[06:00] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[06:06] <daftykins> hi hi \o
[06:13] <zmoylan-pi> p/
[06:13] <zmoylan-pi> o/
[06:14] <daftykins> that was my transformation on cutting my hair ;)
[06:15] <brobostigon> o/
[08:43] <zmoylan-pi> someone in irc in ireland spotted a cloud today... ...and there was much rejoicing... :-)
[09:30] <Gargoyle> fake news!! There are no clouds!
[09:38] <brobostigon> fake news (the PM is a zombie).
[09:56] <Gargoyle> I'm having great fun (aka: a nightmare) with emoji font config. Is there a solution to this or is it something that just doesn't work properly yet?
[09:57] <Gargoyle> Firefox seems to be using EmojiOne, even though it's not installed, with a number on this page only showing in B&W http://eosrei.github.io/emojione-color-font/full-demo.html
[09:59] <Gargoyle> Same page in chrome is using noto colour emoji - but the same ones are also black and white there. "Characters" app us showing noto and all appear to be available in colour and electron apps only want to show a small subset in B&W.
[10:13] <zmoylan-pi> emojii don't show up half the time on my systems... kinda like it that way tbh
[10:22] <Gargoyle> Weeee. Fixed it in both browsers!
[11:11] <layke_> startups
[11:24] <Gargoyle> Hmm not quite.
[11:25] <Gargoyle> Only works if you specify the font name. When it falls back from a non-emoji font, it's picking up black and white ones.
[12:48] <daftykins> wow one of my clients uses a card machine from worldpay to let customers pay (small business) recently they've been sent some big PCI DSS compliance thing demanding they run through it, until they do they're being charged £9.99/mo for being 'noncompliant'
[12:49] <daftykins> it asks questions like whether we have paperwork of the firewall status of every PC on the network - and whether we're blocking insecure protocols and so on xD
[12:50] <mgdm> PCI-DSS is fairly hard core, yeah
[12:50] <daftykins> isn't it a bit insane for a small business? xD
[12:50] <daftykins> i have never been involved with my clients card readers, but suddenly they asked me to poke my head in about this form today, seems mad stuff
[12:51] <daftykins> best part is worldpay's phone number on this letter + email doesn't work :D
[12:53] <daftykins> i can understand their mumbo jumbo about devices connected to the same LAN as the card reader, but they go on about cardholder data - it's all going straight online to them xD
[12:56] <daftykins> can't really say this stuff seems apt for such a small place, but then we are in the depths of everyone in panic and covering their asses, aren't we?
[13:19] <diddledan> I thought the whole point of worldpay is that they handle the PCI compliance
[13:19] <diddledan> similar to paypal, I thought
[13:21] <diddledan> oh, it's specifically because they have the terminal
[13:37] <diddledan> I hope nobody got injured in this mine flooding: https://twitter.com/mikko/status/1013791356089765889
[13:40] <zmoylan-pi> i did once get handed a pc that was in a shop that flooded to try and retrieve the data... i'm not sure what you are supposed to do when the whole pc has turned to rust...
[13:42] <daftykins> diddledan: did you find something relevant online to point out the terminal possession bit, or just from pondering the situation?
[13:42] <daftykins> zmoylan-pi: well they have taken to calling it spinning rust now ;)
[13:43] <diddledan> I was looking over paypal's docs and they have the same requirement if you posess their own terminal
[13:43] <daftykins> oic
[13:43] <zmoylan-pi> what was funny was that when the shop called to report the river rising due to rains the owner drove their in his brand new super expensive cost as much as a house less than a 100miles on the clock jag...
[13:43] <daftykins> this phone # worldpay gives just gives a solid tone of fail - 0330 808 0663
[13:44] <diddledan> https://www.worldpay.com/uk/sme/saferpayments might help
[13:44] <zmoylan-pi> which ended up under water as they evacuated the shop and was written off
[13:44] <daftykins> zmoylan-pi: and parked downstream? :D
[13:45] <zmoylan-pi> pretty much... they didn't think to wonder that as the water raised inside the shop that perhaps the car park outside might have water rising too
[13:45] <diddledan> daftykins: that's probably because you're a foreigner that the 0330 number fails :-p
[13:45] <daftykins> well we're still +44 :<
[13:46] <diddledan> no idea. it's prominently shown on their site, too, so you'da thunked it would work
[13:47] <daftykins> live chat were ace earlier "we've had no problems"
[13:49] <daftykins> getting my telco to test
[13:49] <daftykins> she'll get the big cup and string out
[13:51] <daftykins> there we go, ticket logged
[14:22] <daftykins> welp sounds like they need to segregate the card machine from the rest of the office at a minimum
[14:22] <daftykins> must admit the first time i saw the thing show up i felt it odd that it was there in the router with the rest of the gear :D
[14:23] <lopta> Credit card reader?  Aren't those supposed to be on a separate VLAN at least?
[14:24] <daftykins> well that's what i'd expect, yet when they got one they never spoke to me, i just saw it there one day plugged into the router
[14:25] <daftykins> gonna make a call or two to see if i can track down who put it in, but imo it's totally wrong
[14:26]  * lopta nods
[14:29]  * zmoylan-pi wonders if you set up a rasp pi with malware, installed it in a trojan horse shaped enclosure and left it in amazon package at companies door would it be plugged in and connected to the network.... :-)
[14:31] <daftykins> probably!
[14:32] <diddledan> make the ethernet socket be in the bum of the horse so you're literally plugging it in via it's ass :-p
[14:32] <daftykins> pinning the tail! :O
[14:33] <zmoylan-pi> no no, i'd have a cluster of leds there to show the pi is working so you'd always be looking at a horses ass :-)
[14:33] <daftykins> is that what us IT folk should be doing at parties, pin the Cat# on the trojan horse?
[14:35] <zmoylan-pi> you're going to the wrong parties. proper ones have sysadmins using a cat5 o' nine tails on their worst lusers :-)
[14:36] <daftykins> xD
[14:38] <zmoylan-pi> what don't you do with binaries from people you don't know that are sent in email?  *wuhPSSSH*
[14:42] <diddledan> don't do what donny don't does
[14:42] <zmoylan-pi> or you'll get another lick of the cat...
[14:42] <diddledan> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pbwxlyUunL8
[15:20] <daftykins> yep telco had blocked it due to spam from a nearby number, what a nice move
[15:20] <daftykins> gotta say they're speedy on support over here, bet you don't get that with BT :D
[15:23] <diddledan> nope, it'ld be down for weeks :-p
[15:25] <daftykins> LG have arranged a DPD pickup for my faulty phone \o/
[15:25] <daftykins> but we don't really have DPD _o_
[15:37] <diddledan> so.. how is it gonna get picked up?
[15:38] <daftykins> that's the trouble!
[15:38] <daftykins> also you don't really want some fella in a hi-vis asking you to hand over your phone xD
[15:38] <daftykins> "ye mate i'll make sure it gets where it's gotta go, hur hur"
[15:39] <daftykins> i've read stories that LG sends back devices which are modified so that you can't at some point decide to unlock the bootloader and put alternative ROMs on
[15:39] <daftykins> i never did with mine as i prefer stock - plus it's supported until ~November on patches at least, but meh
[15:40] <daftykins> oh and said modification stops DRM'd content working
[17:22] <diddledan> https://twitter.com/BBCParliament/status/1014136145989513218
[18:47] <zmoylan-pi> surely you can't be siri-ous?
[18:49] <daftykins> what a rum state of affairs
[18:52] <zmoylan-pi> and any poor sods with a samsung 8 or 9 might want to check out how to stop their phone sending all pics in their gallery to random contacts
[18:52] <daftykins> since i booked my travels across the pond, the upcoming Note 9 will probably be the next fire hazard to entertain on flights
[18:54] <zmoylan-pi> daftykins: a man to be taken seriously... he carriers a samsung .... with the dots and everything!
[18:55] <daftykins> oh no i don't own one, i won't buy Samsung :) just last time was during the Note 7 debacle so i got very used to having to say no, i didn't own one or have it on me