle
[12:27] <kuberon> then it displayed a list of messages
[12:27] <kuberon> most of them were ATA3: COMRESET failed
[12:29] <kuberon> exception Emask 0x10 SAct 0x0 SErr 0x4040000 action 0xe frozen t2
[12:30] <kuberon> ata3: irq_stat 0x00000040, connection status changed
[12:30] <kuberon> ata3: SError: CommWake Devexch
[12:31] <tomreyn> Battle: please post: grep -E '^ *[^#]' /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf
[12:31] <kuberon> ata3: COMRESET failed (errno=-32)
[12:31] <tomreyn> Battle: also: "lsblk" and "blkid"
[12:31] <ioria> kuberon, boot recovery and try fsck ?
[12:32] <tomreyn> well those are hardware issues.
[12:33] <Battle> tomreyn ive found some errors and things inside syslog ill include these also, give me amoment plz
[12:33] <tomreyn> Battle: sure
[12:34] <tomreyn> kuberon: you only have an on-board sata controller, right?
[12:35] <kuberon> ioria: I am booted in the same PC with ubuntu now, however the motherboard has trouble detecting the other Win10 SSD now
[12:35] <kuberon> these errors might have been tied to that SSD
[12:35] <kuberon> I typed exit and the boot process continued
[12:36] <kuberon> but it still took some time to show login screen, some kind of issue
[12:36] <kuberon> I rebooted and it booted right up, no black messages, but again, Win10 SSD is not being detected
[12:36] <tomreyn> kuberon: the device that is connected to SATA port 3 seems to be causing trouble. or the connection to it. or the sata controllers end.
[12:37] <Battle> tomreyn https://pastebin.com/uxHEirWe
[12:37] <kuberon> ioria: I was about to ask if some kind of extra logging could be done at boot, verbose boot messaging etc, to see whether MOBO or SSD is at fault, and I have to check SMART again
[12:37] <tomreyn> run dmesg, kuberon
[12:37] <ioria> kuberon, yes, you can increase the verbose
[12:38] <kuberon> tomreyn: it's Asus P9-X79 from 2013-2012 motherboard, it's mid-to-high-end, it has the intel sata controller, 2 are Sata 6GBps and 4 of them 3
[12:39] <kuberon> I ran sudo dmesg yes
[12:39] <kuberon> mostly yellow but some red lines
[12:40] <kuberon> I broke my phone so I have to work with old phones to snap photos and harder to transfer dang, I broke and failed a lot of stuff lately's been going crap
[12:40] <ioria> kuberon, dmesg | grep ata[0-9] | pastebinit
[12:41] <kuberon> basically in Win10, it boots fine, a couple of minutes or an hour in the desktop is unresponsive and then BSOD, it seems like it's been BSODing faster, first after 2 hours, then after 30 mins, then after 10 mins, in a span of 2-3 days
[12:41] <tomreyn> Battle: nothing special there. you have different HDDs there, though same capacity.
[12:41] <kuberon> this one is red: amdgpu 0000:01:00.0: Invalid PCI ROM header signature: expecting 0xaa55, got 0xffff
[12:42] <Battle> tomreyn, different HDDs ?, and im glad i guess at nothing special there, i thought i saw errors but i guess its normal
[12:42] <tomreyn> Battle: i suspect you used to have RAID-1 across sda and adb, right?
[12:42] <Battle> that would seem  correct
[12:43] <Battle> (frm memory that seems about right)
[12:43] <tomreyn> Battle: sda is an ST33000651AS, sdb is a WD3000FYYZ-01UL1B2
[12:44] <Battle> ohhhhhhhh thats what you mean, different hdds, sorry i get you now
[12:44] <Battle> and yes there are two different HDDs physically manufacturer wise
[12:44] <Battle> i dont know why ...its just what the provider gave this particular dedi
[12:44] <kuberon> ioria: http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/2KPpkFh5WD/
[12:44] <tomreyn> Battle: yeah, should be fine
[12:45] <Battle> sorry bit of a novice... what is wrong with my raid exactly?
[12:46] <kuberon> Samsung SSD 840 PRO is Ubuntu in UEFI GPT mode, there should be another Samsung SSD 860 EVO for Win10
[12:46] <kuberon> yeah so it had a problem with ata3 and not itself
[12:46] <Battle> something is wrong with it thats for sure, but it booted up okay (prior to our most recent changes), seemingly no errors raid wise on boot up, and all partitions aremounted e.t.c
[12:47] <kuberon> damn I didn't do a clonezilla backup in Win10 yet lately
[12:47] <Battle> what part is broken with it from that cat /mdstat thing we did?
[12:47] <tomreyn> Battle: you have mirror raid RAID-1 configured, so every raid array you have consists of two devices normally. however, each of them consists of one device only currently, making these degraded raid arrays.
[12:48] <tomreyn> Battle: this should normally re-assemble them: for md in /dev/md?; do sudo mdadm --assemble $MD; done
[12:49] <Battle> I think i understand that
[12:49] <phinxy> I have two files in /etc/netplan/, config.yaml and eth0.yaml
[12:49] <phinxy> both configure eth0
[12:49] <Battle> the output of that command(s) is: mdadm: Found some drive for an array that is already active: /dev/md/3
[12:49] <Battle> mdadm: giving up.
[12:49] <Battle> (it said that exact same thing , 4 times)
[12:50] <tomreyn> Battle: can i see "cat /proc/mdstat" again, also "dmesg -T | tail -n100"
[12:51] <Battle> https://pastebin.com/hyhFz4Yr
[12:51] <tomreyn> kuberon: the amdgpu message is normal, you can ignore it
[12:52] <kuberon> Oh ok, thanks
[12:53] <kuberon> tomreyn: seems like if I power down the PC and repower, I can boot into Win10 SSD again, but then BSOD again, failing SSD meh
[12:53] <tomreyn> kuberon: i think there are firmware updates available for some samsung 840 ssd's which are required to get a default lifetime. maybe something to look into later.
[12:53] <compdoc> kuberon, check the SMART info to see if its dying
[12:53] <kuberon> tomreyn: No, this is an OLD ssd which had Win7 before, now it has ubuntu, fully updated, the one with Win10 is brand new 860 EVO
[12:53] <tomreyn> kuberon: 860 evo would be m.2, right?
[12:54] <kuberon> no, I have a 256 GB Sata3 version
[12:54] <kuberon> i bought it a few weeks ago
[12:54] <tomreyn> oh right 960 is nvme
[12:56] <tomreyn> kuberon: try replacing the cable. if it doesn't help, just remove the data cable but keep power connected to the drive, run the computer like this for an hour, then power it down again, reconnect the stata cable, see if it helped.
[12:56] <tomreyn> this makes the ssd enter a drive firmware self-recovery mode, which usually takes less than 30 minutes to finish.
[12:57] <kuberon> tomreyn: very interesting, but I have no backup of Win10, it spent months and currently have no other Windows setup, it would be a disaster for data to get corrupt now
[12:58] <tomreyn> kuberon: you can also try connecting it to a different computer or sata port as it is now, also replacing the cable.
[12:58] <kuberon> I'll have to do clonezilla image first, but I can try rebooting again and booting into ubuntu while the bios detects the SSD
[12:58] <kuberon> tomreyn: indeed
[12:59] <tomreyn> kuberon: clonezilla isnt going to be more successfull at accessing the drive in the current constellation than windows and ubuntu were
[12:59] <kuberon> i'll reboot with it hopefully detected in BIOS now, brb
[12:59] <kuberon> yeah dang!
[12:59] <kuberon> this is ridicolous, if only I did it a few days ago I was planning
[13:00] <Battle> tomreyn forgive me if this is something you already have seen but googling i found someone with the same issue(ish) as me, and when he ran: mdadm --detail /dev/md0 it said one of his 'drives/mirrors' were in a 'removed' state. this is identical to mine,
[13:00] <Battle>        0       0        0        0      removed
[13:00] <Battle>        1       8       17        1      active sync   /dev/sdb1
[13:00] <kuberon> tomreyn: are ata3 vaues tied to sda
[13:00] <kuberon> like ata3, sdc ?
[13:01] <tomreyn> kuberon: ata3 is whatever is connected to the 4th SATA port.
[13:02] <tomreyn> probably indicated as SATA4 on your mobo.
[13:04] <tomreyn> kuberon: there'll be a better way to do this, but this will tell you the sata devices nodes for your /dev/sd* disks: ls /sys/block/sd*/device/scsi_device/
[13:05] <tomreyn> s/nodes/ports/
[13:05] <tomreyn> Battle: yes that's what a degraded array looks like
[13:06] <Battle> tomreyn I ran two commands: "mdadm --zero-superblock /dev/sda1" and "mdadm /dev/md0 --add /dev/sda1"
[13:06] <Battle> I also ran: "mdadm /dev/md1 --add /dev/sda2"
[13:06] <Battle> it is now showing as 'spare rebuilding' instead of 'removed'
[13:06] <tomreyn> Battle: for some reason we do not yet know, the sda members of your RAID arrays did not get added to the RAID during boot.
[13:06] <Battle> ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh that makes sense
[13:06] <Battle> so what im doing now is manually adding them
[13:07] <Battle> but this is suppose to be an automated task
[13:07] <Battle> am i right in that thinking?
[13:07] <Battle> okay both raid outputs are now 'active sync'
[13:08] <tomreyn> Battle: normally, tmd arrays would be reassembled (all devices re-added) automatically on boot, right
[13:08] <Battle> I see
[13:09] <tomreyn> Battle: what you just did was to decide that the data on the sda parts of all arrays was wrong, and to be delted, and that the raid arrays should be rebuilt using the data from sdb.
[13:09] <tomreyn> it would be good to know what you're doing before you run such potentially destructive commands ;)
[13:09] <Battle> yes, my god
[13:09] <Battle> I did not realise
[13:10] <kuberon> tomreyn: tnx, I have smartctl tools used it before, but if there is failure, what's the most obvious indicator, i find the DISK SMART system to be very unstandardized and poorly designed to convey message
[13:10] <tomreyn> Battle: you can now (and later, whenever you like) run "cat /proc/mdstat" again to watch the araay getting resynched
[13:10] <kuberon> what about a grep and pastebin it command for that too ?
[13:11] <Battle> ahh, it says 20% complete so far
[13:11] <Battle> what would you suggest I do next to find the cause of this
[13:11] <Battle> and repair it so that this doesnt happen again
[13:12] <tomreyn> Battle: you still don't know the root cause of why the array failed, though. it would be good to detemrine this more closely by reviewing more of your (older) syslogs, and by running smartctl against sda
[13:14] <tomreyn> kuberon: if you don't mind, just paste all of the "smartctl -a /dev/sdX" output where X is the very sata disk's device node.
[13:15] <tomreyn> Battle: you can do the same for sda ^ ;)
[13:16] <Battle> smartctl is unknown command :o
[13:16] <Battle> apt get cannot find it either
[13:17] <Battle> what are the typical signs of 'errors' for raids in the syslog? I searched for the term degraded, that found nothing in the 6-7 logs i have
[13:18] <tomreyn> Battle: sudo apt install smartmontools
[13:19] <kuberon> tomreyn: i'll send you the link of this ubuntu SSD smart info for now, but how do I figure out name of device to sd*, then I have to go do other things as I'm busy packing and stuff, I'll come back in a few hours if I'm successful at getting smart from the Win10 SSD
[13:20] <kuberon> allright looked in gparted, sda is the ubuntu drive
[13:20] <Battle> seems my older logs dont go back beyond 23rd of june
[13:21] <Battle> and there are some errors about sba1 in all of those files upto that point and probably beyond
[13:21] <Battle> Jun 23 17:45:49 server kernel: [2136649.384517] sd 0:0:0:0: [sda] tag#0 FAILED Result: hostbyte=DID_BAD_TARGET driverbyte=DRIVER_OK
[13:21] <Battle> Jun 23 17:45:49 server kernel: [2136649.384520] sd 0:0:0:0: [sda] tag#0 CDB: ATA command pass through(16) 85 06 20 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 e5 00
[13:21] <Battle> I asume its errors, i dont know lol XD
[13:22] <kuberon> tomreyn: https://pastebin.com/VtSP071y  - thanks for all your help, this is the ubuntu SSD, is it okay?
[13:23] <tomreyn> Battle: run: sudo zgrep 'ata[0-9]' /var/log/syslog*
[13:24] <Battle> cant use pastebin.com anymore, max 10 pastes lol, https://paste.ee/p/KLeOB
[13:24] <tomreyn> kuberon: this disk looks good
[13:25] <tomreyn> !pastebinit | Battle
[13:25] <tomreyn> !pastebin | Battle
[13:26] <tomreyn> Battle: and yes these are rerrors, well spotted!
[13:26] <Battle> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/f9szqd57Cz/
[13:26] <kuberon> thanks, shutting down, later... but you don't have to wait for me ofcourse, I might not finish the chore, however I still have some time tomorrow morning
[13:27] <tomreyn> kuberon: you should probably investigate the smartctl for the problematic drive. which you said is not the ubuntu one, so not sda, if i got your right there.
[13:29] <tomreyn> Battle: nothing special *there*, but the lines around "FAILED Result" in what you posted here directly are worth reviewing.
[13:29] <Battle> tomreyn: it seems those lines began writing before the 23rd of june and thats when my oldest log file starts. it has continued all the way until my restart today and now has stopped
[13:30] <tomreyn> Battle: so zgrep -FC10 'FAILED Result:' /var/log/syslog* | sort -nr
[13:30] <tomreyn> Battle: it will probbaly occur again on next boot
[13:31] <Battle> woah lot of output XD
[13:31] <tomreyn> or earlier
[13:31] <tomreyn> you can pipe it directly into pastebinit
[13:31] <Battle> ooo i foudn something
[13:31] <Battle> ./var/log/syslog.1:Jun 29 19:25:49 server udisksd[2758]: Error performing housekeeping for drive /org/freedesktop/UDisks2/drives/ST33000651AS_Z290TCT8: Error updating SMART data: Error sending ATA command CHECK POWER MODE: Unexpected sense data returned:#0120000: 00 00 00 00  00 00 00 00  00 00 00 00  00 00 00 00    ................#0120010: 00 00 00 00  00 00 00 00  00 00 00 00  00 00 00 00    ................#012 (g-io-e
[13:31] <Battle> (this is dated before my reboot today)
[13:32] <tomreyn> the drive is probably failing, did you post the smartctl output, yet?
[13:33] <oerheks> !info firefox
[13:33] <oerheks> still 60 ..
[13:35] <tomreyn> is 61 a critical security patch over 60?
[13:35] <tomreyn> oerheks: ^
[13:36] <Battle> 23,000 lines i cant even load the page XD
[13:37] <tomreyn> Battle: oh, then i did a mistake
[13:37] <oerheks> tomreyn, no, there are fixes, but it is a planned release AFAIK -- https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2018/06/firefox-61-released-with-faster-tab-switching-on-linux
[13:37] <oerheks> TLS 1.3 enabled by default
[13:37] <tomreyn> oerheks: i just found https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/security/advisories/mfsa2018-15/
[13:38] <oerheks> ..ouch
[13:38] <Gringonar> Hi
[13:39] <tomreyn> oerheks: that's pretty standard, though ;) - see the previous releases https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/security/known-vulnerabilities/firefox/
[13:39] <Gringonar> I have Kernel panic when trying ubuntu from usb
[13:39] <tomreyn> oerheks: just don't use your web browser to browse the wenb and you'll be safe!
[13:39] <Gringonar> How can i determine cause?
[13:39] <tomreyn> !md5 | Gringonar
[13:40] <AlexPortable> Is there an easy way to add MB to a file?
[13:42] <tomreyn> Gringonar: also https://tutorials.ubuntu.com/tutorial/tutorial-how-to-verify-ubuntu
[13:43] <oerheks> AlexPortable, add mb how? as name, as text?
[13:43] <tomreyn> AlexPortable: MB as in megabyzes? are you saying you want to append *any* data to a file?
[13:43] <AlexPortable> append *any* data to a photo or file
[13:43] <HackerZ> WE ARE HACKERZ
[13:43] <AlexPortable> without messing it up
[13:43] <oerheks> AlexPortable, some cryptographic data??
[13:43] <AlexPortable> the opposite of reducing
[13:44] <AlexPortable> doesn't matter really, i just need bigger filesize
[13:44] <tomreyn> HackerZ: congratulations. but posting this statement all by itself to #ubuntu just makes you look not too intelligent.
[13:45] <Gringonar> ok im looking for the offiial md5sum hashes
[13:45] <Gringonar> the download page dont seem to list it tho :(
[13:45] <HackerZ> SO
[13:46] <tomreyn> AlexPortable: i'm not sure whether there is a graphics file format where you could just append any random data to the end of the file and it would still be in the correct format.
[13:46] <AlexPortable> it is possible
[13:46] <HackerZ> so what do you guys usually do in here
[13:46] <tomreyn> Gringonar: where did you download from, or hwats the name of the iso file you downloaded?
[13:46] <oerheks> read the topic, HackerZ
[13:46] <Battle> Hackerpcs contemplate the meaning of life
[13:46] <leftyfb> HackerZ: try #ubuntu-offtopic. This is a support channel
[13:47] <oerheks> something like this, AlexPortable ? https://www.makeuseof.com/tag/hide-files-inside-images-linux/
[13:47] <oerheks> you are not very clear what you ask for
[13:47] <alexandre9099> kde neon is not supported here, right? do they have a channel?
[13:48] <tomreyn> Gringonar: also, do you have a concrete link for "the download page"?
[13:48] <oerheks> alexandre9099, #kubuntu might be able to help
[13:48] <tomreyn> Battle: how's smartctl coming? :)
[13:49] <Battle> oh sorry im not entirely sure how to use it haha, im googling at the moment XD
[13:49] <tomreyn> Battle: i think i provided the comand earlier
[13:49] <Battle> oh I musta missed it :o i will scroll
[13:49] <AlexPortable> oerheks: es, thanks
[13:50] <AlexPortable> yes*
[13:50] <HackerZ> this is a support channel?
[13:50] <HackerZ> im new here
[13:50] <tomreyn> Battle: smartctl -a /dev/sda
[13:51] <tomreyn> Battle: smartctl is part of the "smartmontools" package, "apt install smartmontools"
[13:51] <Battle> http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/XywWqyQZYT/
[13:51] <Battle> oh yes i installed it but didnt know how to use it till now, thank you :D
[13:51] <Battle> I saw smartctl -h which shows buncha stuff XD
[13:52] <tomreyn> Battle: this drive is pretty toast, have hetzner replace it.
[13:52] <Gringonar> tomreyn: https://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop
[13:52] <Battle> oh i see
[13:52] <Battle> which drive is it
[13:52] <Battle> ?
[13:53] <tomreyn> see lines 5 to 7
[13:53] <Battle> sorry stupid question
[13:53] <Battle> XD
[13:54] <Battle> is there anything i should do before i tell them to shutdown and take it out?
[13:54] <tomreyn> Gringonar: so after clicking on the download button there, you end up on a page where you can scroll down to "Verify your download", which brings you to the page i posted previously
[13:54] <Battle> like any commands to safely 'turn it off' from the rest of the system
[13:54] <Battle> and readd it after?
[13:54] <Battle> or is it a simple case that they jsut take it out, and plug the new one in, and it should be sync across?
[13:55] <tomreyn> Gringonar: step 3 of the tuorial explains how to get the checksums
[13:55] <Gringonar> The Md5sum matches with http://releases.ubuntu.com/18.04/MD5SUMS
[13:55] <tomreyn> Gringonar: here's the link again https://tutorials.ubuntu.com/tutorial/tutorial-how-to-verify-ubuntu
[13:56] <Gringonar> I used Rufus to create it
[13:57] <tomreyn> Battle: i don't know whether this can be hot swapped, you should probbaly ask support. if they do hot swapping then you can remove it off the raid array again, make sure you unmount any mounts and other active devices on it, and finally "echo 1 > /sys/block/sda/device/delete"
[13:58] <tomreyn> Gringonar: so if the md5sum of your download matches then at least your downloaded iso file is intact. but what you wrote to your usb key is maybe not.
[13:58] <dw1> please add brotli support to curl in the official repos. thx
[13:58] <DECTOPS20> use dd like applications when creating linux live devices. 3rd party software often make additions that may render the device unbootable.
[13:58] <tomreyn> dw1: feature requests will need to go to launchpad
[13:59] <Gringonar> How can i tell?
[13:59] <dw1> tomreyn: k
[13:59] <oerheks> dw1, add yourself to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/curl/+bug/1767578
[14:00] <dw1> aye, i upvoted it
[14:01] <dw1> pile on, guys ( ͡ᵔ ͜ʖ ͡ᵔ)
[14:01] <oerheks> :-)
[14:01] <tomreyn> Gringonar: the original issue was that you got a kernel panic during boot from this usb stick, right? did it happen right at the start or just a little later?
[14:02] <tomreyn> Gringonar: can you tell us about your hardware?
[14:03] <Gringonar> i only saw the ubunu splash image for a second
[14:03] <Gringonar> than i got a kernal panic
[14:03] <Gringonar> It's a brand new laptop
[14:03] <tomreyn> Battle: you should also "update-grub" and "grub-install /dev/sdb" before you have them replace the disk
[14:03] <oerheks> Gringonar, specs would help
[14:04] <Gringonar> MSI GE73 Raider 8rf
[14:04] <Gringonar> cpu I7 8750
[14:04] <Gringonar> NV 1070
[14:04] <tomreyn> can we get a shot of the kernel panic?
[14:04] <Gringonar> USB 3.1 Gen 2 10(Gbits)
[14:05] <Gringonar> NVM SSD
[14:05] <tomreyn> use your smartphone or whatever
[14:05] <Gringonar> uhm i cant do anything on that latop rn
[14:05] <Gringonar> it just ends the kernal panic
[14:05] <oerheks>  i7-8750H coffeelake with
[14:05] <oerheks> Intel® UHD Graphics 630
[14:05] <Gringonar> how do you want the "shot"
[14:05] <Gringonar> oh ok
[14:05] <oerheks> hd630, we used to have a fix for that ...
[14:06] <tomreyn> right, can you cause the kernel panic again, then use a smartphone or camera to take a photo and upload that?
[14:06] <Gringonar> give me a while
[14:06] <tomreyn> oerheks: you know what's cuasing it alreadY?
[14:07] <oerheks> hd630, GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet splash i915.alpha_support=1" >> https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2377324&p=13739391#post13739391
[14:07] <oerheks> not sure this is still valid on 4.15
[14:07] <DECTOPS20> Gringonar:  have you tried a different software other than rufus? you may want to use dd
[14:07] <oerheks> tomreyn,  i think so, and the restricted drivers ppa could help too
[14:08] <oerheks> but first this bootline, to get to the gui
[14:08] <Battle> tomreyn so according to my providers, they have an option to select replace HDD e.t.c and the reason, which is its defective. it then says you must provide 3 things, all of which i have, but it also then says to determine if the HDD is faulty, i should run: smartctl -H /dev/sda , and this will say either PASSED or FAILED, and that if its PASSED then the drive is ok according to them....
[14:08] <oerheks> DECTOPS20, if he was on apple, he could, but he is doing this on windows AFAIK
[14:09] <Battle> should i submit the request anyway...and expain that the smartctl is picking up tons of errors coz i saw it said something about 400+ errors...
[14:09] <tomreyn> oerheks: 4.17 supersedes i915.alpha_support according to https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Linux-4.17-Will-Be-Exciting
[14:09] <tomreyn> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1728313
[14:09] <oerheks> tomreyn, oke, but does not have 4.17 i hope?
[14:09] <tomreyn> oerheks: i think Gringonar is trying to boot bionic, so 4.15
[14:10] <oerheks> :-)
[14:10] <tomreyn> Gringonar: so the screenie is probably not needed.
[14:13] <tomreyn> Battle: so what does "smartctl -H /dev/sda" report?
[14:13] <Battle> tomreyn http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/vDhwzG5g76/
[14:14] <Battle> that pastebinit is a brilliant package
[14:14] <memphisto> tomreyn, Battle: i think it says Passed, but if you think its failing(and it has 400+ errors) i'd replace it
[14:15] <dw1> how can i grab the proper curl branch.. bzr branch lp:ubuntu/curl = fail
[14:15] <dw1> "not a branch"
[14:15] <tomreyn> Battle: well send them http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/XywWqyQZYT/ as well and tell them their criteria suck.
[14:16] <Battle> hah, yes, I think they want me to provide proof its faulty, if it passes that test
[14:16] <Battle> and i think this pastebin will/should do the trick...
[14:16] <Battle> i mean, 400+ errors on spinup cant be good..?
[14:17] <dw1> pull-lp-source works, nm
[14:17] <tomreyn> well those errors occurred a very long time ago. but then this disk is OLD.
[14:17] <tomreyn> Power_On_Hours 56050
[14:18] <tomreyn> ~6.5 years of power up
[14:18] <Gringonar> tomreyn: https://imgur.com/a/x481gKr
[14:18] <Gringonar> seems usb3 related?
[14:19] <tomreyn> Battle: maybe ass the pastebin of the syslog grep command which returned so many lines
[14:19] <Battle> ahhh okay
[14:19] <Gringonar> oh sata related?
[14:20] <tomreyn> Gringonar: where do you see usb3 / sata? it's just the lower end of the panic output, so actually not very useful, sorry.
[14:20] <Gringonar> ahcpi
[14:20] <tomreyn> Gringonar: i see "acpi", do you mean this?
[14:21] <tomreyn> !acpi
[14:21] <tomreyn> bah silly bot. so acpi is the "advanced configuration and power interface"
[14:22] <tomreyn> you could consider it a extension of the protocol the bios uses to talk to the OS and vice versa, roughly.
[14:23] <memphisto> Battle: which server is it? HP(E)?
[14:23] <tomreyn> it's mainly used during boot, poweroff, suspend + resume
[14:23] <Gringonar> oh ok which kernel does 18.04 lets use?
[14:23] <tomreyn> Gringonar: did you see what oerheks wrote above?
[14:24] <tomreyn> Gringonar: 18.04 uses kernel 4.15
[14:24] <Gringonar> Does it support the new cofee lake cpu?
[14:25] <Battle> memorynoise sorry im not sure I understand your question?
[14:25] <tomreyn> Gringonar: not fully, but we assume you will be able to boot and install using the "i915.alpha_support=1" kernel parameter
[14:26] <Gringonar> can that be related to the panic?
[14:26] <tomreyn> Battle, memorynoise: it was memphisto, who just left. tab completion mistake.
[14:26] <tomreyn> Gringonar: totally
[14:26] <Battle> oh crap sorry
[14:27] <Battle> he left
[14:27] <Battle> :(
[14:27] <tomreyn> Battle: happens all the time ;) dont forget to tell hetzner they can remove the lara now ;)
[14:27] <Battle> remove lara? :o
[14:28] <tomreyn> you have this KVM device connected to your system, or had it earlier
[14:28] <Battle> ohhhhhhhhhhh
[14:28] <Battle> yes its still connected
[14:28] <Battle> incase when i rebooted it didnt come to life
[14:28] <Battle> lol
[14:29] <Battle> so apparently, its still syncing the data
[14:29] <Battle> and will take 3hours
[14:29] <Battle> -_-
[14:29] <tomreyn> and it'll probably just fail again at some point
[14:29] <Battle> yeah
[14:29] <Battle> all this happening has reminded me of something...
[14:30] <Battle> when i first got this dedi, i had to install the OS twice
[14:30] <Battle> the first time, it worked and was fine, no errors, i started to install things i needed, and transfering data e.t.c onto it
[14:30] <Battle> then rebooted at somepoint and it wouldnt boot, because of issues like this....but worse....
[14:31] <Battle> it was to do with the drives/devices/raid e.t.c cant recall exactly..and i had to install again, and it worked fine then, i just assumed something went wrong during the install...
[14:31] <Battle> but perhaps that was the first sign
[14:32] <tomreyn> Battle: you should always run hardware / load tests / benchmarks against a rented dedicated server before you start using it. this should include long smart self tests.
[14:33] <Battle> yeah i was plagued with a lot of problems prior to getting this server and was eager to get things doen and over with lol
[14:33] <Battle> i will do this in future thats for sure
[14:33] <Battle> also this HDD has been active for 36,000 hours, that seems like a hell of a lot?
[14:34] <Battle> i mean, i know its on 24/7 but still?
[14:34] <tomreyn> Battle: i read 56050 for sda, where did you see 36,000?
[14:35] <Battle> Error 420 occurred at disk power-on lifetime: 36458 hours (1519 days + 2 hours)
[14:35] <tomreyn> oh that's when the errors occurred, long time ago
[14:35] <Battle> ohhhhhhhhhh
[14:35] <Battle> so it error'd back then
[14:36] <Battle> and hasnt error'd since then?
 well those errors occurred a very long time ago. but then this disk is OLD.
 Power_On_Hours 56050
 ~6.5 years of power up
[14:36] <Battle> sorry, im blind clearly XD
[14:36] <tomreyn> ;)
[14:36] <Battle> i now see the bottom of the paste about the 55hours too, yes so thats kinda a long time...
[14:36] <Leoneof> your old hdd is hero
[14:36] <tomreyn> smart didnt record critical errors since. but that doesn't mean the OS didnt
[14:36] <Battle> i think my home HDDs are about 4 years old, i do have an old 500gb which is like 8 years old i think
[14:37] <Battle> yeah i figured as much
[14:37] <tomreyn> these are consumer HDDs, powered 24/7, and not meant to be.
[14:37] <Battle> ah i see
[14:38] <Battle> there was an option to get enterprise version HDD
[14:38] <Battle> which i assume are more suitable for 24/7 running, but it was suggested that unless you're doing a heavy heavy amount of workload, which we're not really... then it wasnt worth it
[14:38] <Battle> so i didnt
[14:38] <Battle> :o
[14:39] <jamesd__> harddrives perfered to be powered 24/7 365....  shuttting them down shortens there life. i have drives in use for years no issues, i think i have had 1 harddrive out of 30 die in the last 5 years at home.  its vibration in drives that are up constantly that kills them usually.
[14:40] <Battle> *touch wood* at home, i havent had any HDDs fail except 1 , and that was when i was a kid XD
[14:40] <Battle> i tend to just get new HDD when i need more space...as a pose to them breaking down, this is what puts me off of SSDs... they die quicker apparently.... so you sacrifice lifespan for speed
[14:41] <Battle> i mean, my mates PC turns on in a blink of an eye....he has a SSD, which is nice and all....but still, i rather have a PC in 5 years time than having to replace the SSD XD
[14:42] <Battle> getting back on topic however, i have sent a message to hetzner, to ask them about this, ive posted the logs to them and explained briefly the issues we encountered...and will await their response
[14:42] <tomreyn> Battle: instead of replacing the drive, you could also consider replacing the server actually. if you've had this for a couple lyears, you'll get more performance for the smae, or the same performance for a lower price now.
[14:42] <Battle> yeah thats what we literally just did
[14:43] <Battle> we had our old machine (which was the same spec) at a much higher price, for the last x years
[14:43] <Battle> so we "rebought" the same spec server, for a much cheaper price
[14:43] <Battle> was tempting to upgrade....but im trying to reduce costs at the moment so i figured id just do this for now
[14:44] <tomreyn> hmm they might try to prevent handing out new disks then.
[14:44] <Battle> with the lower cost, i got a few extra IPs thoughs o i can run qemu
[14:44] <tomreyn> but then disks are cheap, and they can give you preowned ones
[14:44] <Battle> they will give me pre-owned , im positive
[14:45] <Battle> the request you submit for a drive replacement, explained a bunch of stuff including the fact that they will give you preowned drives that are tested, confirmed to be working and stable
[14:45] <Battle> "Free replacement of your defective hard disk drive with a nearly new or used and tested drive (depending on stock)."
[14:45] <Battle> to be exact
[14:45]  * tomreyn did it before ;)
[14:45] <Battle> ah XD
[14:46] <Battle> can they really refuse to replace a faulty hdd? if the drive is actually faulty they have to replace it, surly?
[14:46] <Gringonar> I don't know how to proceed :(
[14:47] <Gringonar> I don't want to use windows 10 on the new laptop
[14:47] <Battle> its like buying a toaster from a store, but the handle doesnt work, so you have to manually hold it down for the desired time.... i mean, whilst it could probably work for awhile...you shouldnt be forced to do it this way
[14:47] <Battle> they also give you an option to buy a HDD, but this option seems even more rediculous to be honest....
[14:48] <Battle> "Provided it is available, replacement at cost (one-off charge of € 49.41) of your defective disk drive with a guaranteed nearly new drive (< 1000 hours of operation)."
[14:48] <Battle> if you're paying for a new HDD to be added to a rented dedicated server (which at somepoint you will obvously switch away from) , it seems really expensive to not only get a new hdd for a limited time but the new hdd isnt actually new either..
[14:48] <Battle> XD
[14:51] <Battle> tomreyn, quick question....if i reboot the system after this re-syncing is complete. should the sda1 and sdb1 drives both come up in the raid this time?
[15:08] <phinxy> Where could /etc/netplan/eth0.yaml have come from?  It's not something i added and its not even configured for NetworkManager but instead networkd.
[15:10] <max3> how do i find the device id of an integrated laptop webcam?
[15:10] <max3> lsusb doesn't show t
[15:11] <EriC^^_> max3: lsusb -v maybe?
[15:11] <tomreyn> Gringonar: hold on, i'll be with you shortly to guide you
[15:12] <tomreyn> Gringonar: restart your computer and hold down the shift key, this should bring up grub prompt. does this work=?
[15:13] <phinxy> max3• does dmesg show any messages when you plug in the webcam?
[15:13] <max3> phinxy, it's builtin to the laptop
[15:14] <max3> i guess i don't know what the device id is. pretty sure this is the camera under lsusb Bus 001 Device 002: ID 0c45:6a06 Microdia
[15:14] <max3> but 2 isn't the correct device id?
[15:15] <max3> is it the base64(??) string
[15:15] <phinxy> manufacturer ID : device ID  .. or was it the other way around? 0c45:6a06
[15:15] <oerheks_> ID 0c45:6a06
[15:15] <tomreyn> Battle: unless assmbling the raid fails during boot, and unless the non-mathching hostname prevents it, yes. you can edit the hostname in /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf, then update-initramfs -k all -u
[15:17] <tomreyn> max3: you can "sudo update-usbids", which will get the latest usb device descriptions form the internet. lsusb *may* then provide better textual output.
[15:22] <Battle> tomreyn i rebooted and it all came online fine, sda1 and sdb1 are both part of the raid and appear okay
[15:22] <Battle> at least for now lol
[15:23] <Battle> one thing to note however, is /home failed to unmount during the shutdown process again
[15:25] <programmerjohn> uh, hey
[15:26] <tomreyn> Battle: i'd postpone looking into why home doesn't unmount properly until the HDD is sorted out. if you'd like to look mor einto it now, check syslog for when you shutdown.
[15:26] <Battle> yeah i think we'l wait for the new HDD first
[15:26] <Battle> and see what happens there
[15:32] <mrchairman> i'm looking for a chatroom where I can just talk about tech stuff, anyone have any cool suggestions?
[15:32] <mrchairman> i forgot ubuntu-offtopic
[15:34] <Battle> tomreyn they came back and agreed, that things really dont look good and they want to replace it for me so thats one hurdle over lol
[15:38] <tomreyn> Battle: good news there. :) will they hot swap then?
[15:39] <Battle> tomreyn not entirely sure right now, ive sent back a message asking them to advise exactly what i must do before i give the go ahead to replace the HDD. so they should advise if its possibel to just hot swap or if i must do things
[15:41] <Battle> I sense we cannot hot swap if im honest, their website advises that we must remove the drive from all partitions or something
[15:41] <tomreyn> well, you'll see
[15:41] <kuberon> Hey tomreyn, back, thanks for sticking around, found out I do have enough time, I didn't find a new satacable im kinda short, I just used another one in the PC, I didn't do more testing with cables I just see 860EVO detected now and okay in Gparted and got smart info
[15:42] <kuberon> it's hooked up to the same Sata Port tho, also I was using this SSD with the Cooler Master X-Dock, it has some kind of electical circuitry to produce a 3.3V line off the 5V, i disonnected that as well
[15:42] <tomreyn> kuberon: what did you do, though? did you do the self-recovery thing?
[15:44] <kuberon> tomreyn: oh no not yet im leaving that after doing some less risky stuff, I only went for lunch and walk outside while there is sunny, and got back now, I still want to try clonezilla first, but that will have to wait I need to finish chores first, if I'm done with them, the time that's left i can do more here
[15:45] <kuberon> https://pastebin.com/ZZ5uf9jg
[15:45] <kuberon> otherwise I'll be able to continue in a couple of days, mid next week earliest.
[15:48] <kuberon> tomreyn: changed cable, hooked different sata power, disconnected Cooler Master X-Dock, same sata port, posted smart info https://pastebin.com/ZZ5uf9jg
[15:49] <kuberon> I did got the SSD to detect in BIOS before, without chaning cables, disconnecting anything, it just took a hard power off
[15:50] <kuberon> after a BSOD, it usually didn't detect it on a normal reboot
[15:50] <kuberon> reset*
[15:55] <tomreyn> kuberon: the smart output for the 860 looks fine
[15:58] <yinye> I think I might have messed up my sources.list file: https://paste.ofcode.org/TgbmqqwgjFwzKZETQMxH4m
[16:02] <yinye> I tried to follow some instructions to update from 17.04 to 18.04, but got things messed up doing so. Here is the error I am getting on attempting an update operation: https://paste.ofcode.org/6E5Pr7RKyF4eVS2gciSd38
[16:02] <yinye> Please help, so I can successfully update my computer.
[16:02] <kuberon> tomreyn: thanks
[16:03] <kuberon> tomreyn: anything I could do with the ntfs FS repair, I know all the tools, but do you have another idea?
[16:03] <kuberon> tomreyn: it already corrupted the index file of one of  my GIT repository
[16:04] <kuberon> other than that I think it's good I should just go straight and do a clonezilla failsafe image first
[16:04] <forester> Hi. Where is openjdk-9 in the repository? And openjdk-11 is mature to install?
[16:04] <tomreyn> kuberon: ddrescue the entire disk from ubuntu before you make any changes (or repairs) to it frist of all
[16:05] <ioria> yinye, The repository 'http://repo.bigstepcloud.com/ubuntu bionic Release' does not have a Release file.  quite explanatory
[16:06] <yinye> ioria, Doing lsb_release suggests the upgrade as not successful: https://paste.ofcode.org/gUGNe8jh8qBQitZPkd5WnW
[16:07] <ioria> yinye, http://repo.bigstepcloud.com/ubuntu-releases/   ... no bionic 18.04
[16:07] <ioria> yinye, wrong repositories
[16:07] <tomreyn> ioria: you need to use a mirror server which has a ciopy of ubuntu bionic, so 18.04
[16:08] <ioria> yinye, ^ tomreyn
[16:08] <oerheks> 17.04 .... remove the  /etc/apt/sources.list.d/<bigstepcloud>.list
[16:08] <yinye> ioria, tomreyn: I don't quite get you.
[16:08] <kuberon> tomreyn: indeed ofcourse, I did that before when I tried to clone old Win7 off this 128GB SSD to a 850EVO (3ssds total, yeah not 860, but its not connected), the old Win7 install was so broken I had to get rid of it and stick with fresh Win10(heavily tweaked tho muhaha) and i'll do new win7 in future , but here again linux keeps proving it self yet again in such situation
[16:08] <tomreyn> forester: which ubuntu release is this
[16:09] <kuberon> I'm just not that of a linux geek, could someone remind me where do I list past terminal commands?
[16:09] <forester> ubuntu Mate 18.04
[16:09] <kuberon> without having to keep pressing UP key
[16:09] <forester> tomreyn: Please see above.
[16:09] <ioria> yinye, why are you using those servers ?
[16:09] <forester> tomreyn: 18.04 ubuntu Mate
[16:10] <oerheks> 18.04 gives openjdk8 and 11
[16:10] <tomreyn> forester: thats amd64?
[16:10] <kuberon> bah I did DDrescue on linux mint, not on this ubuntu
[16:10] <forester> tomreyn: no. 32
[16:10] <yinye> ioria, I haven't done anything custom. I think they all came with it.
[16:10] <Jack3k3> im having some strange issue in ubuntu, i a mounted ntfs disk that im copying files to, one of the files gives me an error saying "operation not permitted". the weird thing is I can copy this file elsewhere on my linux machine, and I can even re-name the file and copy it to the ntfs drive
[16:11] <ioria> yinye, i don't think so
[16:11] <EriC^^_> Jack3k3: it might have a character in it that doesnt work with ntfs
[16:11] <forester> tomreyn: I am going to try install 11 instead installed 9 version.
[16:12] <forester> tomreyn: sorry for typo. 8 version
[16:12] <Jack3k3> EriC^^_, thats what I thought as it has a long file name, but the filename is only 240 characters, max is 255 on ntfs. And I even manually created a file of the same size in the ntfs folder on my windows machine and it worked fine
[16:12] <Battle> tomreyn the HDD has been replaced :o
[16:12] <yinye> oerheks, I have no bigstepcloud: https://paste.ofcode.org/cS3ejCeNktXFHbvQxVXuWH
[16:12] <tomreyn> forester: ok, good luck.
[16:13] <forester> tomreyn: thanks
[16:13] <yinye> ioria, How can I reset everything without a fresh install? I  don't mind losing much on the system.
[16:13] <Jack3k3> hm i guess it was a folder depth / combined name length issue
[16:13] <ioria> yinye, change servers   http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/
[16:14] <tomreyn> Battle: guess you'll need to sync again
[16:15] <ory> hello
[16:16] <tomreyn> !apt | yinye
[16:16] <ory> can i ask assistance on apt fast installation..it always shows unmet dependecy for aria
[16:16] <Battle> tomreyn when it comes to putting back the partition table , i backed up in both mbr and gpt, which one should i restore?
[16:16] <tomreyn> yinye: sorry, wrong factoid, ignore it
[16:17] <Battle> their guide said to backup the partition table thing, and so i did both...to be safe
[16:18] <tomreyn> Battle: well which one was there? you dont / cant have both at the same time
[16:18] <Battle> yeah thats what i thought.... logicallys peaking but it seems that the backup commands, gave content for both GPT and MBR which makes nos ense to me XD
[16:18] <Battle> this is the guide i followed: https://wiki.hetzner.de/index.php/Festplattenaustausch_im_Software-RAID/en
[16:19] <Battle> if you scroll to the bit about backing up mbr/gpt, it gave instructions on how to do it for each, so i assumed, like you said, i can only ahve 1...so if i tried mbr and gpt, one of them will fail or give files with 0 content which then tells me what one is it that i have....
[16:19] <Battle> however, both GPT and MBR files generated contain data...
[16:20] <Battle> this being said, I assume it must be GPT because I have a 3TB hdd ?
[16:20] <tomreyn> Battle: see what sdb has. parted /dev/sdb print
[16:20] <tomreyn> probably gpt
[16:21] <Battle> ahhh partitiont able: GPT
[16:21] <Battle> good, thats what i would of thought too....
[16:21] <tomreyn> ory: what is "apt fast installation"?
[16:22] <Battle> okay so its syncing across at the moment by looks of it :D
[16:22] <Battle> surprisingly quite easy to replace a faulty hdd...
[16:22] <Battle> well, so far..., i shouldnt ginx it...
[16:22] <ory> tomreyn: it is for downloading in parallel mode
[16:22] <kuberon> wait
[16:23] <kuberon> linux can't write to NTFS?
[16:23] <yinye> I disabled some software through the GUI, so this is what I have now: https://paste.ofcode.org/fM3tf4vXK7a9EfYF6DMzxD
[16:23] <kuberon> where on earth am I going to get space to ddrescue 256 GB
[16:23] <tomreyn> ory: i believe apt does this by default since 14.04 or so
[16:23] <ory> tomreyn:  no need for apt-fast then?
[16:24] <tomreyn> ory: if it's just about parallel downloads, then you dont need it. if it's about segmented downloading, then you may still want to keep it.
[16:25] <tomreyn> kuberon: on another disk supposedly :)
[16:26] <tomreyn> kuberon: and yes, linux can write to ntfs if the file system is clean.
[16:27] <tomreyn> ory: https://github.com/ilikenwf/apt-fast suggests this does segmented downloads. i don't see why anyone would need this, but if you really care that much about having your downloads faster... keep using it i guess.
[16:28] <ory> tomreyn: nvm.its troublesome installing it anyways :D
[16:28] <kuberon> tomreyn: can't make new folder with dolphin
[16:29] <tomreyn> !terminal | kuberon
[16:29] <Battle> [>....................]  recovery =  2.8% (37169984/1327385024) finish=758.6min speed=28342K/sec
[16:29] <Battle> this is gonna take awhile....
[16:30] <tomreyn> kuberon: try "mkdir" on the temrinal
[16:30] <kuberon> I tried sudo nautilus, nothing
[16:30] <kuberon> well maybe ddrescue can make it directly
[16:31] <oerheks> sudo + filemanager does not work on 18.04/wayland, open terminal for those actions
[16:31] <kuberon> this wasn't a problem in linux mint, I did it all there
[16:31] <yinye> I disabled some software through the GUI, so this is what I have now: https://paste.ofcode.org/fM3tf4vXK7a9EfYF6DMzxD
[16:31] <yinye> Using Software and Updates
[16:31] <agm_> check your mount configuration
[16:31] <littledot> oerheks sudo apt install mc
[16:31] <yinye> I also changed to US server.
[16:32] <yinye> How can I solve the remaining error?: https://paste.ofcode.org/fM3tf4vXK7a9EfYF6DMzxD
[16:32] <littledot> oerheks sudo apt install gksu
[16:32] <oerheks> gksu is depreciated, see the releasenotes
[16:32] <tomreyn> yinye: what's the output of "lsb_release -ds"?
[16:32] <kuberon> tomreyn: read only file system
[16:32] <oerheks> !releasenotes
[16:32] <yinye> tomreyn, Ubuntu 17.04
[16:33] <kuberon> maybe it had to do something with gparted, I know mounting isn't possible when gparted running in linux mint, but i closed it down on this ubuntu
 kuberon: and yes, linux can write to ntfs if the file system is clean.
[16:33] <tomreyn> i guess it's not clean then
 hdd or flash?
[16:34] <tomreyn> !zesty | yinye
[16:34] <littledot> tnks oerheks
[16:35] <yinye> tomreyn, Yes, so what do you suggest? (Please don't suggest a fresh install.)
[16:35] <oerheks> more info: https://itsfoss.com/gksu-replacement-ubuntu/
[16:35] <maazid_> is ubuntu better than windows sir ?
[16:35] <kuberon> agm_ hdd
[16:36] <oerheks> maazid_, yes, ubuntu support is great.
[16:36] <tomreyn> !eolupgrade | yinye resinstall or
 check conf in /etc/fstab
[16:36] <kuberon> tomreyn: some errors were shown when mounting: "already mounted" i dismounted all of them and now they disappeared off the list
[16:36] <jamesd__> maazid_: does ubuntu do what you need it to do, either better, faster, easier? then yes, if  not if you put more value on cost than time then ubuntu is still better because its free.
[16:36] <yinye> How do I fix this: E: Problem executing scripts APT::Update::Post-Invoke-Success 'if /usr/bin/test -w /var/cache/app-info -a -e /usr/bin/appstreamcli; then appstreamcli refresh-cache > /dev/null; fi'
[16:37] <maazid_> im currently using lubuntu, cuz the ram usage is small
[16:37] <oerheks> maazid_, there is also #lubuntu here on #freenode
[16:37] <maazid_> oof
[16:37] <jamesd__> maazid_: yeah i just installed lubuntu in a vm on my work laptop, ubutnu default gui is a resource pig.
[16:37] <littledot> maazid_ what the window manager in lubuntu ?
[16:38] <oerheks> maazid_, ubuntu mate might be fun too, for your hardware
[16:38] <kuberon> agm_ there's only a file called fstab with the ubuntu install disk partitions
[16:38] <oerheks> !flavors
[16:39] <tomreyn> kuberon: make sure you really have unmounted all copies, then run ntfsfix agains tthe device node, then mount it again
[16:39] <kuberon> What if I just try rebooting, and not running gparted first
[16:39] <de-facto> How can i get AAC audio decoder for gstreamer (totem) on ubuntu 18.04? it offers to search, but the software dialogue only shows me three options to REMOVE (!). wth is that?
[16:39] <kuberon> there's no way all 5 HDDs are corrupt
[16:40] <Battle> tomreyn what may cause smartctl -a to not show powered on time ?
[16:40] <kuberon> brb
 you have add in this file your own row like: "UUID=311DCBDC3A8C54B9 /media/diskd/	ntfs rw,noatime,defaults	0	2"
[16:41] <tomreyn> Battle: not knowing the device model or the device not providing this information
 where UUID - blkid of your HDD
[16:41] <Battle> i see
and /media/diskd/ - dirr where you want to mount your partition
[16:42] <jamesd__> kuberon you underestimate, entropy....  the controller could fail, and write bad data to all disks ;-p
[16:42] <Battle> tomreyn Device is:        In smartctl database [for details use: -P show] does that mean it knows the device? coz it has device model listed aboev an everything?
[16:43] <Battle> so i assume the device just isnt providing this info i guess :(
[16:43] <Battle> neither HDD is, the original WD and the new toshiba
[16:43] <tomreyn> Battle: yes this means smart knows this device
[16:45] <tomreyn> Battle: can you "for dev in sda sdb; do smartctl -a /dev/$dev; done | pastebinit"
[16:45] <Battle> tomreyn okay, so just not providing, crap, wanted to see how old this "new" hdd is lol
[16:46] <Battle> http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/HHXSvwgsjr/
[16:46] <Battle> ahh the WD is showing, just not the toshiba one
[16:46] <tomreyn> Battle: search this for Power_On_Hours
[16:46] <tomreyn> both show
[16:47] <Battle> ohhhhhhh
[16:47] <Battle> so 0 ?
[16:47] <tomreyn> thats what it says, yes
[16:47] <Battle> so this is new new? not new but old?
[16:47] <Battle> cool XD
[16:48] <Battle> i thought it was just not showing values....
[16:48] <jamesd__> Battle: check the number again in an hour of use.. if the number doesn't increase, than the HD doesn't support that functionality.
[16:48] <tomreyn> Battle: brand new disk for all we know.
[16:48] <Battle> well its taking agesssssssss to sync it hink this is gonna take a day or two....
[16:49] <Battle> i think*
[16:49] <Battle> okay jamesd__ good idea, ill see what happens in an hour
[16:50] <jamesd__> yes.. resync is the major downfall of RAID...  if Nth disk fails before data is rebuilt, your data is toast, with N being 1 for mirror, raid5, and N=2 for raid6, raidz2
[16:51] <Battle> :(
[16:51] <tomreyn> Battle: it was your choice to keep the old hardware (with an old sata controller) ;)
[16:51] <tomreyn> but it's not like you need to stand by while it resyncs
[16:51] <Battle> yeah, $$$
[16:52] <nolsen> Nginx keeps trying to use php7.1-fpm somewhere after upgrading to 18.04 from 17.10, and I cannot find that "upstream" location.
[16:52] <Battle> true, i will just go do something in the mean time, and see what happens at the end when i can restart the ssytem
[16:52] <nolsen> And php7.1-fpm was removed from the repos for some reason, how do I fix this?
[16:52] <Battle> i wonder about the unmounting of /home now
[16:53] <Battle> this also explains why when i was trying to backup data before rebooting system, i couldnt move anything into /home
[16:53] <Battle> but things inside of /home are fine XD
[16:53] <Battle> i dunno, its weird..
[16:54] <oerheks> php7.2-fpm perhaps, nolsen ?
[16:54] <ory> can i ask help for hash mismatch?
[16:55] <tomreyn> ory: if it's ubuntu related, just ask
[16:55] <ory> almost used all of the steps here : https://askubuntu.com/questions/41605/trouble-downloading-packages-list-due-to-a-hash-sum-mismatch-error#41618
[16:55] <Battle> tomreyn thank you very much for all the help today
[16:56] <tomreyn> Battle: welcome. none of this really explains the /home unmoount issue. but you'll see if it's fixed at some point. and if not, just come around again
[16:58] <Battle> tomreyn yeah I think the /home issue is a seperate thing entirely, from a brief google search it seems to be a notorious issue in ubuntu from back in 10.x days, im sure there's a resolution to it, but i havent looked into it at any great length, it works so far and data isnt lost...so i will look into it a bit more once the resync, reboot is done and no issues there
[16:58] <tomreyn> ory: what is the issue you'r trying to solve there
[16:58] <tomreyn> ory: any error messages you can show
[16:59] <ory> https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/wbnHdHr5fQ/
[17:00] <tomreyn> Battle: i doubt its a general issue since 10.04 lts, unless it's a *real* corner case, but eeven then it's unlikely.
[17:01] <tomreyn> but yes, you'll see this later
[17:01] <oerheks> i386 is 2 hrs behind,.. https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+mirror/it-mirrors.evowise.com-archive, but servers seems oke
[17:02] <oerheks> err https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+mirror/ny-mirrors.evowise.com-archive
[17:03] <tomreyn> ory: did you make any changes to your apt configuration recently?
[17:04] <blackswan> hi. stupid ubuntu/ldap question. i don't have an /etc/ldap/slapd.conf file - is it used if i create it?
[17:04] <blackswan> or does tls configuration have to be done with ldapmodify?
[17:04] <ory> just the server @ system settings > software updates > download from
[17:04] <tomreyn> ory: see this, also the 3nd answer https://askubuntu.com/questions/41605/trouble-downloading-packages-list-due-to-a-hash-sum-mismatch-error
[17:05] <tomreyn> * 2nd answer
[17:06] <ory> sigh
[17:07] <agm_> what is snap and why it overload my hdd with Skype installed?
[17:09] <blackswan> overload?
[17:09] <agm_> it freez my ubuntu
[17:09] <oerheks> snaps are software packages, and overload is vague
[17:10] <oerheks> skype eating system resources?
 skype eating my hdd io
 input output overload
[17:11] <tomreyn> blackswan: if this is openldap, then i would think so, although the better place is probably /etc/ldap/slapd.d/
[17:11] <agm_> after deleted Skype and install it with apt all over
[17:12] <oerheks> then why do you ask why, as you no longer can give valuable information?
[17:12] <blackswan> it is. slapd.d has stuff with names like 'cn=config' and 'cn=config.ldif' that makle me afraid to touch it lest my changes be clobbered by some automated thing
 because i steel use snap with other packages
 where I can read snap documantation?
[17:16] <tomreyn> man snap?
[17:16] <leftyfb> agm_: snap packages are just software packages. Just like .deb. Just because something is a snap does not mean it overloads anything. It sounds like the VERSION of skype available as a snap has a problem on your system but the VERSION of skype available as a deb does not
[17:17] <oerheks> https://docs.snapcraft.io/ and https://tutorials.ubuntu.com/tutorial/basic-snap-usage
[17:17] <designbybeck> was trying to install Nvidia drivers on Kubuntu 18.04 but it keeps hanging at 90% at Building initial module for 4.15.0-23-generic
[17:17] <leftyfb> agm_: to simplify, your issue is the different versions of skype, nothing to do with it being a snap
[17:17] <designbybeck> Any ideas?
[17:17] <leftyfb> designbybeck: how long did you wait?
[17:17] <designbybeck> this is the 2nd time...been about 20mins now
[17:18] <designbybeck> i7 8gb ram
[17:18] <oerheks> skype does not make logs by default, one needs to create the log folder in ~/.skype/ and restart skype to get a log
[17:18] <oerheks> but that is all history now
[17:18] <blackswan> snapd(8): -F: If  a  valid  config directory exists then the default config file is ignored.
[17:18] <leftyfb> designbybeck: how are you trying to install the drivers exactly and which version?
[17:18] <designbybeck> leftyfb: was trying this way: https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/hpc/The-Best-Way-To-Install-Ubuntu-16-04-with-NVIDIA-Drivers-and-CUDA-1097/
[17:19] <designbybeck> well that was the first way, but then I tried this: https://linoxide.com/linux-how-to/install-nvidia-drivers-ubuntu/
[17:19] <designbybeck> leftyfb: that last one is the one it is currently sitting at 90%
[17:20] <leftyfb> designbybeck: open the "drivers" utility and pick the latest nvidia driver. That's it
[17:20] <designbybeck> hmmm, should I just CtrlZ out of this term leftyfb?
[17:20] <leftyfb> designbybeck: what is running?
 thanks
[17:21] <leftyfb> gotta go
[17:21] <designbybeck> leftyfb: the last command that got me here was sudo apt install nvidia-driver-396
[17:21] <designbybeck> thanks for the feedback leftyfb
[17:21] <tomreyn> designbybeck: i'd say ctrl-c, then uninstall all those nono-packages installers you downloaded, then do what leftyfb said
[17:21] <leftyfb> designbybeck: kill it, remove it, make sure you can install packages, then use the drivers util
[17:22] <designbybeck> ok thanks tomreyn and leftyfb I'l give that a go
[17:22] <tomreyn> "nono-packages" -> "non-packaged", sorry ;)
 ok, thanks for explain. But why snap makes mounts for every intalled package?
[17:23] <designbybeck> tomreyn: if it says it is lockeck when trying a purge, do I have to just restart the computer?
 will try turn on skype log and see
[17:24] <tomreyn> designbybeck: lockeck?
[17:24] <tomreyn> and what is "it"?
[17:24] <designbybeck> locked sorry tomreyn
[17:25] <designbybeck> says is another process using it
[17:26] <tomreyn> designbybeck: then stop the other installation process you have running (in another windows probably). there can only be one apt/dpkg software installation at a time.
[17:26] <designbybeck> this is the only one that was running
[17:26] <tomreyn> designbybeck: then try again now and it should work.
[17:27] <designbybeck> tomreyn: closed out of it, tried the purge command again: says locked is another prcoess using  it
[17:27] <designbybeck> but I don't have any other system upgrade stuff opened
[17:27] <designbybeck> or running
[17:27] <tomreyn> designbybeck: ps auxw | grep dpkg
[17:28] <tomreyn> designbybeck: also: ps auxw | grep apt
[17:28] <designbybeck> tomreyn: https://hastebin.com/urujojemab.pl
[17:29] <designbybeck> tomreyn: and looks like apt was running in the bg as well
[17:29] <tomreyn> designbybeck: so there's another one running, apparently waiting for input by root
[17:29] <ioria> smell another dkms issue
[17:30] <tomreyn> designbybeck: i got to go. try killing it if you can't regain control of the tty
[17:31] <designbybeck> thanks for the help tomreyn
[17:31] <tomreyn> !info reptyr
[17:34] <memo1> hi friends. I have a computer with 5 network interfaces.  I want to set 4 of them as dchp servers, to connect some cameras on every interface.  I follow instruccions installing isc-dhcp-server but whre running the service failed, saying no listening interface.  I need to add the interfaces on /etc/network/interfaces?
[17:34] <Jonta> memo1: Which instructions?
[17:36] <memo1> Jonta: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/isc-dhcp-server
[18:01] <hxmuller> morning, how do I temporarily stop GDM from restarting pulseaudio?
[18:01] <hxmuller> er, afternoon that is
[18:02] <dangelov> hey folks. Is there an easy way to disable the GPU during installation? The one on my laptop is busted and it keeps getting stuck
[18:02] <dangelov> on OpenSuse, it was "brokenmodules=radeon"
[18:02] <dangelov> but not sure what the equivalent here is
[18:02] <dangelov> sorry for the bad timing, hxmuller :)
[18:03] <ioria> hxmuller, maybe  autospawn = no
[18:04] <hxmuller> ioria: did that in etc and in .config/pulse
[18:04] <ioria> hxmuller, /var/lib/gdm3/.config/pulse/client.conf   ?
[18:07] <ioria> dangelov, try nomodeset ,but not clear to me what you mean with 'busted'
[18:07] <hxmuller> ioria: not client.conf not present there ..., just default.pa which points to /etc/pulse/default.pa
[18:08] <ioria> hxmuller,  touch one if not existing ?
[18:08] <dangelov> ioria: i had already tried that, and i tried radeon.runpm=0, though it's entirely possible i didn't add them on the correct line. By busted i mean broken, not working. I ran it disabled under win7, so the OS used the integrated one instead
[18:09] <hxmuller> blacklisting, but I don't know the current method for that
[18:09] <hxmuller> ioria: great idea, will  try
[18:09] <ioria> good luck
[18:10] <ioria> dangelov, what is , radeon ?
[18:11] <dangelov> yeah
[18:11] <ioria> dangelov, nouveau.modeset=0  edit the linux kernel line in grub
[18:11] <dangelov> ioria: ok, let me give it a try right now
[18:14] <hxmuller> I've managed to install Bionic Beaver on a B350M board with a Ryzen 3 2200g if anyone is interested.
[18:14] <ioria> dangelov, sorry mate ...  radeon.modeset=0
[18:16] <dangelov> ioria: np, radeon worked :) i got the logo to appear, thanks! i think the install will go through now
[18:16] <ioria> dangelov, ok
[18:19] <hxmuller> ioria: adding client.conf didn't work, I restarted the box, killed pulseaudio and it came back to life. I guess I have to look at gdm to see if there's some configuration there I can tinker  with
[18:20] <ioria> hxmuller, what did you put in /var/lib/gdm3/.pulse/client.conf   ?
[18:21] <Furai> Can you use newer Kernels with ubuntu? Or will that cause a lot of headaches?
[18:22] <lafleurdubien> Furai: you can if you're ok with it breaking your system occasionally.
[18:22] <Furai> I guess, I'm ok, I can always choose in grub other kernel to start system with, right/
[18:22] <Furai> /
[18:23] <lafleurdubien> Furai: I'd say if its in production or not backed up, don't upgrade Kernel.
[18:23] <lafleurdubien> you can as long as you don't delete the old kernel
[18:23] <Furai> Nah, just my desktop.
[18:23] <hxmuller> ioria: I copied /etc/pulse/client.conf contaiing 'autospawn = now' into /var/lib/gdm3/.pulse/
[18:23] <hxmuller> 'autospawn = no' that is
[18:23] <Furai> lafleurdubien, thanks, I'll try it out then some day.
[18:24] <ioria> hxmuller,  append   daemon-binary = /bin/true
[18:24] <lafleurdubien> there's a utitlity called  Ukuu that might be of assistance https://github.com/teejee2008/ukuu
[18:24] <hxmuller> Furai: depends. I use a stable kernel on this box, on my newer box, I have to use a development kernel
[18:25] <Furai> Do I need ukuu though? Can't I just download deb files from kernel.ubuntu.com and install those?
[18:25] <lafleurdubien> hxmuller: out of curiosity, what do you need dev kernel for?
[18:25] <lafleurdubien> @furai you sure can
[18:26] <Furai> I guess ukuu will just do all of that for me, which is probably better.
[18:26] <hxmuller> on my AB350M / Ryzen 3 2200g box, new firware and kernel code requires a fresh kernel
[18:26] <hxmuller> even fresher than Bionic Beaver
[18:27] <Furai> lafleurdubien, would you recommend using ukuu or going the manual way?
[18:27] <lafleurdubien> well that sounds zippy
[18:28] <lafleurdubien> Fural: If you don't need a gui, do it on the command line. Then you don't get dependent
[18:28] <hggdh> Furai: there are mainline kernels already built by the kernel team
[18:28] <hggdh> Furai: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/MainlineBuilds
[18:30] <Furai> How is this different from what people suggested so far?
[18:32] <hggdh> Furai: these kernels are alraady built, as DEB packages. They are purely upstream, no Ubuntu integration
[18:32] <hggdh> (they are mostly used to test if a bug is Ubuntu-specific or mainline
[18:41] <Furai> Hmm, anyway, I went with mainline from ukuu, 4.17.3. Works after reboot.
[18:42] <hggdh> Furai: just keep in mind mainline kernels do not have Ubuntu integration, and are absolutely NOT supported
[18:44] <hxmuller> ioria: daemon-binary = /bin/true didn't work. I added it in all places. I just searched /etc/gdm3 for all mentions of pulse and came up empty too.
[18:45] <Furai> Yeah, I'm aware.
[18:46] <ioria> hxmuller, https://www.debuntu.org/how-to-disable-pulseaudio-and-sound-in-gdm/
[18:46] <ioria> hxmuller, the proble might be ownershipof the file : chown gdm:gdm
[18:47] <hxmuller> ioria: just spotted that in the link  you provided, testing with fingers crossed.
[18:54] <hxmuller> ioria: thanks for your help, that link didn't help. but I just found the reference to pulse in: /var/lib/gdm3/.config/pulse/default.pa#!/usr/bin/pulseaudio -nF
[18:55] <hxmuller> I'm going to comment that out and see what happens
[18:55] <ioria> hxmuller, ok
[19:06] <blinksy> newbieQ: how do i change dns servers while still keeping dhcp on cli?
[19:08] <bobthebuilder20> So, running into issue with OS not booting after an LSI 6348-8i upgrade, getting black screen and blinking cursor. Originally, the drive was plugged into the SATA port and ran without issue.  Add the LSI card in JBOD mode and tried to run the disk off the LSI card. During POST LSI reports seeing the disk. OS was originally installed with GPT, no BIOS changes were made. If i plug the disk back into sata ports boot fine, any sug
[19:08] <blinksy> did you turn it off, then back on again?
[19:08] <bobthebuilder20> yep
[19:09] <blinksy> :(
[19:10] <bobthebuilder20> OS version is 14.04
[19:11] <ioria> bobthebuilder20, any changes in /etc/fstab ?
[19:11] <bobthebuilder20> nope
[19:14] <qwebirc79354> help
[19:14] <lotuspsychje> !ask | qwebirc79354
[19:14] <bobthebuilder20> The LSI card should be acting transparent and not affect anything. Its not even getting to the grub menu
[19:15] <bobthebuilder20> just boots straight to black screen and blinking white cursor
[19:16] <ioria> bobthebuilder20, can you ctrl+alt+fx something ?
[19:17] <bobthebuilder20> negative | ioria
[19:17] <qwebirc79354> how to enable boot
[19:18] <ioria> bobthebuilder20, i'd disable quiet splash in grub ..
[19:20] <hxmuller> bobthebuilder20: you have to hold down shift key to get to grub screen, then type e to edit
[19:20] <hxmuller> nvm, that
[19:20] <bobthebuilder20> it doesn't even get to that stage
[19:20] <hxmuller> that is after it's already installed
[19:20] <ioria> it's installed,i guess
[19:21] <bobthebuilder20> it POST the LSI message saying jbod mode and disk found, then proceeds with black screen and white cursor.
[19:21] <bobthebuilder20> if unplug it from LSI card and plug back into MB SATA port it boots up just fine, straight into GRUB, then OS.
[19:22] <ioria> bobthebuilder20, we're talking about an installed system, right ?
[19:22] <bobthebuilder20> yep
[19:22] <bobthebuilder20> OS was originally installed when it was plugged into MB SATA.
[19:22] <ioria> bobthebuilder20, make grub shows up... and remove quiet splash
[19:23] <ioria> bobthebuilder20, it'll give you a text boot with more infos
[19:25] <ubhunter> I'm getting stuck at splash screen while boot. I am able to boot to recovery mode though. VERSION="18.04 LTS (Bionic Beaver)"
[19:26] <bobthebuilder20> ioria will double check quiet splash is off, i believe it is. Will be back in a minute or two.
[19:27] <ioria> ubhunter, What did you do earlier?
[19:27] <michael2> hi all. I have notifications from "notifiy send" which are showing in red - and not going away - does anyone know how to fix this?
[19:28] <ubhunter> I just installed 17.04 LTS
[19:28] <bobthebuilder20> ioria,
[19:29] <ioria> ubhunter, 17.04 is dead
[19:29] <ubhunter> I'm sorry, I meant 18.04
[19:29] <bobthebuilder20> ioria, confirmed quiet splash wasn't there
[19:29] <RoadRunner> at which version did ubuntu switch from unity to gnome?
[19:29] <michael2> I hin think 17.04 is a LTS
[19:29] <michael2> I _dont_ think 17.04 is a LTS
[19:29] <ioria> michael2, nope
[19:30] <ioria> ubhunter, fresh install ?
[19:30] <ubhunter> ioria: yup. Actually it had 14.04 but I wiped that partition and asked the installation screen to install grub at /dev/sda
[19:32] <RoadRunner> and is hw driver manager a part of gnome or is it desktop independent?
[19:33] <ioria> ubhunter,  so ...you did a fresh install of bionic (freash=from media) with manual partitionig ?
[19:33] <ubhunter> Yup ioria
[19:33] <ubhunter> From DVD
[19:33] <ioria> ubhunter,  what's your video card ?
[19:33] <ubhunter> ioria: intel integrated
[19:34] <ubhunter>        description: VGA compatible controller        product: 82G33/G31 Express Integrated Graphics Controller        vendor: Intel Corporation
[19:34] <ioria> ubhunter,  what happens if you choose resume from Recovery ?
[19:34] <ioria> ubhunter,  that's old ...
[19:35] <ubhunter> yes it is, but it ran 16.04 just fine
[19:35] <ioria> ubhunter,  not sure can run gnome-shell
[19:35] <ubhunter> ioria: I am using freenode from GUI which I got when I did resume from recovery mode.
[19:35] <ubhunter> That's gnome shell right?
[19:36] <ioria> ubhunter,  what happens if you choose resume from Recovery ?  does it boot into Desktop ?
[19:36] <ubhunter> yes
[19:36] <ubhunter> I am in such a session now
[19:36] <ubhunter> Typing into firefox at webchat.freenode.net from that
[19:36] <ioria> ubhunter, how is the screen resolution  ?
[19:37] <ubhunter> Not good. But then my screen is having a max of 1366x768
[19:37] <ioria> ubhunter,  and you got it atm ?
[19:37] <ubhunter> My monitor I mean
[19:38] <ioria> ubhunter,  run xrandr    to check
[19:38] <ubhunter> xrandr: Failed to get size of gamma for output default
[19:38] <ubhunter> Screen 0: minimum 640 x 480, current 1024 x 768, maximum 1024 x 768
[19:39] <ubhunter> Oh I think my monitor max is 1024x768
[19:39] <ioria> ubhunter,  personally,id go with lubuntu
[19:39] <ubhunter> Does 17.04 have easy switch to unity?
[19:39] <ioria> ubhunter,  cpu and ram ?
[19:40] <ubhunter> Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU     E7500  @ 2.93GHz
[19:40] <ioria> ubhunter,  17.04 again ?
[19:40] <ubhunter> oops
[19:40] <ubhunter> 18.04 :D
[19:40] <ubhunter> 2GB RAM
[19:40] <ioria> ubhunter,  ram ?
[19:40] <ubhunter> 2 or 3 I don't remember
[19:40] <ioria> ubhunter,  cat /proc/cmdline
[19:40] <ubhunter> let me check
[19:41] <ioria> ubhunter,  free -m
[19:41] <bobthebuilder20> ioria, confirmed quiet splash wasn't there.
[19:41] <ubhunter> BOOT_IMAGE=/boot/vmlinuz-4.15.0-23-generic root=UUID=08caecf6-c183-449e-91e9-820616575f2f ro recovery nomodeset
[19:41] <ubhunter> Mem:           2.9G        1.5G        448M         39M        1.0G        1.4G
[19:41] <ioria> ubhunter,  3G
[19:42] <ioria> ubhunter,  cat /etc/default/grub | pastebinit
[19:43] <ioria> bobthebuilder20, did you remove it ?
[19:43] <ubhunter> http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/G79JFjwC7n/
[19:45] <bobthebuilder20> ioria, the quiet splash wasn't in there orginally
[19:45] <bobthebuilder20> had it remove quit a while back
[19:45] <bobthebuilder20> had it removed*
[19:45] <ioria> ubhunter,  change  this line : GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet splash nomodeset"  ; run sudo updat-grub and reboot
[19:45] <ioria> bobthebuilder20, why ?
[19:45] <bobthebuilder20> like to see grub menu and see what is happening during boot.
[19:46] <ubhunter> ioria: you mean I need to add nomodeset to that line?
[19:46] <ubhunter> Or remove that line?
[19:46] <bobthebuilder20> ioria, so had quite splash edited out.
[19:46] <ioria> ubhunter,  yes, add nomodeset
[19:47] <ioria> bobthebuilder20, if you don't see anything on the screen than the system it's not booting at all
[19:48] <bobthebuilder20> ioria, which is weird.
[19:48] <ioria> bobthebuilder20, grub issue
[19:49] <bobthebuilder20> ioria, but it works fine, if I unplug from the LSI card and plug it back into MB SATA port.
[19:49] <ubhunter> btw. Ubuntu ditched Unity?
[19:50] <ubhunter> ioria: I'm rebooting. I'll be back [arnold.png]
[19:50] <oerheks> as standard, but still available
[19:50] <ioria> ubhunter,  no, you can still install it with  sudo apr install unity-session
[19:50] <ioria> bobthebuilder20, no idea then,sy
[19:51] <bobthebuilder20> Assuming the LSI JBOD mode doesn't tweek anything and LSI POST messsage reports seeing the disk. It should just boot into grub/OS.
[19:51] <oerheks> !info ubuntu-unity-desktop
[19:51] <bobthebuilder20> ioria thanks for your help thou.
[19:51] <ioria> bobthebuilder20, no prob
[19:52] <Zeelot3k__> hey, can someone help me understand the right way to dual boot multiple versions of ubuntu 1804 on one disk? I can't for the life of me get grub or refind to detect more than one and the second distro I install always overwrites the first when it comes to boot entries
[19:52] <Zeelot3k__> right now I have a GPT table, a small EFI partition, and 4 100GB btrfs partitions and I am trying to install a different copy of ubuntu into each of the 100GB partitions
[19:53] <Zeelot3k__> I don't want to share anything so I am using each partition mounted as `/` and not sharing `/home` or any other partition
[19:54] <Zeelot3k__> `sudo os-probe` returns nothing no matter which OS I run it from
[19:56] <oerheks> os-prober
[19:56] <oerheks> not sure that works on btrfs too..
[19:56] <ubhunter> ioria: thanks, that booted me in
[19:57] <ubhunter> But my display scaling is messed up
[19:57] <Zeelot3k__> oerheks: yeah sorry that's what I ran
[19:57] <Zeelot3k__> it doesn't return anything
[19:57] <ioria> ubhunter,  i see ... try unity
[19:57] <ubhunter> Display resolution locked to 640x480
[19:57] <ioria> ubhunter,  with lightdm i mean
[19:57] <ubhunter> let me try installing unity
[19:58] <ubhunter> What should I install first?
[19:58] <ioria> ubhunter,  then remove nomodeset from /e/d/grub
[19:58] <ubhunter> ioria: unity-session or lightdm?
[19:58] <ioria> ubhunter, no worries, it's a dependency
[19:59] <ioria> ubhunter, it'll ask you if tou want as default DM, say yes
[20:00] <ioria> !info unity-session | ubhunter
[20:00] <ubhunter> ioria: unity-session or ubuntu-unity-desktop?
[20:00] <ioria> ubhunter, i use unity-session ...
[20:01] <ubhunter> What's the difference?
[20:01] <ioria> ubhunter, i guess the seconf it's the full environment
[20:02] <ubhunter> What will I miss out if I go for session?
[20:02] <ioria> ubhunter, nothing that you cannot install
[20:02] <ubhunter> Oh okay
[20:02] <ubhunter> I'll go for session then
[20:02] <ubhunter> How can I purge gnome and gnome bits?
[20:03] <ioria> ubhunter, nope
[20:03] <scientes> how do i turn off tracker
[20:03] <scientes> it eats all my memory and cpu needlessly
[20:03] <scientes> if i try to uninstall it it tries to remove gnome-documents and gnome-boxes
[20:04] <scientes> nvm figured it out
[20:04] <ubhunter> ioria: you mean I shouldn't ?
[20:04] <ioria> ubhunter, yes
[20:04] <ubhunter> That would end up as a stale desktop manager in my installation right?
[20:05] <ubhunter> At least how do I make sure any gnome component does not consume any of my runtime resources?
[20:05] <ioria> ubhunter, btw, unity IS gnome
[20:06] <ubhunter> Ohh
[20:06] <ubhunter> I don't understand
[20:06] <ioria> ubhunter, built on top, i mean
[20:06] <ubhunter> So it's Unity vs Gnome shell?
[20:07] <ioria> ubhunter, yes
[20:07] <ubhunter> So I won't need gnome shell anymore right?
[20:07] <oerheks> installing a desktop is no problem, removing one is amazing
[20:10] <alecie> does your cat sometimes walk on your keyboard while you have terminal open and execute random commands?
[20:10] <tomreyn> Zeelot3k__: you'll probably need to add grub menu records for the other systems to each of your systems' grub configurations yourself then. or choose one of the systems to manage grub for all of them, and uninstall grub on the others.
[20:11] <tomreyn> alecie: this seems to happen occasionally, we only do ubuntu support here, though, not (living) cat support
[20:12] <tomreyn> if you have questions about how to feed things into cat, though, we could probably help-
[20:13] <ubhunter> Hi
[20:13] <ubhunter> I forgot the nick to whom I was talking
[20:13] <ubhunter> Could someone help me
[20:14] <tomreyn> !irclogs | ubhunter
[20:14] <tomreyn> ubhunter: what do you need help with?
[20:15] <roothorick> \/lib/systemd/system-shutdown/nutshutdown does not check the argument passed. Doesn't this mean that the UPS would be turned off even if it was a reboot that was requested?
[20:15] <ubhunter> tomreyn: I was talking with someone here for some help
[20:15] <ubhunter> I reconnected and forgot the nick
[20:15] <ubhunter> a few minutes ago
[20:15] <oerheks> ioria, but he left
[20:15] <ubhunter> ohh :(
[20:26] <Biessie> Question: I have ubuntu 18.04 desktop installed but im basically using it as a server.. i just wanted a GUI incase i ever decided to use it as a computer at any given time.. will be rare. nonetheless, how can i make it that when i reboot it, i do not have to login to make it load up all my servers such as SSHD/FTPD/apache, sql etc
[20:27] <Biessie> login using the x gui
[20:27] <roothorick> Biessie: it should already do that automatically
[20:27] <Biessie> roothorick : Hmmm okay, maybe it does and maybe i just tried to SSH before it was fully loaded?
[20:27] <Biessie> ill double check next reboot
[20:28] <roothorick> Either that or there's an unrelated issue preventing sshd from starting, or there's a network level or firewall issue preventing access
[20:28] <Biessie> roothorick : Ill report back if that's the case and request further assistance :)
[20:28] <Biessie> thanks for response.
[20:29] <roothorick> np :)
[20:29] <tomreyn> Biessie: it might be that it is only connected using wireless, and the wireless credentials are stored in the user domain, not available system wide. then it wouldn't get connected / become available on the network until your user logged in.
[20:29] <roothorick> oh, forgot about that
[20:30] <Biessie> tomreyn : You know what - that may actually be the main issue. I literally just put it on the ethernet last night since my wifi was having issues.
[20:30] <Biessie> so next reboot i bet that does the trick!
[20:30] <roothorick> Ethernet connections will always start automatically so
[20:30] <Biessie> yea good call!
[20:30] <roothorick> (well, you can override that, but by default...)
[20:31] <tomreyn> Biessie: you could also reconfigure the wireless. but for a server, ethernet is obviously the better option.
[20:31] <Biessie> my wifi card isnt compatible with the kernal on 18.04 according to ioria
[20:31] <Biessie> so it was extremely slow as it was. so i had to go grab a switch and now i have ethernet. screw wireless inded
[20:31] <Biessie> indeed*
[20:31] <tomreyn> then i guess ethernet makes even more sense ;)
[20:32] <Biessie> went from 80kbps up/down to 110mbps up/down switching lol
[20:33] <roothorick> Any "static" systems (servers, desktops etc) really should be on Ethernet if at all possible, even if it means stuffing cable under the wood trim along the walls
[20:33] <tomreyn> if this system is buried under stuff or in a remote room, you could attach a small computer to it to act as a serial console server,
[20:33] <roothorick> WiFi is for devices that move around
[20:33] <Biessie> agreed. it was a quick fix to get what i needed at the time. but yea ethernet is the way to go for certain
[20:34] <roothorick> laptops, tablets, cellphones, you get the idea
[20:34] <oerheks> wifi + server .. that would need a decent wifichip
[20:35] <Biessie> alrighty then! Im going run to the store and ill be back. thanks again for quick responses as always. great people here
[20:35] <roothorick> As a rule of thumb: if it has a built-in battery that it can run from with full functionality, it goes on WiFi. Otherwise, Ethernet.
[20:35] <forester> Hi. Is it possible to install Yunit ot Ubuntu Mate 18.04?
[20:35] <Biessie> oerheks - Yea it's just my personal toy.. ssh (tunnel at work) and host a website for images for family, ftpd, stuff like that. not seeing a whole lot of bandwidth
[20:36] <roothorick> I even apply that to game consoles, though I make exceptions for systems that don't have an integrated Ethernet interface, because I feel like there's not much point
[20:36] <roothorick> i.e. everything Nintendo has ever made
[20:51] <hxmuller> roothorick: I use ethernet over powerline. don
[20:51] <hxmuller> don't have to run cables
[20:55] <roothorick> hxmuller: EoP can be a very temperamental and inconsistent thing. Mains noise is quite the bugbear
[20:55] <dreamcat4> new 18.04 kernel won't boot for me (4.15.0-23)
[20:55] <dreamcat4> previous kernel 4.15.0-22 works fine
[20:55] <dreamcat4> in this week's software update
[20:56] <dreamcat4> on asus z270 apex 9 motherboard, with skylake 6600k cpu
[20:58] <hxmuller> dreamcat4: have you removed 'quiet splash' from kernel boot params in grub yet? (use the shift key when booting) you'll get more information, maybe
[20:59] <dreamcat4> no, but now that you said to, i'll definately try it. thanks for the suggestion. it's all stock settings atm
[20:59] <dreamcat4> (a clean install)
[21:00] <hxmuller> I had to use nomodeset when I installed onto an AB350M/Ryzen3 2200g, afterwards I got the APU working
[21:03] <Bashing-om> dreamcat4: Nother thought is that the graphic's driver did not build in the new kernel .
[21:03] <dreamcat4> ok well i did have to install an nvidia graphics driver for my  gt 1030
[21:04] <dreamcat4> otherwise the whole GUI would just completely hang for many seconds
[21:04] <dreamcat4> apt-get install -y install nvidia-390
[21:07] <tomreyn> dreamcat4: use "ubuntu-drivers" to manage the proprietary drivers. while i don'T think skylake needs it, you may still work around some issues if you add the "i915.alpha_support=1" kernel parameter until you run linux 4.17+
[21:08] <dreamcat4> hi again. my nvidia-390 package came from this ppa
[21:08] <dreamcat4> add-apt repository ppa:graphics-drivers/ppa
[21:08] <Bashing-om> dreamcat4: As you installed from repo .. dkms "should" have picked up and built the driver for the new kernel . ' sudo dkms status ' from the F2 console .
[21:08] <dreamcat4> ah, thanks
[21:09] <dreamcat4> nvidia, 390.67, 4.15.0-22-generic, x86_64: installed
[21:09] <dreamcat4> nvidia, 390.67, 4.15.0-23-generic, x86_64: installed
[21:09] <dreamcat4> seems good ^^
[21:11] <Bashing-om> dreamcat4: Yup .. the manager happy ? ' cat /var/log/gpu-manager.log ' ?
[21:12] <dreamcat4> interesting that it says i doesnt have intel... because i have an intel igp in the cpu also
[21:13] <tomreyn> there are no proprietary drivers available for the intel gpu, so no need to manage those.
[21:13] <dreamcat4> other than that, there does not seem to be any obvious errors in that log file. just some details about which gpu driver was loaded.. (only the nvidia one)
[21:16] <dreamcat4> i'm gonna reboot now and try that no splash grub thing, and the i915.alpha_support=1 kernel param
[21:17] <tomreyn> dreamcat4: if you made other changes, then post pone the i915 one to the next but one reboot. it increases complexity.
[21:19] <dreamcat4> ah i changed both things. it worked. so now i will back out the i915 part and reboot again. see if its still good
[21:22] <dreamcat4> still good. so then all i needed was to remove the 'quiet splash' from the default flags in /etc/default/grub
[21:22] <dreamcat4> thanks again
[21:45] <Biessie> What is ethernet over powerline
[21:46] <EriC^^> Biessie: it's when the lan is using the power outlets of the house
[21:46] <oerheks> network over your 110v/220v energy system, sometimes it can reach out houses away
[21:47] <Biessie> Seriously? WTF how did i never hear of this
[21:47] <oerheks> https://www.tp-link.com/au/products/details/cat-5034_TL-PA4010PKIT.html
[21:47] <oerheks> and
[21:47] <Biessie> im going read up on that now
[21:47] <oerheks> there is power over ethernet
[21:47] <Biessie> is it reliable?
[21:47] <oerheks> a wifi camera that gets power from the networkcable
[21:48] <oerheks> yes, encrypted hardware by itself
[21:48] <Biessie> does it have packet loss etc ?
[21:48] <Biessie> just seems weird
[21:48] <oerheks> but high ping, lik 150 ms
[21:48] <oerheks> or more
[21:48] <Biessie> Makes sense.. so will it "throttle" speeds as well
[21:48] <oerheks> so not reliable for gaming
[21:50] <Biessie> WHAT?! it says it can be faster than wifi speeds.
[21:50] <Biessie> thats insane. thanks hxmuller for bringing that up in this chat
[21:52] <ntd> and that 4010kit?
[21:52] <hxmuller> PoE is working great for me
[21:52] <ntd> vulnerable to a variety of vulns which will let anyone pair to your "encrypted" network :)
[21:52] <ntd> poe != plc
[21:53] <ntd> and tp-link decided not to release firmware fixed to early revs
[21:53] <ntd> ofc qualcomm fixed the known knowns, oems don't give a damn
[21:53] <oerheks> yes, unless there is faster than 1000 mbit wireless > TP-Link AV1000 Gigabit Powerline Starter Kit
[21:54] <hxmuller> I'm using the Netgear Powerline, 1000mbs
[21:54] <hxmuller> on the desktop box I just built
[21:55] <oerheks> i have a spare old 11 mbit set somewhere, enough for webcam
[21:55] <oerheks> dedicated stream, 1 user
[21:56] <Biessie> im on fiber with 115 up/down
[21:56] <Biessie> so i should be good
[21:57] <hxmuller> btw, I have an alsa only setup, defaults to the speaker/headphone. I can play sound through HDMI using aplay -DSTUFF test.wav. How do I get system to play through HDMI?
[21:58] <hxmuller> my google skills are weak, because I can't figure out the right keywords
[22:00] <ntd> getting a lot of results for latvian hardwood floors?
[22:00] <ntd> yeah, scroogle have been like that for a while
[22:06] <WoC> is there any screensaver compatible with wayland ?
[22:09] <oerheks> nope, i follow the fedora project too, about screensaver option in wayland
[22:10] <oerheks> " There was some development and even a small demo of a Wayland screensaver (wscreensaver), but there is not a final "
[22:10] <oerheks> nor arch, or debian/ubuntu
[22:11] <WoC> k, ty oerheks
[22:12] <oerheks> basicly one can write a unit that simply shows a picture and enables the coffeemachine
[22:12] <tomreyn> but it works via xwaylayd? otherwise, how did 17.10 do it?
[22:12] <tomreyn> i'm just wondering about screen locking really
[22:13] <oerheks> screensaver, animated, and animated desktop
[22:13] <oerheks> i want those 3
[22:13] <ubuntu1604> hi im tryimg to add a new partition but looks like i cant
[22:14] <ubuntu1604> im using virtualbox btw
[22:14] <tomreyn> ubuntu1604: with a single disk?
[22:15] <tomreyn> ubuntu1604: are you saying the ubuntu installation you are inquiring about runs in a virtualbox VM?
[22:16] <ubuntu1604> yeah
[22:16] <ubuntu1604> im running ubuntu 16.04
[22:16] <ubuntu1604> i have a 40 GB virtual hard disk
[22:17] <tomreyn> ubuntu1604: does it have internet connectivity?
[22:17] <ubuntu1604> yes
[22:17] <tomreyn> ubuntu1604: run: sudo parted /dev/sda print | nc termbin.com 9999
[22:18] <ubuntu1604> ok
[22:18] <tomreyn> this will return a web address where we'll fi9nd information on your VM's partitions
[22:18] <ubuntu1604> http://termbin.com/y6b1
[22:19] <tomreyn> ubuntu1604: all your partitionable spcae is allocated. how did you plan to add additional partitions?
[22:19] <ubuntu1604> by shrinking that big one
[22:19] <tomreyn> ubuntu1604then boot gparted-live in the VM and shrink it.
[22:20] <ubuntu1604> gparted is an app
[22:20] <ubuntu1604> i have it
[22:20] <tomreyn> it's a software. gparted-live is a live linux system.
[22:21] <Sir_Andrei> Hi
[22:21] <ubuntu1604> oh so tomreyn its an OS ?
[22:21] <tomreyn> running gparted on the existing ubuntu installation will *not* help
[22:21] <ubuntu1604> i should treat it as a OS ?
[22:21] <Sir_Andrei> People, I have a problem.
[22:21] <tomreyn> ubuntu1604: yes. it's a bootable linux system with gparted on it.
[22:22] <ubuntu1604> k where can i  download it ?
[22:22] <hxmuller> !win Sir_Andrei
[22:22] <tomreyn> ubuntu1604: do you have a web browser?
[22:22] <ubuntu1604> yes
[22:22] <Sir_Andrei> I've installed Lubuntu 18.04 on my PC, (alongside Windows 10), I've made a biosgrub partition (1023Mb), but my computer won't boot as I want.
[22:22] <tomreyn> ubuntu1604: do you know what a search engine is?
[22:22] <Sir_Andrei> I mean, it starts and give me just the grub shell.
[22:22] <ubuntu1604> google
[22:22] <ubuntu1604> wait
[22:22] <ubuntu1604> its that ubuntu startup thing
[22:23] <tomreyn> ubuntu1604: right, google is one. go to google and type "gparted-live download"
[22:23] <ubuntu1604> ok
[22:24] <ubuntu1604> https://gparted.org/download.php <<this ?
[22:24] <tomreyn> ubuntu1604: impressive internet reasearch capabilities!
[22:24] <tomreyn> ubuntu1604: yes
[22:24] <Sir_Andrei> Anybody knows why Lubuntu exploded?
[22:24] <Sir_Andrei> Well, GRUB.
[22:25] <Guest67195> Hello, I'm looking to how to disable a hard drive from my ubuntu partition (18.04). this ubuntu is running on an SSD and doesn't require the second drive at all, is there a way to disable that 2nd drive so it doesn't spin all day for nothing ?
[22:25] <ubuntu1604> amd64 right ?
[22:25] <tomreyn> ubuntu1604: right, you probably want the gparted-live-0.31.0-1-amd64.iso download
[22:25] <tomreyn> ubuntu1604: then insert the iso into0 your VM's cdrom drive and boot off it.
[22:26] <ubuntu1604> ok
[22:26] <tomreyn> Sir_Andrei: does your system boot using uefi or the old bios?
[22:26] <Sir_Andrei> Yep.
[22:27] <Sir_Andrei> Well, I'd booted it using GRUB shell commands.
[22:27] <tomreyn> Sir_Andrei: that was two options.
[22:27] <Sir_Andrei> But I wanna know the reason...
[22:27] <tomreyn> Sir_Andrei: mutually exclusive options. which one is it, uefi or bios?
[22:27] <ubuntu1604> tomreyn: it wont damage things right ? ( i have a snapshot of the VM tho)
[22:27] <Sir_Andrei> UEFI
[22:28] <tomreyn> Sir_Andrei: then you want an ESP, not a bios_grub partition
[22:28] <Sir_Andrei> ESP?
[22:28] <Sir_Andrei> What's that?
[22:28] <tomreyn> ubuntu1604: if you have a recent complete snapshot then it'll be ok. but editing partition tables always puts your system at danger of data loss.
[22:29] <Sir_Andrei> When I done my partitions it requested me the bios_grub partition :P
[22:29] <tomreyn> Sir_Andrei: efi system partition
[22:29] <Sir_Andrei> Oh, nice, I'll read about it.
[22:29] <tomreyn> Sir_Andrei: what is "it"?
[22:29] <tomreyn> in your last but one statement
[22:29] <Sir_Andrei> About "efi system partition".
 When I done my partitions it requested me the bios_grub partition :P
[22:30] <tomreyn> the ubuntu installer?
[22:30] <Sir_Andrei> Oh, well, Lubuntu installation assistant.
[22:30] <Sir_Andrei> Sorry for my english, I'm a native spanish speaker.
[22:30] <tomreyn> this suggests you were actually doing a BIOS boot at the time
[22:30] <tomreyn> Sir_Andrei: no worries, mine's not that great either
[22:31] <Sir_Andrei> But I'd booted the system.
[22:31] <Sir_Andrei> Can I fix it just upgrading an regenerating GRUB?
[22:31] <Sir_Andrei> What's your native language?
[22:31] <tomreyn> Sir_Andrei: so unless you switched between BIOS and UEFI booting after installing ubuntu then we should assume you're actually doing a BIOS boot.
[22:32] <Sir_Andrei> Well, yea.
[22:32] <tomreyn> Sir_Andrei: so ubuntu booted fine after the installation?
[22:32] <Sir_Andrei> No, I've booted it from GRUB shell.
[22:32] <Sir_Andrei> Ubuntu itself it's working fine.
[22:32] <Sir_Andrei> I'm upgrading in this moment.
[22:32] <tomreyn> Sir_Andrei: ok, but you were able to, so it's something else, and it does BIOS boot.
[22:34] <tomreyn> Sir_Andrei: i guess what you need to do is to ensure that grub will boot the same way you booted manually.
[22:34] <tomreyn> Sir_Andrei: just regenerating the grub configuration will most likel ynot suffice then.
[22:34] <Sir_Andrei> Hmm. I'll try that first, five minutes please :P
[22:35] <tomreyn> rebuilding initramfs *might* help if the one you have now is somehow corrupt.
[22:37] <tomreyn> Guest67195: maybe you can disable it in bios / uefi?
[22:39] <tomreyn> Guest67195: please use a different nickname (using /nick newnick), there are too many guest*'s here, making it difficult to address you. make sure the other drive is not listed in /etc/fstab or used in any other way.
[22:39] <Sir_Andrei> Who is Guest
[22:39] <Sir_Andrei> Oh, sorry.
[22:40] <Sir_Andrei> That nicknames are assigned by their IRC client, right?
[22:40] <Sir_Andrei> I'm using ERC on emacs, and it always request me a nickname to join on IRC servers.
[22:41] <tomreyn> the irc server may replace the nickname sent by the irc client if there is already a user using this nickname on this network.
[22:42] <Sir_Andrei> Well, I've done with the update..., let's restart.
[22:42] <Sir_Andrei> F*ck..., Grub shell again.
[22:43] <tomreyn> nox1234: much better
[22:43] <nox1234> tomreyn: yeah sorry about that, i forgot my credentials and got assigned the guest nick :)
[22:43] <tomreyn> ;)
[22:44] <tomreyn> nox1234: if you used a real e-mail address to register you can have your password reset
[22:44] <nox1234> tomreyn: the thing is that i might need that disk from time to time and didn't want to reboot and edit the bios each time
[22:45] <Sir_Andrei> That's strange. Now when I do linux /boot/initrd.img... etc. It says "error: invalid magic number".
[22:45] <Sir_Andrei> I can't load the kernel.
[22:46] <retr02> leave
[22:46] <retr02> exit
[22:47] <tomreyn> nox1234: you can "echo 1 > /sys/block/sdX/device/delete" to (logically) remove the device off the bus, making it inaccessible and unmanaged until the next reboot.
[22:48] <tomreyn> nox1234: actually you could re-add it later by scannnig the bus again.
[22:49] <nox1234> tomreyn: I was more looking for something like : 'do not spin until i tell you to'
[22:49] <tomreyn> nox1234: you will need to replace the X in sdX by the actual device name.
[22:50] <tomreyn> nox1234: consumer hdd's will automatically power down after a while if not in use, all current firmwares would handle it this way.
[22:50] <nox1234> tomreyn: but the bus scan could be triggered by anything, which will then re-add that disk no ?
[22:51] <tomreyn> nox1234: it could, yes, but it doesn't usually happen by itself, or by automated processes, i would think.
[22:51] <tomreyn> nox1234: is this a rather old disk or computer?
[22:52] <nox1234> tomreyn: nah, brand new :)
[22:52] <tomreyn> nox1234: and the drive doesn't spin down by itself after a few minutes?
[22:52] <Sir_Andrei> Nice, kernel panic.
[22:54] <nox1234> tomreyn: no it doesn't, but i think that it has to be enabled by hand in the disk > disk settings
[22:54] <tomreyn> Sir_Andrei: maybe it would be easier to just reinstall?
[22:55] <tomreyn> nox1234: hmm right, i was wondering this also
[22:57] <Sir_Andrei> I got Kernel Panic reason.
[22:57] <Sir_Andrei> Not on the traceback (it's too long to copy it here).
[22:57] <tomreyn> !paste | Sir_Andrei
[22:57] <Sir_Andrei> "VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(0,0)"
[22:57] <Sir_Andrei> @tomreyn
[22:58] <Sir_Andrei> ubottu, yeah, but I can't copy it cause I don't have a way to do it.
[22:58] <Sir_Andrei> Eh?, Ah, it was you, @tomreyn.
[22:59] <Sir_Andrei> I've tried with both kernels (...20, and ...23) (remember I've upgraded few minutes ago).
[22:59] <oerheks> is this on bare metal or a VM ?
[22:59] <Sir_Andrei> bare metal C:
[23:07] <tomreyn> Sir_Andrei: apparently the first partition on the first hdd does not contain the /boot filesystem
[23:10] <Sir_Andrei> F*ck
[23:10] <Sir_Andrei> So...
[23:10] <Sir_Andrei> Initramfs fail?
[23:11] <Sir_Andrei> Maybe reinstalling the system and doing things correctly would work.
[23:11] <Sir_Andrei> What do u think?
 Sir_Andrei: maybe it would be easier to just reinstall?
[23:13] <Sir_Andrei> Well, I'll do that jajajaj.
[23:13] <Sir_Andrei> I don't understand very well yet how it works UEFI and all of thats.
[23:13] <Sir_Andrei> that*
[23:14] <hxmuller> hdmi working. just had to use the right card #.
[23:14] <Sir_Andrei> Reinstalling... :P
[23:15] <SJr> I've installed ubuntu 18.04 twice now, both times the install completes successfully however after reboot the system doesn't seem fully installed. The hostname is set wrong, and no users seem to have been created so I cannot log in.
[23:15] <SJr> Ubuntu 18.04 server*
[23:15] <Bashing-om> !uefi | Sir_Andrei
[23:16] <tomreyn> !md5 | SJr
[23:16] <Sir_Andrei> @Bashing-om, thx, I'll read it :D
[23:16] <tomreyn> !smart | SJr
[23:17] <tomreyn> SJr: maybe the installation or target media is llosing coherence
[23:18] <SJr> Seems unlikely, it was a fully functioning Linux install mere hours ago.
[23:18] <SJr> I will re-image the USB key, and verify the md5 before hand.
[23:19] <tomreyn> SJr: you can also run a 'media test' from the grub menu of the installer
[23:21] <hxmuller> yes, sometimes the dowload is bad
[23:21] <SJr> Well this will be the weirdest corrupt media I've ever seen.
[23:23] <tomreyn> SJr: you said the hostname was set wrong. was it set to a value you know personally, to what might be a 'Desfault value'. to the empty string, or just some gibberish?
[23:24] <SJr> default value, localhost.localdomain.
[23:24] <tomreyn> SJr: this would happen if you used the desktop installer without reliable network connection, i think
[23:25] <SJr> Hrm... that's pretty bad error handling, but maybe it's because I set the DNS wrong, I was just going to install BIND later.
[23:26] <SJr> Check on the media went fine as well.
[23:26] <tomreyn> SJr: this sounds like an even better explanation. making the installer think it can pull updates from the internet since there is a network connection but then breaking name resolution could indeed cause this situation.
[23:27] <SJr> I set some other ones up, but maybe I'll just let DHCP take over during install.
[23:27] <tomreyn> your other option is an offline installation using the *alternative* server installation. if you want it offline.
[23:27] <qwebirc89603> I just downloaded Ubuntu on my chromebok, how ever its only 14.04 how can I upgrade it?
[23:28] <SJr> I guess I'll not set the hostname to something that collides with something else on the network this time either.
[23:28] <tomreyn> SJr: it's also possible that the desktop installer actually works wfine if you just don't bring up the network before starting the installation (nor during installation)
[23:28] <SJr> Oh this is server*
[23:28] <tomreyn> qwebirc89603: you cuol djust download a newer version instead,
[23:29] <tomreyn> SJr: oh you said so initially, sorry i hadn't noticed.
[23:29] <qwebirc89603> how?
[23:29] <SJr> Installing again right now.
[23:30] <tomreyn> qwebirc89603: use a web browser, point it to ubuntu.com, click on download etc.
[23:30] <SJr> Oh I'm a moron
[23:30] <SJr> The install script dies, and says "An error has occurred" my monitor is so big, I don't notice it.
[23:31] <tomreyn> i guess this would explain why the installation didnt succeed
[23:31] <qwebirc89603> I cant do that on a chromebook
[23:32] <qwebirc89603> im running Ubuntu 14.04 right now
[23:32] <SJr> An unexpected error while running command "unshare --fork --pid -- chroot /target efibootmgr ..."
[23:32] <tomreyn> qwebirc89603: there's this https://tutorials.ubuntu.com/tutorial/install-ubuntu-on-chromebook
[23:33] <SJr> Reason -, StdOut: '', Stderr: ''.
[23:34] <tomreyn> SJr: i don't know, no hits on the web for this output. use the alternate installer.
[23:35] <tomreyn> qwebirc89603: sorry about the iso download suggestion, i never worked with chromebooks, but see the tutorial which is about installing 16.04 on a chromebook
[23:36] <qwebirc89603> I did the same thing in the tutorial it downloaded ubuntu 14.04
[23:36] <oerheks> qwebirc89603, you could use the updates setting > to next LTS release
[23:36] <oerheks> but chromebook, i would not run ubuntu/any linux on it, limited hdd
[23:38] <tomreyn> qwebirc89603: hmm i could have sworn i saw 16.04 somewhere, but looking now, can't seem to find any notion of it.
[23:39] <tomreyn> oh stepo #3 of the tuorial states 16.04
[23:39] <qwebirc89603> yeah the farthest ive gotten was to the tab that said my software is up to date but 16.04 is released and when I clicked upgrade it closed the tab and did nothing
[23:40] <oerheks> update manager core
[23:41] <oerheks> https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=update-manager-core
[23:41] <Sir_Andrei> People, i was reading the article.
[23:41] <Sir_Andrei> W10 have it's own ESP.
[23:41] <Sir_Andrei> I've created a new ESP with Gparted (FAT32, 1024Mb, flags: boot, esp).
[23:42] <Sir_Andrei> It's necessary?, I mean, I'm not sure of using W10 ESP (fearing to do such a mess as it is my first time using ESP).
[23:43] <oerheks> not sure what article, but our uefi manual says you can use the windows efi one
[23:45] <SJr> Well tomreyn I disconnected a bunch of other hard disks that were plugged in, since the errors seemed to be about disk related ,and then the installer passed.
[23:45] <Sir_Andrei> Article @Bashing-om gived me.
[23:45] <Sir_Andrei> Idk if "gived" exists in english.
[23:46] <tomreyn> qwebirc89603: from what i read, the "crouton" installation method discusse don the tuorial i linked does not replace ChromiumOS but installs ubuntu into a chroot (something like a virtual server). there can also be chromebook specific ways to actually replace ChromiumOS by Linux, but you'll need to search those chromebook specific methods yourself, and are basically on your own there.
[23:47] <tomreyn> Sir_Andrei: if this system boots in UEFI mode and has an ESP, then all OS's installed on it need to share this ESP
[23:47] <tomreyn> SJr: glad it worked out in the end.
[23:47] <tomreyn> Sir_Andrei: it's "gave" (past tense)
[23:48] <Sir_Andrei> So isn't neccesary i do biosgrub partition as Installer recommends, right?
[23:49] <Sir_Andrei> I just need to select W10 ESP and specify /boot/efi as mount point.
[23:49] <Sir_Andrei> Right?
[23:49] <qwebirc89603> tomeryn yeah I know but isnt there a way to upgrade it?
[23:50] <tomreyn> Sir_Andrei: if your system boots in UEFI mode and the partition table is a GTP one then you need to use the existing ESP partition, not create a bios_grub partition.
[23:50] <tomreyn> qwebirc89603: yes. the question is just will it still work after it is upgraded? and form what i read, 16.04 won't.
[23:51] <tomreyn> qwebirc89603: which chromebook model is it?
[23:51] <Sir_Andrei> Well, W10 boots in UEFI mode.
[23:51] <Sir_Andrei> But..., its safe?
[23:51] <Bashing-om> Sir_Andrei: Is Win10 presently installed on the system ? If so I would expect the intaller - booted in UEFI mode - to find the /boot partition and install the operating system automatically .
[23:52] <Sir_Andrei> Oh..., nice.
[23:52] <Sir_Andrei> Well, I'll try.
[23:53] <Sir_Andrei> Bashing-om, W10 is presently installed on my computer.
[23:54] <Sir_Andrei> I've seen from Gparted W10 have a ESP (Fat 32, boot flag) partition.
[23:54] <qwebirc89603> tomeryn: I dont know
[23:54] <Sir_Andrei> 272Mb (size), 69Mb already used.
[23:54] <oerheks> !uefi
[23:55] <Bashing-om> Sir_Andrei: ubuntu will gladly share that ESP partition .
[23:55] <Sir_Andrei> Yea oerheks, Bashing-om gave me that article few minutes ago, thx.
[23:55] <oerheks> he is been told 4 times i think
[23:55] <Sir_Andrei> Bashing-om, all automatically? C:
[23:55] <Sir_Andrei> Nice.
[23:56] <Bashing-om> Sir_Andrei: Bear in mind that ubuntu uas existed for some time .. and millions of programmers pour over the code .. it is now user friendly :)
[23:56] <Sir_Andrei> Sorry oerheks, I have a lot of files on this computer and I wanna do things just right.
[23:57] <SJr> In Ubuntu 18.04 /etc/network/interfaces seems to be replaced by netplan. Everything on the internet says I can just modify /etc/netplan files with yml. However the file in there, 50-cloud-init.yml says this file is provided by "the datasource". Changes to it won't persist?
[23:57] <Bashing-om> Sir_Andrei: If the data is important ..it is backed up . no excuses .
[23:57] <oerheks> if you don't have a backup, your files are unimportant, basicly
[23:57] <Sir_Andrei> Yeah, I have backups.
[23:58] <SJr> Why does my server seemingly have Ubuntu Cloud?
[23:58] <Sir_Andrei> But let's be clear. It's a pain on the ass to reinstall and do all stuffs again, I prefer to learn and do things right from the beginning.
[23:58] <Sir_Andrei> Well, I'm installing the system right now, so... let's see hahahah.
[23:59] <ntd> Sir_Andrei, don't get attached to an installation
[23:59] <Bashing-om> Sir_Andrei: :) .. safety is no accident .
[23:59] <ntd> makes you keep putting liptstick on a pig