[01:11] <gf2> Hello. I am just learning about triaging tickets. The ubuntu-bugs team sent me to this IRC channel for my question. I have an older ticket that the reporter says is still a problem.  I found an upstream bug (   https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=202257     ). It is an older bug that has a long history and was re-opened by the gnome team, in May 2017 and is still open. But now I read about the migration from bugzilla.gnome
[01:11] <gf2> .org to GitLab  that may have happened last month.  Does anyone know if  *ALL* the old tickets have been migrated to the GitLab?  Should I get registered there and submit a new ticket? I searched the GitLab (using ticket number or ticket title) but did not find any matching ticket.
[07:49] <willcooke> morning
[07:54] <duflu> Morning willcooke
[07:54] <duflu> Predictably quiet
[07:55] <jibel> Good morning everyone
[07:55] <duflu> Morning jibel
[07:55] <jibel> hi duflu
[08:01] <Laney> hey
[08:03] <seb128> hey Laney
[08:03] <seb128> & willcooke duflu jibel
[08:03] <duflu> Hi Laney, seb128
[08:03] <seb128> how is everyone today?
[08:03] <duflu> So so today seb128. You?
[08:03] <seb128> oh? what's up?
[08:03] <seb128> I'm better, getting over that cold
[08:04] <seb128> though I've been woken up at 6am, the kid decided it was enough sleep and it was time to start playing
[08:04] <seb128> which is ok, early start means I can go play some tennis after work :)
[08:05] <duflu> seb128, headache today. But at least like you I managed exercise yesterday
[08:06] <seb128> how is the weather in your part of the world now?
[08:06] <seb128> here it's nice and summer-y :)
[08:07] <Laney> hey seb128 duflu
[08:07] <Laney> I'm good, just been out watering /o\
[08:07] <Laney> the bill is going to be big this time
[08:08] <seb128> seems it's a dry year here as well, I saw that as a title on the frontpage of a newspaper when I stopped for coffee earlier
[08:08] <duflu> seb128, weekly average probably 7-18 degrees, and 50% sun
[08:09] <duflu> Some colder and some warmer
[08:10] <seb128> k, it's definitively better here atm :p (normal, summer is starting ;)
[08:13]  * Laney wants raiiiiiiinnnnnnn
[08:17] <willcooke> Laney, I concur.  Keeping the turf alive is getting silly now
[08:20]  * Laney wilts at willcooke 
[08:20] <Laney> trying to keep the allotment going is a pain in the bum
[09:03] <seb128> happyaron, hey, do you know if anyone is working on getting the ibus / pkg-ime-devel@lists.alioth.debian.org situation resolved in Debian?
[09:03] <seb128> it's a bit stupid what is happening, a good part of the ibus stack has been removed from testing because the alioth email used for the maintainer is now invalid
[09:03] <seb128> (just got some GNOME people pinging me asking about that)
[10:49] <Trevinho> hi folks
[10:50] <Trevinho> Question for mutter in the LTS... So far we're just using debian packages, do we want to create a fork for that for when debian won't be using 3.28 anymore as base? Or should we still work on salsa branch for that?
[10:55] <Laney> Once we're not syncing we'll need a branch
[11:23] <seb128> hey Trevinho!
[11:23] <Trevinho> hi seb128
[11:23] <seb128> I guess L_aney answered to your question
[12:14] <didrocks> good afternoon!
[12:23] <seb128> hey didrocks, where are you? how is travelling going?
[12:23] <seb128> I forgot to ask when you started your trip yesterday
[12:23] <seb128> I just know you have a 3h connection in the middle :)
[12:24] <didrocks> seb128: I'm currently in Madrid
[12:25] <didrocks> actually, first flight was late
[12:25] <seb128> ah ok
[12:25] <seb128> when is the next leg?
[12:26] <didrocks> 15h45
[12:26] <didrocks> during the team meeting
[13:07] <hggdh> hi, it is probable you already know, but... relaying from -bugs:
[13:07] <hggdh> 11:27 <gf2> Hi Everyone, I asked Carlos Soriano of the Gnome team if the Evolution old bug  tickets were migrated from gnome bugzilla to GitLab last month. Per an email from him, he says that Evolution decided not to move. So, for  Evolution upstream tickets, continue to use the Gnome Bugzilla site.  Please  pass this information on to whoever is appropriate on the bug team, in  case anyone is
[13:07] <hggdh> wondering about upstream bugs reports for the Evolu
[13:07] <hggdh> 11:27 <gf2> tion package.
[13:10] <seb128> hggdh, thanks
[13:30] <willcooke> #startmeeting Desktop Team Weekly Meeting 2018-07-03
[13:30] <meetingology> Meeting started Tue Jul  3 13:30:02 2018 UTC.  The chair is willcooke. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
[13:30] <meetingology> Available commands: action commands idea info link nick
[13:30] <willcooke> Roll call: andyrock, dgadomski, didrocks (out), duflu (out), jbicha (out?), jamesh (out), jibel/heber, kenvandine, laney,seb128, tkamppeter, trevinho, robert_ancell (out)
[13:30] <andyrock> o/
[13:30] <Laney> |o|
[13:31] <Trevinho> o/
[13:31] <willcooke> Laney is a tie fighter today
[13:31] <kenvandine> \o
[13:31] <seb128> hey
[13:31] <alexm_> ho
[13:31] <jibel> o/
[13:32] <willcooke> I've got didiers report, so we have enough people to start I think
[13:32] <willcooke> #topic andyrock
[13:32] <andyrock> -Gnome-Shell
[13:32] <andyrock>  - Keybindings:
[13:32] <andyrock>    - https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gnome-shell/issues/373
[13:32] <andyrock>    - https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gnome-shell/issues/372
[13:32] <andyrock>  - OSK:
[13:32] <andyrock>    - https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gnome-shell/issues/109
[13:32] <andyrock>    - https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gnome-shell/issues/171
[13:32] <andyrock>    - Extended key not activated if mouse is never released
[13:32] <andyrock>  - Gnome-Software:
[13:32] <andyrock>    - Review https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gnome-software/merge_requests/56
[13:32] <andyrock> - Sun Sprint! :D
[13:32] <gitlab-bot> GNOME issue 373 in gnome-shell "Some keybindings should discard auto-repeat events" (comments: 0) [Opened]
[13:32] <gitlab-bot> GNOME issue 372 in gnome-shell "Keeping Alt+Space pressed shows the window menu and then minimizes the window" (comments: 0) [Opened]
[13:32] <gitlab-bot> GNOME issue 109 in gnome-shell "Extended characters in OSK don't get entered" (comments: 16) [Opened]
[13:32] <gitlab-bot> GNOME issue 171 in gnome-shell "On screen keyboard closes itself while browsing the language menu" (comments: 0) [Opened]
[13:32] <gitlab-bot> GNOME issue (Merge request) 56 in gnome-software "gs-shell: Remove app menu" (comments: 2) [Opened]
[13:32] <andyrock> eow
[13:32] <willcooke> thanks andyrock!  Busy busy busy
[13:33] <willcooke> #topic didrocks
[13:33] <willcooke> oh
[13:33] <willcooke> #topic dgadomski
[13:33] <dgadomski> hey
[13:33] <dgadomski> looking into some problems in PAM-GDM interaction after migrating setup from Xenial to Bionic, no lp bug for that one yet
[13:33] <dgadomski> eof
[13:33] <willcooke> thanks dgadomski
[13:33] <willcooke> #topic didrocks
[13:34] <willcooke> * .1 work (apport/whoopsie/update-notifier)
[13:34] <willcooke>   - found a new issue that even if apport was in autosend or never send mode, it still triggers the UI. Fixing involved and update-notifier patch as well as apport.
[13:34] <willcooke>   - incrementally fixed apport and update-notifier after an issue found by j_ibel (thanks!)
[13:34] <willcooke>   - upload apport with new UI and behavior in cosmic, update-notifier fixes in both cosmic and -proposed. Next plan is to backport apport fixes in -proposed once we got enough feedback for cosmic + email maintainers.
[13:34] <willcooke>   - the apport MP still needs to be reviewed upstream: https://code.launchpad.net/~didrocks/apport/whoopsie-auto-ui/+merge/348479
[13:34] <willcooke> * Telemetry:
[13:34] <willcooke>   - discuss latest metrics and review with j_ibel
[13:34] <willcooke> * Communitheme:
[13:34] <willcooke>   - have a strategy (package-based) for 18.10
[13:34] <willcooke>   - propose and discuss merging all sources into a single one: https://community.ubuntu.com/t/merging-repositories-into-a-single-one/6769
[13:34] <willcooke>   - remove symbolic icons from appmenu: https://github.com/ubuntu/gnome-shell-communitheme/pull/218
[13:34] <gitlab-bot> ubuntu issue (Pull request) 218 in gnome-shell-communitheme "Don't use symbolic icons for appmenu" (comments: 2) [Closed]
[13:34] <willcooke>   - continuing following up upstream discussions and giving advice
[13:34] <willcooke> * GUADEC:
[13:34] <willcooke>   - outline and prepare slide for "Unity to GNOME Shell" presentation
[13:34] <willcooke>   - prepare the trip
[13:34] <willcooke> #topic duflu
[13:35] <willcooke> * Gnome Shell: Great progress this week. Authored and updated:
[13:35] <willcooke>   - Performance: Implemented hardware presentation timing for Wayland sessions: https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/mutter/merge_requests/144
[13:35] <willcooke>   - Performance: Fixed related docs: https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/mutter/merge_requests/143
[13:35] <willcooke>   - Performance: Completed tangential fix to unblock other performance branches: https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/mutter/merge_requests/142
[13:35] <willcooke>   - Performance: Significantly reduced missed frames and stutter for Xorg: https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/mutter/merge_requests/145 (and Wayland when combined with 144)
[13:35] <gitlab-bot> GNOME issue (Merge request) 144 in mutter "renderer-native: Implement FrameInfo for KMS [performance]" (comments: 2) [Opened]
[13:35] <willcooke>   - Visual correctness & performance: Zoom and general rendering fix: https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/mutter/merge_requests/117
[13:35] <gitlab-bot> GNOME issue (Merge request) 143 in mutter "Fix docs for cogl_frame_info_get_frame_counter" (comments: 0) [Opened]
[13:35] <willcooke>   - Unfortunately I am now responsible for a quarter of mutter merge requests and none of them are progressing at the moment. I think because several Gnome people have been and will be traveling for a while.
[13:35] <gitlab-bot> GNOME issue (Merge request) 142 in mutter "clutter-text: Avoid clipping the wrong framebuffer" (comments: 5) [Opened]
[13:35] <gitlab-bot> GNOME issue (Merge request) 145 in mutter "WIP: clutter-stage-cogl: Avoid missed frames & stutter [performance]" (comments: 8) [Opened]
[13:35] <gitlab-bot> GNOME issue (Merge request) 117 in mutter "clutter: Fix offscreen-effect painting of clones [performance]" (comments: 19) [Opened]
[13:35] <willcooke> * HELP wanted with some blockages:
[13:35] <willcooke>   - GJS update awaiting Debian packaging: https://launchpad.net/bugs/1778660
[13:35] <willcooke>   - (blocked and fixed by the above) Gnome Shell leaks fix: https://launchpad.net/bugs/1672297
[13:35] <willcooke>   - [MIR] libsoxr pending desktop team approval: https://launchpad.net/bugs/1702558
[13:35] <willcooke>   - (blocked by the above) PulseAudio 12.0 major upgrade: https://launchpad.net/bugs/1778178
[13:35] <willcooke>   - BlueZ SRU for bionic awaiting sponsorship: https://launchpad.net/bugs/1759628
[13:35] <willcooke> * Daily bug management across gnome-shell, mutter, gdm3, ubuntu-themes, bluez, pulseaudio, dkms, wayland, totem, mpv, libinput.
[13:35] <willcooke>   - Mostly good steady progress.
[13:35] <willcooke>   - https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vRDHPxGBHqM6XkT_S8ggtYfD0xchKSUD_z9PopNVE3G1rU05fVSnxDGcDsEstl7gu7N-tzCU6mLUp2V/pubchart?oid=254968654&format=interactive
[13:35] <willcooke> #topic jbicha
[13:35] <willcooke> jbicha, around?
[13:36] <willcooke> I'll assume not, and move on.  Can come back
[13:36] <willcooke> #topic jamesh
[13:36] <willcooke> snapd/portals:
[13:36] <willcooke> - On the question of what to do with systems with old
[13:36] <willcooke> xdg-desktop-portal versions, there seems to be agreement on using an
[13:36] <willcooke> RPM spec file dependency check on OpenSUSE, so hopefully we can get
[13:36] <willcooke> the document portal activation branch merged this week.
[13:36] <willcooke> - There's a new mutter in bionic-proposed now, which fixes portals on
[13:36] <willcooke> Wayland sessions (thanks Trevinho!)
[13:36] <willcooke> - Still need to look at back porting
[13:36] <willcooke> xdg-desktop-portal/xdg-desktop-portal-gtk to xenial.
[13:36] <willcooke> - While enough is in place for file open/save support, there are
[13:36] <willcooke> problems with some of the other portals that I documented here:
[13:36] <willcooke> https://github.com/flatpak/xdg-desktop-portal/issues/196 -- I hope to
[13:36] <gitlab-bot> flatpak issue 196 in xdg-desktop-portal "Improve snap package support " (comments: 0) [Open]
[13:36] <willcooke> discuss further with the portal developers at GUADEC
[13:36] <willcooke> snapd/snap-uri-handler:
[13:36] <willcooke> - I got a review from Gustavo on this, so I don't forsee much hold up
[13:36] <willcooke> from the snapd team.
[13:37] <willcooke> - We still need to finalise the package name for the gnome-software
[13:37] <willcooke> snap and get it published to the stable channel before merging this
[13:37] <willcooke> change.
[13:37] <willcooke> - There is also the open issue that a host system provided
[13:37] <willcooke> gnome-software can claim to support snap:// URIs even when the plugin
[13:37] <willcooke> is not present:
[13:37] <willcooke> https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gnome-software/issues/405 -- this could
[13:37] <gitlab-bot> GNOME issue 405 in gnome-software "gnome-software's desktop file advertises support for URI schemes it may not be able to handle" (comments: 0) [Opened]
[13:37] <willcooke> lead to uncertain behaviour on some non-Ubuntu distros
[13:37] <willcooke> - A Fedora dev also requested that we instead try to install the
[13:37] <willcooke> plugin for the host system gnome-software.  That's going to be a
[13:37] <willcooke> policy decision though.
[13:37] <willcooke> snapd/other:
[13:37] <willcooke> - Based on review comments for other proposals, I made a branch fixing
[13:37] <willcooke> similar issues in other tests I'd written:
[13:37] <willcooke> https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/5413 -- unfortunately this
[13:37] <gitlab-bot> snapcore issue (Pull request) 5413 in snapd "tests: purge packages installed by accounts, calendar, and contacts interface tests" (comments: 5) [Open]
[13:37] <willcooke> seems to trigger problems on Arch.  The remaining issues are really in
[13:37] <willcooke> the snapd test infrastructure and don't directly benefit desktop
[13:37] <willcooke> tasks, so I'm not sure how much effort is worth spending on it.
[13:37] <willcooke> #topic jibel / heber
[13:37] <jibel> - SRU verification of gnome-control-center and update-notifier in Bionic.
[13:37] <jibel> - Finished work on the dashboard
[13:37] <jibel> - Verification of grub and efi fixes in cosmic and validation of the image.
[13:37] <jibel> - Fixing automated desktop ISO tests that broke after image builds have been fixed.
[13:37] <jibel> - Adding jenkins jobs for snap bluez tests on desktop
[13:37] <jibel> done
[13:38] <willcooke> thanks jibel
[13:38] <willcooke> #topic kenvandine
[13:38] <willcooke> kenvandine, around still?
[13:38] <kenvandine> * More progress on the snap-only branch of gnome-software, just need to nail down the branding/rename.
[13:38] <kenvandine> * Fixed desktop helpers crash when using LD_PRELOAD of bindtextdomain in a classic snap
[13:38] <kenvandine> * Updated gnome-contacts snap to use strict confinement, still waiting for snapd with the required interfaces land.
[13:38] <kenvandine> * Preparing for GUADEC, leaving today
[13:38] <kenvandine> ⚾
[13:38] <willcooke> thanks kenvandine
[13:38] <willcooke> #topic Laney
[13:38] <Laney> second
[13:38] <Laney> tomboy is crashing when I paste an emoji
[13:39] <willcooke> heh
[13:39] <Laney> ok
[13:39] <Laney> • 🌄 🏃
[13:39] <Laney> • Been submitting MRs to gnome for systemd stuff, got some initial reviews https://wiki.gnome.org/Initiatives/SystemdUser
[13:39] <Laney> • Helped T_revinho with his git stuff, moved the branches to ~ubuntu-desktop, need to look at the ones to merge
[13:39] <Laney> • Wrote a MP for gnome-shell to expose versioned directories for "stylesheetName" themes https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gnome-shell/merge_requests/133
[13:39] <gitlab-bot> GNOME issue (Merge request) 133 in gnome-shell "theme: Search in versioned directories" (comments: 0) [Opened]
[13:39] <Laney> • Backported libsoup2.4 CVE fix to Debian & cosmic
[13:40] <Laney> • Updated gjs in Debian, just about to sync
[13:40] <Laney> • I promised to look again at https://trello.com/c/x71lwFJG/138-track-rls-bug-numbers a week after filing, no movement
[13:40] <Laney> • no rls bugs
[13:40] <Laney> 🌽
[13:40] <willcooke> top emoji work there. 10/10
[13:40] <willcooke> thanks Laney
[13:40] <willcooke> #topic seb128
[13:41] <seb128> • travelled back from the sun-sprint and some post sprint catching up
[13:41] <seb128> • uploaded the oem fix for https://launchpad.net/bugs/1683445 to cosmic and bionic (xenial coming next)
[13:41] <seb128> • cleaned up the sponsoring queue a bit
[13:41] <seb128> • reviewed the work/plans for .1 and cosmic, we are having a slow start on the new cycle work due to the focus on .1 (which was not unexpected, but we should start transitionning now)
[13:41] <seb128> • reviewed the changes Didier has been making on the apport stack, good work Didier!
[13:41] <seb128> • reverted some libayatana use to unblock transitions in cosmic since that library is not MIRed yet
[13:41] <seb128> • debugged n-m-applet failing to build in cosmic, it's due to the n-m changes to drop some of the old libs, looking at resolving that next
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[13:41] <seb128> Laney, sorry that the trello board card didn't move Laney
[13:41] <seb128> it feels like we are not keeping up with work atm, summer is tough :/
[13:41] <seb128> (also I'm travelling on thursday for GUADEC)
[13:41] <seb128> that's it from me :p
[13:41] <willcooke> thanks seb128
[13:42] <willcooke> #topic tkamppeter
[13:42] <tkamppeter> - cups-filters: Let generated PPD files contain all needed info about the stacking order (face-up/face-down) of the output trays to print in the correct order (first to last or last to first). Made sure that output order option settings are followed.
[13:42] <tkamppeter> - cups-filters: Started on looking into pdftopdf not doing anything (like copies) twice when called both on a client and on a server (remote CUPS queue showing as IPP printers).
[13:42] <tkamppeter> - CUPS: Reported PPD generator changes of cups-filters as feature request to CUPS.
[13:42] <tkamppeter> - Google Summer of Code 2018: Mentoring of the students on Common Print Dialog Backends and printer auto-selection by job.
[13:42] <tkamppeter> - Bugs.
[13:42] <willcooke> thanks tkamppeter
[13:42] <willcooke> #topic Trevinho
[13:43] <Trevinho> · Some mutter and compiz upstream reviews
[13:43] <Trevinho> · Refactored, improved and pushed some fixes on mutter and g-s causing crashes
[13:43] <Trevinho>   - https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/mutter/merge_requests/81
[13:43] <Trevinho>   - https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/mutter/merge_requests/84
[13:43] <Trevinho>   - https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gnome-shell/merge_requests/82
[13:43] <Trevinho> · Pushed some refactories to g-s and mutter
[13:43] <Trevinho>   - https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gnome-shell/merge_requests/3
[13:43] <Trevinho>   - https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/mutter/merge_requests/147
[13:43] <gitlab-bot> GNOME issue (Merge request) 81 in mutter "Move MetaOutput::crtc field into private struct and add ref-chain" (comments: 1) [Merged]
[13:43] <Trevinho> · Created a script for generating git (gbp) repositories for ubuntu desktop packages,
[13:43] <Trevinho>   and pushing them to launchpad (thanks Laney for imports, didrocks for documenting the process)
[13:43] <Trevinho>   - https://git.launchpad.net/~canonical-desktop-team/+git/ubuntu-desktop-gbp-importer?h=master
[13:43] <Trevinho>   - https://community.ubuntu.com/t/desktop-deb-packages-migration-to-git/5746/8?u=3v1n0
[13:43] <Trevinho>   - https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-desktop/+git
[13:43] <Trevinho> · Telegram snap:
[13:43] <Trevinho>   - fixed upstream bug causing build issues
[13:43] <Trevinho>   - updated my PR for upstreaming it:
[13:43] <Trevinho>     + https://github.com/telegramdesktop/tdesktop/pull/4505
[13:43] <gitlab-bot> GNOME issue (Merge request) 84 in mutter "window: Return -1 if meta_window_get_monitor is called on an unmanaged window" (comments: 1) [Merged]
[13:43] <gitlab-bot> GNOME issue (Merge request) 82 in gnome-shell "Support unmanaged windows monitor index (negative)" (comments: 6) [Merged]
[13:43] <gitlab-bot> GNOME issue (Merge request) 3 in gnome-shell "st-icon: Create shadow pipeline at paint time" (comments: 11) [Merged]
[13:43] <gitlab-bot> GNOME issue (Merge request) 147 in mutter "Tests: fix make run-tests when builddir != srcdir" (comments: 0) [Opened]
[13:43] <gitlab-bot> telegramdesktop issue (Pull request) 4505 in tdesktop "Snap packaging support" (comments: 10) [Open]
[13:43] <Laney> pushed fixes causing crashes?!?!?!?!?
[13:43] <Laney> job security
[13:43] <Trevinho> aaha, yeah... you know xD
[13:43] <willcooke> :D
[13:43] <willcooke> thanks Trevinho
[13:44] <Trevinho> Ah... Made some pizza xD
[13:44] <willcooke> Ken do you have a report from RObert?
[13:44] <willcooke> kenvandine, ^
[13:44] <kenvandine> no...
[13:44] <seb128> :-(
[13:45] <Laney> tsk
[13:45] <willcooke> He's normally good, maybe travelling already?
[13:45] <willcooke> #topic rls-bugs
[13:45] <kenvandine> maybe
[13:45] <willcooke> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/glib2.0/+bug/1773334
[13:45] <willcooke> Is this the one we keep skipping?
[13:46] <Laney> don't think so, it was only tagged recently
[13:47] <Laney> I would say notfixing and we get it by the stable update in due course though
[13:47] <seb128> +1
[13:48] <willcooke> done
[13:48] <willcooke> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-bb-tracking-bug-tasks.html
[13:48] <willcooke> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-release-upgrader/+bug/1778817
[13:48] <willcooke> We need to fix that one, who can we assign?
[13:49] <seb128> I looked at that earlier, I'm not convinced it's a confirmed issue
[13:49] <seb128> also I don't why it targets bionic
[13:49] <seb128> if the issue is xenial updates the fix should be able xenial?
[13:49] <seb128> able->about
[13:49] <willcooke> heh good point
[13:49] <willcooke> jibel, could you look at recreating it as a first step?
[13:50] <seb128> +1 for that
[13:50] <jibel> willcooke, I tried, I could unlock every time. I think it's a timing issue
[13:50] <jibel> I'll try again
[13:50] <willcooke> kk, thanks
[13:50] <Laney> This is also why every sensible screensaver spawns a fresh helper process to handle the authentication through PAM. compiz (unity), apparently, does not.
[13:51] <Laney> that is the most slangasekish line ever
[13:51] <seb128> lol
[13:51] <Laney> jibel: I think the point is that it's supposed to not lock
[13:52] <jibel> Laney, yes and it locks
[13:52] <Laney> so you reproduced it...
[13:52] <jibel> the lock part not the fail to unlock part
[13:53] <Laney> don't think that matters if the point is the first half
[13:54] <willcooke> I would have thought the screen locking was desirable.  If you start and upgrade and go off for lunch, you would expect the machine to lock
[13:54] <willcooke> anyway, jibel if you can comment on the bug thats a good starting point
[13:54] <willcooke> next
[13:54] <willcooke> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-control-center/+bug/1779051
[13:55] <Laney> no, because you are doing open heart surgery on the system while it is conscious and it can forget how to unlock itself quite easily
[13:55] <Laney> that is what happens in that bug
[13:55] <willcooke> fair
[13:55] <willcooke> kk
[13:56] <Trevinho> Yeah, I think it's not a policy problem, more a bug that what the policy says it's not respected
[13:56] <Trevinho> Unity checks on pam only, not sure what happens
[13:56] <Trevinho> another option would be setting the gnome lockdown options in gsettings to force it
[13:56] <Trevinho> but, not the nicest way
[13:56] <seb128> let's not discuss the bugs details in the meeting
[13:57] <willcooke> jibel is going to take another look
[13:57] <Laney> The point of my comments was about who should get assigned.
[13:57] <Trevinho> willcooke: 1779051 seems that is already addressed, no?
[13:57]  * Laney shrugs
[13:57] <Trevinho> https://git.launchpad.net/~canonical-desktop-team/ubuntu/+source/gnome-control-center/commit/?id=924f74683e778dc967377811e414df3106015919
[13:57] <seb128> Trevinho, not SRUed to bionic yet
[13:57] <willcooke> Trevinho, yeah looks like it, although I think it needs SRUing
[13:57] <Trevinho> ah, ok... yep, agree
[13:58] <willcooke> I'll assign it to Robert
[13:58] <seb128> I don't know what to do with those
[13:58] <seb128> I would assign to Robert
[13:58] <willcooke> done
[13:58] <seb128> but he's going to do his usually disagreeing about being assigned or ignore it/unassign himself at some point
[13:58] <seb128> but oh well
[13:58] <seb128> we can have another disucssion when that happens
[13:59] <willcooke> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell/+bug/1714989
[14:00] <seb128> that has been fixed/SRUed
[14:00] <seb128> unsure why it's on the list
[14:00] <Laney> it's fix committed
[14:00] <Laney> but has a New gjs task
[14:00] <Laney> that might be in need of closing
[14:01] <willcooke> Trevinho, that one is with you please ^
[14:01] <Trevinho> soo.. the gjs task would be nice to fix, at least for C
[14:01] <Trevinho> but not strictly needed for that crash now
[14:01] <Trevinho> might be needed for others though
[14:01] <seb128> so let's invalid on this bug
[14:01] <Trevinho> So, shell side we're all set
[14:02] <seb128> it's difficult enough to read like that
[14:02] <Trevinho> I mean, invalid for bionic maybe
[14:02] <Trevinho> not for C
[14:02] <seb128> right
[14:02] <seb128> please do that
[14:02] <willcooke> thanks Trevinho
[14:02] <willcooke> k, I think that's the end of the list
[14:02] <willcooke> seb128, Laney - did I miss any?
[14:03] <Laney> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell-extension-ubuntu-dock/+bug/1730765
[14:03] <Laney> for c
[14:04] <willcooke> at this point, I dont think we have time.  I'm ok to bump it.  I would like some other changes to the dock too, so I think bundle them up for next cycle
[14:04] <Laney> go for it
[14:04] <willcooke> done
[14:05] <Laney> EOL
[14:05] <willcooke> #topic AOB
[14:05] <willcooke> Please could someone write a summary of sun sprint for me?  With pictures.
[14:05] <willcooke> No rush, but would be a good blog post
[14:06] <Trevinho> oh... ok :)
[14:06] <willcooke> :) thanks Trevinho
[14:06] <seb128> served with a tequilla next to the pool? ;)
[14:06] <seb128> lol
[14:06] <willcooke> Any other business?
[14:06] <Trevinho> Laney: want to make your blog cool? :-D
[14:06] <Laney> ok, I'll copy and paste your text in there :-)
[14:06] <willcooke> Didnt someone want to talk about Nautilus?
[14:07] <Laney> we should probably talk about gnome updates at some point
[14:07] <seb128> there was some community hub discussions about it where Didier pointed people here
[14:07] <Laney> like if other people need to pick those up more
[14:07] <seb128> is that what you refering to?
[14:08] <willcooke> seb128, yeah.  Oh, I think you replied there already.  But anyway, I dont think we should move until the "desktop" feature appears elsewhere
[14:08] <seb128> right
[14:08] <willcooke> Laney, can you talk about GNOME updates in person at GUADEC and then we can discuss in the meeting next time?
[14:08] <seb128> we are a bit under the water atm
[14:09] <seb128> we also said we would enable tracker this cycle
[14:09] <seb128> but that doesn't look on the path to happen
[14:09] <seb128> we should probably have included that as a feature in the planning
[14:09] <Laney> you think that's a lot of work?
[14:09] <seb128> we are already behind on features we signed for and that's not account work for the desktop feature, or GNOME updates, or tracker
[14:10] <seb128> not especially, but it needs someone to step up to push that forward
[14:10] <Trevinho> Ah.. .one thing we said at sun sprint... To ask upstream to take maintenance of the gnome-3-28 branches when they don't care anymore... So we can do SRUs and keep them updated too
[14:11] <Trevinho> as they won't care anymore at some point, while we'll still do
[14:11] <seb128> like the tracker MIR is blocked on someone to report about the crash reports situation
[14:11] <seb128> Trevinho, that sounds like a good topic for GUADEC
[14:11] <Trevinho> yep
[14:12] <Trevinho> not sure how to get this exposed to all the upstreams we care though xD
[14:12] <seb128> well, we can at least speak to a key ones
[14:12] <seb128> I don't expect us to do much on most components
[14:12] <Trevinho> Yeah, for sure nautilus, mutter+shell, gnome-software
[14:12] <seb128> gnome-shell stack and gnome-control-center/nautilus mostly
[14:12] <seb128> + gnome-software yes
[14:12] <Trevinho> ah and g-c-c yep
[14:14] <willcooke> anything more that needs the meeting for?
[14:14] <willcooke> erm
[14:14] <willcooke> English fail
[14:14] <willcooke> Anything more to talk about in the meeting?
[14:14] <seb128> that should be enough for this week imho
[14:14] <willcooke> yeah same
[14:14] <willcooke> carry on after if needed
[14:14] <seb128> +1
[14:14] <willcooke> #endmeeting
[14:14] <meetingology> Meeting ended Tue Jul  3 14:14:54 2018 UTC.
[14:14] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-desktop/2018/ubuntu-desktop.2018-07-03-13.30.moin.txt
[14:14] <willcooke> thanks all
[14:15] <seb128> thanks!
[14:20] <seb128> Laney, willcooke, jibel, I commented on bug #1778817, the gnome-session-inhibit command works on xenial, to me it looks like the issue is on the foundations/u-r-u side
[14:21] <seb128> I don't know how that one works, could be another ubiquity like "wrong env" issue
[14:21] <seb128> like not managging to talk to the correct session because the uid, dbus env or something is not right
[14:21] <Laney> thx
[14:21] <Laney> I don't think there's a compiz task there anyway is there?
[14:21] <Laney> unless we are really going to fix that thing Steve pointed out
[14:21] <Laney> seems unlikely to me
[14:23] <seb128> right
[14:23] <seb128> I was looking at it from the perspective of "is gnome-session-inhibit not working"
[14:23] <seb128> in which case it would be our issue
[14:23] <Laney> k
[15:13] <abeato> cyphermox, hey, is https://salsa.debian.org/cyphermox-guest/modemmanager.git the official ubuntu repo for MM?
[15:43] <cyphermox> abeato: I don't know, I haven't touched ModemManager or NetworkManager in quite a while
[15:43] <cyphermox> I suggest you ask jbicha if there's code anywhere else, but that repo is for debian
[15:51] <jbicha> I don't have any other code for MM
[15:52] <abeato> cyphermox, jbicha understood, thanks. what I wnated to know is if there was an equivalent of git+ssh://git.launchpad.net/network-manager for MM, and it looks like no
[15:54] <Laney> abeato: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager looks good
[15:54] <Laney> ermmm
[15:54] <Laney> https://git.launchpad.net/network-manager/log/?h=cosmic
[15:54] <Laney> no tag, but nearly there :-)
[15:55] <abeato> Laney, thanks, was thinking about MM here, nothing in https://code.launchpad.net/modemmanager/+git
[15:56] <Laney> ah, sorry, my brain didn't read that right!
[15:56] <abeato> :)
[15:57] <Laney> I would look at repos in the form of https://code.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/modemmanager/+git
[15:58] <Laney> looks like git-ubuntu ones
[15:58] <Laney> you could try if you wanted some fun
[15:58] <abeato> ah, yeah, that url contains some repos
[16:01] <abeato> (well, branches)
[16:02] <Laney> I don't think git-ubuntu's branches share objects with upstream git repos though; more of a reconstruction of what's been in Ubuntu (AIUI)
[16:02] <Laney> but depending on what you want, might be OK
[16:04] <abeato> I think they are useful as a base for a snap
[17:54] <tsimonq2> Is the server-side code for ubuntu-report anywhere?
[17:55] <tsimonq2> Lubuntu's going to use Calamares with 18.10 and we'll have some different install options to go along with that. Depending how flexible things are, we'll either need to special-case upstream or fork.
[17:55] <tsimonq2> Kubuntu could use Calamares soon as well.
[18:51] <willcooke> tsimonq2, not that I know of, but I don't think it's a secret.  However, why not all use the same backend?
[18:53] <willcooke> i.e. why do you feel that lubuntu needs to use it's own database?
[18:53] <willcooke> Is your thinking that the current backend might not be able to accept the data you want to throw at it?
[18:53] <tsimonq2> willcooke: Correct.
[18:54] <willcooke> got ya
[18:54] <willcooke> I know it's running postgres with the JSON "thingy" so that it, as I understand it, just stores the JSON blob as is
[18:54] <willcooke> and then you can use the JSON query interface to pull data out again
[18:55] <willcooke> jibel knows the most about this right now
[18:55] <willcooke> but he's EOD
[18:55] <tsimonq2> Ah, OK.
[18:55] <tsimonq2> Do you know his UTC offhand?
[18:55] <willcooke> tsimonq2, would you drop me an email and we can follow up there?
[18:55] <tsimonq2> s/offhand/offset/
[18:55] <willcooke> tsimonq2, -1
[18:55] <tsimonq2> willcooke: Sure.
[18:56] <willcooke> +1
[18:56] <willcooke> oh, except its summer time, so probably +2
[18:57] <willcooke> tsimonq2, I'd love to be able to all contribute to the same database, so very keen for us to try and accommodate you there first if we can
[18:57] <willcooke> plus one less database to admin :)
[18:57] <tsimonq2> willcooke: Right, and I wanted to make sure things were flexible here. :)
[18:58] <tsimonq2> We do share some common installer options, but Calamares adds some.
[18:58] <willcooke> if you have some specific metrics that you'd like to get at, we can look at extending ubuntu-report too, add a special run mode or whatever
[19:00] <tsimonq2> Yeah, some specific metrics would be good. I'll be happy to contribute code upstream though.
[19:00] <willcooke> woot
[19:01] <tsimonq2> willcooke: Hm, you don't seem to have a public LP email. What can I use?
[19:01] <willcooke> so yeah, if you dont mind, drop me an email and I'll get the right people on the thread
[19:01] <willcooke> or
[19:01] <willcooke> actually
[19:01] <willcooke> Community Hub might be better
[19:01] <tsimonq2> Sure.
[19:02] <tsimonq2> One thing though; I'm not exactly sure *what* we'd like to extend it to yet (there's some details I still need to work out) but I know that things will need to be extended in the future.
[19:02] <tsimonq2> So would you like to have a discussion about extending things now, or wait until I'm absolutely sure I know what I'm looking at?
[19:06] <willcooke> tsimonq2, I dont think there's any harm in us having a theoretical "How can we add more metrics / flexibility" to ubuntu-report and the backend / frontend reporting interface
[19:06] <willcooke> conversation
[19:06] <willcooke> now
[19:06] <willcooke> then we can solve that, and get in to the specifics later
[19:06] <willcooke> if that works for you
[19:07] <willcooke> In other news, all the players in the world cup should be utterly ashamed of themselves for cheating all the time.
[19:07]  * willcooke is getting angry watching this match 
[19:07] <tsimonq2> willcooke: Sure.
[19:07] <tsimonq2> hehe
[19:16] <tsimonq2> willcooke: https://community.ubuntu.com/t/extending-ubuntu-report/6851
[19:16] <willcooke> penalty!
[19:16] <popey> :)
[19:16] <tsimonq2> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
[19:16] <willcooke> thanks tsimonq2, will ask jibel and didrocks to reply tomorrow
[19:16] <tsimonq2> Thanks willcooke.
[19:19] <willcooke> get in!
[20:04] <willcooke> night