[00:00] <emostar> Hi all... just came back to Ubuntu after using Macs for so long. I am using Guake to popup a terminal quickly, and my shortcut key is set to Super+J, but when I push it, I have to push J twice. The first J bleeds through to whatever text entry is open on the desktop... any idea where to look into this?
[00:03] <nacc> emostar: that seems like possibly a bug in your keyboard, i would look at what `xev` sees from the keypresses
[00:03] <nacc> emostar: does that also happen if you press super, first, then press j?
[00:04] <qwebirc63269> I'm having an issue with the ubuntu budgie DE, but the IRC for that seems to be dead at the moment
[00:04] <qwebirc63269> When I launch a new program it seems to start minimized / under my programs
[00:04] <emostar> nacc: i hold down super and have to press j twice. fwiw, it occurs with an external bluetooth keyboard and the laptop's keyboard.
[00:04] <emostar> nacc: i am seeing a FocusOut when i press super, perhaps that is causing it... just super is set to show Activities or something.
[00:04] <qwebirc63269> It mainly happens for google chrome, and discord. Other programs don't seem to have that issue
[00:06] <nacc> emostar: how did you setup the shortcut?
[00:07] <nacc> emostar: and what version of ubuntu?
[00:07] <nacc> emostar: i just tried adding one in the settings -> keyboard -> shortcut and it worked fine
[00:07] <nacc> (for super + j)
[00:07] <nacc> agreed, that without one set there, i see the bheavior you do
[00:09] <qwebirc63269> can someone help me?
[00:16] <emostar> nacc: the shortcut is set in the Guake settings, other shortcut keys work properly though. I'm running 18.04
[00:18] <ntd> has there been any word on what ubuntus intention is, vis-a-vis VLC/libvlc in xenial?
[00:18] <ntd> vlc2 won't get patched, debian upgraded stable/oldstable to vlc3
[00:19] <emostar> nacc: anything with a super+ causes the bug it seems. changing it to ctrl+j makes it work as expected. i am guessing the super key causing a Focus Out is the root cause.
[00:21] <oerheks> ntd install the snap version ? 3.03-1-3
[00:22] <emostar> nacc: confirmed. using tweaks, under 'keyboard & mouse', chanigng 'overview shortcut' from 'left super' to 'right super' fixes the issue for me. so the problem is with Guake, since other super+ shortcuts work as expected outside of Guake.
[00:22] <ntd> snap? really?
[00:23] <ntd> snap itself=good. the app store and contant phoning home=bad
[00:23] <hangar18> hey guys. is the hydrogen drum machine program still being supported for ubuntu? i just tried to go to the website for it and the site's down
[00:23] <ntd> constant
[00:23] <oerheks> meh, fud, it checks once a day for update.
[00:25] <ntd> not very linux-y
[00:26] <ntd> the way they (canon...) did snap and rpi: does not bode well IMO
[00:26] <nacc> emostar: ack, agreed
[00:27] <oerheks> your opinion is valuable, but not for this channel
[00:27] <bazhang> ntd ubuntu support issue? lets take the chatter elsewhere please
[00:28] <nacc> vlc is in universe as well, i assume this is about the security issues?
[00:28] <ntd> i'm asking: is their plan to let xenial users holding the bag? it's not like VLC is "niche" sw
[00:29] <nacc> ntd: do you understand how universe works?
[00:29] <emostar> nacc: thanks for the `xev` pointer :)
[00:29] <nacc> emostar: yw
[00:30] <ntd> yeah, hence me "asking", not "flaming"
[00:30] <nacc> ntd: this is not a policy channel, this is a support channel
[00:30] <nacc> ntd: that is, your question is meant for the ubuntu security team, afaict
[00:30] <emostar> nacc: i got the guake code and building it now... it uses Gtk and Python, so probably the real root cause is in one of those (or the Gtk python binding)
[00:31] <nacc> emostar: could be :)
[00:31] <nacc> ntd: perhaps #ubuntu-hardened
[00:31] <oerheks> one could file a sru, but not sure how this works for universe
[00:34] <nacc> oerheks: the sru process is unrelated to the componnent
[00:34] <nacc> oerheks: the component only refers to who provides security support really
[00:37] <Gringonar> ok i can add boot paremeters now
[00:39] <Gringonar> nomodeset says ut cantWhere do i add nomodeset?
[00:40] <Gringonar> Where do i add nomodeset?
[00:40] <Gringonar> isit to the linux line or a new one?
[00:44] <emostar> nacc: and the docs have a manual keybinding section... guess it's a common enough bug that there is a workaround for it. all is good now lol
[00:45] <Gringonar> I'm unsure if i add the nomodeset properly or not but it just gives me a black screen
[00:46] <Gringonar> when trying to boot
[00:46] <sonicwind> Gringonar, it goes on the linux line
[00:46] <sonicwind> end of the line, usually before quiet splash
[00:47] <Gringonar> it says "quiet splash ---"do i add it after the --- or does it signify the end of the parameter list?
[00:47] <Gringonar> oh ok
[00:47] <sonicwind> put it before the quiet splash as far as I know
[00:48] <Gringonar> ok now it freezes in the grub menu :(
[00:59] <speedy01> created media...no joy
[00:59] <speedy01> guess ubuntu just doesn't like my hardware
[01:00] <rangemonger> did you google ubuntu and your device? maybe others have similar experiences/workarrounds?
[01:00] <tater> anyone know what would be generating a bunch of random certs in /etc/ssl/certs?
[01:01] <tater> all with the extension .0
[01:03] <speedy01> recap...can't get ubuntu to get past grub menu.  goes to blank screen.  I've tried creating media from different workstation, different usb, difference creation tools.  tried editing grub option to no splash debug --verbose with no change
[01:03] <leftyfb> tater: that is normal
[01:04] <speedy01> also tried setting gfxpayload=text
[01:04] <speedy01> tried nomodeset
[01:04] <rangemonger> what device was it again?
[01:04] <speedy01> still nothing. .would like to note that fedora boots and installs fine
[01:04] <speedy01> rangemonger: Lenovo yoga 720
[01:05] <speedy01> 7th gen intel with integrated gnu....kaby lake I believe
[01:07] <rangemonger> speedy01: can you tell me whats in the uefi folder on your fedora iso?
[01:08] <Gringonar> i have the samme issue as speedy but different hardware
[01:08] <Gringonar> very odd
[01:10] <rangemonger> im looking into the yoga 720, it def not only you
[01:10] <speedy01> rangemonger: sure..give me a sec
[01:11] <speedy01> err..iso is on my work computer
[01:11] <speedy01> I can d/l it again if needed
[01:13] <sonicwind> Gringonar, not sure but this thread might help - https://askubuntu.com/questions/162075/my-computer-boots-to-a-black-screen-what-options-do-i-have-to-fix-it
[01:14] <speedy01> rangemonger: on the laptop, I can tell you whats in the /boot folder if that helps
[01:15] <rangemonger> sorry bout that
[01:16] <Gringonar> sonicwind thank you, i already read it apperently i'm suposed to get a purple grub screen but mine is black
[01:17] <Gringonar> I can't get to the ubuntu installer
[01:17] <Gringonar> or the live options
[01:18] <Gringonar> i can only add boot parameters which are quite alien to me lol
[01:18] <Gringonar> i tried nomodeset and modprobe.blacklist=nouveau
[01:19] <Gringonar> all give a blackscreen
[01:21] <tater> leftyfb: how is that normal
[01:24] <speedy01> I'm going with hardware being the issue..
[01:25] <rangemonger> do a hw test
[01:25] <rangemonger> on windows
[01:25] <rangemonger> with burn in test or something
[01:27] <speedy01> bin running windows on the machine for a while..really don't think its hardware per se, likely the ubuntu media is missing something
[01:28] <rangemonger> likely
[01:29] <rangemonger> i wouldnt peg fedora as much harder to use that ubuntu, per se
[01:29] <rangemonger> only that deb/apt is a bit easier a package manager to work with than rpm
[01:29] <rangemonger> so if you can find another debian based distro maybe
[01:30] <speedy01> yeah...just hoping to try ubuntu...seems like there is more packages/software available for it
[01:32] <rangemonger> is your hdd controller set to ahci mode?
[01:32] <speedy01> yes
[01:34] <rangemonger> https://forums.lenovo.com/t5/Linux-Discussion/Install-linux-in-Lenovo-Yoga-720/td-p/3633251/page/3
[01:34] <rangemonger> the 2nd post on that page
[01:35] <Biessie> How can i delete a partition (Windows 10) and make that partition part of my linux partition? is it possible without reinstalling?
[01:36] <speedy01> yep...I saw that as well
[01:36] <speedy01> but no joy
[01:37] <rangemonger> yeah, it seems like a tough go at best
[01:37] <rangemonger> Biessie: run gparted, delete win10 partition (if thats what you really wanna do) and then resize the linux one to the space available
[01:38] <Biessie> rangemonger : Thanks!
[01:38] <rangemonger> no prob
[01:38] <speedy01> this will likely be my last lenovo
[01:38] <speedy01> lol
[01:39] <rangemonger> i dunno man, i have an asus tab and linux runs spotty on that too
[01:39] <rangemonger> its nice on a pc but on something portable, its really hit and miss
[01:40] <Biessie> my asus UL50VT (pretty old) sucks running anything
[01:40] <speedy01> it seems like pc manufacture are locking down consumer PC more and more every release
[01:40] <Biessie> not a fan of asus though
[01:40] <speedy01> the bios options on this thing is so limited...
[01:41] <rangemonger> every portable uefi machine ive seen has almost no bios options
[01:41] <speedy01> microsoft I think is over inflating win 10 numbers by forcing it on people
[01:42] <speedy01> new 8th gen intel, MS is blocking windows 7 installs on
[01:42] <rangemonger> its what they do
[01:43] <speedy01> read somewhere that some manufactures have to make linux install difficult on machines certified as "microsoft signature editions" devices..
[01:43] <speedy01> which is suppose to mean no bloat...but I guess it also means no linux! lol
[01:44] <speedy01> and I think the 720 I have is a "ms signature edition".  should have bought a Mac.....as least with that, I know what I would have been getting into....
[01:44] <rangemonger> might have read something like that too
[01:44] <speedy01> <rant over>
[01:44] <rangemonger> substituting one bad thing with another :P
[01:44] <speedy01> regardless...thanks for trying to help me out!
[01:44] <rangemonger> sorry it didnt work out for you
[01:45] <speedy01> no worries...have fedora on it...its a starting point!
[01:47] <rangemonger> and a decent one at that
[01:48] <Bashing-om> speedy01: Any help: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1734147 here ?
[01:48] <rangemonger> Bashing-om: that was actually a bug in linux that killed bioses
[01:50] <Bashing-om> rangemonger: I just see the finger pointed at many Lenovo systems .
[01:50] <rangemonger> yeah it happened to them but i think it killed them
[01:51] <rangemonger> speedy01s system isnt nuked
[01:54] <speedy01> not nuked yet any way!
[01:54] <rangemonger> hopefully never
[02:08] <Biessie> rangemonger : Its not allowing me to add to the partition.. is it because im mounted? even the SWAP partition i want to make a little bigger.
[02:08] <Biessie> rangemonger : Do i have to do it another way? im mounted because im on the OS obviously
[02:09] <rangemonger> rightclick on the partitions and unmount/swapoff
[02:10] <Biessie> not allowing me.
[02:11] <rangemonger> can you boot off a live usb stick?
[02:11] <rangemonger> then it should let you
[02:11] <Biessie> ill see about getting one made
[02:11] <Biessie> thanks. thats what i was expecting to hear
[02:15] <rangemonger> np
[02:17] <MK> Hey guys I need some help: my Ubuntu froze on the lock screen screensaver, but I can ctrl-alt-f1 to the other terminal. What would be the best way to recover from that? Just kill Xorg?
[02:20] <rangemonger> and then startx if need be
[02:21] <MK> alright, thanks
[02:21] <nacc> MK: is it 18.04?
[02:21] <MK> 16.04
[02:21] <AAA_awright> My on-screen keyboard appears when I don't need it to, usually touching the screen. I don't have it turned on in the settings. How do I permanently disable the on-screen keyboard from appearing?
[02:21] <nacc> MK: ok, then perhaps what rangemonger said
[02:21] <MK> Yup, it worked, thanks guys
[02:22] <rangemonger> nacc: would it be different on 18.04?
[02:22] <rangemonger> they did go back to xorg
[02:22] <nacc> rangemonger: yes, in that f1 is not a tty anymore
[02:22] <rangemonger> oh, i havent even noticed that yet
[02:23] <nacc> iirc, f1 will take you to the greeter
[02:26] <Biessie> rangemonger : Can i use ubuntu 18.04 desktop install cd as a live cd to repartition?
[02:26] <rangemonger> Biessie: yes
[02:26] <Biessie> great news. will do that now
[02:26] <rangemonger> o wait, install cd? whats the iso name?
[02:26] <rangemonger> as long as its one that goes to the desktop when it boots
[02:27] <Biessie> i dont know the iso name off hand im not on the desktop that i burned the image on
[02:27] <Biessie> the 18.04 LTS iso
[02:29] <rangemonger> when you boot it does it go to the desktop?
[02:29] <rangemonger> or offer atleast ask if you want to go to it
[02:29] <rangemonger> *or atleast
[02:51] <dinozi> hello
[02:52] <rangemonger> whats up
[02:53] <dinozi> which is the best for upgrading 16.04.3 to 16.04.4 ? apt v apt-get v aptitude .. dist-upgrade vs full upgrade ?
[02:54] <oerheks> dist-upgrade full-upgrade .. both work
[02:55] <dinozi> oerheks: whatabout the prefix?
[02:55] <dinozi> apt v apt get vs aptitude
[02:56] <oerheks> official it is apt now, still apt-get still works
[02:57] <dinozi> apt-get wont break the system even if still works?
[02:57] <oerheks> and aptitude is optional, not standard. but also good.
[02:57] <oerheks> does it break?
[02:57] <dinozi> been using apt-get and apt in mix fashion lately .trying who will complete the task better. :(
[02:58] <rangemonger> apt because its less to type
[02:58] <rangemonger> its almos the same thing
[02:58] <dinozi> i read depending on the apt version it will only do certain task.. so how will i know the apt version?
[02:59] <rangemonger> the non commandline type guy in me says open synaptic and look at the ver there :P
[02:59] <dinozi> feels like ive been doing it wrong right from the start.
[02:59] <oerheks> unlikely, apt and aptitude difference are long gone
[02:59] <dinozi> rangemonger:  also trying to install synaptic, & it wont let me.shucks
[03:00] <rangemonger> sudo apt install update, then sudo apt install synaptic
[03:00] <rangemonger> update is important
[03:00] <rangemonger> not to be confused with upgrade
[03:01] <dinozi> are they always partners? like you need to do update before an installation?
[03:01] <rangemonger> update updates what packages are available
[03:02] <rangemonger> so say thinger version 2 came out last week and thinger version 3 came out today but you never typed update, if you apt install thinger, it will get 2
[03:02] <dinozi> im trying to make a script that only does a 1 time update then install all ppa and applications but it appears its not responsive.
[03:02] <rangemonger> this is troublesome when some packages are expecting one version of something and only see another because it wasnt updated
[03:02] <lotuspsychje> dinozi: we dont support external ppa's here
[03:03] <lotuspsychje> rangemonger: sudo apt install update? what are you talking about?
[03:04] <rangemonger> no, sudo apt update, then sudo apt install
[03:04] <rangemonger> sorry, i typed it wrong
[03:05] <rangemonger> my brain crossed wires or something
[03:06] <dinozi> whats the next best thing to ppa-s? if i would avoid ppa's
[03:06] <lotuspsychje> dinozi: installing packages from the official ubuntu repos
[03:06] <rangemonger> i love PPAs
[03:07] <dinozi> got a link on the ubuntu repos?
[03:07] <rangemonger> if ubuntu is so against them why did they create them?
[03:07] <lotuspsychje> rangemonger: please keep that for offtopic chat
[03:07] <lotuspsychje> dinozi: you can search packages on your system with: apt-cache search keyword
[03:08] <oerheks> no, we provide the platform, but the owner is the one for support
[03:08] <dinozi> yep.thats the command im trying to google since.but not succesful
[03:09] <dinozi> Package 'synaptic' has no installation candidate :(
[03:09] <lotuspsychje> dinozi: what are you trying to do exactly?
[03:10] <dinozi> install app and update to 16.04.4
[03:10] <dinozi> *upgrade
[03:10] <rangemonger> that doesnt seem right, i install synatpic after every install :S
[03:10] <oerheks> unbelievable
[03:10] <lotuspsychje> dinozi: wich app?
[03:11] <dinozi> its a fresh install.theres a lot of apps i like to install starting with synaptic
[03:11] <lotuspsychje> dinozi: why do you need synpatic, you can install packages from terminal or software center?
[03:11] <dinozi> soft ctr is not responsive
[03:12] <rangemonger> maybe they dont like typing commands all the time
[03:12] <rangemonger> and software center always bugs out
[03:12] <dinozi> lotuspsychje:  terminal is uncooperative.
[03:13] <lotuspsychje> dinozi: if software center does not response, perhaps you choose a too heavy ubuntu version for your hardware?
[03:13] <rangemonger> so if you "sudo apt install synaptic" it gives you that error you just mentioned?
[03:13] <dinozi> E: Package 'synaptic' has no installation candidate
[03:14] <rangemonger> no, software center craps out on my 16gig ram+ i5
[03:14] <rangemonger> its not us, its sw center
[03:14] <Biessie> does apt install and apt-get install work the same?
[03:14] <lotuspsychje> rangemonger: please don't generalize statements in #ubuntu like that
[03:14] <dinozi> lotuspsychje:  12gb ram xenial 16.04.3
[03:14] <rangemonger> im sorry if i hurt ubuntus feelings but clearly it needs a little assistance with its software center
[03:15] <lotuspsychje> rangemonger: software center working like a charm on 2 gig ram here
[03:15] <lotuspsychje> rangemonger: you can only speak of your own system..
[03:15] <rangemonger> so its not our systems specs atleast
[03:15] <dinozi> lotuspsychje:  what version ur using?
[03:15] <rangemonger> mine and the people i administer
[03:17] <dinozi> 16.04.1 was a breeze to install.i dunno whats happening lately
[03:17] <lotuspsychje> dinozi: first of all, before installing software, keep your system up to date with: update-manager or from terminal: sudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade
[03:17] <dinozi> thats the 1st thing i always do
[03:18] <lotuspsychje> dinozi: that doesnt make sense, as ubuntu 16.04.4 is out and you say your on .3
[03:18] <dinozi> the live usb was on .3
[03:18] <rangemonger> either way that cant be it, synatpic was available on either one
[03:19] <lotuspsychje> dinozi: when did you download your .iso?
[03:19] <dinozi> lotuspsychje: less than a month old
[03:20] <rangemonger> how about downloading the synatpic deb from ubuntus servers and installing it via gdebi?
[03:21] <dinozi> rangemonger:  let me check on that
[03:21] <lotuspsychje> dinozi: .3 is out from august 2017...
[03:21] <rangemonger> maybe the mirror you have ubuntu set ot dl from is down at the moment?
[03:23] <dinozi> lotuspsychje: maybe im wrong w/ the dl date.. is it possible to show nautilus a column for creation date?
[03:24] <lotuspsychje> dinozi: how about you focus on updating your system first...before you do other things?
[03:26] <lotuspsychje> dinozi: if you trying installing packages on a non-updated system, you getting older packages that could be outdated, or with security holes
[03:26] <dinozi> lotuspsychje:  yeah.im stuck on the update part.cant do anything else even if i want to
[03:26] <lotuspsychje> dinozi: open a terminal and type: sudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade and hastebin us the results please
[03:27] <oerheks> heh, on a live usb ?
[03:27] <lotuspsychje> oerheks: he's on live?
[03:28] <dinozi> lotuspsychje:  https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/wPVpHHJbYH/
[03:29] <dinozi> im on full install.dont want to nuke it again
[03:30] <lotuspsychje> dinozi: how did you get those http://mirror.pregi.net in your sources?
[03:31] <dinozi> by changing to the fastest server ?
[03:31] <Bashing-om> dinozi: ' sudo apt-key adv --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com --recv-keys 40976EAF437D05B5 ' to fix the key issue .
[03:32] <lotuspsychje> dinozi: try changing that to another server, some of your preggi 404
[03:32] <dinozi> lotuspsychje: they are not supposed that way?
[03:32] <dinozi> ayt.ill change (again) is there a max of times in changing servers?
[03:33] <dinozi> Bashing-om:  should i do that now or change servers?
[03:33] <lotuspsychje> dinozi: try what Bashing-om just pasted
[03:33] <Bashing-om> dinozi: either way .. will lead to the same end :)
[03:34] <dinozi> Bashing-om: deep :D
[03:36] <dinozi> where is this applicable for every badsig issue? -- > sudo apt-key adv --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com --recv-keys 40976EAF437D05B5
[03:37] <Bashing-om> dinozi: " The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG 40976EAF437D05B5 " from your paste .
[03:37] <dinozi> ongoing sudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade .. pls bear with me
[03:42] <Biessie> rangemonger : Partitions are setup like i needed and extended my swap. thanks again
[03:43] <rangemonger> Biessie: oh nice, good stuff, glad it worked out
[03:43] <dinozi> lotuspsychje:  is this the site ? https://packages.ubuntu.com/xenial/   the ppa killer site? :)
[03:43] <Biessie> windows had 3 partitions taking up over 60% of my hdd. i deleted it all and extended my linux partition to take it all up
[03:44] <Biessie> increased my swap from 975 megs to 4gb
[03:44] <lotuspsychje> !sources | dinozi
[03:47] <rangemonger> cool, yeah it takes up a lot
[03:49] <dinozi> sometimes,after i change servers,it will update a long list,then it will b interrupted saying check your internet connection (even if internet is still connected) question how can i resume just those who are partially & not yet downloaded?
[03:52] <Biessie> HTOP - xorg is using up 20-50% of my cpu consistently .. is that nomral or my cpu is just crap? lol
[03:52] <Biessie> normal*
[03:52] <lotuspsychje> Biessie: on wich ubuntu version?
[03:53] <Biessie> lotuspsychje : 18.04 LTS Desktop
[03:53] <dinozi> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/rpVD4Zmjk2/
[03:54] <Biessie> i truly do not need xorg to run though.. it's rare ill use it once i have it all setup how i want it. should i just disable it on bootup ? if so, how so i go about doing that? lol
[03:54] <Biessie> i can always manually load it up as needed
[03:55] <Biessie> https://www.asus.com/Laptops/UL50Vt/specifications/ is my old POS laptop its r unning on
[03:55] <lotuspsychje> Biessie: gnome is known bottleneck overall, but its being worked on
[03:55] <Biessie> should i use a different GUI? KDE or something you recommend?
[03:56] <rangemonger> imo kde is tops
[03:56] <rangemonger> or xfce
[03:56] <rangemonger> 2 best ones but thats me
[03:56] <Biessie> how do i load that by default?
[03:56] <Biessie> vs gnome?
[03:56] <lotuspsychje> Biessie: at the end of the month 18.04.1 comes out, perhaps await this release point?
[03:57] <Biessie> lotuspsychje : Sure!
[03:57] <Biessie> wont hurt, right
[03:57] <lotuspsychje> Biessie: alot of bugs get solved on every release point, worth the test :p
[03:58] <Biessie> so i just do sudo apt update / upgrade commands and it will take care of it?
[03:59] <Biessie> or its a little more than that? sorry for noob questions
[03:59] <Bashing-om> dinozi: corrupted control files ? try ' sudo apt clean ; cd /var/lib/apt ; sudo mv lists lists.old ; sudo mkdir -p lists/partial ; sudo apt clean ; sudo apt update ; sudo apt full-upgrade ' .
[04:00] <Biessie> rangemonger : Yea i've ran XFCE before. cant remember if i liked it though lol. was on 16.04
[04:00] <Biessie> its been a while.
[04:01] <lotuspsychje> Biessie: just updating your system will result to new release points too, yes
[04:01] <Biessie> lotuspsychje : Perfect. i run the update/upgrade commands on the daily! :)
[04:01] <lotuspsychje> Biessie: thats the spirit!
[04:02] <dinozi> Bashing-om: im sorry ,but the --->   cd /var/lib/apt     what is the complete command for it?
[04:03] <Bashing-om> dinozi: that is the comp[lete command where you are changing the working directory to that target, sych that long paths for the following commands are not needed .
[04:03] <rangemonger> kde = mad features and customization, xfce =  pretty lite and overall sane, gnome = tablety and composited if thats your bag, mate/gnome2 = kind of like xfce but more customizable, cinnamon = based on gnome3 but more traditional
[04:03] <Bashing-om> such*
[04:04] <dinozi> i mean,just execute 1x1 ?
[04:04] <dinozi> sudo apt clean
[04:04] <dinozi> cd /var/lib/apt
[04:04] <dinozi> sudo mv lists lists.old
[04:04] <dinozi> sudo mkdir -p lists/partial
[04:04] <dinozi> sudo apt clean
[04:04] <Bashing-om> dinozi: Ues, one command at the time :)
[04:05] <Biessie> rangemonger - thanks for that.
[04:05] <Biessie> rangemonger - I found this https://www.lifewire.com/best-linux-desktop-environments-4120912 pretty nice comparisons
[04:07] <rangemonger> np
[04:07] <rangemonger> i love kde because it can be pretty much any other one
[04:08] <dinozi> ongoing
[04:08] <GHF-> Hi, I was trying to add failover IP to my server, and it seems I have done something wrong, now even my primary address is not working
[04:13] <dinozi> is it possible to change bionic's desktop into xenial without complications?
[04:14] <Bashing-om> dinozi: No, too much has changed . But you can add any desktop that you like ,, what desktop did you have in 16.04 ?
[04:15] <Toadisattva> wasn't uniity the default in xenial?
[04:15] <dinozi> xenial
[04:15] <Toadisattva> gnome is better anyway :P
[04:15] <dinozi> unity
[04:16] <flyingtoaster> Ubuntu gnome is now pointless
[04:16] <Bashing-om> Toadisattva: True if was a (u)buntu default install .
[04:16] <Randolf> Are there any plans to update openjfx to work with default-jre in Ubuntu Linux 18.04 LTS?  It seems that OpenJFX was forgotten, and so we're stuck having to use Java 8 instead of Java 11.
[04:17] <Toadisattva> I'm an lxde and xfce type guy myself, but that's just what floats my boat
[04:17] <dinozi> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/KmjmJGTPtC/
[04:17] <Bashing-om> !info unity | di
[04:20] <GHF-> this is my ifconfig: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/vz6bFPmdwJ/
[04:20] <Bashing-om> dinozi:  Try again ' sudo apt-key adv --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com --recv-keys 40976EAF437D05B5 ' .
[04:21] <dinozi> copy
[04:21] <lotuspsychje> !latest | Randolf
[04:24] <dinozi> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/XYmyRnyBSR/
[04:27] <Bashing-om> dinozi: See: http://askubuntu.com/questions/41605/trouble-downloading-packages-list-due-to-a-hash-sum-mismatch-error . Maybe change your mirror and try again .
[04:28] <dinozi> ok.tnx for your time everyone
[04:38] <GHF-> I would appreciate any help regarding my interfaces issue
[04:40] <shachaf> Is it possible to install Ubuntu without a /boot partition (booting from the EFI system partition) with encrypted root?
[04:41] <shachaf> Certainly the installer doesn't support it, but is it even achievable?
[04:58] <subham> hey
[04:58] <sjvxid55> hello
[05:04] <subham> anyone
[05:04] <subham> ?
[05:06] <rangemonger> bueller?
[05:09] <subham> what rangemonger?
[05:09] <rangemonger> nothing, bad joke
[05:10] <subham> so where r u from rangemonger?
[05:10] <subham> ?
[05:10] <rangemonger> ontario, canada you?
[05:11] <subham> west bengal,INDIA
[05:11] <subham> BTW MYSELF PRATIK
[05:11] <rangemonger> cool
[05:12] <lotuspsychje> !ops | subham known troll
[05:12] <subham> are u a boy?
[05:13] <subham> rangemonger?
[05:13] <tonyyarusso> This is a support channel - please limit your conversations to on-topic use.
[05:13] <GHF-> !help
[05:13] <davidfg4_> /!\ ATTN: For any questions PM ajvpot he is the Official support contact /!\
[05:27] <uxbal> hey there ubuntu folks. I'm looking for a good home office distro to get the job done. I'm done with tinkering with rolling releases as i don't have time for that. i was torn between ubuntu and opensuse leap, as they seem the most 'enterprisish', but am a bit wary of ubuntu moving out of 'consumer' space. what does that mean for ubuntu desktop?
[05:28] <GHF-> !emergency
[05:28] <rangemonger> there doesnt seem to be any threat to ubuntu desktop as far as i can tell
[05:29] <rangemonger> suse is pretty solid too though
[05:29] <rangemonger> i dont think you can go wrong either way
[05:29] <rangemonger> btw, suse just got bought out by some other co
[05:33] <shachaf> Even *with* a separate /boot, it seems like disk encryption and dual boot are just not supported?
[05:33] <shachaf> Are people who don't want to erase their entire disk supposed to install unencrypted, or what?
[05:35] <kuberon> Hello
[05:36] <kuberon> I am investigating problems with my Sata controller and disks, have Win10 and Ubuntu on separate SSDs, got hard BSODs on Win10 a few mins after boot
[05:36] <uxbal> rangermonger: yeah, i like opensuse, but the yearly reinstall of point releases is somewhat offputting
[05:36] <kuberon> now with Ubuntu I sometimes get very long login times, how do I check if any errors happened ?
[05:37] <kuberon> When logging in there is purple background displayed for like 30 minutes before login screen reappears
[05:43] <guiverc> kuberon: systemd has a blame option; but I usually look in journalctl, dmesg for issues (this is general only) - i remove 'quiet splash' [grub] so more appear on screen & compare with normal..  i'd check smartctl, temp (hardware inc. disk) too if I didn't know
[06:13] <Anthaas> Set up a new computer yesterday - fresh install, 18.04. As soon as it is has installed and restarted, I try to log in for the first time, and the screen goes black, and then takes me back to the log in screen. The mouse and keyboard are very slow/laggy too if they are even responsive.
[06:46] <HaMsTeRs> Sup ppl
[06:47] <HaMsTeRs> just got my ubuntu installed, i'm very Happy with it
[06:47] <HaMsTeRs> it seems can definitely replace my Windows 10
[06:47] <HaMsTeRs> I'm currently customizing the look, just wonder is there any clean glassy theme that could share with me?
[06:52] <plasm0duck> How do I stop my Bluetooth keyboard going to sleep?
[06:52] <guiverc> HaMsTeRs: have you looked at those available via gnome-looks site?  (assuming using gnome or 18.04)
[06:53] <HaMsTeRs> guiverc, thanks for reply.  Yes, i'm currently using 18.04
[06:53] <HaMsTeRs> checking gnome-look site now
[06:54] <plasm0duck> If I don't use it for a while it goes to sleep and becomes unresponsive. The only way to make it work again is to turn it off, turn the bluetooth connection off on computer, turn the keyboard back on and turn the bluetooth connection back on and press any button on the keybord and then it will become "connected" again.
[07:01] <HaMsTeRs> hm... in gnome-look.org, should I browse the shell-theme or gdk or gdm?
[07:04] <Anthaas> Set up a new computer yesterday - fresh install, 18.04. As soon as it is has installed and restarted, I try to log in for the first time, and the screen goes black, and then takes me back to the log in screen. The mouse and keyboard are very slow/laggy too if they are even responsive.
[07:13] <kuberon> guiverc: but the issue happens when logging in not booting
[07:13] <kuberon> I did the tweak anyway, will try it next time
[07:13] <kuberon> haven't seen anything unusual in dmesg, journalctl
[07:14] <kuberon> what about systemd blame option?
[07:16] <svernagovich> ragazzi il mio computer non riesce a vedere gli hd che monto su usb
[07:16] <ducasse> !it | svernagovich
[07:18] <svernagovich> ok sorryù
[07:20] <astra`> hi there
[07:22] <astra`> i'm experiencing some bad lagging since i upgraded to 18.04 i.e. while watching a video, every few minutes the picture freezes for a few seconds while the sound is still playing
[07:34] <niceguy99> lxc launch images:debain/stretch/amd64 sagemath
[07:34] <niceguy99> how come that image can't be found its listed
[07:35] <hay207> Hi, my bluetooth isnot working
[07:36] <hay207> i think it's related to this bug : https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-lts-wily/+bug/1542944
[07:37] <hay207> shouldn't this bug be fixed in 18.04?
[07:40] <hay207> i posted my bug in this link, shall i open a new bug report?
[07:41] <hay207> under name of haytham-med
[07:44] <sweb> installing ubuntu 18.04 on virtulabox no internet access
[07:44] <astra`> why is 18.04 so laggy?
[07:44] <SysGhost> Atheros is, imho, not a good choice of a brand for a hassle-free linux life.
[07:45] <SysGhost> One would think that Atheros based hardware would get a whole lot better once Qualcomm took it over... but... that still remains to be seen.
[07:45] <astra`> streaming freezes 1 or 2 seconds every few minutes while the audio is still playing just fine
[07:45] <SysGhost> ubottu: ...so no wonder if Atheros based hardware/firmwares sstill linger around with bugs that "hould" have been solved.
[07:45] <sweb> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/tMvVFPcrsQ/ my netplan configuration
[07:46] <guiverc> hay207: 'fix release' applies to that bug; do you have the same hardware? (exactly or very close?) otherwise I'd suggest a new bug...
[07:46] <SysGhost> darn these bots
[07:46] <maret> Hi I am having a problem with rights. I am using visual code studio which has plugin for saving local history. I set path for saving to ~/home/vshistory but I am getting access denied error.
[07:46] <astra`> i7-8700k gtx 1060 gb
[07:46] <sweb> virtual box two inter faces, NAT and HostBridge ... i donno what's the problem of conncection
[07:46] <SysGhost> hay207: What I wrote to ubottu above...
[07:47] <hay207> i posted my dmesg, lspci and lsusb reports in that bug
[07:47] <hay207> i think i got same hardware
[07:48] <SysGhost> In short: (╯°□°）╯︵soɹǝɥʇ∀
[07:48] <hay207> it only got a problem cause wifi and bluetooth are on same chip
[07:49] <sweb> problem is when i active second interface internet gone
[07:49] <SysGhost> it'sa common combo. imho, see if one can replace the card with an Intel based one instead. It is what I do with my laptops. If I ever see Atheros or MediaTek in em, I'll rip em out.
[07:52] <MacroMan> My server lost network connectivity last night. This is the point of failure I found in syslog: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/Jyx22y9mtQ/
[07:52] <hay207> i guess i open a new bug
[07:52] <MacroMan> Does that indicate the network was pulled (or thought it was pulled)?
[07:53] <guiverc> hay207: give pilot6 a few days & see if you get a response (or are told to file a new bug).  I'd suggest ensuring you are subscribed to the bug  (and hit affects me too - looks like you did, so thank you!)
[07:53] <hay207> ok
[07:54] <SysGhost> MacroMan: "PCIe link lost, device now detached" can mean so much. Some reason the chip on the PCIe card simply stopped talking to the system bus. Reasons? No idea. Is it likely that someonw pulled the card? Is the motherboard of such kind it can manage hot swap of pcie cards?
[07:54] <hay207> i will continue searching for a solution in ubuntu forums
[07:56] <SysGhost> MacroMan: try reloading the igb module, and see what happens.
[07:57] <MacroMan> SysGhost: I doubt very much the card was actually pulled. I'm also getting a disk timeout error on bootup: [ TIME ] Timed out waiting for device dev-disk-by\x2duuid-e1e68588\x2dd8ae\x2d82f6\x2d889e\x2d022a411956a7.device
[07:57] <MacroMan> I think this is swap space
[07:57] <SysGhost> start to sound like a bad PSU
[07:57] <MacroMan> So power spikes and the such to the server components?
[07:58] <SysGhost> can be. Are the servers protected for spikes and surges? UPS units?
[07:59] <MacroMan> I presume so. It's rented from a data centre.
[08:00] <SysGhost> ah... can it be that you're in a VM?
[08:00] <MacroMan> No, dedicate
[08:00] <MacroMan> dedicated*
[08:00] <SysGhost> Hear with the owners of the server. Report the errors to em. Likely they'll suspect something along these lines...
[08:01] <MacroMan> They reported these errors to me lol.
[08:01] <SysGhost> aha
[08:01] <MacroMan> I'll pass back I think it's the PSU and see what they say. Thank you
[08:02] <SysGhost> could be a buggy igb kernel module too, but as you also have other errors too, it is more likely to be something else.
[08:02] <SysGhost> which is why you should at least try a kernel module reload. rmmod igb && modprobe igb
[08:02] <MacroMan> Ok will do. I presume as sudo
[08:02] <SysGhost> indeed
[08:03] <SysGhost> odd thing is that what you have there, can be related to an old igb bug from around 2015... should have been solved by long now... unbless the distribuition you have there is really old and not updated.
[08:04] <MacroMan> 18.04
[08:04] <MacroMan> 'rmmod igb && modprobe igb' completed without any output
[08:04] <SysGhost> see dmesg
[08:04] <DXH30> cat /var/log/messages
[08:04] <MacroMan> What am I looking for?
[08:05] <SysGhost> the last lines mentioning anything about igb and if it successfully detecting a card again or not
[08:06] <MacroMan> I can see the card was detached and re-attached. It's come back up fine
[08:06] <DXH30> lsmod | grep igb
[08:06] <SysGhost> well... that's odd.. .you seem to have a bug in igb that should have been solved. possible regression perhaps?
[08:07] <MacroMan> Shall I paste the whole output of dmesg?
[08:07] <DXH30> no
[08:07] <MacroMan> Obviously the relavent bits
[08:07] <DXH30> dmesg | grep -i igb
[08:08] <MacroMan> DXH30: http://termbin.com/ro3u
[08:08] <MacroMan> Hang on, that was from lsmod
[08:09] <MacroMan> dmesg: http://termbin.com/e6pm
[08:10] <MacroMan> The lines starting at 2935 was when I removed and re-attached igb
[08:10] <DXH30> ip l
[08:11] <MacroMan> http://termbin.com/be7q
[08:11] <DXH30> is there any enp2s0f0
[08:12] <MacroMan> I think so: http://termbin.com/be7q
[08:13] <SysGhost> now that the link is back up again, does it work as intended?
[08:13] <DXH30> the card detected as enp2
[08:13] <DXH30> ip link set dev enp2s0f1 up
[08:13] <DXH30> ip link set dev enp2s0f0 up
[08:15] <DXH30> lspci
[08:15] <MacroMan> Yes, it seems to be working fine.
[08:15] <DXH30> lspci | grep -i ig
[08:15] <DXH30> lspci | grep -i igb
[08:15] <DXH30> is it solved ?
[08:16] <MacroMan> I'm just concerned about what caused it to go down in the first placew
[08:16] <SysGhost> MacroMan: Well then. If it repeats, it's time to file a bug report. if it remains stable it might just have been a fluke of some kind.
[08:16] <MacroMan> I'll keep my ear to the ground on this one.
[08:16] <MacroMan> Thanks guys
[08:17] <DXH30> good luck
[08:19] <SysGhost> Could be someone @ the data centre doing service, and in lst second discovered he pulled a cardfom the wrong machine. pushed it quickly back in again and hope no one noticed. I've seen that kind of hickups happen before =P
[08:20] <SysGhost> machines @ data cemntres usually are capable of PICe hot swap.
[08:21] <MacroMan> I did cross my mind.
[08:29] <coconut> Is there any ubuntu app to paste terminal or code strings in and explains them?
[08:33] <hay207> guiverc: i also found this bug report related to my problem: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1764645
[08:34] <sweb> why netplan ? cannot configure simple network no internet access no well documentation
[08:34] <guiverc> coconut, you mean more than `man`  ([reference] manual);  i recall easier ones (you had to install), but they only covered common options (and put larger emphasis on example)
[08:38] <guiverc> hay207, if that fits perfectly (or very close) add yourself to that  (that bug has more heat)
[08:39] <coconut> on i don't refer to man... just trying to figure out whether an simple code explainer exist.
[08:40] <coconut> *no
[08:40] <kubast2> Hey is it possible to copy a firefox profile from live dvd ?
[08:40] <kubast2> like copy .mozilla to an external hard drive
[08:40] <hay207> SysGhost: i prefer to buy a bluetooth dongle than to do open surgery on my laptop :P
[08:40] <kubast2> and then copy it back into /home/$user/.mozilla ?
[08:43] <kubast2> I guess I can
[08:45] <SysGhost> hay207: the "open surgery" pretty much involves lifting a lid, removing a card, insertinga better card. reattaching the lid.
[08:46] <SysGhost> but yeah I get you. If there's a software solution to the whole thing it mught be enough. Just me that just have grown tired of some hardware manufacturers and their complete and total linux-ignorance.
[08:47] <hay207> isnot a dongle better?
[08:48] <SysGhost> imho... nope.. But.. it's me. I hate dongles. Prone to break and are, imho, ugly "ghetto-solutions" to what should be a smooth experience.
[08:50] <plasm0duck> If I don't use it for a while it goes to sleep and becomes unresponsive. The only way to make it work again is to turn it off, turn the bluetooth connection off on computer, turn the keyboard back on and turn the bluetooth connection back on and press any button on the keybord and then it will become "connected" again.
[08:50] <plasm0duck> How do I stop my Bluetooth keyboard going to sleep?
[08:50] <SysGhost> performance and functional -wise, dongles doesn't do any better than their wifi/bt counterparts. Some times they even do worse.
[08:55] <SysGhost> Once one get the bt to work, it doesn't really matter that it sits ona wifi/bt combo card. I have a few laptops where I put mini PCIe with Intels AC7260 (Includes bluetooth functionality) Best mini pcie wifi/bt combo card out imho.
[08:57] <plasmoduck> How do I stop my Bluetooth keyboard going to sleep? If I don't use it for a while it goes to sleep and becomes unresponsive. The only way to make it work again is to turn it off, turn the bluetooth connection off on computer, turn the keyboard back on and turn the bluetooth connection back on and press any button on the keybord and then it will become "connected" again.
[08:59] <astra`> streaming freezes 1 or 2 seconds every few minutes while the audio is still playing just fine
[09:00] <coconut> guiverc: is there something online that you know?
[09:02] <guiverc> man pages are available online coconut ; there is doco (including ubuntu manual) & i recall reading (maybe omg ubuntu) of easier alternatives to man but I didn't find it sorry.  (I'm happy with `man` myself)
[09:02] <MacroMan> SysGhost: For info: My issue was caused by Intel driver incompatibility with 18.04
[09:04] <coconut> ok
[09:53] <qwebirc35814> hey
[09:55] <qwebirc35814> im trying to dual boot ubuntu on hp pavilion 11 x360 with pentium processor running on windows 10, the think is the ubuntu installation process is showing installing grub2 for long time without finish for hours
[09:55] <qwebirc35814> can anyone help
[10:00] <rush> my vlc player wont play my vidoes
[10:00] <rush> please advice
[10:00] <rush> videos*
[10:01] <rush> and how to press 'ok'  when an ifo message comes up in the terminal.  there is no way t ocontinue..  very frustrating
[10:01] <rush> info message*
[10:02] <rush> anyone?
[10:03] <brainwash> rush: you can enable logging in the VLC settings
[10:04] <guiverc> rush, what ubuntu version, and what type of videos? - for restricted formats the following is useful (codecs etc) https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats
[10:04] <rush> ubuntu 18
[10:04] <rush> any videos
[10:04] <rush> vlc usually playss the mall
[10:04] <rush> them all *
[10:05] <rush> whats logging for?
[10:05] <brainwash> it tells you what VLC is doing, what errors it encounters etc.
[10:05] <brainwash> there may be some hint in the log
[10:06] <rush> i wouldnt understand that
[10:06] <brainwash> I would assume that VLC tells the user via a dialog window why it cannot play a media file though
[10:06] <rush> just thought vlc is supposed to 'play anything; like it does on windows ?
[10:06] <rush> no, nothing
[10:06] <rush> just doesnt play
[10:07] <brainwash> so yeah. obtain the log file.
[10:07] <coconut> guiverc: no, VLC has their codecs built-in, no need to installed them separately.
[10:07] <brainwash> rush: also, people in #vlc can help you with debugging the issue
[10:08] <guiverc> :) thanks coconut (explains why I didn't need to do anything...)
[10:08] <rush> yea
[10:08] <rush> yea, it works straight off the bat in windows
[10:08] <rush> linux yet again fails lol
[10:09] <brainwash> in your case it does
[10:09] <qwebirc35814> im trying to dual boot ubuntu on hp pavilion 11 x360 with pentium processor running on windows 10, the think is the ubuntu installation process is showing installing grub2 for long time without finish for hours
[10:09] <coconut> very unusual though, normally it play 99.x% of video's (did i say ALL video's here?)
[10:10] <rush> many things seem to fail 'in my case'  on linux though
[10:10] <rush> its just not up to par
[10:10] <brainwash> qwebirc35814: I would try this https://askubuntu.com/questions/758089/ubuntu-installation-takes-an-hour-is-there-any-way-to-see-logs
[10:11] <qwebirc35814> okay thanks let me try this
[10:12] <brainwash> rush: without any log output we cannot help you
[10:13] <rush> maybe ill try another player
[10:13] <brainwash> sure
[10:14] <coconut> rush: MPV is known as an great media player too
[10:14] <Guest59573> .
[10:15] <rush> ok
[10:15] <rush> thanjs
[10:15] <rush> will try
[10:15] <coconut> rush: though some might be interested in a log
[11:04] <JimBuntu> rush, get the log, post in #vlc. I seriously doubt it's the kernels fault (a.k.a. Linux)
[11:43] <nathdwek> Hi guys, I have a bit of a headache with Firefox and qbitorrent
[11:43] <howzitcal> SET password
[11:44] <nathdwek> Some time ago I used qbitorrent to open a magnet link, and now all files are opened with qbitorrent, eg pdf
[11:44] <nathdwek> I have check in preferences->data associations
[11:44] <nathdwek> and in mimeTypes.rdf, which I have regenerated
[11:44] <nathdwek> still does it
[11:44] <nathdwek> Any idea what might be the problem?
[11:52] <CoolerZ> something is wrong, the menu options are all white/grey
[11:55] <blackflow> CoolerZ: what, where, what did you do?
[11:55] <CoolerZ> https://imgur.com/p0asFjz
[11:55] <CoolerZ> every menu in every program is like that
[11:55] <CoolerZ> blackflow, i just restarted the computer
[11:56] <CoolerZ> the only thing i can think of that could be messing with this is kde plasma
[11:56] <blackflow> is that Unity on Xenial?
[11:56] <CoolerZ> no i am using gnome on ubuntu 18.04
[11:57] <blackflow> that's not plasma UI
[11:57] <CoolerZ> no but i did install and try plasma a few days ago
[11:57] <blackflow> ah. well, I used to see such issues in the past. I believe tehre's even a few bugs open.   Reboot fixed it?
[11:58] <CoolerZ> no reboot didn't fix it
[12:02] <blackflow> CoolerZ: huh. can you pin point the moment that started happening? what did you do just before that? installed kde plasma?
[12:10] <CoolerZ> blackflow, i can't pinpoint the moment, i noticed it right now when i started my laptop and logged into ubuntu
[12:10] <CoolerZ> maybe i should try restarting
[12:11] <Marvel> chu: I am suppose to be banned
[12:15] <arifuzzaman> My 8GB flash drives has become read only. Previously I made it bootable using `Startup Disk Creator` and later formatted if using Disks. Now I can't write in it. I already tried to format it again using the `overwrite existing data` option. Tried to used `chmod` to make it writable. Tried with `dosfsck`... None helped... Would anyone point me to the right direction please..
[12:16] <arifuzzaman> I meant USB pendrive
[12:18] <Marvel> chu: You need to ban me
[12:19] <lotuspsychje> Marvel: can you stop that please, only ubuntu support here
[12:24] <CoolerZ> well restarting didn't fix it
[12:25] <CoolerZ> firefox and the file explorer seems to be fine though, their menus look normal
[12:25] <CoolerZ> and so does the terminal window's menus
[12:25] <CoolerZ> only sublime text and hexchat seems to be affected
[12:25] <CoolerZ> i wonder if thats because they are using a particular window/menu library
[12:33] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
[12:40] <brainwash> CoolerZ: probably gtk2 vs gtk3
[12:42] <brainwash> CoolerZ: sublime and hexchat are still gtk2 applications
[12:42] <CoolerZ> brainwash, do i need to reinstall gtk ?
[12:42] <brainwash> I doubt that
[12:42] <brainwash> not sure what the exact issue is
[12:43] <brainwash> do you use a non default theme?
[12:52] <cesdo> hi all!
[12:53] <CoolerY> brainwash, what do i do
[12:56] <brainwash> CoolerY: I would test with a different theme
[12:56] <brainwash> to see if it's a general issue
[12:56] <brainwash> or theme related
[12:58] <Anthaas> I built a new PC yesterday, installed a fresh install of Ubuntu 18.04. However, when the machine gets to the log in screen, the mouse and keyboard are _extremely_ sluggish, and when I am able to enter my password, it takes me straight back to the login screen again after a brief black screen.
[12:59] <leftyfb> Anthaas: maybe try installing the closed source video drivers?
[12:59] <pragmaticenigma> Anthaas: What was the last thing you installed or configured prior to experiencing the sluggish behavior? If your not to far into your installation, I would suggest installing again, document each step and if it happens again, we can narrow down what is going on
[13:00] <Anthaas> I ticked the box for proprietary stuff on the install screen, drivers etc.
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[13:00] <CoolerY> brainwash, how do i change theme?
[13:00] <leftyfb> Anthaas: Nvidia or AMD video chipset?
[13:00] <Anthaas> NVidia
[13:00] <CoolerY> you mean theme inside sublime?
[13:00] <CoolerY> does hexchat have themes?
[13:00] <brainwash> no
[13:01] <Anthaas> This is a _brand new_ machine. I installed from Bootable USB, restarted, and experienced the above.
[13:01] <brainwash> system wide themes
[13:01] <CoolerY> ok how
[13:02] <Anthaas> I have tried reinstalling twice too
[13:02] <Anthaas> In case something went wrong each time.
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[13:02] <alexm_> there is classic gnome
[13:03] <crimson_rider> CoolerY: https://hexchat.github.io/themes.html
[13:03] <alexm_> or change gdm to lightdm
[13:03] <pragmaticenigma> Anthaas: were you keeping track of what you did each time? Did you install, everything was working, then start installing more and then something happened? Or was this right after the initial install completed?
[13:03] <brainwash> CoolerY: I'm not familiar with gnome, but maybe try via gnome-tweak-tool (installation may be required)
[13:03] <pragmaticenigma> alexm_: That's not really helping the situation, changing the greeter isn't going to fix this problem
[13:04] <alexm_> then better use 16.04 lts
[13:04] <alexm_> its _stable_
[13:04] <Anthaas> pragmaticenigma: Right after the initial install completed.
[13:04] <leftyfb> Anthaas: https://www.pcsuggest.com/install-nvidia-drivers-ubuntu/
[13:05] <pragmaticenigma> Anthaas: When I've encountered issues like this, I've just gone to the most basic install. I don't check the box for proprietary drivers or 3rd party software. I just click through and let Ubuntu install its core elements.
[13:05] <alexm_> Ive come back to 16.04 after more than weak head mad with 18.04
[13:06] <pragmaticenigma> Anthaas: The drivers that are on the installation media might have a bug that has been fixed by a later release. If you don't install them right away, you will get a working system, were the software updater can then retrieve the up-to-date drivers
[13:06] <leftyfb> pragmaticenigma: The ubuntu iso does not include the proprietary nvidia drivers
[13:07] <pragmaticenigma> leftyfb: I was speaking on the drivers in general. Sorry I wasn't specific
[13:07] <pragmaticenigma> There could be a conflict with the nvidia driver being fetched on a different driver or software library being out of date
[13:07] <Anthaas> pragmaticenigma: Ahhh ok, I will try that next. No doubt I will be back here when it doesn't work. Cheers.
[13:07] <leftyfb> I've had big problems, including performance of the Nouveau drivers
[13:07] <alexm_> Is its true that team which made Unity was fired?
[13:08] <leftyfb> Anthaas: try the link I posted above
[13:08] <pragmaticenigma> alexm_: That is offtopic and should take place in #ubuntu-offtopic
[13:08] <leftyfb> alexm_: it's also not true
[13:08] <BluesKaj> does ubuntu have driver manager in it's system settings? I've forgotten , it's been a while since I ran gnome or unity
[13:09] <alexm_> ok, sorry.
[13:09] <pragmaticenigma> BluesKaj: Kind of... There is a section in the control panel for selecting free versus proprietary drivers
[13:09] <CoolerY> oh dude that fixed it
[13:09] <leftyfb> BluesKaj: https://i.stack.imgur.com/CV4K8.png
[13:10] <CoolerY> changed the theme to adwaita
[13:10] <MagePsycho> I have deployer user and want to allow to run sudo chown -R www-data /var/www/* folder, what I have to do to prevent the password prompt?
[13:10] <BluesKaj> pragmaticenigma, ok thanks
[13:11] <CoolerY> ok so sublime and hexchat both can't deal with adwaita dark
[13:11] <pragmaticenigma> MagePsycho: I recommend reading up on sudo user setup
[13:11] <CoolerY> the background and the menu text color both become dark
[13:11] <leftyfb> MagePsycho: you really should just create vhosts for users or use a bind mount for that problem
[13:11] <CoolerY> and inside the menus the text and the background are both light
[13:11] <CoolerY> every other application looks fine
[13:12] <Anthaas> Thanks leftyfb - I've bookmarked that so I can try all this when I am home from work
[13:13] <CoolerY> hmm high contrast and high contrast inverse seems to work for sublime and hexchat
[13:13] <MagePsycho> deployer ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD: /bin/chown
[13:13] <MagePsycho> deployer ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD: /bin/chmod
[13:13] <MagePsycho> ?
[13:13] <Marvel> chu: I am not suppose to be in the room
[13:13] <leftyfb> MagePsycho: your current solution is not the right way to do it and has serious security implications
[13:13] <pragmaticenigma> MagePsycho: That's a very bad idea
[13:13] <alexm_> Does Unity progect officealy closed, or will exist in Ubuntu fork?
[13:14] <CoolerY> also radiance works great
[13:14] <CoolerY> weird how some themes work for all applications but some don't
[13:14] <brainwash> CoolerY: themes with proper gtk2 support will obviously work fine
[13:14] <pragmaticenigma> alexm_: Again, offtopic, and a group of developers have forked Unity into their own project going forward.
[13:14] <kimbilio> quit
[13:14] <CoolerY> brainwash, can i install more themes?
[13:15] <brainwash> CoolerY: well yes
[13:15] <pragmaticenigma> CoolerY: You can install any theme you desire, not all applications will play nicely with different themes.
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[13:16] <leftyfb> MagePsycho: can you explain why you need this new user to write to /var/www ? Are they the only one updating the website?
[13:16] <MagePsycho> I am going to some deployment tool like capistrano as deployer user to deploy website in /var/www/mywebsite folder
[13:18] <pragmaticenigma> MagePsycho: You should make the user deploying a member of the "www-data" group. Then make sure the folder being deployed has group write access. This will remove the need to run the application or user with elevated permissions.
[13:18] <leftyfb> no
[13:19] <leftyfb> MagePsycho: you should use a vhost pointing to deployers home dir
[13:20] <leftyfb> MagePsycho:  mywebsite.com should have its documentroot in /home/deployer/WWW/
[13:24] <CoolerY> how do i set it up so that i can do    code . in the terminal and it will open sublime text 3 opened to the current folder?
[13:25] <CoolerY> do i have to create a file called code in /usr/bin and put the path to sublime text 3 elf file in there?
[13:25] <Anthaas> CoolerY: By using `subl` not `code`
[13:25] <Anthaas> code is usually VSCode
[13:25] <CoolerY> oh thanks
[13:25] <CoolerY> nice
[13:25] <afidegnum> hello, how do i create a Win UEFI bootable disk using ubuntu ?
[13:27] <CoolerY> great now how do i delete a file in /usr/bin ?
[13:27] <leftyfb> CoolerY: really?
[13:27] <CoolerY> really what
[13:27] <CoolerY> rm sublime ?
[13:27] <CoolerY> sudo rm sublime
[13:28] <leftyfb> CoolerY: how did that file get there?
[13:28] <CoolerY> i used touch sublime
[13:29] <leftyfb> CoolerY: ok, then just rm it
[13:29] <CoolerY> yeah
[13:29] <pragmaticenigma> CoolerY: You should never modify anything in that folder. Should not add or remove anything. That's all managed by the software manager. If you manually added something there the command is rm... use GREAT care when removing something or you will make your machine non-functional
[13:29] <pragmaticenigma> MagePsycho: I do not accept DM/PMs please keep all conversation in the main channel
[13:30] <leftyfb> MagePsycho: please take my advice
[13:30] <memphisto> afidegnum: https://www.linuxbabe.com/ubuntu/easily-create-windows-10-bootable-usb-ubuntu
[13:31] <leftyfb> memphisto: they're gone
[13:32] <memphisto> leftyfb: oh, i see. but maybe someone else was interested in solution
[13:32] <CoolerY> pragmaticenigma, yeah well it should have let me touch sublime without sudo anyway
[13:33] <CoolerY> should NOT have
[13:33] <Anthaas> If you want your own files in a bin directory, use ~/bin (you may need to create it)
[13:34] <hoppfull> Hello, I need to boot linux in order to develop on it because previous developer made his code coupled hard to ubuntu. VirtualBox is too slow. I need to boot ubuntu from an external drive and I've been at this for quite a while now. I had a scare this morning when my work computer suddenly didn't want to start because "grub" was installed on it. Is it possible to make an external hdd with ubuntu bootable without installing anything 
[13:36] <leftyfb> hoppfull: what version of Windows are you running?
[13:36] <hoppfull> leftyfb: Windows 10 Pro
[13:36] <leftyfb> hoppfull: look into WSL
[13:36] <leftyfb> this is exactly what it was made for
[13:37] <hoppfull> leftyfb: thank you, I will look into it
[13:37] <memphisto> hoppfull: have you tried vmware ? have you installed guest tools in virtualbox ?
[13:37] <memphisto> hoppfull: you can install ubuntu to external disk and put grub on it. when ever you need to boot off of it youll have to change bios boot device
[13:39] <memphisto> hoppfull: what ubuntu version are you using? 16.04 was ok with 1.5GB of RAM, but 18.04 is bit more demanding in a vbox
[13:39] <hoppfull> mephisto: if I install ubuntu onto an external disk it sneaks in and adds a ubuntu entry in my efi partition
[13:39] <pragmaticenigma> memphisto: That method doesn't always work, and can potentially corrupt the host PC's configuration
[13:39] <leftyfb> memphisto: let them look at WSL first. It'll give the best results
[13:39] <CoolerY> Anthaas, oh so thats why there are 2 bin folders
[13:40] <Anthaas> Many of these things could be found out by Googling. Its better to spend time reading to understand something before fiddling with it / taking wild guesses.
[13:40] <leftyfb> Anthaas: there are more than 2. They all serve a different purpose. The bin in your home directory is so you can manage your own binaries/scripts
[13:40] <CoolerY> no wait you are talking about ~/bin not /bin
[13:40] <Anthaas> Yes
[13:40] <hoppfull> leftyfb: I looked at wsl before and it can't install any apps, it's just a bash shell
[13:40] <memphisto> pragmaticenigma: i'm not following about corruption of PCs configuration
[13:40] <Anthaas> leftyfb: I believe that was for CoolerY
[13:41] <CoolerY> yeah
[13:41] <leftyfb> hoppfull: you most certainly can install apps. Just not graphical. What graphical applications do you need for development?
[13:41] <pragmaticenigma> memphisto: Just as hoppfull mentioned... Ubuntu if it receives a kernel update or other trigger, will try to add itself to the Master Boot Record of the host PC. When the external driver isn't present, the host PC will panic
[13:42] <pragmaticenigma> *external drive
[13:42] <leftyfb> pragmaticenigma: that's not true. update-grub does not update the MBR. grub-install does that.
[13:42] <hoppfull> leftyfb: that's great, I don't need any graphical applications, only build-essentials
[13:42] <leftyfb> hoppfull: then WSL will work fine for you
[13:42] <leftyfb> try it
[13:43] <memphisto> pragmaticenigma: ubuntu will be on external drive. will be booting off of external drive. no issues there
[13:44] <leftyfb> pragmaticenigma: as another solution, installing Ubuntu on an external drive can be done without affecting the main drive in the machine. But I don't think that's the best solution in this case
[13:44] <memphisto> hoppfull: why then linux is slow in VBox if your not using GUI?
[13:44] <drzraf> Hi. I've an hardcore problem this morning (yesterday's linux-tools* update?). My local loopback iface is named "eth0" (!!). So no "lo" anymore which basically broke the whole network connectivity. I desesperate finding the root cause for that...
[13:44] <leftyfb> memphisto: can you just let them try a solution before troubleshooting something they specifically said they're not using?
[13:45] <leftyfb> drzraf: recreate the lo interface
[13:45] <leftyfb> drzraf: updating linux-tools should not remove your lo interface
[13:46] <blackflow> drzraf: what, eth0 got assigned 127.0.0.1?
[13:48] <drzraf> yes blackflow. Or, more exactly, I believe that loopback interface got assigned the "eth0" name
[13:48] <leftyfb> drzraf: are you asking how to fix it?
[13:49] <drzraf> leftyfb: $ ip link set up dev lo   ==> Cannot find device "lo"
[13:49] <leftyfb> drzraf: Are you asking how to fix it?
[13:49] <drzraf> fix (and understand)
[13:49] <leftyfb> drzraf: Was your eth0 set static or to dhcp?
[13:49] <drzraf> it was not used. enp3s0f1 was
[13:50] <drzraf> (nothing about eth0 in /etc/network
[13:50] <leftyfb> drzraf: is this on desktop or server?
[13:50] <blackflow> drzraf: can you pastebin   ip addr show eth0   ?
[13:50] <drzraf> desktop
[13:51] <drzraf> http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/S8H7VVzhQR/
[13:51] <memphisto> drzraf: how does your /etc/network/interfaces look like
[13:51] <leftyfb> drzraf: what version of ubuntu?
[13:51] <drzraf> 18.04
[13:51] <CoolerY> is this for real? https://www.gnome-look.org/p/1193879/
[13:51] <drzraf> auto lo\niface lo inet loopback
[13:52] <drzraf> /etc/network/interfaces.d/ : empty
[13:52] <CoolerY> is that gnome on ubuntu or some other os?
[13:52] <Pedro_Nqn> hello
[13:52] <CoolerY> seems more than just a theme, the top bar is missing
[13:52] <blackflow> drzraf: it's got a MAC so it's probably not lo renamed eth0, but still that's some weird stuff there.
[13:52] <Pedro_Nqn> i have a problem with mi server ubuntu 18.04
[13:53] <leftyfb> drzraf: ls /sys/class/net
[13:53] <CoolerY> also how do i install it?
[13:53] <Pedro_Nqn> i have two lan cards
[13:53] <Pedro_Nqn> one of them from the internet conecction
[13:53] <leftyfb> !enter | Pedro_Nqn
[13:53] <blackflow> drzraf: anything in the logs or dmesg that would suggest what happened?
[13:53] <bluesmonk> hi there... I need help debugging a networking issue. I installed docker in a fresh installation of 18.04, which adds a docker0 interface
[13:53] <JimBuntu> CoolerY, I don't think that's really an #ubuntu support question. Probably best to ask for details from the author at the link you provided.
[13:53] <drzraf> ll /sys/class/net : http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/fxcDNpNs4H/
[13:53] <drzraf> (for the symlinks)
[13:53] <JimBuntu> CoolerY, btw, I think it's Manjaro
[13:54] <bluesmonk> after the installation finishes, my dns server is messed up, say I can ping 8.8.8.8 but not google.com
[13:54] <leftyfb> drzraf: so it looks like some virtualization/bridging software created eth0
[13:54] <Pedro_Nqn> ok... how i configure netplan for two lan card? the first for internet and the second por a dhcp server for a lan
[13:54] <bluesmonk> how can I debug this? I've added docker0 to unmanaged-devices in /etc/NetworkManager.conf
[13:55] <leftyfb> bluesmonk: you should try #docker
[13:55] <leftyfb> Pedro_Nqn: https://netplan.io/examples
[13:55] <bluesmonk> and checked with a colleague we have the same output of systemd-resolve --status, we have the same local dns server
[13:55] <bluesmonk> leftyfb: yeah #docker is kinda dead
[13:56] <leftyfb> bluesmonk: be patient
[13:56] <drzraf> blackflow: this morning: "systemd[1]: networking.service: Main process exited, code=exited, status=1/FAILURE
[13:56] <drzraf> + "ifup[1341]: Cannot find device "lo"    ifup[1341]: Failed to bring up lo.
[13:56] <Pedro_Nqn> yeha! but the problem i have is that when i power on the pc, dont recognice each lan card, i have to discconect and them conect
[13:56] <leftyfb> drzraf: there must have been some software that configured eth0
[13:56] <leftyfb> Pedro_Nqn: Are they cards or usb adapters?
[13:57] <blackflow> drzraf: can you pastebin    journalctl -u networking.service  ?   maybe limit it just to _today_ if it goes beyond that
[13:57] <Pedro_Nqn> no, the cards are one onboard, and pci
[13:57] <CoolerY> JimBuntu, the desktop environment is Manjaro?
[13:57] <blackflow> drzraf: also which ubuntu is this?
[13:57] <drzraf> leftyfb: I used to have one custom file, that I dropped this morning (what didn't solve the problem) : /etc/systemd/network/99-default.link
[13:57] <leftyfb> Pedro_Nqn: you're removing pci cards while the machine is on?
[13:57] <JimBuntu> CoolerY, based on the tags and the comments, I suspect so. That or Arch.
[13:57] <Pedro_Nqn> no.
[13:57] <CoolerY> but it says gnome 3.28
[13:58] <CoolerY>  Easy On The Eyes Material design like Gnome 3.28 theme.
[13:58] <leftyfb> drzraf: why did you have that? What was it's contents?
[13:58] <JimBuntu> CoolerY, yes, people can install gnome on a wide variety of distros.
[13:58] <leftyfb> Pedro_Nqn: if you're needing to reseat pci cards in order to get them detected, then that is a hardware issue
[13:58] <Pedro_Nqn> i dont know how to tell to netplan that the first card is for internet, and the second is for lan.
[13:59] <memphisto> drzraf: maybe not the best solution https://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-networking-3/loopback-device-renamed-to-eth0-541674/
[13:59] <Pedro_Nqn> leftyfb the machine detects two cards
[13:59] <Pedro_Nqn> leftyfb: the machine detects two cards
[13:59] <JimBuntu> Pedro_Nqn, the routing based on subnet... from DHCP will handle that. Computers have no concept of "internet" versus "local"... they only want to know how to route traffic.
[14:00] <CoolerY> oh manjaro is a distro
[14:00] <leftyfb> Pedro_Nqn: 2018 Jul 03 09:56:36 <Pedro_Nqn>	yeha! but the problem i have is that when i power on the pc, dont recognice each lan card, i have to discconect and them conect
[14:00] <drzraf> http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/nZ6WNyYcRC/ (a previous attempt to get "enp3s0f1" named "eth0")
[14:00] <blackflow> memphisto: drzraf: that post is most certainly not the solution, but it might point at the probable cause here, being eth0 renaming going wild.
[14:01] <blackflow> drzraf: that looks broken and missing proper match
[14:01] <blackflow> drzraf: if you want to use old naming scheme (ethX),  adding   net.ifnames=0  to your kernel command line in grub is all you need.
[14:01] <leftyfb> drzraf: you use https://www.itzgeek.com/how-tos/mini-howtos/change-default-network-name-ens33-to-old-eth0-on-ubuntu-16-04.html for that
[14:01] <Pedro_Nqn> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/5NRkkDKBGq/
[14:01] <drzraf> `journalctl -u networking.service`  : incredible! That "Cannot find device "lo"" message dates back from May 16! But system was working fine until today...
[14:02] <Pedro_Nqn> this is my net plan configuration
[14:02] <ramsub07> Hi, I have an external hard drive on my system that i'm not able to mount. When i do fdisk -l, i see the hard drive on /dev/sda.
[14:02] <drzraf> (daily reboots)
[14:02] <ramsub07> and when i do lsblk, i see only /dev/sda and not /dev/sda1
[14:02] <ramsub07> my hard drive is exfat and it has data which i don't wish to lose, how do i mount it?
[14:02] <blackflow> drzraf: leftyfb's post, with net.ifnames=0 and biosdevname in grub is all you need to get eth0. no .link files, no udev rules are needed.
[14:03] <MagePsycho> Here is the command that I am using to create deployer: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/ggqHtg8JcB/
[14:03] <drzraf> (http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/RdjCS3ZCpc/)
[14:03] <adrian_1908> Pedro_Nqn: just joined, what is the issue?
[14:03] <leftyfb> MagePsycho: please follow my advice I posted above for you
[14:03] <blackflow> drzraf: that'd be the .link file you posted previously, with invalid match, causing it
[14:05] <drzraf> but even if the warning is related to that file. The eth0-lo renaming is still here (with or without that file)
[14:06] <drzraf> back in time that was a kind of udev name cache, somewhere around /dev/.udev, and autogenerated files in /etc/udev
[14:06] <leftyfb> drzraf: remove the file, make the changes we suggested and reboot
[14:06] <memphisto> drzraf: so you have now removed .link file and rebooted ? or restarted networking?
[14:06] <blackflow> drzraf: I didn't mean warning, I meant the entire breakage of lo
[14:06] <drzraf> is there still something that somewhat "cache" device names from their sysfs properties
[14:06] <ramsub07> Hi everyone(not sure if my laptop is connected to IRC)
[14:07] <leftyfb> !pateince | ramsub07
[14:07] <drzraf> I reboot many times since I removed that file. The issue still exists.
[14:07] <leftyfb> !patience | ramsub07
[14:07] <ramsub07> leftyfb: my wifi reconnected, not sure if my previous message was sent :)
[14:07] <leftyfb> drzraf: ll /sys/class/net/
[14:07] <drzraf> leftyfb:  http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/fxcDNpNs4H/
[14:08] <MagePsycho> leftyfb: using document root to deployer's - how it will fix the issue?
[14:08] <JimBuntu> ramsub07, your messages appear to be getting to us. While I can't solve your issue, I would suggest backing up the contents of the drive as a whole, before attempting anything further
[14:08] <leftyfb> drzraf: sudo grep eth0 /etc/systemd/system -R 2>/dev/null
[14:08] <ramsub07> JimBuntu: yeah, i have a backup, but don't want to lose what's here
[14:08] <blackflow> drzraf: also please  dmesg | grep eth0
[14:08] <drzraf> leftyfb: nothing
[14:08] <leftyfb> MagePsycho: because "deployer" will now own all the files
[14:09] <ramsub07> as a matter of fact, i've faced this problem before and it happens whenever the system restarts
[14:09] <drzraf> dmesg|grep eth0: http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/MRB2ByBxdP/
[14:09] <ramsub07> i am not sure what i used then. my command line history doesn't seem to show that anymore(presumably deleted)
[14:09] <ren0v0> Hi, can anyone recommend an application that will allow me to use a proxy for only certain applications?
[14:09] <ren0v0> I don't want to use a system wide proxy, i want to be able to run from command line specific apps
[14:11] <pragmaticenigma> ren0v0: This channel is for Ubuntu Support... for application recommendation type questions please check out #ubuntu-offtopic
[14:11] <ramsub07> I remember someone from here, suggesting me to change fstab, but i don't remember what changes :(
[14:11] <blackflow> drzraf: please also grep eth0 -r /lib/systemd/
[14:11] <svip> Where can I see change notes for each Linux kernel change that Ubuntu uses?
[14:11] <drzraf>  dmesg |egrep -w 'eth0|enp|lo' : http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/4qXf4yH2FD/
[14:12] <ren0v0> pragmaticenigma: well if you want i can turn it into ubuntu support
[14:12] <drzraf> $ grep eth0 -r /lib/systemd/  [14:12] <ren0v0> because the package i tried to use from ubuntu repos "proxychains" is broken with the following error >>  ERROR: ld.so: object 'libproxychains.so.3' from LD_PRELOAD cannot be preloaded (cannot open shared object file): ignored
[14:12] <ren0v0> is that good enough?
[14:12] <drzraf>  /run/network/ifstate.lo is empty by the way
[14:12] <blackflow> drzraf: that rename1 tho' .... did you change udev rules perchance?
[14:13] <leftyfb> svip: http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/main/l/linux-meta/   # found from googling for "ubuntu kernel change log"
[14:13] <memphisto> drzraf: or you have one more of those .link files
[14:13] <blackflow> yeah
[14:13] <drzraf> blackflow: no, afair. In doubt I did a couple of find -newer in /lib/udev, but nothing strange there
[14:13] <svip> leftyfb: I found /l/linux without -meta, but thank you!
[14:13] <MagePsycho> leftyfb: but those files should be owned by www-data user in order to be run by web server
[14:13] <blackflow> drzraf: in /etc/udev/rules.d/ perhaps
[14:13] <leftyfb> MagePsycho: negative
[14:14] <drzraf> memphisto: no other .link file in /etc
[14:14] <drzraf> oh wait !
[14:14] <drzraf> /lib/systemd/network/99-default.link
[14:14] <leftyfb> MagePsycho: if it makes you happy, then add your user to the www-data group and chown -R .www-data /home/deployer/WWW
[14:14] <drzraf> (from the same tutorial, I believe. This one is not in etckeeper...)
[14:14] <blackflow> drzraf: pastebin it please
[14:14] <drzraf> /lib/systemd/network/99-default.link http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/t6wDSdzQHw/
[14:15] <blackflow> drzraf: yeah, that's why I wanted you to grep /lib/systemd, some completely wrong tutorials suggest doing changes there
[14:15] <blackflow> drzraf: welp, that 99-default.link looks normal
[14:15] <drzraf> Here I have 80-container-host0.network  80-container-ve.network  80-container-vz.network  99-default.link
[14:16] <drzraf> md5sum : http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/yTKsVHJKRF/
[14:16] <memphisto> drzraf: list those too
[14:17] <drzraf> (it's strange. There are 3 *.network and 1 *.link there)
[14:18] <blackflow> drzraf: those are default (but you could pastebin them just in case)
[14:19] <drzraf> debsums -s udev systemd && echo ok   [14:20] <blackflow> drzraf: grep GRUB_CMDL /etc/default/grub  please
[14:21] <leftyfb> drzraf: got a link to the tutorial that had you make all these changes?
[14:21] <guest68> hi, does gimp support other languages?
[14:21] <Ascavasaion> I inserted USB stick into my computer.  copied stuff onto it, unmounted and ejected it.  Inserted the stick into another computer and the stuff was gone and stick was blank.  I reinserted the stick into the original computer and now I cannot copy onto it and get the message that the file system is read only. Some advice please.
[14:21] <guest68> it does not show any other besides english in the settings
[14:21] <drzraf> GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet resume=UUID=9125b1e1-1e9e-4bb6-942d-aced081667e9"
[14:21] <drzraf> GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX=""
[14:22] <leftyfb> Ascavasaion: bad hardware (usb stick)
[14:23] <blackflow> drzraf: and I'm out of ideas, other than: see what leftyfb just asked    and are tehre files in /etc/udev/rules.d/?
[14:23] <drzraf> leftyfb: I don't remember. But anyway 18.04 was installed after that. So only a few files migrated from my old /etc/ have been changed. The rest of the fs is not modified.
[14:24] <pragmaticenigma> guest68: Gimp should find the language setting of the computer and use that, so if ubuntu is set to English, Gimp will also use English
[14:24] <pragmaticenigma> guest68: https://docs.gimp.org/2.10/en/gimp-fire-up.html#gimp-concepts-running-language
[14:24] <drzraf> /etc/udev/rules.d/  : 70-snap.core.rules  70-snap.gimp.rules  70-snap.vlc.rules  99-hide-broken.rules
[14:24] <leftyfb> drzraf: you made some wild changes to network configuration then upgraded to 18.04 and it stopped working?
[14:24] <drzraf> no. 18.04 is working since may 10th. It stopped working this morning.
[14:25] <Ascavasaion> leftyfb: Oh, okay.
[14:25] <Ascavasaion> leftyfb: thank you.
[14:25] <drzraf> The only change from yesterday was: "committing changes in /etc after apt run" with the linux-*4.15.0.23*
[14:25] <blackflow> drzraf: I don't know, is that 99-hide-broken.rules  something coming from ubuntu? whats in it?
[14:26] <leftyfb> drzraf: you mean you upgraded to a new kernel?
[14:26] <drzraf> blackflow: it from an old harddrive (SUBSYSTEMS=="scsi", DRIVERS=="sd", ATTRS{rev}=="SDM1", ATTRS{model}=="XXXXXXX", ENV{UDISKS_IGNORE}="1")
[14:27] <drzraf> leftyfb: just the automatic update of yesterday
[14:27] <drzraf> http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/7sfp9gd9zD/
[14:27] <leftyfb> drzraf: I would remove all references to eth0 including in the grub config, reboot and go back to the normal modern making. Get things working as they should be
[14:27] <Younder> Have you tried lsscsi?
[14:28] <guest68> https://imgur.com/a/jfTdLt4 <- does not show other languages in the settings, even though gimp officially supports others
[14:28] <Younder> In Linux all divers are internally strored as if the were SCSI drives.
[14:28] <Younder> drivers
[14:28] <drzraf> leftyfb: I don't have reference to eth0 in /etc/: http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/JbnQqGmw3N/
[14:29] <leftyfb> drzraf: you don't think "dhcp/dhclient.conf:#  interface "eth0" is a reference to eth0?
[14:30] <leftyfb> oh, it's commented
[14:30] <drzraf> # grep -r eth0 /var/run   [14:30] <drzraf> /var/run/udev/data/n1 [14:30] <blackflow> drzraf: also note that in 18.04 ifupdown is deprecated. I don't know if the upgrader from 16.04 keeps it around, but there could be some conflict going on there.
[14:31] <drzraf> that file dates from today
[14:31] <blackflow> on fresh new installs, you get netplan
[14:31] <drzraf> blackflow: for new encryption scheme to work I had to completely drop my previous system
[14:31] <blackflow> drzraf: sorry I don't follow...
[14:32] <drzraf> I've one reference to eth0 in this file : /var/run/udev/data/n1
[14:33] <drzraf> blackflow: (from home-only encryption of 16.04 to luks encryption of 18.04 => preferible to wipe the whole system)
[14:33] <byrdclaw> Hello folks.  On 14.04 and having some troubles starting nginx as a service.  I can start the process directly, and I can also use start-stop-daemon pointing to the spots that it should be using for pidfile and exec, but service nginx start returns nothing and doesn't start the service.  Nothing logged in /var/log/nginx/error.log.  Is there some way to get more info out of the startup script on what's failing?
[14:33] <blackflow> drzraf: I see. but is this an upgrade, or fresh new installation of 18.04?
[14:33] <byrdclaw> sorry, 16.04, not 14.04
[14:34] <drzraf> blackflow: fresh 18.04
[14:34] <leftyfb> drzraf: wait, you installed 18.04 fresh and then dumped your old, custom /etc/ into it?
[14:34] <adrian_1908> byrdclaw: have you tried starting it with the -t flag?
[14:34] <blackflow> drzraf: cat /etc/netplan/01-netcfg.yaml  please     (don't know if you've been asked this before)
[14:35] <blackflow> drzraf: you did mention ifupdown tho'... did you reinstall it?
[14:35] <drzraf> leftyfb: only a couple of carefully selection files ;) (except that .link)
[14:35] <drzraf> /etc/netplan/01-netcfg.yaml  : not exist
[14:35] <byrdclaw> adrian_1908 yeah, -t checks out on the config
[14:35] <byrdclaw> no errors there
[14:36] <zuzia> Hi i question how i can configure mplayer for open all video file in my system i use xbuntu 18.04 i not wont use MIME type is any parametr to edit and set mplayer as defoult player in xfce4? Cheers from Poland.
[14:36] <blackflow> drzraf: did you install ifupdown there?
[14:37] <drzraf> good question. I don't remember. Apparently it was already bundled with 18.04 (or installed even before I installed etckeeper)
[14:37] <hoppfull_> leftyfb: My dude, WSL works like a charm. A thousand times thank you!
[14:37] <leftyfb> hoppfull_: glad it worked out
[14:37] <tomreyn> byrdclaw: which nginx packages are installed?
[14:38] <leftyfb> hoppfull_: future reference, you should go to #ubuntu-on-windows for any support with it
[14:38] <blackflow> drzraf: wait wait wait... etckeeper? so you essentially nuked bionic's /etc and replaced with whatever was in etckeepr's repo?
[14:38] <adrian_1908> byrdclaw: maybe the errors are being logged elsewhere by default? I would check /var/log/syslog. if you have set the error_log variable in the nginx config, then discard my suggestion.
[14:39] <byrdclaw> nginx-common, nginx-full, but there's also what looks like a custom compiled nginx here as well since I'm pointing to /usr/local/nginx/sbin/nginx for daemon
[14:39] <hoppfull_> leftyfb: Thank you, I will!
[14:39] <drzraf> blackflow: no! only things like php/7.2/fpm/pool.d/   rsyslog.d , ....
[14:39] <tomreyn> byrdclaw: well, this will be your issue. why dont you use the packages in ubuntu?
[14:40] <drzraf> My installation of 18.04 is "pure" :)
[14:40] <drzraf> cat /var/run/udev/data/n1  /lib/udev/rules.d/99-systemd.rules   : http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/P2pcPc8k9g/
[14:40] <blackflow> drzraf: cant' be pure if you don't have netplan config
[14:40] <leftyfb> drzraf: if it was, then you wouldn't be having this problem
[14:40] <leftyfb> that too
[14:40] <blackflow> drzraf: maybe the filename's different. anything in /etc/netplan/  ?
[14:40] <drzraf> I do have a /etc/netplan/01-network-manager-all.yaml
[14:40] <byrdclaw> tomreyn not quite sure.  The original implementation was done 2+ years ago by someone else.  I've built custom nginx for things like rtmp streaming, but I don't see that directive being used in this case so I don't know that it's 100% necessary.  In any case, this is how prod is working
[14:41] <byrdclaw> and QA doesn't work.. so I kinda am stuck in a position of getting QA working to match prod
[14:41] <drzraf> whathttp://paste.ubuntu.com/p/tVM5pjDdxH/
[14:41] <blackflow> drzraf: that's fine
[14:42] <byrdclaw> everything nginx wise seems to work since I can get the process to spawn successfully by just calling nginx and pointing it to the config file
[14:42] <drzraf> IHMO the issue could be somewhere with : /lib/udev/rules.d/99-systemd.rules  and that /var/run/udev/data/n1 file. I pastebin'ed both^^
[14:42] <tomreyn> byrdclaw: i suspect you don't have local documentation on how you setup / run your customized envirnments?
[14:42] <byrdclaw> and yeah adrian_1908 I've specified the log location in the nginx.conf
[14:42] <byrdclaw> tomreyn wouldn't that be great, but not in this case
[14:43] <tomreyn> :-/ i guess i'd set it up from scratch
[14:43] <pragmaticenigma> guest1524: Your system is currently set to English, and only the english language package was installed with Gimp. Did you read the article I sent to you?
[14:43] <byrdclaw> yeah, that's what I really want to do, but I'm supposed to match this environment to what prod is doing.  Which everything seems to be matched up, and it just won't start
[14:44] <tomreyn> byrdclaw: otherwise you'll never know what you're working with and how to fully recover prod in case of a major failure
[14:44] <byrdclaw> doesn't give me much hope that prod will survive an unexpected restart
[14:45] <tomreyn> you can always rsync ;)
[14:45] <blackflow> drzraf: there are no rules in that udev file that would explain this. it's also default. the var/run/udev I don't know what it is, but I doubt it's any config. runtime udev files be there.
[14:45] <Sheilong> Ubuntu is crashing when I attemp to log on default desktop or gnome, how can I see the logs?
[14:46] <tomreyn> Sheilong: depends on the ubuntu version you're running there
[14:46] <Sheilong> I am running 16.04lts
[14:46] <tomreyn> then it's /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[14:46] <Sheilong> thank you
[14:47] <tomreyn> look for lines saying '(EE)'
[14:47] <MagePsycho> leftyfb, pragmaticenigma - groups deployer -> deployer : deployer sudo www-data, so I should make www-data to be primary group for deployer?
[14:47] <leftyfb> no
[14:47] <pragmaticenigma> MagePsycho: Did you read the article that leftyfb sent to you earlier?
[14:47] <leftyfb> just add deployer to the www-data group
[14:48] <leftyfb> pragmaticenigma: I didn't send a link
[14:48] <leftyfb> pragmaticenigma: well, I did yesterday in regards to what a sticky bit was
[14:48] <pragmaticenigma> ah
[14:48] <Sheilong> NVIDIA: Failed to initialize the NVIDIA kernel module. Please see the
[14:49] <byrdclaw> if I use service nginx start... should it just run /etc/init.d/nginx script?  Is there a way to make sure that's what is used when calling service nginx start?
[14:49] <Sheilong> NVIDIA:     system's kernel log for additional error messages and
[14:49] <leftyfb> byrdclaw: what version of ubuntu?
[14:49] <byrdclaw> 16.04
[14:49] <leftyfb> byrdclaw: you should be using systemd
[14:49] <Anthaas> Right
[14:49] <oh4> I posted this in the Ansible room but I think it might be more appropriate for here:
[14:49] <oh4> installing on ubuntu 16.04, I cannot get 'sudo add-apt-repository ppa:ansible/ansible'  added because of an error "Cannot add PPA: 'ppa:~ansible/ubuntu/ansible'. ERROR: '~ansible' user or team does not exist." So I added the repo url's manually to /etc/apt/sources.list. However, when I run 'apt-get update', it doesn't find the signing key for the repo's I added. Where do I find the keys and how can I add them?
[14:50] <Anthaas> I am home now, and I have reinstalled without proprietary drivers, and I am experiencing the same issue.
[14:50] <Sheilong> the erros https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/eMt47pDR/errors
[14:50] <Anthaas> pragmaticenigma leftyfb ^
[14:50] <Sheilong> I've installed it a long time ago.
[14:50] <guest1524> pragmaticenigma: had to reconnect. could you repost? i did try gimp in terminal, but gimp remained in english, gnome-language-selector has been executed and it did translate packages such as libreoffice and chromium
[14:50] <dtwo> Where can i stream sweden switzerland?
[14:50] <drzraf> leftyfb: after a call to `udevadm info -c` the /var/run/udev/data/n1 file disappeared
[14:50] <Sheilong> and it crashed the system. I have had to create a new user because I couldn't fix the desktop to the main one
[14:50] <Anthaas> I dont experience any lag etc when running the bootable USB, so would that sugget a hardware problem?
[14:50] <leftyfb> dtwo: That's not appropriate here
[14:51] <Anthaas> Probably the SSD I am trying to install on?
[14:51] <byrdclaw> leftyfb: I'm not well versed in the differences between this stuff, but I thought systemd was different from upstart?  and 16.04 uses upstart?
[14:51] <guest1524> pragmaticenigma: i apologize for not viewing your message, though. thank you.
[14:51] <jnewt> anyone know why upgrading to 18.04 would make my printer stop working?   it shows in cups through my web interface but shows unable to locate printer.
[14:51] <leftyfb> Anthaas: you're running Ubuntu from a usb drive?
[14:51] <leftyfb> byrdclaw: 16.04 uses systemd
[14:51] <byrdclaw> if I do systemd --help there is no command found for systemd
[14:51] <Sheilong> dtwo: I have no idea where you live, but in my country televisions are streaming freely to everyone whom want to watch the world cup lol
[14:51] <Anthaas> leftyfb: No, I am installing from a USB drive, I have installed to a SSD, and it is booting from there which I am experiencing the issues.
[14:51] <leftyfb> byrdclaw: because systemd isn't a command
[14:52] <Sheilong> Do you guys have any idea how I could fix it https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/eMt47pDR/errors ?
[14:52] <drzraf> udevadm info -e still dump a dev with IFINDEX=1 and DEVPATH=/devices/virtual/net/eth0 *but* it does not have the USEC_INITIALIZED=1972427 anymore
[14:52] <drzraf> I will try a reboot
[14:52] <jnewt> does cups have anything to do with samba / workgroups ?   my samba doesn't work either, but i was going to just continue with nfs  in the meantime
[14:52] <pragmaticenigma> guest1524: https://docs.gimp.org/2.10/en/gimp-fire-up.html#gimp-concepts-running-language
[14:52] <byrdclaw> systemctl command not found
[14:53] <oh4> I posted this in the #ansible room but I think it might be more appropriate for here:
[14:53] <oh4> installing on ubuntu 16.04, I cannot get 'sudo add-apt-repository ppa:ansible/ansible'  added because of an error "Cannot add PPA: 'ppa:~ansible/ubuntu/ansible'. ERROR: '~ansible' user or team does not exist." So I added the repo url's manually to /etc/apt/sources.list. However, when I run 'apt-get update', it doesn't find the signing key for the repo's I added. Where do I find the keys and how can I add them?
[14:53] <pragmaticenigma> !repeat | oh4
[14:53] <guest1524> thank you pragmaticenigma, i did try that, i will retry with something else
[14:54] <oh4> oops, I didn't realize my first post went through...network glitch
[14:54] <oh4> ;)
[14:55] <byrdclaw> leftyfb: I'm not supposed to be able to do systemd --version and see something returned?
 <leftyfb> - can you send me the link once again please? I cannot scroll up (limit)
[14:56] <leftyfb> MagePsycho: Follow an apache tutorial to create a VirtualHost pointing to your domain with the DocumentRoot being the WWW directory in deployer's home directory
[14:56] <leftyfb> MagePsycho: add deployer to the www-data directory and chown -R www-data /home/deployer/WWW
[14:57] <Anthaas> pragmaticenigma: leftyfb: Any other ideas? :/ This is a brand new machine - all brand new parts, high spec.
[14:58] <MagePsycho> leftyfb: I have added many groups to the deployer user and want to remove them
[14:58] <MagePsycho> groups deployer -> gives deployer : deployer sudo www-data
[14:59] <leftyfb> MagePsycho: I don't understand what you're saying/asking
[14:59] <MagePsycho> when you run command: groups deployer
[14:59] <pragmaticenigma> Anthaas: switch to one of the other ttys (ctrl + alt + f3) and log in. check what your logs are saying
[14:59] <MagePsycho> it gives me the result: deployer : deployer sudo www-data
[14:59] <leftyfb> ok
[14:59] <leftyfb> MagePsycho: that's fine
[14:59] <Anthaas> pragmaticenigma: I cant open a TTY - they aren't opening.
[14:59] <MagePsycho> which means deployer user is associated with many groups like sudo www-data
[15:00] <leftyfb> MagePsycho: and nothing is wrong with that
[15:00] <MagePsycho> so my question was, how to make www-data the primary group
[15:00] <MagePsycho> for deployer
[15:00] <MagePsycho> suppose if a file is created as deployer, should be owned by www-data not deployer
[15:01] <leftyfb> MagePsycho: sudo usermod -g groupname myuser
[15:01] <pragmaticenigma> Anthaas: F2 through f6... one of them should be working... otherwise, where did you get your installation media?
[15:02] <byrdclaw> leftyfb: wow, my mistake.  saw the login message with 16.04.4 in it and tuned out the line that it was "new release available" . I'm on 14.04
[15:02] <leftyfb> byrdclaw: ok, then you won't have systemd
[15:02] <MagePsycho> leftyfb: thanks. do you agree that www deployer should have primary group of www-data?
[15:02] <leftyfb> MagePsycho: sure
[15:03] <Anthaas> pragmaticenigma: None of them do, and I created it from the ISO from Canonical and Rufus.#
[15:03] <byrdclaw> leftyfb: right, is there a way to doublecheck what script is used when I call service nginx start?
[15:03] <guest1524> i suspect this may be an issue in the 32 bits binary package; does anyone know where i can find the build logs for such packages?
[15:03] <leftyfb> byrdclaw: look at the file in /etc/init.d/
[15:04] <Younder> olds school init? What happened to the systemd deamond? Is it just backup?
[15:05] <byrdclaw> leftyfb that's the only place that the script could be?  where is that path defined?  I can take commands from that script and run them and get nginx to start successfully, which is why I'm trying to figure out if maybe there's some other script it's using
[15:05] <leftyfb> byrdclaw: did you look in syslog or nginx logs when you try to start it?
[15:06] <pragmaticenigma> Anthaas: I'm out of ideas I'm affraid. I don't know how the tty's are not available. That's a basic function
[15:07] <pragmaticenigma> Anthaas: and the only way I can think of to look at the logs being generated when you attempt to log in
[15:07] <leftyfb> Anthaas: are you using Fn to hit your Function keys?
[15:07] <Anthaas> Alt
[15:07] <Anthaas> Oh wait, this keyboard doesn't have secondary function key operations
[15:07] <Anthaas> (Has separate media keys)
[15:07] <Anthaas> Ok - so past it being INCREDIBLY slow, I have just managed to log in
[15:08] <Anthaas> And it is absolutely normal.
[15:08] <Anthaas> So its just the log in screen that is struggling...
[15:09] <byrdclaw> leftyfb: yes, nothing in the error log for nginx specified in the nginx.conf file.  syslog doesn't show anything either
[15:09] <MagePsycho> groups deployer -> deployer : www-data sudo Q: how to remove sudo group from deployer user
[15:09] <MagePsycho> leftyfb
[15:11] <leftyfb> MagePsycho: sudo deluser <username> <group>
[15:11] <zuhaitz> Hi, I have a problem with nvidia in 2 laptops after an automatic actualization.
[15:11] <leftyfb> zuhaitz: actualization?
[15:11] <zuhaitz> I solved it in one of them installing ubuntu 18.04
[15:12] <zuhaitz> the other one (this) with 16.04 have the problem
[15:12] <zuhaitz> I cant use nvidia propietary driver
[15:12] <zuhaitz> leftyfb, is not that the correct word? :)
[15:12] <zuhaitz> Sorry
[15:12] <MagePsycho> leftyfb: deluser or userdel
[15:13] <leftyfb> MagePsycho: I didn't say userdel
[15:13] <MagePsycho> leftyfb: thanks that workded
[15:14] <zuhaitz> is there any bug reported?
[15:14] <zuhaitz> I need here 16.04 (no way to install autodesk maya in 18.04)
[15:24] <jnewt> i can't even get my printer to print with the brother installation package.   i keep getting:  Unable to locate printer "BRN30055C6D2ADF.local
[15:25] <theseb> how turn off "Computer will suspend soon because of inactivity" popups?
[15:28] <leftyfb> theseb: plug the computer in
[15:29] <leftyfb> theseb: or disable suspend
[15:29] <oerheks_> is it inactivity or low battery?
[15:31] <blackflow> drzraf: any luck finding the cause of that?
[15:31] <Anthaas> Ok, I am trying to get WiFi set up through this wifi dongle I have plugged in - wired connection works fine, wireless said Connection Activation Failed
[15:34] <pavlos> Anthaas: maybe you need to load drivers from additional drivers in software and updates
[15:35] <afidegnum> anyone know tools/utilities to help convert win iso to uefi bootable disk?
[15:35] <pragmaticenigma> pavlos: Anthaas originally installed with the 3rd party enabled with the smae effect
[15:36] <afidegnum> like a rufus equivalent in ubuntu
[15:36] <pavlos> pragmaticenigma: I see, thx
[15:36] <oerheks_> afidegnum, there is a tool WOEusb, https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2017/06/create-bootable-windows-10-usb-ubuntu
[15:36] <oerheks_> good luck, i don not support it
[15:37] <pragmaticenigma> afidegnum: There are many tools that do different things... can you explain what you are trying to do in detail so we can offer educated suggestion?
[15:37] <oerheks_> win iso should be uefi compatible anyway
[15:38] <afidegnum> oerheks_: i have done that, and it didn't work
[15:38] <afidegnum> there is not even an option to select the GTP partition option
[15:38] <pavlos> afidegnum: in win there is rufus that writes iso to usbstick
[15:39] <afidegnum> pavlos: yes, i used rufus but strange enough it didn't convert my disk to a uefi type
[15:39] <oerheks_> afidegnum, what do you want exactly?  an iso is an iso, you don't mess around with gpt
[15:39] <oerheks_> again: win iso should be uefi compatible anyway, so your iso is corrupt
[15:40] <theseb> leftyfb: it is plugged in and i suspend at night rather than turning off..don't you?
[15:40] <afidegnum> oerheks_: the initial iso is MBR bootable but not UEFI compatible, i had to copy some move some core files... long process
[15:40] <pavlos> afidegnum: I've used rufus many times wo issue. There is also etcher which works on all OS
[15:41] <oerheks_> afidegnum, lolz
[15:41] <afidegnum> etcher too no UEFI
[15:41] <oerheks_> not an ubuntu issue, get a valid iso?
[15:41] <afidegnum> etcher only transpose the image
[15:41] <byrdclaw> leftyfb: thanks for the help earlier.  Talked with another colleague that actually did set part of this up years ago.  Looks like we're going to recommend to start from scratch with an updated OS and new nginx install.
[15:41] <leftyfb> theseb: no, I always disable suspend. I've done it since I was running Windows XP since it never works the way it is supposed to. The most common theme I hear about suspend is "oh, I know how to work around that issue. It doesn't bother me"
[15:42] <leftyfb> afidegnum: Your issue is not a support issue. Try #windows
[15:43] <afidegnum> i want to do it in linux
[15:43] <pragmaticenigma> afidegnum: This doesn't sound at all like an Ubuntu support issue.
[15:43] <pavlos> afidegnum: has the computer/laptop UEFI enabled in bios?
[15:43] <leftyfb> afidegnum: It's not an ubuntu support issue. Try #windows for help getting a Windows ISO burned
[15:43] <oerheks_> woeusb works fine.
[15:44] <pragmaticenigma> afidegnum: This channel is for supporting the Ubuntu (and it's flavors) only. It's not an appropriate place for your questions as they are not focused on Ubuntu.
[15:44] <afidegnum> pavlos: yes the laptop is uefi based
[15:44] <afidegnum> i want to be able to use ti to install ubuntu as dual boot
[15:45] <Lope> does anyone know how to suspend a kernel module when the computer sleeps in ubuntu 18.04?
[15:45] <leftyfb> afidegnum: you don't use a Windows iso to install Ubuntu. If you need help installing ubuntu, we will help you with that
[15:45] <Lope> I want to implement this fix because my wired eth adapter stops working after suspend.
[15:45] <Lope> http://www.techytalk.info/ubuntu-fix-network-stopped-working-after-resume-from-sleep/
[15:45] <Lope> But the path is a bit different
[15:45] <pavlos> afidegnum: is there an OS on the laptop?
[15:48] <ausjke> what's the best way to share ubuntu 1804 desktop? no vnc etc as it is a separate desktop, not the one on local screen
[15:48] <afidegnum> pavlos: i have cleared the original os on it
[15:48] <leftyfb> ausjke: x11vnc will use the local desktop
[15:49] <ausjke> windoes machine with vnc will copy the whole screen as-is, ubuntu gave me a separate process, yes i got a x-windows from ubuntu, but it has _nothing_ to do with the real local :0 display!
[15:49] <leftyfb> ausjke: x11vnc will use the local desktop
[15:49] <pavlos> afidegnum: so first install win on the laptop, then dual boot with ubuntu. Any (rufus,etcher) will write an iso to a stick
[15:49] <ausjke> leftyfb: thanks, googling
[15:49] <leftyfb> ausjke: sudo apt install x11vnc -y && x11vnc -xkb -noxrecord -noxfixes -noxdamage -display :0 -auth /var/run/lightdm/root/:0 -usepw
[15:50] <afidegnum> ausjke: teamviewer anydesk,  I CU U C Me
[15:50] <kab0m> Hi. I have major problems with setting up a sambaserver on my kubuntu. It says "smbpasswd: command not found" and i cant share files via Dolphin. Please help me getting this done
[15:50] <ausjke> teamviewer sometimes is a hassle on ubuntu, but yes i used it before
[15:51] <ausjke> let me try x11vnc, tightvnc certainly does not work, neither does all those remote-desktop thing in ubuntu, for real local window sharing
[15:51] <leftyfb> ausjke: I've never found teamviewer to be a hassle
[15:51] <ausjke> don't tell me 'join.me' though :)
[15:52] <ausjke> leftyfb: lightdm is ubuntu pre-18.04 correct?
[15:52] <ausjke> from 18.04 i think it's gdm
[15:52] <leftyfb> ausjke: correct
[15:53] <ausjke> https://websiteforstudents.com/access-ubuntu-18-04-lts-beta-desktop-via-vnc-from-windows-machines/
[15:54] <mrmaze404> http://mrmaze404.blogspot.com 😂
[15:54] <matmal01> Hi there, I've noticed that after ssh'ing onto a machine and logging out my arrow keybindings are messed up. From looking at the output of `cat` when pressing the up arrow, it seems xterm is sending different escape characters.
[15:54] <matmal01> Before ssh'ing, the up-arrow sends the escape characters '^[[A', after it sends '^[OA'. From looking at `infocmp -cL` it seems these are the characters for `cursor_up` and `key_up` respectively.
[15:54] <matmal01> So it looks like on xterm startup, pressing my up-arrow sends the codes for `cursor_up`, but after ssh'ing into a server then logging out pressing my up-arrow sends the codes for `key_up`.
[15:54] <matmal01> From that I have two questions: 1) which should the up-arrow send? (from reading `man terminfo` I would expect `key_up`, but I'm not certain). 2) why would ssh'ing into somewhere change things?
[15:54] <leftyfb> mrmaze404: please don't
[15:55] <newbsduser> Hello guys, I want to serve a single installer file only(50 mb), too many people can download it.  How should I serve it? By using ec2 or google drive? Or vps+ramdisk  What is the correct way to do that?  Do I need load balancer?
[15:55] <leftyfb> newbsduser: that's not an ubuntu question
[15:55] <leftyfb> newbsduser: try #freenode
[15:56] <pavlos> kab0m: have you installed samba-common-bin ?
[15:56] <kab0m> pavlos: yes i have
[15:56] <Lope> I've discovered that my question relates to a known bug which was apparently JUST fixed in the new kernel. Will try it. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1752772
[15:57] <blackflow> newbsduser: cloud services are most expensive for traffic. how much of it do you expect to see?
[15:57] <mrmaze404> leftyfb: sorry😂
[15:57] <blackflow> newbsduser: also maybe better asked in #ubuntu-server
[15:57] <blackflow> (or discussion continued there)
[15:57] <pavlos> kab0m: find it in /usr/bin/smbpasswd ?
[15:58] <kab0m> pavlos: no,its missing
[15:59] <kab0m> pavlos: every tipp i found online was: install samba-commin-bin and it seems to fix everyones problems but mine :(
[15:59] <leftyfb> kab0m: what version of ubuntu?
[16:00] <kab0m> leftyfb: Kubuntu 18.04
[16:00] <pavlos> kab0m: common not commin ... try again sudo apt install samba press TAB 2 times
[16:00] <ausjke> for the record on ubuntu 1804 just turn on the screen sharing via settings, then using remmina to connect to vnc://your-ip, and it works in local LAN
[16:00] <ausjke> real screen sharing, not a remote x11 new window
[16:00] <leftyfb> kab0m: please pastebin: apt-cache policy samba-common-bin
[16:00] <kab0m> pavlos: was a typo here in chat, i have installed samba-common-bin but nothing changed
[16:01] <leftyfb> kab0m: please the output of the following to pastebin: apt-cache policy samba-common-bin
[16:01] <pavlos> kab0m: do you have samba-libs
[16:02] <kab0m> leftyfb: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/XyPs5cpMKh/
[16:02] <pragmaticenigma> audis: Are you looking for something like when you SSH to a remote machine and launch a program you can view it on the local machine?
[16:02] <pragmaticenigma> audis: Also known as X-Forwarding
[16:02] <leftyfb> kab0m: please the output of the following to pastebin: which smbpasswd
[16:02] <kab0m> pavlos: samba-libs is allready installed
[16:03] <kab0m> leftyfb: which smbpasswd founds nothing
[16:04] <O_Gopal> In Ubuntu 18.04, I'm suddenly getting incessant messages "Activation of network connection failed." This seems to relate to Bluetooth. "nmcli device" shows bt "disconnected." And yet bluetooth seems to be working.
[16:05] <Gargravarr> hey all, does anyone have any experience with APT hooks? i'm trying to hook into the Update::Pre-Invoke hook to test whether the laptop is on our office LAN, and switch the sources to our internal mirror. the hook is being called and seems to be swapping the pre-defined files over before the sources are fetched, but on its first run through, APT picks up the old sources instead
[16:05] <leftyfb> kab0m: ls -l /usr/bin/smbpasswd
[16:05] <pavlos> kab0m: I'd suggest reinstall the packages, sudo apt install samba*
[16:06] <rush> what is the easiest linuxc to use for people who ar eused to windows?
[16:06] <leftyfb> pavlos: --reinstall
[16:06] <leftyfb> rush: that question is not appropriate here
[16:06] <leftyfb> rush: Try ubuntu
[16:06] <rush> lol
[16:06] <rush> i am.. i like it
[16:06] <rush> but just curious about others
[16:06] <kab0m> leftyfb: not found
[16:06] <rush> ubuntu is my fave oversall so far
[16:06] <callMe_Dude>  Failed to load module "canberra-gtk-module". what does this mean ? I got this when I ran Installation script for InetlliJ IDEA ?
[16:07] <leftyfb> kab0m: sudo apt install --reinstall samba-common-bin
[16:07] <rush> i heard the new icon set was not quite ready in time for the ubuntu 18 release, but they are available in beta somewhere?  anyone know where?  interested to see the new windows and icon set
[16:07] <leftyfb> callMe_Dude: you'll have to contact InetlliJ for support with installing InetlliJ IDE
[16:08] <Gargravarr> rush: the Cinnamon desktop environment is very Windows-like and easy to install on Ubuntu. there's also a distro with Cinnamon by default, Linux Mint, but that distro is out of scope here
[16:08] <callMe_Dude> leftyfb: okay
[16:08] <leftyfb> rush: https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2018/02/install-the-new-ubuntu-theme
[16:08] <oerheks_> !find canberra-gtk
[16:09] <rush> i trie mint.. i prefer ubuntu...  once buntu is set up i just slightly prefer it. just takes a while to get the top task bar t odissapear and free up some space etc
[16:09] <callMe_Dude> leftyfb: its issue with gtk-module right ? so it has something to do with ubuntu ,isn't?
[16:09] <oerheks_> cinnamon desktop is also available from our repos
[16:09] <leftyfb> callMe_Dude: you'll have to contact InetlliJ for support with installing InetlliJ IDE
[16:09] <rush> the ubuntu aesthetic pleases me.  it also seems to run faster at some tasks than mint did
[16:09] <rush> for me anyway
[16:09] <kab0m> leftyfb: thanks you! this did the trick for my smbpasswd problem. But i have one porblem left, i cant share files via dolphin. When i set the sharing dialog and exit the dialog the settings are lost/not saved and the folder is not shared
[16:10] <rush> any one tried the new beta icaon set?
[16:10] <oerheks_> callMe_Dude, tell them to fix it , see the canberra package ubottu talks about
[16:10] <rush> icon*
[16:10] <leftyfb> kab0m: sorry, I'm not familiar with Dolphin
[16:10] <leftyfb> rush: https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2018/02/install-the-new-ubuntu-theme
[16:10] <kab0m> leftyfb: ok thank you very much ;)
[16:10] <Hathadar> How do I get my ubuntu box's hostname to appear on my local network?  I can ping it via IPv4 but am unable to ping it with the hostname.
[16:10] <rush> lefty, you are a machine! answering everyone
[16:11] <leftyfb> Hathadar: is your ubuntu box set with a static ip or dhcp?
[16:11] <callMe_Dude> leftyfb: are you bot?
[16:11] <rush> lefty is the ubuntinator
[16:12] <leftyfb> callMe_Dude: no
[16:12] <callMe_Dude> rush: whats "ubuntinator" ?
[16:12] <rush> lol
[16:13] <rush> the ubuntu equivalent of the terminator.. a maching that 'absolutely will not stop'
[16:13] <rush> machine*
[16:14] <callMe_Dude> rush: alright ,now I got it. I am just getting used Irc lingo . lmao!
[16:14] <Hathadar> leftyfb: DHCP
[16:15] <leftyfb> Hathadar: What version of ubuntu?
[16:16] <Hathadar> 178.10
[16:17] <Hathadar> 17.10*
[16:17] <leftyfb> Hathadar: nmcli device show|grep DNS
[16:17] <leftyfb> what does that give for the IP4.DNS ?
[16:18] <Hathadar> First is my local network router followed by two google DNS ips.
[16:18] <leftyfb> Hathadar: remove the google ip's from your routers dns config (the dns server it gives out for DHCP)
[16:19] <leftyfb> Hathadar: your router forwards DNS queries to the external DNS it's configured for. No need to give local devices the public DNS servers.
[16:20] <leftyfb> Hathadar: if you want local DNS to work, you need to only be using your local DNS server (router) otherwise it's hit or miss which DNS server you'll be using and local lookup will certainly fail when it hits public dns servers
[16:20] <leftyfb> Hathadar: or play around with zeroconf
[16:20] <leftyfb> Hathadar: I recommend the former
[16:22] <Hathadar> I am a little confused then.  The google DNS IPs are specified within my router.  They are needed so my router may do DNS resolution for my entire local network.  If I remove them then I have no DNS resolution at all.
[16:22] <leftyfb> Hathadar: your router should have 2 places for DNS config. The public DNS server(s) it uses to resolve. And the DNS server(s) it gives out to devices via DHCP on your local network
[16:23] <KolK> Hello, I cannot find more detailed information about Curtin installer.
[16:23] <Gargravarr> leftyfb: it's actually quite uncommon for consumer routers to have these controls
[16:23] <leftyfb> Gargravarr: I beg to differ
[16:23] <leftyfb> KolK: try #ubuntu-server
[16:23] <leftyfb> KolK: or #maas
[16:23] <KolK> leftyfb: thanks
[16:23] <nacc> KolK: #curtin
[16:23] <Gargravarr> they often take the ISP's DNS via DHCP on the WAN side and then proxy the queries, specifiying themselves as the LAN DHCP server
[16:23] <leftyfb> nacc: is that a thing?
[16:24] <nacc> leftyfb: yes.
[16:24] <Gargravarr> at least, this is my experience
[16:24] <KolK> nacc: thank you very much ;-)
[16:24] <leftyfb> Gargravarr: yup, that sounds like a default config. Not the only config available.
[16:24] <Gargravarr> leftyfb: many of the routers i've played with don't have any way to override this
[16:24] <leftyfb> nacc: I'm actually going to be looking at curtinator again soon. I wonder if it's still actively developed
[16:25] <nacc> leftyfb: not sure, tbh
[16:25] <leftyfb> nacc: my last experience with it was that it didn't support Power8 arch :)
[16:25] <Gargravarr> it's one of the reasons i run my own DHCP
[16:26] <nacc> leftyfb: lol
[16:26] <BluesKaj> Gargravarr, one just needs to login into the router firmware, not difficult, it's usually the gateway IP then a setup a login admin name and pw. Even ISP provided routers are configurable in most cases
[16:28] <Gargravarr> BluesKaj: again, most of the routers i've played with only have the web UI for config, and they don't have options to set the DHCP/DNS. none of the consumer routers have CLI configs either
[16:29] <leftyfb> Hathadar: find the options?
[16:29] <rush> how to log out of ubuntu 18 without restarting ?
[16:29] <Gargravarr> rush: dropdown menu, top-right
[16:29] <BluesKaj> Gargravarr, tried TP-Link , dhcp/static/dns are all there, my ISO provided arris router is just as configurable
[16:30] <rush> i saew that, but no log out option
[16:30] <Gargravarr> rush: expand your username
[16:30] <leftyfb> rush: click your username
[16:30] <Gargravarr> so close to jinx :)
[16:30] <BluesKaj> ISO=ISP
[16:31] <Gargravarr> BluesKaj: fair enough. my experience is that the functionality is very uncommon, but that may be just British ISPs
[16:31] <leftyfb> Gargravarr: my experience is that it is common
[16:31] <leftyfb> in the U.S.
[16:31] <leftyfb> with ISP provided modem/routers and off the shelf routers
[16:31] <rush> that worked
[16:31] <rush> but didnt see any option in log in menu to use the new theme i just installed
[16:31] <BluesKaj> Gargravarr, yeah I've heard you Brits have clamps on ISP routers
[16:32] <BluesKaj> dunno about consumer routers
[16:33] <Gargravarr> BluesKaj: indeed. my Virgin Media fibre (Netgear) router was heavily locked down. i ended up taking over most of its functionality on my server
[16:34] <BluesKaj> Gargravarr, Canada here, still fairly network neutral here
[16:34] <rush> the new icon set didnt work
[16:34] <rush> wha tdoes this mean?:
[16:34] <rush> 'If all goes well the Communitheme, Suru icon set, and GNOME Shell theme will be set. If not, use GNOME Tweaks to select them.'?
[16:35] <rush> i didnt even see the communintheme option in log in screen
[16:35] <BluesKaj> BBL
[16:36] <rush> gah.. everytime ubuntu starts to get good im reminded why ive never used it for long before...  things keep going belly up
[16:36] <rush> well.  linux in general actually
[16:37] <rush> https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2018/02/install-the-new-ubuntu-theme
[16:37] <rush> 'Once installed you need to log out, select the ‘Communitheme’ session from the session selector on the login screen, and log in as normal.'
[16:37] <rush> ive intalled it, but get no theme option
[16:39] <lotuspsychje> rush: did you install the snap?
[16:39] <rush> wats a snap?
[16:39] <rush> i installed the two lines of code in the website into the terminal yea
[16:39] <rush> maybe i need gnome tweak tool?  whatever that is
[16:40] <lotuspsychje> rush: in gnome-tweak-tool you can easy switch themes yes
[16:40] <rush> how do ge tthat?
[16:40] <rush> but why wont this new theme even show up in my log in option
[16:40] <rush> i installed it
[16:40] <rush> but not there
[16:40] <theseb> leftyfb: thanks for your help....I turned off "automatic suspend"...but that doesn't mean can't still *manually* turn on suspend...problems solved....you're the man!
[16:41] <lotuspsychje> !info gnome-tweak-tool | rush
[16:41] <rush> still cant see an install link for it?
[16:42] <lotuspsychje> rush: you can install packages for ubuntu from the terminal
[16:43] <rush> i cant no
[16:43] <rush> it stoo difficult to do that
[16:43] <rush> i just copy an dpaste whan im told
[16:43] <rush> sometimes works, sometimes doesnt
[16:43] <lotuspsychje> rush: from a terminal: sudo apt install gnome-tweak-tool
[16:43] <rush> i manged to find it in software center
[16:44] <ash_worksi> I think, whilst trying to get my IME to work, I installed a depricated package ibus-m17n
[16:44] <ash_worksi> which I think may have in turn put a .anthy dir in my home directory
[16:45] <ash_worksi> does anyone know if that's necessary for the ime or can I just remove that/.
[16:45] <ash_worksi> ?
[16:45] <lotuspsychje> ash_worksi: is it possible to pastebin some output of what you are trying to do?
[16:46] <lotuspsychje> ash_worksi: lets say hastebin the output of: sudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade
[16:46] <rush> think i prefer the 'ambiance theme anyway'  but worth a look
[16:46] <rush> thanks for the tips
[16:46] <lotuspsychje> rush: you are welcome
[16:47] <lotuspsychje> ash_worksi: wich ubuntu version are you on?
[16:48] <ash_worksi> lotuspsychje: 18.04
[16:48] <ash_worksi> I was just thinking of removing this .anthy dir
[16:49] <lotuspsychje> ash_worksi: seems like your package is available for 18.04..im not sure what you are trying to do yet
[16:50] <jasom> 18.04 does not boot on my machine; the salient errors appear to be something about APST failing and then a message about my NVME's drive size changing to 0 sectors.  I tried some suggested workarounds such as setting default_ps_max_latency_us=0 in the kernel options, but nothing seemed to fix it.  Booting with the previous kernel from 16.04 LTS allowed me to boot.  Any suggestiosn?
[16:50] <ash_worksi> lotuspsychje: what I'm trying to do: remove the .anthy directory (if that does not present a problem)
[16:50] <ash_worksi> that's it
[16:52] <lotuspsychje> jasom: if you find a bug for a specific kernel, i would suggest to file that bug..if you tested on other kernel and it works
[16:53] <lotuspsychje> !bug | jasom
[16:53] <lotuspsychje> jasom: this way you helping yourself and the community
[16:54] <lotuspsychje> jasom: are you on desktop or server?
[16:55] <ash_worksi> I just don't know if .anthy is required by the native ibus implementation or not
[16:55] <ash_worksi> rather I don't know if installing jpn from `settings` put it there or my random efforts to get jpn ime working some other way which turned out (presumably) not to be necessary
[16:56] <lotuspsychje> ash_worksi: the better you describe what you are trying to do, the better users can try to help you
[16:57] <ash_worksi> lotuspsychje: I'm not sure how to be more clear; I *think* the anthy dir was a product of my flawed thinking and not essential to the current IME config, so I want to get rid of it, but I am not *sure*, so I am asking if someone can shed some light on that... do I *need* the .anthy dir for the _native_ ime settings?
[16:58] <rush> i  *dont know*   somebody else might *help*  you
[16:58] <rush> :P
[16:59] <ash_worksi> when you go to `settings > region & language` there is a 'manage installed language' button; if you click it there is an 'install / remove lanaugages...' button; would that have created the .anthy directory?
[16:59] <ash_worksi> or would `sudo apt-get install ibus-m17n` have created it?
[16:59] <ash_worksi> I am pretty sure `sudo apt-get install ibus-m17n` was meaningless to my endeavor to get the JPN IME working
[17:00] <ash_worksi> is any of this making the topic clearer hopefully?
[17:01] <ioria> ash_worksi, dpkg -l | grep anthy
[17:02] <ash_worksi> ioria: okay; there are several packages which include the word, yeah
[17:03] <ash_worksi> I'm gonna assume this is necessary at this point
[17:03] <rush> england comubia soon.. im about to foul myself i nanticipation
[17:05] <ash_worksi> thanks ineiros
[17:05] <ash_worksi> thanks ioria
[17:05] <ash_worksi> * ^
[17:05] <ioria> it's ok
[17:07] <rush> on thunderbird, whats the difference between 'email' and 'movemail' ?
[17:09] <rush> also on hexchat, how to show list of all rooms ?
[17:10] <leftyfb> rush: each of these applications has documentation
[17:11] <leftyfb> rush: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Movemail
[17:11] <rush> thanks
[17:11] <jasom> lotuspsychje: desktop
[17:12] <rush> sounds complax, dont understand it
[17:12] <rush> 'movemail is a computer program by the GNU Project that moves mail from a user's Unix mailspool to another file. It is part of GNU Mailutils.'  its gibberish to me
[17:13] <rush> guess i dont need it
[17:13] <lotuspsychje> jasom: is that a clean install 18.04 or did you upgrade from 16.04?
[17:13] <coconut_> rush: i don't know hexchat specificly, but you should be able to do a /list
[17:14] <belzebalex> ls
[17:14] <jasom> lotuspsychje: upgrade
[17:14] <coconut_> or better, a /msg alis list <name>
[17:14] <lotuspsychje> jasom: could you test this on a clean install please, its not adviced to upgrade from xenial yet
[17:14] <rush> i got it  'server - join  channel - retrieve channel list'
[17:14] <lotuspsychje> !ltsupgrade | jasom
[17:15] <lotuspsychje> jasom: if it still persist, try to file a new !bug
[17:15] <flickeerrr> Ahoj lidi!
[17:16] <rush> love the software center now.. so many apps and stuff all one click to install.   ubuntu is starting to finally kick ass
[17:18] <drzraf> leftyfb, blackflow: I wanted to thank you for your attempt in helping save my loopback...
[17:19] <rush> also, how can this ubuntu be so fast?  i have a full instalation on USB only, yet it runs very well.  just impressive.  boots as fast as, or faster than linux puppy lol  go figure
[17:19] <blackflow> drzraf: you're welcome. did you get it?
[17:20] <lotuspsychje> rush: keep this channel free to ubuntu support questions only here please, you can discuss in #ubuntu-discuss if you like
[17:20] <rush> ok
[17:22] <drzraf> I managed to get dhcp enp3s0f1 back again by simply removing/adding back that iface in NM. So the most important is saved.
[17:23] <drzraf> but my loopback is still named eth0. It creates a warning from ifupdown at startup, but most importantly: 'm not fine with that if name
[17:25] <ioria> drzraf, already checked /etc/network/interface ?
[17:25] <blackflow> drzraf: could you do one more thing please, can you check    sud grep "rename1" -r /etc/*
[17:26] <blackflow> drzraf: you shouldn't have ifupdown on Bionic, that's not default did you install it manually?
[17:27] <ioria> unless you did a do-release-upgrade -d
[17:27] <blackflow> ioria: asked that before, this is supposedly installation from scratch, but with some config files brought in with etckeeper
[17:28] <drzraf> blackflow: if that's not the default, then yes. I used to find it very useful, but I didn't care bringing back my old /etc/interface/* stuff in this new systemd-based one.
[17:28] <ioria> ok
[17:28] <drzraf> blackflow: no "rename1" in /etc
[17:28] <blackflow> drzraf: my advice wuld be to let go ifupdown and keep netplan config
[17:28] <nacc> drzraf: you're confusing systemd and netplan.
[17:29] <ioria> i was just curious about the lo device named eth0
[17:29] <drzraf> IHMO the problem is about udev and persistence. There should a cache somewhere which didn't go away, even with `udevadm info -c`
[17:29] <drzraf> that's why I still have that eth0 thing inside /var/run/udev/data/n1
[17:30] <blackflow> drzraf: according to your dmesg you have (had) two renames: enp3... to eth0 and then lo -> rename1 -> eth0
[17:31] <ioria> /var/run  is a  temporary filesystem
[17:34] <drzraf> I created an issue here: https://github.com/systemd/systemd/issues/9497 where I hope I put everything needed to find out *where* eth0 comes from and drop that. Let me know if it miss a useful info.
[17:35] <drzraf> IHMO the `udevadm info -e` containing reference to "eth0" is not normal.
[17:36] <blackflow> drzraf: that'll just get itself closed with not-out-bug :)   personally I doubt the problem is in systemd itself. it's what you suggested, probably, some lingering / cached  config/udev rule or something, perhaps even conflict with ifupdown
[17:37] <blackflow> *not-our-bug
[17:37] <igg> hello all!!!
[17:37] <nacc> drzraf: is your /var/run a symlink to /run and /run is a tmpfs?
[17:37] <drzraf> yes
[17:37] <igg> I am trying to mount a nas in my fstab using afp and im having issues getting it to mount on boot
[17:38] <nacc> drzraf: and this file "/lib/systemd/network/99-default.link" does not exist any longer?
[17:38] <nacc> drzraf: does it exist in your initramfs?
[17:40] <drzraf> nacc: contrary to files /etc/, this one is part of udev (dpkg -S /lib/systemd/network/99-default.link)
[17:41] <blackflow> nacc: it's there and default but.... huh.... initramfs... I totally forgot to suggest rebuilding that.
[17:41] <nacc> drzraf: is that a yes or no?
[17:41] <ioria> drzraf, lsinitramfs /boot/initrd.img-$(uname -r) | grep 99-default.link
[17:41] <drzraf> nacc: yes, I have it
[17:41] <nacc> drzraf: with what contents?
[17:41] <igg> Does anyone know how to mount a afp share in the fstab? I have read a lot of the forum posts and they do not seam to apply to 18.04
[17:41] <nacc> drzraf: the ones mentioned in the upstream issue?
[17:41] <nacc> blackflow: yeah, it's maybe a red herring, but worth checking
[17:42] <drzraf> hum...
[17:42] <nacc> drzraf: you mention some contents in 8 in the upstream issue.
[17:43] <nacc> ioria: i'm fairly sure by default it's in the initrd
[17:43] <blackflow> drzraf: I thought you said you removed that file?
[17:43] <ioria> nacc, yeah
[17:43] <blackflow> the one in point #8
[17:43] <nacc> ioria: the issue is if it was manually changed, and the initrd wasn't rebuilt automatically (e.g., no kerenl installed), it will be wrong in the initrd
[17:43] <nacc> *could be wrong
[17:43] <blackflow> ah yes I failed to read below the codeblock.
[17:44] <nacc> blackflow: right, that's what i was trying to clarify as well
[17:44] <ioria> i see
[17:44] <nacc> ioria: it would take a particular timing of events, but is definitely possible
[17:44] <nacc> so it's not just presenece, but we ned to see the contents; alternatively, just rebuild the initrd now and see if it works (presuming the file has been restored to the default contents)
[17:44] <blackflow> initramfs sounds totally plausible now, given that this started happening after kernel upgrade (which triggered initramfs), and I'm assuming that bad-match .link file was present then, though removed after.
[17:45] <nacc> blackflow: yep, exactly
[17:45] <blackflow> drzraf: put some champagne on ice and update-initramfs -u , reboot :)
[17:46] <jerware> hi
[17:47] <jerware> I dont know weather to apt-get install python-virtualenv or apt-get install virtualenv for python projects.
[17:47] <nacc> blackflow: i'm trying to think if this would be at all detectable, but i think the minimal would be to run the "triggers" for the udev package after making modifications (or reverting modifications) to the config files
[17:47] <igg> jerware, in the terminal
[17:48] <nacc> jerware: did you read their descriptions?
[17:48] <jerware> they match.
[17:48] <nacc> jerware: "they match"?
[17:49] <nacc> jerware: read the last line of each.
[17:49] <nacc> jerware: also what version of ubuntu?
[17:49] <jerware> virtualenv - Python virtual environment creator   vs  python-virtualenv - Python virtual environment creator
[17:49] <nacc> jerware: that's the *short* description
[17:49] <nacc> jerware: read the whole description fiel.d
[17:50] <nacc> jerware: also look at their dependencies, etc. it becomes clear how they releate
[17:50] <jerware> how do I get that information?
[17:51] <nacc> jerware: `apt-cache show ...`
[17:52] <drzraf> The initrd lib/systemd/network/99-default.link  == the content of the former (buggy) file /etc/systemd/network/99-default.link !! You got it
[17:52] <ksbalaji> how to solve could not locaate dkms.conf file error
[17:54] <nacc> drzraf: yep
[17:54] <nacc> drzraf: so rebuild the initrd and check it again
[17:55] <nacc> drzraf: and close your upstream bug as PEBKAC
[17:55] <nacc> ksbalaji: please pastebin the entire command and error where you see that
[17:55] <oerheks_> ksbalaji, we need more info that that
[17:56] <oerheks_> ksbalaji, how to solve: give proper information, what ubuntu, what desktop, what are you doing :-)
[17:56] <ksbalaji> I just update using updater. I keep getting this error. I feel that because of this error, nowadays it takes a lot more time for updates.
[17:57] <ioria> ksbalaji, ls   /etc/modprobe.d/dkms.conf
[17:59] <ksbalaji> I  have ubuntu 16.04 running in my acer aspire E 15 laptop.
[18:00] <m0x90> Hello, I noticed that the amd64 package linux-image-4.15.0-24-generic-dbgsym is not in http://ddebs.ubuntu.com/pool/main/l/linux-hwe/. Instead now an unsigned one is present.
[18:03] <ksbalaji> ioria, result of command: ksbalaji@ksbalaji-Aspire:~$ ls   /etc/modprobe.d/dkms.conf  is: /etc/modprobe.d/dkms.conf
[18:19] <luxio> when I click the Calculator icon in the apps list, it won't open
[18:20] <luxio> it does the spinning cursor icon but never opens
[18:20] <luxio> 18.04
[18:21] <lotuspsychje> luxio: what happens when you try gnome-calculator from terminal?
[18:22] <luxio> lotuspsychje: https://pasteboard.co/HsMridP.png
[18:24] <TheRedHacker> hello¿?
[18:24] <leftyfb> Anyone know if there's a way to run a bash function from within a ProxyCommand as part of ssh?
[18:24] <TheRedHacker> leftyfb, no sorry
[18:24] <TheRedHacker> I have a question
[18:25] <TheRedHacker> can I go to another server or something?
[18:25] <leftyfb> !ask | TheRedHacker
[18:25] <tomreyn> !irc | TheRedHacker
[18:26] <tomreyn> for general irc help, /join #freenode
[18:26] <lotuspsychje> luxio: hmm version should be 3.28.1
[18:27] <lotuspsychje> luxio: can you apt-cache policy gnome-calculator please?
[18:29] <lotuspsychje> m0x90: perhaps the #ubuntu-release channel might have a clue on that
[18:29] <Disaster_Area> can someone help me install a font? I'm on Ubuntu 16.04 LTS & I have a .ttf font file I want to install
[18:29] <brainwash> lotuspsychje: does apt-cache list snap installations?
[18:31] <tomreyn> brainwash: no, "snap list" does
[18:31] <lotuspsychje> !fonts | Disaster_Area start here
[18:31] <Disaster_Area> thx
[18:32] <Disaster_Area> I opened the .ttf file and hit the Install button in the font viewer and it said "install failed" btw
[18:33] <oerheks_> nice :-)
[18:33] <oerheks_> that it opens fontviewer *
[18:34] <oerheks_> but you need to make a folder in ... and do ... ( see the wiki : manually)
[18:39] <Disaster_Area> hm actually I think I might have successfully installed it using something I just saw in a Wikihow
[18:39] <m0x90> lotuspsychje: thanks, that channel doesn't seem to exist?
[18:39] <Disaster_Area> now comes the hard part of figuring out how to make LaTeX use it....................
[18:40] <lotuspsychje> m0x90:  Now talking on #ubuntu-release
[18:40] <lotuspsychje> !latex | Disaster_Area continue here
[18:41] <pipegeek> Does anyone know when Firefox 61 is likely to hit the package repositories for bionic?
[18:41] <pipegeek> (or if?)
[18:41] <lotuspsychje> pipegeek: its comming, you can test the snap already if you want :p
[18:41] <pipegeek> okie doke!  Thanks :)
[18:42] <lotuspsychje> pipegeek: keep your system up to date and all things come straight
[18:43] <bapa> Heyo. Just dropped in to get a concensus on how stable 18.04 has been for people so far, since I've been experiencing a lot of `gnome-shell' crashes and other issues lately. How's 18.04 been treating y'all?
[18:43] <PsychoBoB> guys
[18:43] <PsychoBoB> what the version of ubuntu must speed
[18:44] <PsychoBoB> i am using ubuntu 18
[18:44] <compdoc> bapa, Ive only used ubuntu-mate 18.04. works pretty well
[18:44] <PsychoBoB> and deepin, but i dont like deepin
[18:44] <oerheks_> bapa, pretty good, sorry to hear about your crashed, did you do research why this happened?
[18:44] <PsychoBoB> i need other
[18:44] <supermouarf> hello
[18:44] <PsychoBoB> don't slow
[18:44] <bapa> PsychoBoB: Pardon? You mean which version oon of Ubuntu is fastest?
[18:44] <oerheks_> PsychoBoB, download ubuntu from the site
[18:44] <supermouarf> i 'm french
[18:44] <lotuspsychje> !fr | supermouarf
[18:44] <oerheks_> yeah, his question does not make sense , does it?
[18:45] <supermouarf> i have a/join #ubuntu-fr
[18:45] <bapa> PsychoBoB: If I did understand you right, then I'd say avoid the 2016 LTS release. IMO, Unity is really, really slow on the few machines I had it installed on. 18.04 seems much, much speedier for me on the same hardware (I did a clean install from 2016 -> 2018 LTS and it made a huge difference).
[18:46] <eriswans> Has anyone noticed and/or gotten to the bottom of why the latest Xenial images in AWS somehow are automatically installing and running the amazon-ssm-agent snap?
[18:46] <oerheks_> bapa, fud, 16.04 lts is great too
[18:46] <lotuspsychje> bapa: we dont really take polls here, try ubuntu-discuss or offtopic for that
[18:47] <oerheks_> eriswans, because .. https://docs.aws.amazon.com/systems-manager/latest/userguide/ssm-agent.html
[18:47] <oerheks_> EC2 Messaging service thingy
[18:47] <bapa> Right-o, sorry. Didn't figure that'd venture into subjective territory.
[18:48] <eriswans> No, I mean, previous to a couple weeks ago the ssm agent didn't get installed by any means. I just spun up a new xenial instance using a more recent ubuntu ami (official from ubuntu) and the newer ami *does* automatically install it now.
[18:48] <lotuspsychje> bapa: this channel #ubuntu we only take support questions :p
[18:48] <lotuspsychje> !discuss | bapa welcome here
[18:48] <bapa> As far as the crashing goes, I don't mind it happening, since I am a technical user (used to run Gentoo for years on my desktop...). I'm just curious if Gnome 3 has known issues, because I don't want to be embarassed when I go to peddle 18.04 on other people's machines :X
[18:48] <oerheks_> eriswans, correct, SSM Agent is installed, by default, on Amazon Linux base AMIs dated 2017.09 and later.
[18:49] <oerheks_> so you must have 16.04.5 ?
[18:49] <oerheks_> err 16.04.4 release march 1 2018
[18:50] <eriswans> It's automatically installed on "ubuntu/images/hvm-ssd/ubuntu-xenial-16.04-amd64-server-20180627 (ami-759bc50a)", owned by Canonical.
[18:50] <oerheks_> jups
[18:50] <lotuspsychje> bapa: gnome3 is known to be bit heavy, needs (higher) system specs to run smooth
[18:50] <eriswans> That's a quite disruptive change. Where should I have been watching to know it was coming?
[18:51] <nacc> eriswans: you may want #ubuntu-server
[18:51] <lotuspsychje> !dmesg | bapa for the crash look here?
[18:51] <oerheks_> https://docs.aws.amazon.com/ >>> https://docs.aws.amazon.com/systems-manager/latest/userguide/sysman-install-ssm-agent.html
[18:51] <bapa> It does, and it's why all the machines I want to install it on have at least 3GB or 4 GB of RAM. Performs fine on them, just is a bit crashy on multiple machines for me (which coincidentally all have Nvidias, and it makes me wonder if it's related to compositing).
[18:51] <oerheks_> they provide excellent manuals
[18:52] <luxio> lotuspsychje: http://termbin.com/os6u
[18:52] <bapa> So I assume there's some folk here who run Gnome 3 on 18.04, with no issues?
[18:53] <eriswans> @oerheks_ I know exactly what the ssm agent is. What I want to know is why the ubuntu ami's provided by canonical were changed to automatically install it when they previously did not.
[18:53] <lotuspsychje> luxio: hmm i wonder why its not installed? are you on ubuntu-desktop 18.04 or another flavor?
[18:53] <luxio> ubuntu-desktop 18.04
[18:53] <bapa> Also, how serious does Canonical take crash reports from Apport? I've been shamefully keeping my crashes to myself and not submitting them :X
[18:53] <luxio> it shows up on the apps menu lotuspsychje
[18:53] <luxio> the bottom left
[18:53] <nacc> eriswans: as i said, you want a different channel, there is #ubuntu-server and then you jmight be able to get in touch with the AMI creators
[18:53] <nacc> bapa: fairly seriously, if it's in main
[18:53] <lotuspsychje> bapa: clean install or upgrade?
[18:54] <bapa> Clean install. It's probably been a decade since I upgraded Ubuntu in-place~
[18:54] <lotuspsychje> luxio: sudo apt install gnome-calculator
[18:54] <luxio> lotuspsychje: now there's two calculator icons
[18:55] <lotuspsychje> bapa: can you define what sort of crashes occur exactly?
[18:55] <bapa> nacc: but, good to know. I'll submit crash reports if they're from Main. (And pray that base64 memory dump has no embarassing strings in it ;>)
[18:55] <lotuspsychje> luxio: try them both, wich one working?
[18:56] <luxio> lotuspsychje: the one on the right
[18:56] <lotuspsychje> luxio: hmm i should have asked sooner..is your system up to date?
[18:56] <luxio> idk, how do I check?
[18:56] <bapa> lotuspsychje: Sure. It's usually gnome-shell freezing, in which nothing responds, and sometimes immediately or minutes later, it decides to relaunch and things work again. Or sometimes it just freezes and never recovers, where I then have to go to a terminal and restart my X session. Or sometimes gnome-shell crashes, where all my window decorations disappear and I'm just left with windows that can't be
[18:56] <bapa> interacted with.
[18:56] <lotuspsychje> luxio: sudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade
[18:57] <lotuspsychje> bapa: xorg or wayland and on wich nvidia driver version please?
[18:57] <bapa> Video card is Nvidia 560 Ti. Happens on both Nouveau, and Nvidia 390 proprietary drivers.
[18:57] <bapa> Using XOrg. Wouldn't touch Wayland with a 10-foot pole yet.
[18:58] <lotuspsychje> bapa: can you check what drivers avalaible in your system with: ubuntu-drivers list
[18:58] <luxio> speaking of, will 18.10/19.04 be using Wayland since those aren't LTS versions?
[18:58] <nacc> luxio: you want #ubuntu+1 for future release and it's not relevant to ask about 19.04, as that hasn't even started yet
[18:58] <bapa> I mean, I'd submit a bug report for this, but I hate reporting bugs if I feel I'm the only one in the world that has the issue - hence why I am here to ask before I try submitting.
[18:59] <oerheks_> bapa, open a launchpad account, then you can trace your bug
[18:59] <luxio> lotuspsychje: ran those commands, still same problem
[18:59] <oerheks_> all reports are helpfull, some ens just up as data/confirmation, that is also good
[18:59] <luxio> two calculator icons, one working, one not
[18:59] <bapa> Oh, strange, it says I have both nvidia-340 and nvidia-driver-390. Unless the 340 is that one weird, transitional meta package I remember seeing once.
[19:00] <lotuspsychje> bapa: as a test try another driver?
[19:00] <lotuspsychje> luxio: weird, can you findout if they have different versions?
[19:01] <lotuspsychje> !info gnome-calculator bionic | luxio
[19:01] <ioria> bapa, they are both installed ? dpkg -l | grep nvidia | pastebinit
[19:01] <bapa> I could try 340, lotuspsychje. I'll report back if I still have the same issue.
[19:01] <lotuspsychje> bapa: try what ioria suggests
[19:02] <bapa> Oh, I know. I think the 340 from ubuntu-drivers list was just the *candidate* drivers. I definitely *only* have 390 installed.
[19:02] <lotuspsychje> bapa: normally 390 is a good match for bionic..
[19:02] <bapa> https://pastebin.com/raw/1zGFmqq4
[19:03] <bapa> (output from dpkg -l|grep nvidia)
[19:03] <oerheks_> if the 390 gives issues, use the driver ppa
[19:03] <lotuspsychje> bapa: is your card optimus?
[19:04] <bapa> I mentioned my card earlier, but it's an Nvidia GeForce 560 Ti. And FWIW, performance is just fine even for demanding applications.
[19:04] <bapa> At least under 390 (nouveau is a slideshow)
[19:04] <ioria> bapa, and what is the problem ?
[19:05] <bapa> Also anyone have an idea of when the legacy 304 drivers (yes, 304, not a typo of 340) might hit 18.04's official repos? I have an ancient machine with a 6150 Nvidia card, and Nouveau is really problematic. :X
[19:05] <lotuspsychje> ioria: he's getting gnome crashes
[19:05] <ioria> ah
[19:06] <ioria> bapa, no 304 in bionic
[19:06] <ioria> !info nvidia-304
[19:06] <oerheks_> 6150 .. that will run nouveau great.. maybe it will play youtube
[19:06] <lotuspsychje> lol
[19:07] <bapa> I do run Nouveau on it, but it causes the machine to not wake from sleep about 1/10th of the time with a hard freeze :X
[19:07] <ioria> bapa, how often it freezes ? and how ? might be a gdm/mutter issue,
[19:07] <lotuspsychje> bapa: try to tweak your system a bit, install preload, trim down starting services, disable nautilus file index searching in settings, disable animations,..
[19:07] <lotuspsychje> bapa: and run lightweight packages
[19:08] <bapa> Anyhow, thanks for the support everyone. Didn't mean to drag everyone into trying to troubleshoot for me. I just came to ask if this was known. :X
[19:08] <ioria> bapa, try lightdm instead og gdm3
[19:08] <ioria> *of
[19:09] <ftrc> Can I ask a question about the forums here?
[19:09] <lotuspsychje> ftrc: if its ubuntu related, shoot
[19:10] <ftrc> I made a new account SSO, and when I try to access the forums it says  "you do not have permission to access this page. This could be due to one of the following reasons:"
[19:11] <lotuspsychje> !forum | ftrc maybe this can also help?
[19:12] <ftrc> Thank you I will try that one
[19:19] <ethan_> Hey
[19:20] <lotuspsychje> ethan_: welcome, what can we do you for?
[19:20] <ethan_> Are you an admin?
[19:20] <lotuspsychje> ethan_: this channel is for ubuntu questions, volunteers are supporting here
[19:20] <ethan_> Oh.
[19:20] <ethan_> Cool.
[19:21] <ethan_> I have a question.
[19:21] <ethan_> What can you use to record your Desktop on a Raspberry pi 3?
[19:22] <lotuspsychje> ethan_: i like kazam as recording tool
[19:22] <ethan_> Oh me too.
[19:22] <ethan_> I tried that.
[19:22] <ethan_> I think it works. lol
[19:23] <lotuspsychje> !info recordmydesktop | ethan_
[19:24] <oerheks_>  Press Ctr — Alt — Shift –R to start recording what is on your screen. ( standard on 18.04 LTS gnome )
[19:24] <Ubu-1604> question : how do I see the latest VERSION of ubuntu I am running .. I have several commands but during updates I see much later version numbers ... commands like 'lsb_release -a' are not showing the EXACT version I am running.
[19:24] <oerheks_> and hit it again to stop, i think the standard length is 30 sec?
[19:24] <bapa> I feel dumb for asking, but where do I go to actually report a bug? I'm on `/ubuntu/bionic/+bugs' and when I hit "Report a bug", whose URL is "https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/bionic/+filebug", it redirects me to a wiki entry instead. And after scanning the page multiple times, and Ctrl+F-ing like a mad-man, I cannot find a way to get to a page to file a report. :X
[19:25] <lotuspsychje> bapa: from a terminal: ubuntu-bug your-package-here
[19:26] <bapa> lotuspsychje: Okay, thanks. I only skimmed the wiki page because I assumed it was boring, common sense advice to stop the bug tracker from being overloaded :X
[19:27] <PsychoBoB> bapa, yes, i need a interface fastest of ubuntu
[19:28] <PsychoBoB> i am using 18.04
[19:28] <PsychoBoB> and deepin like a theme
[19:28] <PsychoBoB> sorry myenglish isnot good
[19:28] <bapa> lotuspsychje: I assume when I hit "Send" it'll allow me to write-up and fill in information on my own?
[19:29] <lotuspsychje> bapa: your bug will get simulated, you just add the title when its done and add description
[19:30] <lotuspsychje> PsychoBoB: only ubuntu support questions here please
[19:31] <bapa> Okay, thanks. Because the text "Send" itself makes it sound like it does something final. Kinda like having a "Send" button in an email client, which you think will immediately send an email... but it actually just brings you to a window that lets you *compose* an email. :P
[19:32] <bapa> lotuspsychje: Are there any secret URLs that'll give me free reign over how to compose my bug report? I've feeled hundreds in the past on various distros, and "user friendly" forms just slow me down :X
[19:33] <bapa> s/feeled/filed/ (although the anology is apt, since I am swamped with feels due to misbehaving software :P)
[19:33] <lotuspsychje> bapa: not sure if i understand you right, you need help with adding a description?
[19:36] <PsychoBoB> lotuspsychje,
[19:37] <PsychoBoB> what interface I need use?
[19:37] <igg> Could someone give me a hand in mounting a network share with fstab?
[19:37] <lotuspsychje> !fstab | igg start here
[19:37] <PsychoBoB> lotuspsychje,
[19:37] <PsychoBoB> why my left button of mouse dont work fine on ubuntu?
[19:38] <igg> I generally know how to use fstab, but it appears that in 18.04 the way APF is mounted has changed.
[19:38] <igg> *AFP
[19:41] <hggdh> PsychoBoB: all in one line, please
[19:42] <PsychoBoB> oh my god
[19:42] <npgm> I'm looking for a text/cli based network management tool that knows about linux network namespaces. 18.04's netplan has no notion of network namespaces. I need a configuration that will allow me to define the namespaces and the associated interfaces and have this persist on restart.
[19:42] <PsychoBoB> just  rules, nothing of solutioj
[19:42] <PsychoBoB> solutions
[19:42] <igg> lotuspsychje, I have spent a good part of the day reading the help forums on how to mount a afp and none of what I have read seam to work in 18.04
[19:43] <lotuspsychje> PsychoBoB: we can only help, if we understand the question correctly, with all details, all in one line
[19:46] <npgm> is there a irc channel for ubuntu server?
[19:46] <lotuspsychje> !server | npgm
[19:46] <_KaszpiR_> lotuspsychje #ubuntu-server
[19:47] <_KaszpiR_> ow sorry for highlight
[19:47] <npgm> lotuspsychje: thansk
[19:49] <ducasse> igg: have you checked the 18.04 release notes? there might be mention of it there if it has indeed changed.
[19:50] <igg> ducasse, no I have not
[19:51] <lotuspsychje> !releasenotes | igg
[19:52] <igg> lotuspsychje, I aldeay have them pulled up
[19:54] <igg> ducasse, you were correct the release notes had the answer
[19:55] <ducasse> igg: yay :)
[19:55] <Bashing-om> !cookie | ducasse
[20:22] <valhalla_22> Hi ,I am using bionic server, since 30 days, now I desire to get static ip address so that i could ssh from mac terminal [setting in virtulbox:NAT] ,the problem is whenver trying to configure the yaml file via NETPLAN , PING is not working but i get an static IP
[20:23] <valhalla_22> Hi ,I am using bionic server, since 30 days, now I desire to get static ip address so that i could ssh from mac terminal [setting in virtulbox:NAT] ,the problem is whenver trying to configure the yaml file via NETPLAN , PING is not working although I got   static IP  which is non sshable. so plz suggest some steps
[20:25] <blackflow> valhalla_22: so this is a virtualbox VM?
[20:26] <valhalla_22> yeah blackflow
[20:26] <valhalla_22> bionic is installed in vm
[20:26] <blackflow> valhalla_22: you mention virtualbox:NAT, iirc with that setting you can't access the VM from the host
[20:27] <valhalla_22> ok what setting do i need
[20:27] <blackflow> it's been a while since I used virtualbox, so I might give you a wrong answer, but iirc you needed bridge so the VM could get its own IP in your LAN
[20:27] <valhalla_22> when i followed http://hammondslegacy.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=40&t=244 then on pinging it says destination host unreachable.
[20:28] <valhalla_22> means I get an static IP but there is no internet
[20:30] <blackflow> valhalla_22: btw, that tutorial does not say you should set up NAT:    Network, Attached to: Bridged Adapter, Advanced, Adapter Type: Intel PRO/1000 MT Server
[20:30] <blackflow> that's under "VirtualBox Virtual Machine Settings"
[20:31] <valhalla_22> that too tried , but it didnt worked
[20:31] <blackflow> and then also make sure if you can set up static IPs in your LAN, or that you don't conflict with dhcp ranges
[20:31] <valhalla_22> now I am backtracking all method like greedy beelzebub
[20:34] <bapa> Yeah, I generally use Bridged networking to get a VM to get its own IP and all that jazz. Though I have no idea how secure bridged networking is, or if there's a saner way to do it.
[20:35] <valhalla_22> bapa:  from stack overflow Bridged: Your VM will be in the same network as your host, if your host IP is 172.16.120.45 then your VM will be like 172.16.120.50. It can be accessed by all computers in your host network.
[20:35] <valhalla_22> bapa:  bridged is not secure
[20:35] <blackflow> yes, they're sharing the same physical network card
[20:36] <blackflow> valhalla_22: you just had to look up what bridged is, and all of a sudden you know if it is or isn't secure?
[20:36] <valhalla_22> blackflow: when I am doing bridged its working
[20:36] <valhalla_22> i came from legacy linux 14.04 and 16.04 where config was very easy
[20:37] <ZPQ> valhalla_22: you can always try to ask in #vbox
[20:37] <blackflow> valhalla_22: great, then use that. just make sure your static IP is compatible with your LAN requirements
[20:37] <valhalla_22> with introduction of netplan thing, i am facing issues in setting up yaml file
[20:38] <blackflow> valhalla_22: what issues? netplan.io is recommended setup on Ubuntu Bionic. but, you're not forced to use it, you can use networkd files directly.
[20:39] <valhalla_22> blackflow:  ohh really , can you illustrate me on this netwrokd thing
[20:41] <nacc> or ifupdown
[20:41] <newdimension> All of sudden Ubuntu 18 isn't booting on Virtualbox. If I press ESC during boot, I can see "Failed to start Snappy daemon". Then a bunch of ok steps that last one being "user@120.service"
[20:41] <blackflow> valhalla_22: the systemd.network(5) manpage has almost all you need. you can also look up examples on google. or start here to get familiar with netplan (plenty of examples): https://netplan.io/examples
[20:42] <valhalla_22> what if my addresses is 192.168.2.107/24 and then what should be my gateway ?
[20:42] <bapa> valhalla_22: Same as your current router's IP address.
[20:43] <OlofL> Hello i setup an vsftp server, with ftps. it worked fine with nautilus client. but when I connect with filezilla on windows I get some weird messages. "please login with user and pass" error 530
[20:43] <blackflow> valhalla_22: is your host in that subnet?
[20:43] <valhalla_22> blackflow: thanks for link, Now I am comfortable with netplan, i made myself high, stuck to reading since 10hrs.Now i am cool.
[20:43] <bapa> Assuming you want your VM OS to be functionally identical to havinganother machine on the same network.
[20:44] <valhalla_22> blackflow:  what do we mean by host in my subnet , my ip is something 10.2.x.x
[20:45] <newdimension565> I think I had a nick issue that prevented my messages from going through. Can anyone confirm that my question was posted?
[20:46] <blackflow> valhalla_22: the physical cable connecting to your NIC (assuming not wireless), "belongs" to the specific subnet defined by the upstream router. since your VM shares the same NIC and thus the same physical cable, and thus the same subnet, you can only use the same subnet in the VM (unless VLANs but that's... entirely different topic)
[20:46] <bapa> valhalla_22: On your HOST computer, run: `route -n`. The first IP address listed under `Gateway` is probably the Gateway IP you wanna use in the VM.
[20:46] <valhalla_22> my mac is connected to wireless.
[20:47] <blackflow> valhalla_22: so whatever your static IP setup in the VM is, it must mirror your host's, otehr than the IP itself (so same gateway, dns, ...)
[20:47] <valhalla_22> thanks bapa i did.
[20:47] <blackflow> valhalla_22: okay then imagine a virtual, wireless cable :)
[20:48] <bapa> Protip regarding DNS: If you dunno what DNS to use 'cause you're not using DHCP, and you don't know if your router has a DNS server built-in, "8.8.8.8" and "8.8.4.4" are easy-to-remember choices. They're DNS servers run by Google.
[20:49] <valhalla_22> bapa:  thing to note , whenever i did nameservers as you told and as hammond guy, it gave me msg destination host unreachable
[20:49] <nacc> valhalla_22: nameservers are unrealted to routing
[20:49] <blackflow> valhalla_22: did you actually use those same numbers, or did you use the numbers specific to your subnet?
[20:50] <bapa> nacc: but, don't you need to be routed somewhere to even reach a DNS server? :O
[20:50] <valhalla_22> netplan has no thing such as DNS in yaml file , blackflow i used nameservers  -addresses : [8.8.8.8,8.8.4.4]
[20:50] <nacc> bapa: well, yes. But their sentence is invalid.
[20:50] <oerheks> hmm changing netplan in an existing ubuntu vm .. i wonder, why?
[20:51] <blackflow> valhalla_22: the "nameservers" key is the DNS
[20:52] <blackflow> valhalla_22: so first things first. with that static IP, are you in the correct subnet?
[20:52] <nacc> valhalla_22: DNS = Domain Name System (served by "nameservers")
[20:56] <newdimension565> How can I run systemctl status when ubunbut fails to load?
[20:58] <oerheks> one can always boot in previous kernel = recovery mode
[20:58] <valhalla_22> blackflow:  my subnet is 255.255.255.0
[20:58] <bapa> valhalla_22: That sounds about right for most consumer router setups.
[20:59] <newdimension565> @oerheks, right now I have one error "Failed to start Snappy Daemon". Then a bunch of [ok]. But nothing progresses
[20:59] <bapa> Protip: If you know your subnet mask is 255.255.255.0, and something asks you how many bits the mask is. the answer is /24.
[20:59] <blackflow> valhalla_22: that is netmask, not subnet.
[20:59] <bapa> I think he just meant "subnet [mask]".
[20:59] <valhalla_22> nacc: exactly when i did nameservers to be 8888 8844 then it says destination host unreachable
[20:59] <blackflow> valhalla_22: for example, in 192.168.1.2/24   the subnet it 192.168.1.x
[21:00] <blackflow> valhalla_22: so if your host hast that IP, for example, you can only set up your VM in 192.168.1.something   being careful you don't conflict with dhpc range
[21:00] <valhalla_22> blackflow: so here the devil sleeps, conflict of dhcp range !!
[21:00] <blackflow> yeup.
[21:01] <nacc> valhalla_22: changing the nameserver won't make routes unreachable.
[21:01] <valhalla_22> cani see my dhcp range
[21:01] <blackflow> valhalla_22: but your router probably doesn't take the entire /24 for dhcp, you can check the router settings, and assign an addr outside of that range
[21:01] <valhalla_22> nacc it says , addresses 192.168.2.107/24 , gateway4: 192.168.2.1 namesrevers 8888 8844
[21:02] <nacc> valhalla_22: please use a pastebin
[21:02] <blackflow> valhalla_22: what's your host's (mac's) IP address?
[21:02] <oerheks> https://netplan.io/examples
[21:02] <Sparky-UK> Hi, can anyone tell me how to install a ddeb (debug symbols) file?
[21:03] <valhalla_22> it is something 192.168.x.y but when i nat vm told me ip to be 10.0.x.y
[21:04] <blackflow> valhalla_22: 10.0.x.y is virtualbox' internal network
[21:04] <valhalla_22> hmmm
[21:05] <blackflow> valhalla_22: so here the important thing to know is what's x in 192.168.x.y  so that your VM has the same x, but different y
[21:05] <oerheks> there is a wiki, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Debug%20Symbol%20Packages
[21:06] <valhalla_22> 192.168.43.187
[21:07] <valhalla_22> while my vm ip under the bridged network  is 192.168.43.92
[21:07] <blackflow> valhalla_22: that's the host?
[21:07] <blackflow> valhalla_22: oh, so that's what you get with dhcp?
[21:07] <blackflow> 192.168.43.92 ?
[21:07] <oerheks> oh, your host is troubling you, valhalla_22
[21:07] <oerheks> again: changing netplan in an existing ubuntu vm .. i wonder, why?
[21:09] <valhalla_22> blackflow:  when i set my dhcp to something hammonds http://hammondslegacy.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=40&t=244
[21:09] <valhalla_22> infact i copied the whole thing from hammonds
[21:09] <kab0m> leftyfb: bye bye
[21:09] <blackflow> valhalla_22: so you tried to use 192.168.107.2 for your VM?
[21:10] <valhalla_22> yeah
[21:10] <nacc> don't c&p things from the internet.
[21:10] <blackflow> valhalla_22: well you can't if your subnet is 192.168.43.0/24
[21:10] <Sparky-UK> nvm, got it :)
[21:10] <valhalla_22> which i think was silly mistake .
[21:10] <blackflow> valhalla_22: yes. like I said, your VM has to be in the same subnet as the host, because they're on the same network interface.
[21:11] <valhalla_22> yeah now i get it , i am reading networking book to get the idea of networking
[21:11] <blackflow> excellent.
[21:11] <xodiak> sup
[21:12] <valhalla_22> the book is tannebaum which is more noisy it talks more about algorithm instead i want to know other things
[21:12] <blackflow> there's Networking for Dummies
[21:13] <oerheks> vsphere for dummies too?
[21:13] <valhalla_22> i read that book only last 3 chapter were useful , rest were talking about cables and wirecutters
[21:13] <blackflow> oerheks: probably. chances are there's X for dummies for quite a domain of X values :)
[21:13] <valhalla_22> all the book for dummies are bad , i even i got mail from wiley to read sex for dummies , i thought that was spam
[21:14] <blackflow> valhalla_22: https://www.google.com/search?q=networking+basics
[21:14] <Lope> Should I rather start buying USB-C peripherals, and get USB-C to USB-3.0 adapters for backwards compatibility with my old USB2/3.0 stuff? Is USB 3.0 going to disappear?
[21:14] <blackflow> Lope: #hardware
[21:14] <eeos> hi everybody .... Thinkpad X1 Yoga Carbon .... going from 17.10 64bit to 18.04 64bit has halved the battery life
[21:14] <eeos> I did plenty of googling to no avail. Anyone who can help?
[21:15] <bapa> Lope: IIRC, USB-C is just the connector type. You can have USB A, B, and C, but they could be either 2.0 or 3.0 (though I suspect nobody has manufactured USB-C's that use the 2.0 standard).
[21:16] <valhalla_22> eeos:  i think you are correct , many things are moved to python  from c in bionic, which may be probable cause for extra consumption
[21:16] <blackflow> what's moved from c to python? O.o
[21:17] <eeos> valhalla_22: oh, I did no know .... I have some difficulties here .... the battery used to last 10 - 11 hours now is much less and it is a bit of a probelm whne I am going away for a day for work
[21:17] <eeos> What can I do?
[21:18] <valhalla_22> move to 16 its good there!!
[21:19] <eeos> valhalla_22: I do not understand .....
[21:19] <valhalla_22> you can rollback to 16.04 that i wanted to say
[21:19] <AAA_awright> Lope: If you buy a USB-C peripheral it can only go into a USB-C port, there's no converter that changes a USB-C peripheral to a USB-A port
[21:20] <AAA_awright> In therory you can have a USB-3.0 hub that has a USB-C port, but these haven't materalized yet
[21:20] <blackflow> Lope: bapa: AAA_awright: please discuss cabling elsewhere, it's a bit offtopic and noisy here.
[21:21] <AAA_awright> Anyways, I'm here to ask how do I disable the on-screen keyboard for touchscreens?
[21:21] <AAA_awright> It keeps appearing every time I touch the screen and I don't need it. I already have it disabled in Settings.
[21:23] <AAA_awright> "caribou" isn't even installed, it appears, so I'm not sure where the keyboard is coming from.
[21:24] <oerheks> AAA_awright, there is a setting in systemsettings
[21:25] <oerheks> universal access, perhaps you already enabled the panel indicator
[21:29] <AAA_awright> oerheks: Everything in Settings -> Universal Access is turned off
[21:30] <blackflow> eeos: there's a few bugs reported for Ubuntu about spammy journal events. It's possible that those contribute to faster battery depletion.
[21:31] <AAA_awright> Changing Screen Keyboard on/off doesn't seem to change the behavior at all, or pop up a new one
[21:32] <oerheks> i wonder what installed 'caribou'
[21:32] <oerheks> and that it does not respond to universal settings
[21:36] <Soul_Sam1le> are there any quick fixes for games under GNOME? I'm getting 60-100 FPS less in counterstrike and dota compared to unity/plasma/xfce. Gnome shell is obviously interfering. I love the workflow, but this kinda sucks
[21:36] <oerheks> hmm seems to be an mint-cinnamon issue
[21:36] <oerheks> 60-100 FPS less .. wow
[21:37] <Soul_Sam1le> yes, dota2 ran with over 200, now i'm getting 100-150, which is tolerable. but counterstrike dips under 60 and it really feels laggy
[21:37] <Soul_Sam1le> i found some reddit posts, some askubuntu topics with the same question, but nobody had any answers, unfortunately.
[21:37] <blackflow> you spoiled brats can't play anything under 60 fps....
[21:38] <oerheks> maybe better videodrivers for Nvidia, helps
[21:38] <blackflow> meanwhile, phoronix pegs gnome among the most performant for games benchmarks, usually first or second place
[21:38] <oerheks> *if* you have nvidia, ofcourse
[21:38] <blackflow> speaking of which, if nvidia, which nvidia driver?
[21:38] <Soul_Sam1le> well I have nvidia 396 installed
[21:38] <oerheks> from the driver ppa?
[21:39] <Soul_Sam1le> yes, the ppa-graphics-driver source
[21:39] <blackflow> Soul_Sam1le: btw do you have the clock in gnome shell displaying seconds?
[21:40] <Soul_Sam1le> no, only minutes
[21:40] <blackflow> I've read somewhere that there's (or was) a bug where displaying seconds would cause serious performance issues
[21:40] <OlofL> Im looking at a vsftpd setup. Its using ftps, with a users file called /etc/vsftpd.users. But nowhere in /etc/vsftpd.conf can I see that the users file is called. However, I can only auth via users defined in that file. Where is that setting defined?
[21:42] <blackflow> OlofL: probably default path
[21:42] <blackflow> checked the manpages?
[21:42] <squealingcode> OlofL: What are you trying to do?
[21:43] <squealingcode> Do you want to allow all local users?
[21:43] <Soul_Sam1le> oh well, i'll resort to logging into openbox or something for gaming
[21:44] <blackflow> Soul_Sam1le: I'd be very curious to know if that fixed it
[21:45] <OlofL> squealingcode: im trying to figure out a setup which i didnt setup. but i think its intended to use a local database and NOT the users from /etc/passwd
[21:45] <Soul_Sam1le> blackflow: there's no curiosity, i know it works on other desktops/window managers :D
[21:45] <OlofL> blackflow: no reference of /etc/vsftpd.users
[21:46] <squealingcode> OlofL: I see. Does it make any difference if you add 'userlist_enable=NO' to your conf?
[21:47] <squealingcode> I guess the vfstpd daemon itself knows about the file, but I've always seen it referenced to in the vsftpd.conf.
[21:48] <OlofL> squealingcode: no that didnt let me login with a user from /etc/passwd either
[21:48] <OlofL> ubuntu 18.04 here
[21:48] <squealingcode> I'm not sure if user_listenable can override it, but I local_enable is set to YES?
[21:49] <squealingcode> Otherwise I am not really sure, unfortunately.
[21:50] <blackflow> Soul_Sam1le: you mean to say with openbox you don't see such framerate drop?
[21:51] <Soul_Sam1le> blackflow: I'm saying I only see it in GNOME. And Plasma if I don't disable window compositing while gaming, but Plasma is nice enough to do it automatically. Gnome can't do that, seems like it
[21:52] <Soul_Sam1le> blackflow: this whole thing began when i "upgraded" from unity to gnome
[21:52] <blackflow> Soul_Sam1le: I see thanks for teh feedback
[21:53] <AAA_awright> oerheks: there's no 'caribou', isn't that the on-screen keyboard program?
[21:53] <OlofL> squealingcode: local_enable is yes
[21:53] <AAA_awright> Or rather, what's the on-screen keyboard that Ubuntu uses for touch laptops?
[21:53] <blackflow> Soul_Sam1le: btw, seen this?  https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=intel-8400-desktops&num=1
[21:54] <oerheks> AAA_awright, you said caribou, not me
[21:54] <oerheks> so i reacted, it is a mint-cinnamon issue
[21:56] <Soul_Sam1le> blackflow: maybe it's not a problem unless nvidia is involved :/
[21:58] <blackflow> Soul_Sam1le: well I haven't noticed any difference for the games I play, between Ubuntu/GNOME and gentoo/i3wm, except in DooM i Wine'd Steam, and that only in _one_ place in the entire game where framerate dropped to unplayable levels on Ubuntu, while ti only slightly slowed down on gentoo.
[21:58] <blackflow> s/i Wine/in Wine/
[21:59] <Soul_Sam1le> I'm gonna try to downgrade 396 to 390, someone on askubuntu said that they have gaming issues since they upgraded to 396
[21:59] <blackflow> I have yet to test that same scene wiht latest nvidia (396) and vulkan
[22:00] <blackflow> Soul_Sam1le: fwiw, I had massive issues with nvidia 390 and bionic gnome. freezes twice a day wiht nvidia errors in journal
[22:00] <blackflow> upgraded to 396 and they're gone
[22:01] <Soul_Sam1le> well i'll re-upgrade if it becomes worse
[22:01] <oerheks> AAA_awright, " what's the on-screen keyboard that Ubuntu uses " .. you have been there
[22:01] <Soul_Sam1le> it's been a while since i upgraded nvidia drivers through ssh on my phone lol
[22:01] <AAA_awright> hm?
[22:02] <AAA_awright> What's the package that provides the on-screen keyboard for Ubuntu?
[22:19] <Soul_Sam1le> downgrading nvidia from 396 to 390 gives me 40-50 more fps in CS:GO
[22:19] <squealingcode> lol, that's nvidia drivers for ya.
[22:20] <blackflow> Soul_Sam1le: interesting.
[22:20] <Soul_Sam1le> i just hope there won't be any weird side-effects
[22:20] <Sven_vB> there seems to be a new setting in Thunar that I have to opt-in to execute shell scripts as their default open action. does anyone know where that setting is?
[22:22] <squealingcode> Sven_vB: I believe this is what you're looking for? https://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?t=202303
[22:23] <Sven_vB> squealingcode, that's a neat work-around at least. thanks!
[22:24] <squealingcode> Sven_vB: You may also be interested in this thread. I am not sure if it's applicable in Ubuntu, but may be worth a read. https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=194464
[22:25] <Sven_vB> thanks!
[22:41] <krobzaur> Heyo, I'm running a ubuntu 16.04 on a macbook pro and I'm having wifi troubles with the newest kernel, version 4.13.0-45. Anyone else having issues?
[23:20] <gambl0re> i configured opendns on my wifi settings but its still not blocking harmful sites
[23:24] <hggdh> gambl0re: I am sorry, but why would it detect harmful sites?
[23:24] <pavlos> gambl0re: are you using ipv6?
[23:24] <gambl0re> opendns has family shield which is what its supposed to do
[23:25] <zmugg> randolf, are you here man?
[23:25] <oerheks> zmugg, wrong channel dude
[23:26] <zmugg> are you sure?
[23:26] <hggdh> gambl0re: I guess you have to take it with them
[23:26] <oerheks> yes, hoover over his name, it does not show logged in, in this channel
[23:27] <zmugg> ok, thx, bye
[23:27] <oerheks> :-)
[23:28] <oerheks> gambl0re, take the advise from ##linux: see opendns about it
[23:28] <guiverc> gambl0re, from what i can see, family shield is an option for opendns; not a default.
[23:29] <gambl0re> i got it working before but i had to take it off. but now when i try putting it back on its not working.
[23:29] <gambl0re> anyways seems like you guys dont know much. thanks anyways
[23:30] <pavlos> gambl0re: test it with https://welcome.opendns.com/oops/
[23:30] <gambl0re> pavlos?
[23:30] <pavlos> gambl0re: yes
[23:31] <gambl0re> same pavlos from before?
[23:31] <guiverc> gambl0re, we support Ubuntu, opendns is a corporate product from what I saw that is not Ubuntu related
[23:31] <pavlos> gambl0re: I assume ... that's my name since birth
[23:32] <pavlos> gambl0re: did I help in the past?
[23:32] <gambl0re> your name sounds similar. maybe it was someone else. anyways
[23:47] <ZaZaQR> hello
[23:48] <oerheks> :-)
[23:52] <Sheilong> I am having trouble with my nvidia card.
[23:53] <Sheilong> suddenly I wasn't able to log into and still yet to he default desktop
[23:53] <Sircle> e
[23:53] <Sheilong> The error showed in /var/log/Xorg.0.log https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/yoegCUuo/
[23:53] <Sheilong> I have no idea about what to do to fix
[23:53] <Sheilong> Any help is welcome
[23:54] <Max-P> Hi, suddenly as of today my Ubuntu VM has started taking 2-3 *minutes* to boot instead of the usual 5-10 seconds. Any ideas why? Here's the systemd plot: https://d.max-p.me/irc/ubuntu-boot-slow.svg
[23:56] <Max-P> Sheilong: How did you install the driver? Also check dmesg, it seems that the kernel module is not starting or failing to load up the card, likely because nouveau grabs it before
[23:57] <Sheilong> Max-P: I don't remember how I installed, this started to happening today just when I turned the PC on, yesterday was working fining
[23:57] <gambl0re> how do you check your dns server ip?
[23:57] <Max-P> gambl0re: systemd-resolve --status
[23:57] <Sheilong> dmesg does point no error
[23:58] <Max-P> Sheilong: did you possibly install it straight from the nvidia website instead of the repo? Sounds like the typical "breaks after kernel update" situation
[23:58] <gambl0re>          DNS Servers: 208.67.222.222
[23:58] <gambl0re>                       208.67.220.220
[23:58] <gambl0re> how long does it usually take for dns servers to update?