| ricotz | chrisccoulson, hi, you can find a tarball for thunderbird 52.9.0 here https://launchpad.net/%7Emozillateam/+archive/ubuntu/ppa/+packages | 06:01 |
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| seb128 | good morning desktopers | 07:28 |
| jibel | hi seb128 | 07:34 |
| seb128 | lut jibel | 07:40 |
| seb128 | jibel, thanks for the testing on bug #1778817 | 07:42 |
| ubot5 | bug 1778817 in ubuntu-release-upgrader (Ubuntu Bionic) "release upgrade from xenial to bionic desktop: screen locks itself, password to unlock fails" [Critical,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1778817 | 07:42 |
| duflu | Morning seb128, jibel. Anyone feel the need for a BT meeting? | 07:53 |
| seb128 | duflu, hey, I don't, I'm currently looking at your bionic SRU but that's the only bluetooth thing I've been dealing with recently. do you? | 07:56 |
| duflu | seb128, no, nothing. I guess you could count the PulseAudio12 update too | 07:56 |
| duflu | Almost nothing | 07:56 |
| seb128 | I need to look at that MIR | 07:56 |
| seb128 | it's on my todo as well :) | 07:56 |
| duflu | I could drop the prereq but it's been requested since last year | 07:57 |
| seb128 | let's skip the bluetooth hangout then, willcooke is having computer issues apparently so he's not around | 07:57 |
| seb128 | seems like we don't like full disks | 07:57 |
| seb128 | duflu, the update can stay in proposed for a bit while the MIR is sorted out, let's try to move forward and get the issue resolved rather than workaround around | 07:59 |
| jibel | Hi duflu , I've nothing for the meeting. | 07:59 |
| jibel | seb128, I'm trying to reproduce the 1st part of the bug now. | 07:59 |
| seb128 | k | 08:00 |
| duflu | Hmm, mutter's timing is still terrible. Even complex animations render in under 3ms and I can't get it to run faster than 43 FPS | 08:02 |
| Laney | moin | 08:02 |
| duflu | Morning Laney | 08:02 |
| willcooke | BOOOOOOOOOOOM | 08:03 |
| willcooke | Fixed | 08:03 |
| duflu | Morning willcooke | 08:03 |
| willcooke | afternoon duflu | 08:03 |
| seb128 | hey Laney willcooke | 08:03 |
| willcooke | We need to look in to how we can make things less bad when you run out of disk space | 08:04 |
| seb128 | willcooke, rm ~/Videos/somepornmovies? ;) | 08:04 |
| willcooke | I won't delete my porn for anyone | 08:04 |
| willcooke | So, fun story | 08:04 |
| willcooke | I had a Raspberry Pi which was running some house services stop working yesterday | 08:04 |
| willcooke | Couldnt get the thing to boot at all, so I took the SD card out and tried to mount it here | 08:05 |
| willcooke | The thing was screwed | 08:05 |
| willcooke | I used disktest to recover some files which was very slow, so after the football finished I just left it running over night | 08:05 |
| willcooke | This was an 8GB SD Card | 08:05 |
| willcooke | testdisk must have got in to some strange loop | 08:06 |
| willcooke | the recovered folder (after I delete a 14GB postfix spool file) is...... | 08:06 |
| willcooke | (still counting) | 08:06 |
| alexarnaud | Morning willcooke seb128 andyrock jbicha Trevinho duflu and all | 08:06 |
| willcooke | ((I think there must be some horrible recursive directory in itself thing going on) | 08:07 |
| willcooke | ) | 08:07 |
| willcooke | 26 GB | 08:07 |
| willcooke | so 40GB of files on an 8GB SD card | 08:07 |
| willcooke | ?! | 08:07 |
| willcooke | anyway, left it running over night, came down this morning, couldn't unlock my machine | 08:07 |
| willcooke | couldnt switch to a different vt | 08:07 |
| duflu | A couple of users report their disks get filled with gigabytes of gnome-shell logging. I can't reproduce it myself | 08:08 |
| willcooke | could get it to boot in to single user mode | 08:08 |
| willcooke | and it wouldn't boot normally, lots of errors about things not starting | 08:08 |
| willcooke | as you might expect | 08:08 |
| willcooke | so I had to boot of a USB stick in to live mode and delete a few files, | 08:08 |
| willcooke | then everything came back to life | 08:09 |
| willcooke | It's totally my fault that the disk filled up | 08:09 |
| willcooke | but I think we need to try and make it more tolerant to such situations | 08:09 |
| willcooke | for the list next cycle. | 08:09 |
| willcooke | THE END | 08:09 |
| willcooke | didrocks, you missed my exciting story | 08:10 |
| jibel | is anyone else seeing a snapd timeout on boot of bionic ? | 08:10 |
| didrocks | willcooke: the one you started on telegram about full disk? | 08:10 |
| jibel | didrocks, hi, I'm reviewing the sru of ubuntu-report. Where is the report stored again? | 08:10 |
| willcooke | jibel, yes, but I put that down to disk being full. Seems ok now | 08:10 |
| willcooke | didrocks, yeah | 08:10 |
| seb128 | I didn't for snapd | 08:11 |
| jibel | willcooke, I'm seeing it on a fresh installation | 08:11 |
| willcooke | jibel, yeah seems to be working ok now | 08:11 |
| seb128 | lut didrocks | 08:11 |
| willcooke | jibel, I'll fire up a VM | 08:11 |
| willcooke | jibel, in fact, I will install my other laptop with the iso I just downloaded | 08:11 |
| seb128 | willcooke, disk full handling was something we worked on the past, but another of those topics were we don't have regular testing and that we regressed of the cycles | 08:11 |
| duflu | willcooke, don't need to fix everything, but making the machine boot and the GUI not freeze would itself be a significant challenge. People write new code that isn't tolerant of it all the time. Even writing a log message to the disk could hang everything if done wrong | 08:12 |
| willcooke | duflu, yeah I expect fixing everything would be impossible, but we should be able to make it better. Not being able to get to a shell if your disk is full SUCKS | 08:13 |
| duflu | Yeah, people report all sorts of failures (in bug reports) when it happens to them | 08:14 |
| willcooke | I'm sure we used to do something which would stop you being able to fill your disk more than 95% | 08:14 |
| didrocks | salut seb128 | 08:16 |
| Laney | willcooke: you're probably thinking of the ext4 reserved block count | 08:19 |
| Laney | root can write to that though | 08:19 |
| Laney | moin didrocks | 08:19 |
| didrocks | hey Laney | 08:21 |
| jibel | willcooke, by default there is 5% of the blocks reserved for privileged processes | 08:21 |
| jibel | tune2fs -l <dev> will tell you how much on your system | 08:22 |
| seb128 | willcooke, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BootLoginWithFullFilesystem | 08:24 |
| seb128 | is what we did in the past | 08:24 |
| seb128 | so I think it's one of those polish feature that would be nice to work on | 08:25 |
| seb128 | we need to debug what components are having issues | 08:25 |
| Laney | yeh, that would be a nice task to do | 08:26 |
| willcooke | ah yeah, this process had to run as root | 08:26 |
| willcooke | I've added it to the list for next cycle anyway | 08:26 |
| seb128 | good | 08:26 |
| seb128 | like that spec ^ mentions | 08:27 |
| seb128 | At boot time, check whether /tmp has at least 1Mby free. (This should be done after filesystems are mounted and after /tmp has been cleaned.) | 08:27 |
| seb128 | If not, mount a 1Mby tmpfs over /tmp. | 08:27 |
| seb128 | I bet we lost some of those things over time | 08:27 |
| willcooke | jibel, just booted a newly installed machine, snapd seems to be running ok | 08:27 |
| seb128 | changing to systemd etc | 08:27 |
| Laney | that's going to touch foundations areas too | 08:27 |
| seb128 | likely | 08:27 |
| Laney | which is a gentle way of me suggesting it for brussels :-) | 08:28 |
| seb128 | willcooke, the fact that you said you couldn't get to grub sounds weird though | 08:28 |
| seb128 | Laney, yeah, that's probably the right venue to discuss topics for next cycle | 08:28 |
| willcooke | I looked at the Brussels spreadsheet yesterday to see if I could add sessions, but not yet it seems. Laney, if I forget can you try and remember? | 08:28 |
| seb128 | willcook_e said he's putting it on the list | 08:29 |
| willcooke | I put it on the product roadmap list | 08:29 |
| seb128 | willcooke, just put a google calendar reminder? | 08:29 |
| seb128 | like for before Brussel with "add fulldisk boot to the agenda" | 08:29 |
| seb128 | computers are good at those reminders :p | 08:29 |
| jibel | willcooke, and it booted reasonably fast? | 08:30 |
| willcooke | seb128, done | 08:30 |
| willcooke | jibel, yeah, seems fine | 08:30 |
| willcooke | jibel, I'll upgrade everything and try again | 08:31 |
| seb128 | willcooke, :) | 08:31 |
| willcooke | didrocks, jibel - can you take a look at this post and see if we can help lubuntu & kubuntu with using ubuntu-report? https://community.ubuntu.com/t/extending-ubuntu-report/6851 | 08:32 |
| willcooke | seb128, fyi ^ | 08:32 |
| jibel | willcooke, which image did you use? | 08:32 |
| jibel | daily or release? | 08:33 |
| willcooke | jibel, release | 08:33 |
| * willcooke downloads daily | 08:33 | |
| jibel | willcooke, I had this issue with the daily image | 08:33 |
| didrocks | willcooke: I'm in the board meeting, is it something to be done today? | 08:33 |
| seb128 | willcooke, I saw that discussion yesterday evening, thanks for the ping though :) | 08:33 |
| willcooke | jibel, will try again. Yesterday Mark Murphy pinged to stay he couldnt get networking in a vm on the daily image too, but said he would try some stuff and report back, but didnt | 08:34 |
| willcooke | didrocks, whenever you get time | 08:34 |
| willcooke | I dont think there is an immediate rush | 08:34 |
| didrocks | sure | 08:35 |
| willcooke | jibel, this one? http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xenial/daily-live/current/xenial-desktop-amd64.iso | 08:35 |
| willcooke | didrocks, merci | 08:35 |
| duflu | jibel, are the daily images installing yet? Last I tested 20180627 which was "current" it would crash on both systems I tried | 08:35 |
| duflu | (a long way into installation) | 08:36 |
| seb128 | duflu, bionic or cosmic? | 08:36 |
| duflu | seb128, cosmic daily | 08:36 |
| seb128 | duflu, they are talking about bionic there | 08:36 |
| duflu | ok | 08:36 |
| jibel | duflu, yes | 08:36 |
| seb128 | but cosmic should work | 08:36 |
| seb128 | do you have a report of the problem you hit? | 08:37 |
| duflu | seb128, no, it was late at night and I had too many things to deal with | 08:37 |
| jibel | seb128, it was a problem with missing efi files | 08:37 |
| seb128 | k, no worry | 08:37 |
| seb128 | seems like it's known anyway from what jibel just said | 08:37 |
| jibel | then grub failing to remove some files | 08:37 |
| duflu | That was a different bug with efi. I'm talking about a new issue after the fix | 08:37 |
| seb128 | jibel, "was" so it's fixed now? | 08:38 |
| seb128 | ah | 08:38 |
| duflu | Nevermind. When I get time I'll try fresher images | 08:38 |
| jibel | duflu, there was a dependency issue with grub that the installation fail. It's fixed now but if there is anything else please file a report and i'll have a look | 08:39 |
| willcooke | <seb128> willcooke, the fact that you said you couldn't get to grub sounds weird though | 08:49 |
| willcooke | I think that is probably because my laptop starting thinking the shift key was stuck and ignored it | 08:50 |
| willcooke | but I couldnt fix it by powering off and back on | 08:50 |
| willcooke | I'd still say it's a laptop issue rather than a software issue. I'll play around when I get time | 08:50 |
| seb128 | k, that would make sense | 08:51 |
| seb128 | it's likely that the ENOSPACE issue start with gdm/login manager | 08:52 |
| seb128 | as that was the case in the gutsi time when we first looked at it | 08:52 |
| seb128 | probably similar reason, some auth file that needs to be written on disk and can't | 08:52 |
| ricotz | hey desktopers | 08:57 |
| seb128 | hey ricotz | 08:58 |
| ricotz | there seems to be some delay regarding libreoffice updates | 08:58 |
| willcooke | gah. stupid idiot. I downloaded the xenial image. | 08:59 |
| ricotz | is there a need for a prepared libreoffice 6.0.5 package? | 08:59 |
| ricotz | see https://launchpad.net/~libreoffice/+archive/ubuntu/ppa/+packages | 08:59 |
| seb128 | ricotz, right, our maintainer is on paternity leave and we don't have enough resources to have backup maintainers :/ I guess any help on getting the updates ready will make the work easier once he's back | 09:04 |
| ricotz | seb128, so you want to wait for him to come back before pushing an update? | 09:05 |
| seb128 | "want" is a bit strong | 09:06 |
| ricotz | I have pushed the relevant changes to the packaging branches so it is there to be picked up | 09:06 |
| seb128 | I don't think we have a choice | 09:06 |
| ricotz | ok | 09:06 |
| seb128 | ricotz, I just looked at our calendar, Olivier is supposed to be back tomorrow | 09:07 |
| ricotz | (libreoffice 6.1 rc will be available this week which is the target series for cosmic) | 09:07 |
| seb128 | so not long to wait | 09:07 |
| ricotz | ah good then | 09:07 |
| seb128 | then I guess he's going to have some backlog so unsure what his priorities are, but I guess getting libreoffice updated is going to be on his list | 09:08 |
| ricotz | alrighty | 09:08 |
| willcooke | woo. Hard lock up | 09:46 |
| willcooke | (while still scanning that SD card) | 09:46 |
| willcooke | jamesh, ace job on the snap themes howto | 10:04 |
| jamesh | willcooke: hopefully we can cut down on the boilerplate once templates are a thing | 10:04 |
| jamesh | willcooke: is the screenshot I added to the blog draft okay? It's hard to do something that doesn't just look like a file chooser | 10:07 |
| willcooke | jamesh, where am I looking? | 10:08 |
| jamesh | willcooke: the "Support for XDG Desktop Portals" section | 10:08 |
| jamesh | the 18.04.1 blog draft | 10:09 |
| willcooke | ah, got ya. yeah, that'll do nicely, thanks | 10:12 |
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| willcooke | oh, jibel I forgot - installed daily and it seems fine. What should I be looking for? | 10:42 |
| jibel | willcooke, is there any timeout for snapd in the journal? | 10:53 |
| jibel | willcooke, is it with bionic daily? | 11:04 |
| jibel | willcooke, this is the image I tried http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/bionic/daily-live/pending/ | 11:04 |
| willcooke | jibel, http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/bionic/daily-live/current/bionic-desktop-amd64.iso | 11:04 |
| willcooke | will retry with pending | 11:05 |
| jibel | willcooke, it shouldn't make any difference. | 11:06 |
| jibel | willcooke, I'll have a look on my system | 11:06 |
| willcooke | I see snapd starting | 11:06 |
| willcooke | no obvious problems | 11:07 |
| willcooke | jibel, you want this log somewhere? | 11:07 |
| jibel | willcooke, yes please to compare with my boot. journalctl -b -o short-monotonic in a pastebin will be fine | 11:10 |
| willcooke | jibel, https://pastebin.com/eK0bDcsR | 11:11 |
| jibel | willcooke, thanks | 11:15 |
| jibel | seb128, no way to reproduce the screen lock during upgrade issue with 16.04 to 18.04. I tried with the garphical and text upgrader with a user or root and the screen lock is always inhibited. I'm wondering if I experienced it with 17.10 instead. I'll try that to confirm | 11:16 |
| Laney | nothing like a good tidy up rebase session | 11:32 |
| Laney | rearranged the stuff so there's all mergable things and then one small switchover commit | 11:32 |
| * Laney proposed | 11:32 | |
| Laney | s | 11:32 |
| seb128 | jibel, thanks for testing | 11:39 |
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| seb128 | do we have people around who are still on bionic and have livepatch enabled? do you see sometime notifications about livepatch updates? | 13:59 |
| willcooke | o/ | 14:09 |
| willcooke | and no | 14:09 |
| Laney | I just enabled it | 14:09 |
| Laney | and it did Jul 04 15:09:00 nightingale canonical-livepatch[12007]: Applied patch version 40.7 to 4.15.0-23.25-generic | 14:09 |
| Laney | but I didn't get a notification, should I have? | 14:09 |
| Laney | oops I forgot to eat lunch, back soon | 14:10 |
| seb128 | andyrock, ^ | 14:23 |
| seb128 | bug #1780093 | 14:23 |
| ubot5 | bug 1780093 in update-notifier (Ubuntu) "Livepatch notifier didn't trigger when a livepatch was applied" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1780093 | 14:23 |
| seb128 | Laney, oh, and thanks for testing and enjoy your lunch :) | 14:45 |
| Laney | was a good lunch | 14:54 |
| Laney | oh MY | 15:08 |
| Laney | I just learned about edit-and-execute-command | 15:08 |
| Laney | type a command and then hit ctrl-x ctrl-e in bash | 15:08 |
| Laney | probably one of those things that everyone knows about apart from me :-) | 15:09 |
| Laney | that and 'fc' | 15:10 |
| willcooke | oooooh | 15:28 |
| willcooke | nice | 15:28 |
| willcooke | Laney, your snapd blocking issue could be related to waiting for entropy | 15:59 |
| willcooke | m_vo is on the case, natch | 15:59 |
| Laney | o rly | 16:00 |
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| Laney | seb128: did you want to try merging the latest gvfs upload(s) into git? | 16:21 |
| Laney | only noticed because it broke my hint :-) | 16:21 |
| Laney | been trying to push things through proposed on the side today | 16:22 |
| Laney | k, everything systemd --user is merge proposed now | 16:48 |
| Laney | early start for the train tomorrow, so o/ | 16:48 |
| Laney | will try to be online from it | 16:48 |
| seb128 | Laney, yeah, I noticed after doing the changes, but I wanted to get that SRU out today | 16:48 |
| seb128 | I plan to read the git documentation from Didier while travelling tomorrow | 16:48 |
| seb128 | then I can have a look to put that new knowledge in use | 16:49 |
| seb128 | but feel free to merge that one for me if you need to pile up other changes, I'm sure I can find another one to do :) | 16:49 |
| seb128 | Laney, well done, enjoy your evening and safe travel tomorrow | 16:49 |
| * seb128 has a plane at 7:45, going to be an early start so I'm going to wrap now as well | 16:50 | |
| willcooke | night all, safe travels tomorrow | 17:31 |
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