[00:22] I have a problem with opendns [00:24] What? does it allow dangerous sites? [00:25] I think so [00:53] pick one of the others then, there's no shortage lately [00:54] could well be, that we hear in hours that opendns was vulnerable [00:54] gamblore, now hggdh [00:55] one might as well open a ##opendns channel, to spot [00:56] https://quad9.com https://1.1.1.1/ https://developers.google.com/speed/public-dns/ [00:56] but i'm not sure i'm getting the issue properly [00:58] 'vulnerable sites'... maybe the browser says so [01:01] google safebrowsing might [01:03] "You have until July to Install SSL or Google will mark your site “Not Secure” [01:03] ah [01:04] TLS 1.1+ rather [01:04] http sites like some of canonical, http://torrent.ubuntu.com:6969/ will be blocked [01:04] TLS 1.3 .. that is key feature in FF 61 [01:04] maybe why its impossible to build it ;) [01:05] also because of 32 bit, i read back? [01:05] and translations [01:06] probbaly rathe rthose, i would guess tls 1.3 will be smooth. [01:07] * oerheks hits update icon [01:08] you have 17.10 .. yeah yeah [01:08] laptop is 18.04 [01:09] hmm, sounds unhealthy [01:11] i am not a laptop person, actually [01:14] and i have those handy bags for doorstopper [01:18] bags for door stoppers instead of laptops? [01:21] yes, bags with sand, like this https://cdn.agradiservices.net/products/1200x1200/es-lh118.79e706.jpg [01:21] also silica, but different [01:22] .. or an aspire 5738g [01:31] :)) [01:32] just smash the door, problem solved [01:38] my chihuahua would love that [01:39] https://www.dropbox.com/s/e3wr0nahq2ibuvi/DrabberEnIkOpPaard.JPG?dl=0 [02:00] is it a bit angry at times? or does it just like the open door policy? [02:10] he likes to greet people, nosy little raskal [02:11] and yes, if you are impressed by his bark, then you have no life :-D [02:11] but he does it friendly, attention seeker, like his master [02:40] oerheks: yes, I was referring to gambalore (or whatever is the nick) [02:42] :-) [03:56] good morning to all [04:04] cool, update-manager is deleting unused kernels [04:05] https://imgur.com/a/YRJY5pE [05:13] updated https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-manager/+bug/1779723 [05:13] Ubuntu bug 1779723 in update-manager (Ubuntu) "[Wishlist] Add a GUI option autoremove kernel cleanup on updates" [Wishlist,Incomplete] [06:07] Good morning [06:23] morning lordievader [06:30] Hey EriC^^ , how are you? [07:03] good morning [07:06] Hey ducasse [07:06] How are you doing? [07:07] hi lordievader - all good here, thanks. and you? [07:07] Doing good here 😁 [07:07] good, all is well with the world ;) [10:09] 'Morning folks [10:30] hey BluesKaj \o [10:30] do anything special for Canada day? :) [10:32] 'Morning daftykins, yeah we had a get together and jammed off and on all day and well into the evening...it was a good time ;-) [10:33] :D sounds good [10:35] yeah, takes me 2 days to recover and this heat isn't helping any. my old a/c unit has a difficult time keeping up, but it sure helps nontheless [10:36] had quite some warmth here, but we're not really a region for having AC in homes [10:37] thankfully all that property work i had done last year has vastly improved the deflection of the heat out of my roof - and the 17th century granite walls at ground level work nicely to keep at least the ground floor cool :D [11:17] * BluesKaj nods ...nice [11:21] great fun with learning to be compliant with necessary regulations for my clients with card machines today, oof :P [11:21] card machines? ..... [11:22] oh you mean readers [11:23] credit and debit card readers? [11:35] Any apple magic mouse 2 like mouse which is guaranteed to work with ubuntu? [11:37] daftykins: Those things are quite strict, right? [11:39] I ask because a screwed an magic mouse under elemetaryOS. (and i like the comfort of an flat mouse) [11:40] BluesKaj: yep [11:41] lordievader: yeah it looks like i'm going to have to buy a router with multiple interfaces so the card machine can be totally segmented from their office LAN [11:41] which amusingly is exactly what i thought on the first day i saw they'd gotten one - but i was never consulted on it :) [11:42] heh, at first iwas imaging those ancient unix machines i saw at the local U in 1970 :-) [11:42] Ah, the classic case of 'I could have told you so' 😋 [11:42] indeed :) [11:42] BluesKaj: :D before my time, the old punch card [11:42] yup [11:43] I MUST be getting old ...sheesh [13:57] Hi [13:59] hi mystic [14:02] good afternoon to all [14:03] Hey lotuspsychje [14:04] hey there BluesKaj can you heat yourself? [14:04] lotuspsychje, ? [14:04] summer heat [14:05] yeah it's going up to 33C here today ... got the a/c on already to give it a head start :-) [14:06] 28c here today, we went for few hours swim BluesKaj [14:07] nice\ [14:07] in tropical swimparadise [14:08] with outside pool [14:12] we have a lake 2km away, but it's a beach, there's no dock to dive from [14:12] BluesKaj: water a bit clean? [14:13] water's clean, it's a spring fed mountain type lake [14:13] nice [14:15] we don't have real mountains ,they're ancient shield mountains , billions of yrs old that have been ground down to a few hundred meters at the highest points [14:16] glaciers and manay ice ages later [14:16] nice [14:16] it's ok [14:17] lots of lakes in this area, very few people have pools, but many have summer cottages on the lakes [14:18] or by the lakes rather [14:18] BluesKaj: but if it comes from the mountains, water is pretty cold right? [14:19] yes, the local lake is still cool , it will be warm enough for swimming after this heat wave , 20C or so [14:20] the water come from springs which are deep down in the earth's crust not from any mountain streams [14:21] i see [14:23] welcome mystic [14:23] thanks [14:25] i was in here yesterday [14:25] mystic: nice you found us [14:25] took the plunge and installed ubuntu on my ssd [14:25] hey lotuspsychje [14:25] mystic: ah your the guy with ubuntu sd persistent [14:25] hey sonicwind [14:26] everything still going well, mystic? [14:26] sd persisnetnt? [14:26] no ,just standard ubuntu i think [14:26] sorry, one hand typing, eating [14:26] mystic: did you have ubuntu installed on an sd card? [14:27] 64gig? [14:27] yes [14:27] lol [14:27] see its you :p [14:27] I use mine from an external docked HD [14:27] lol.. so it is [14:27] How fast is that sd card? [14:28] we told him yesterday it would bottleneck ubuntu lordievader [14:28] thats why he installed on ssd now [14:28] Hehehe, that is quite the difference ;) [14:28] im not sure [14:28] samsung evo [14:29] always good to make sure you have some sort of live media though... I can't believe how many times it has helped me [14:29] sd would die from too many writes in no time at all, they good for booting a RPI tho [14:30] rpi? [14:30] they're [14:30] mystic: raspbery pi [14:30] oh ok [14:30] arm architecture [14:31] what made you decide to try Ubuntu, mystic? [14:31] * daftykins points at the penguin in the room [14:31] it was him, he makes us all [14:31] lol [14:31] lol [14:31] hehe [14:31] ben trying it on and off for yours. ther ewas always something about it i liked, the aesthetic.. but in the past i could never get enough done on it. but now it seems its evolved enough for a relative newbie like me to use [14:32] mystic, perhaps your experience has "eveolved" :-) [14:32] yeah penguin got it nice togheter this time [14:32] hardly lol [14:33] oops evolved [14:33] I'm just past 2 1/2 years in... I had enough of M$ and decided it was worth a try... still have a Win 7 system, but using Ubuntu more [14:33] uhuh [14:33] i like wind 7.. just a bit heavy [14:33] win* [14:34] i dont have the patience anymore for windows [14:34] I love w7... but I know it isn't going to last forever [14:34] and I'll be damned if I'm ever going to give MS another chance at something else [14:34] only 18 more months until 7 goes EOL in fact [14:34] lol [14:34] perhaps windows 11 sonicwind :p [14:34] eol? [14:34] end of life [14:35] !eol | mystic [14:35] mystic: End-Of-Life is the time when security updates and support for an Ubuntu release stop, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases for more information. Looking to upgrade from an EOL release? See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EOLUpgrades [14:35] ohh [14:35] W7 is a good OS , W10 is awful [14:35] works for me :) [14:35] heh [14:36] I stopped upgrading my Win 7 system years ago... never been more stable. Yes, I have everything else covered... NoScript, AdBlockPlus, etc. [14:36] updating [14:36] I swear MS puts out crap updates so people go out and buy new systems. [14:37] Windows Update on 7 did go funny since 10's release, but i have the 3 updates you need to fix that in a zip [14:37] also, when they released the May 2016 update rollup which was essentially as close to a Service Pack 2 as Windows 7 was ever going to get, i made up my own custom ISO with it integrated [14:37] thankfully I stopped updating Win 7 *before* all their updates to force you to Win 10 [14:37] so whenever i have the misfortune of needing to reinstall 7 instead of move to 10 for a client, i install from that, apply the 3 updates in the zip, then Windows Update is fine [14:37] i gave up on Windows , Kubuntu does what i need without much fuss [14:38] yeah they stopped releasing those actually, so that's a moot point now [14:38] i have plenty of clients on 7 that are running it fine [14:38] win 10 is a bit hit and miss for me. but can be ok for a basic user. i hated how they prety much forced the update on to eveyone tho. my two other old computers were running win 7, and win 10 install popped up. it didint work properly on both [14:38] scandalous [14:38] I still don't trust that they stopped doing those, daftykins [14:38] well i can tell you it's fact :) [14:38] they completely violated my trust over the years [14:39] didn't get any trouble with the alleged forcing of updates myself [14:39] i firmly believe that the people who ended up moved to 10 clicked something as part of their standard rushed attempts to dismiss on-screen prompts [14:39] yeah a steady hand can get any Os straight [14:40] lotus' tale from the other morning of a 'buntu customer who hadn't been installing updates continues to seal my confidence that users are the same no matter which OS you're on :D [14:40] true this [14:41] too many of the updates screw things up, regardless of the OS it seems... I've learned to keep a backup. Just recently read about Timeshift and plan to try that out. [14:42] yeah no argument there from me [14:42] MS did some kinda USB driver screwup the other day, it only affected a friends wifes PC though :D [14:42] I'm using fsarchiver for the backup [14:42] shame ubuntu doesnt have a system image back up option [14:42] !backup [14:42] There are many ways to back your system up. Here's a few: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BackupYourSystem , https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DuplicityBackupHowto , https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HomeUserBackup , https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MondoMindi - See also !sbackup and !cloning [14:42] no USB devices would work so you couldn't even use mouse+kb to interact with it - i have some old PS/2 peripherals though so they brought it to me [14:43] there are plenty of options :) [14:43] but not sure a system imag eback up is one of them? [14:43] clonezilla maybe [14:43] but u may have t orun windows for that [14:43] no you don't [14:44] it's a bootable Linux ISO [14:44] hmm [14:44] but full system is a total waste of time [14:44] agree [14:44] systme image is good for me i think [14:44] mystic check out fsarchiver [14:44] saves me reinstalling the tweaks and fixes etc [14:44] you'd be better off learning to script them for a new install :> [14:44] mystic: just abckup /home with all config files? [14:44] sounds dangeroulsy difficult lol [14:44] backup [14:45] but if you're planning to require a full reimage theeeen i think it's fair to say you're planning to fail with the OS to begin with :D [14:45] fail how? [14:45] with the idea that you'd have to revert to said backup [14:46] another approach -> 'buntu OS installed on the SSD, but /home on a 2 disk RAID1 volume [14:46] not a fail for me, just a safety measure. after ages of tweaking, why relearn or go thru al lthat again [14:46] that'd be the ideal [14:46] mystic: choosing an LTS, installing tweaks every 5 years? [14:46] well you'll be surprised how quickly things change on any desktop OS anyway, what you learn today could be useless next month [14:47] every 5 years is fine.. but if it fails in between, id have to do again [14:47] hence RAID that /home :) [14:47] i only have one disk in this laptop though [14:47] mystic: ubuntu doesnt just fail in between easy [14:47] hmm [14:47] disks can though [14:48] unless you have bad disk yeah, and that daftykins solution [14:48] which one lol [14:48] mystic: also first lesson ever, make a second backup of your data [14:49] raid on /home [14:49] i dont know raid. and i only have one ssd in this laptop [14:49] this is why i just like a system cloner [14:49] just done with [14:49] mystic: you can also choose backing up to external media [14:50] ialso have a 'cliclkfree' external hdd with some data on it, but cant access it with ubuntu [14:50] I back stuff up to a separate external HD, and in the process of putting what data I can on pcloud and/or protonmail [14:51] laptops :( [14:51] mystic: no reason you shouldn't be able to, unless you mean files that need Windows only software [14:51] what is a "clickfree" hd? [14:51] a home NAS can be great :p [14:52] ^ [14:52] ok [14:52] its a hdd with built in software, aut oback up kinda stuff [14:53] which infortunately means it wont even open in ubuntu [14:53] one touch backup? [14:53] sounds crap [14:53] lol [14:53] something like that i think [14:53] what brand, what format mystic ? [14:53] clickfree [14:53] probably ntfs [14:55] it sounds like one of the typical drives that offers encryption features and so on, the USB bridge chip presents as two devices - one is the HDD - the other is a small volume of software [14:55] typically the software then offers the encryption element so can lock the drive portion from the user [14:55] =trashbin [14:56] yep or just a total format to bypass all that junk [14:56] it could also be implemented on-disk with two partitions [14:56] its fine in windows [14:56] mystic: perhaps take a look on that thing with gparted [14:56] i just turn of fthe clickfree process trhe naccess my stuff normally [14:56] cant access it with ubuntu tho [14:57] may try gparted yea [14:57] mystic: perhaps take alook on that thing with gparted [14:57] just show is how it looks right now plugged in [14:57] sudo parted -l | pastebinit [14:57] *show us [14:58] my fingers are trolling me with vowels it seems [14:58] lol [14:59] how to screen capture? [14:59] why would you need to [15:00] or do you mean in general other than running the command above? :> [15:01] i didnt see it [15:01] but it's right up there ^ [15:01] i didnt know it a a command [15:01] im not used to it [15:01] eiterh way, it only shows my internall ssd [15:02] no info of the clickfree at all [15:06] and it's definitely plugged in by USB? [15:06] the full command i typed would give you a URL to share here, so i can't be sure you're doing it right [15:06] there's also "lsusb | pastebinit" which may show the device plugged in [15:06] im supposedto put pasbinnit also? [15:07] ok, i thought you were telling me to 'paste bin it' myself [15:07] bloody terminal codes... [15:07] that would have spaces and a sequence of english that makes sense :) [15:07] i thought it was aquick slng rewuest [15:07] request [15:07] slang* [15:07] then it wouldn't be in quotes either [15:08] its not [15:09] sudo parted -l | pastebinit [15:09] [sudo] password for mystic: [15:09] Command 'pastebinit' not found, but can be installed with: [15:09] by that i meant my second command [15:10] you're just being picky now :) [15:10] jeez.. how do i know lol [15:10] you need to ask when you don't know [15:10] i was asking [15:10] yeah ok, so pastebinit isn't installed, so "sudo apt update && sudo apt install pastebinit" <-- that's a command :) [15:10] but cant follow that if its not clear for begginers [15:11] yes with the first one i should have said "you need to run this in a terminal" [15:12] whats supposedto happen after pastebinnit? [15:12] nothing showing [15:13] it'd likely ask for your user password first, to allow using sudo [15:13] or if not, it should've installed the package [15:13] it didnt [15:13] it installed [15:13] im talking about your other command [15:14] pastebinit [15:14] nothing happened [15:14] no... it was "lsusb | pastebinit" [15:14] you rtold me they wer etwo seperate commands lol [15:14] so i seperated them [15:15] by that i meant "lsusb | pastebinit" and "sudo parted -l | pastebinit" [15:15] you have to be doing this on purpose because nobody is this challenged :P [15:15] http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/KYSqZWwXgj/ [15:15] no,, im fine on windows.. ubuntu is just shite for beginners [15:15] how do i knw owat u meant.. never done it before [15:16] i'm talking about understanding that a single thing counts as text on one line between two " [15:16] nevermind [15:16] other than mystery device on line 4 then, it's not giving up a lot of info [15:16] doesnt work anyway [15:16] never say 'doesn't work' in IT, that's the most useless two words ever [15:16] "i tried x, y happened, i expected z" [15:17] anywho, time for a new external HDD :D [15:17] or just go bac kto windows lol [15:17] stuf fworks without having to learn terminal code [15:17] or have people hinting that im a retard [15:19] this is why desktop Linux is a bit of a joke still to me (i don't use it) because you can't do all the things graphically [15:19] but this is true of Windows at the intermediate level too, gotta dip into command line [16:00] didn't know about pastebinit... pretty slick... https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Pastebinit [16:00] yet another thing to add to my install to-do list [16:00] though since it's not installed as default, surprisingly, it's more useful to pipe to netcat [16:00] commandhere | nc termbin.com 9999 [16:01] easier to remember pastebinit :-) [16:01] yeah but sometimes we help people that the installation would be yet another delay for [16:01] right [16:01] or their install might be broken and they can't install, at that moment in time [16:01] also recently i've seen pastebinit give URLs back with no paste ID ;/ [16:06] neat... only vaguely familiar with netcat... just tried that out [16:26] cant start my windows 10 in virtual box [16:26] 'VT-x is disabled in the BIOS for all CPU modes (VERR_VMX_MSR_ALL_VMX_DISABLED).' [16:26] please advise [16:26] sorry, wrong room [16:31] you need to enable virtualisation in your BIOS [16:32] when you turn on the system, assuming this is the laptop you mentioned, when you see the manufacturer logo (or even slightly before) you have to press F2 or delete, (it's different per brand) which lets you enter BIOS setup [16:32] you can turn on virtualisation technologies inside there, but only if supported by that laptop (some hide the setting, or don't even offer it) [16:59] hi everyone [17:48] hi pauljw [17:49] hey BluesKaj, how's things? [17:50] ok here pauljw, still hot tho. how about you [17:50] ? [17:51] yeah, very hot here, too. real feel: 107F going up to 108F, same tomorrow. [17:52] gawd [17:52] :) [17:54] we have close 100F "feels like" degrees/index [17:55] it's miserable but we're hanging on inside even though the a/c went out yesterday afternoon. [17:55] ouch [17:57] inconvenient, makes me happy that we rent. haven't bothered the landlord with it yet, it's a holiday so he won't be getting anyone out today. will let him know in a bit so he can get on it in the morning. :) [17:58] * BluesKaj nods [17:59] started the a/c early to get a head start, it was still 77F in the house at 6 this morning === coconut is now known as coconut_ [18:02] it's supposed to pass tomorrow evening , should be normal temps on fri, 75-80F during the day [18:05] pauljw: glad i'm not dropping by in summer ;) [18:09] guess i'll take walk to the mail box...bbiab [18:10] well, if it's good enough for Versace... [18:12] heheh... well, it's normally not an issue. but i agree, glad no one is here for this. [18:12] :> [18:13] very warm and humid here too, i'm in shorts and t-shirt mode for sure [18:13] bare feet around the house to keep cool [18:13] we have ceiling fans and the whole house fan which i opened the intake vent in the basement so it's bringing some cooler basement air up. [18:14] that's neat, Lorie's place has fans but i've not seen what they can do [18:14] i don't do bare feet, every time i hit my toes on something that doesn't move... :( [18:14] oof [18:31] so clueless gets to stay but im kicked, yet he insulted me first [18:31] i like the way you ubuntu cats roll lol [19:01] mystic: the issue there is you would not stop [19:01] i didn tstart it, thats the issue [19:02] then he expects me to accept his 'help' when he decides to be 'nice' [19:02] i dont bend over like that, sorry [19:02] B/or [19:02] whoops [19:03] so you got banned. I fail to see how this helped you [19:03] being banned from a ubuntu chat room is better then bending over [19:03] OK. [19:04] now, can anyone help me get wine working, or i will have to do a win10 reinstall [19:04] one or the other [19:05] mystic: install windows, you have given up on linux already. [19:06] i was insulted in here ,then insulted in the other room [19:07] now im asking again, and u reply with some gnarly comment [19:07] lol [19:07] coconut_: just don't [19:08] mystic: and you, please do not start here [19:08] go to puppy linux room and see how to treat other human beings [19:08] i didn tstart [19:08] i was started on [19:08] mystic: I do not care. If you keep going, you will be out of here as well [19:08] mystic, you blame everyone for one person's ignorance [19:08] oh, at least 2 people [19:09] mystic: stop. [19:09] help me then [19:09] then i can leave [19:09] you're going to need to accept your own abilities and take the advice given as it is offered, otherwise this isn't the place for you [19:14] gotta run for a bit, going to find an air-conditioned restaurant for dinner... bbl. [19:43] hehe poor paul [20:50] hggdh, maybe gamblore runs into this https://www.theindy.us/is-firefox-lying-to-users-about-viruses-in-downloads/ [21:12] oerheks: he might, but I think his issue was DNS cache [21:12] I generically consider these type of warnings as uselessly dangerous [21:14] yes, sometimes hilarious.. [21:14]