[00:05] Biessie: is is common for the router provided by the ISP (or, pretty much, any router) to implement a firewall blocking out->in access [00:06] correct - I have port forwarding enabled.. and you personally can connect to my servers using the correct port. [00:06] but however i can not using the WAN IP being inside the same network. [00:07] Biessie: being inside your LAN? [00:07] If my terminology is incorrect forgive me.. let me try to explain this better. [00:09] If i am trying to connect to my SSH server for instance i can ONLY connect to it using my LAN to LAN ip... I can not connect LAN to WAN ip. However, you can connect WAN to WAN [00:09] just curious as to why.. someone called it hairpin NAT issue but i can't seem to find out exactly what that means [00:09] yes, again, common. Your LAN does not know about your public IP address [00:09] myself: i'm not sure i shoul dbe talking to myself, but just in case: is your issue solved, yet? [00:11] hggdh : Not understanding why? It is aware of every other public ip but not its own? [00:13] Biessie, so your computer is acting as a nat enabled router ? [00:13] Biessie: the *router* knows about the public IP address. But your LAN does not. And, most probably, the WAN network is protecting itself from a loop, so if it receives a SYN from (you pub IP) it will drop it, since it makes no sense for you to go out to go in [00:14] (and there is a risk of loop) [00:14] WoC : No idea. networking isnt my specialty. [00:14] myself: you'll want to "sudo cryptsetup luksOpen /dev/sdb5 sdb5_crypt" (requires passphrase / key file), then work with /dev/mapper/sdb5_crypt (use pvscan if it contains an LVM2 PV as well) [00:14] Biessie: what we usually do is we set *internal* names for the services to be accessible from the internal network [00:15] hggdh : Okay that makes sense.. in a way. I know it makes no sense to leave to come right back BUT i just like to test things to make sure it works via WAN. but i suppose if my port forwarding is done properly then i dont need to worry [00:15] Biessie: when we test remote access we usually deploy a *remote* client to test. Testing from inside the LAN will not really tell you anything [00:16] tomreyn: Not solved yet, but I'm at a loss to discern whether the troubles I'm having might be due to the ongoing failure of the now-external disk. [00:16] gotcha [00:16] hggdh : Thanks for the time to explain this to me [00:16] it might work with a client and DMZ [00:17] Biessie: yw [00:17] Biessie: as an additional point, I have this issue on every deployment we do [00:17] myself: run "sudo apt install smartmontools; sudo smartctl -a /dev/sdb" to inspect the status of the external disk. [00:20] Heh. Says 'passed' but the reallocated sector count is up to 40 now. Crap. [00:21] Biessie: for monitoring proper service availability / operation, it completely makes sense to test this from outside of your network. and you could rent a cheap VPS somewhere to run a socks5 (or 4a) proxy or VPN (just for yourself) on it, then use this to access the services you host like anyone else would (be sure to do nameresolution remotely, so on the VPS). [00:21] myself: that's not too much. would oyu like to share the output? [00:22] !pastebinit | myself [00:22] myself: pastebinit is the command-line equivalent of !pastebin - Command output, or other text can be redirected to pastebinit, which then reports an URL containing the output - To use pastebinit, install the « pastebinit » package from a package manager - Simple usage: command | pastebinit [00:22] tomreyn : roger that! [00:22] oh that's super amusing! Coming right up. [00:23] https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/9STXWmpZVx/ [00:24] (now if I was running irssi on the affected machine, I could /exec that...) [00:25] myself: and risk being quieted for a while because you would have dumped a lot of lines here :-) [00:25] nah, pastebinit only has a single line of output :) [00:26] just the url [00:26] myself: make sure you use discard / TRIM on all block device layers [00:27] myself: so what kind of error messages are there about this disk? [00:28] oh, pastebinit doesn't grab stderr by default :) [00:29] myself: It could be related to "Unexpect_Power_Loss_Ct" since the reallocated sectors raw count is exactly double the unexpected power loss. [00:29] https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/V8yHCgZFKn/ [00:30] TJ-: most of those power losses are just in the last few minutes unplugging the USB device :) But no, it started flaking out after the machine had been on several days continuous, I don't think there's a correlation. [00:31] myself: is this on an external USB<>SATA bridge by any chance? [00:31] It is now. It was internally installed when it failed. [00:32] Backstory: I recently replaced my laptop's main SSD, so the old drive (with my encrypted ubuntu 16.04 installation on it) is now hanging off an external USB interface. When I plug it into my (fresh 18.04) system now, it prompts me for a password, which I supply.....and then nothing happens. [00:33] The disk isn't decrypting/mounting. I thought it was a duplicate-vg-name problem so I renamed one of my VGs but I think I might've hosed that up at this point. [00:34] myself: have you tried using the manual 'cryptsetup' command in case there's additional diagnostic messages from the CLI? [00:36] myself: and this (now external SSD) was developing I/O errors whilst still in the laptop on the native SATA interface? [00:36] Right, that's why I replaced it. [00:36] cryptsetup seems to have done something without error this time... [00:37] progress: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/bC5s6DYwSn/ [00:38] now I just need to mount it, I think... [00:39] myself: for that model I'm reading info that suggests the issue could be related to the SSD's "DevSleep" mode, for which there is a firmware fix apparently. This thread offers more info: https://communities.intel.com/thread/125108 [00:41] oh interesting! From the looks of that thread, I'd expect that failure to present differently, but sure, updating the firmware (once I get my files off it) can't hurt. [00:41] Well, if the SSD is in dev-sleep mode I'd expect it to fail a read :) It's certainly worth exploring [00:42] To be clear, this isn't particularly urgent; dejadup has me covered up 'til about a week ago, except for a VM image that I could live without. It'd be a great exercise to get the files off, but I'm not gonna cry if I can't. [00:42] (much love for dejadup!) [00:42] is the kernel reporting I/O errors now you've opened the LUKS device manually? [00:43] If the device is in a mobile PC then the battery power-saving settings may be too aggresively setting the sleep mode of the SSD - possibly using hdparm to change that could help, for example [00:44] dmesg is a wall of errors... [00:44] I'm using 100% default settings on a thinkpad with ubuntu, tried to go with the most-likely-to-be-correct-out-of-the-box hardware I could, hoping to avoid the sort of tinkering that gets me into trouble ;) [00:44] but yeah, if it's not set by default, it's not set. [00:48] what does "sudo hdparm -C /dev/sdc" report ? (shows the power state) [00:50] standby [00:51] and does that change if, in another terminal, you try to access the drive? [00:51] sdc? https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/yQdhnV9GNt/ [00:51] I have a couple different USB-SATA bridges over here, I noticed the disk was vanishing when I had it attached to the USB3 unit, so I stuffed it into a USB2 enclosure instead and it seems much improved. [00:52] myself: you'd expect it to show "drive state is: active/idle" [00:52] the sdb/sdc thing is probably because I switched bridge chips [00:52] oh ok, i hadnt seen the latest state [00:53] Heh. Even while actively running the disks benchmark tool, and watching the activity light on the bridge chip flicker like mad, hdparm -C still shows "standby" [00:54] myself: DevSleep is documented in section 5.3 of https://www.intel.com/content/dam/www/public/us/en/documents/product-specifications/ssd-540s-series-spec.pdf [00:55] myself: that could be the bridge chip lying; many of those chipsets are poor with regard to correctly supporting the SATA/AHCI requirements [00:56] if you have a chance to connect it directly to a sata bus, do. [00:56] I'll look DevSleep that if I decide to place the drive back in service, but at the moment my interest is really in figuring out how to mount this thing... [00:56] New thinkpads lack the ultrabay, sadly :( [00:56] (and no esata port, etc) [00:56] do you have more computers? [00:57] Swimming further away from shore sounds like fun... (xkcd 345) [00:58] sometimes the oasis is situated behind a drift hill [00:58] It'll be considerably harder to get pastebin stuff from that machine. But, yeah, let me see if it'll boot. [00:59] myself: if you've opened the LUKS device, and activated the LVM side, then mount should be straight-forward. But, if the kernel is reporting I/O errors, but SMART shows the drive basically clean, then you have to suspect the (USB) interface [01:00] I'm trying to learn enough to know whether I've opened a LUKS device or not... [01:01] myself: when you do "cryptsetup open --type=luks ..." you'll get a device node in /dev/mapper/ which, from your pastebin, looks like sdc5_crypt - does that sound correct? [01:01] is "dmsetup ls" shows the "_crypt" device then its open, otherwise not. [01:02] myself: if at that point there are I/O errors, then LVM activation will fail, which sounds like what you're experiencing [01:04] Ooo. I think I've got it, I needed to rerun a mount command which failed previously. I see files now. [01:05] myself: is that for sdc5_crypt ? [01:07] this time I had to mount by the vg name but it seems to have worked [01:12] Yes, that is correct, the order is "raw disk" > "partition" > "LUKS device" > "LVM VG" > "LVM LV" > "mount file-system" ! [01:12] oh dear [01:12] https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/Mf7C26j8fR/ [01:12] I seem to have two things mounted on / [01:13] (So, I screwed up when I tried to rename one of the vgs, 'oldvg' is actually the running system, 'ubuntu-vg' is the data on the failing disk) [01:14] right, you've mounted the 'broken' vg-root onto / - not good! [01:14] that seems to have happened automagically when I ran cryptsetup [01:15] what you should do is something like: "sudo mkdir -p /mnt/broken; sudo mount /dev/mapper/ubuntu--vg-root /mnt/broken" [01:16] Yes that worked! I couldn't figure out how to unmount it but remounting it somewhere else did the trick. Thank you. [01:16] so I swapped out my ethernet cable for a longer one (moved my desk) and now I can't connect over LAN [01:17] tried 3 different cat5e cables and no cigar [01:17] myself: possibly because when the encrypted device is opened, it will be scanned by LVM, the VG seen, and automatically activated. But that shouldn't cause a mount operation **unless* there is a matching entry in the running /etc/fstab which uses the UUID= form - I'm suspecting you may have duplicate file-system UUIDs which is bad [01:17] cold rebooted twice [01:17] any advice? [01:17] shouldn't be duplicate UUIDs, but definitely duplicate vg's at some point and probably stale entries in somewhere. [01:18] Prestige: can you move the machine back temporarily to test with the original cable? Also check the jack for crud. [01:18] myself: right, "sudo blkid" can help confirm that [01:18] it'd be an enormous pain to do so, but it was working with the other cable right before I moved the computer [01:18] i think the other is cat6 but it's like 4' long [01:19] TJ-: No duplicate UUIDs, glad to report. [01:19] Prestige: can you test the new cable(s) with an alternate (laptop) PC maybe? [01:19] yeah they're working on my laptop [01:19] Modern ethernet chipsets will negotiate 100/full over a piece of wet string... [01:19] Connect the laptop to the desktop, see if either side gets linkbeat? [01:20] my computer tries connection at 10 Mb/s (even though I have gigabit internet) [01:20] and then it fails to even connect at 10 [01:21] Prestige: does "ethtool" report the link up and a data rate? [01:21] don't appear to have that installed [01:22] give me a min [01:22] Prestige: how about checking the kernel log? does it report link-up messages? [01:23] https://pastebin.com/Es5zsdTJ [01:23] from ethtool [01:26] also this, from dmesg https://pastebin.com/JcQJkgd8 [01:27] it's up but at 10, that screams like broken cable or dirty contact. Differential signalling fails *hard* if only one wire of a pair is making contact. [01:27] the interface says my wired connection is off [01:27] so idk why that's reporting otherwise [01:27] if I turn my wifi off, I have no internet at all [01:30] but anyway, the cables im using are brand new [01:30] so i dont think that's it [01:31] make sure both ends of the cable are grounded [01:31] grounded? it's ethernet, it's galvanically isolated by transformers on both ends. [01:31] so the NICs or computers or switches or routers they plug into [01:32] yes, hopefully so. [01:32] Prestige: Bent pin on the NIC cable connection ? .. took me several days once to find my bent pin . [01:32] yeah idk what u mean by grounded ethernet cableslol [01:32] Dirt in the jack is the most likely. Get in there with some compressed air or a toothpick. Moving the machine gives a good opportunity for crud to sneak in. [01:32] hmm I hope not but maybe [01:32] I'll check her out [01:32] yeah, dirt should've fallen out after repeated replugs, bent pin is a good theory too. [01:33] Prestige: sounds to me like a bent pin, or short, in the connector sockets at one end or the other. [01:34] Prestige: did you try connecting to an alternative socket on the switch/router end ? [01:34] Prestige: that'd help pin-point which end the fault is [01:35] yeah i tried 4 different ports on the router [01:35] I just checked my computer, no bent pins/dirt [01:36] maybe I should try manual configuration.. [01:36] Prestige: the other possibility is 'relaxed' terminals, where they aren't fully connecting with the plug [01:36] hmm idk about that [01:37] Prestige: is the longer cable laid next to anything that is very electrically noisy, like an air-conditioner [01:37] Can you bring any other device (spare router, laptop, whatever) near the desktop and plug them together with the known-good cable, just to see if link comes up? Doesn't need internet access, just linkbeat. [01:37] new cables can be broken too.. [01:38] nothing noisy near, and the cable works on my laptop [01:38] Prestige: re: relaxed terminals. In the socket are 8 spring-loaded terminals. Sometimes 1 or more can 'relax' or not press firmly onto the pins on the plug. I've fixed that by gently levering them with a pin or needle a few times [01:39] Prestige: is it an Intel chipset for the Ethernet device? I know of some problems caused by power-saving modes with some [01:39] Prestige: and, if it is, have you been dual-booting that PC with Windows too? [01:39] but if it worked yesterday... [01:39] it worked earlier today with the cat6 cable [01:39] these new ones at cat5e [01:39] reset router perhaps? [01:39] suppose I could give it a shot [01:40] It's either physical, or a PHY layer issue [01:40] that would clear all leases [01:40] oerheks: it's not getting that far [01:40] oerheks: the physical link isn't able to electrically negotiate the line [01:41] I have a box of cat333 around here somewhere, I'm tempted to do some BER testing on a max-length line just to see how modern chipsets feel about it ;) [01:41] TJ-, yes, and it works with his other machine, that makes no sense.. [01:41] er, cat3 [01:42] After cat9 the network is dead! [01:44] then we have to move to hex, catA and catB cables will be the stiffness of gardenhose and fencepost, respectively. [01:45] welp same issue === Prestige_ is now known as Prestige [01:47] do u think maybe my nic only accepts cat6 for some reason [01:47] Prestige: doubt it. what is the chipset? can you show us "pastebinit <( lspci -nn )" [01:48] https://pastebin.com/htEdquEw === brainwash_ is now known as brainwash [01:49] Prestige: I think my earlier suspicion may be correct; seen this many times with that chipset "Ethernet controller [0200]: Intel Corporation Ethernet Connection (2) I219-V [8086:15b8]" [01:49] Prestige: are you dual-booting with Windows ? [01:49] no [01:50] This chipset has a low-power mode which it can get stuck in. when this happens for some reason the Linux kernel driver can't fully initialise it. [01:50] hmmm [01:51] Prestige: in the cases I've dealt with, the cause was the Windows driver using the power savings mode and when the PC rebooted into Linux, the driver couldn't fully activate the NIC. In that case the solution was to, in Windows Device Manager, for the NIC, disable the power saving modes [01:52] Prestige: but it's also possible something else has caused the same issue [01:52] I really don't have any idea on how to debug that lol [01:52] Prestige: but I'd still suspect the physical connection based on what you've told us so far [01:53] Prestige: have you tried connecting the PC and the laptop directly together with the 'bad' cable and see if there's any different behaviour? [01:53] I haven't. would that just create a loopback connection or something? [01:54] enp0s31f6: renamed from eth0 .. new naming from old ? [01:54] No, it's a direct connection, perfectly usable. Gigabit interfaces MUST do auto-MDIX to configure themselves [01:54] idrk [01:55] oerheks, think the autorenaming could be causing an issue? [01:55] Prestige: nothing to do with naming [01:56] The link negotiation is done at the physical, chipset layer. That is failing. [01:57] this is nuts [01:57] Prestige: did you check in the PC's firmware/BIOS set-up in case there are some options affecting the NIC ? [01:57] maybe I should go trade this cable for a cat6 and see if that does anything [01:57] I mean it was working earlier today with another cable so I don't think any bios settings would affect it [01:58] Yeah, trade the cable, or find a way to test again with the known-working cable [01:58] You'd be surprised! if the PC has been turned off in the meantime especially [01:58] As has been said, testing the cable(s) with direct connections between laptop and desktop PCs is the quickest way [01:59] ok I'll try that out [02:03] nothing showing up yet [02:06] nothing shows on the desktop, the laptop keeps saying "connecting..." then "Cable is unplugged" [02:11] Hi. I need some help with my ubuntu server. [02:12] It seems to be crashing for some unknown reason every day or so. [02:13] it doesn't shut down either but the display stops working and its not reachable on the network. [02:13] ubuntu lts 16.04.4 [02:14] I thought it might be a memory issue but memtest86 seemed fine and I tried swapping out the memory without any change. [02:15] qwebirc81708: when you restart it, do the log files give any clues of what was going on when the freeze/crash happened? [02:15] qwebirc81708: nvidia graphics with the nouveau driver ? [02:15] qwebirc81708: how much RAM, and did you run memtest overnight? [02:16] Prestige: since the problem started have you completely powered off the desktop PC, unplugging from wall ? [02:16] yeah ive done 2 cold reboots [02:19] does the known good cable work between laptop and desktop PCs ? [02:20] no video drivers its a server, so no x. [02:20] I should say "does it STILL work" ? [02:20] memtest86 for 14 hours [02:20] its been unplugged a few times yes. [02:20] qwebirc81708: are you monitoring temperatures? [02:20] and its on a ups. [02:20] hmm no. [02:20] i am confusion [02:21] i've also checked the syslot etc. and theres never any indication of anything in the log. [02:21] they just stup. [02:21] stop [02:21] qwebirc81708: could be an overheating issue, possibly caused by an intensive cron job ? [02:21] i gues I should try monitoring temps. [02:21] not any intensive cron jobs i don't think. [02:21] mostly its a plex server. [02:21] qwebirc81708: also, has it started since a recent kernel upgrade? if so, try booting with an older kernel version [02:22] nah its been happening for like six months now. [02:22] qwebirc81708: could it be a chipset config issue due to a firmware/BIOS setting ? [02:22] I will see aboutn monitoring the timps. [02:22] temps [02:27] Prestige: Sounds like the desktop NIC died. That's really odd. On the plus side, NICs are cheap. (Probably cheaper than the pain of moving the desktop back to do more testing..) [02:27] How do I get the kernel source? [02:27] On the other-plus side, I got the files I care about off my failing drive! [02:27] qwebirc81708: you could provide some hardware /firmware information using: pastebinit <( sudo dmidecode --type baseboard; sudo dmidecode --type bios ) [02:28] !kernel [02:28] The core of Ubuntu is the Linux kernel: see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Kernel - You shouldn't have to compile your own, and if you need to troubleshoot issues, you can try a !Mainline kernel instead, but if you insist, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Kernel/Compile (see also !Stages) [02:28] myself: can you RMA the drive? [02:29] I'll have to check on warranty status, but I'm definitely gonna look into it. [02:29] Eric^^ you still there? [02:29] Thank you for all your help, TJ- and tomreyn! [02:29] myself: welcome. [02:29] ty all for ur time [02:30] https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/JQXwXYhD9X/ [02:30] paging ioria :D [02:31] qwebirc81708: oh that's a ryzen cpu right? [02:31] yeah [02:32] qwebirc81708: well those can freeze on low load, known hardware bug [02:32] Thanks TJ- [02:33] qwebirc81708: the workaround is to get the latest available bios and change a setting there to the non default value. let me get the details [02:33] https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=196683 [02:33] bugzilla.kernel.org bug 196683 in x86-64 "Random Soft Lockup on new Ryzen build" [Normal,New] [02:34] qwebirc81708: you need to set "Power Supply Idle Control" to the non-default value of "Typical Current". [02:34] wow [02:34] omg [02:35] thank you tomreyn [02:35] I ow you a beer. [02:35] ;) [02:35] better try it first and see if it works. but i'm almost sure it will. [02:35] it sounds like exactly my problem. [02:35] <3<3<3 [02:36] okay now I gotta chase down my child for bedtime [02:36] but thanks a million [02:36] this has been vexing me for litteral months. [02:36] ;) welcome, good luck on your chase [02:38] !cookie tomreyn [02:41] radolf === kilo is now known as flyingtoaster [02:56] Bind questions: would changes in /etc/bind/named.conf.local overrule those in files included earlier? [03:25] hey my mouse sorta works funky [03:26] it likes to sorta jump around random directions when it stops moving/the pull rate decreases [03:26] *the mouse got variable pull rate from what I saw on terminal [03:26] from 0hz to 1000hz [03:27] might actually just be that my mouse pad is used up [03:27] nope [03:27] I removed a single hair from the sensor area thought that would do the trick [03:29] gonna check live cd === Nicmavr is now known as Guest41035 [04:20] how hard is it to install Windows after ubuntu? [04:23] windows will fuck up grub [04:23] so you will need to get your live usb again and rebuild grub [04:23] imo it's better to do windows and then ubuntu if possible [04:23] jamie1: https://paenatwilai.com/2017/04/11/step-by-step-how-install-window-after-linux-ubuntu/ [04:23] is it just me or do the mouse sensativity/accel settings in lubuntu not do anything? [04:25] will that work with uefi booting rangemonger [04:26] jamie1: you sure that question was for me? [04:26] nope lol [04:26] swedemike [04:26] :] [04:26] jamie1: I have no information that isn't in that article. [04:49] hello, how do i convert an extended logical to extended primary partition? [04:51] !partitioning | afidegnum start here [04:51] afidegnum start here: For help with partitioning a new install see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HowtoPartition | For partitioning programs, see !GParted (recommended) or !PartitionManager. Other partitioning topics include !fstab, !home, and !swap [04:52] I had my partitions already and gparted is not allowing me to convert the extended=> logical parttion to a bootable one [04:56] hi everyone === mio is now known as Guest12589 [04:57] afidegnum: do you run ubuntu, debian, or something else? [05:02] hie [05:03] mjkc [05:03] mkc bc [05:03] hello [05:03] frinds chai pilo [05:03] friends [05:04] mkb [05:06] hey [05:06] lkb [05:06] bkb [05:06] yo ma boi [05:06] yo mai pota [05:06] imma fuckboi [05:07] !ops | sjvxiid71 known troll [05:07] sjvxiid71 known troll: Help! Channel emergency! (ONLY use this trigger in emergencies) - Pici, Myrtti, jrib, Amaranth, tonyyarusso, Nalioth, lamont, CarlK, elky, mneptok, Tm_T, jpds, ikonia, Flannel, genii, wgrant, stdin, h00k, IdleOne, nhandler, Jordan_U, popey, Corey, ocean, cprofitt, djones, Madpilot, gnomefreak, lhavelund, phunyguy, bazhang, chu, dax [05:08] sjvxiid71: Hello, this is the Ubuntu support channel, not a general playground channel. Would you mind taking that elsewhere, unless you have an Ubuntu support question? [05:09] ya who's your momma? [05:09] kya bol raha tha be [05:09] douchebag mothafucka!!! === DrEmmettBrown_ is now known as DrEmmettBrown [05:33] Hey whjats up guys [05:34] good morning everyone === nikolam_ is now known as nikolam [05:39] morning === andyhuzhill_ is now known as andyhuzhill [05:56] 大家好 [06:00] Does your File>Open dialogue form applications have an ability to enter/paste full path to desired fiel to open? (i am on Xubuntu and it doesn't anymore...) [06:01] file [06:01] ill try [06:01] one sec [06:02] which app are you opening from? === erwinnovo is now known as PHPLearner [06:04] nikolam: you might be right, i dont see a way to do it anymore :[ [06:05] rangemonger, I wonder if this si Ubuntu problem, Xubuntu problem, Xfce problem or.. [06:05] nikolam: might have something do to with them switching things to gtk3 maybe? [06:07] wonder if it is the same on Ubuntu/GNOME.. [06:07] hi [06:07] ill find out, one sec [06:07] anyone here has installed Filezilla into Ubuntu 16.04 LTS [06:07] ive got a vm for every official buntu === PHPLearner is now known as easyOnMe [06:09] great, rangemonger [06:09] anyone here has installed Filezilla into Ubuntu 16.04 LTS [06:09] crap, its pretty much the same [06:10] hii [06:11] So it is consistent in missing that feature across Ubuntu flavors, so got to be it is something with libraries maybe [06:12] Or at least those flavors using GTK3 [06:12] nikolam: its pretty much the same on any gtk ubuntu [06:12] ill try manjaro and see if its like that [06:12] So seems like GTK3 feature problem [06:13] yeah, thats my guess [06:13] other than gnome, everything should have stayed at or forked gtk2 [06:14] anyone here has installed Filezilla into Ubuntu 16.04 LTS [06:14] yep, its not different on manjaro xfce [06:14] easyOnMe: it would appear not at the moment [06:15] nikolam: it just seems like gtk3 flat out doesnt have that feature [06:15] rangemonger: what do you mean [06:16] easyOnMe: im guessing no one that is active here at the moment is using filezilla [06:16] rangemonger: just want to ask you [06:17] I installed it using Ubuntu Software and now I am trying to look for it using Ubuntu Software to uninstall it I cannot find it [06:17] is there anything else I need to do [06:17] to uninstall this without having to use the terminal [06:18] easyOnMe: install synaptic, then you can (un)install stuff with a gui that works, i find the software center always has problems [06:19] #engineyard [06:20] nikolam: wow, the kde open is so much nicer, unfortunetely gtk apps still launch the gtk one from within kde [06:29] what is the command to find channels [06:29] on this chat [06:30] !alis [06:30] Alis is an IRC service to help you find channels. For help on using it, see "/msg Alis help list" or ask in #freenode. Example usage: "/msg Alis list http" [06:31] /!alis Filezilla [06:31] is it like that [06:33] easyOnMe: read the message from ubottu [06:34] ducasse: ok thanks :) [06:43] Hi! I'm trying to run a cron job by adding it to /var/spool/cron/crontabs/root, but it doesn't work. Even if I try to add "* * * * * root echo hi >/tmp/file", it just creates an empty file. I've tried using the absolute path to echo, that doesn't help. [06:48] pipe9x, have you tried to wrap it in a bash script? [06:48] pipo9x, sorry, typo [06:50] Wait, I think I got it - you shouldn't specify the user to run as in a user's spool file. I'll be right back. === Langley is now known as Ryvius [06:53] Yep, that's it. [07:00] does ubuntu run smooothly on macbook air [07:01] arunkumar413: probably, how much ram? [07:03] 8GB [07:04] arunkumar413: yes, thats more than enough [07:04] Randolf: I mean how is the performance [07:04] does it consume more battery [07:04] heatup [07:05] availability of drivers [07:05] etc [07:06] were there any tests done like the processor usage when multiple youtube videos are run [07:10] hi [07:10] hi [07:11] hi === max1m0 is now known as Anachronox [07:32] if I generate an SSH key with a password, and I'm using it to login to my VPS, how come it doesn't require me to enter the key [07:32] *key's password? [07:33] Hi. While doing at upt upgrade, installing linux-headers-4.15.0-23-generic is stuck (same as when I did the upgrade the last time). [07:33] I aborted and did a dpkg --configure -a now, but its again stuck. What can I do? [07:40] 'stuck'? [07:41] fub: pastebin the output [07:43] EriC^^: Setting up linux-headers-4.15.0-23-generic (4.15.0-23.25) ... [07:43] then its like frozen. Nothing happens (even after a long time), ctrl+c also does not work. [07:44] top? [07:47] ppf: I killed it some minutes ago and started it again, it runs through now. [07:47] I had this exact same problem the last time I run upgrade. [07:56] thatlizdude, you must be mistaken. the key must not be password protected, or it isn't using the key you think it is using [07:59] thatlizdude: it asks the first time and then doesn't? that's ssh-agent at work, caching the credentials. [07:59] fub, ..... or you don't clean your cache === Richard is now known as Guest84868 [08:02] gigirock: what do you mean? === | is now known as Guest80733 [08:04] !queueStatus [08:06] no I found out the key doesn't use a password... [08:06] but thanks you :D [08:06] fub, please clean your pak cache before to upgrade , and be sure you don't have many linux kernel files versions in your system [08:06] gigirock: why? [08:06] gigirock: "and be sure you don't have many linux kernel files versions in your system" how do I ensure this? [08:07]