| Bashing-om | TJ-: A red headed stranger ? Missed ya :P | 00:08 |
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| daftykins | :O | 00:08 |
| TJ- | G'morning! How's everyone doing? | 00:09 |
| daftykins | all well here thanks :) how's your neck of the woods? | 00:09 |
| Bashing-om | TJ-: Going well here .. Did you get your 2nd hay cutting in ? | 00:10 |
| TJ- | We're sweltering in the heat like most people here; only got 1 crop of hay so far; started irrigating potatoes this week. | 00:12 |
| TJ- | I popped in to see if there's any channels on Freenode for visually impaired users, but it doesn't seem there is | 00:12 |
| TJ- | ubuntu-accessibility seems essentially empty too | 00:13 |
| daftykins | the alis bot could be of use? | 00:15 |
| daftykins | for channel finding | 00:15 |
| TJ- | That was my first port of call | 00:16 |
| Bashing-om | TJ-: No not know about accessibilities .. see what alis has to say about ' braille ' ? | 00:16 |
| TJ- | "End of Output" :p | 00:17 |
| Bashing-om | Yuk | 00:17 |
| daftykins | blows my mind sometimes when folks come in #kodi saying they're blind and have an issue, i just never imagine someone partially sighted even using such a visual program | 00:18 |
| TJ- | I'm volunteering for a local visual impairment charity, and developing a plan for using online services to help participation in an extremely wide-spread rural area. Part of that is finding a stable host for a couple of IRC channels instead of operating our own IRC server, so the service-users can easily expand into other communities | 00:19 |
| daftykins | is IRC really the right choice? | 00:20 |
| daftykins | not that i think too highly of all the many modern services that hang around, given how often messaging platforms rise and fall :) | 00:20 |
| TJ- | It's the only choice; works perfectly with text-to-speech software | 00:21 |
| hggdh | daftykins: I think not really bad, since it is basically text-mode (as opposed to graphical) | 00:21 |
| daftykins | right but a lot of the modern ones are the same | 00:21 |
| TJ- | No inline images that blind users would miss | 00:21 |
| daftykins | so were you gonna go to the freenode folks? | 00:22 |
| TJ- | It's perfect for generally tech-phobic users too; wrap it with an accessible web client (there are many) keyed to the community channel so the user doesn't need to understand IRC to get started. | 00:22 |
| daftykins | yeah that's only true given that part :D i still remember being new and wondering why there were servers | 00:24 |
| TJ- | Well, part of the plan is to develop a custom set of integrated F/OSS services accessed via a web-site for media (mostly audio) submission and editing, chat, document sharing and more ( for service-users, volunteers, and staff) so #project-devel and #project channels | 00:26 |
| daftykins | i think you just hate free time ;D | 00:32 |
| TJ- | What's that when it's at home? :) | 00:34 |
| Bashing-om | TJ-'s A-farm'n - there is no such thing as "free-time" . One never does enough ... and the more you do the more there is then to do . | 00:41 |
| TJ- | So true! | 00:41 |
| daftykins | :> | 00:41 |
| lotuspsychje | good morning to all | 04:29 |
| lordievader | Good morning | 06:05 |
| ducasse | good morning | 06:26 |
| lordievader | Hey ducasse | 07:01 |
| lordievader | How are you doing? | 07:01 |
| ducasse | i'm good, thanks - how about yourself? | 07:07 |
| lordievader | Doing okay. Was annoyed this morning when I found out that the default Ubuntu server image doesn't support lvm/raid. | 07:09 |
| lordievader | You need the alternate image for that appearantly. | 07:10 |
| ducasse | yes, the new installer isn't very flexible yet aiui | 07:11 |
| * lordievader wonders how many server installs do not make use of some kind of raid. | 07:19 | |
| EriC^^ | hey lordievader | 07:40 |
| daftykins | i run mines OS disks without RAID :) | 10:24 |
| lordievader | daftykins: How than? And why? | 10:47 |
| daftykins | the RAIDs on the storage, i don't want the OS anywhere near it | 10:48 |
| BluesKaj | Howdy folks | 11:31 |
| daftykins | good morning \o all well? | 11:32 |
| BluesKaj | hey daftykins, fine here, and you? | 11:34 |
| daftykins | yep not too bad thanks! seems to be a warm one again | 11:34 |
| BluesKaj | yup, forecasting 30C and 90% humidity here | 11:35 |
| EriC^^ | hey BluesKaj | 11:39 |
| EriC^^ | hey daftykins | 11:39 |
| daftykins | \o | 11:40 |
| BluesKaj | hey EriC^^ | 11:40 |
| lotuspsychje | good evening to all | 16:29 |
| Bashing-om | lotuspsychje: WB :) | 16:31 |
| lotuspsychje | ty Bashing-om | 16:31 |
| Bashing-om | lotuspsychje: Thus far ... Good day in our neighborhood . | 16:33 |
| lotuspsychje | anyone knows a tool that can kernel cleanup GUI besides bleachbit? | 16:33 |
| Bashing-om | lotuspsychje: ' autoremove ' fails to function ? | 16:34 |
| lotuspsychje | Bashing-om: well long story short, my customers dont use the terminal | 16:34 |
| lotuspsychje | Bashing-om: and they seem to avoid updating too lol | 16:35 |
| lotuspsychje | so unattended-upgrades are enabled, but im still looking for older kernels auto cleanup | 16:35 |
| Bashing-om | lotuspsychje: Ho kay :) .. no, I am not aware of an alternate GUI tool for bleachbit. | 16:37 |
| daftykins | bit embarassing if Ubuntu still hasn't sorted that out | 16:38 |
| lotuspsychje | would be nice in software&updates tick an option: remove older kernels | 16:38 |
| nacc | daftykins: so far, i've still only seen cases where users have either manually installed a package, or simply never run autoremove | 16:39 |
| nacc | lotuspsychje: yeah, the problem is autoremove is not kernel specific | 16:39 |
| nacc | i guess they could do `sudo apt-get autoremove linux-* | 16:39 |
| lotuspsychje | yeah but as i mentioned nacc my users are GUI mostly | 16:39 |
| nacc | lotuspsychje: yeah | 16:39 |
| lotuspsychje | terminal,what? | 16:39 |
| nacc | lotuspsychje: might be a nice feature to add to update-manager | 16:39 |
| nacc | should be relatively easy to do i think | 16:40 |
| lotuspsychje | nacc: you think i could bug/wishlist it? | 16:40 |
| nacc | lotuspsychje: seems worthwhile in the ubuntu bug tracker at least | 16:40 |
| daftykins | if you can catch TJ i'm pretty sure he wrote a script for this, you could probably cron it on client systems | 16:40 |
| lotuspsychje | its an idea yeah daftykins | 16:41 |
| lotuspsychje | but love the idea of having this as a feature too | 16:41 |
| nacc | i think TJ's script is mostly useful when autoremove doesn't work | 16:41 |
| nacc | as in the user has already hosed their system, it does some manual rm and then does the n ormal dpkg/apt dance | 16:41 |
| daftykins | yeah i think it handles the edge case of when they're out of space and can't use APT, too | 16:42 |
| lotuspsychje | lets say the feature would purge last 2 'older' kernels every time | 16:42 |
| nacc | right, that's the manual rm part | 16:42 |
| daftykins | it's a very messy sitution becuse if you count backwards from a newly installing version, you want #1 to stay since it was working last, then #2 and #3 could go - *but* if the user is an update avoider, they may never have restarted to boot into #1 | 16:44 |
| daftykins | blech :D | 16:45 |
| nacc | right, i believe one of the various tools figures that out | 16:45 |
| nacc | you always want to keep `uname -r`'s version | 16:46 |
| nacc | you also want to keep the 'two newest' | 16:46 |
| nacc | so take the intersection | 16:46 |
| daftykins | i was going to contact digitalocean and ask if they recommend livepatch being used with their VPSs o0 | 16:47 |
| nacc | (full disclosure, i work for DO :) | 16:48 |
| daftykins | :o i feel like this is the first time i am hearing that, cool :D | 16:48 |
| nacc | daftykins: i changed a few months ago from canonical | 16:48 |
| daftykins | always been very impressed with the support i get | 16:49 |
| daftykins | ah neat :D | 16:49 |
| lotuspsychje | ill file a wishlist for it, who knows then | 16:50 |
| nacc | (I don't know the answer to your question, i'm on the systems (KVM) performance) | 16:50 |
| nacc | daftykins: i mean, livepatch has a limited # (3?) | 16:51 |
| daftykins | yeah | 16:51 |
| nacc | so doesn't seem particularly great for droplets | 16:51 |
| nacc | but it depens on how much you use it | 16:51 |
| daftykins | i saw the support rates for more, it is ouch | 16:51 |
| nacc | yeah | 16:51 |
| daftykins | right now i have 0 instances :D fine with update + reboot really | 16:51 |
| lotuspsychje | wich package should i file it, update-manager, unattended-upgrades or software&sources? | 16:51 |
| nacc | lotuspsychje: if it's specifically the gui side, update-manager | 16:52 |
| nacc | iirc | 16:52 |
| lotuspsychje | allrighty tnx | 16:52 |
| daftykins | now we play the waiting game :) | 16:53 |
| lotuspsychje | or find interested bug users :p | 16:53 |
| lotuspsychje | if we lucky next decade its a feature :p | 16:54 |
| daftykins | xD | 16:54 |
| lotuspsychje | now nacc is gone from canonical... | 16:54 |
| lotuspsychje | someone else will have to work harder | 16:54 |
| lotuspsychje | hows this looking? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-manager/+bug/1779723 | 17:01 |
| ubot5 | Ubuntu bug 1779723 in update-manager (Ubuntu) "[Wishlist] Add a GUI option autoremove kernel cleanup on updates" [Undecided,New] | 17:01 |
| oerheks | no ff61, but surprise; a fresh kernel | 17:02 |
| lotuspsychje | oerheks: lol | 17:02 |
| lotuspsychje | isitoutyet | 17:02 |
| lordievader | Solution: educate users? | 17:03 |
| nacc | uh... 41.6gb zip file?? must be pirated stuff, right? | 17:03 |
| lotuspsychje | lordievader: lets face reality, even windows is hard for them..next step the terminal? | 17:03 |
| lotuspsychje | hggdh: could you wishlist bug #1779723 for me again plz? | 17:04 |
| ubot5 | bug 1779723 in update-manager (Ubuntu) "[Wishlist] Add a GUI option autoremove kernel cleanup on updates" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1779723 | 17:04 |
| nacc | i can do it too, one sec | 17:04 |
| lotuspsychje | oh tnx nacc | 17:04 |
| lordievader | I don't think they are going to use Linux if they find Windows hard. | 17:05 |
| lotuspsychje | lordievader: thats bit judging statement, got a lot of users running ubuntu like a charm | 17:05 |
| hggdh | lotuspsychje: done | 17:06 |
| lotuspsychje | ty hggdh ; ) | 17:06 |
| hggdh | yw | 17:06 |
| lotuspsychje | u2 nacc | 17:06 |
| nacc | np | 17:06 |
| lotuspsychje | anyone read some news on .1 yet? | 17:06 |
| lordievader | I'm sure it is, but it is the way I think about it 😉 | 17:06 |
| lotuspsychje | no early releasenotes somewhere? | 17:06 |
| nacc | lotuspsychje: they'd go on the normal bionic page | 17:07 |
| nacc | iirc | 17:07 |
| lotuspsychje | i respect your opinion lordievader, but my 80y old aunt is on ubuntu, she cant scramble system anymore where she was able on windows | 17:07 |
| lordievader | Fair enough. | 17:09 |
| leftyfb | lordievader: I can attest to my mother, 10yo sister and multiple residential customers of mine(2 of which in their 80's) all running Ubuntu without issue and found it better/easier than windows. | 17:10 |
| daftykins | do they all solely start the browser and then that's all they need? :) | 17:10 |
| oerheks | i miss the times, hitting update and come back an hour later | 17:11 |
| lotuspsychje | daftykins: ive setup shotwell for my aunt also, the moment she branches camera, pics get synced auto to nautilus and she understands it too | 17:11 |
| leftyfb | daftykins: to be honest, most of them have actually either gone to a chromebook or no pc at all. | 17:11 |
| daftykins | syncing photos is a very old usage model i find | 17:12 |
| lotuspsychje | lol oerheks when i worked at mediamarket, launched 5 win laptops updates, and it was only next morning | 17:12 |
| daftykins | evidence: 70 year old client asking me to do it for them the other day | 17:12 |
| daftykins | :) | 17:12 |
| lotuspsychje | at year of the linux desktop, everything should be also GUI done | 17:13 |
| lotuspsychje | :p | 17:13 |
| lordievader | lotuspsychje: Do you mean something like this in your bug report: https://github.com/teejee2008/ukuu | 17:14 |
| lotuspsychje | lets see | 17:14 |
| daftykins | lotuspsychje: that's why it shall never be! | 17:15 |
| lotuspsychje | lordievader: nice find | 17:15 |
| lotuspsychje | lordievader: but i was more looking for like deleting the last 2 'oldest' instead of auto installing latest ones | 17:16 |
| lotuspsychje | normal updates already grabbin newest kernels right | 17:16 |
| lotuspsychje | lordievader: i also dont wanna risk users deleting newest kernel so they cant get in anymore lol | 17:17 |
| lotuspsychje | want a clean sandbox for them | 17:18 |
| lordievader | This one pulls them from the mainline ppa too, I think. | 17:18 |
| lordievader | Anyhow, it is up on github. You can add the functionality 😉 | 17:19 |
| lotuspsychje | tnx for looking lordievader | 17:19 |
| lordievader | No problem. | 17:19 |
| daftykins | how come everyone's impatient for firefox 61 anyway? :) just looked at the changelog and don't see too much to rush for | 17:21 |
| lotuspsychje | i always remember this user in #ubuntu he got his system updating to all lts's never autoremoved.. | 17:21 |
| lotuspsychje | got like 40 kernels in his list | 17:21 |
| lotuspsychje | daftykins: it has quick tab switch so i hear...something to look forward too? | 17:22 |
| lotuspsychje | i guess we could test the snap :p firefox 61.0-3 mozilla | 17:22 |
| daftykins | dunno how you can get much quicker than ctrl+shift+tab / ctrl+tab :D | 17:23 |
| daftykins | or even ctrl+n! | 17:23 |
| lotuspsychje | daftykins: think its preloading stuff | 17:23 |
| lordievader | daftykins: No idea, I use Chrome 😋 | 17:42 |
| daftykins | i use both but updates come quick to Windows (: | 17:43 |
| * oerheks wait for the crosspost in ##linux | 19:47 | |
| daftykins | o0 | 19:48 |
| leftyfb | pretty sure we've got a troll that keeps coming back with different nicks/hosts | 20:26 |
| hggdh | and the same host | 20:31 |
| leftyfb | https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/Zsfb5fxvjn/ | 20:32 |
| leftyfb | it is the same host | 20:32 |
| leftyfb | god damn idiot that one | 21:20 |
| nacc | if i was mad at you and reading what you wrote, i would argue with you too | 21:21 |
| nacc | tbf to both of you | 21:21 |
| Bashing-om | And ... in other news .. UWN534 is out :) https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue534 . | 21:46 |
| * Allie` has an x201 now, running ubuntu MATE | 22:53 | |
| Allie` | :D | 22:53 |
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