[00:05] <hggdh> Biessie: is is common for the router provided by the ISP (or, pretty much, any router) to implement a firewall blocking out->in access
[00:06] <Biessie> correct - I have port forwarding enabled.. and you personally can connect to my servers using the correct port.
[00:06] <Biessie> but however i can not using the WAN IP being inside the same network.
[00:07] <hggdh> Biessie: being inside your LAN?
[00:07] <Biessie> If my terminology is incorrect forgive me.. let me try to explain this better.
[00:09] <Biessie> If i am trying to connect to my SSH server for instance i can ONLY connect to it using my LAN to LAN ip... I can not connect LAN to WAN ip. However, you can connect WAN to WAN
[00:09] <Biessie> just curious as to why.. someone called it hairpin NAT issue but i can't seem to find out exactly what that means
[00:09] <hggdh> yes, again, common. Your LAN does not know about your public IP address
[00:09] <tomreyn> myself: i'm not sure i shoul dbe talking to myself, but just in case: is your issue solved, yet?
[00:11] <Biessie> hggdh : Not understanding why? It is aware of every other public ip but not its own?
[00:13] <WoC> Biessie, so your computer is acting as a nat enabled router ?
[00:13] <hggdh> Biessie: the *router* knows about the public IP address. But your LAN does not. And, most probably, the WAN network is protecting itself from a loop, so if it receives a SYN from (you pub IP) it will drop it, since it makes no sense for you to go out to go in
[00:14] <hggdh> (and there is a risk of loop)
[00:14] <Biessie> WoC : No idea. networking isnt my specialty.
[00:14] <tomreyn> myself: you'll want to "sudo cryptsetup luksOpen /dev/sdb5 sdb5_crypt" (requires passphrase / key file), then work with /dev/mapper/sdb5_crypt (use pvscan if it contains an LVM2 PV as well)
[00:14] <hggdh> Biessie: what we usually do is we set *internal* names for the services to be accessible from the internal network
[00:15] <Biessie> hggdh : Okay that makes sense.. in a way. I know it makes no sense to leave to come right back BUT i just like to test things to make sure it works via WAN. but i suppose if my port forwarding is done properly then i dont need to worry
[00:15] <hggdh> Biessie: when we test remote access we usually deploy a *remote* client to test. Testing from inside the LAN will not really tell you anything
[00:16] <myself> tomreyn: Not solved yet, but I'm at a loss to discern whether the troubles I'm having might be due to the ongoing failure of the now-external disk.
[00:16] <Biessie> gotcha
[00:16] <Biessie> hggdh : Thanks for the time to explain this to me
[00:16] <oerheks> it might work with a client and DMZ
[00:17] <hggdh> Biessie: yw
[00:17] <hggdh> Biessie: as an additional point, I have this issue on every deployment we do
[00:17] <tomreyn> myself: run "sudo apt install smartmontools; sudo smartctl -a /dev/sdb" to inspect the status of the external disk.
[00:20] <myself> Heh. Says 'passed' but the reallocated sector count is up to 40 now. Crap.
[00:21] <tomreyn> Biessie: for monitoring proper service availability / operation, it completely makes sense to test this from outside of your network. and you could rent a cheap VPS somewhere to run a socks5 (or 4a) proxy or VPN (just for yourself) on it, then use this to access the services you host like anyone else would (be sure to do nameresolution remotely, so on the VPS).
[00:21] <tomreyn> myself: that's not too much. would oyu like to share the output?
[00:22] <tomreyn> !pastebinit | myself
[00:22] <Biessie> tomreyn : roger that!
[00:22] <myself> oh that's super amusing! Coming right up.
[00:23] <myself> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/9STXWmpZVx/
[00:24] <myself> (now if I was running irssi on the affected machine, I could /exec that...)
[00:25] <hggdh> myself: and risk being quieted for a while because you would have dumped a lot of lines here :-)
[00:25] <myself> nah, pastebinit only has a single line of output :)
[00:26] <tomreyn> just the url
[00:26] <tomreyn> myself: make sure you use discard / TRIM on all block device layers
[00:27] <tomreyn> myself: so what kind of error messages are there about this disk?
[00:28] <myself> oh, pastebinit doesn't grab stderr by default :)
[00:29] <TJ-> myself: It could be related to "Unexpect_Power_Loss_Ct" since the reallocated sectors raw count is exactly double the unexpected power loss.
[00:29] <myself> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/V8yHCgZFKn/
[00:30] <myself> TJ-: most of those power losses are just in the last few minutes unplugging the USB device :) But no, it started flaking out after the machine had been on several days continuous, I don't think there's a correlation.
[00:31] <TJ-> myself: is this on an external USB<>SATA bridge by any chance?
[00:31] <myself> It is now. It was internally installed when it failed.
[00:32] <myself> Backstory: I recently replaced my laptop's main SSD, so the old drive (with my encrypted ubuntu 16.04 installation on it) is now hanging off an external USB interface. When I plug it into my (fresh 18.04) system now, it prompts me for a password, which I supply.....and then nothing happens.
[00:33] <myself> The disk isn't decrypting/mounting. I thought it was a duplicate-vg-name problem so I renamed one of my VGs but I think I might've hosed that up at this point.
[00:34] <TJ-> myself: have you tried using the manual 'cryptsetup' command in case there's additional diagnostic messages from the CLI?
[00:36] <TJ-> myself: and this (now external SSD) was developing I/O errors whilst still in the laptop on the native SATA interface?
[00:36] <myself> Right, that's why I replaced it.
[00:36] <myself> cryptsetup seems to have done something without error this time...
[00:37] <myself> progress: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/bC5s6DYwSn/
[00:38] <myself> now I just need to mount it, I think...
[00:39] <TJ-> myself: for that model I'm reading info that suggests the issue could be related to the SSD's "DevSleep" mode, for which there is a firmware fix apparently. This thread offers more info: https://communities.intel.com/thread/125108
[00:41] <myself> oh interesting! From the looks of that thread, I'd expect that failure to present differently, but sure, updating the firmware (once I get my files off it) can't hurt.
[00:41] <TJ-> Well, if the SSD is in dev-sleep mode I'd expect it to fail a read :) It's certainly worth exploring
[00:42] <myself> To be clear, this isn't particularly urgent; dejadup has me covered up 'til about a week ago, except for a VM image that I could live without. It'd be a great exercise to get the files off, but I'm not gonna cry if I can't.
[00:42] <myself> (much love for dejadup!)
[00:42] <TJ-> is the kernel reporting I/O errors now you've opened the LUKS device manually?
[00:43] <TJ-> If the device is in a mobile PC then the battery power-saving settings may be too aggresively setting the sleep mode of the SSD - possibly using hdparm to change that could help, for example
[00:44] <myself> dmesg is a wall of errors...
[00:44] <myself> I'm using 100% default settings on a thinkpad with ubuntu, tried to go with the most-likely-to-be-correct-out-of-the-box hardware I could, hoping to avoid the sort of tinkering that gets me into trouble ;)
[00:44] <myself> but yeah, if it's not set by default, it's not set.
[00:48] <TJ-> what does "sudo hdparm -C /dev/sdc" report ? (shows the power state)
[00:50] <myself> standby
[00:51] <TJ-> and does that change if, in another terminal, you try to access the drive?
[00:51] <tomreyn> sdc? https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/yQdhnV9GNt/
[00:51] <myself> I have a couple different USB-SATA bridges over here, I noticed the disk was vanishing when I had it attached to the USB3 unit, so I stuffed it into a USB2 enclosure instead and it seems much improved.
[00:52] <TJ-> myself: you'd expect it to show "drive state is:  active/idle"
[00:52] <myself> the sdb/sdc thing is probably because I switched bridge chips
[00:52] <tomreyn> oh ok, i hadnt seen the latest state
[00:53] <myself> Heh. Even while actively running the disks benchmark tool, and watching the activity light on the bridge chip flicker like mad, hdparm -C still shows "standby"
[00:54] <TJ-> myself: DevSleep is documented in section 5.3 of https://www.intel.com/content/dam/www/public/us/en/documents/product-specifications/ssd-540s-series-spec.pdf
[00:55] <TJ-> myself: that could be the bridge chip lying; many of those chipsets are poor with regard to correctly supporting the SATA/AHCI requirements
[00:56] <tomreyn> if you have a chance to connect it directly to a sata bus, do.
[00:56] <myself> I'll look DevSleep that if I decide to place the drive back in service, but at the moment my interest is really in figuring out how to mount this thing...
[00:56] <myself> New thinkpads lack the ultrabay, sadly :(
[00:56] <myself> (and no esata port, etc)
[00:56] <tomreyn> do you have more computers?
[00:57] <myself> Swimming further away from shore sounds like fun... (xkcd 345)
[00:58] <tomreyn> sometimes the oasis is situated behind a drift hill
[00:58] <myself> It'll be considerably harder to get pastebin stuff from that machine. But, yeah, let me see if it'll boot.
[00:59] <TJ-> myself: if you've opened the LUKS device, and activated the LVM side, then mount should be straight-forward. But, if the kernel is reporting I/O errors, but SMART shows the drive basically clean, then you have to suspect the (USB) interface
[01:00] <myself> I'm trying to learn enough to know whether I've opened a LUKS device or not...
[01:01] <TJ-> myself: when you do "cryptsetup open --type=luks ..." you'll get a device node in /dev/mapper/ which, from your pastebin, looks like sdc5_crypt - does that sound correct?
[01:01] <tomreyn> is "dmsetup ls" shows the "_crypt" device then its open, otherwise not.
[01:02] <TJ-> myself: if at that point there are I/O errors, then LVM activation will fail, which sounds like what you're experiencing
[01:04] <myself> Ooo. I think I've got it, I needed to rerun a mount command which failed previously. I see files now.
[01:05] <TJ-> myself: is that for sdc5_crypt ?
[01:07] <myself> this time I had to mount by the vg name but it seems to have worked
[01:12] <TJ-> Yes, that is correct, the order is "raw disk" > "partition" > "LUKS device" > "LVM VG" > "LVM LV" > "mount file-system" !
[01:12] <myself> oh dear
[01:12] <myself> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/Mf7C26j8fR/
[01:12] <myself> I seem to have two things mounted on /
[01:13] <myself> (So, I screwed up when I tried to rename one of the vgs, 'oldvg' is actually the running system, 'ubuntu-vg' is the data on the failing disk)
[01:14] <TJ-> right, you've mounted the 'broken' vg-root onto / - not good!
[01:14] <myself> that seems to have happened automagically when I ran cryptsetup
[01:15] <TJ-> what you should do is something like: "sudo mkdir -p /mnt/broken; sudo mount /dev/mapper/ubuntu--vg-root /mnt/broken"
[01:16] <myself> Yes that worked! I couldn't figure out how to unmount it but remounting it somewhere else did the trick. Thank you.
[01:16] <Prestige> so I swapped out my ethernet cable for a longer one (moved my desk) and now I can't connect over LAN
[01:17] <Prestige> tried 3 different cat5e cables and no cigar
[01:17] <TJ-> myself: possibly because when the encrypted device is opened, it will be scanned by LVM, the VG seen, and automatically activated. But that shouldn't cause a mount operation **unless* there is a matching entry in the running /etc/fstab which uses the UUID= form - I'm suspecting you may have duplicate file-system UUIDs which is bad
[01:17] <Prestige> cold rebooted twice
[01:17] <Prestige> any advice?
[01:17] <myself> shouldn't be duplicate UUIDs, but definitely duplicate vg's at some point and probably stale entries in somewhere.
[01:18] <myself> Prestige: can you move the machine back temporarily to test with the original cable? Also check the jack for crud.
[01:18] <TJ-> myself: right, "sudo blkid" can help confirm that
[01:18] <Prestige> it'd be an enormous pain to do so, but it was working with the other cable right before I moved the computer
[01:18] <Prestige> i think the other is cat6 but it's like 4' long
[01:19] <myself> TJ-: No duplicate UUIDs, glad to report.
[01:19] <TJ-> Prestige: can you test the new cable(s) with an alternate (laptop) PC maybe?
[01:19] <Prestige> yeah they're working on my laptop
[01:19] <myself> Modern ethernet chipsets will negotiate 100/full over a piece of wet string...
[01:19] <myself> Connect the laptop to the desktop, see if either side gets linkbeat?
[01:20] <Prestige> my computer tries connection at 10 Mb/s (even though I have gigabit internet)
[01:20] <Prestige> and then it fails to even connect at 10
[01:21] <TJ-> Prestige: does "ethtool" report the link up and a data rate?
[01:21] <Prestige> don't appear to have that installed
[01:22] <Prestige> give me a min
[01:22] <TJ-> Prestige: how about checking the kernel log? does it report link-up messages?
[01:23] <Prestige> https://pastebin.com/Es5zsdTJ
[01:23] <Prestige> from ethtool
[01:26] <Prestige> also this, from dmesg https://pastebin.com/JcQJkgd8
[01:27] <myself> it's up but at 10, that screams like broken cable or dirty contact. Differential signalling fails *hard* if only one wire of a pair is making contact.
[01:27] <Prestige> the interface says my wired connection is off
[01:27] <Prestige> so idk why that's reporting otherwise
[01:27] <Prestige> if I turn my wifi off, I have no internet at all
[01:30] <Prestige> but anyway, the cables im using are brand new
[01:30] <Prestige> so i dont think that's it
[01:31] <tomreyn> make sure both ends of the cable are grounded
[01:31] <myself> grounded? it's ethernet, it's galvanically isolated by transformers on both ends.
[01:31] <tomreyn> so the NICs or computers or switches or routers they plug into
[01:32] <tomreyn> yes, hopefully so.
[01:32] <Bashing-om> Prestige: Bent pin on the NIC cable connection ? .. took me several days once to find my bent pin .
[01:32] <Prestige> yeah idk what u mean by grounded ethernet cableslol
[01:32] <myself> Dirt in the jack is the most likely. Get in there with some compressed air or a toothpick. Moving the machine gives a good opportunity for crud to sneak in.
[01:32] <Prestige> hmm I hope not but maybe
[01:32] <Prestige> I'll check her out
[01:32] <myself> yeah, dirt should've fallen out after repeated replugs, bent pin is a good theory too.
[01:33] <TJ-> Prestige: sounds to me like a bent pin, or short, in the connector sockets at one end or the other.
[01:34] <TJ-> Prestige: did you try connecting to an alternative socket on the switch/router end ?
[01:34] <TJ-> Prestige: that'd help pin-point which end the fault is
[01:35] <Prestige> yeah i tried 4 different ports on the router
[01:35] <Prestige> I just checked my computer, no bent pins/dirt
[01:36] <Prestige> maybe I should try manual configuration..
[01:36] <TJ-> Prestige: the other possibility is 'relaxed' terminals, where they aren't fully connecting with the plug
[01:36] <Prestige> hmm idk about that
[01:37] <TJ-> Prestige: is the longer cable laid next to anything that is very electrically noisy, like an air-conditioner
[01:37] <myself> Can you bring any other device (spare router, laptop, whatever) near the desktop and plug them together with the known-good cable, just to see if link comes up? Doesn't need internet access, just linkbeat.
[01:37] <oerheks> new cables can be broken too..
[01:38] <Prestige> nothing noisy near, and the cable works on my laptop
[01:38] <TJ-> Prestige: re: relaxed terminals. In the socket are 8 spring-loaded terminals. Sometimes 1 or more can 'relax' or not press firmly onto the pins on the plug. I've fixed that by gently levering them with a pin or needle a few times
[01:39] <TJ-> Prestige: is it an Intel chipset for the Ethernet device? I know of some problems caused by power-saving modes with some
[01:39] <TJ-> Prestige: and, if it is, have you been dual-booting that PC with Windows too?
[01:39] <myself> but if it worked yesterday...
[01:39] <Prestige> it worked earlier today with the cat6 cable
[01:39] <Prestige> these new ones at cat5e
[01:39] <oerheks> reset router perhaps?
[01:39] <Prestige> suppose I could give it a shot
[01:40] <TJ-> It's either physical, or a PHY layer issue
[01:40] <oerheks> that would clear all leases
[01:40] <TJ-> oerheks: it's not getting that far
[01:40] <TJ-> oerheks: the physical link isn't able to electrically negotiate the line
[01:41] <myself> I have a box of cat333 around here somewhere, I'm tempted to do some BER testing on a max-length line just to see how modern chipsets feel about it ;)
[01:41] <oerheks> TJ-, yes, and it works with his other machine, that makes no sense..
[01:41] <myself> er, cat3
[01:42] <TJ-> After cat9 the network is dead!
[01:44] <myself> then we have to move to hex, catA and catB cables will be the stiffness of gardenhose and fencepost, respectively.
[01:45] <Prestige_> welp same issue
[01:47] <Prestige> do u think maybe my nic only accepts cat6 for some reason
[01:47] <TJ-> Prestige: doubt it. what is the chipset? can you show us "pastebinit <( lspci -nn )"
[01:48] <Prestige> https://pastebin.com/htEdquEw
[01:49] <TJ-> Prestige: I think my earlier suspicion may be correct; seen this many times with that chipset "Ethernet controller [0200]: Intel Corporation Ethernet Connection (2) I219-V [8086:15b8]"
[01:49] <TJ-> Prestige: are you dual-booting with Windows ?
[01:49] <Prestige> no
[01:50] <TJ-> This chipset has a low-power mode which it can get stuck in. when this happens for some reason the Linux kernel driver can't fully initialise it.
[01:50] <Prestige> hmmm
[01:51] <TJ-> Prestige: in the cases I've dealt with, the cause was the Windows driver using the power savings mode and when the PC rebooted into Linux, the driver couldn't fully activate the NIC. In that case the solution was to, in Windows Device Manager, for the NIC, disable the power saving modes
[01:52] <TJ-> Prestige: but it's also possible something else has caused the same issue
[01:52] <Prestige> I really don't have any idea on how to debug that lol
[01:52] <TJ-> Prestige: but I'd still suspect the physical connection based on what you've told us so far
[01:53] <TJ-> Prestige: have you tried connecting the PC and the laptop directly together with the 'bad' cable and see if there's any different behaviour?
[01:53] <Prestige> I haven't. would that just create a loopback connection or something?
[01:54] <oerheks> enp0s31f6: renamed from eth0 .. new naming from old ?
[01:54] <TJ-> No, it's a direct connection, perfectly usable. Gigabit interfaces MUST do auto-MDIX to configure themselves
[01:54] <Prestige> idrk
[01:55] <Prestige> oerheks, think the autorenaming could be causing an issue?
[01:55] <TJ-> Prestige: nothing to do with naming
[01:56] <TJ-> The link negotiation is done at the physical, chipset layer. That is failing.
[01:57] <Prestige> this is nuts
[01:57] <TJ-> Prestige: did you check in the PC's firmware/BIOS set-up in case there are some options affecting the NIC ?
[01:57] <Prestige> maybe I should go trade this cable for a cat6 and see if that does anything
[01:57] <Prestige> I mean it was working earlier today with another cable so I don't think any bios settings would affect it
[01:58] <myself> Yeah, trade the cable, or find a way to test again with the known-working cable
[01:58] <TJ-> You'd be surprised! if the PC has been turned off in the meantime especially
[01:58] <TJ-> As has been said, testing the cable(s) with direct connections between laptop and desktop PCs is the quickest way
[01:59] <Prestige> ok I'll try that out
[02:03] <Prestige> nothing showing up yet
[02:06] <Prestige> nothing shows on the desktop, the laptop keeps saying "connecting..." then "Cable is unplugged"
[02:11] <qwebirc81708> Hi.  I need some help with my ubuntu server.
[02:12] <qwebirc81708> It seems to be crashing for some unknown reason every day or so.
[02:13] <qwebirc81708> it doesn't shut down either  but the display stops working and its not reachable on the network.
[02:13] <qwebirc81708> ubuntu lts 16.04.4
[02:14] <qwebirc81708> I thought it might be a memory issue but memtest86 seemed fine and I tried swapping out the memory without any change.
[02:15] <TJ-> qwebirc81708: when you restart it, do the log files give any clues of what was going on when the freeze/crash happened?
[02:15] <Bashing-om> qwebirc81708: nvidia graphics with the nouveau driver ?
[02:15] <Loshki> qwebirc81708: how much RAM, and did you run memtest overnight?
[02:16] <TJ-> Prestige: since the problem started have you completely powered off the desktop PC, unplugging from wall ?
[02:16] <Prestige> yeah ive done 2 cold reboots
[02:19] <TJ-> does the known good cable work between laptop and desktop PCs ?
[02:20] <qwebirc81708> no video drivers its a server, so no x.
[02:20] <TJ-> I should say "does it STILL work" ?
[02:20] <qwebirc81708> memtest86 for 14 hours
[02:20] <qwebirc81708> its been unplugged a few times yes.
[02:20] <TJ-> qwebirc81708: are you monitoring temperatures?
[02:20] <qwebirc81708> and its on a ups.
[02:20] <qwebirc81708> hmm no.
[02:20] <Prestige> i am confusion
[02:21] <qwebirc81708> i've also checked the syslot etc. and theres never any indication of anything in the log.
[02:21] <qwebirc81708> they just stup.
[02:21] <qwebirc81708> stop
[02:21] <TJ-> qwebirc81708: could be an overheating issue, possibly caused by an intensive cron job ?
[02:21] <qwebirc81708> i gues I should try monitoring temps.
[02:21] <qwebirc81708> not any intensive cron jobs i don't think.
[02:21] <qwebirc81708> mostly its a plex server.
[02:21] <TJ-> qwebirc81708: also, has it started since a recent kernel upgrade? if so, try booting with an older kernel version
[02:22] <qwebirc81708> nah its been happening for like six months now.
[02:22] <TJ-> qwebirc81708: could it be a chipset config issue due to a firmware/BIOS setting ?
[02:22] <qwebirc81708> I will see aboutn monitoring the timps.
[02:22] <qwebirc81708> temps
[02:27] <myself> Prestige: Sounds like the desktop NIC died. That's really odd. On the plus side, NICs are cheap. (Probably cheaper than the pain of moving the desktop back to do more testing..)
[02:27] <learningc> How do I get the kernel source?
[02:27] <myself> On the other-plus side, I got the files I care about off my failing drive!
[02:27] <tomreyn> qwebirc81708: you could provide some hardware /firmware information using: pastebinit <( sudo dmidecode --type baseboard; sudo dmidecode --type bios )
[02:28] <TJ-> !kernel
[02:28] <TJ-> myself: can you RMA the drive?
[02:29] <myself> I'll have to check on warranty status, but I'm definitely gonna look into it.
[02:29] <persi> Eric^^ you still there?
[02:29] <myself> Thank you for all your help, TJ- and tomreyn!
[02:29] <tomreyn> myself: welcome.
[02:29] <Prestige> ty all for ur time
[02:30] <qwebirc81708> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/JQXwXYhD9X/
[02:30] <persi> paging ioria :D
[02:31] <tomreyn> qwebirc81708: oh that's a ryzen cpu right?
[02:31] <qwebirc81708> yeah
[02:32] <tomreyn> qwebirc81708: well those can freeze on low load, known hardware bug
[02:32] <learningc> Thanks TJ-
[02:33] <tomreyn> qwebirc81708: the workaround is to get the latest available bios and change a setting there to the non default value. let me get the details
[02:33] <tomreyn> https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=196683
[02:34] <tomreyn> qwebirc81708: you need to set "Power Supply Idle Control" to the non-default value of "Typical Current".
[02:34] <qwebirc81708> wow
[02:34] <qwebirc81708> omg
[02:35] <qwebirc81708> thank you tomreyn
[02:35] <qwebirc81708> I ow you a beer.
[02:35] <tomreyn> ;)
[02:35] <tomreyn> better try it first and see if it works. but i'm almost sure it will.
[02:35] <qwebirc81708> it sounds like exactly my problem.
[02:35] <qwebirc81708> <3<3<3
[02:36] <qwebirc81708> okay now I gotta chase down my child for bedtime
[02:36] <qwebirc81708> but thanks a million
[02:36] <qwebirc81708> this has been vexing me for litteral months.
[02:36] <tomreyn> ;) welcome, good luck on your chase
[02:38] <TJ-> !cookie tomreyn
[02:41] <zmugg> radolf
[02:56] <raub> Bind questions: would changes in /etc/bind/named.conf.local overrule those in files included earlier?
[03:25] <kubast2> hey my mouse sorta works funky
[03:26] <kubast2> it likes to sorta jump around random directions when it stops moving/the pull rate decreases
[03:26] <kubast2> *the mouse got variable pull rate from what I saw on terminal
[03:26] <kubast2> from 0hz to 1000hz
[03:27] <kubast2> might actually just be that my mouse pad is used up
[03:27] <kubast2> nope
[03:27] <kubast2> I removed a single hair from the sensor area thought that would do the trick
[03:29] <kubast2> gonna check live cd
[04:20] <jamie1>  how hard is it to install Windows after ubuntu?
[04:23] <DrEmmettBrown> windows will fuck up grub
[04:23] <DrEmmettBrown> so you will need to get your live usb again and rebuild grub
[04:23] <DrEmmettBrown> imo it's better to do windows and then ubuntu if possible
[04:23] <SwedeMike> jamie1: https://paenatwilai.com/2017/04/11/step-by-step-how-install-window-after-linux-ubuntu/
[04:23] <rangemonger> is it just me or do the mouse sensativity/accel settings in lubuntu not do anything?
[04:25] <jamie1> will that work with uefi booting rangemonger
[04:26] <rangemonger> jamie1: you sure that question was for me?
[04:26] <jamie1> nope lol
[04:26] <jamie1> swedemike
[04:26] <rangemonger> :]
[04:26] <SwedeMike> jamie1: I have no information that isn't in that article.
[04:49] <afidegnum> hello, how do i convert an extended logical to extended primary partition?
[04:51] <lotuspsychje> !partitioning | afidegnum start here
[04:52] <afidegnum> I had my partitions already and gparted is not allowing me to convert the extended=> logical parttion to a bootable one
[04:56] <mio> hi everyone
[04:57] <tomreyn> afidegnum: do you run ubuntu, debian, or something else?
[05:02] <sjvxiid71> hie
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[05:03] <sjvxiid71> mkc bc
[05:03] <sjvxiid71> hello
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[05:03] <sjvxiid71> friends
[05:04] <sjvxiid71> mkb
[05:06] <subham> hey
[05:06] <sjvxiid71> lkb
[05:06] <subham> bkb
[05:06] <sjvxiid71> yo ma boi
[05:06] <subham> yo mai pota
[05:06] <sjvxiid71> imma fuckboi
[05:07] <lotuspsychje> !ops | sjvxiid71 known troll
[05:08] <DalekSec> sjvxiid71: Hello, this is the Ubuntu support channel, not a general playground channel.  Would you mind taking that elsewhere, unless you have an Ubuntu support question?
[05:09] <sjvxiid71> ya who's your momma?
[05:09] <subham> kya bol raha tha be
[05:09] <sjvxiid71> douchebag mothafucka!!!
[05:33] <TrickkyTyp8r> Hey whjats up guys
[05:34] <TrickkyTyp8r> good morning everyone
[05:39] <vali> morning
[05:56] <yixin> 大家好
[06:00] <nikolam> Does your File>Open dialogue form applications have an ability to enter/paste full path to desired fiel to open? (i am on Xubuntu and it doesn't anymore...)
[06:01] <nikolam> file
[06:01] <rangemonger> ill try
[06:01] <rangemonger> one sec
[06:02] <rangemonger> which app are you opening from?
[06:04] <rangemonger> nikolam: you might be right, i dont see a way to do it anymore :[
[06:05] <nikolam> rangemonger, I wonder if this si Ubuntu problem, Xubuntu problem, Xfce problem or..
[06:05] <rangemonger> nikolam: might have something do to with them switching things to gtk3 maybe?
[06:07] <nikolam> wonder if it is the same on Ubuntu/GNOME..
[06:07] <PHPLearner> hi
[06:07] <rangemonger> ill find out, one sec
[06:07] <PHPLearner> anyone here has installed Filezilla into Ubuntu 16.04 LTS
[06:07] <rangemonger> ive got a vm for every official buntu
[06:09] <nikolam> great, rangemonger
[06:09] <easyOnMe> anyone here has installed Filezilla into Ubuntu 16.04 LTS
[06:09] <rangemonger> crap, its pretty much the same
[06:10] <paul_> hii
[06:11] <nikolam> So it is consistent in missing that feature across Ubuntu flavors, so got to be it is something with libraries maybe
[06:12] <nikolam> Or at least those flavors using GTK3
[06:12] <rangemonger> nikolam: its pretty much the same on any gtk ubuntu
[06:12] <rangemonger> ill try manjaro and see if its like that
[06:12] <nikolam> So seems like GTK3 feature problem
[06:13] <rangemonger> yeah, thats my guess
[06:13] <rangemonger> other than gnome, everything should have stayed at or forked gtk2
[06:14] <easyOnMe> anyone here has installed Filezilla into Ubuntu 16.04 LTS
[06:14] <rangemonger> yep, its not different on manjaro xfce
[06:14] <rangemonger> easyOnMe: it would appear not at the moment
[06:15] <rangemonger> nikolam: it just seems like gtk3 flat out doesnt have that feature
[06:15] <easyOnMe> rangemonger: what do you mean
[06:16] <rangemonger> easyOnMe: im guessing no one that is active here at the moment is using filezilla
[06:16] <easyOnMe> rangemonger: just want to ask you
[06:17] <easyOnMe> I installed it using Ubuntu Software and now I am trying to look for it using Ubuntu Software to uninstall it I cannot find it
[06:17] <easyOnMe> is there anything else I need to do
[06:17] <easyOnMe> to uninstall this without having to use the terminal
[06:18] <rangemonger> easyOnMe: install synaptic, then you can (un)install stuff with a gui that works, i find the software center always has problems
[06:19] <rbb> #engineyard
[06:20] <rangemonger> nikolam: wow, the kde open is so much nicer, unfortunetely gtk apps still launch the gtk one from within kde
[06:29] <easyOnMe> what is the command to find channels
[06:29] <easyOnMe> on this chat
[06:30] <EriC^^> !alis
[06:31] <easyOnMe> /!alis Filezilla
[06:31] <easyOnMe> is it like that
[06:33] <ducasse> easyOnMe: read the message from ubottu
[06:34] <easyOnMe> ducasse: ok thanks :)
[06:43] <pipo9x> Hi! I'm trying to run a cron job by adding it to /var/spool/cron/crontabs/root, but it doesn't work. Even if I try to add "* * * * * root echo hi >/tmp/file", it just creates an empty file. I've tried using the absolute path to echo, that doesn't help.
[06:48] <jeffguorg> pipe9x, have you tried to wrap it in a bash script?
[06:48] <jeffguorg> pipo9x, sorry, typo
[06:50] <pipo9x> Wait, I think I got it - you shouldn't specify the user to run as in a user's spool file. I'll be right back.
[06:53] <pipo9x> Yep, that's it.
[07:00] <arunkumar413> does ubuntu run smooothly on macbook air
[07:01] <rangemonger> arunkumar413: probably, how much ram?
[07:03] <arunkumar413> 8GB
[07:04] <rangemonger> arunkumar413: yes, thats more than enough
[07:04] <arunkumar413> Randolf: I mean how is the performance
[07:04] <arunkumar413> does it consume more battery
[07:04] <arunkumar413> heatup
[07:05] <arunkumar413> availability of drivers
[07:05] <arunkumar413> etc
[07:06] <arunkumar413> were there any tests done like the processor usage when multiple youtube videos are run
[07:10] <artur> hi
[07:10] <artur> hi
[07:11] <artur> hi
[07:32] <thatlizdude> if I generate an SSH key with a password, and I'm using it to login to my VPS, how come it doesn't require me to enter the key
[07:32] <thatlizdude> *key's password?
[07:33] <fub> Hi. While doing at upt upgrade, installing linux-headers-4.15.0-23-generic is stuck (same as when I did the upgrade the last time).
[07:33] <fub> I aborted and did a dpkg --configure -a now, but its again stuck. What can I do?
[07:40] <ppf> 'stuck'?
[07:41] <EriC^^> fub: pastebin the output
[07:43] <fub> EriC^^: Setting up linux-headers-4.15.0-23-generic (4.15.0-23.25) ...
[07:43] <fub> then its like frozen. Nothing happens (even after a long time), ctrl+c also does not work.
[07:44] <ppf> top?
[07:47] <fub> ppf: I killed it some minutes ago and started it again, it runs through now.
[07:47] <fub> I had this exact same problem the last time I run upgrade.
[07:56] <doug16k> thatlizdude, you must be mistaken. the key must not be password protected, or it isn't using the key you think it is using
[07:59] <blackflow> thatlizdude: it asks the first time and then doesn't? that's ssh-agent at work, caching the credentials.
[07:59] <gigirock> fub, ..... or you don't clean your cache
[08:02] <fub> gigirock: what do you mean?
[08:04] <Boyette> !queueStatus
[08:06] <thatlizdude> no I found out the key doesn't use a password...
[08:06] <thatlizdude> but thanks you :D
[08:06] <gigirock> fub, please clean your pak cache before to upgrade , and be sure you don't have many linux kernel files versions in your system
[08:06] <ppf> gigirock: why?
[08:06] <fub> gigirock: "and be sure you don't have many linux kernel files versions in your system" how do I ensure this?
[08:07] <ppf> gigirock: that's homeopathy ;)
[08:08] <gigirock> ppf, fub , the system seems stucked but it is solving all the dependencies , if you have 7 times installed linux headers or so , the dpkg try to keep your system in the way you can run all those kernel version at boot
[08:09] <ppf> gigirock: yeah no not really
[08:09] <ppf> dpkg doesn't try to satisfy dependencies, it just checks them
[08:10] <gigirock> dpkg --list | grep linux-image try this to check what is installed
[08:10] <ppf> they were install ing linux-headers, not linux-image, so grub isn't involved
[08:11] <fub> gigirock, ppf: http://dpaste.com/3QNPNAP
[08:12] <gigirock> fub, wow what a collection !
[08:13] <fub> I did not do this on purpose, can this happen when keeping a system for a long time and updating it regulary?
[08:13] <gigirock> if we were able to have a kind a verbosity or log we can realize what the system do during these 'stuck' phase
[08:13] <fub> the package is installed now, so I guess I have to wait for the next kernel so the headers will be downloaded?
[08:14] <fub> otherwise I dont know how to reproduce it with this state
[08:14] <gigirock> fub, yes sure
[08:14] <gigirock> fub, try sudo apt autoremove now
[08:16] <fub> gigirock: http://dpaste.com/1582EXY
[08:16] <gigirock> fub , bingo
[08:18] <gigirock> i leave 3 complete kern set on my system normally
[08:19] <fub> sounds good
[08:19] <fub> do I have to apt remove them now all manually?
[08:22] <gigirock> fub, sudo apt autoremove should remove at all
[08:31] <fub> only the packages printed in the paste above are removed.
[08:33] <newrg> Hello,I recently installed Kubuntu 18.04 and boot takes up about a minute and shows some errors. I did some search and found this https://paste.debian.net/1031636/ Please help.
[08:34] <newrg> one more thing,I have Kubuntu installed on Legacy BIOS,secure boot : off ; when I tried to move to UEFI BIOS- I was unable to do so.On running diagnostic,it shows Hard Disk self-test unsucessful,terminated.
[08:38] <blackflow> newrg: EFI boot requires EFI specific installation with an ESP
[08:41] <newrg> backflow: okay,thanks but is it normal for boot to take about a minute in legacy mode and all these errors?
[08:41] <nikolam> My webcam seems not to be working in applications (cheese, skype), but it displays video in v4lLinux Control panel
[08:42] <nikolam> it is pac 7311 with image upside-down, but panel allows image to be flipped vertically.
[08:54] <gigirock> nikolam, what does it means it is pac 7311
[08:56] <nikolam> gigirock, lsmod says it has gspca_pac7311 kernel module (driver) loaded, when webcam is inserted.
[08:58] <fub> gigirock: so we interpreted the output of dpkg wrong
[08:58] <fub> they are all "rc", so they are not installed
[09:00] <gigirock> fub, the issue is so wide , there are also the .deb cache of the packages that you installed and then uninstalled
[09:01] <fub> so what do you suggest to do now?
[09:04] <gigirock> fub, google is your friend, the Net is plenty of guide how to clean and maintain your system, I think there is also an 'official' ubuntu guide about this issue..........................
[09:07] <fub> gigirock: what I fail to see here is what I should look for. I do not need to uninstall old kernel iamges because they are in fact not installed
[09:07] <fub> I need to know the problem before looking for a solution
[09:07] <fub> thats why I am here
[09:09] <osz> Hi everyone, I bought a domain on godaddy and setup a server on my ubuntu server including dns, rdns, NS and all other records but when I tried browsing my domain name it said cant be reached and when I changed the NS records on Godaddt account it say it cant be found. Please advise on how to fix this
[09:09] <baako> hi guys, i am having to run sudo with docker, e.g. sudo docker-compose up or docker exec . how can i do this without having to do sudo all the time
[09:11] <nur> question, is Python 3 the default Python in Ubuntu 18.04?
[09:11] <nur> because I just installed, it started up the interpreter, and it says Python 2.7 :(
[09:11] <baako> i ran  usermod -aG docker ${USER} but it sais permission denied so i did it with sudo. I then closed the terminal and open it again but still need to use sudo with docker again
[09:12] <blackflow> osz: is your domain "pointed at" your server's IP?  (valid A/AAAA records)
[09:12] <iamd3vil> baako, You need to logout and login for the changes to take affect
[09:12] <baako> okay will do now
[09:13] <baako> will be back if it doesnt work
[09:13] <osz> blackflow: Nop. Should create an A record on my registrar to point my domain name to my server IP?
[09:13] <blackflow> osz: yes. also, running a server and managing your own domain requires knowledge of the subject so I recommend you learn how it all works, what the records are and how to manage them.
[09:15] <osz> blackflow: that is exactly what I am doing, I am learning and messing around things. thanks for your support
[09:17] <blackflow> osz: #ubuntu is also not the place for it as it's nothing ubuntu specific, unless you have an issue with an installation of bind 9 nameserver.
[09:19] <osz> blackflow: Well noted
[09:20] <blackflow> osz: btw, once you set up your records, it might take a while until your computer can access them, due to your resolver (and it's upstreams) caching the previous response.
[09:20] <eraserpencil> Hi! I think I accidentally deleted a folder that is crucial to storing repository files. Now I cant apt-get update/apt-get upgrade
[09:23] <blackflow> eraserpencil: time to test your backups. do you know which folder was ..... erased? :)
[09:23] <eraserpencil> I havent done a backup yet.
[09:24] <eraserpencil> it was .config if I'm not mistaken
[09:24] <eraserpencil> or .cache
[09:24] <blackflow> eraserpencil: do you know the full path?
[09:25] <eraserpencil> full path of?
[09:25] <eraserpencil> /home/me/.cache ?
[09:25] <blackflow> that path is not relevant for apt.
[09:26] <blackflow> and btw, is volatile and should thus re-create itself by applications that put stuff there. migth require you to log out and log back into your DE
[09:27] <eraserpencil> That's what I did. but I see alot less contents though
[09:28] <eraserpencil> how about .config
[09:29] <blackflow> nothing in your ~/ (home) folder is relevant for apt. But, ~/.config is a different story from .cache, losing it will require you to recreate all teh application configs. how? depedns on the application, usually populated on first start
[09:31] <maarhart> I want to connect two bluetooth earphones to my computer. Is there any way to do this?
[09:35] <admins_> hello guys
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[09:37] <blackflow> eraserpencil: btw, can you pastebin the apt error you're getting?
[09:42] <qwebirc56401> hello
[09:48] <eraserpencil> blackflow: https://ghostbin.com/paste/3s7dd
[09:49] <blackflow> eraserpencil: the nvidia.github.io repo seems broken   and indeed, the domain doesn't exist.  wth is that?
[09:52] <eraserpencil> it would seem I have missing gpg keys too
[09:57] <testcase> hello all
[09:57] <testcase> how could i clear the message tray from command line ( bash script ), ubuntu 18.04 LTS default gnome
[09:57] <testcase> https://imagebin.ca/v/47HiaI8QBTLH
[09:58] <testcase> there is an "clear everything" button , that does the job, but i need the bash version of that command .. for scripting ..
[10:02] <blackflow> testcase: if it exists, it'll probably go through dbus
[10:03] <testcase> how would a dbus message ( clear ) look like ?
[10:03] <blackflow> testcase: no idea. I mentioend this to point you to search through that on google
[10:06] <testcase> ok thanks
[10:06] <testcase> looking at dbus
[10:06] <baako> hi guys i am trying to check the permission for a folder an all its files to read, write and execute but when i run sudo chmod -r 755 folderName. when i right click on the folder and click on properties  and change permssion for enclosed files. Owner: read and write. Group: read-only. Others: Read-only
[10:07] <baako> I am still getting a permssion error when php trys to create a file
[10:07] <pipo9x> Hi! I have a computer with usb devices that fall off. If I unplug them and plug them in again, they start to working fine. Is there a way to determine whether an usb device has stopped working?
[10:08] <blackflow> baako: well 755 does not do what you want
[10:10] <baako> but blackflow atleast if i change the perimission using the GUI and click on "change" to save it, it still goes back to how it was
[10:10] <baako> Owner: read and write. Group:read-only. Others: Read-only
[10:11] <blackflow> baako: that's 644 on files
[10:11] <blackflow> are you owner of those files?
[10:11] <baako> blackflow: yea
[10:11] <baako> just git it
[10:13] <baako> i need to give the folders a write permission
[10:13] <blackflow> baako: right so what exactly you want to achieve? user writeable folders? those are default. you mention PHP, so how is that related. which user runs PHP?
[10:14] <baako> i want to give the folder and all the folders, file etc a read and write permssion
[10:14] <blackflow> baako: to whom? the owner?
[10:15] <baako> i clearly cant using the gui because it doesnt save, it just got back to what it was before i changed it
[10:15] <baako> the owner is me
[10:15] <blackflow> sigh.... WHOM do you want to give WRITE permission? owner? group? others?
[10:17] <baako> everyone
[10:17] <baako> group i guess
[10:17] <baako> blackflow: its okay
[10:17] <baako> ran 777
[10:17] <blackflow> well don't guess. what exactly do you want to achieve. toying wiht permissions like this with not knowing what exactly you want, leads to security issues and compromised servers.
[10:17] <blackflow> no don't run 777
[10:18] <baako> chmod -R 777 folderName and it works
[10:18] <ppf> 755 is u+rwx,go+rx
[10:18] <blackflow> 777 is the worst thing you can do
[10:18] <baako> its okay
[10:18] <baako> if anything changes before i commit to git i will know
[10:18] <blackflow> you want advice and help? 777 is not okay. also  it won't affect NEW files.
[10:18] <blackflow> you're doing it wrong.
[10:19] <baako> blackflow: so what do i?
[10:19] <blackflow> you start by defining WHO needs to write. you mentioned PHP. is it the PHP user?
[10:20] <baako> I did chmod -R 755
[10:21] <blackflow> baako: no, stop. -R does recursive change. you don't need +x on files. 755 is default for directories, where x means descending into the directory
[10:22] <ppf> blackflow: this is beyond repair
[10:23] <blackflow> if you want user "www-data" (for example) to write into some directory, best thing to do is to make that user OWN the directory.
[10:24] <blackflow> second best thing is to have www-data in the same group, and then give the group write permissions.  chmod g+w somedirectory
[10:25] <blackflow> so it boils down to what exactly you want to do. define WHO needs to write. and then give only that directly permissions. ownership is the best because then the process can create subdirectories and files in them with no need to adjust the perms.
[10:25] <blackflow> baako: and also with PHP you have to be _very_ careful that dirs PHP can write into are NOT dirs PHP can be executed from.
[10:27] <blackflow> ppf: yeah they'll probably just go with 777 because "it works". another day, another infected server.
[10:30] <baako> blackflow: i am not using php with ubuntu the usual way i am using docker for that
[10:31] <baako> the reason why i not too bother is i am using github to host my file and have aws for prod btu before it get to that level i have unit test. 777 is a bad idea but i dont just git add everything
[10:31] <blackflow> baako: all the more reason to make the process owning directories it's writing into
[10:31] <baako> i only add what i have changed
[10:32] <Xatenev> hello
[10:33] <Xatenev> i want to start a specific program but whe ni try to it sa<ys port 8080 is already in use
[10:33] <Xatenev> so i did lsof -i :8080 and it shows me the program
[10:33] <Xatenev> then i tried to do pkill -9 pidFromLsOf but its still there
[10:33] <Xatenev> what can i do
[10:34] <blackflow> baako: unit testing in particular requires you set everything up as close to prod as possible. security aside, 777 is a stopgap solution wihtout fixing the underlying issue.
[10:35] <ppf> Xatenev: pkill matches process names/patterns, not pids
[10:35] <ppf> you want kill
[10:35] <Xatenev> ppf, wow
[10:35] <Xatenev> ppf, thanks
[10:35] <Xatenev> im an idiot
[10:35] <Xatenev> xd
[10:36] <jeffguorg> blackflow, yes. it's weird but in china a low of ops disable selinux when there is 'Perm denied' error. but that does not fix the problem, just hide it from the underlying issue.
[10:37] <Tzunamii> Morning
[10:37] <jeffguorg> morning:)
[10:37] <R13ose> Hi
[10:38] <R13ose> When I press down on keys or trackpad, people can hear them through the mic.  How do I make that stop?
[10:38] <jeffguorg> R13ose, beep?
[10:39] <R13ose> jeffguorg: uh?
[10:40] <jeffguorg> what kind of sound? beep or what?
[10:40] <R13ose> jeffguorg: yes something like that
[10:46] <fub> ppf: so I just did an apt upgrade, and now a different installation is "stuck"
[10:46] <fub> http://dpaste.com/36P0GRP
[10:48] <fub> I can see this in ps: http://dpaste.com/0HVK7M6
[10:56] <fub> Is it safe to kill the whiptail?
[10:56] <ppf> i'd say yes, but i have no idea if that'll abort the installation
[10:57] <ppf> but maybe you can figure out what's going on first?
[10:57] <ppf> can you strace the process?
[10:59] <fub> ppf: for this I would need to kill it and start again, right?
[11:00] <ppf> you can attach strace now and see where it's hanging
[11:00] <ppf> fub: what system is this btw?
[11:00] <ppf> how are you running the upgrade?
[11:01] <ppf> whiptail is a UI process
[11:01] <ppf> it displays a messagebox
[11:02] <ChiLLabiS> The new updates makes my pc laggs when moving windows..
[11:03] <R13ose> I fixed the key press sound that was on my mic but I can't seem to fix the trackpad sound.  Any ideas on how to do that?
[11:03] <fub> ppf: ubuntu 18.04, running upgrade via "apt upgrade"
[11:04] <fub> Im running i3, maybe there was some problem with the messagebox..
[11:04] <ppf> hm it's possible
[11:04] <fub> should I attach strace to the whiptail=
[11:04] <ppf> can you run whiptail from a terminal?
[11:04] <fub> yes
[11:04] <fub> its a tui then
[11:04] <ppf> and it shows?
[11:05] <fub> yeah, used whiptail --msgbox foo 100 100
[11:05] <ppf> what's your shell?
[11:05] <fub> zsh
[11:06] <ppf> can you try in bash?
[11:06] <fub> executing whiptail?
[11:06] <ppf> yes
[11:06] <fub> works
[11:09] <ppf> you're running apt upgrade in a terminal as well?
[11:10] <fub> yes
[11:12] <ppf> just for fun: what happens if you just hit return in the terminal not showing the dialog?
[11:15] <fub> ppf: nothing
[11:15] <ppf> what's fd 12 of that process?
[11:15] <fub> how do I figure this out?
[11:16] <ppf> ls /proc/29018/12
[11:16] <ppf> ls /proc/29018/fd/12
[11:19] <ChiLLabiS> Nevermind what i wrote, i updated the amdgpu drivers
[11:19] <ChiLLabiS> Works fine again
[11:19] <enissay2> I want to pass a command 'exit' to a detached many screen sessions which I do like this: [screen -S myName_01 -p 0 -X stuff 'exit\r'], however, not all screens are closed. when I open the screen manually [screen -S myName_01] I see that it takes 6-10 seconds to load which can explain why the command is not taken into account... Question now, how t make this work so that the exit command is executed correctly
[11:19] <enissay2> ?
[11:22] <fub> ppf: no such file
[11:23] <fub> ppf: l-wx------ 1 root root 64 Jul  2 13:23 /proc/675/fd/12 -> 'pipe:[263601]'
[11:26] <ppf> fub: the pid in your paste was 29018
[11:26] <ppf> who's 675?
[11:27] <fub> ppf: the pid of whiptail
[11:28] <fub> wait a moment
[11:28] <fub> it changed, so its a new whiptail? 0o
[11:29] <fub> yeah, every time I press enter
[11:29] <fub> its a different pid
[11:29] <fub> I feel like running apt-get next time instead of apt ..
[11:29] <fub> looks like the whiptail is just not visible?
[11:29] <ppf> fub: yes, output goes to fd 12
[11:30] <ppf> but that's why i suggested that ;)
[11:31] <ppf> so, you can disable the UI
[11:31] <brainwash> enissay2: try -Q quit  instead of -X stuff ...
[11:31] <ppf> export DEBIAN_FRONTEND=readline
[11:31] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[11:33] <ppf> fub: also interesting, you can try and find the other end of the pipe
[11:33] <ppf> find /proc -type l | xargs ls -l | fgrep 'pipe:[263601]'
[11:34] <ppf> for the appropriate pipe of course
[11:36] <enissay2> brainwash: Doesn't work [No screen session found.], but when I use with PID (eventhough the goal is to use the session's name) I get [quit command cannot be queried.]
[11:45] <fub> ppf: so I killed the apt, then used dpkg --configure -a, and its hanging on the same whiptail call
[11:51] <testcase> hello all
[11:51] <testcase> how could i clear the message tray from command line ( bash script ), ubuntu 18.04 LTS default gnome
[11:51] <testcase> https://imagebin.ca/v/47HiaI8QBTLH
[11:51] <testcase> there is an "clear everything" button , that does the job, but i need the bash version of that command .. for scripting ..
[11:51] <data_> Hi. I'm looking for a tool to get a server up and running repeatably. E.g. I have a clean LTS ubuntu server, which I want to hav A, B and C packages installed, X and Y users created, SSH keys installed, etc etc etc. Are tools like Ansible/Chef/Puppet what I'm looking for? They look very complicated - I'm looking for something very simple. Is my current approach of a bash script the best solution? Thanks for any help.
[11:52] <ppf> fub: yes, something is eating the output
[11:53] <fub> ppf: ok, so suggestion to proceed now? should I kill the whiptail?
[11:55] <fub> ppf: I executed the dpkg --configure -a in bash now, and it looks like its going through now
[11:56] <fub> ah no, again stuck on a whiptail
[11:56] <fub> damn it
[11:59] <lapion> Hi, I have been having problems using raw disks in the form of usb sticks in kvm if I do not lock all drives with gparted first
[12:00] <ppf> fub: as i said above, a) try readline instead of dialog/whiptail, b) figure out _who_ is eating the output
[12:03] <newrg> hello,I am using Kubuntu 18.04 and tap to select is not working for my mousepad,is this standard behavior?
[12:04] <fub> ppf: how do I use readline instead of whiptail?
[12:05] <ppf> export DEBIAN_FRONTEND=readline
[12:06] <Sbur3> Another stupid request for help.  Looking to install sane-backends. The instructions tell me to extract the file into an existing sane installation. I don't understand that.  Then to do a "make clean" followed by a "make"
[12:07] <Sbur3> Can anyone walk me through what I need to do?
[12:07] <Sbur3> Unless there is a *.deb file to use
[12:09] <fub> ppf: its again using whiptail -.-
[12:12] <ppf> fub: could be because of sudo
[12:12] <ppf> sudo su -
[12:12] <ppf> and start over
[12:12] <ppf> also, did you figure out who's at the end of the pipe?
[12:13] <fub> I tried, but the find did not work as it should I think
[12:13] <fub> I get this:
[12:15] <fub> http://dpaste.com/23AGFDG
[12:19] <ppf> who's 8929
[12:25] <fub> ppf: thats whiptail
[12:25] <ppf> right, sorry, 8897
[12:26] <fub> ppf: http://dpaste.com/3GACQ81
[12:26] <fub> its the perl
[12:30] <ppf> that script is non-default
[12:30] <ppf> !info shim-signed
[12:30] <ppf> wtf is wrong with you ubottu
[12:31] <ppf> it's a Secure Boot chain-loading bootloader
[12:35] <ppf> have you tried readline?
[12:39] <PsychoBoB> Guys, How I can add a clock in desktop
[12:39] <PsychoBoB> ?
[12:41] <compdoc> a watched clock never boils
[12:42] <fub> ppf: this worked!
[12:43] <fub> ppf: so should I make this readline permanent now or should I just keep this in mind if it fails again?
[12:49] <ppf> just keep it in mind, would be also nice to find out what the actual issue is
[12:50] <ppf> because that's an upstream problem
[12:56] <shirafuno> Hi. I previously increased my swap space, however when I turned the pc off and on again the swap partition was reset. How do I permenantly change my swap space?
[13:01] <blackflow> shirafuno: how did you increase it?
[13:06] <rush> i am here
[13:08] <ppf> fub: i've looked a bit at the postinst scripts and i don't see how this can happen
[13:08] <ppf> fub: are you using a stock bionic?
[13:09] <fub> ppf: yes, stock
[13:09] <fub> I used 17.10 before and upgraded to 18.04 some weeks ago
[13:09] <ppf> sha1sum /usr/sbin/dkms
[13:09] <fub> this was the first time I had a "stuck" apt process
[13:09] <fub> d0ce69b2a588044d40e819da30384adc5504e6b8  /usr/sbin/dkms
[13:10] <ppf> sha1sum /usr/sbin/update-secureboot-policy
[13:11] <ppf> i don't see anything that's running perl here on my bionic
[13:12] <fub> 07013027b59e61795e573112aaebaba85d47e0b5  /usr/sbin/update-secureboot-policy
[13:13] <ppf> no, those are both correct
[13:18] <p3rs3us> hey guys, when I did mount -o loop disk.iso /mnt/disk as root, I have noticed that all files are lower case, but some scripts in the iso are broken because they are looking for files with a mix between lower and upper case characters. Is this a problem of the mount options I have provided ?
[13:20] <ppf> p3rs3us: no
[13:25] <Alpha> Whats up room?
[13:25] <compdoc> who wants to know?
[13:26] <blackflow> the attic?
[13:26] <Alpha> lol
[13:41] <PsychoBoB> guys
[13:41] <PsychoBoB> how i can add a clock in desktop
[13:44] <CoolerY> something very weird going on
[13:44] <CoolerY> when i run a command without sudo it works
[13:44] <CoolerY> but if i run it with sudo it says command not found
[13:45] <CoolerY> this is the command i am running    emcc hello.c -s WASM=1 -o hello.html
[13:45] <CoolerY> i am following this guide https://webassembly.org/getting-started/developers-guide/
[13:45] <lubuntuuser> hi, what is the name of the package that gives a TUI interface to install ubuntu:
[13:45] <lubuntuuser> ?
[13:45] <Cheez> so I was just upping my local 16.04 box from 4.4.0-128-generic to 4.4.0-130-generic (just a standard kernel upgrade using apt-get update) as I don't track the HWE kernel. The DKMS build of a module failed, but the kernel was installed. i then apt-get removed the 4.4.0-130 kernel and headers / extra etc and fixed what broke the build. But now of course apt-get upgrade doesn't offer the 4.4.0-130 kernel, how
[13:46] <Cheez> can I make it re-offer that upgrade? I presume i somehow need to change the package's status in dpkg to something other than rc
[13:46] <blackflow> CoolerY: and path to this.... emcc.... is in your ~/ home?
[13:46] <CoolerY> blackflow, in what?
[13:46] <blackflow> your home directory.
[13:47] <lubuntuuser> a command line also helps, so i can search by content
[13:47] <CoolerY> no
[13:47] <CoolerY> it should be in path
[13:47] <EriC^^> CoolerY: what does "which emcc" give?
[13:48] <blackflow> CoolerY: and also why are you building as root? you elevate with sudo only when you need to install or change system related files or something.
[13:48] <blackflow> compiling hello.c to an executable does not require root.
[13:50] <EriC^^> Cheez: you could run sudo apt-get install linux-image-4.4.0-130-generic
[13:50] <CoolerY> blackflow, well it gave some errors
[13:50] <CoolerY> so thats why i tried sudo
[13:51] <Cheez> EriC^^: won't that mark it manually installed so it wont be treated with the usual lifecycle of kernel updates?
[13:51] <Cheez> or are kernels a special case?
[13:51] <EriC^^> CoolerY: if it gives permission denied errors you fix the permissions
[13:52] <EriC^^> Cheez: it'll still offer new kernels and just leave 2 and offer the rest to "autoremove"
[13:52] <Cheez> okie doke, i'll do that then
[13:55] <CoolerY> EriC^^, that doesn't explain why the command is suddenly not found when i add sudo
[13:56] <EriC^^> CoolerY: what does "which emc" give?
[13:56] <EriC^^> CoolerY: what does "which emcc" give?
[13:58] <CoolerY> it gives the path
[13:58] <EriC^^> which is
[13:58] <CoolerY> the file exists in the path
[13:59] <blackflow> CoolerY: which path? user's or root's?
[13:59] <CoolerY> emsdk/emscripten/1.38.6/emcc
[13:59] <CoolerY> root
[13:59] <blackflow> can you pleaes just post the full path to it?
[14:00] <EriC^^> CoolerY: ok, so what is the exact sudo command you're running?
[14:00] <CoolerY> its starts with / , so i guess i can only invoke it as root?
[14:00] <CoolerY> sudo emcc hello.c -s WASM=1 -o hello.html
[14:01] <blackflow> CoolerY: no that has nothing to do with.... anything. Just please post the full path to the emcc binary.
[14:01] <EriC^^> CoolerY: sudo uses a different PATH than your own
[14:02] <blackflow> (it's actually the same $PATH) but sudo changes cwd.
[14:02] <EriC^^> blackflow: no i think it changes $PATH
[14:02] <EriC^^> ran a little experiment now
[14:03] <CoolerY> blackflow, why would the cwd matter
[14:03] <blackflow> CoolerY: because you're not invoking emcc with full path
[14:03] <blackflow> so it has to be in the cwd
[14:03] <blackflow> and please, last time, paste the full path to emcc
[14:03] <CoolerY> no, that would be ./emcc
[14:03] <CoolerY> i am doing sudo emcc
[14:04] <blackflow> sigh.....
[14:04] <CoolerY> so it should look in the PATH
[14:04] <EriC^^> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/ykPDZBVynt/
[14:04] <blackflow> CoolerY: and where is the binary?
[14:04] <EriC^^> blackflow: check above
[14:04] <CoolerY> the path to the binary is added in the path
[14:04] <CoolerY> the folder the binary is in
[14:04] <blackflow> EriC^^: why don't you just     echo $PATH   and then   sudo echo $PATH?      they're the same
[14:04] <blackflow> CoolerY: okay, I'm not going to ask you any more. you obvs don't need help. good luck with that.
[14:05] <EriC^^> blackflow: bash processes the variables before executing sudo
[14:05] <transhuman> anyone know if there is a better spelling and grammar checker for LibreOffice than the one that comes standard with it?
[14:05] <blackflow> EriC^^: then try login as root and echo it
[14:05] <EriC^^> you're not getting into what sudo is using, anyways try it and see
[14:06] <blackflow> EriC^^: right, no /usr/games nor /snap/bin for root's
[14:06] <CoolerY> the last time i checked it was ./appname to run if the appname file is in the pwd
[14:06] <TobiTobsen> Hello
[14:06] <CoolerY> just appname is supposed to look in the PATH
[14:07] <EriC^^> blackflow: what's root to do with sudo? i dont follow
[14:07] <EriC^^> blackflow: did you see the paste? it doesn't use the PATH variable..
[14:08] <EriC^^> the only way it uses it is if you run sudo -iu <user> yesbla
[14:08] <EriC^^> CoolerY: try "sudo -iu <your username> emcc"
[14:08] <EriC^^> granted that PATH is set in your .bashrc with emcc
[14:10] <blackflow> which -i causes to be sourced.   therefore, wihtout -i  the $PATH is the same.   as proven with    sudo -i  vs   sudo su    (no -i or -l)
[14:10] <EriC^^> blackflow: the same as what?
[14:10] <EriC^^> your logic is backwards
[14:11] <blackflow> and in this case, according to that article, emcc was from a git cloned dir somewhere in user's dir and I'm betting NOT in the correct path
[14:11] <blackflow> EriC^^: it doesn't change, that's what I mean.
[14:11] <CoolerY> EriC^^, still doesn't explain whats happening
[14:11] <blackflow> it would if you pasted full path to emcc
[14:11] <EriC^^> blackflow: it does change, the PATH from the shell isn't being used, another is being used with just "sudo"
[14:12] <blackflow> EriC^^: PATH is an env variable. when you sudo, which env is that?
[14:12] <CoolerY> why would it do that
[14:12] <CoolerY> does each user have their own PATH?
[14:12] <EriC^^> blackflow: well, for sure not the one from the current shell :)
[14:12] <blackflow> and CoolerY is just trolling now, with refusing to answer where emcc is.
[14:13] <transhuman> my guess there isnt any thanks anyways gus
[14:13] <transhuman> guys
[14:13] <EriC^^> CoolerY: read into what PATH sudo uses from the man page
[14:15] <EriC^^> CoolerY: blackflow hmm the manpage says it passes the actual PATH to the program, but it doesn't explain why my paste wasn't working
[14:15] <blackflow> well, I told you why
[14:15] <ausjke> googling up and low, how to disable guest account in ubuntu 1804 permanently?
[14:15] <blackflow> there's difference between sudo and sudo -i   the later invoking a login shell
[14:16] <ausjke> no more lightdm hacks, not sure how to do it in gdm
[14:16] <EriC^^> blackflow: forget the -i example, look here https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/ykPDZBVynt/
[14:16] <blackflow> so to cut this carnival short......  it's obivous that emcc is not in the correct path which would've been proven half an hour ago with a simple paste of `which emcc`
[14:17] <EriC^^> /home/e/bin is in PATH, yesbla works, sudo yesbla doesn't
[14:17] <EriC^^> heh
[14:18] <blackflow> EriC^^: create a file that has only  'echo $PATH' in it.   then try    sh thatfile    and    sudo sh thatfile   you'll see they're different
[14:18] <blackflow> that way you avoid shell pre-substituting
[14:19] <EriC^^> blackflow: you've heard of single quotes right?
[14:19] <blackflow> yeah
[14:20] <blackflow> obvs I used quotes here to differentiate what to put in the file from the rest of the sentence :)
[14:20] <EriC^^> no i mean why would i use that
[14:20] <EriC^^> i can just do sudo bash -c 'echo $PATH'
[14:21] <EriC^^> anyways, CoolerY it turns out to be some weird sudo feature in some distros here you go https://stackoverflow.com/questions/257616/sudo-changes-path-why
[14:21] <blackflow> EriC^^: try and you'll see they're different
[14:21] <EriC^^> blackflow: of course they are, as you said about sudo -i
[14:21] <EriC^^> it doesn't explain the stuff in my paste at all
[14:23] <blackflow> EriC^^: it does. sudo starts a new shell. your PATH=.... is local to that shell session
[14:24] <EriC^^> we've kind of established from CoolerY and my little test that sudo is indeed changing the PATH, the question is why :)
[14:24] <EriC^^> anyways TIL, hope it helps you CoolerY
[14:28] <blackflow> EriC^^: sudoers policy maybe
[14:31] <coconut> Anyone here who tried Linux pre-installed vendors? And can recommend one?
[14:45] <amosbird> Hi, how can I fix this disk error?
[14:45] <amosbird> https://la.wentropy.com/FkJz
[14:46] <hateball> amosbird: that looks like either faulty drive or controller
[14:47] <amosbird> yeah, is there a way to fix it ?
[14:48] <hateball> amosbird: not really, no. you can try plugging in a different drive to see if it is the controller or drive that is broken
[14:49] <MrKeuner> Hi what's this about? Search engines doesn't seem to return relevant matches. message repeated 5 times: [ peer 192.168.1.160:1900 is not from a LAN]
[14:49] <Bashing-om> amosbird: You can see what a file system check AND a SMART test reveal , but yeah good possibility the drive is toast .
[14:50] <amosbird> Bashing-om: um, what tools can I use for that ?
[14:53] <cybernout> the gnome message tray fills up , whats the bash command that one could use to "Clear All" , like the button in the ;icture here : https://i.stack.imgur.com/VlcPe.png
[14:55] <Bashing-om> amosbird:As a 1st stab at this;  From a liveUSB run the file system check/repair ' sudo parted -l ; sudo e2fsck -C0 -p -f -v /dev/sdXY ' . #if errors: -y auto answers yes for fixes needing response see: man e2fsck ' sudo e2fsck -f -y -v /dev/sdXY ' . where "XY" is to be replaced as the target from the parted output .
[14:57] <cristian_c> hi
[14:58] <cristian_c> I've set bios clock, but when I run ubuntu 18.04, bios clock is reset
[14:58] <cristian_c> instead, when I run windows, bios clock stays untouched
[14:58] <cristian_c> I don't know how ubuntu can change bios settings
[14:58] <cristian_c> any ideas?
[14:59] <blackflow> cristian_c: it's actually windows that's changing the clock, if we're talking about the same thing. linux keeps teh hw clocl at UTC, windows changes it to localtime
[15:00] <cristian_c> blackflow: it seems the opposite
[15:01] <cristian_c> if I set bios clock and boot windows, bios clock ismthe same, also after many reboots
[15:01] <cristian_c> as just as I boot to ubunu, bios clocks is reset
[15:02] <cybernout> christian_c found this article maybe it helps : https://www.howtogeek.com/323390/how-to-fix-windows-and-linux-showing-different-times-when-dual-booting/
[15:02] <cristian_c> (if I boot ubuntu and then I ebter bios)
[15:02] <blackflow> cristian_c: right because you're setting localtime and not UTC
[15:04] <cristian_c> blackflow: I'd like to prevent bios to be touched by OS
[15:04] <cristian_c> *bios time
[15:05] <ishitva> Hello ! I am trying to connect to wired internet on Ubuntu 18.04, using manual configuration; but I have not been able to connect. Can anyone please help me ?
[15:05] <cristian_c> (if I don't set bios clock, win 10 always shows the wrong clock, so I need to set bios)
[15:06] <blackflow> cristian_c: why? those clocks drift over time and unless you're syncing with network, you'll  just have wrong time on it
[15:06] <bitemyapp> I'm getting this error when I try to capture my screen with VLC on Ubuntu 18.04: [00007f8e400016f0] main decoder error: failed to create video output
[15:06] <bitemyapp> You can reproduce w/ `cvlc screen://` I think.
[15:06] <Bashing-om> cristian_c: Bios is not touched ,, the system simply reads what the hardware clock produces .
[15:06] <blackflow> cristian_c: I suppose disabling NTP from Ubuntu will somewhat achieve what you want.
[15:06] <bitemyapp> Has anyone seen this or might know what causes this or an alternative tool I could use to capture and play back my screen?
[15:07] <cristian_c> blackflow: I understand
[15:07] <cristian_c> Bashing-om: if I enter bios, I can read the clock setting, so I can see what bios shows
[15:08] <ishitva> Using a Wifi just works, but not wired :(
[15:08] <cybernout> cristian_c : https://www.howtogeek.com/323390/how-to-fix-windows-and-linux-showing-different-times-when-dual-booting/
[15:08] <cristian_c> Bashing-om:, I say bios clock is changed because I read time directly inside bios, I don't talk about linux or windows time
[15:09] <Bashing-om> cristian_c: The rub is that linux expects the HW as UTC ,, Windows as local time . http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/xenial/man1/timedatectl.1.html .
[15:09] <ishitva> Can't use a wifi right now because my router stopped working so I need to connect directly to my laptop. Any help will be greatly appreciated !
[15:09] <cristian_c> cybernout: ok, I read
[15:10] <blackflow> cristian_c: another idea, see if setting "RTC in local TZ" to yes, with    sudo timedatectl set-local-rtc true      fixes it. That forces systemd's timesyncd to assume the hardware clock is in local time, so it can keep updating it from network.
[15:10] <cristian_c> Bashing-om: ok, but linux booting changes _phisically_ bios time, that I mean
[15:11] <blackflow> cristian_c: so does windows, by default
[15:12] <ishitva> Sorry for spamming here, but there isn't much help regarding connection troubleshooting available for 18.04
[15:12] <cristian_c> I've just check out win 10 keeps bios time, and booting windows and the bios, and the windows and then bios, so on ..., doesn't cha ge anything
[15:12] <cristian_c> but I'll look at all your suggestions
[15:15] <Bashing-om> cristian_c: ' systemctl status systemd-timesyncd.service ' . Will tell a lot .
[15:15] <cristian_c> I'll try
[15:17] <Bashing-om> cristian_c: I also see this : https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2368923 <- set Windows to UTC .
[15:18] <cristian_c> I look at everything
[15:19] <cybernout> could someone tell me what the code / program / config is that creates ubuntu 18.04 system tray messages : https://i.stack.imgur.com/VlcPe.png
[15:35] <DirtyCajun> my nfsd is running 16 threads on a 16 thread system and i am sitting at a 18 load often. Should i increase the threads or decrease the threads to remedy?
[15:50] <Randolf> Has anyone got JavaFX working with OpenJDK 9 or 10 in Ubuntu?  It only seems to be available for OpenJDK 8.
[15:52] <L00P3X> Hello o/ I got to install a .deb file who requires "libmagickwand-6.q16-2" refusing to install whit v.3 (libmagickwand-6.q16-3). why do this happens?
[15:52] <Randolf> DirtyCajun:  Are you experiencing a particular problem?  Or just that the number of threads seems high?
[15:53] <DirtyCajun> @Randolf, yeah once a few systems are transferring to the server the load goves over 100% and performance drops
[15:55] <Randolf> What's consuming the CPU power?  Is it nfsd or some other module(s)?
[15:55] <Randolf> CPU utilization, that is.
[15:55] <Gringonar> I've been trying to install ubuntu and many other distro' most of them give a kernel panic except archlinux is there anyway i can determine why only Archlinux boots albeit in console mode only. Maybe it graphics realate but i'm very new to linux so i haven't been able to figure anything out. It has a Intel Coffee lake i& 8750H mobile chip HM370 wit
[15:55] <Gringonar> h iGPU Intel UHD 630 graphics that seems very simular to Kaby like 630 HD hover they dont seem compatible it also had a Dgpu NVidia 1070
[15:56] <Randolf> Gringonar:  Which version of Ubuntu Linux are you attempting to install?
[15:56] <Gringonar> oh god soo many typo's my aplogies :(
[15:56] <Randolf> Oh, don't worry about it.
[15:57] <Gringonar> i hope it's understable because i'm at a loss
[15:57] <DirtyCajun> Randolf, cpu utilization is low. IO_wait is <17%. Its just loadavg
[15:58] <DirtyCajun> and its all nfsd when i use iotop. (sans mdadm obviously)
[15:58]  * Randolf waits for Gringonar to answer his question...
[15:58] <Randolf> DirtyCajun:  Which process is getting all the CPU utilization though?  The "top" command can show you that.
[15:58] <Gringonar> I don't the question you posted?
[15:59] <Randolf> Gringonar:  Which version of Ubuntu Linux are you attempting to install?
[15:59] <Gringonar> I don't see* the question you posted?
[15:59] <DirtyCajun> Randolf, its all nfsd
[15:59]  * Gringonar confused
[15:59] <Randolf> DirtyCajun:  Well, if it was an I/O bottleneck, then there shouldn't be much CPU utilization because everything would be waiting for the disk I/O to complete.
[16:00] <Gringonar> The only text i see is mine
[16:00] <Randolf> DirtyCajun:  When you make one connection to your nfsd daemon (don't allow any others) and transfer some files, do you see the same behaviour?
[16:00] <cristian_c> blackflow, Bashing-om , I've tried timedatectl method (setting ubuntu to rtc localtime) and after a couple of reboots, clock seems keeping properly in bios and OSes
[16:00] <Gringonar> oh i see text now
[16:00] <DirtyCajun> @Randolf, no. Its only a problem with multiple connections
[16:01] <DirtyCajun> (tested that first haha)
[16:01] <Randolf> Okay.
[16:01] <Randolf> Good.
[16:01] <Gringonar> i misconfigued my irc client >.<
[16:01] <Gringonar> I'm sorry
[16:01] <Bashing-om> cristian_c: Thanks for the feed back :)
[16:01] <Gringonar> Coould you ask me your question again?
[16:01] <Randolf> When you're the only connection, how many threads does nfsd seem to use?
[16:01] <Randolf> Gringonar:  Which version of Ubuntu Linux are you attempting to install?
[16:01] <DirtyCajun> The same amount it uses on boot. 16
[16:02] <Gringonar> 18.4 LTS with Kernel 4.15 i believe?
[16:02] <Gringonar> It had some fix for the coffeelake iGPU?
[16:02] <DirtyCajun> pulled from (cat /proc/net/rpc/nfsd)
[16:02] <mekhami> i have three monitors, one of which is 4k. sometimes, when i start up my machine, the 4k monitor doesn't turn on. i have to `systemctl restart lightdm.service` in order to get it to pick up. any idea what's going on here
[16:02] <Randolf> Gringonar:  I've had some hardware that won't work with 18.04, but does work with 16.04 just fine.  What happens if you try 16.04 LTS?
[16:02] <Randolf> DirtyCajun:  Have you tried increasing the number of threads to, say, 64?
[16:02] <Gringonar> Did not try older since its very new hardware
[16:03] <Gringonar> ill give a try
[16:03] <Randolf> Gringonar:  Well, give 16.04 LTS a try and see if you get better results.
[16:03] <Randolf> Cool.  :)
[16:03] <Gringonar> will do
[16:03] <DirtyCajun> @Randolf, i have not. In my head if 16 threads on a 16 thread server is locking up, more would make it worse. But it doesnt hurt to try lol
[16:03] <Randolf> Make sure you get the 64-bit version.
[16:03] <Gringonar> Thank you for your suggestion :)
[16:03] <Gringonar> alright
[16:04] <Randolf> Gringonar:  You're welcome.  Feel free to report back to here how it works out for you.  I probably won't be here, but at least you can then report that you've tried two versions of Ubuntu Linux if problems persist.
[16:04] <Randolf> DirtyCajun:  What do you mean by "16 thread server?"
[16:04]  * Randolf has thousands of threads running on his servers.
[16:05] <DirtyCajun> Randolf, i mean 8 core 16 hyperthreaded.
[16:05] <Randolf> Oh.
[16:05] <DirtyCajun> was being generic
[16:05] <Randolf> Yeah, you're not limited to 16 threads.
[16:06] <Randolf> What that means is that with the Hyper-Threading feature, you get what appear to software to be 16 CPUs.
[16:06] <DirtyCajun> right.
[16:06] <Randolf> You can still run with thousands of threads on that hardware.
[16:06] <pavlos> Randolf: regarding nfsd, I see 4-8 processes running
[16:07] <Randolf> pavlos:  ?
[16:07] <pavlos> Randolf: maybe you were not asking for nfsd processes ... sorry
[16:11] <L00P3X> sorry, how do I get the output of a comand in englisch please?
[16:12] <leftyfb> L00P3X: you're going to need to be more specific than that
[16:12] <pavlos> L00P3X: if you type df, do you see output on your terminal?
[16:13] <tomreyn> export LANG=C
[16:14] <ioria> L00P3X, that ^ was for you
[16:16] <L00P3X> thanks, i'm facing some issues installing sk1libs https://pastebin.com/8QxPmDDp .. do you undersand why and how to resolve?
[16:18] <HaMsTeRs> hey guys
[16:18] <HaMsTeRs> I'm running ubuntu under vmwrae workstation on my surface pro 2017
[16:19] <HaMsTeRs> not sure why, it's laggy and running super slow
[16:19] <HaMsTeRs> is there any way to tune up the performance?
[16:19] <HaMsTeRs> I've already gave it 4GB RAM and 2 cpu 1 per core
[16:19] <tomreyn> you probably dont have 3d support
[16:19] <HaMsTeRs> alrady enabled 3d acceleration + vtx
[16:20] <tomreyn> does it improve if you disable 3d?
[16:20] <mekhami> i have three monitors, one of which is 4k. sometimes, when i start up my machine, the 4k monitor doesn't turn on. i have to `systemctl restart lightdm.service` in order to get it to pick up. any idea what's going on here
[16:21] <HaMsTeRs> you mean 3d acceleration?
[16:21] <ioria> L00P3X, that is not supported here, but try to install liblcms2-2  and liblcms2-dev
[16:21] <tomreyn> yes HaMsTeRs, i assume gnome shell will then falls back to a less graphically demanding mode
[16:22] <HaMsTeRs> hm, never try that though.  but that seem might cause some problem when running wine
[16:22] <pavlos> L00P3X: you may have to include /opt/local/lib .... find where lcms.h is and modify the Makefile
[16:23] <HaMsTeRs> Ok.  I'll give it a try
[16:23] <HaMsTeRs> another question is that the resolution
[16:24] <pavlos> L00P3X: if you have a setup.py, look for include_dirs=['/opt/local/include']
[16:24] <HaMsTeRs> I need to use the Stretch mode and fixed my resolution to one monitor.  is that how everyone runs it?
[16:25] <tomreyn> HaMsTeRs: with a higher resolution, more needs to be drawn, that's generally so. not everyone runs ubuntu in some vmware virtualization.
[16:26] <HaMsTeRs> ok.  then I'll stick with that
[16:27] <HaMsTeRs> Final question: I'm replacing my desktop running Windows with Ubuntu.  I can get MS office to work in Wine.  I also do alot of remote desktop
[16:28] <HaMsTeRs> so is Remminia the best choice?
[16:28] <Randolf> pavlos:  No worries.  :)
[16:28] <HaMsTeRs> does it include compression during rdp?
[16:32] <nacc> running office in wine seems like a not-great idea :)
[16:35] <L00P3X> ioria, pavlos, i'm tryng to get such skillfull as you ;).. thanks.. installed the libs and modified the setup.py.. can't locate the lcms.h file and don't know what it is about.. would try to modify it and stop here
[16:39] <pavlos> L00P3X: lcms.h is a header file, it might be in /opt/local/include ... sudo updatedb; locate lcms.h
[16:46] <ElDiabolo> Hi. I have installed a service using snap and then found it runs as root. Is this expected behavior?
[16:47] <nacc> ElDiabolo: which service?
[16:47] <ElDiabolo> I understand snap uses apparmor for security, so this _might_ be OK.
[16:48] <ElDiabolo> nacc, wekan.
[16:48] <ElDiabolo> This is rather a snap question, is this OK here?
[16:48] <nacc> ElDiabolo: #snappy may be more approriate
[16:48] <nacc> ElDiabolo: or whomever made the app
[16:48] <L00P3X> pavlos. i don't know. my /opt folder is empty and ther's no lcms.h file to locate anyway
[16:48] <ElDiabolo> nacc, Ah, thx.
[16:49] <nacc> ElDiabolo: yw
[16:49] <ioria> L00P3X, https://packages.ubuntu.com/xenial/amd64/liblcms2-dev/filelist
[16:50] <ioria> L00P3X,  note -2-
[16:52] <L00P3X> ioria, I maybe should point at /usr/include/lcms2.h in the setup.py ?
[16:53] <ioria> L00P3X,  let's try
[16:55] <L00P3X> ioria, nope. i'm facing this issue since a while now. i'ts about geting the python-uniconvertor library working for export in inkscape
[16:56] <ioria> !info python-uniconvertor  xenial
[16:57] <ioria> L00P3X, you mean that ^  ?
[16:58] <nacc> L00P3X: what is the actual issue? I've not seen it yet?
[16:58] <nacc> L00P3X: as in, do you get an error message, etc.
[16:59] <DirtyCajun> So after upping the threads to 64, it looks like the load has gone down to 10ish out of 16
[16:59] <DirtyCajun> i do see that context switches are really high (ctx_sw). LIke 100K of them
[16:59] <L00P3X> nacc, if you wish you can try to export some vectors as .plt or other extentions.. a reminder point me to the sk1libs by doing so
[17:00] <pavlos> nacc: he's missing lcms.h and cannot compile  https://pastebin.com/8QxPmDDp
[17:01] <nacc> L00P3X: this is a 32-bit system?
[17:01] <nacc> L00P3X: what version of ubuntu?
[17:02] <ioria> probably it requires liblcms1 not available anymore
[17:02] <nacc> also python2 only?
[17:02] <nacc> i would run it in a container on 16.04
[17:02] <ramsub07> Hi, I am having a zip file with password(and i have the password). The file is 41.6gb. When i use unzip or even the GUI unzipping tool, only 800mb is extracted
[17:03] <oerheks> reboot
[17:04] <ramsub07> reboot system?
[17:04] <ioria> L00P3X, don't tell us you are using this source : https://sk1project.net/modules.php?name=Products&product=uniconvertor&op=download
[17:05] <pavlos> ramsub07: do you have enough tmp storage to unzip the file?
[17:05] <ramsub07> yeah, the directory upon right click shows 2.7tb free
[17:06] <nacc> ramsub07: pavlos was asking about tmp storage, iirc, unzip uses tmp at runtime?
[17:07] <ramsub07> nacc: oh, i am not aware. how to see that?
[17:07] <nacc> ramsub07: before we do that, does the commandline run error? (`echo $?` after it exits)
[17:08] <L00P3X> ioria, now I moved to the python uniconvertor master on github having other issues like missing ft2build.h.. I thank you allot, have got to go sorry.. thank you all..
[17:08] <ramsub07> nacc: nope no error
[17:09] <nacc> ioria: feels like quite the moving goalposts and probably PEBKAC :)
[17:09] <nacc> ramsub07: hrm, so it returned 0?
[17:09] <ioria> nacc, yup
[17:09] <nacc> ramsub07: and you have a lot of memory on the system?
[17:10] <ramsub07> nacc: it returned 127
[17:10] <nacc> ramsub07: you ran `unzip ...; echo $?` ?
[17:10] <ramsub07> no just echo $?
[17:10] <ramsub07> i'll do that now
[17:10] <nacc> ramsub07: it needs to be immediately after the unzip command
[17:11] <pavlos> ramsub07: what version of unzip if less than 6.0 there is an upper limit of 4GB. You could try 7-zip
[17:11] <ramsub07> it returned 3
[17:12] <ramsub07> nacc: running it like you said returned 3
[17:12] <nacc> "              3      a severe error in the zipfile format was detected.   Pro‐
[17:12] <nacc>                      cessing probably failed immediately.
[17:12] <nacc> ramsub07: from `man unzip`
[17:12] <ramsub07> nacc: oh
[17:13] <ramsub07> i don't know any such errors, or why it is happening
[17:13] <ramsub07> you think the zip file itself is corrupted ?
[17:13] <nacc> ramsub07: that's the implication
[17:14] <ramsub07> nacc: so i should do the download again/
[17:14] <JACK_H0P3> hi
[17:14] <nacc> ramsub07: i guess? I don't know, you should get a md5sum from the source of the zip and verify it isn't corrupt
[17:14] <nacc> ramsub07: i am afraid to ask why you need to download a 40G+ zip file?
[17:14] <ramsub07> nacc: it is a dataset that i downloaded from online
[17:15] <CheetahPixie> So.
[17:15] <CheetahPixie> I'm having some problems.
[17:15] <ramsub07> has 10,000 frames summing upto 41.7GB
[17:15] <CheetahPixie> I have here a Sidewinder Force Feedback joystick, Gameport model.
[17:15] <CheetahPixie> No matter what I do, I just can't get force feedback to work.
[17:15] <nacc> ramsub07: ah i see :)
[17:15] <ramsub07> nacc: anyway thank you for your help, :)
[17:20] <tomreyn> ramsub07: both zip and 7zip (which i would also give a try) also have the ability to repair structural damage on zip files (but it most likely means loosing some data *if* it succeeds).
[17:21] <tomreyn> oh i'm late to the party
[17:21] <CheetahPixie> Anyone have any ideas?
[17:21] <CheetahPixie> This is a Gameport device.
[17:22] <nacc> tomreyn: :)
[17:42] <royal_screwup21> I downloaded an IDE that required me to unzip several files in a directory of my choosing. My question is: what's the best place to store these files?
[17:42] <royal_screwup21> this is where I'm downloading it https://www.jetbrains.com/clion/download/#section=linux
[17:44] <blackflow> royal_screwup21: before the snap became available, I used to stick Jetbrain's PyCharm into /opt
[17:50] <callMe_Dude> Need help installing Java Sdk on ubuntu.
[17:50] <oerheks> callMe_Dude, what ubuntu version?
[17:52] <callMe_Dude> oerheks: ubuntu 18.04 LTS Bionic Beaver
[17:52] <oerheks> !find openjdk
[17:52] <oerheks> there is 8 and 11
[17:53] <callMe_Dude> i want to install oracle Jdk 8
[17:53] <oerheks> oracle blob, oke, you need a ppa for that, iirc, see the java wiki
[17:53] <oerheks> !java
[17:53] <oerheks> not sure 8 is available, you find out
[18:04] <CheetahPixie> I am getting a not implemented thing in fftest.
[18:20] <geeek> is there a linux distro with bootable uefi disk that includes hdd scan??
[18:26] <leftyfb> geeek: try ##linux
[18:30] <callMe_Dude> Hi, Does it make any difference if I install Oracle Java SDK 8 by adding third party ppa OR if I install in manually by downloading tar file from Oracle website
[18:33] <leftyfb> callMe_Dude: yes, it does make a difference. Once is installed via a package, the other is manually compiled and installed to a different location and isn't as easy to remove.
[18:43] <fengshaun> is there any way to properly mount an android device (mtp) post-6.0 changes (where it won't default to mtp on connect)
[18:43] <maarhart> I'm trying to listen using two bluetooth headphones. how can I do this?
[18:43] <leftyfb> callMe_Dude: please do not pm me
[18:44] <fengshaun> (j)mtpfs and mtp-tools (anything that uses libmtp, which is everything right now) are hasty in trying to disconnect and reconnect the device to claim it, but on reconnection, the phone goes into charging mode and mount fails
[18:44] <callMe_Dude> leftyfb:sorry
[18:46] <TheSilentLink> Anyone know when firefox 61 reaches the repos?
[18:47] <leftyfb> TheSilentLink: no. Is there a specific feature of that version you're looking forward to?
[18:49] <TheSilentLink> well not one feature particularly but the performance upgrades and better dark themes are nice upgrades.
[18:50] <TheSilentLink> I thought it didn't take as long usually but I guess it is a quite large upgrade
[18:50] <Sir_Andrei> tomreyn: Your solution worked, I've formated booting on UEFI mode and now Lubuntu works.
[18:53] <oerheks> callMe_Dude, maybe that ppa gives updates in the future, manually installed you need to check for it yourself
[18:53] <oerheks> no guarantee that this ppa will, but basicly they do
[18:54] <croben_> sometimes the label of my desktop icons, text in terminal and menu texts disappear
[18:54] <croben_> what can i do about this?
[18:55] <croben_> it comes back if i turn the computer off and on again
[19:13] <gnunix_> i need ubuntu support
[19:13] <leftyfb> !ask | gnunix_
[19:13] <oerheks> :-)
[19:13] <gnunix_> how do i exit vim
[19:13] <gnunix_> i started it and now i don't know how to exit
[19:13] <gnunix_> also what is a linux
[19:14] <oerheks> croben_, you might want to add what ubuntu version/desktop and videocard?
[19:14] <leftyfb> gnunix_: trolling is offopic here. Try #ubuntu-offtopic or #ubuntu-ops
[19:14] <oerheks> alt f4. gnunix_
[19:14] <gnunix_> no
[19:14] <gnunix_> i want to know the linux
[19:14] <gnunix_> what is the linux
[19:14] <gnunix_> do i use it
[19:14] <gnunix_> what is that
[19:15] <grobi> :q
[19:15] <Sir_Andrei> Sorry, I've lost connection.
[19:16] <Sir_Andrei> I'd reinstalled xorg and xinit. Apparently autoremove did such a mess with that part of the system.
[19:20] <nacc> Sir_Andrei: to be clear, you probably did something to make 'such a mess'. Such as removing a package like 'ubuntu-desktop' or another metapackage which is there to prevent autoremove and similar from removing core parts of the system.
[19:21] <Sir_Andrei> I'm using i3 on Lubuntu 18.04.
[19:22] <nacc> Sir_Andrei: so not an ubuntu package?
[19:22] <nacc> Sir_Andrei: did you remove something like 'ubuntu-desktop' or other package because you didn't want gnome?
[19:23] <Sir_Andrei> Well, Lubuntu uses Ubuntu repositories.
[19:23] <Sir_Andrei> No.
[19:23] <Sir_Andrei> Lubuntu comes with LXDE.
[19:23] <croben_> oerheks: ubuntu 16.04 and Intel(R) HD Graphics
[19:23] <Sir_Andrei> I just installed i3, and I don't removed LXDE.
[19:23] <nacc> Sir_Andrei: it's hard to debug what happened, but autoremove won't remove xorg unless you've removed a metapackage
[19:23] <nacc> Sir_Andrei: dunno what i3 ends up doing, sorry.
[19:23] <oerheks> !info i3wm
[19:23] <Sir_Andrei> I've installed Tensorflow and CUDA 9.0.
[19:23] <Sir_Andrei> !info i3
[19:23] <nacc> oerheks: it's a 3rd party something or other
[19:24] <nacc> Sir_Andrei: oh you're using the ubuntu package?
[19:24] <Sir_Andrei> But the problem isn't i3.
[19:24] <Sir_Andrei> Yea.
[19:24] <nacc> Sir_Andrei: you should look in the /var/log/apt/history.log to see what autoremove removed
[19:24] <Sir_Andrei> The problem is that lightdm-gtk-greeter (lightdm service) won't start.
[19:24] <nacc> Sir_Andrei: did you look in the lightdm log?
[19:24] <Sir_Andrei> Oh, nice, I didn't know that log existed. @nacc
[19:26] <Sir_Andrei> Well, I'm on the log.
[19:26] <Sir_Andrei> apt log*
[19:27] <Sir_Andrei> It removed some unused nvidia packages (as I wanted) and stuffs like "libxcb-present-dev:amd64"
[19:28] <nacc> Sir_Andrei: i meant to figure out what removed xorg if you didn't have xorg installed
[19:31] <Sir_Andrei> Freeglut3
[19:31] <Sir_Andrei> It removed that.
[19:31] <Sir_Andrei> Well, idk what it is freeglut... I'm reading on internet about it.
[19:32] <ioria> it's a graphic lib
[19:32] <Sir_Andrei> F*ck, that sounds bad.
[19:32] <ioria> nope, it's not essential
[19:34] <Sir_Andrei> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/9N5jYq4dWb/
[19:36] <Sir_Andrei> Well, I'd reinstalled freeglut3 and it reinstalled a lot of packages.
[19:37] <Sir_Andrei> My lightdm log: http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/q6BcYFVCQW
[19:37] <gambl0re>  hello?
[19:38] <gambl0re> my computer isnt detecting my microsd card but when i try on another computer it works
[19:38] <ioria> Sir_Andrei, that is a development lib
[19:40] <pavlos> gambl0re: look at the output of dmesg, it will tell why it's not seeing the mSD
[19:41] <Sir_Andrei> ioria, which one?
[19:41] <ioria> freeglut
[19:41] <gambl0re> pavlos, what am i looking for
[19:41] <Sir_Andrei> And how it's related with lightdm?
[19:41] <leftyfb> gambl0re: what version of ubuntu are you running?
[19:41] <ioria> Sir_Andrei, we need the log -before- the autoremove cmd
[19:41] <Sir_Andrei> Ok, one moment.
[19:42] <leftyfb> gambl0r3: what version of ubuntu are you running?
[19:42] <gambl0r3> leftyfb, ubuntu 17
[19:42] <ioria> Sir_Andrei, but what is the real issue  ?
[19:42] <leftyfb> gambl0r3: There is no Ubuntu 17. Which version of ubuntu are you running?
[19:43] <Sir_Andrei> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/k9hw3dW4TB/
[19:43] <gambl0r3> leftyfb, 16
[19:43] <Sir_Andrei> The real issue is Lightdm won't start.
[19:43] <leftyfb> gambl0r3: there's no version 16.
[19:43] <leftyfb> gambl0r3: cat /etc/issue
[19:43] <Sir_Andrei> lightdm-gtk-greeter is the greeter I'm using.
[19:43] <ioria> Sir_Andrei, no relation with lightdm
[19:43] <gambl0r3> leftyfb, what do you mean theres no 16? im using 16
[19:43] <Ben64> a second ago you were using "17"
[19:43] <leftyfb> gambl0r3: there is no version 16. Type cat /etc/issue
[19:44] <pavlos> gambl0r3: there is 16.04 and 16.10
[19:44] <ioria> Sir_Andrei, and it'installed ?  dpkg -l | grep lightdm
[19:44] <oerheks> mint 16 *kuch*
[19:44] <gambl0r3> leftyfb, sorry. Ubuntu 14.04.5 LTS \n \l
[19:44] <Sir_Andrei> Yeah
[19:44] <Sir_Andrei> I have lightdm, lightdm-gtk-greeter and lightdm-gtk-greeter-settings
[19:45] <leftyfb> gambl0r3: lsb_release -a
[19:45] <leftyfb> gambl0r3: please use pastebin for the whole thing
[19:46] <oerheks> filesystem information would be helpfull
[19:47] <ioria> Sir_Andrei, try to sudo apt install --reinstall lubuntu-desktop
[19:47] <Sir_Andrei> Reinstalled C:
[19:47] <leftyfb> :/
[19:47] <ioria> Sir_Andrei, unless you disable lightdm with systemctl
[19:47] <Sir_Andrei> It just reinstalled one package (lubuntu-desktop).
[19:48] <ioria> Sir_Andrei, switch to console, and sudo service lightdm restart
[19:48] <gambl0r3> leftyfb, http://jsbin.com/surutogaho/edit?js,output
[19:48] <leftyfb> what in the
[19:49] <Sir_Andrei> Done.
[19:49] <ioria> Sir_Andrei, and ?
[19:49] <Sir_Andrei> I've restarted it..., and in my screen it only appears a "_"
[19:49] <leftyfb> gambl0r3: I would highly suggest using a normal pastebin going forward. Like pastebin.ubuntu.com or pastebin.com.
[19:49] <Sir_Andrei> blinking "_"
[19:49] <leftyfb> gambl0r3: in a terminal, type: dmesg -w    # then watch it as you plug in your sd card
[19:50] <ioria> Sir_Andrei, sudo systemctl status lightdm
[19:50] <gambl0r3> leftyfb, ok
[19:50] <gambl0r3> my sd card is already inserted
[19:50] <Sir_Andrei> ioria, "Failed to start Light Display Manager"
[19:51] <gambl0r3> leftyfb, my sd card is already inserted
[19:51] <leftyfb> gambl0r3: ok, is it working?
[19:51] <gambl0r3> no
[19:51] <ioria> Sir_Andrei, sudo apt install --reinstall lightdm && sudo systemctl start lightdm
[19:51] <leftyfb> gambl0r3: ok, dmesg is going to tell us when/if/how i detects the sd card as you instert it
[19:52] <gambl0r3> im getting invalid option
[19:52] <gambl0r3> the -w
[19:52] <Sir_Andrei> Done, and systemctl status lightdm said the same.
[19:53] <pavlos> gambl0r3: dmesg --version
[19:53] <ioria> Sir_Andrei, so probably it's about graphic driver ... paste sudo lshw -C Video
[19:53] <gambl0r3> dmesg from util-linux 2.20.1
[19:54] <Sir_Andrei> ioria: http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/jZQsj6ZJgC
[19:54] <Sir_Andrei> That's the output.
[19:54] <leftyfb> gambl0r3: pastebin: apt-cache policy util-linux
[19:55] <gambl0r3> leftyfb, https://gist.github.com/rickywid/92db6d7610b4161b0d174b1477dad535
[19:56] <ioria> Sir_Andrei, how did you install nvidia ?  from official repos  ?
[19:56] <oerheks> so when you run dmesg, you get "dmesg: klogctl failed: Operation not permitted"  ?
[19:56] <Sir_Andrei> ioria, yea
[19:56] <Sir_Andrei> Well, I'd not used a repository, I downloaded it manually from Nvidia webpage.
[19:57] <leftyfb> gambl0r3: while true; do dmesg -T |tail -n20 ; sleep 1;clear;done
[19:57] <leftyfb> gambl0r3: then take the sd card out and put it back in
[19:57] <ioria> Sir_Andrei, dpkg -l | grep nvidia
[19:57] <gambl0r3> ok
[19:57] <Sir_Andrei> ioria, it returns nothing
[19:57] <gambl0r3> leftyfb, zsh: parse error near `done'
[19:57] <leftyfb> gambl0r3: I'm still VERY curious as to why you said you were running ubuntu version "17" then insisted "16" when in fact you're running 14.04
[19:58] <ioria> Sir_Andrei, really ?
[19:58] <leftyfb> gambl0r3: sorry, I don't know zsh
[19:58] <Sir_Andrei> Yea, really
[19:58] <ioria> Sir_Andrei, it's loaded
[19:58] <gambl0r3> i thought i waas using 17. my mistake
[19:58] <ioria> Sir_Andrei, configuration: driver=nvidia latency=0
[19:59] <gambl0r3> leftyfb, still no detection
[19:59] <leftyfb> gambl0r3: again, there's no version 17. There's 17.04 which is unsupported and 17.10 which will be unsupported this month. There in no version "16" or 17"
[20:00] <aknb> Is there some known problem with `RUNPATH` in Ubuntu 18.04?  I compiled an app and shared objects are not found unless I use `RPATH` instead of `RUNPATH`
[20:00] <Sir_Andrei> Ioria, yep
[20:00] <Sir_Andrei> I think it's a problem with x.
[20:00] <gambl0r3> leftyfb, ok i said i made a mistake
[20:02] <gambl0r3> leftyfb, so ypure not gonna help me anymore? fine. thanks
[20:02] <pavlos> gambl0r3: insert card, then "dmesg | grep /dev" info should be at the bottom
[20:03] <gambl0r3> pavlos, check pm
[20:03] <leftyfb> gambl0r3: please don't pm people. Keep all support here
[20:04] <tomreyn> Sir_Andrei: glad you worked it out.
[20:04] <leftyfb> gambl0r3: I never said I won't help you. I just might not be able to since I'm going back and forth with work
[20:04] <gambl0r3> leftyfb, youre not even helping me anymore. somehow i offended you
[20:04] <josh> hello
[20:05] <leftyfb> gambl0r3: it's been 4 minutes since I last responded. Take a pill
[20:05] <tony_85> hello
[20:05] <oerheks> we are all waiting on a dmesg output, to determin *what* filesystem end/or the need of a fsck, that could prevent mounting.
[20:06] <oerheks> and other pc sd card mounts fine, is that windows
[20:06] <gambl0r3> leftyfb, as you wish
[20:11] <minimint93> Hi all.   Anyone knows the right commands to check, upgrade and uinstall JAVA for ubuntu on terminal?
[20:11] <minimint93> Thank you in advance.
[20:11] <leftyfb> minimint93: what version of ubuntu are you running?
[20:12] <minimint93> The one wt the sqirrel or otter
[20:13] <leftyfb> minimint93: please pastebin the output of: lsb_release -a
[20:13] <minimint93> leftyfb? I do not understand that request. too advanced sir.
[20:13] <leftyfb> minimint93: which part?
[20:13] <minimint93> I just need to install java via 1 command.
[20:14] <minimint93> all of it
[20:14] <minimint93> what is lsb?
[20:14] <minimint93> Ubuntu 18 desktop
[20:15] <leftyfb> minimint93: so you want to know how to install java using only a terminal, but you don't understand out how copy and paste and run a command given to you in a terminal and paste the output to a any of the dozens of websites who fall under the category of "pastebin"?
[20:15] <leftyfb> minimint93: please type into a terminal: lsb_release -a
[20:16] <leftyfb> minimint93: then copy the output and paste it on the webpage http://pastebin.ubuntu.com
[20:16] <jwash> i'm running 18.04, after a couple of hours of on time my computer won't play videos anymore. I have been on the youtube, liveleak loading screen forever, even after I refresh pages.
[20:16] <jwash> any idea how to diagnose?
[20:16] <leftyfb> minimint93: then copy that link in your address bar and paste the link here
[20:17] <minimint93> can't am not on the ubuntu right now.
[20:17] <minimint93> Have not installed hexchat yet
[20:17] <leftyfb> minimint93: ok, then troubleshooting is going to be very difficult
[20:17] <oerheks> there is openjdk 8 and 11
[20:17] <leftyfb> minimint93: why do you need to install java using a terminal?
[20:17] <minimint93> I remember installing java wt just 1 cli commad line.
[20:17] <oerheks> !find openjdk
[20:17] <minimint93> 11 worked on 1 ubuntu very well.
[20:18] <minimint93> Is this is?  !find openjdk
[20:18] <oerheks> maybe you want the wiki
[20:18] <oerheks> !java
[20:18] <oerheks> works on mint too
[20:18] <leftyfb> minimint93: https://www.howtogeek.com/63997/how-to-install-programs-in-ubuntu-in-the-command-line/
[20:19] <leftyfb> minimint93: that's how you install software packages on the command line ^
[20:19] <oerheks> snap install <package>
[20:19] <leftyfb> oerheks: that's not helping
[20:19] <minimint93> Do jar work out of the box in Ubuntu? Say even if a JAR file is marked as run as program?
[20:19] <minimint93> Copying all of this. Thank you guys.
[20:19] <oerheks> java -jar Minecraft.jar
[20:19] <rany> oerheks: snaps are no good if you have an hidpi display
[20:19] <minimint93> When online on other side I will get back for the lsb? What is that? Just gives u version of soft?
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[20:22] <leftyfb> minimint93: lsb_release was to tell the version
[20:22] <leftyfb> minimint93: the version of ubuntu
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[20:26] <MagePsycho> chmod -R g+w /var/www VS chmod -R g+ws /var/www
[20:26] <MagePsycho> can anyone explain the difference
[20:27] <Random_-> between what?
[20:27] <leftyfb> MagePsycho: https://www.linuxnix.com/sticky-bit-set-linux/
[20:28] <MagePsycho> +w -> add writable permission, but +ws -> means what in chmod command
[20:29] <leftyfb> MagePsycho: see the link I posted above
[20:29] <binary_hamster> hello
[20:29] <MagePsycho> sticky bit set -> just to make the folders non deletable
[20:30] <leftyfb> binary01: please stick with 1 nick/host and please stop posting garbage
[20:30] <hggdh> leftyfb: ?
[20:33] <tomreyn> binary01: i think leftyfb meant to address binary_hamster there, who has since left.
[20:33] <leftyfb> yeah, sorry
[20:34] <Sir_Andrei> you are Ubuntu developers or something like that?
[20:34] <Sir_Andrei> I've seen you know an inmense amount of packages...
[20:34] <leftyfb> Sir_Andrei: this channel us run by the Ubuntu community
[20:35] <leftyfb> mostly ;)
[20:42] <Sir_Andrei> I have my Lightdm log here ioria
[20:43] <Sir_Andrei> http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/GWhxWmJMNR/
[20:43] <coconut> rany: why are snaps no good for that? (just made me curious)
[20:44] <leftyfb> coconut: I was suggesting that mentioning snap as the way to install packages to someone who doesn't know anything about it, might not be best
[20:45] <Ubu-1604> anyone else update to linux 4.4.0.130? .. i just did ... booted ok :)
[20:45] <leftyfb> coconut: probably makes more sense to have an understanding of the default package manager before delving into a new one
[20:45] <Ubu-1604> this ubuntu 16 rox :D
[20:46] <coconut> leftyfb, ok, but what does that has to do with HiDPI tft screens, like rany said?
[20:46] <leftyfb> Ubu-1604: do you mean ubuntu 16.04?
[20:46] <tomreyn> Sir_Andrei: what you see there is X crashing with signal 6 (SIGABRT)
[20:46] <leftyfb> coconut: no idea
[20:47] <Sir_Andrei> X is crashing, nice.
[20:47] <Sir_Andrei> Idk if u know the context tomreyn.
[20:47] <Ubu-1604> question : i keep having icons disapear from the launcher bar .. i find the app again and 'lock to launcher' , but its only certain ones that keep disapearing .. any ideas?
[20:47] <tomreyn> Sir_Andrei: no i dont
[20:47] <Sir_Andrei> I was speaking with ioria about it half an hour ago.
[20:47] <coconut> and yes, i do agree with you about that
[20:47] <Sir_Andrei> Well, I've installed Nvidia drivers, CUDA 9.0 and tensorflow (python3).
[20:48] <Sir_Andrei> After that, I've done an apt autoremove.
[20:48] <Sir_Andrei> And..., apparently it did a mess. Now when I start Lubuntu lightdm-gtk-greeter won't start.
[20:48] <Sir_Andrei> I have the apt log here..., one moment.
[20:48] <Ubu-1604> leftyfb:  yes ubuntu 16.04 .. absoutly the best OS i have going ... i constantly let it keeep updating .. the firefox web runs soooo darn smoooth :)))
[20:49] <Ubu-1604> leftyfb: i am so resisting changing to ver 17.x since this Unity GUI runs so darn nice.
[20:49] <Sir_Andrei> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/vsJ4qTqXwV/
[20:49] <Sir_Andrei> apt log ^
[20:50] <leftyfb> Ubu-1604: you mean 18.04. 17.04 long supported and 17.10 will end support this month.
[20:50] <Sir_Andrei> I'm using i3 as wm.
[20:51] <Ubu-1604> leftyfb: ummmm ver 16.x suppotr is for another 3+ years from my understading ... as long as this autoupdate keeps going I AM IN ! :)
[20:51] <tomreyn> Sir_Andrei: there are too many things involved there which i have no experience with. i porbably can't help.
[20:51] <Sir_Andrei> Ok c:
[20:51] <ppf> Sir_Andrei: what's thte issue?
[20:51] <Ubu-1604> leftyfb: the GUI difference between version 16 and 17 are VERY different.
[20:52] <leftyfb> Ubu-1604: I did not mention 16.04. I mentioned 17.04 and 17.10 which you should not upgrade to.
[20:52] <Sir_Andrei> ppf, i said it few messages ago to @tomreyn
[20:52] <leftyfb> Ubu-1604: no, 16.04, 16.10 and 17.04 all have the exact same "GUI". Upgrading to 17.10 from 16.04 will also keep the exact same "GUI"
[20:52] <tomreyn> Sir_Andrei: --allow-remove-essential - as seen in line 113 of https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/vsJ4qTqXwV/ - is not usually a good idea, though.
[20:53] <Biessie52> x11vnc keeps shutting down when i try to resize screens when im VNC'd in. anyone ever have that issue? 18.04 LTS
[20:53] <Biessie52> it doesnt do it everytime. it's at random.
[20:53] <Sir_Andrei> @tomreyn Thx, I have that parameter in a script I've done few years ago.
[20:54] <Biessie52> i have to SSH back in and re-run my command in screen.
[20:54] <ppf> Sir_Andrei:you said plenty, but i didn't see the issue
[20:54] <ppf> apt screwed up how?
[20:54] <Ubu-1604> leftyfb: ummm from my understanding the GUI between ver 16 and v17 is VERY different, ver 16 is 'Unity' and v17 is something totlly something else .. not even related... no plan in upgrading .. however .. i AM installing the latest ver 18.X on some rack mount computers ihave here to run a ftp server.
[20:54] <Ubu-1604> what ever .. i love this Ubuntu allot .. runs very fast on older gear :)))
[20:55] <leftyfb> Ubu-1604: please stop saying version "16" and "17". There's no such thing. There's 16.04 LTS, 17.04 (unsupported) and 17.10 (unsupported as of this month).
[20:55] <Sir_Andrei> Well, I exactly don't know how.
[20:55] <JPSman> does 18.04 come in a 32-bit version?
[20:55] <leftyfb> Ubu-1604: Ubuntu releases are based on the year and month they were released. 16.04 mean 2016, April. 17.10 means 2017 October. They are not series of versions (18.x)
[20:56] <Sir_Andrei> I think it removed some essential package.
[20:56] <JPSman> my 9 year old cousin is trying to run ubuntu in virtual box, and can only run 32 bit version for some reason......
[20:56] <oerheks> JPSman,  sure, but then you would have no chrome browser, and other 64 bit only apps
[20:56] <ppf> Sir_Andrei: what's the symptom
[20:57] <JPSman> oerheks, awesome, where can I find an ISO?
[20:57] <oerheks> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/
[20:57] <Sir_Andrei> LightDM Gtk Greeter won't start.
[20:57] <oerheks> or torrents
[20:57] <oerheks> !torrent
[20:57] <ppf> Sir_Andrei: what's the error
[20:57] <JPSman> oerheks, little dude can't do torrents
[20:58] <oerheks> JPSman, oke, but if you need it, http://torrent.ubuntu.com:6969/
[20:58] <tomreyn> JPSman: maybe the 32-bit image is what he has already, and can thus only run it in 32-bit?
[20:58] <JPSman> its part of the virtual box selection, there is only the Ubuntu (32bit) option
[20:58] <tomreyn> JPSman: or maybe the host does 32-bit only? there could also be bios restrcitions.
[20:59] <Sir_Andrei> ppf, lightdm log
[20:59] <Sir_Andrei> http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/xPvGYgQFCY/
[20:59] <Sir_Andrei>  
[20:59] <Sir_Andrei> "[+0.33s] DEBUG: XServer 0: X server stopped
[20:59] <Sir_Andrei> "
[20:59] <tomreyn> JPSman: then just the right iso wont help
[20:59] <JPSman> a 32 bit iso won't help?
[21:00] <oerheks> it works ..
[21:00] <oerheks> use the manual howto use guest additions, and voila
[21:01] <ppf> Sir_Andrei: what's xorg.log and .xsession_errors have to say?
[21:01] <Ubu-1604> leftyfb: my appologies .. I though 16.04 was still going .. the 'upgrade check' is still working just fine .. I just did one now that upgraded linux to 4.4.0.156 and the reboot went OK. Are you saying that this auto software upgrade  will NO longer run for me?
[21:01] <tomreyn> oh yes if the intent is to run ubuntu with 32-bit then it'll work
[21:01]  * leftyfb sigh
[21:01] <leftyfb> Ubu-1604: it is still going
[21:02] <leftyfb> Ubu-1604: you should install linux-image-generic-hwe-16.04 for your kernel
[21:02] <leftyfb> Ubu-1604: that will bring you to 4.15.0.24.46
[21:02] <Sir_Andrei> ppf http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/srQGRzzTyZ/
[21:02] <Sir_Andrei>  
[21:02] <Sir_Andrei> But that's because i've restarted lightdm using systemctl
[21:03] <JPSman> I'm not seeing a 32-bit version of 18.04 -- does it even exist?
[21:03] <JPSman> sorry, "i386'
[21:03] <ppf> Sir_Andrei: what is?
[21:03] <Ubu-1604> leftyfb: ok good .. but YES the GUI from v16 and v17 is totally different .. Unity is v16 and the GUI for v17 is VERY much different .. I am not much of a linux/GUI person but for someone like me to change to V17 is just not smart ... BOTH v16 and v17 should constantly be supported by ubuntu/connical
[21:03] <leftyfb> Ubu-1604: incorrect
[21:03] <leftyfb> Ubu-1604: and please stop saying "v16" and "v17" ... I just go through explaining to you the versioning
[21:04] <Sir_Andrei> Xsession
[21:04] <Sir_Andrei> http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/NfvcNh4JBj/
[21:04] <Sir_Andrei>  
[21:04] <Sir_Andrei> ^
[21:04] <Sir_Andrei> ppf, what is what?
[21:04] <Ubu-1604> leftyfb: sigh ... what is the gui used in v16 and the gui used in BOTH v17 and V18
[21:04] <ppf> what is because you restarted lightdm?
[21:05] <leftyfb> Ubu-1604: ok, nevermind. I explain things to you and you don't care to read/listen/understand. So ... good luck
[21:05] <ppf> Sir_Andrei: you said you installed cuda, X can't load your nvidia driver
[21:05] <tomreyn> Sir_Andrei: it seems that you uninstalled the nvidia driver, but have not fully reverted to nouveau (the open source driver for nvidia hardware)
[21:05] <Ubu-1604> leftyfb: v16 uses Unity .. v17/18 use GNOME as the gui right?
[21:05] <ppf> yes
[21:06] <leftyfb> no
[21:06] <leftyfb> because there's no such thing as "v16" , "v17" or "v18"
[21:06] <leftyfb> Unity was default up until Ubuntu 17.10
[21:07] <Sir_Andrei> Yea, but I have two videocards.
[21:07] <leftyfb> 17.10 defaults to Gnome Shell but upgrades from previous versions of ubuntu would keep Unity
[21:07] <Sir_Andrei> Integrated GPU and Nvidia GPU.
[21:07] <Sir_Andrei> ppf, so...
[21:07] <leftyfb> But it doesn't matter, because Ubu-1604 is just going to argue with what I just said
[21:08] <ppf> Sir_Andrei: so?
[21:08] <ppf> you need either driver
[21:08] <ppf> so a) install nvidia, or b) properly install/enable nouveau
[21:08] <Sir_Andrei> Hmm, I have files I'v downloaded this morning.
[21:08] <Sir_Andrei> I'll try C:
[21:09] <ppf> what files did you download?
[21:09] <Ubu-1604> leftyfb: your njot explaining much at all ... the GUI interface between ver 16.X and v17/18 is TOTALLY different correct? ...v16 uses 'UNITY' and both v17/18 use GNOME as the main GUI correct ???
[21:10] <leftyfb> Ubu-1604: stop trolling
[21:10] <leftyfb> Ubu-1604: I've explained to you multiple times
[21:11] <marlid> when will Firefox 61 come to Ubuntu? It was released last Wednesday...
[21:11] <Ubu-1604> leftyfb: not trolling .. I am WANTING to use this Unity GUI for the version v18 that I am going to install ... but from what I am reading I can ONLY use GNOME as the default GUI that the v18 ISO is currently downloading with .. right?
[21:11] <ppf> !info unity
[21:11] <leftyfb> Ubu-1604: When did Ubuntu release "v18"? Show me
[21:11] <ppf> Ubu-1604: ^
[21:11] <ppf> Ubu-1604: it's 18.04
[21:12] <leftyfb> Ubu-1604: lets get this figured out here
[21:12] <ppf> or bionic
[21:12] <leftyfb> ppf: I got this
[21:12] <leftyfb> Ubu-1604: When did Ubuntu release "v18"? Show me
[21:12] <Sir_Andrei> I'd downloaded cuda-9.0.176_384.81_linux.run
[21:12] <ppf> Sir_Andrei: okay
[21:12] <ppf> leftyfb: :)
[21:12] <Ubu-1604> leftyfb: ver 18.04 yes .. BUT what is the GUI ???? it is NOT the opne used in 16.04 (UNITY!) right ?? .. it's something else? .. gonome or what ever it's called.
[21:12] <leftyfb> Ubu-1604: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases   do you see a "v18" on there? Or a "v16" or a "17"?
[21:12] <leftyfb> Ubu-1604: stop
[21:12] <leftyfb> I told you
[21:13] <Sir_Andrei> Done, I've reinstalled the driver with that file.
[21:13] <Sir_Andrei> And..., nothing..., lightdm still won't start.
[21:13] <Sir_Andrei> :C
[21:13] <Ubu-1604> leftyfb: maybe you don't understand the GUI itself changed from version 16 to version 17 .. it's totally different code.
[21:13] <marlid> you can install unity on 18.04, ubu
[21:13] <leftyfb> Ubu-1604: https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/zDsC44jc7w/
[21:13] <ppf> Sir_Andrei: that's just cuda, does it install the driver as well?
[21:13] <Sir_Andrei> Yea
[21:14] <nacc> Ubu-1604: leftyfb's point is that you are using incorrect terminology. Fix that first
[21:14] <leftyfb> Ubu-1604: feel free to read over my multiple expiations to you at your leisure
[21:14] <Sir_Andrei> First time I did this I've installed the driver manually.
[21:14] <leftyfb> explanations*
[21:14] <ppf> Sir_Andrei: okay
[21:14] <ppf> did you blacklist nouveau?
[21:14] <Sir_Andrei> No
[21:14] <Ubu-1604> leftyfb: i saw your pastbin ... thanks for a useless printscreen.
[21:14] <leftyfb> Ubu-1604: READ I
[21:15] <leftyfb> IT*
[21:15] <Ubu-1604> leftyfb: left reading ..
[21:15] <ppf> Sir_Andrei: do that
[21:15] <Sir_Andrei> Idk how
[21:16] <Sir_Andrei> Well, I'll google about it, one moment.
[21:16] <leftyfb> Ubu-1604: I hope you learned a couple things today. I'm out now. Good luck
[21:16] <Sir_Andrei> I'm on blacklist.conf
[21:17] <Sir_Andrei> It is just "blacklist noveau"?
[21:17] <ppf> Sir_Andrei: the installer should do that
[21:17] <ppf> Sir_Andrei: yes
[21:17] <Sir_Andrei> Thx.
[21:17] <ppf> and lbm-nouveau
[21:17] <Sir_Andrei> Well, I have not any line saying that...
[21:17] <Sir_Andrei> Did it.
[21:17] <ppf> cat /etc/modprobe.d/*
[21:18] <Ubu-1604> leftyfb: ANSWER this question only ... do version 16.10 and forward (version 16.10,17.04/17.10/18x) use the "UNITY" gui? .. do you understand the difference between UNITY and GNOME interface ... only version 16.04 LTSA uses the UNITY interface.  DO verion 17 and 18 USE the UNITY gui or not?
[21:18] <Sir_Andrei> I have a file called "nvidia-installer-disable-noveau.conf"
[21:18] <Sir_Andrei> In modprobe.d
[21:18] <nacc> Ubu-1604: 17.04 is sort of irrelevant. 18.04 does not use unity by default.
[21:18] <ppf> but you can install it
[21:18] <nacc> Ubu-1604: as you were told by a few poeople, you can install unity after the fact
[21:18] <marlid> 17.04 uses Unity, 17.10 and 18.04 do not
[21:18] <Ubu-1604> nacc : what interface GOES v18 use then .. gnome?
[21:18] <Sir_Andrei> "# generated by nvidia-installer"
[21:18] <nacc> Ubu-1604: yes.
[21:19] <ppf> Sir_Andrei: yeah
[21:19] <leftyfb> Ubu-1604: I understand the difference more than you. The answer to your question is yes and no. 16.10 -> 17.04 DEFAULT to Unity. 17.10 DEFAULTS to Gnome. An upgrade to 17.10 will KEEP Unity.
[21:19] <Ubu-1604> ahhhh ok then .. thanks for the answer.
[21:19] <Sir_Andrei> It says "blacklist noveau", "options noveau modeset=0"
[21:19] <ppf> Sir_Andrei: did you reboot after install?
[21:19] <Sir_Andrei> Yea
[21:19] <ppf> reboot again after you've reinstalled the driver now
[21:19] <ppf> and paste xorg.log
[21:20] <Ubu-1604> leftyfb: really .. so ver 17.10 switched back to unity? .. just wondering cause it is a good interface ... but i guess ver 18 doesn't use Unity at all?
[21:20] <Sir_Andrei> Ok, one moment.
[21:20] <leftyfb> Ubu-1604: please read what I said, yet again
[21:20] <leftyfb> Ubu-1604: you're not listening to anyone
[21:20] <leftyfb> you were just told you can still install Unity
[21:20] <nacc> leftyfb: if you're out, be out.
[21:20] <leftyfb> you were also told that 17.10 didn't switch anything. It KEEPS
[21:21] <nacc> Ubu-1604: to summarize leftyfb's point, are you asking about upgrades or fresh installs?
[21:21] <Sir_Andrei> ppf http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/X6mQmsWfSv/
[21:22] <Ubu-1604> leftyfb: i am not good at installing linux/ubuntu software .. if I download ubuntu ver 18 I am not smart enuf to SWITCH from GNOME to UNITY ... which is WHY I asked in the first place ... switching gnome to unity is by far too much for me to do.  I am not as smart as u.
[21:22] <nacc> Ubu-1604: it's (afaik), just `sudo apt-get install unity`
[21:22] <nacc> Ubu-1604: and then you pick unity from GDM as your session
[21:22] <ppf> Ubu-1604: there's no ubuntu 'version 18'. get that straight
[21:22] <Sir_Andrei> Ubu-1604, if it exist a will, it exists a way ;)
[21:22] <nacc> Ubu-1604: sorry, `sudo apt-get install unity-session`
[21:24] <ppf> Sir_Andrei: 'please see the system's kernel log for additional error details'
[21:24] <ppf> so, paste that please :)
[21:25] <oerheks> !info ubuntu-unity-desktop
[21:25] <nacc> oerheks: oh thanks! didn't realize that also existed :)
[21:25] <nacc> i suppose it must for upgraders
[21:25] <oerheks> sure .. and MIR .. https://community.ubuntu.com/t/mir-0-32-0-release/6774
[21:25] <oerheks> :-D
[21:26] <oerheks> not dead, friends
[21:26] <Sir_Andrei> ppf, where is located that log?
[21:26] <oerheks> yes, default would be gnome3
[21:26] <ppf> Sir_Andrei: /var/log/syslog
[21:26] <oerheks> and xorg, not wayland, as it is LTS
[21:26] <ppf> Sir_Andrei: /var/log/kern.log
[21:26] <Sir_Andrei> Thx
[21:28] <Ubu-1604> all : well the reason ubuntu 16.04 is the ONLY version selected for all the Intel NUC computers (if you read the Ubuntu NEWS at all) ... yes the 16.04 is extremely important to me and what I am using Ubuntu for (https://blog.ubuntu.com/2018/06/21/ubuntu-16-04-lts-certified-for-intel-nuc-for-iot-device-development)
[21:28] <Ubu-1604> leftyfb: READ https://blog.ubuntu.com/2018/06/21/ubuntu-16-04-lts-certified-for-intel-nuc-for-iot-device-development
[21:29] <Ubu-1604> leftyfb: left thats WHY version 16.04 LTS is so important to ME .. dont care about other versions.
[21:29] <Sir_Andrei> ppf http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/rkPGYftTt7/
[21:29] <Sir_Andrei> kern.log
[21:29] <Sir_Andrei> It says some interesting stuffs...
[21:29] <marlid> then keep using 16.04
[21:29] <Sir_Andrei> As "API mismatch"
[21:29] <marlid> no one is forcing you to upgrade
[21:30] <nacc> Ubu-1604: if you don't care about other versions, why were you asking about them?
[21:30] <ppf> Sir_Andrei: which kernel did you boot
[21:31] <Sir_Andrei> 4.15.0-23-generic
[21:31] <ppf> uname -r
[21:31] <audis> is there a easy way to update packages on offline machine?
[21:32] <ppf> !offline
[21:32] <Sir_Andrei> Yeah, I saw it with uname -r
[21:32] <Sir_Andrei> 4.15.0.23-generic
[21:32] <audis> thanks, that was fast
[21:32] <Ubu-1604> nacc: i asked if tohers got the new kernel linux upgrade .. that's what I asked for in the first place .. the i get this 'why are you using older unsupporter ubuntu ... please upgrade talk from lefty).
[21:33] <nacc> Ubu-1604: i don't know about the entire conversation; but if you are on 16.04 you're supported for a while.
[21:34] <Ubu-1604> nacc: and since I am asking ... is lunix 4.15.x? the leastest version ... the ubuntu auto software update just did 4.4.0.156 I think ... i take it there must be a different kernel version used in v17/v18 than v16 is?
[21:34] <marlid> 18.04 is on 4.15
[21:35] <Ubu-1604> ah ok i underatnd .. ver 16.04 LTS is reporting back 4.4.0-130-generic
[21:35] <nacc> Ubu-1604: "lunix"?
[21:36] <nacc> Ubu-1604: if you want a newer kernel, you can look into hwe
[21:36] <nacc> !hwe | Ubu-1604
[21:36] <Ubu-1604> yes this is what i was wanting to understand .. there is a major difference bewteen v16 and v17/v18 of Ubuntu.
[21:36] <nacc> Ubu-1604: uh, of course there is
[21:36] <nacc> Ubu-1604: that's 2 years of work, at least.
[21:36] <nacc> Ubu-1604: and please, for the last time, stop saying "v17" and "v18"
[21:37] <Ubu-1604> nacc .. faster tio type v17/v18 than this ... version 17.0x version 18.04 / beta ver 18.10.
[21:37] <nacc> Ubu-1604: faster and wrong.
[21:37] <nacc> Ubu-1604: please be accurate and correct instead.
[21:37] <Sir_Andrei> ppf?
[21:37] <ppf> distracted
[21:38] <Sir_Andrei> Oh, sorry
[21:38] <Ubu-1604> nacc http://releases.ubuntu.com/18.04/ ... so yes VERSION 18.X is real or not ?
[21:38] <ppf> verify the version of the components you installed
[21:38] <ppf> nvidia driver, cuda components
[21:38] <ppf> they have to match
[21:38] <Sir_Andrei> Tensorflow is working C:
[21:38] <Sir_Andrei> But not lightdm hahah
[21:38] <oerheks> Ubu-1604, you include 18.10, which is not out yet
[21:38] <nacc> Ubu-1604: I can see why leftyfb got frustrated with you. "18.X" is not anything either. 18.04 is. 18.10 will be eventually.
[21:39] <Sir_Andrei> Ill try installing again nvidia-384
[21:39] <oerheks> just call it bionic :-)
[21:39] <nacc> oerheks: +1 :)
[21:39] <Sir_Andrei> Ubuntu "Bionic"..., that sounds nice...
[21:39] <nacc> technically 18.10 is inaccurate until it comes out.
[21:40] <oerheks> 18.10 still is on 4,.15, might have 4.17, and the kernel is hopping to kernel 5 soon.
[21:41] <audis> is  the 18.04 adapted well, like is the 3rd party driver support already doing well?
[21:42] <oerheks> we are successfull in avoiding 3rd party drivers, thanks
[21:42] <audis> :D
[21:42] <audis> it's nice if you do GPU calculations to have some drivers
[21:42] <Ubu-1604> when talking about a version number , example 1.X means 1.01 / 1.0090 / 1.anthing .. thats why one says .X ... the X is any number .. ver 18.x = 18.04 / 18.10 / 18.11 .. just fyi
[21:42] <marlid> Ubu-1604 come on
[21:42] <marlid> don't be retard
[21:42] <marlid> we are trying to be helpful here
[21:42] <oerheks> version number is related to month/year
[21:43] <oerheks> but oke
[21:43] <Ubu-1604> marlid:  well i keep being told ther is no 18.X .. like come one does anyone write code here?
[21:43] <marlid> you have to be specific
[21:44] <audis> I was starting to feel that pre18.x LTS was getting too old, hope the new one does well
[21:44] <marlid> there's a BIG difference between 18.04 and 18.10
[21:44] <Ubu-1604> oerheks: never ONCE have i seen version numbers realted to a realease DATE ... that must be a unix thing ... windows 3.11 was done in the year 300 month 11 ?
[21:44] <marlid> it's a Ubuntu thing
[21:44] <marlid> deal with it
[21:48] <Sir_Andrei> F*ck yeah man!
[21:48] <Sir_Andrei> ppf: F*ck yeah!
[21:48] <Sir_Andrei> I've installed nvidia-384 package, and now lightdm starts.
[21:49] <Sir_Andrei> Now, I'm curious
[21:49] <Sir_Andrei> Can u expain me why did this occur?
[21:49] <Sir_Andrei> I mean, drivers are written on kernel?
[21:50] <Ubu-1604> time to walk the pet rabbits ...
[21:58] <Sven_vB> is there any neat SSL CA software like TinyCA but with somewhat recent security? like supporting SHA-256
[22:23] <nacc> Sven_vB: you may want #ubuntu-server, but certobt?
[22:23] <nacc> *cerbot
[22:25] <Sven_vB> nacc, thanks, I'll ask there, too. I'll also have a look at certbot, and probably boulder.
[22:26] <Sven_vB> at least certbot's description doesn't sound like it helps with the CA side.
[22:27] <oerheks> not sure xca is still valid
[22:27] <oerheks> !info xca
[22:30] <DalekSec> xca is for when you want to create your own CA, this generally means that visitors will still get "self-signed" warnings, unlike Let's Encrypt which is actually trusted by default.
[22:30] <rangemonger> does anyone else find that the mouse sensativity controls do nothing in lubuntu?
[22:32] <nacc> Sven_vB: err you're right, i meant letsencrypt
[22:32] <nacc> Sven_vB: iirc, letsencrypt is now called certbot in ubuntu, if that helps :)
[22:33] <Sven_vB> DalekSec, thanks, I'll have a look into that as well. as long as I can import my certs from TinyCA2, my target audience will trust it.
[22:34] <DalekSec> Sven_vB: Ah cool, just making sure.  And yes I use xca myself, it's quite nice.
[22:53] <mattfly>  is there any student here that has to read a lot in a day and learn more by listening than reading a boring book?
[22:53] <mattfly> what is the speech to text program you use?
[22:53] <mattfly> text to speech*
[22:54] <mattfly> but not with voice synthesys, i want something natural but that would have a gui and show me what page im on and allow to go back on the book easilly
[22:55] <Ubu-1604> well it's nice to read from the wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases that 16.04.4 will be supported to the year 2021. I'll get ubuntu 18.10 installed on a different computer soon so I am allowed to ask questions here.   Thanks.
[22:56] <oerheks> festival or espeak  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/TextToSpeech
[22:56] <mattfly> but those are voice synthesizers
[22:56] <mattfly> is not what i mean
[22:57] <oerheks> oh, the other way around
[22:57] <mattfly> I need multilang support and the clearest possible speech, with gui so i can go back and foward
[22:58] <mattfly> theres no such thing native for linux at all it seems
[22:58] <mattfly> it could like use google api
[23:00] <mattfly> I'm willing to develop something like this if i dont find any satisfying solution, I would use c++ or python and Qt, merging a bunch of api's and things that already there into a gui and make possible to read a pdf file or ocr it and read it aloud
[23:00] <oerheks> multilangual would be a unreal demand, even on windows/mac
[23:01] <mattfly> google translate does it
[23:01] <mattfly> isnt it a free to use api?
[23:01] <oerheks> but there is julius, silvius, simon, xvoice, all with a learning curve and tweaks
[23:01] <mattfly> and isnt there some alternatives for that too
[23:02] <mattfly> we can make multilang with an api like that
[23:03] <mattfly> google translate can even autodetect the language
[23:03] <oerheks> yes, lols, that happens server side, but what you ask for is on your cpu/soundcard/
[23:04] <mattfly> yeah will play on my soundcard but consuming my network
[23:04] <mattfly> i just want to be able to study by hearing a book
[23:04] <rangemonger> sounds like a really really big bite
[23:04] <mattfly> I have internet of course and most people have so whats the matter
[23:05] <mattfly> nah is not so hard to build such application, im so impressed it doesnt exist
[23:05] <oerheks> .. by hearing a book
[23:05] <mattfly> yeah im lazy to read boring subjects ...
[23:06] <rangemonger> but not lazy enough to want to code that app?
[23:06] <mattfly> not really
[23:06] <mattfly> doing the app is interesting
[23:06] <mattfly> soil mechanics is boring
[23:07] <bazhang> can we return to topical ubuntu support please
[23:07] <mattfly> okay, if anyone is interested on helping me on developing this just contact....
[23:07] <oerheks> well, you seem not to understand my first answer, as you really just want a test to speech program, quite different than voice recognition
[23:08] <bazhang> text to speech?
[23:09] <mattfly> yes text t o speech
[23:09] <bazhang> that's quite different than something like siri or the like
[23:09] <mattfly> but multilang, with gui, and im able to select any line, go foward or backward and see whats being said
[23:09] <mattfly> damn i said speech to text at first?
[23:10] <mattfly> sorry i mean to like give it a pdf book and it reads it to me
[23:10] <mattfly> Is there such a thing for ubuntu or linux anyway?
[23:10] <bazhang> mattfly, duo lingual for text, but sounds like you want a text reader app of some sort
[23:10] <oerheks> is there such option for windows or mac? so no, linux does need to be configured too
[23:10] <oerheks> festival and espeak, that is
[23:11] <mattfly> yes there are for linux and mac
[23:11] <mattfly> balabolka is a freeware
[23:11] <mattfly> there are a plenty of paid ones for linux and mac only
[23:11] <mattfly> there was an online one but no multilang
[23:12] <Yankeepape> hi
[23:12] <mattfly> hi
[23:14] <mattfly> festival and espeak are voice synthesizers
[23:15] <mattfly> balabolka uses the Microsoft Speech API, I thought there could be a version using something like the google translate api and work on linux
[23:15] <mattfly> How can I know if there isn't really such thing?
[23:17] <Gringonar> I'm trying to ubuntu to boot on a Laptop with Nvidia optimus i tried both Ubuntu 18.04 LTS as well as Ubuntu 16.04 LTS both give a kernal panic, trying other istro have pretty much the same issues except arch i know this is not an Arch channel but i atleast i have an entry point to perhaps try some things out but i'm at a complete loss
[23:17] <Sven_vB> oerheks, just found your xca suggestion in the logs, so thanks to you as well. :)
[23:17] <bazhang> mattfly, could we take the offtopic chatter to #ubuntu-discuss or elsewhere please
[23:17] <oerheks> mattfly, who cares, it is windows software.
[23:18] <mattfly> I just wanted to know the linux version of that
[23:18] <mattfly> well ok thanks
[23:18] <oerheks> why?
[23:18] <mattfly> because i wanted to use it without needing windows
[23:19] <bazhang> take a look at alternatives to website then mattfly , this is not really an ubuntu support issue, thanks
[23:19] <Sven_vB> mattfly, I use the MS speeck SDK in wine
[23:19] <oerheks> wine says silver https://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=version&iId=34389
[23:19] <oerheks> but no guarantees
[23:20] <qwebirc33618> hi everyone
[23:20] <Bashing-om> Gringonar: What results booting with the nomodeset boot parameter ?
[23:21] <speedy01> so, I'm pretty new to linux....and was told to try out ubuntu
[23:21] <speedy01> but for the life of me, I can't get it to install....nor boot to the live usb
[23:21] <speedy01> fedora loads and installs fine...
[23:21] <bazhang> speedy01, have you read the ubuntu manual pdf for starters?
[23:21] <Gringonar> the ubuntu images i tried did not allow me to change anything like that
[23:21] <bazhang> !manual | speedy01 have a look
[23:21] <speedy01> bazhang: yes...ive also googled a good bit trying some other stuff
[23:22] <Sven_vB> mattfly, however I don't understand what you aim for if you want text-to-speech without voice synthesis. it's like wanting a lake without water.
[23:22] <speedy01> tried a few edits to grub..but get nothing
[23:22] <speedy01> only a blank, backlit screen...
[23:22] <Gringonar> How can i add boot parameters?
[23:22] <bazhang> speedy01, care to clarify on the 'other stuff'
[23:22] <speedy01> tried nomodeset
[23:23] <speedy01> tired set gfxpayload=txt
[23:23] <speedy01> tried recreating media
[23:23] <Gringonar> speedy01 are you trying a laptop?
[23:23] <speedy01> tried no splash
[23:23] <mattfly> Sven_vB:  What i mean is not those too artifical voices but clear ones like on google translate, speak sucks so brutally for my language while google translate generated voice is acceptable
[23:23] <speedy01> Gringonar: yes
[23:23] <Gringonar> with intell cofeelake?
[23:24] <Gringonar> its the new 6 core one
[23:24] <Bashing-om> !nomodeset | Gringonar
[23:24] <speedy01> Gringonar: no...is a 7th gen
[23:25] <speedy01> Kaby lake I believe
[23:25] <Gringonar> oh ok
[23:25] <Gringonar> yes but how do i add boot paremeters?
[23:25] <Sven_vB> mattfly, so you want a speech synthesizer with a reasonable speech font. yeah that's rare for free.
[23:26] <Sven_vB> mattfly, which languages?
[23:26] <Gringonar> Ubuntu 18.04 and 16.4 just crash n giver kernel panic
[23:27] <speedy01> for what its worth, I'm trying to install to a Lenovo yoga 720
[23:27] <speedy01> and fedora loads fine to it.....
[23:27] <Gringonar> for me its an MSI GE73 8RF
[23:28] <speedy01> also tried different usb sticks..to rule out that being an issue....
[23:28] <speedy01> grub loads...for what thats worth....any thoughts?
[23:28] <Gringonar> I tried ubuntu 18.04 and 16.04 fedora 28 debian 9.4 an Arch whatever the current one is
[23:29] <Gringonar> i dont get into a grub menu at all
[23:30] <Gringonar> Does it have anvidia card speedy?
[23:30] <Bashing-om> !uefi | Gringonar
[23:31] <Gringonar> i currently am running in legacy mode
[23:31] <Gringonar> as that was recommended to me
[23:32] <Gringonar> i see
[23:33] <speedy01> no..intel
[23:33] <oerheks> speedy01, i guess that fedora loads in legacy bios
[23:33] <speedy01> oerheks: it loads in eufi
[23:33] <Gringonar> well let me try uefi i assume the ubuntu auto detects this?
[23:33] <speedy01> my bios doesn't allow for legacy
[23:33] <speedy01> which is another story! lol
[23:34] <oerheks> lots of guids, all require special steps for uefi,...  It is necessary to change the storage setting in the BIOS from RAID to AHCI = breaks windows
[23:35] <speedy01> I did make that change
[23:35] <speedy01> I don't care about windows...actually already install fedora over it...
[23:35] <speedy01> so no lost love there.  its my new found hatred for windows 10 that has me looking toward a linux bistro!
[23:35] <oerheks> oke, legacy bios is no problem then
[23:36] <rangemonger> does your machine have a 32bit uefi?
[23:36] <rangemonger> ubu isos dont have a 32bit loader, you can add it
[23:36] <oerheks> that was yoga 700 or so, he has 720
[23:36] <rangemonger> not to be confused with a 32bit cpu
[23:37] <oerheks> but, good spot rangemonger
[23:38] <speedy01> perhaps Rufus messed up on creating my media...perhaps I should first try another tool
[23:38] <rangemonger> i only know because i have 2 32bit uefi devices
[23:38] <speedy01> I get zero output after the grub menu
[23:39] <Yankeepape> speedy01: try another tool then rufus..
[23:41] <speedy01> downloading iso now..will try
[23:42] <speedy01> using GF Mac to trouble shoot....never made usb from a mac before...hopefully its not to difficult to find Mac tools! lol
[23:43] <oerheks> dd .. sync
[23:48] <speedy01> dd scares me a bit! lets hope I don't format the Mac!
[23:49] <illuminated> what does dd stand for?
[23:50] <myself> I've always thought of it as 'data dump' but there are several possible explanations
[23:50] <myself> 'disk destroyer' is a popular one ;)
[23:51] <speedy01> looks like UNetbootin has a Mac tool..maybe I'll try that first!
[23:53] <Bashing-om> speedy01: So long as you are 100% sure of the target .. 'dd' is the prefered linux tool .
[23:53] <FManTropyx> "sshd[10731]: Failed password for invalid user ubuntu from 186.118.162.109 port 48649 ssh2" :)
[23:55] <oerheks> so the user is invalid
[23:55] <speedy01> I'll try dd
[23:56] <speedy01> I can always reinstall osx :)
[23:56] <speedy01> her fault for not having backups ! lol
[23:56] <oerheks> diskutil list
[23:57] <Bashing-om> speedy01: 'sudo parted -l' to know the target .. and then ' sudo dd if=/path/to/iso of=/dev/sdX bs=4M && sync ' . replace sdX with the real target .