[02:58] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[03:09] <Bashing-om> WB lotuspsychje ,, been brisk in main for a change .
[03:09] <lotuspsychje> neat Bashing-om
[03:09] <lotuspsychje> users are sniffing new point release lol
[03:15] <Bashing-om> lotuspsychje: Interest in new installs on bizar hardware has certainly increased :)
[03:23] <lotuspsychje> Bashing-om: alot of specific techy stuff has reached us for sure
[03:23] <lotuspsychje> Bashing-om: i also feel very low bionic graphics problems these days..
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[05:48] <ducasse> good morning
[06:01] <lordievader> Good morning
[06:08] <daftykins> \o/
[06:10] <lordievader> Hey daftykins
[06:10] <lordievader> How are you doing?
[06:11] <daftykins> not bad at all thanks! not much sleep though, too many thoughts swishing around about work plans :>
[06:11] <daftykins> how are things with yourself?
[06:11] <ducasse> morning, lordievader
[06:11] <ducasse> enjoying your morning?
[06:12] <lordievader> Doing good here.
[06:13] <lordievader> Slowly configuring an old host as a secondary hypervisor
[06:13] <daftykins> ah nice, which technology?
[06:14] <lordievader> Ha, you dont want to know 😋
[06:14] <lordievader> An overclocked C2D.
[06:15] <daftykins> sorry i meant the virt tech in use
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[11:08] <JimBuntu> "fail for linux" + "What's logging" = Same person X-D
[11:10] <lordievader> daftykins: Oh, just libvirt/qemu.
[11:11] <lordievader> Nothing fancy for failover or anything. Just some more resources for non-essential vm's.
[12:11] <lotuspsychje> good afternoon to all
[12:12] <blackflow> o/
[12:12] <lotuspsychje> hey blackflow
[12:12] <lotuspsychje> just needed to fix a gdm issue on 18.04 on my desktop
[12:12] <blackflow> lotuspsychje: you mean to get it boot faster?
[12:13] <lotuspsychje> systemd stuck at gnome display manager ppp link was shut
[12:13] <lotuspsychje> no couldnt get in anymore
[12:13] <lotuspsychje> purge gdm gdm3 and reinstall gdm3 and ubuntu-desktop fixxed it
[12:15] <lotuspsychje> blackflow: got 2 new wishlists going for bionic
[12:16] <lotuspsychje> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/systemd/+bug/1776742
[12:16] <ubot5> Ubuntu bug 1776742 in systemd (Ubuntu) "[Wishlist] Add a GUI systemd service manager by default" [Wishlist,Confirmed]
[12:16] <blackflow> was gdm package dropped?
[12:16] <lotuspsychje> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-manager/+bug/1779723
[12:16] <ubot5> Ubuntu bug 1779723 in update-manager (Ubuntu) "[Wishlist] Add a GUI option autoremove kernel cleanup on updates" [Wishlist,Incomplete]
[12:16] <lotuspsychje> blackflow: not sure what caused this..
[12:33] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
[12:46] <lordievader> Hey BluesKaj
[12:46] <lordievader> How are you doing?
[12:49] <leftyfb> lotuspsychje: Marvel = Bugzie
[12:51] <lotuspsychje> leftyfb: oh jeez
[12:51] <lotuspsychje> hey lordievader BluesKaj
[12:52] <lordievader> 👋
[12:56] <BluesKaj> Hi lordievader, lotuspsychje
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[16:36] <lotuspsychje> !info linux-image-generic xenial
[16:36] <ubot5> linux-image-generic (source: linux-meta): Generic Linux kernel image. In component main, is optional. Version 4.4.0.130.136 (xenial), package size 2 kB, installed size 14 kB
[16:36] <lotuspsychje> !info linux-image-generic
[16:36] <ubot5> linux-image-generic (source: linux-meta): Generic Linux kernel image. In component main, is optional. Version 4.15.0.24.26 (bionic), package size 2 kB, installed size 14 kB
[16:48] <lotuspsychje> !info ibus-m17n bionic
[16:48] <ubot5> ibus-m17n (source: ibus-m17n): m17n engine for IBus. In component main, is optional. Version 1.3.4-5 (bionic), package size 25 kB, installed size 188 kB
[17:20] <lotuspsychje> welcome rush
[17:20] <rush> thanks lol
[17:21] <rush> i wil ask same question in here
[17:21] <rush> im on ubuntu 18
[17:21] <rush> how can this ubuntu be so fast?  i have a full instalation on USB only, yet it runs very well.  just impressive.  boots as fast as, or faster than linux puppy lol  go figure
[17:21] <rush> is that normal ir did i just get lucky somehow ?
[17:21] <lotuspsychje> how many ram do you have rush
[17:21] <rush> 8 gb
[17:21] <rush> i5
[17:21] <rush> lenovo x230
[17:21] <lotuspsychje> rush: ssd or mechanical hd?
[17:22] <rush> hdd.. but running ubuntu from a 64 gb micro sd card in a usb stick only!
[17:22] <leftyfb> why not run it natively?
[17:22] <rush> i was normally relying on windows
[17:22] <rush> but to be honest yes.. i think its an option now
[17:22] <lotuspsychje> rush: i5 and 8g goes a fast way
[17:23] <rush> i was hving problems using linux for all my needs on this laptop... but this new ubuntu seems to be doing a great job
[17:23] <lotuspsychje> rush: but as leftyfb suggest i would also go for physical install
[17:23] <rush> it literally seems as fast a a linux puppy usb
[17:23] <rush> well.. the usb is so fast , i hardly need one?
[17:23] <lotuspsychje> rush: usb bottlenecks your speed
[17:23] <rush> and igf i get stuck, i can use windows on the hdd here
[17:23] <rush> hmm
[17:23] <nacc> leftyfb: uh, what? loopback named eth0?
[17:24] <rush> i have a windows 7 usb,  thats much slower than ubuntu usb
[17:24] <rush> i do have a 'spare' ssd laying about
[17:24] <rush> i might consider ubuntu ssd instal lin this computer
[17:24] <lotuspsychje> rush: then i would suggest plugin your ssd and install ubuntu clean on it
[17:24] <rush> should run great
[17:24] <lotuspsychje> rush: sata speed will get you more then usb
[17:24] <rush> problem is.. it takes a while to configure lol... and i forget some of the tips i was given
[17:25] <rush> also, id like a dua lboot.. just in case i get stuck an dneed windows
[17:25] <rush> but windwos 10 seems very brutish with boot up menu thse days
[17:25] <rush> hard to dual boot with it
[17:25] <lotuspsychje> i dont like dualboots myself, but just my opinion
[17:26] <rush> if i was sure i wouldnt need windows.. id go for single boot
[17:26] <rush> maybe in a while when i feel mor econfident i'll go for it
[17:26] <lotuspsychje> rush: you could also try virtualbox with w10 afterwards
[17:26] <rush> ge tsoem goods use out of my ssd too
[17:26] <rush> hmm
[17:26] <rush> yuea.. this laptop is not for gaming. so vb would probably be enough
[17:27] <lotuspsychje> rush: you can then, run windows from the virtualbox
[17:27] <leftyfb> nacc: yeah, he was messing with renaming his interfaces with .network  system files .. did it wrong of course
[17:27] <nacc> leftyfb: yuck
[17:27] <leftyfb> yep
[17:27] <leftyfb> i've learned how to deal with the new naming, it's not difficult
[17:28] <rush> i actually cloned this usb ubuntu to my ssd with acronis on windows, and put it i nhere.. it does boot up.. but for some reason the boot up is really slow. fine once it gets going though
[17:28] <leftyfb> though I'm still not keen on netplan
[17:28] <nacc> and it's useful when you care about it
[17:28] <rush> reason i cloned is cos id hate to loose all my tweaks and setting ive put in here
[17:28] <leftyfb> rush: it's good practice to do it all from scratch again
[17:28] <rush> i suppose
[17:29] <lotuspsychje> rush: i usaully install ubuntu in 30min
[17:29] <rush> lol
[17:29] <rush> the tweak cna take me literally days or weeks
[17:29] <lotuspsychje> rush: sudo apt install rar vlc photoprint preload...etc
[17:29] <rush> as i have to seek help
[17:29] <blackflow> leftyfb: my only problem with it is interfaces changing name when you make a hardware change that's not related to networking, eg gpu pulled out or added in.
[17:30] <rush> apart from the learnign curve and trouble shooting.. im well impressed with ubuntu on this lenovo x230
[17:30] <rush> just a super combo
[17:30] <lotuspsychje> rush: glad you like it
[17:30] <lotuspsychje> rush: can you define fast boot?
[17:30] <rush> i like the aesthetic too
[17:30] <nacc> blackflow: that's presumably due to probing order changing?
[17:30] <rush> define how?
[17:30] <lotuspsychje> rush: time, seconds,minutes
[17:30] <rush> usb boot takes unde a minute i think
[17:31] <rush> hmm
[17:31] <rush> maybe 45 seconds
[17:31] <rush> 30,. perhaps
[17:31] <blackflow> nacc: possibly, there's an issue open on systemd's github
[17:31] <rush> fast for usb
[17:31] <lotuspsychje> rush: yeah, it will rcoket on the ssd then
[17:31] <nacc> blackflow: i know some backplane are really weird about it
[17:32] <leftyfb> blackflow: I've never experienced that
[17:32] <rush> i think these old gen lenovos are a steal..  over a thousand $ whe nthey came out.. but can get the 2012 - 13 models for maybe $150   with i5 and decent quality.  made for linux lol
[17:32] <blackflow> nacc: though it's not often one changes hardware. just something to keep in mind when you work remotely
[17:32] <nacc> blackflow: absolutely
[17:32] <leftyfb> mmmm BMC's
[17:32] <nacc> blackflow: also, the MAC shouldn't have changed
[17:33] <nacc> tbh, that change just proved how bad so many sysadmins were :)
[17:33] <leftyfb> "but I always assume eth0!"
[17:33] <nacc> heh
[17:33] <leftyfb> "it's hardcoded in all my things!"
[17:33] <blackflow> nacc: sure, some .link magick can help pin that down
[17:33] <rush> youve got me tempted.. i'll consider my option.. what i might 'miss' without win 10 on here, then i might get this on ssd
[17:33] <nacc> blackflow: yep, exactly
[17:34] <rush> just hope its easy to clone in case of failure
[17:34] <leftyfb> rush: dual boot until you realize you haven't booted into Windows in a year and then reclaim the space for Ubuntu
[17:35] <leftyfb> rush: make a backup of your files on Ubuntu. And keep a list of applications you've installed. Rebuilding from scratch it fairly easy from then
[17:35] <blackflow> ^^^
[17:35] <rush> i need windows for my main gaming laptop.  but apart from a fwe photo editing an dvideo softwares, i dont think i miss windows for muc helse.  though it does have masses of software choices
[17:35] <leftyfb> rush: over time you learn of all the stuff you "customized" which you never used and start to weed out of your build list
[17:36] <rush> yea, justa few programes not avialabe in software center wer etricky to install.  plus tweaking the desktop was a bit fdiddly too
[17:36] <rush> removing the top bar for example
[17:36] <rush> take up too much real estate
[17:36] <leftyfb> rush: which programs?
[17:36] <rush> and removing the title bar from the windows and browsers
[17:36] <rush> qtox secure mesenger for one
[17:37] <rush> i talked to the dev, i helped him fin a bug
[17:37] <leftyfb> ugh
[17:37] <rush> so hpopefully the next verions will be easiet to install
[17:37] <leftyfb> 2nd time in my life hearing someone wanting qtox
[17:37] <rush> well.  afew years back i trieed linux.. the skype bac kthe nwas soo bad. like 1990's software
[17:37] <rush> i hear dabout tox and tried it instead
[17:38] <leftyfb> rush: and yes, the dev forgot to mention installing autoconf
[17:38] <rush> now i have a few contacts on there so i need it installed
[17:38] <rush> dunno.. he said the install was bugged anyway
[17:38] <rush> but he gave me a few lines of code that sorted it out
[17:38] <rush> i just dumbly coppied and pasted
[17:38] <rush> that swhy i cant replicate it myself lol
[17:39] <rush> anyway.. all that said. it probly wouldnt take that long to get it all confirgured again... ssd instal ltempting
[17:40] <rush> anyway.. i wont hog your chat
[17:40] <rush> thanks for the tips
[17:46] <rush> am i connected ?
[17:47] <daftykins> yep
[17:47] <rush> cool lol
[17:47] <rush> its was becoming  a monologue
[17:47]  * daftykins has seen far worse
[17:47] <lotuspsychje> lol
[17:48] <rush> does ubuntu remain stable for long?
[17:48] <rush> i mean.. afte ra few months, its often a godo idea to reinstal lwindows
[17:48] <rush> how about linux ?
[17:49] <rush> sorry, bad typing... thse laptops have prety much the best keypboars u can get, but ther eis no hope for me
[17:50] <lotuspsychje> lts | rush
[17:51] <Tegu> I haven't felt the need to reinstall neither windows nor ubuntu after a few months
[17:52] <rush> its gets slow sometimes
[17:52] <daftykins> not been true about Windows since XP :)
[17:52] <Tegu> but yea, check LTS indeed and compare it to the life cycle of non-LTS releases
[17:52] <rush> or a tleast used to on windows.. maybe 10 is better though
[17:52] <rush> hmm
[17:52] <rush> whats lts?
[17:52] <daftykins> !lts
[17:52] <ubot5> LTS means Long Term Support. LTS versions are supported for 5 years on the desktop and server. The latest LTS version of Ubuntu is !Bionic (Bionic Beaver 18.04). Ubuntu !flavors may have different support durations, check their release notes for information.
[17:52] <rush> i see
[17:55] <rush> make or break tiem for england..  facing columbia any minute now
[17:57] <rush> by the way.. would you recommend using 'wine'  for running windows programs, not games.   or better to just is virtual box?
[17:57] <rush> photo editing peograms etc
[17:58] <oerheks_> never!
[17:58] <oerheks_> wine should die
[17:58] <oerheks_> :-D
[17:59] <daftykins> either commit fully or dualboot
[17:59] <rush> lol
[17:59] <blackflow> oerheks_: shush!
[17:59] <daftykins> buuuut dualboot is messy since you will always end up neglecting one OS over the other
[18:00] <blackflow> or! or! gpu passthrough qemu-kvm!   (virtualbox is a toy)
[18:00] <daftykins> i am the black sheep of the channel as i only run Linux servers :)
[18:00] <daftykins> meh, relies on VT-io and so forth :>
[18:01] <oerheks_> explore the beautifull linux programs like darktable, then you would drop wine forever
[18:02] <rush> sorrry.. football time .. bbl
[18:02] <lotuspsychje> lol
[18:02] <lotuspsychje> choose football over ubuntu now?
[18:18] <lotuspsychje> !hwe
[18:18] <ubot5> The Ubuntu LTS enablement stacks provide newer kernel and X support for existing LTS releases, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/LTSEnablementStack
[18:19] <daftykins> xD
[18:37] <lotuspsychje> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-manager/+bug/1779723
[18:37] <ubot5> Ubuntu bug 1779723 in update-manager (Ubuntu) "[Wishlist] Add a GUI option autoremove kernel cleanup on updates" [Wishlist,Incomplete]
[18:37] <lotuspsychje> seems like its a work in progress already
[19:41] <lotuspsychje> morning hggdh
[19:41] <hggdh> lotuspsychje: agood afternoon
[19:42] <lotuspsychje> hggdh: can you heat yourself a bit on your area :p
[21:03] <nacc> does this user just not understand networking? why are they using VMs at all
[21:07] <oerheks> yes, i wonder, existing vbox vm, and now changing with netplan
[21:08] <blackflow> oerheks: wants to switch from dhcp to static
[21:08] <oerheks> the host has set it already, or could
[21:10] <oerheks> it is always good to show the guide at the end
[21:11] <oerheks> :-D
[21:11] <oerheks> let us guess, sweat and think hard
[21:11] <blackflow> they showed it earlier and I already asked earlier if they used those numbers but didn't get the response :)
[21:12] <oerheks> oh, i missed that :-(
[23:43] <tomreyn> this wasnt the first tme, was it :) <zmugg> randolf, are you here man?
[23:47] <oerheks> iirc so yes