[00:08] TJ-: A red headed stranger ? Missed ya :P [00:08] :O [00:09] G'morning! How's everyone doing? [00:09] all well here thanks :) how's your neck of the woods? [00:10] TJ-: Going well here .. Did you get your 2nd hay cutting in ? [00:12] We're sweltering in the heat like most people here; only got 1 crop of hay so far; started irrigating potatoes this week. [00:12] I popped in to see if there's any channels on Freenode for visually impaired users, but it doesn't seem there is [00:13] ubuntu-accessibility seems essentially empty too [00:15] the alis bot could be of use? [00:15] for channel finding [00:16] That was my first port of call [00:16] TJ-: No not know about accessibilities .. see what alis has to say about ' braille ' ? [00:17] "End of Output" :p [00:17] Yuk [00:18] blows my mind sometimes when folks come in #kodi saying they're blind and have an issue, i just never imagine someone partially sighted even using such a visual program [00:19] I'm volunteering for a local visual impairment charity, and developing a plan for using online services to help participation in an extremely wide-spread rural area. Part of that is finding a stable host for a couple of IRC channels instead of operating our own IRC server, so the service-users can easily expand into other communities [00:20] is IRC really the right choice? [00:20] not that i think too highly of all the many modern services that hang around, given how often messaging platforms rise and fall :) [00:21] It's the only choice; works perfectly with text-to-speech software [00:21] daftykins: I think not really bad, since it is basically text-mode (as opposed to graphical) [00:21] right but a lot of the modern ones are the same [00:21] No inline images that blind users would miss [00:22] so were you gonna go to the freenode folks? [00:22] It's perfect for generally tech-phobic users too; wrap it with an accessible web client (there are many) keyed to the community channel so the user doesn't need to understand IRC to get started. [00:24] yeah that's only true given that part :D i still remember being new and wondering why there were servers [00:26] Well, part of the plan is to develop a custom set of integrated F/OSS services accessed via a web-site for media (mostly audio) submission and editing, chat, document sharing and more ( for service-users, volunteers, and staff) so #project-devel and #project channels [00:32] i think you just hate free time ;D [00:34] What's that when it's at home? :) [00:41] TJ-'s A-farm'n - there is no such thing as "free-time" . One never does enough ... and the more you do the more there is then to do . [00:41] So true! [00:41] :> [04:29] good morning to all [06:05] Good morning [06:26] good morning [07:01] Hey ducasse [07:01] How are you doing? [07:07] i'm good, thanks - how about yourself? [07:09] Doing okay. Was annoyed this morning when I found out that the default Ubuntu server image doesn't support lvm/raid. [07:10] You need the alternate image for that appearantly. [07:11] yes, the new installer isn't very flexible yet aiui [07:19] * lordievader wonders how many server installs do not make use of some kind of raid. [07:40] hey lordievader [10:24] i run mines OS disks without RAID :) [10:47] daftykins: How than? And why? [10:48] the RAIDs on the storage, i don't want the OS anywhere near it [11:31] Howdy folks [11:32] good morning \o all well? [11:34] hey daftykins, fine here, and you? [11:34] yep not too bad thanks! seems to be a warm one again [11:35] yup, forecasting 30C and 90% humidity here [11:39] hey BluesKaj [11:39] hey daftykins [11:40] \o [11:40] hey EriC^^ [16:29] good evening to all [16:31] lotuspsychje: WB :) [16:31] ty Bashing-om [16:33] lotuspsychje: Thus far ... Good day in our neighborhood . [16:33] anyone knows a tool that can kernel cleanup GUI besides bleachbit? [16:34] lotuspsychje: ' autoremove ' fails to function ? [16:34] Bashing-om: well long story short, my customers dont use the terminal [16:35] Bashing-om: and they seem to avoid updating too lol [16:35] so unattended-upgrades are enabled, but im still looking for older kernels auto cleanup [16:37] lotuspsychje: Ho kay :) .. no, I am not aware of an alternate GUI tool for bleachbit. [16:38] bit embarassing if Ubuntu still hasn't sorted that out [16:38] would be nice in software&updates tick an option: remove older kernels [16:39] daftykins: so far, i've still only seen cases where users have either manually installed a package, or simply never run autoremove [16:39] lotuspsychje: yeah, the problem is autoremove is not kernel specific [16:39] i guess they could do `sudo apt-get autoremove linux-* [16:39] yeah but as i mentioned nacc my users are GUI mostly [16:39] lotuspsychje: yeah [16:39] terminal,what? [16:39] lotuspsychje: might be a nice feature to add to update-manager [16:40] should be relatively easy to do i think [16:40] nacc: you think i could bug/wishlist it? [16:40] lotuspsychje: seems worthwhile in the ubuntu bug tracker at least [16:40] if you can catch TJ i'm pretty sure he wrote a script for this, you could probably cron it on client systems [16:41] its an idea yeah daftykins [16:41] but love the idea of having this as a feature too [16:41] i think TJ's script is mostly useful when autoremove doesn't work [16:41] as in the user has already hosed their system, it does some manual rm and then does the n ormal dpkg/apt dance [16:42] yeah i think it handles the edge case of when they're out of space and can't use APT, too [16:42] lets say the feature would purge last 2 'older' kernels every time [16:42] right, that's the manual rm part [16:44] it's a very messy sitution becuse if you count backwards from a newly installing version, you want #1 to stay since it was working last, then #2 and #3 could go - *but* if the user is an update avoider, they may never have restarted to boot into #1 [16:45] blech :D [16:45] right, i believe one of the various tools figures that out [16:46] you always want to keep `uname -r`'s version [16:46] you also want to keep the 'two newest' [16:46] so take the intersection [16:47] i was going to contact digitalocean and ask if they recommend livepatch being used with their VPSs o0 [16:48] (full disclosure, i work for DO :) [16:48] :o i feel like this is the first time i am hearing that, cool :D [16:48] daftykins: i changed a few months ago from canonical [16:49] always been very impressed with the support i get [16:49] ah neat :D [16:50] ill file a wishlist for it, who knows then [16:50] (I don't know the answer to your question, i'm on the systems (KVM) performance) [16:51] daftykins: i mean, livepatch has a limited # (3?) [16:51] yeah [16:51] so doesn't seem particularly great for droplets [16:51] but it depens on how much you use it [16:51] i saw the support rates for more, it is ouch [16:51] yeah [16:51] right now i have 0 instances :D fine with update + reboot really [16:51] wich package should i file it, update-manager, unattended-upgrades or software&sources? [16:52] lotuspsychje: if it's specifically the gui side, update-manager [16:52] iirc [16:52] allrighty tnx [16:53] now we play the waiting game :) [16:53] or find interested bug users :p [16:54] if we lucky next decade its a feature :p [16:54] xD [16:54] now nacc is gone from canonical... [16:54] someone else will have to work harder [17:01] hows this looking? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-manager/+bug/1779723 [17:01] Ubuntu bug 1779723 in update-manager (Ubuntu) "[Wishlist] Add a GUI option autoremove kernel cleanup on updates" [Undecided,New] [17:02] no ff61, but surprise; a fresh kernel [17:02] oerheks: lol [17:02] isitoutyet [17:03] Solution: educate users? [17:03] uh... 41.6gb zip file?? must be pirated stuff, right? [17:03] lordievader: lets face reality, even windows is hard for them..next step the terminal? [17:04] hggdh: could you wishlist bug #1779723 for me again plz? [17:04] bug 1779723 in update-manager (Ubuntu) "[Wishlist] Add a GUI option autoremove kernel cleanup on updates" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1779723 [17:04] i can do it too, one sec [17:04] oh tnx nacc [17:05] I don't think they are going to use Linux if they find Windows hard. [17:05] lordievader: thats bit judging statement, got a lot of users running ubuntu like a charm [17:06] lotuspsychje: done [17:06] ty hggdh ; ) [17:06] yw [17:06] u2 nacc [17:06] np [17:06] anyone read some news on .1 yet? [17:06] I'm sure it is, but it is the way I think about it 😉 [17:06] no early releasenotes somewhere? [17:07] lotuspsychje: they'd go on the normal bionic page [17:07] iirc [17:07] i respect your opinion lordievader, but my 80y old aunt is on ubuntu, she cant scramble system anymore where she was able on windows [17:09] Fair enough. [17:10] lordievader: I can attest to my mother, 10yo sister and multiple residential customers of mine(2 of which in their 80's) all running Ubuntu without issue and found it better/easier than windows. [17:10] do they all solely start the browser and then that's all they need? :) [17:11] i miss the times, hitting update and come back an hour later [17:11] daftykins: ive setup shotwell for my aunt also, the moment she branches camera, pics get synced auto to nautilus and she understands it too [17:11] daftykins: to be honest, most of them have actually either gone to a chromebook or no pc at all. [17:12] syncing photos is a very old usage model i find [17:12] lol oerheks when i worked at mediamarket, launched 5 win laptops updates, and it was only next morning [17:12] evidence: 70 year old client asking me to do it for them the other day [17:12] :) [17:13] at year of the linux desktop, everything should be also GUI done [17:13] :p [17:14] lotuspsychje: Do you mean something like this in your bug report: https://github.com/teejee2008/ukuu [17:14] lets see [17:15] lotuspsychje: that's why it shall never be! [17:15] lordievader: nice find [17:16] lordievader: but i was more looking for like deleting the last 2 'oldest' instead of auto installing latest ones [17:16] normal updates already grabbin newest kernels right [17:17] lordievader: i also dont wanna risk users deleting newest kernel so they cant get in anymore lol [17:18] want a clean sandbox for them [17:18] This one pulls them from the mainline ppa too, I think. [17:19] Anyhow, it is up on github. You can add the functionality 😉 [17:19] tnx for looking lordievader [17:19] No problem. [17:21] how come everyone's impatient for firefox 61 anyway? :) just looked at the changelog and don't see too much to rush for [17:21] i always remember this user in #ubuntu he got his system updating to all lts's never autoremoved.. [17:21] got like 40 kernels in his list [17:22] daftykins: it has quick tab switch so i hear...something to look forward too? [17:22] i guess we could test the snap :p firefox 61.0-3 mozilla [17:23] dunno how you can get much quicker than ctrl+shift+tab / ctrl+tab :D [17:23] or even ctrl+n! [17:23] daftykins: think its preloading stuff [17:42] daftykins: No idea, I use Chrome 😋 [17:43] i use both but updates come quick to Windows (: [19:47] * oerheks wait for the crosspost in ##linux [19:48] o0 [20:26] pretty sure we've got a troll that keeps coming back with different nicks/hosts [20:31] and the same host [20:32] https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/Zsfb5fxvjn/ [20:32] it is the same host [21:20] god damn idiot that one [21:21] if i was mad at you and reading what you wrote, i would argue with you too [21:21] tbf to both of you [21:46] And ... in other news .. UWN534 is out :) https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue534 . [22:53] * Allie` has an x201 now, running ubuntu MATE [22:53] :D