[00:00] <tomreyn> update what?
[00:00] <Max-P> gambl0re: Should be instant, why? You may need to clear the DNS cache if for example you changed DNS servers and expect to see a different result: sudo systemd-resolve --flush-caches
[00:01] <oerheks> restart wifi
[00:02] <tomreyn> Max-P: according to your systemd plot, the two snapd services take very long to start up. is there anything about this in syslog?
[00:03] <Max-P> fair point, let me check that in 2 minutes when it's done booting again
[00:03] <Sheilong> Max-P: I installed from the repo
[00:07] <Max-P> Sheilong: what do you get from `dmesg | grep -E "nouveau|NVIDIA"`? What about if you do `sudo modprobe nvidia` and then check dmesg again?
[00:09] <Max-P> tomreyn: that's getting even weirder: https://d.max-p.me/irc/ubuntu-boot-slow2.svg
[00:10] <PsychoBoB> guys
[00:10] <PsychoBoB> what the name of package to create a boot usb initialization?
[00:11] <PsychoBoB> How I can run on terminal it?
[00:11] <Sheilong> Max-P:  first command give nothing
[00:11] <Sheilong> Gonna check second now
[00:12] <Sheilong> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/PKsy9MsJ/
[00:12] <Sheilong> second command gives this error
[00:12] <Sheilong> dmesg again gives nothing
[00:14] <Max-P> Sheilong: what graphics card do you have? Version 340 is quite old, that should probably be 390 unless your card isn't supported anymore by recent drivers
[00:15] <tomreyn> Max-P: i'm more used to the textual output, can you post "sudo systemd-analyze critical-chain" and "sudo systemd-analyze blame"?
[00:15] <Max-P> tomreyn: There's a long skip in syslog, possibly it's waiting to seed the random generator? https://d.max-p.me/irc/ubuntu-syslog.txt
[00:16] <Sheilong> Max-P: Nvdia Geforce 9800GT
[00:16] <Max-P> tomreyn: here you go: https://d.max-p.me/irc/ubuntu-systemd-critical.txt
[00:16] <tomreyn> Max-P: indeed, that's a good explanation.
[00:18] <tomreyn> Max-P: i guess you need haveged then or whatever
[00:18] <Sheilong> I am poor, Ican't afford a new computer I have my PC since 2008 lol
[00:19] <Sheilong> I have a quit  old laptop too, but younger than the PC.
[00:19] <Edisto> how do you add a group to a folder or drive? Doing 'sudo chgrp sysdrive ./' seems to have no effect
[00:19] <tomreyn> Sheilong: you dont have to buy a new one, you can buy a newer pre-owned one.
[00:19] <Sheilong> tomreyn: Too expensive at the country that I live, even a pre-owned one
[00:20] <Sheilong> Our taxes are very high
[00:20] <tomreyn> i see :-/
[00:20] <Sheilong> Just want to fix my computer to finish school stuf lol,
[00:20] <Max-P> Sheilong: do you use that to game or just general desktop usage? If just desktop, that card probably works decently with nouveau
[00:20] <Max-P> Given you have to run a fairly old version of the driver it looks like the module doesn't build for the current kernel or something from the looks of it
[00:20] <Sheilong> Max-P: Hardly I use to game. Just to general desktop
[00:21] <Max-P> If you reboot and pick an older kernel, maybe it'll work
[00:21] <Sheilong> I am gonna try it
[00:21] <Sheilong> btw I am using awesome-wm right now, but I never got used to tiled wm lol
[00:21] <tomreyn> Edisto: seems to have no effect based on?
[00:22] <tomreyn> Edisto: what'S the chgrp exit code, does the 'sysdrive' group exist?
[00:22] <Sheilong> brb
[00:22] <Edisto> tomreyn: when I right click adn go to permissions 'sysdrive' is not there under groups
[00:23] <tomreyn> Edisto: i dont trust your GUI ;-) , please check with ls -l
[00:25] <gambl0re>    /j#web
[00:25] <Max-P> Aye that is much much faster now! Thanks tomreyn for pointing me the right direction. Added virtio-rng-pci to my VM and it works perfectly now!
[00:27] <PsychoBoB> i dont can install deepin
[00:27] <tomreyn> Max-P: you spotted the issue yourself. ;)
[00:27] <PsychoBoB> i dont can create a boot usb initial
[00:27] <PsychoBoB> =(
[00:27] <Edisto> tomreyn: is there a way to check under the sysdrive. It shows my current account and group when I do 'ls -l'
[00:27] <PsychoBoB> help me guys
[00:27] <PsychoBoB> i have .iso of deepin
[00:27] <Max-P> PsychoBoB: unetbootin?
[00:27] <PsychoBoB> what is?
[00:28] <tomreyn> PsychoBoB: i dont think "deepin" is supported here. to write an iso to a usb storage, you can use usb-creator-gtk
[00:28] <Max-P> aye that sounds more up to date than unetbootin. Personally I still just `dd` my images onto my drive ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
[00:29] <tomreyn> Edisto: what is "the sysdrive"?
[00:29] <PsychoBoB> tomreyn, ok, the package run... but when i select the d.iso dont show on program
[00:29] <PsychoBoB> just show my usb pendrive
[00:29] <PsychoBoB> but the .iso no
[00:29] <PsychoBoB> why ?
[00:29] <Sheilong> After switched kernel I was able to log into default desktop. The funny thing is that I just upgraded the system today morning to see whether ir would fix my issue. Anyway, the system reported a crash right now just after log into the default desk with the message : Sorry, a problem occured while installing software Package: nvidia-340 340.104-0ubuntu0.16.04.1
[00:30] <tomreyn> Edisto: can you tell me the full path you are trying to change the group owner for, and maybe also discuss why (in case you're not 100% sure your approach makes sense)
[00:30] <oerheks> PsychoBoB, try the #deepin channel here on #freenode ?
[00:31] <PsychoBoB> nobody ask there
[00:31] <PsychoBoB> =(
[00:31] <Edisto> tomreyn: the group i created. I'm trying to add the group to the drive so my standard accounts can access the hard drive.
[00:31] <oerheks> that is why you need to install ubuntu :-)
[00:32] <PsychoBoB> i using ubuntu
[00:32] <PsychoBoB> but i want to test other
[00:32] <PsychoBoB> understand?
[00:32] <Max-P> Sheilong: Yup, sounds like it's the nvidia module being incompatible with that kernel as I suspected. Seems to be reported too: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-graphics-drivers-340/+bug/1779829
[00:34] <oerheks> 15 hours ago .. pretty hot bug
[00:34] <tomreyn> Edisto: ok, so the full path is?
[00:34] <Sheilong> This is not the first time I got issues witrh my drive
[00:35] <Sheilong> First time I installed the drive it bugged the default desktop, actually I  used to bug when I log with my main user
[00:35] <Sheilong> I tried everything to get it back working and nothing, the solution were creating a new user
[00:35] <tomreyn> Edisto: also, which file system is in use there
[00:35] <poswar> hi there
[00:36] <oerheks> PsychoBoB, - dd if=/path/to/iso of=/dev/sdX 4M && sync # you need to use full path
[00:36] <Edisto> tomreyn: /media/admins/C0F21894F2189130
[00:37] <PsychoBoB> oerheks, run on terminal ?
[00:37] <Edisto> tomreyn: not sure about that question
[00:37] <Max-P> Sheilong: you're probably better off without it in your particular case and use nouveau (the default one). It's been a long time since I last used Ubuntu so I'll have to leave safe uninstalling of nvidia to the others if you want to go that route :)
[00:37] <tomreyn> Edisto: is that an external drive then? what's the file system? mount | grep '/media/admins'
[00:38] <oerheks> PsychoBoB, that is what you asked for, as start
[00:38] <PsychoBoB> oerheks, what is the 4m
[00:38] <PsychoBoB> show error it
[00:38] <Edisto> tomreyn: it is the internal hard drive. I am dual booting windows and ubuntu.
[00:38] <Edisto> tomreyn: /dev/sdb2 on /media/admins/C0F21894F2189130 type fuseblk (rw,nosuid,nodev,relatime,user_id=0,group_id=0,default_permissions,allow_other,blksize=4096,uhelper=udisks2)
[00:39] <PsychoBoB> dd: unknow operation 4M
[00:39] <PsychoBoB> oerheks,
[00:39] <oerheks> oh ..  bs=4M
[00:41] <tomreyn> Edisto: hmm, i'm not sure how to determine the actual file system from this. it is mounted using fuse. i will try to leanr how to do this quickly. in the meantime, can you show the output of 'ls -ld /media/admins/C0F21894F2189130/'
[00:41] <bapa> tomreyn: what about ``cat /proc/mounts`` ?
[00:43] <tomreyn> bapa: right, this seems to provide this info, thanks.
[00:43] <jmadero> hi all - I'm having an issue with my time, it's setting to UTC despite my locale being correct
[00:43] <jmadero> had the issue ever since moving to Ubuntu 18.04
[00:43] <tomreyn> Edisto: can you run: grep -F '/media/admins' /proc/mounts
[00:45] <Edisto> tomreyn: let me switch to teh standard account so I try to assess it from there.
[00:46] <bapa> jmadero: Any chance you dual-boot with Windows? (I doubt it's related, but I'm curious.)
[00:47] <jmadero> bapa: I do - I'm reading about this conflict now, it's strange though, if I correct the time in Ubuntu, even if I reboot and never go back into Windows, Ubuntu comes up wrong again
[00:47] <jmadero> instructions I'm seeing all are about earlier versions of Ubuntu asking me to modify a file that no longer exists
[00:47] <jmadero> "/etc/default/rcS"
[00:48] <bapa> jmadero: FWIW, you can force Windows to use UTC via a registry tweak (and then a reboot). It's how I've got Windows + $distro to place nice with timezones in the past.
[00:48] <jmadero> bapa: yeah I'm reading about this now - what a PITA
[00:50] <jmadero> ok going to try it out
[00:50] <jmadero> wish me luck
[00:51] <tomreyn> there's also "dpkg-reconfigure tzdata" to set the local timezone as well as "timedatectl set-local-rtc" with systemd
[00:52] <bapa> Yep. Have fun.
[00:52] <oerheks> best way is to force windows indeed
[00:52] <tomreyn> best way is not to have windows ;)
[00:53] <oerheks> but i want one, .. even i am not in title to, as i never bought 7/8
[00:53] <bapa> (Also I know this is off-topic, but I'm nuking my Ubuntu install for another $distro soon. R.I.P. I'll still stay here to offer support for a bit though ;_;)
[00:53] <oerheks> everybody got it for free, freeware
[00:53] <oerheks> wait,i am offtopic
[00:58] <tomreyn> bapa: enjoy hannah montana linux!
[01:18] <Randolf> Last week I converted my laptop from Windows 10 to Ubuntu Linux 18.04 LTS.  It is at least twice as fast at the most important things.  Applications start instantly, they don't chew up nearly as much memory, and WINE is able to run most of my Windows programs faster than Windows could.
[01:18] <oerheks> :-)
[01:18] <Randolf> Now I just set up my OpenVPN client, and it's amazing how quickly it runs.  It also doesn't send any data over-the-wire at all, unlike Windows which seems to like to send regular chatter and eat up loads of bandwidth.
[01:19] <Randolf> Boot time is also much faster.  I'm down from 5 minutes to less than 1 minute.  The big delay on the Linux boot is scanning devices because "lvmetad" seems to have problems.
[01:19] <Randolf> 45 seconds of delay for that.
[01:19] <sonicwind> sounds like you're set
[01:20] <Randolf> Well, there are a few things that don't work, but for the most-part everything is working.
[01:20] <Randolf> I'd like to use my numeric keypad consistently though -- when NumLock is off, in most applications it functions as cursor keys.  Some applications ignore it.  Is it possible to get this working properly?
[01:21] <Randolf> Also, FAR Manager (64-bit and 32-bit) crashes very badly under WINE.
[01:22] <bapa> My wishlist for all distros is a way to get my extra buttons on my logitech mouse working without resorting to cmdline work and brittle hacks.
[01:22] <Randolf> JavaFX is only supported up to JRE/JDK 8.  It seems that it was left behind.
[01:22] <Randolf> bapa:  That would be nice.
[01:22] <sonicwind> I never found anything that worked in WINE. I ended up finding Linux apps that serve me well.
[01:23] <bapa> Speaking of WINE, Ubuntu LTS needs to package /usr/share/applications/wine.desktop. I couldn't get WINE apps to launch by double-clicking Windows .exes on someone's machine, and had to download the Arch Linux tarball and copy their *.desktop file so that Nautilus could associate with the extension. :X
[01:23] <bapa> I should probably file a bug for that if one hasn't.
[01:24] <tomreyn> Randolf: i'm with sonicwind there, you should try replacing your windows applications by alternatives ubuntu provides, wine will not make you happy inthe long run.
[01:26] <bapa> I made the mistake of installing Wine and installing their favorite Windows card games and having it nice and integrated into the launcher. Big mistake, because they now think the buggyness of it is a defect of Ubuntu, rather than the fact getting Windows .exes to run on Linux is a MIRACLE of engineering, and something you have to go out of your way to setup.
[01:27] <bapa> Users a) Complain something is constrained and annoying. b) You give them freedom, and then the freedom isn't as polished as the experience they're "meant" to have, and they attribute it to the OS sucking. >:(
[01:27] <bapa> Anyway, sorry. I'll stay on-topic from now on.
[01:29] <oerheks> !info pysolfc
[01:29] <oerheks> go wild
[01:30] <bapa> Yeah, but open-source games usually don't understand usability. They're usually really hit or miss IMO.
[01:31] <xheart> which games have been a hit?
[01:31] <bapa> Sudoku on Gnome 32
[01:31] <bapa> Sorry, thinking of System32. ;>
[01:32] <bapa> And a giant miss is Sudoku on KDE.
[01:32] <xheart> that's it?
[01:32] <bapa> Yup. Linux ain't got no game.
[01:33] <xheart> true that is why i asked
[01:37] <bapa> Also, how's KDE 5 been treating people on LTS 18.04? I think I'mma try that DE and see how it goes.
[01:37] <Biessie> i swapped over to cinnamon for now. i hear they are updating gnome end of the month that is supposed to help with CPU performance
[01:37] <bapa> on LTS?
[01:38] <Biessie> Yea they said 18.04.1 is supposed to drop
[01:38] <Biessie> i too am running 18.04 LTS
[01:39] <bapa> I'm sad Gnome 3 has been so buggy for me. Glad I thought of trying KDE instead of rebooting ito the Hannah Montana Linux installer like I was just about to.
[01:39] <Biessie> yea i heard KDE is pretty good for 18.04.. and apparantly gnome will be fixed end of month
[01:40] <Biessie> i like gnome so i will switch back once that happens
[01:40] <bapa> I've used KDE 5 on OpenSUSE leap and it's AMAZINGLY polished and stable. Here's hoping it's the same on Ubuntu.
[01:40] <bapa> Biessie: Oh? What issues are there with Gnome 3? Are my issues known? I asked earlier, but everyone just gave me advice instead of telling me whether it was or not.
[01:41] <bapa> 'Cuz I can put up with broken-but-gonna-be-fixed-later.
[01:41] <Biessie> bapa : Im honestly not certain exactly what the issues are but its supposed to keep the CPU usage lower and less spikes, etc
[01:41] <Biessie> ill scroll up and find who told me that so maybe you can inquire when they get back
[01:42] <bapa> And fingers crossed that my network driver kernel regression will be fixed soon. 3 distros have the same issue of disconnecting my network after waking from sleep, with nothing short of rmmod/modprobe.
[01:42] <Biessie> his name was lotuspsychje
[01:43] <bapa> Oh my god. It's fixed in the -24 kernel. Finally!
[01:43] <bapa> What a coincidence. It got fixed yesterday. Dang, yes!
[01:43] <bapa> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1752772
[01:43] <Biessie> bapa  - https://i.imgur.com/Valw3kj.png
[01:43] <Biessie> thats a clip of our convo
[01:43] <rangemonger> bapa: thats fixed now?
[01:44] <rangemonger> oooo
[01:44] <bapa> Not yet, because I'm running -23 kernel. Fingers crossed with -24.
[01:44] <rangemonger> was that a bug that was only in the ubuntu kernel or also the main kernel?
[01:44] <bapa> It happened to me in OpenSUSE Leap and Fedora 28.
[01:45] <bapa> So it's a kernel regression and not a distro issue.
[01:45] <rangemonger> i think its been happening to me with the main kernel
[01:47] <bapa> Now, how to figure out how to completely uninstall Gnome-everything since a million billion Gnome packages are selected by apt...
[01:47] <rangemonger> bapa did you install it all at once wiht one selection?
[01:48] <rangemonger> if so: sudo apt purge (package you installed it with) then: sudo apt autoremove
[01:48] <bapa> I just did the Ubuntu installer defaults, which selects the whole shaboo. So I can't just put a hit out on the top-level metapkg and ``autoremove`` to my heart's content.
[01:49] <rangemonger> linux could be so much more usable if they just added things like that to the gui
[01:49] <rangemonger> synaptic could have an autoremove
[01:49] <bapa> IMO, I want less choice in Linux, and just a set of thingies that all are polished and work well.
[01:50] <rangemonger> yeah
[01:50] <bapa> Which I admire Canonical for with their understanding of papercuts.
[01:51] <bapa> It's just a shame Ubuntu LTS 18.04 is still so unstable and buggy for me. Same with the previous LTS. But that's just my luck :\
[01:51] <rangemonger> and mine
[01:52] <bapa> I thought after not running Ubuntu for so many years, I'd come back to an AMAZING distro. And it is. But not not amazing enough to not embarass me with stuff not working when I install it on normal people's computers. Sigh.
[01:53] <xamithan> normal peoples computers,  like a 10 year old family PC running winxp ?
[01:53] <bapa> More like 2009.
[01:54] <xamithan> Ok 9 year old,  not 10
[01:54] <bapa> Windows 9 was a government conpsiracy.
[01:55] <bapa> Also, LTS 18.04 and Rthymbox. Are media keys not working a bug or a feature?
[01:56] <xamithan> Don't know,  sane people use mpd
[01:56] <bapa> FWIW media keys work in VLC, but for some reason the sound is tinny and horrible in that (never touched any of its settings, and rm -rf-ing the config dir for VLC does nothing).
[01:56] <bapa> I used to run mpd in my Gentoo days. But now only basic, boring GUI players for me.
[01:57] <oerheks> that is for all players, clementine comes with build in equaliser
[01:57] <rangemonger> i feel the same way, earlier ubuntus felt like more progress was being made making linux usuable
[01:57] <Biessie> If i logout and change GUI at the login screen and relog back in.. should it switch then or do i need to reboot? i swapped from gnome3 to cinnamon and it's not looking any different when i log back in lol
[01:57] <bapa> Can anyone test their media keys with Rthymbox for me on LTS 18.04?
[01:59] <bapa> Biessie: You don't have to reboot, but I usually do so when installing new desktop environments because sometimes daemons/services running in the background don't get killed when you logout, and they can interfere with the new enviroment.
[01:59] <Biessie> bapa : okay ill try that hopefully thats the reason since it doesnt look any different
[01:59] <bapa> (And I dare not switch to a console and go to runlevel 1, and then back to runlevel 3, because switching runlevels has a habit of freezing this Ubuntu machine for some reason. Not even escape sequences help ;_;)
[02:00] <bapa> Biessie: did you select Cinammon from GDM's thingy?
[02:00] <bapa> I think you can use it to select what desktop environment to log into.
[02:02] <bapa> Also wait, I'm confused. Where's the KDM login manager package in the repos? I see nothing with kdm in the name, and typing `kdm` gets me no relevant hits for what pkg might contain the binary.
[02:03] <bapa> Oh, it's called sddm now.
[02:03] <Biessie> rebooting worked
[02:03] <Biessie> cinnamon gui works
[02:03] <bapa> logging into KDE. pray for me.
[02:03] <Biessie> GL!
[02:05] <Biessie> im digging cinnamon
[02:10] <bapa> I pray full-text indexing works automagically like in Gnome 3.
[02:14] <Biessie> wow cinnamon uses only 2-4% of my CPU compared to gnome using 20-50%
[02:16] <bapa> What sorcery is this. Japanese input works properly in KDE. :O
[02:16] <bapa> Biessie: Glad Cinnamon is working out for you!
[02:17] <bapa> Oh gosh. The -24 kernel is here! I can remove that rmmod/modprobe script now! :D
[02:19] <rangemonger> 4.17.4 is here too
[02:28] <bapa> Welp. Now in KDE I get this after I suspend and resume: https://i.imgur.com/tO9Udso.png
[02:28] <bapa> I guess I should try the Nvidia-340 drivers.
[02:28] <rangemonger> i always find having 2 DEs on = trouble
[02:28] <Randolf> tomreyn:  Thank you.  I definitely prefer to use native applications.  There are a few applications, however, that alternatives just don't seem to be up to par for.  For example, FAR Manager, and Adobe Photoshop are two.
[02:29] <bapa> Hence why I always remove all DEs and their libs/apps, unless it's something minimal like fluxbox
[02:35] <Biessie> http://biessie.ddns.net/ss/cinnamon.png
[02:35] <Biessie> oops
[02:38] <Randolf> bapa:  I remember trying Fluxbox on NetBSD many years ago.  It seemed like a nice lightweight GUI.
[02:40] <bapa> I actually used to use a Fluxbox a lot back in the day. ANd this IRC session is also running on NetBSD right now, heh. But now, I am a fat and lazy typical desktop user who wants his shiny.
[02:40] <bapa> Fingers crossed for 340 nvidia drivers
[02:42] <rangemonger> flux box is still pretty much the same and thats a good thing
[02:51] <Randolf> bapa:  I still use NetBSD for a lot of stuff.  Mostly server things.  I'm finding that Ubuntu has better support for current hardware though, and seems to be performing much faster.
[03:11] <ceibal> hola papito
[03:12] <bapa> hola, esse
[03:26] <foo38229> hello
[03:26] <rangemonger> greets and stuff
[03:27] <foo38229> rangemonger: hmm?
[03:27] <foo38229> rangemonger: i like ubuntu!
[03:28] <rangemonger> dont we all
[03:28] <foo38229> but i'm beginner :D
[03:29] <rangemonger> cool
[03:29] <foo38229> see ya!
[03:29] <foo38229> exit
[03:29] <foo38229> quit
[03:29] <bapa> I think I can live with Ubuntu+KDE, but I have to use Nouveau because nvidia-390 and nvidia-340 both cause lots of random corruption. 5 FPS in muh games, yay.
[03:30] <rangemonger> bummer
[03:30] <rangemonger> whats the state on nvidia and kms?
[03:31] <rangemonger> can i run kms mode with a gf770 on the proprietary drivers?
[03:37] <bapa> Does anyone know where I can find some release notes or a changelog for 18.04.1? I'm about to nuke Gnome 3, but I'll consider keeping it if the changelog mentions something about improving stability.
[03:40] <guiverc> bapa, 18.04.1???  it's eta is 26-july-2018 I thought (still in the future)
[03:41] <bapa> Yeah, that's what I mean. I'm hoping there's a place to read about the bugs that are fixed *thus far*~
[03:45] <guiverc> bapa, as far as i know (& would expect) the release notes aren't public (more location isn't published) until release.  discussions & decisions you can watch (as with all releases) or read via logs (those done via irc anyway), but there are no easy lists (unless one is mentioned in the lists)
[03:46] <bapa> ALright, thanks guiverc.
[03:53] <guiverc> bapa, have you tried using bionic-proposed??  (http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/bionic-proposed/)
[03:54] <bapa> guiverc: Nope, no FrakenBuntu for me. :P But I've never heard of that, so I'll give it a look nontheless.
[03:56] <guiverc> i mentioned it because you mentioned 'nuke'... :)
[03:58] <bapa> Ah, I just said nuke because mixing DE's is a no-no. For example I'm using KDE but everything wants to open in Gnome apps.
[03:59] <rangemonger> you could use kde's association thingy to fix that
[04:05] <bapa> Welp. I don't even know what to do anymore. With nvidia drivers, lame graphics corruption. With nouveau, really bad tearing in lots of apps. Unless that's just a KDE thing I can configure or something.
[04:05] <rangemonger> try turning compositting off in kde
[04:05] <rangemonger> theres a hotkey to do it... one sec
[04:06] <rangemonger> shift alt f12
[04:06] <rangemonger> might not help but its worth a shot
[04:07] <bapa> Makes no difference, since I don't think composting has much due do with a browser tearing while scrolling.
[04:07] <bapa> hmm
[04:07] <bapa> I'm surprised at how bad the drivers are considering how old my card is. :\
[04:08] <bapa> welp, back to nvidia 390 + gnome. that was better than this.
[04:15] <lotuspsychje> bapa: you cant make a new card out of your old one right
[04:17] <bapa> lotuspsychje: What do you mean?
[04:17] <bapa> Well, I guess my other option is to just unplug my 560 Ti and use the integrated Intel thingy I have (since not even the BIOS will acknowledge its existence if a PCI-e card is plugged in). :\
[04:21] <Max-P> that sucks, if you could still get the BIOS to enable the integrated graphics you could run your desktop off the integrated ones and use a bumblebee-like setup to run heavy stuff
[04:28] <taaperotassu> Using ubuntu server 16.04 wondering why I cant seem to edit or delete my bash_history file. I should have enough rights etc.
[04:28] <abc> echo help
[04:29] <Guest86456> cd ..
[04:31] <n6xre> test
[04:31] <guiverc> taaperotassu, do you get an error? (I've done it on desktop many times)
[04:32] <bapa> Max-P: Yeah, I checked the BIOS much earlier in the day, and there was nada for letting the integrated live with Mr. PCI-e. Oh well.
[04:33] <bapa> Unless I get... the belt. (AKA, check if the manufactuer has issued an update to the BIOS)
[04:36] <pavlos> taaperotassu: ls -l ~/.bash_history
[04:51] <Rojola> hi!
[04:51] <Rojola> I'd like to ask for help, please
[04:51] <Rojola> I already asked in #mysql but somebody only linked me 2 pages which do _not_ contain any solution to the issue.
[04:52] <Rojola> ...as I already followed best practice
[04:52] <Rojola> https://dpaste.de/U1ZY/raw
[04:52] <Rojola> I tried all 4 ways (in this order)
[04:52] <Rojola> but I still cannot login as root
[04:54] <icedwater> How do I get around "Failed to start poweroff.target: Transaction is destructive."? I just want to shut the laptop down... silly systemd.
[04:55] <guiverc> icedwater, try running `systemctl enable poweroff.target` then try....
[04:57] <icedwater> I tried that, it still complains. https://askubuntu.com/questions/764565/ didn't work for me. Except the poweroff -f answer at the end. But that's a silly solution, too.
[04:58] <icedwater> Why is systemd blocking the shutdown action?
[05:00] <guiverc> icedwater, sorry I can't help; i have no idea how Ubuntu (& linux) shuts down
[05:00] <icedwater> I'm also reading this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/systemd/+bug/1441253
[05:01] <icedwater> I guess it makes sense that you don't shut down in the middle of a suspend operation, but what if I don't want to suspend, I just want to shutdown...
[05:01] <icedwater> guiverc: I get that, thanks for the help though :)
[05:02] <lotuspsychje> icedwater: your ubuntu version please? clean install or upgrade?
[05:05] <icedwater> lotuspsychje: 16.04, clean install, I think. I don't remember when or if I did do-release-upgrade
[05:05] <icedwater> Would this be in some logs somewhere?
[05:06] <icedwater> I'm quite sure I shuffled partitions around to make room for a clean install of 16
[05:06] <lotuspsychje> icedwater: on shutdown you can press F1 to see text shutdown, see where it hangs and what it does
[05:07] <icedwater> OK, thanks. But what would the difference have been between clean install and upgrade? Where were you going to suggest I take a look?
[05:08] <lotuspsychje> icedwater: sometimes leftovers of upgrades or bad upgrades can make bugs occur, hence why i asked
[05:08] <icedwater> Also, systemd recently started asking me to enter a passphrase for a cryptswap partition as part of the boot process. Is there somewhere I can specify that passphrase which can be read automatically?
[05:08] <icedwater> lotuspsychje: nods
[05:09] <lotuspsychje> icedwater: a few ideas maybe, booting a different kernel version, or testing shutdown from a liveusb
[05:10] <icedwater> lotuspsychje: anyway now that I did poweroff -f once, and started the system again, shutdown doesn't hang. But I'll check if it stops somewhere. Have you helped debug this before? Yeah, I'll try those too if it comes again, thanks
[05:10] <lotuspsychje> icedwater: if nothing helps you can also file a new !bug
[05:14] <taaperotassu> quiverc no errors
[05:17] <taaperotassu> history -c; history -w  helpded erasing bash history though sudo rm didn't work nor editing the file. No errors.. strange
[05:24] <Rojola> sorry for re-asking.  I guess my question got overlooked before.
[05:24] <Rojola> I would like to change the MySQL-root-user's password
[05:24] <Rojola> none of my attempts worked:
[05:24] <Rojola> https://dpaste.de/U1ZY/raw
[05:26] <guiverc> Rojola, please try and keep questions to a single line; a non-answer doesn't mean it was overlooked, but it could be no-one available at the time you asked had any answers
[05:27] <Rojola> sorry guiverc
[05:28] <pavlos> Rojola: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/16556497/how-to-reset-or-change-the-mysql-root-password
[05:30] <Rojola> pavlos, thank you,  tried that already...
[05:30] <Rojola> pavlos, https://dpaste.de/HQuC/raw
[05:30] <Rojola> should I really run it via "sudo" as the error suggests?
[05:31] <Rojola> even as root I get an error:  ERROR 2002 (HY000): Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' (2)
[05:36] <pavlos> Rojola: can you try the example voted 63 times in that page? it starts mysqld_safe in step 3
[05:38] <Rojola> pavlos, I will, but I had to remove (purge) the mysql-server first,  as the solution I tried first totally busted the mysql installation
[05:40] <Rojola> pavlos, the solution with 63 upvotes is more the less what I did
[05:41] <Rojola> okay, even re-installing did not help
[05:41] <Rojola> I cannot login any more
[05:41] <Rojola> root@linux:/home/user# mysql
[05:41] <Rojola> ERROR 1045 (28000): Access denied for user 'root'@'localhost' (using password: NO)
[05:43] <pavlos> Rojola: are you on 18.04 server?
[05:43] <Rojola> yes
[05:44] <Rojola> I can login as root again
[05:44] <Rojola> update user set plugin='auth_socket' where User='root';  flush privileges;
[05:44] <Rojola> but still,  logging in via password does not work
[05:45] <Rojola> thankfully I created a user with all rights before this incident
[05:45] <pavlos> Rojola: check this ... https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MysqlPasswordReset
[05:45] <Rojola> thank you pavlos !
[05:46] <Rojola> pavlos, it's not like any of these solutions worked :(
[05:46] <Rojola> https://dpaste.de/BZBV/raw
[05:49] <Rojola> okay, I give up
[05:49] <Rojola> I'll use the user-account I set up before
[05:49] <Rojola> thank you pavlos !
[05:50] <pavlos> Rojola: nw ... I dont have a db to test now and need to get some zzz's
[05:50] <Rojola> sleep well! :)
[05:51] <pavlos> Rojola: we'll continue tomorrow
[05:51] <Rojola> thank you =)
[06:02] <tensop> is pubg playable yet, havent touched it in about 9 months
[06:26] <mrec> is there any realistic way to enable exim4 quickly with ubuntu?
[06:26] <mrec> that rubbish wiki page doesn't work
[06:33] <danielpeichev> server irc.all4y.net
[06:36] <OlofL> Conceptually, can you make vsftpd run as a sftp server, or is that done on openssh server itself?
[06:38] <oerheks> vsftp got its own deamon, so conceptually: yes
[06:59] <chl_> do people run unbound for caching dns?
[07:02] <oerheks> chi , well, you can .. https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unbound
[07:02] <MagePsycho> symlink to a folder is treated as a file or folder?
[07:02] <arthar360> chl_ Yes, We have it in our organisation
[07:03] <oerheks> some docs https://calomel.org/unbound_dns.html
[07:03] <chl_> in terms of performance, do any of you happen to know it compares to bind?
[07:27] <KryptoX> Hello all, I got a big question, I have searched high and low for an answer to this one,
[07:27] <KryptoX> I have a Dell Precision 3510 (https://zerobin.net/?2430e64e96282ebe#lPQ4Amc4TCT/N2PzTG06Ic4xYMhT7fwQaBIUKBGnGks <-- specs)
[07:27] <KryptoX> And every version of Ubuntu I tried caused the motherboard to heat up very quickly around the GPU area, but I have no idea why Ubuntu detects my AMD FirePro W5130M as AMD Radeon HD8800M.
[07:27] <KryptoX> It does not allow me to use the laptop more than 10 minutes before it gets too hot to have on my lap.
[07:30] <KryptoX> I forgot to mention, for some unknown reason, it runs the GPU @ 100% at all times, not even using the integrated graphics
[07:32] <oerheks> lots of posts about that https://askubuntu.com/questions/961747/ubuntu-detecting-wrong-gpu-in-dell-precision-3510
[07:33] <explodes> Uh, well this sucks
[07:33] <explodes> I restarted my ubuntu box and the wireless interface is gone
[07:33] <KryptoX> oerheks: Yeah, I swa that already, but no one offered a solution to this problem, I even went the extra mile and contacted AMD support over the phone, the answer I got was just weird "We do not currently support this product under linux, but might be in future releases of this model".
[07:33] <KryptoX> Which means "We do not support THIS specific one, upgrade to a new laptop to get ubuntu support".
[07:33] <oerheks> all there is is the openradeon driver, no amdgpu pro ?
[07:33] <oerheks> :-(
[07:35] <KryptoX> no, amdgpu pro is just for a couple of specific GPU's, FirePro is not included.
[07:35] <KryptoX> I am stuck with Windows and this sucks!
[07:38] <KryptoX> https://www.amd.com/en/support/professional-graphics/mobile-platforms/firepro-mobility-series/firepro-w5130m
[07:38] <KryptoX> I did find this, but every time I install it, it just shoots out an error before it crash and burn.
[07:40] <qwebirc6817> Hi
[07:41] <qwebirc6817> There is a black screen after installing Nvidia drivers
[07:41] <oerheks> KryptoX, i am afraid you are stuck with that hd530
[07:42] <qwebirc6817> I tried to use root mount
[07:42] <qwebirc6817> Now I typed startx
[07:43] <qwebirc6817> There is display to contact ubuntu support
[07:44] <qwebirc6817> Please help
[07:45] <arthar360> qwebirc6817 That happend with my laptop as well. I gave up after weeks of troubleshooting and reinstalled ubuntu and never installed graphics driver to keep it running
[08:02] <mohammad> hello guys
[08:02] <Guest46248> hi
[08:03] <Guest46248> when i run virtualbox and run a virtual on it
[08:03] <Guest46248> i see that whole system is stuck
[08:03] <Guest46248> what is problem ?
[08:05] <Ool> Guest46248: install the last version of virtualbox
[08:05] <Ool> https://www.virtualbox.org/
[08:05] <ikonia> Ool: that is not the default answer
[08:05] <Guest46248> Ool, i miss old machines ?
[08:06] <ikonia> the version that ubuntu ships is fullly supported and tested, so why would you randomly just change the version
[08:07] <Guest46248> ikonia, it was okay but now when i run a virtual machine on it whole system stucks
[08:07] <ikonia> Guest46248: ok - so whats going on with that ? are you resources ok, is the host hanging or just the guest
[08:08] <Guest46248> ikonia, i just run android machines on it and it is ubuntu 16.04
[08:08] <ikonia> not what I asked
[08:08] <Guest46248> no
[08:08] <Guest46248> host hanging
[08:09] <ikonia> so when you launch a guest, the host totally hangs/locks
[08:09] <Guest46248> yes when i run guest
[08:09] <ikonia> ok, can you do basic thinks like move the mouse around on the host
[08:09] <Guest46248> host totally locks
[08:09] <Ool> ikonia: not random
[08:09] <Guest46248> i cant even move mouse
[08:09] <ikonia> Ool: explain why based on one line of problem the answer is to change the provider to a 3rd party package
[08:10] <ikonia> Guest46248: ok, so the mouse cursor is totally locked as well
[08:10] <Guest46248> yess mouse is totally locked
[08:10] <confluency> Guest46248: you say "it was okay". When was that? Yesterday? Last week? Did you install or upgrade anything between then and now?
[08:10] <ikonia> Guest46248: does your keyboard have a capslock / numlock light ?
[08:10] <Guest46248> ikonia, yes it has
[08:11] <ikonia> Guest46248: if you press capslock / numlock does the light go on/off /
[08:11] <ikonia> ?
[08:11] <Ool> ikonia: I 'm solving this particular problem like that … but if you have more experience …
[08:11] <Guest46248> confluency, it was for 6 months before that i ran an android machine and it was okay
[08:11] <ikonia> Ool: you said it's not random - could you explain why based off one line the answer is to change the package provider and version ?
[08:11] <ikonia> Ool: what is the deduction that it is the problem ?
[08:12] <Guest46248> ikonia, let me check
[08:12] <confluency> Ool: do you have specific knowledge of a Virtualbox bug in the packaged version which is fixed in a later version?
[08:12] <Guest46248> but it takes time
[08:12] <Guest46248> because i need to restart because it will be locked
[08:12] <confluency> Guest46248: were you also running 16.04 six months ago?
[08:12] <adrian_1908> hello, anyone having problems with the latest 4.15.0-24-generic kernel on bionic? I seem to have crazy long boot times since I updated yesterday.
[08:13] <ikonia> adrian_1908: define "crazy long" and what part of the boot process is taking time
[08:13] <Guest46248> confluency, yess i am using that now also
[08:13] <adrian_1908> [    6.710147] IPv6: ADDRCONF(NETDEV_CHANGE): eno1: link becomes ready
[08:13] <adrian_1908> [   32.715029] random: crng init done
[08:13] <adrian_1908> @ikonia:
[08:14] <ikonia> adrian_1908: so the network card coming up, how long is that delay ?
[08:15] <confluency> Guest46248: it looks like this problem may be affecting you -- the suggested solution there is to upgrade from Virtualbox 5.0 to 5.2. https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2382314
[08:16] <confluency> Did they leave? :/
[08:16] <Guest5057> ikonia,
[08:16] <confluency> Guest5057: it looks like this problem may be affecting you -- the suggested solution there is to upgrade from Virtualbox 5.0 to 5.2.
[08:16] <adrian_1908> ikonia: does that look like the network coming up takes long? I thought it would be something else afterwards. but i'm not well versed in reading these logs.
[08:16] <confluency> Guest5057: what version of Virtualbox do you currently have installed?
[08:16] <Guest5057> caps lock is not working
[08:17] <ikonia> Guest5057: ok, so the whole machine is hard locking then
[08:17] <Guest5057> ikonia, yess
[08:17] <Guest5057> confluency, let me see
[08:17] <ikonia> adrian_1908: that looks like the last thing that happens is the interface coming up, so the next thing will be most likely the dhcp request for that interface,
[08:17] <ikonia> adrian_1908: how are you getting that information
[08:17] <adrian_1908> ikonia: this is from dmesg
[08:17] <ikonia> adrian_1908: and 3rd time of asking how long is "crazy long"
[08:17] <ikonia> adrian_1908: dmesg is not going to help
[08:18] <ikonia> adrian_1908: you want to watch the boot process
[08:18] <ikonia> adrian_1908: remove the boot splash
[08:18] <adrian_1908> ikonia: ah ok, I thought those times were about how long it took, my bad. ok will try without splash and come back.
[08:18] <Guest5057> confluency, version 5.0
[08:18] <confluency> Guest5057: the thread I posted has more specific instructions for the suggested solution in a comment lower down: https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2382314&p=13739411#post13739411
[08:19] <confluency> Guest5057: (The original suggestion doesn't explain exactly how to add the PPA; this comment does.)
[08:19] <confluency> Guest5057: in that case it may be a good idea to try this.
[08:20] <Guest5057> confluency, thank you so much
[08:20] <Guest5057> let me try that
[08:22] <Guest5057> if i want to uninstall vb
[08:22] <Guest5057> with keeping old machines
[08:23] <Guest5057> what should i do ?
[08:23] <confluency> Guest5057: I don't understand the question.
[08:23] <confluency> Guest5057: uninstalling the package isn't going to remove your data.
[08:23] <Guest5057> confluency, with the link that you sent
[08:23] <Guest5057> it needs to uninstall
[08:24] <confluency> Guest5057: yes, and? That isn't going to do anything to your machines.
[08:24] <Guest5057> i wanna use apt purge virtualbox
[08:24] <confluency> Guest5057: why?
[08:24] <Guest5057> Uninstall VB completely (Your VMs should be safe. They aren't touched by an uninstall. But make sure you are backed up as a matter of policy.).
[08:24] <confluency> Guest5057: that should also not destroy your machines; they shouldn't be part of the system configuration that gets purged.
[08:24] <Guest5057> confluency, okay
[08:24] <confluency> Guest5057: why do you want to use purge?
[08:25] <Guest5057> i should use remove?
[08:25] <confluency> Guest5057: yes. That's what the instructions say.
[08:25] <confluency> purge isn't "remove, only better".
[08:26] <confluency> Guest5057: what instructions are you reading?
[08:26] <Guest5057> confluency, https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2382314&p=13739411#post13739411
[08:26] <confluency> Guest5057: don't read the first comment; read the last comment.
[08:26] <Guest5057> oh
[08:26] <confluency> Guest5057: that has the specific instructions for adding the PPA.
[08:27] <Guest5057> okay
[08:27] <Guest5057> thanks
[08:27] <confluency> Guest5057: it doesn't matter if you do the remove first.
[08:27] <Guest5057> i did remove
[08:27] <gasull> where is the Ubuntu GPG public key used for the repos?
[08:27] <gasull> I need to download it.
[08:28] <confluency> I suggest that instead of putting the PPA line in /etc/apt/sources.list you put it in its own file, like /etc/apt/sources.list.d/virtualbox.list
[08:28] <Guest5057> gpg: no valid OpenPGP data found.
[08:28] <Guest5057> i get this
[08:28] <confluency> It'll work either way, but this way will be much cleaner.
[08:28] <Guest5057> when i run
[08:28] <Guest5057> wget -q https://www.virtualbox.org/download/..._vbox_2016.asc -O- | sudo apt-key add
[08:28] <confluency> Did you copy and paste the link with the ...
[08:29] <confluency> Yes, don't do that. The link is shortened for some reason.
[08:29] <confluency> If you click on it you'll see that it's actually https://www.virtualbox.org/download/oracle_vbox_2016.asc
[08:29] <Guest5057> okay
[08:29] <confluency> Substitute in that link.
[08:31] <rajendra> symlink to a folder is considered as a file or folder to the system?
[08:31] <Guest5057> https://www.virtualbox.org/download/oracle_vbox_2016.asc
[08:31] <Guest5057> confluency, i did whole link
[08:31] <confluency> Guest5057: and?
[08:31] <gasull> As ridiculous as it sounds, I can't find Ubuntu's public GPG key
[08:31] <Guest5057> but same error
[08:32] <Guest5057> wget -q https://www.virtualbox.org/download/oracle_vbox_2016.asc  -O- | sudo apt-key add
[08:32] <Guest5057> gpg: no valid OpenPGP data found.
[08:32] <confluency> Guest5057: are you sure? It works for me.
[08:33] <Guest5057> confluency, i dont know what is wrong
[08:34] <Guest5057> but i can open link
[08:34] <confluency> Guest5057: when you follow that link in your browser, what do you see? Do you see -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- and then a big block of characters?
[08:34] <guiverc> rajendra, if you `file` a symlink it shows as a symbolic link (regardless of what it points to)..   in theory everything is a file, so file could be considered true though (in *nix theory)
[08:34] <Guest5057> confluency, yess i can see what you say
[08:35] <confluency> Guest5057: and when you just do wget PUT_LINK_HERE does it download the file without any errors?
[08:35] <confluency> Guest5057: and if you cat oracle_vbox_2016.asc afterwards, do you see the same thing as in the browser?
[08:36] <Guest5057> confluency,
[08:36] <Guest5057> i think
[08:36] <geirha> gasull: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/project/
[08:36] <Guest5057> http-proxy is set for my terminal
[08:36] <gasull> Guest5057: thanks!
[08:37] <confluency> Oh, OK. Then wget may not be working correctly. Save the file from your browser.
[08:37] <adrian_1908> i'm back. so i watched the boot process, but couldn't see anything useful. the boot messages appear on the screen (all [ OK ]) and then the screen goes blank and stays that way indefinitely (i.e. minutes). what seems to allow me to get a login is to switch to another tty. once i do submit my name there, i get the graphical login.
[08:37] <confluency> Guest5057: once you have the file saved, you can try cat FILENAME_HERE | sudo apt-key add
[08:37] <Guest5057> confluency, how can i unset that ?
[08:37] <confluency> Then you can bypass wget for now.
[08:37] <adrian_1908> i didn't make the connection the first time, that my using the other tty causes the login to appear. i thought it was a coincidence of timing.
[08:37] <confluency> Guest5057: you can try unset http_proxy
[08:38] <confluency> Guest5057: if you want to fix wget
[08:38] <confluency> Guest5057: that will only do it temporarily in this terminal session.
[08:39] <adrian_1908> brb in 5 mins!
[08:39] <Guest5057> when i use
[08:39] <Guest5057> echo $http_proxy
[08:39] <Guest5057> i see no output
[08:39] <Guest5057> but when i use wget
[08:39] <Guest5057> i see
[08:39] <confluency> Guest5057: then it should be unset.
[08:40] <Guest5057> Connecting to 127.0.0.1:38561... failed: Connection refused.
[08:40] <Guest5057> i did unset http_proxy
[08:40] <Guest5057> but same error
[08:40] <confluency> What about https_proxy?
[08:41] <Guest5057> confluency, solved
[08:41] <Guest5057> with https_proxy
[08:41] <confluency> OK, great. So did you add the key successfully?
[08:42] <Guest5057> confluency, yesss
[08:42] <Guest5057> i am updating packages
[08:43] <Guest5057> i just get error in updating
[08:43] <Guest5057> because we are sensored and filtered as we live in iran
[08:44] <takeme> there is a two commands that execute ‘ls -la’ and ‘pwd’ in different terminal? how can i make this shell command?
[08:44] <Guest5057> and i cant get some updates
[08:44] <confluency> Guest5057: you probably need to put the proxy back. :/
[08:44] <confluency> Guest5057: did you get the updates from the virtualbox PPA?
[08:44] <Guest5057> confluency, i have not reached that yet
[08:46] <confluency> Guest5057: are you getting the main system packages? Or do you need the proxy for those?
[08:46] <Guest5057> confluency, the proxy that i am using is not stable
[08:46] <guiverc> takeme, sorry I don't understand, but are you talking about `alias` ?
[08:46] <Guest5057> and without a good proxy i cant update my packages
[08:47] <Guest5057> Err:12 http://download.virtualbox.org/virtualbox/debian xenial Release
[08:47] <Guest5057>   403  Forbidden
[08:47] <takeme> i want to make shell command in one file, ls command and pwd command. but it is executed in different terminal
[08:47] <confluency> Guest5057: the newer version of Virtualbox shouldn't need any new dependencies, so as long as you can reach the PPA server now you should be able to install the new version without having to fetch anything else.
[08:47] <adrian_1908> back
[08:48] <confluency> Guest5057: Hmm. You can try to hack around this by downloading the package in your browser and installing it with dpkg -i
[08:48] <adrian_1908> ikonia: are you still there? don't want to bother you, but if you have some suggestions on figuring out the boot issue, i'm all ears.
[08:48] <Guest5057> confluency, how about depenencies?
[08:48] <ikonia> adrian_1908: what does the boot sequence show the delay on
[08:48] <adrian_1908> ikonia: where can i see this?
[08:48] <confluency> Guest5057: as long as all the dependencies are installed (they should be, if you already had the previous version) it should be fine.
[08:48] <guiverc> takeme, put your commands in a file (we call it a 'script'), you make the file executable (eg. if called 'file' use the command `chmod +x file`) then execute the script with ./file  (./ tells the system to look for it in your current directory)
[08:48] <ikonia> adrian_1908: removing the splash
[08:49] <Guest5057> confluency, when i can download that ?
[08:49] <ikonia> adrian_1908: and 4th time of asking "how long is booting takes an age"
[08:49] <guiverc> takeme, the first line possibly should be "#!/bin/bash" (called a shebang), which tells people & system what script language it is...
[08:49] <adrian_1908> ikonia: did you see my message from 10:37? the messages switch to a blank screen after a while.
[08:49] <Guest5057> where^^
[08:49] <confluency> Guest5057: do you need the i386 package or the amd64 package?
[08:49] <takeme> guiverc: there is a file that have ‘ls’ and ‘pwd’, but i execute it with different terminal . guiverc
[08:49] <Guest5057> amd64
[08:50] <ikonia> adrian_1908: how long does the overall boot process take
[08:50] <confluency> Guest5057: this should be right: https://download.virtualbox.org/virtualbox/debian/pool/contrib/v/virtualbox-5.2/virtualbox-5.2_5.2.14-123301~Ubuntu~xenial_amd64.deb
[08:51] <guiverc> takeme, i don't know what you mean by "with a different terminal" sorry"?  if you use csh; the shebang should match csh; but I don't think that's what you mean sorry
[08:51] <adrian_1908> ikonia: hard to say, but i think most stuff is done after ~15 seconds. then i get the blank screen which will persist without my intervention.
[08:51] <takeme> x(
[08:51] <confluency> Guest5057: if your browser can download stuff and wget can download stuff, apt should also be able to. I think that apt has its own proxy settings.
[08:52] <ikonia> adrian_1908: so look at systemd-analyze to map the boot process
[08:52] <ikonia> adrian_1908: what is the intervention you do to make the black screen go away
[08:52] <Guest5057> confluency, i get access denied in my browser
[08:52] <confluency> Guest5057: :/
[08:52] <Guest5057> what should i do :/
[08:53] <adrian_1908> ikonia: Startup finished in 7.542s (firmware) + 4.387s (loader) + 2.309s (kernel) + 2min 21.451s (userspace) = 2min 35.690s   graphical.target reached after 2min 21.431s in userspace
[08:53] <confluency> Guest5057: I have no suggestions except trying to find another proxy. I will see if I can find a copy of that package version on another server.
[08:53] <guiverc> takeme, if you want to execute it without a "./" you only need to put it in a location searched by your $PATH  (myself I use /usr/local/bin/))
[08:53] <Guest5057> confluency, thanks
[08:53] <adrian_1908> ikonia: the last delay is arbitrary, i switch to another tty and typing in there or submitting my user login seems to trigger the graphical login.
[08:53] <takeme> x( guiverc
[08:53] <adrian_1908> ikonia: arbitrary in the sense that it's as long as i wait to interact via the other tty.
[08:53] <ikonia> adrian_1908: look at the xorg and greeter log
[08:54] <adrian_1908> ok, one sec
[08:55] <takeme> guiverc: https://ideone.com/Ml0giN
[08:56] <Guest5057> is there a free vpn for ubuntu ?
[08:56] <takeme> guiverc: ?
[08:58] <confluency> Guest5057: what you can try is to install the 5.2 package from 18.04 -- it might work, but it might have different dependency versions.
[08:58] <confluency> Guest5057: I will find you a link to try.
[08:59] <confluency> Guest5057: another thing that you can try first is to upgrade to the 5.1 version which was released as an update to 16.04 earlier this year. That may fix the bug.
[09:00] <confluency> Guest5057: when you do the update (with your proxy on), are you able to reach the main official repositories?
[09:00] <takeme> guiverc: ?
[09:00] <takeme> https://ideone.com/Ml0giN
[09:00] <Guest5057> confluency, i can update with my current proxy
[09:00] <Guest5057> cant^^
[09:01] <guiverc> takeme, commands can have a "&" at the end which means they run in the background (different process), and you can `bash -c "ps"; to cause a new interpreter process to process the "ps" (enclosed command).  i'm not sure why? or what you're after?  (school assignment maybe?)
[09:01] <confluency> Guest5057: OK, and do you have the updates repository enabled in your sources.list?
[09:01] <Guest5057> confluency, yesss
[09:01] <Guest5057> but i get error during the update
[09:01] <adrian_1908> ikonia: /var/log/seat0-greeter.log has a GTK Warning about drawing a gadget with negative dimensions. I wonder if that could be it. The thing is, i didn't touch any of that around the time the issues appeared. what happened yesterday was that i did a kernel upgrade, so that my first suspicion.
[09:01] <confluency> Guest5057: I suggest that you comment out the PPA line you added to sources.list, since it looks like you can't reach that PPA.
[09:02] <Guest5057> i am downloading with my phone now
[09:02] <Guest5057> 5 mins left
[09:02] <confluency> Guest5057: OK, but what error? Can you or can you not actually get updated packages>\
[09:02] <takeme> guiverc: because first command will not terminated when i press button of ctrl + c
[09:03] <Guest5057> confluency, i am downloading the link that you said with my smart phone and i will transfer that to my ubuntu and install that with dpkg
[09:03] <guiverc> sorry takeme, guests have arrived (dinner time!)
[09:03] <takeme> what guest?
[09:03] <adrian_1908> ikonia: btw, X0rg log looks fine, it just shows the giant delay that most other logs show, but no errors.
[09:03] <Guest5057> confluency, proxy that does exist on my phone works
[09:04] <confluency> Guest5057: oh, OK, cool. In that case try that first.
[09:04] <confluency> Otherwise, if you look here, you'll see what versions are available for different Ubuntu releases: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/virtualbox
[09:04] <Guest5057> confluency, you are sure that it didnt need any dependency ?
[09:05] <confluency> Guest5057: no, I'm not sure. I have no idea. But it probably uses the same dependencies you already have.
[09:05] <zahra> salam
[09:06] <Mr_Pan> lech mir am arsch :P
[09:07] <adrian_1908> brb, trying something!
[09:07] <confluency> As you can see in the last link, a 5.1 update was released for Xenial and Artful at the same time. That may be a fix for this bug. So if that 5.2 package doesn't work, you can try this one (if you expand the 5.1.34 version under Xenial and scroll down you'll see the binary packages). If you are able to use apt to get these, that would be best, but you can also download them like this if necessary.
[09:07] <Guest5057> confluency,
[09:08] <Guest5057> i use dpkg -i?
[09:08] <confluency> Guest5057: yes. With sudo.
[09:09] <Guest5057> it is in progress
[09:10] <Guest5057> The VirtualBox kernel modules do not match this version of VirtualBox. The installation of VirtualBox was apparently not successful. Executing
[09:11] <Guest5057> what should i do :/
[09:11] <confluency> :(
[09:11] <confluency> Then I would try the 5.1 packages from Launchpad.
[09:12] <confluency> But first you should undo all this stuff. First do apt purge virtualbox-5.2
[09:12] <confluency> Because you may have a partially installed package now and that will break apt.
[09:12] <MrM1st> Hi all
[09:12] <confluency> Then go to your /etc/apt/sources.list and remove that PPA line from the end.
[09:13] <confluency> You can leave the key; that doesn't break anything.
[09:13] <oerheks> uh oh, ppa not in the /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ folder ?
[09:13] <confluency> Guest5057: then get a new terminal with a proxy, and we should check if you can actually access the normal repositories with a proxy.
[09:13] <Guest5057> confluency, https://askubuntu.com/questions/900794/virtualbox-rtr3initex-failed-with-rc-1912-rc-1912
[09:14] <Guest5057> can we fix that with this link?
[09:14] <MrM1st> I'm having problems with 18.04 latest kernel. Booting into "emergency mode". Anyone up for a challenge?
[09:14] <confluency> oerheks: following instructions which appended it to sources.list. I assure you that that is the least of our difficulties.
[09:15] <blackflow> !ask | MrM1st
[09:15] <oerheks> Guest5057, as said, remove that virtualbox from oracle, instal the one from softwarecenter
[09:15] <confluency> oerheks: read the backlog, please.
[09:15] <confluency> Guest5057: are you sure you got the amd64 version?
[09:15] <MrM1st> The last error is: systemd[1]: Timed out waiting for device dev-disk-by\<id1>\<id2>.....\<idx>.device
[09:15] <Guest5057> confluency, yesss
[09:16] <oerheks> "<Guest5057> The VirtualBox kernel modules do not match this version of VirtualBox."  i understand perfectly ..
[09:16] <confluency> Guest5057: and are you sure that you have an amd64 system?
[09:16] <adrian_1908> ikonia: the prior kernel 4.15.0-23-generic boots fine, so my that confirms it i guess. should i report this somewhere (if it isn't already)? launchpad?
[09:16] <confluency> oerheks: no, you need to scroll back a lot further.
[09:16] <ikonia> adrian_1908: report what ?
[09:16] <Guest5057> confluency, yess
[09:17] <adrian_1908> ikonia: that the latest kernel causes issues
[09:17] <confluency> oerheks: Guest5057 needs to upgrade to a newer version because of a bug, and this version may be available in the updates repo, but everything is made more difficult by the fact that Guest5057 is in Iran.
[09:17] <ikonia> adrian_1908: how do you know the kernel is the issue
[09:17] <ikonia> adrian_1908: do you even know the problem yet ?
[09:17] <confluency> Guest5057: then this is not your issue.
[09:18] <confluency> Guest5057: at least not the first answer.
[09:18] <adrian_1908> ikonia: are you being deliberately difficult? the prior kernel boots fine, and the issue started after i did the kernel upgrade yesterday. what other variables would be in play here?
[09:18] <Guest5057> solved
[09:18] <ikonia> adrian_1908: no, I'm not
[09:18] <ikonia> adrian_1908: you're saying you should report it, but you have nothing to report
[09:18] <ikonia> adrian_1908: where is the actual problem ?
[09:19] <confluency> Guest5057: did you remove the dkms package?
[09:19] <Guest5057> confluency, yess
[09:19] <Guest5057> and i installed again
[09:19] <confluency> OK, cool. Does it work now?
[09:19] <Guest5057> yesss
[09:19] <confluency> And does it run without hanging?
[09:19] <adrian_1908> ikonia: i can only report my observation i guess, since i couldn't find any log with the cause. others might confirm that they ran into the same issue.
[09:20] <Guest5057> virtual machine is running now without hanging
[09:20] <blackflow> MrM1st: which disk is that? Primary, with root?
[09:20] <ikonia> adrian_1908: and that's the problem - an observation is not a bug report
[09:20] <confluency> Guest5057: awesome! Congratulations. :)
[09:20] <adrian_1908> ok, fair enough
[09:20] <ikonia> adrian_1908: so you managed to isolate that swapping the kernel impacts this, that's great, but that doesn't mean it's the kernel
[09:20] <Guest5057> confluency, thank you so much
[09:20] <ikonia> adrian_1908: that could be xorg not working with the kernel, or your video card modules not working with that kernel
[09:20] <ikonia> adrian_1908: also did anything else update at the same time as the kernel
[09:21] <confluency> Guest5057: no problem.
[09:21] <MrM1st> blackflow: /boot is on a separate USB
[09:21] <Guest5057> confluency, i wish the best for you
[09:21] <Guest5057> bye bye
[09:21] <MrM1st> blackflow: /boot is on USB, / is on the HDD
[09:21] <blackflow> MrM1st: so whiche one is timing out?
[09:21] <adrian_1908> ikonia: i think it might be related to nvidia drivers. but i wouldn't know how to investigate further. only the kernel was updated, that i remember.
[09:22] <ikonia> adrian_1908: few key things there, you think it's related to the nvidia drivers (that's great!) but you're talking about reporting the kernel (see the issue there) and only the kernel was updated "that I can remember" that's not the level of detail a bug report needs
[09:23] <ikonia> adrian_1908: you need to work the problem, change the drivers from nvidia to nv or vesa failsafe to see if that impacts it, work the xorg / greeter logs etc
[09:23] <MrM1st> blackflow: How do I know? there's some huge ID's here. Can I use that to see what disk it's trying to access?
[09:24] <oerheks> adrian_1908, you can make a bootchart, from current boot with 18.04/systemd it is: systemd-analyze plot > filename.svg
[09:24] <blackflow> MrM1st: yes, but from rescue mode or livecd using blkid -- I think those are UUIDs, right?   anyway, are you pulling the USB disk out before it finishes booting?
[09:25] <MrM1st> blackflow: Nope. It's still in there. I'm pulling it out after booting
[09:26] <blackflow> MrM1st: one likely solution, if this is not the primary device with root, is to set them nofail in fstab  (see fstab(5) manpage). but it'd be great if you could identify it first.
[09:26] <MrM1st> blackflow: After the timeout, I get "Dependency failed for /boot"
[09:26] <und> ru
[09:26] <blackflow> MrM1st: oh. that explains it. can you boot into rescue mode and pastebin your fstab?
[09:27] <MrM1st> blackflow: You think rescue mode will work?
[09:27] <blackflow> MrM1st: also remember or pastebin those UIDs from the error
[09:27] <blackflow> MrM1st: no idea.
[09:27] <MrM1st> I don't recognize those UID's
[09:28] <MrM1st> tried running blkid, but I don't recognize anything
[09:28] <blackflow> MrM1st: pastebin them, you'll run blkid from rescue mode, and we'll compare them. They're probably not the same
[09:28] <adrian_1908> oerheks: in the output graph, are the bright-red bars offenders of some sort or? I think it's not a delayed boot anymore, but rather a failure to display the graphical login (lightdm).
[09:29] <oerheks> no, those red are correct, it can tell some about delay
[09:30] <MrM1st> blackflow: Trying recovery mode now. However I'm not so sure this will work...
[09:30] <adrian_1908> oerheks: i will boot with the other kernel again to compare. brb.
[09:30] <blackflow> MrM1st: and what is "this"?
[09:31] <MrM1st> I'll send you a pm
[09:31] <blackflow> MrM1st: the recovery mode is to get to the shell and run those blkids and see if fstab needs correction. should also check grub config to see if correct disks are selected for booting.
[09:31] <blackflow> MrM1st: please don't.
[09:31] <MrM1st> blackflow: OK. I won't then.
[09:32] <MrM1st> The machine won't boot at all in recovery mode
[09:32] <MrM1st> Freezes after "Loadin initial ramdisk..."
[09:32] <MrM1st> +g
[09:33] <Xatenev> hello
[09:33] <blackflow> MrM1st: and that's when you boot from the USB disk?
[09:33] <Xatenev> how do i make the mouse faster in ubuntu :/
[09:33] <Xatenev> I do _not_ want to increase mouse acceleration, only mouse speed
[09:33] <Xatenev> and it seems impossible to do so...
[09:34] <MrM1st> blackflow: I've got another way to boot this machine. I can boot from the 18.04 installer
[09:34] <rory> I've got a bash script that outputs some lines, and I want to make the output of this available over telnet... right now I'm using this, which technically works, but is there a nicer way than "while true; do bash script.sh | nc -l 23" ?
[09:34] <MrM1st> blackflow: and chroot :P
[09:34] <blackflow> MrM1st: that's okay too. I suspect grub was not properly set up
[09:34] <blackflow> looking for root in wrong places.
[09:34] <MrM1st> blackflow: Might be a good assumption
[09:34] <MrM1st> Hold on... It'll be a few minutes here to set up the chroot
[09:34] <oerheks> Xatenev, systemsettings > devices > mous > mouse speed
[09:35] <Xatenev> oerheks, how do I open system settings via terminla?
[09:35] <oerheks> Xatenev, just use your panel
[09:35] <Xatenev> oerheks, I tried gnome-control-center
[09:35] <rory> preferably one that supports concurrent connections
[09:35] <Xatenev> but it looks kinda empty I guess its the wrong one
[09:36] <Xatenev> oerheks, I dont have any panel to start it from.
[09:36] <Xatenev> oerheks, https://gyazo.com/f270d7183f3ca595d1f0b5cd6345f1f2 I guess this is the wrong one?
[09:36] <oerheks> err what is this, 14.04?
[09:37] <Xatenev> oerheks, 16
[09:40] <oerheks> Xatenev, indeed, that menu has no mouse speed, nor gnome-tweak tool AFAIK
[09:40] <oerheks> you might try it, sudo apt-get install gnome-tweak-tool, unless you are on unity
[09:40] <oerheks> then it would be unity-tweak-tool
[09:41] <oerheks> 17.10/18.04 lTS have this setting
[09:41] <blackflow> MrM1st: btw, is that FDE or what's the reason you have /boot separate on an USB?
[09:41] <blackflow> MrM1st: you also mentioned kernel update.... was the USB stick plugged in, and /boot mounted when you ran the upgrade?
[09:43] <MrM1st> blackflow: Yes and yes
[09:43] <Devtron> I don't know if this is the right place to ask, but i am trying to install a server of ubuntu on a VM using virtual box, and i want to access the server from other computers on the network, so i am setting it to bridgemode, but it will not access the net, even doing instalation, in nat mode i get access, but i need it to get an ip so we can access it from the outside, been googling this problem
[09:43] <Devtron> for a while now
[09:44] <rory> Devtron: #vbox is definitely the right place, as the question is about how to do virtualbox networking (regardless of the guest OS being Ubuntu)
[09:44] <Devtron> thanks, was unable to locate that channel
[09:46] <MrM1st> blackflow: But why do you wonder about fstab? That doesn't get used until later in the process, right?
[09:47] <Xatenev> oerheks, gnome tweak tool doesnt seem to have a speed?
[09:47] <Xatenev> oerheks, This is "Keyboard and Mouse": https://gyazo.com/6273c06e25f4c1a5e2a1f8c37f9f79a5
[09:47] <MrM1st> blackflow: fstab refers to the /boot partition by UUID. But is that being used at all during boot?
[09:47] <Xatenev> but theres no slider for mouse speed or something
[09:48] <Xatenev> this is so dumb
[09:48] <Xatenev> I just wnat to adjust my fuckign mouse speed lol
[09:48] <Xatenev> why isnt there something like `$ set_mousespeed 5
[09:48] <oerheks> that i was afraid off .. use xinput like this?  https://askubuntu.com/questions/172972/configure-mouse-speed-not-pointer-acceleration
[09:49] <Xatenev> oerheks, well the answer is weird
[09:49] <Xatenev> hes explicitly asking for Configure mouse speed (not pointer acceleration!)
[09:49] <Xatenev> and the answer is "configure acceleration" :E
[09:50] <Max-P> anything but 1x is technically acceleration :p
[09:50] <oerheks> no, Device Accel Constant Deceleration
[09:50] <Xatenev> oerheks, thats the same. :p
[09:50] <kry0m> Hi. Does anyone has the problem of thumbnails for audiofiles (mp3) in dolphin not showing up?
[09:51] <rory> what would an mp3 thumbnail look like?
[09:51] <Xatenev> oerheks, when you set it lower - your mouse accelerates faster
[09:51] <Xatenev> i will just use acceleration now.. :p
[09:51] <Xatenev> and buy a mouse with higher DPI asap
[09:52] <MrM1st> blackflow: I'm trying to remove the boot partition from fstab
[09:53] <kry0m> rory: it would show the coverart embedded in the audiofile
[09:55] <MrM1st> blackflow: voila. I'm in! But... this is a serious issue though. Why should Ubuntu not boot because /boot is not being found? Seems like a bug?
[09:55] <rory> kry0m: has it ever worked? Maybe Dolphin doesn't support embedded album art. Try #kde
[09:57] <blackflow> MrM1st: no. systemd will consider it a fatal failure if a mount in fstab is not available. that's why I mentioned you need to set "nofail" for those mounts that might NOT be available on boot.
[09:58] <adrian_1908> oerheks: i ran the systemd-analyze commands, but am not sure what to make of it. a few services run long in the slow-boot case, but i don't think they're the reason necessarily, just using the time given to them. https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/88y5B5J7vy/
[09:58] <blackflow> MrM1st: fstab is used to define mountpoints once the kernel from /boot is loaded. initramfs mounts root and then pivots into that root, so while /boot is not required after grub does that, it _is_ required if listed in fstab without nofail
[09:59] <kry0m> rory: https://i.stack.imgur.com/oE679.gif
[09:59] <blackflow> despite what many think, this is a GOOD thing and NOT a bug. if you have mountpoints that MIGHT not exist, set them nofail.
[10:00] <kry0m> rory: in #kde no one ever seems to answer anything :(
[10:00] <rory> Looks like that's a feature, that it isn't displaying a preview unless "preview" is selected
[10:00] <rory> I'm going to shut up until someone who knows about Dolphin can answer tho
[10:01] <MrM1st> blackflow: You didn't mention nofail though, before now. But it seems like a thing to remember. I'll update my docs to remote /boot from fstab when installing /boot to USB. Thanks
[10:01] <kry0m> rory: i know but even in the preview mode it doesnt work
[10:02] <adrian_1908> Maybe related to my issue? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1779827
[10:03] <blackflow> MrM1st: yes I did :)  /lastlog nofail 5
[10:09] <BluesKaj> 'Morning folks
[10:09] <tiggster79> good morning
[10:09] <MrM1st> good morning
[10:09] <tiggster79> or evening here in Australia :)
[10:10] <BluesKaj> right
[10:11] <MrM1st> It's lunch here :P
[10:12] <DeathTickle1> after updating ubuntu 16.04 I got kernel 4.15 but now my wifi driver (bcmwl) isn't building.
[10:12] <DeathTickle1> should I report a bug ?
[10:13] <ikonia> DeathTickle1: no
[10:16] <DeathTickle1> okay... so how can I follow if a fix will be released ?
[10:18] <blackflow> DeathTickle1: what's the failure?
[10:20] <DeathTickle1> blackflow:  https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/B8Pn7ZvCHr/
[10:20] <arunkumar413> Hi folks
[10:21] <blackflow> DeathTickle1: and did you "Consult /var/lib/dkms/bcmwl/6.30.223.271+bdcom/build/make.log for more information"?
[10:21] <arunkumar413> I have a ISO image on a USB stick. How to make it bootable on a mac system
[10:21] <sunls> ..
[10:22] <sunls> anything people?
[10:23] <sunls> you  ren mei?
[10:24] <DeathTickle1> blackflow: yeah, during compilation there are a few errors : https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/C5P4fZydcV/
[10:27] <blackflow> DeathTickle1: what was the previous kernel version? not 4.14.x ?
[10:27] <blackflow> DeathTickle1: looks like that driver source will have to be upgraded for the new kernel.
[10:28] <DeathTickle1> I was on 4.13
[10:28] <blackflow> DeathTickle1: yeah, that's it then. Out-of-tree drivers need to be in sync with the kernel version.
[10:31] <DeathTickle1> blackflow:  well it was also working on the previous kernel version 4.4
[10:31] <blackflow> DeathTickle1: I would file a bug report against bcmwl-kernel-source, make sure you post there this last post where invalid sig of kernel_read() is listed as error.
[10:31] <blackflow> DeathTickle1: uhm, I'm assuming that's the package, yes?
[10:31] <DeathTickle1> it is
[10:32] <blackflow> DeathTickle1: yeah, from that error, it appears that kernel_read() changed attribute types and the compiler is barking at that.
[10:33] <DeathTickle1> kernel_read is just a warning, I see multiple errors in wl_init_timer though
[10:33] <blackflow> DeathTickle1: oh you're right, I was looking at the wrong line
[10:38] <BluesKaj> DeathTickle1, which BCM chip ?
[10:38] <blackflow> DeathTickle1: yeah, struct timer_list changed in 4.15:  https://elixir.bootlin.com/linux/v4.15/source/include/linux/timer.h#L13
[10:39] <DeathTickle1> BluesKaj: kernel: wlan0: Broadcom BCM4331 802.11 Hybrid Wireless Controller 6.30.223.271 (r587334)
[10:39] <blackflow> DeathTickle1: lost "data" member since 4.13:  https://elixir.bootlin.com/linux/v4.13/source/include/linux/timer.h#L12
[10:42] <DeathTickle1> weird the build works fine on the kernel 4.13 I already have
[10:43] <MrM1st> I'd like to run a specific script when my laptop is on a certain subnet. How do I fix that?
[10:44] <blackflow> DeathTickle1: this is definitely due to changes in the kernel source, and also apparently in compilation requirements with those two -Werror(s)
[10:45] <blackflow> (and even those kernel_read() missing casts are bugs if you ask me, even though the compiler just warned)
[10:45] <ramsub07> Hi, when i reboot my system, I have entered the login loop. I am not able to run nvidia-smi command and it says driver version mismatch
[10:46] <ramsub07> I tried the solutions given here, https://stackoverflow.com/questions/43022843/nvidia-nvml-driver-library-version-mismatch didn't work for me
[10:46] <ramsub07> will be really happy to get some help here :)
[10:51] <Pikachihuahua> yo
[10:51] <DeathTickle1> blackflow: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/bcmwl would be where I report the bug ?
[10:51] <Pikachihuahua> hello
[10:52] <BluesKaj> looks to me like you should be using the nvidia-390 driver, ramsub07 , try running sudo ubuntu-drivers list
[10:52] <ramsub07> BluesKaj: yes, exactly
[10:53] <ramsub07> i seem to have 3 versions apparently
[10:53] <ramsub07> how do i uninstall the two versions that i don't want ?
[10:54] <blackflow> DeathTickle1: or use `ubuntu-bug bcmwl-kernel-source` from the command line
[10:54] <BluesKaj> don't think you have 3 installed, you may have to choose from one of the 3 available
[10:54] <BluesKaj> ramsub07,^
[10:55] <blackflow> DeathTickle1: there's a number of related packages under bcmwl source, so I'm not 100% sure thats' the correct one.
[10:55] <ramsub07> BluesKaj: how do i choose ?
[10:56] <BluesKaj> ramsub07, run sudo apt install nvidia-390
[10:56] <ramsub07> BluesKaj: thanks
[10:56] <ramsub07> so sudo apt-get remove nvidia-384 will remove 384?
[10:56] <BluesKaj> BBIAB
[10:56] <DeathTickle1> blackflow: looks like I am seeing this bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/bcmwl/+bug/1779021
[10:57] <BluesKaj> ramsub07, installing the 390 should remove the existing driver automatically
[10:57] <ramsub07> BluesKaj: thanks!
[10:58] <ramsub07> BluesKaj: i thought of removing all the packages and installing and hence i $sudo apt-get remove --purge nvidia-*
[10:59] <blackflow> DeathTickle1: maybe. but I'd file a new one anyway, looks like hte package is 'bcmwl'
[10:59] <ramsub07> i run into an error "gzip stdout : No space left on device"
[10:59] <ramsub07> i am not sure why that is happening, especially when i'm trying to remove
[11:03] <Younder> Yes, funny there seems to be so much trouble with the NVIDIA drivers considering they sell several servers and workstations with Ubuntu installations.
[11:05] <Younder> Still since it is NVIDIA and not Ubuntu that maintain the drivers you had better ask there.
[11:05] <rajendra> Which is the best code deployment tool for Ubuntu?
[11:05] <Younder> Or you can linp along with Novaux
[11:15] <BluesKaj> ramsub07, run sudo apt-get autoremove && sudo apt-get autoclean
[11:27] <BluesKaj> Younder, the ubuntu package proprietary drivers receive kernel updates and upgrades, the nvidia website drivers work until a kernel upgrade comes down and then they stop working because they aren't supported.
[11:34] <DeathTickle1> so I found a bug with some activity about my bcmwl issue https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/bcmwl/+bug/1757008, looks like a fix exists in xenial-proposed package
[11:36] <blackflow> DeathTickle1: great. You could test it and then confirm it fixed your issue on that PR
[11:36] <blackflow> *if it fixed
[11:37] <[twisti]> i have a weird and horrible question: i would care to write a file (ascii/text, if that matters) to a remote host which i can only access via ssh. the writing client is running on windows, so on that end, there are no shell tools. currently, i mount the remote pc via sshfs, but that is spotty at best on windows. i was thinking that maybe i could start something to pipe the inputstream to a file via ssh,
[11:37] <[twisti]> anything like that out there ? throughput performance is a concern sadly.
[11:39] <ppf> [twisti]: why not upload with scp
[11:40] <ppf> or sftp
[11:40] <Younder> BluesKaj, Though that is true the driver installation does Kernel patches so that should not be a problem.. (SHOULD)
[11:40] <[twisti]> ppf: because neither is available on the client
[11:40] <ppf> [twisti]: so what _is_ available on the client
[11:40] <DeathTickle1> blackflow: it works so far !
[11:41] <ppf> [twisti]: we can't really guess
[11:41] <ppf> and, if your in such a locked-down scenario, you'd better ask windows channels
[11:41] <[twisti]> ppf: nothing, i would have mentioned it otherwise. just a program that can open an ssh connection and send data to the input
[11:42] <ppf> [twisti]: then, what is the question?
[11:42] <silv3r_m00n> hi, my monitor has a resolution of 1920x1080 can i want it to be less wide. can i get a resolution of something like 1600x1080 ?
[11:42] <silv3r_m00n> is some setting available in ubuntu for that ?
[11:42] <[twisti]> ppf: "whats a good way to get data from the input stream into a file on linux", i suppose
[11:43] <ppf> ">"
[11:43] <[twisti]> im not sure how i would use that to read from stdin
[11:43] <ppf> >foo; # everything you type goes into foo
[11:44] <[twisti]> i see, thank you, that seems helpful
[11:54] <blackflow> silv3r_m00n: not 1600x1080 but maybe you could force one of the non-native but standard resolutions with a custom xorg.conf.
[11:54] <silv3r_m00n> blackflow: actually i do not want to use a non native resolution, instead i want to cut off some pixels
[11:55] <blackflow> silv3r_m00n: no idea if that's possible.
[11:55] <blackflow> maybe just get a 4:3 screen or something?
[11:55] <silv3r_m00n> like make thick borders appear on left and right side and my logical resolution be 1600 x 1080
[11:56] <silv3r_m00n> blackflow: i just got a new monitor, it feels big
[11:56] <silv3r_m00n> so i am thinking of tricks to make the display smaller
[11:57] <silv3r_m00n> its a lg 24 inch
[11:57] <blackflow> silv3r_m00n: I think you're better of just getting an adequate monitor.
[11:58] <Younder> Just get used to it is my advice. Haing gone through the same I can say it will seem perfectly normal after a couple of months. The extra screen estate is worth it.
[11:58] <silv3r_m00n> or is there some way to clip the "maximise" button area. like if a window is maximised, it should not get wider than 1600 px but can take full height
[11:59] <silv3r_m00n> i was earlier using samsung 19 inch and started feeling lack of vertical space on many websites, i went for an upgrade, i thought 1920x1080 on 22 inch would have higher dpi and smaller fonts, so i chose 24 inches, but it feels massive, though at the shop it did not feel this big
[12:08] <silv3r_m00n> hi
[12:11] <root> www.instagram.com
[12:21] <samgoody> It has been a while since 18.04 was released, but I have not gotten prompted with dist-upgrade to a new release
[12:21] <samgoody> Am I supposed to be doing do-release-upgrade
[12:21] <samgoody> Or is it recommended to wait some more before moving?
[12:21] <samgoody> Am on 16.04
[12:21] <raidghost> is it not needed to upgrade to 17 first
[12:22] <raidghost> and then 18?
[12:22] <samgoody> I thought from LTS to LTS was automattic
[12:22] <blackflow> samgoody: LTS upgrade (16.04.x to 18.04.x) will become available wtih 18.04.1
[12:22] <tomreyn> direct upgrades from 16.04 to 18.04 will be supported and enabled some time after 18.04.1 is released
[12:22] <samgoody> OK, so will wait for now.
[12:23] <svip> Why does Xorg use a constant of 2% CPU?  All I am doing is running Firefox and a terminal window.
[12:23] <svip> Firefox, for its part, is constantly flickering between 1 and 10% CPU usage, even though I am doing nothing.
[12:23] <Younder> Firefox is a huge app. Why are you surprised
[12:23] <svip> Younder: That Xorg is constantly using 2%!
[12:24] <svip> It didn't in 16.04.
[12:24] <svip> Now I am using 18.04.
[12:24] <samgoody> Oh wow, another three weeks till expected release date of 18.04.01 - why so long?
[12:24] <blackflow> svip: because opengl on xorg involves CPU.
[12:25] <svip> blackflow: Why has that changed from 16.04?
[12:25] <samgoody> Thats a question, not  a complaint
[12:25] <MrM1st> Any tips on how to run a specific script automatically when connection to a specific network?
[12:25] <blackflow> svip: and if you're using a non-accelerated DE then that's your answer too
[12:25] <svip> Is XFCE not accelerated?
[12:26] <blackflow> svip: if compositor is enabled, it is. dunno if it does it automatically or you have to explicitly enable
[12:27] <svip> All I am saying is; in 16.04, I could leave my laptop after doing work on it, and it would calm down (fans stopping), but now (18.04), once the fans come on, they are unlikely to quiet down without me turning the laptop off to cool it down.
[12:27] <ursel> hi there
[12:27] <blackflow> svip: which gpu?
[12:28] <bacarrdy> Hello, i have installed ubuntu 18.08 and my PC have 2 gpus: 1: integrated intel; 2: nvidia.
[12:28] <svip> blackflow: Quadro 2000M.  Yes, it's an older laptop (2012), and I am using the open source nvidia driver, because the prioritary was worse.
[12:28] <bacarrdy> i manually installed nvidia driver and created Xorg.conf to make nvidia as secondary
[12:29] <bacarrdy> i`m using that nvidia for rendering, the main problem is that integrated intel GPU is lagging
[12:29] <bacarrdy> i`m thinking that it doesnt has correct driver
[12:29] <blackflow> svip: nouveau has always been causing the cpu fans to spin up. what's the latest proprietary you tried?
[12:29] <ursel> have here an ubuntubox from a friend, installed 5 days before, after installing updates there are suddenly boot messages like: "a start job is running for hold"
[12:29] <blackflow> svip: (nouvau has been ...... for me)
[12:30] <sdfgsd> hi so I'm backing up some folders with rsync but for millions of very small files there's a bottleneck and rsync pauses for 2-3 seconds and then continues
[12:30] <svip> blackflow: 396, I believe.  The newest one in the graphics-driver PPA.
[12:30] <bacarrdy> i have searched for intel gpu drivers, but i have found that intel doesnt created it for ubuntu 18.08
[12:30] <ursel> that costs 10 minutes at start, has someone an idea how to remove?
[12:30] <sdfgsd> what's this bottleneck caused by ?
[12:30] <blackflow> sdfgsd: by millions of very small files.
[12:30] <svip> blackflow: The problem is my laptop has Optimus, and with the driver installed, udevd is forced to constantly turn the kernel module on and off.
[12:30] <ramsub07> Hi, I am not able to mount the external hard drive which is present in my system. I am able to see sda which is 2.7tb. and even I am able to see this hard drive as /dev/sda when i run "fdisk -l"
[12:31] <blackflow> ursel: you have to figure out why that service is failing. check the logs.   journalctl -u <service name here>.service
[12:31] <svip> blackflow: And that constant 'flicking of the switch' (if you will) caused the fans to spin even more.
[12:31] <sdfgsd> no I think it's something about the inode chunks, buffers or something
[12:31] <ramsub07> How do i make this /dev/sda as /dev/sda1 and mount? (Given that my partition is exfat)
[12:31] <sdfgsd> it pauses every 5 seconds
[12:31] <sdfgsd> why
[12:31] <blackflow> svip: ah that's frequent complaint here.
[12:31] <svip> blackflow: Is there any known solution?
[12:32] <blackflow> sdfgsd: what does? rsync output or actuall I/O?
[12:32] <ursel> blackflow, that was snappy daemon, i de-installed it, after that there was only the message  "a start job is running for hold" - without name
[12:32] <blackflow> svip: I don't know, sorry, I'm not paying attention to those discussion threads.
[12:33] <blackflow> ursel: what's "hold", is that a service?
[12:33] <bacarrdy> ramsub07: if this is new and never used disk then you need to format it to correct format, but if you already have inside some data then you need to mount it only and if there is no sda1 it means that there is no any partition inside
[12:33] <blackflow> ursel: when it boots, please check with    systemctl list-units --failed
[12:34] <ramsub07> bacarrdy: hi, i have used this disk before. my system was force shutdown dueto a power cut and since the reboot, i'm having this problem
[12:34] <ramsub07> I already transferred data when i was using this system before the reboot
[12:35] <sdfgsd> blackflow: I think it's both, because it's the IO - file lookup performance
[12:35] <bacarrdy> what error you getting when trying to mount it?
[12:36] <sdfgsd> it's looking up thousands of files before copy and write / backup
[12:36] <ursel> blackflow, nothing fails: 0 loaded units listed
[12:36] <blackflow> sdfgsd: one thing to note is that with many small files, rsync could be checking them faster than the kernel does actual copying of data, due to the filesystem being interacted with in pages, and there's the kernel page cache
[12:36] <ursel> but the boot time has growed from 10 seconds to 10 minutes
[12:36] <blackflow> sdfgsd: if your I/O is saturated you don't have to concern yourself with those "pauses"
[12:36] <bacarrdy> ramsub07: what error you getting when trying to mount it?
[12:36] <ramsub07> bacarrdy: using mount -t <> ?
[12:37] <blackflow> ursel: is tehre such service?   systemctl status hold.service   shows anything?
[12:37] <ramsub07> bacarrdy: i don't have /dev/sda1 or /dev/sda2 or /dev/sda3 etc...
[12:37] <bacarrdy> ramsub07: yes try to mount it via terminal and then you should see the exact error. you can try mount /dev/sda
[12:38] <blackflow> ursel: okay I'm stupid.   is that  "Hold until boot process finishes up"  ?  and you just had it clipped off?
[12:38] <ursel> blackflow, yes
[12:38] <ursel> sry
[12:38] <ramsub07> bacarrdy: FUSE exfat 1.2.3 ERROR: exFAT file system is not found.
[12:39] <ramsub07> bacarrdy: i used, sudo mount -t exfat /dev/sda /eHd/
[12:39] <pax_rhos> hello
[12:39] <bacarrdy> ramsub07: try without -t may be it knows what filesystem your partition is
[12:39] <blackflow> ursel: I think that's plymouth-quit-wait.service .   Can you pastebin   journalctl -u plymouth-quit-wait.service   ?
[12:39] <pax_rhos> I've updated packets and now only 1 of my monitors works
[12:39] <pax_rhos> with a shitty resolution
[12:39] <pax_rhos> nvidia
[12:40] <ramsub07> bacarrdy: perfect!! Thank you very much
[12:40] <bacarrdy> ramsub07: you are welcome :)
[12:40] <pax_rhos> https://paste.ee/p/9i70m nvidia-settings results into errors
[12:41] <bacarrdy> ohh nvidia, was playing with this month ago :)
[12:41] <ursel> blackflow, https://pastebin.com/4DW9quA8
[12:42] <blackflow> ursel: what about   journalctl -p err -b  ?
[12:42] <HashedFox> hi
[12:43] <pax_rhos> halp, please
[12:43] <HashedFox> I am getting a hash mismatch error when trying to do `apt-get update`.
[12:43] <HashedFox> I tried doing this: sudo rm -rf /var/lib/apt/lists/*; sudo apt clean; sudo apt update;
[12:43] <HashedFox> But that didn't work. I am still getting the error. How do I fix this?
[12:44] <bacarrdy> pax_rhos: i sugest reinstall nvidia driver and install it manually (dont use PPA because they isnt good solution)
[12:44] <ursel> blackflow, https://pastebin.com/b0iFXaFv
[12:44] <ursel> snap is installed again
[12:44] <pax_rhos> bacarrdy: there is a ton of nvidia-related packages, which one do I need?
[12:44] <bacarrdy> pax_rhos: to install nvidia driver manually its quite easy task
[12:45] <pax_rhos> I have nvidia-340 (340.106)
[12:45] <pax_rhos> because my gpu is low tier / old
[12:45] <bacarrdy> just download latest nvidia driver from oficial nvidia web page, and run it (probably you will need to blacklist few modules) and that driver will install all required apackages for you
[12:46] <pax_rhos> what's nvidia-prime? do I need it?
[12:46] <bacarrdy> yes by default it should be
[12:47] <bacarrdy> but it is used to switch primary used gpu
[12:47] <pax_rhos> my built-in gpu is intel
[12:47] <pax_rhos> I don't use it
[12:47] <bacarrdy> yes then you need to install nvidia-prime
[12:47] <BluesKaj> bacarrdy, the nvidia websitr driver will only work iuntil the next kernel upgrade because the kernel module changes won't apply to that driver version.
[12:48] <HashedFox> What's the advantage of having a graphics driver installed? Will the display look better with it?
[12:48] <bacarrdy> and then just try switch prime-select nvidia
[12:48] <ursel> blackflow, snap came back with installing mate, tried that because i thougt, it is good to change the display manager
[12:48] <ursel> but it is equal, both are slow - gdm3 and lightdm
[12:49] <blackflow> ursel: I'd try two things here. First, set a sane timeout to plymouth-quit-wait.service, and second try boot without the 'splash' keyword in the kernel command line in grub
[12:50] <blackflow> ursel: do you know how to override systemd services?
[12:50] <blackflow> ursel: service configs I mean
[12:50] <pingwindyktator> Hello. Im trying to understand one upstart-related thing - I've got respawn stanza included in conf file and my exec looks like exec sudo -u some_user
[12:51] <pingwindyktator> When Im killing this job (sudo kill pid), it does not respawns
[12:51] <bacarrdy> BluesKaj: i have already updated kernel and everything works because of DKMS
[12:51] <ursel> blackflow, no - i will search for it and find :-D - when not, i come back
[12:51] <ursel> thx
[12:51] <pingwindyktator> the solution is to replace exec ... with export HOME="/root" && exec ...
[12:51] <pingwindyktator> why is that?
[12:53] <blackflow> ursel: for starters you could just try without the 'splash' keyword.   reboot, hold shift key for the grub menu to appear, then hit the 'e' key, use arrows to reach the line containing 'vmlinuz' and then remove 'splash', hit F10 to continue booting that.
[12:54] <blackflow> ursel: that's temporary change. if that fixes your problem, you can permanently disable splash via /etc/default/grub  (don't forget to run update-grub afterwards)
[12:54] <ursel> blackflow, thx, i will try this
[12:55] <blackflow> ursel: the other thing, systemd service config override involves running     systemctl edit plymouth-quit-wait.service     and then adding elements you want to override, in this case   [Service]    block and under it,  TimeoutSec=30    (for example 30 sec), but then I'm not quite sure why that isn't sane already and what exactly does that service (more precisely plymouth --wait) do
[12:56] <blackflow> ursel: the systemctl edit command is shortcut for creating an override file under /etc/systemd/system/plymouth-quit-wait.service.d/...
[12:58] <ursel> blackflow, done, thx, reboot now
[13:03] <blackflow> ursel: what was quick. fixed? :)
[13:03] <ursel> blackflow, that worked fine, yes, thx
[13:03] <blackflow> ursel: which part exactly? no startjob at all, or there was but it lasted only 30s ?
[13:04] <ursel> blackflow, splash is removed and so i cant see no more what happens (quiet remains)
[13:05] <ursel> think, timeout worked
[13:05] <blackflow> ursel: you can remove quiet too, to see systemd output during boot
[13:05] <ursel> blackflow, exactly what i do in this moment
[13:09] <pax_rhos> bacarrdy: https://i.imgur.com/dqZYKZS.png there's no GT 210
[13:16] <bacarrdy> pax_rhos: just try to figure out what gpu is used at this moment
[13:18] <bacarrdy> pax_rhos: to check what curent gpu is used: prime-select query
[13:18] <bacarrdy> pax_rhos: to change curently used gpu to invidia: prime-select nvidia
[13:24] <dserodio> Ubuntu often tells me I need to restart after installing updates, how can I tell which packages are asking for a restart?
[13:24] <bacarrdy> dserodio: probably kernel updates are asking for reboot
[13:25] <BluesKaj> dserodio, no default packages and kernel upgrades
[13:25] <BluesKaj> non default
[13:25] <dserodio> bacarrdy: I enabled "Canonical Livepatch" hoping these frequent restart prompts would go away, but they didn't
[13:30] <geodb27> People : hi ! What would be the best way to get all available php versions that can be installed, including the versions proposed by repositories that were added along the official ones ?
[13:30] <bacarrdy> dserodio: you can update manually via terminal :) then it will not ask for reboot :) probablly :) .
[13:32] <Fuchs> geodb27: apt policy    should list them
[13:35] <geodb27> Fuchs: first of all, thanks for your answer. And no, it only show "official" ones. Here, on the server I launch "apt policy php", it lists versions 7.0 and 7.2. I've added ondrej's ppa, and php5.6 don't show up.
[13:35] <Fuchs> did you do an apt update afterwards, and does the packagename match?
[13:38] <bacarrdy> apt search php | grep -oE php'[0-9]'.'[0-9]' | sort | uniq
[13:38] <bacarrdy> :)
[13:39] <bacarrdy> but if you want to search for php versions whats not in your soure list :) then you need to use google
[13:39] <bacarrdy> :)
[13:45] <hfp> Hi all, how is ZFS on Ubuntu server? Is it a good idea to use this filesystem?
[13:46] <blackflow> hfp: yup
[13:50] <hfp> blackflow: what's the ram footprint with compression enabled but not deduplication? is it as insane as what freenas recommends, i.e. at least 8GB?
[13:51] <hfp> and also, can it be used as the rootfs or storage only?
[13:51] <blackflow> hfp: you can run ZFS with as least as 64MB. ZFS thrives on RAM, but doesn't _require_ it unless you dedupe.
[13:51] <ursel> hi - back
[13:51] <blackflow> hfp: I run all ubuntu servers with ZFS root on LUKS
[13:52] <blackflow> hfp: the only "problem" is that the installer doesn't support this, so you'll have to do it with debootstrap
[13:53] <hfp> blackflow: is https://github.com/zfsonlinux/zfs/wiki where all the most up to date info is at?
[13:54] <blackflow> hfp: yup
[13:55] <hfp> blackflow: thanks
[13:55] <blackflow> hfp: you don't have to follow the partitioning layout exactly as in the wiki though
[13:55] <ursel> blackflow, it is a curious thing. After new install all works perfect. I update, then the boot process hangs. Now you cant see no more anything with systemctl
[13:55] <mystic> whats the ubuntu room called for chat, not questions?  thanks
[13:55] <blackflow> ursel: update what, the kernel?
[13:55] <ursel> the complete system
[13:55] <ursel> dist-upgrade
[13:55] <porton> mysql or mariadb or percona on my PC for testing purposes?
[13:56] <blackflow> mystic: #ubuntu-discuss and #ubuntu-offtopic
[13:56] <mystic> thx
[13:56] <blackflow> ursel: which gpu do you have there? I found this which might explain the cause (and solution):  https://askubuntu.com/questions/760825/cannot-boot-system-due-to-start-job-running-for-hold
[13:57] <hfp> blackflow: one more thing, how do you deal with entering the passphrase and rebooting your server?
[13:57] <geodb27> Thanks a lot for the oneliner bacarrdy, it does the stuff :-)
[13:57] <blackflow> ursel: though my guess is the problem is with the gpu drivers and KMS in early boot
[13:57] <blackflow> hfp: yes, with dropbear in initramfs, over ssh
[13:58] <porton> mysql or mariadb or percona on my PC? (to test my DB scripts)
[13:58] <ursel> blackflow, hmm, thats a new installation with 18.04 - you think, it is worth to test that (it is for 16.04)
[13:58] <ursel> blackflow, the system here is 18.04
[13:59] <XV8> Quick question about clustering. Is it generally safe to install updates on one node in the cluster and it sync to the other nodes or would it be safer to update those individually?
[13:59] <ursel> blackflow, its an intel, thats right
[13:59] <blackflow> hfp: https://dpaste.de/LffV
[13:59] <hfp> blackflow: This is probably a dumb question but I could never answer it myself: if the partition is automatically decrypted on boot and the passphrase is saved, why encrypt at all? Anyone getting hold of the machine and booting it will decrypt the data without your consent or knowing your passphrase. what am I missing?
[14:00] <blackflow> hfp: yeah, but who said anything about decrypting automatically :)   the setup I use puts dropbear ssh server into initramfs, so you ssh in and unlock via /lib/cryptsetup/passfifo  (you echo the passphrase to that)
[14:00] <notebook> hello?  how to upgrade 32bit ubuntu to 64bit without reinstall all system? my CPU  is intel P8700
[14:01] <hfp> blackflow: right, I see, it starts an ssh server upon booting for you to login and enter the passphrase. so then you can't have the machine restart itself with unattended-upgrades or do remote reboots.
[14:01] <blackflow> hfp: the autimagic relies on several things: 1) existence of dropbear on the system, 2) dropbear configured (see that pastebin of mine), 3) propery set up crypttab     and it all works automatically in that dropbear starts and booting process waits until rootfs is unlocked.
[14:01] <blackflow> hfp: one shouldn't use unattended upgrades on servers anyway. too much trouble. test EVERY update first.
[14:03] <bacarrdy> geodb27: you are welcome :)
[14:03] <blackflow> hfp: oh, you'll need to install zfs-initramfs beside zfsutils-linux, it doesn't come automatically, for zfs on root and initramfs support.
[14:04] <hfp> blackflow: I tried not having unattended upgrades but couldn't keep all my machines up to date so I thought it's better to have up to date servers than risking an update breaking the system. What's your procedure for testing updates?
[14:04] <hfp> blackflow: noted
[14:04] <blackflow> ursel: I'd look through dmesg and journal to find any clues wrt intel gpu during boot
[14:04] <blackflow> hfp: having a test server where updates are run through before production. automation with stuff like Ansible, SaltStack, Chef or Puppet, helps you maintain many servers
[14:05] <blackflow> hfp: usually the breakage comes from kernel updates, we've had stuff like broken boots and broken apparmor caused by it, caught by running the upgrades before prod
[14:06] <notebook> hello?  how to upgrade 32bit ubuntu to 64bit without reinstall all system? my CPU  is intel P8700. Does it will happend?
[14:06] <blackflow> so yeah, kernel livepatch is another no-no.   I suppose unless you're paying for it, and all the free users catch the bugs first :)
[14:07] <lotuspsychje> notebook: can't, reinstall the architecture clean
[14:07] <hfp> blackflow: I use ansible yes so my thinking was that if an update breaks, I can always wipe and reinstall from the playbooks/roles and import the backups. is your setup usable in a homelab environment? do you have as many testing servers as you do have production server configs? do you have a way to automatically test the update went well or is it as simple as curl test.example.org and see if the app is still
[14:07] <hfp> up and responding after upgrading?
[14:08] <hfp> blackflow: by useable I actually meant practical
[14:08] <lotuspsychje> notebook: also if your system is 64-bit capable, always install a 64bit ubuntu
[14:08] <blackflow> hfp: well we have monitoring in place for individual services, so it's not just curl. and we don't have huge criticality, a single server where mostly reboots are tested suffices. Also the big thing is ZFS snapshots, so we can easily roll back for minimum downtime in case of borkage.
[14:09] <notebook> 64-bit capable is depend on CPU?
[14:09] <lotuspsychje> notebook: yes
[14:09] <hfp> blackflow: yeah snapshots is half of why I want zfs :) do you snapshot regularly with cron? what's your retention strategy?
[14:09] <adrian_1908> notebook: yes, on CPU. P8700 (Core 2 Duo from the looks of it) should support 64bit fine.
[14:10] <hfp> blackflow: and what do you use for monitoring? I was looking at prometheus with influxdb as a longer term datastore but didn't fully figure it all ou yet
[14:10] <notebook> Oh, good   this CPU is quite old
[14:11] <blackflow> hfp: data(base) is snapshot every 5 minutes, zfs sent to another machine and we drop >6 hourlies, >30 daylies (hourlies at midnight are renamed to dailies)
[14:11] <blackflow> hfp: rootfs only before upgrades, also zfs sent out
[14:11] <notebook> thank you. I search it later
[14:12] <bluesmonk> Hi everyone! After installing docker in ubuntu 18.04 something broke and now the dns service in my local network is funny. Can you please have a look at https://stackoverflow.com/questions/51105875/internet-connection-not-working-networkmanager-not-working-after-installing-dock
[14:12] <blackflow> hfp: for monitoring we have a mix of Munin and custom checks for services, partially integrated with SaltStack so it's all centralized throuhg Salt. I contemplatet Nagios, but this works so well for us...
[14:16] <hfp> blackflow: thanks
[14:18] <blackflow> hfp: yw
[14:32] <hfp> blackflow: one more question: how do you restore the snapshot if the upgrade borks everything? mount the pool on another machine/rescuecd and restore the snapshot this way?
[14:35] <mr_lou> HELP!!!!  Why does Ubuntu hate my optical burner? Since kernel 4.4.0-98 it was no longer detected. I had to boot on older kernels every time I wanted to burn something. Then finally in kernel 4.4.0-128 it worked again. But now in kernel 4.4.0-130 it's again no longer detected - and this time it doesn't even help booting an older kernel!!! :-(((((
[14:35] <lotuspsychje> mr_lou: your ubuntu version?
[14:36] <mr_lou> lotuspsychje, 16.04
[14:36] <lotuspsychje> mr_lou: updated system to 16.04.4?
[14:36] <mr_lou> Um... how do I check that? Command?
[14:36] <lotuspsychje> mr_lou: lsb_release -a
[14:37] <Chrisbur2> Hi guys, im traying to learn how to change from my Windows, to Ubuntu. :) but its really difficult for me make the change. any suggestion or recomendation for a noob guy wans to learn how to learn
[14:37] <Chrisbur2> ?
[14:37] <Chrisbur2> :)
[14:37] <mr_lou> lotuspsychje, Description:	Ubuntu 16.04.4 LTS
[14:37] <lotuspsychje> mr_lou: ok good
[14:37] <lotuspsychje> !manual | Chrisbur2 start here
[14:38] <lotuspsychje> Chrisbur2: do you want to install ubuntu?
[14:40] <adithya> okay!
[14:42] <Chrisbur2> Thanks lotuspsychje
[14:42] <Chrisbur2> i wil start review it
[14:42] <blackflow> hfp: yes through a rescue env, but ultimately we'll have an initramfs script that will revert the rootfs dataset between unlocking and mounting it
[14:43] <blackflow> hfp: already have some custom initramfs for that in testing
[14:53] <beaver> https://www.reddit.com/r/Ubuntu/comments/61elcn/ethernet_no_longer_works_since_i_tried_changing/
[14:53] <beaver> oops sorry
[14:54] <compdoc> ban beaver now!!
[14:54] <compdoc> jk  :)
[14:55] <beaver> ^^
[15:01] <sruli> in 16.04 i had a udev rule whenconnecting a usb device it attaches it to a vm (libvirt), in 18.04 something has changed in udev wont settle the device before the script finishes executing and the device can't be attached before its settled, i had to make a inotifywait and get udev to echo "" to a file after which inotifywait executes the script, i really do not want to rely on inotifywait, how can i resolve this catch 22 situation?
[15:04] <grr12314> hello. why is X running on tty 2? can i change it back to tty 7, 8, 9?
[15:05] <grr12314> after some automatic system updates my alt+fX keys start to switch to tty X, alt-left/right switch ttys too
[15:06] <grr12314> ad if i were in a textmode tty not a graphic one
[15:06] <grr12314> as if*
[15:06] <grr12314> and i guess it is because X is running on tty 2 which is typically a text tty
[15:07] <grr12314> anyone got any clues about how to fix it?
[15:08] <ursel> blackflow: the problem is figured out: it is a problem with kernel ...24, all others work.
[15:08] <ursel> by
[15:13] <luxio> anyone know of a program that lets you read md files?
[15:13] <luxio> something offline
[15:14] <coconut> Do the pre-configured rules inside Gufw firewall check on the binaries too(location, hash)?
[15:16] <blackflow> coconut: what do you mean? it's a network packet filter
[15:22] <hfp> coconut: it sounds like you want something like suricata, ufw is just a different api to iptables which is a firewall and only looks at individual packets (mostly)
[15:23] <hfp> s/firewall/packet filter
[15:26] <Jedee2011> hi guys, i'm upgrading to a 31/5 inch monitor, and i would love to reset all the graphics of my current Xubuntu install, i've enlarged all the workbars and more stuff, how can i reset this?
[15:28] <coconut> blackflow: i wanted to know whether it would have such feature.
[15:28] <blackflow> Jedee2011: should be automatic. Are you forcing anything through xorg.conf?
[15:28] <blackflow> coconut: no, it's a network packet filter. If you want something like a HIDS, try out AIDE
[15:28] <blackflow> !info aide
[15:28] <Jedee2011> @blackflow, i'm also going to hook it up to my Intel graphics instead of old AMD
[15:29] <coconut> thnx
[15:29] <Jedee2011> and it's a Xubuntu install not Ubuntu, hope i'm at the right place asking this
[15:30] <blackflow> Jedee2011: @ is not required, this is not twitter. Just start typing a nick and use TAB for completion, at the very beginning of a sentence
[15:30] <Jedee2011> ah ! sorry real noob here
[15:30] <Jedee2011> blackflow: got it now :)
[15:30] <blackflow> yup :)
[15:31] <blackflow> Jedee2011: otherwise it might not trigger highlights, as @ could be part of the nick
[15:31] <blackflow> well actually no, on irc it's op sign... but anyway.
[15:32] <Jedee2011> blackflow: i understand it i think, would using another graphics card reset the graphics?
[15:32] <blackflow> Jedee2011: there's nothing to reset, it should be all automatic detection. what problem are you having exactly?
[15:33] <blackflow> Jedee2011: oh wait, you're talking about changing dpi/icon sizes/font sizes    ?
[15:34] <Jedee2011> blackflow: yes, because of my bad eyes i've made toolbars and workbars quite large
[15:35] <Jedee2011> i've got a 24 inch monitor now, and soon to a 31.5 inch one, i want to reset dpi toolbars and all the toolbar sizes
[15:35] <Jedee2011> sorry bit of a mish mash
[15:36] <blackflow> Jedee2011: somewhere in settings, sorry I don't use xfce and don't know off the top of my head. look for things like "scaling".    Or maybe something like this, but make sure you back up those files first (copy somewhere else):  https://askubuntu.com/questions/224006/resetting-xfce-panels-to-default-settings
[15:38] <Jedee2011> blackflow: so connecting to another Graphicscard and new monitor would make no difference?
[15:38] <Jedee2011> sorry enormous noob greenhorn and newbie
[15:40] <blackflow> Jedee2011: no because what you say you did is changing aspects of the UI that are not part of graphics card setup.
[15:40] <Jedee2011> ah got it !
[15:41] <Jedee2011> thanks for the link, i will try this when my new monitor has arrived
[15:41] <Jedee2011> have a great day and thanks !
[15:45] <john1987> hello guys
[15:46] <john1987> i am playing around with nandsim,ubi and squashfs
[15:46] <john1987> i have 2 ubi volumes: one with squashfs and one with ubifs
[15:46] <john1987> i do not know how to mount the ubi volume with squashfs
[15:47] <john1987> mount the ubi volume with ubifs works like a charm
[15:53] <deskwizard> uhm, not directly related, but maybe one of you know or can point me in the right direction... I' trying to send either a CR or NL with mosquitto_pub, from what I read I could if I escaped it with \\ (like \\r for example) but it's not cooperating
[16:16] <mystic> how much ram should i giv et ovirtua lbox to run windows 10?  i have a 8gb ram laptop
[16:16] <qswz> There must be people here with docker installed, I'm wondering why I can't find /etc/docker/daemon.json file as described here https://docs.docker.com/config/daemon/
[16:17] <kk4ewt> mystic, win10 wants at least 10
[16:17] <mystic> 10gb ram?
[16:17] <kk4ewt> opps 4G
[16:17] <mystic> lol
[16:17] <mystic> no it doesnt
[16:17] <qswz> if someone had docker installed, can he check if that file exists on his system?
[16:17] <mystic> ok
[16:17] <mystic> if i inly have 8gb total, will it stop ubuntu working peoperly if i give 4gb t ovirtual box?
[16:18] <john1987> for mounting squashfs that is written in ubi volume is used ubiblock to generate a block device... mounted this block device and all is ok
[16:19] <qswz> docker? someone?
[16:20] <qswz> lol 10GB ram for win10, where is the world going
[16:20] <qswz> oh 4 he meant
[16:20] <mystic> jason file lol
[16:20] <qswz> damon.jason
[16:20] <qswz> ok docker, does it talks to someone?
[16:21] <MagePsycho> ln -s /src/dir /dest/dir -> how to create symlink if it doesn't exist only
[16:21] <qswz> -f
[16:21] <qswz> man ls
[16:21] <MagePsycho> ln -sf ?
[16:21] <mystic> sudo science
[16:24] <tomreyn> qswz: the documentation you're following states you can create this file, not that is already exists.
[16:24] <Ubu-1604> bbl...
[16:24] <tomreyn> also, there is a docker channel her eon freenode
[16:25] <qswz> tomreyn: ohhh
[16:25] <qswz> thanks
[16:27] <mystic> cant start my windows 10 in virtual box
[16:27] <mystic> 'VT-x is disabled in the BIOS for all CPU modes (VERR_VMX_MSR_ALL_VMX_DISABLED).'
[16:27] <mystic> any idea?
[16:27] <qswz> you've a license?
[16:27] <mystic> yea
[16:28] <mystic> no chance to put anything in. .wont even boot
[16:28] <Fuchs> that sounds like your CPUs either not being able to VT-x or it, as it suggests, having been disabled
[16:28] <mystic> whats does that mean though? lol
[16:29] <Fuchs> it's an extension usually used by virtualization software
[16:29] <ppf> if the former then you're screwed, if the latter then you need to enable it
[16:29] <ppf> (it's a bios setting)
[16:29] <mystic> how to 'enable' ?
[16:30] <mystic> real bios or virtual bios?
[16:30] <ruggiero> follett
[16:30] <Fuchs> real bios
[16:30] <ppf> what's a virtual bios
[16:30] <mystic> i dont bloody know
[16:30] <mystic> i figured its runing in a virutal machine
[16:30] <mystic> may have virtual bios
[16:30] <Fuchs> it sort of does
[16:30] <Fuchs> but you want the real one
[16:30] <mystic> and wat do i want to enable there?
[16:30] <Fuchs> also  have a look at  /proc/cpuinfo
[16:30] <Fuchs> to see what your CPU can and can't do
[16:30] <ppf> well .. there's not much basic about it
[16:31] <mystic> i ran windows 7 in her ebefore
[16:31] <Fuchs> mystic: VT-x or similar, might be called somethingsomething virtualisation
[16:31] <mystic> so it can mange that ok
[16:31] <mystic> i have windows 7 in virtua lbox before
[16:31] <blackflow> mystic: 64-bit windows?
[16:31] <mystic> yea
[16:31] <blackflow> mystic: yeah that requires vt-x
[16:31] <Fuchs> you can probably disable it being wanted in VirtualBox settings, but you don't really want to do virtualisation without the host CPU supporting it properly
[16:31] <mystic> i dont really understand the advice
[16:32] <mystic> can i get it to work or not really ?
[16:32] <mystic> if not may have to go bac kto win 10
[16:32] <blackflow> my which CPU is that?
[16:32] <blackflow> mystic: ^^
[16:32] <mystic> i5
[16:32] <mystic> lenovo x230
[16:33] <mystic>  'really want to do virtualisation without the host CPU supporting it properly'  why not?
[16:33] <ppf> performance
[16:33] <blackflow> mystic: virtualizing 64-bit OS requires cpu virt support, vt-x
[16:33] <mystic> ok
[16:33] <ppf> in the case of win7 i think it'll just auto-downgrade to 32
[16:33] <blackflow> which your cpu probably has, so why is it disabled in BIOS?
[16:33] <mystic> well iv eno idea
[16:33] <ppf> and run in some kind of compat mode
[16:33] <mystic> or any idea how to enable it
[16:33] <blackflow> mystic: what's the exact CPU model?
[16:33] <ppf> try and enable it
[16:33] <mystic> i dont know sorry
[16:34] <ppf> check your bios' handbook
[16:34] <mystic> i dont have it
[16:34] <ppf> the internet does
[16:34] <deskwizard> probably disabled in the bios, since I have no issues with a 64bit os with VT-d
[16:34] <blackflow> mystic: what's "model name" in /proc/cpuinfo  ?
[16:34] <ppf> mystic: also paste /proc/cpuinfo please
[16:35] <mystic> yea.. al this tweaking and consant searching makes me think i should just put windows 10 back in and be done
[16:35] <mystic> bash: /proc/cpuinfo: Permission denied
[16:35] <deskwizard> I don't recall any machines I owned having it enabled by default, for the record.
[16:36] <blackflow> mystic: cat /proc/cpuinfo | nc termbin.com 9999    and paste here the URL you get
[16:36] <mystic> i got no url
[16:36] <sruli> in 16.04 i had a udev rule whenconnecting a usb device it attaches it to a vm (libvirt), in 18.04 something has changed in udev wont settle the device before the script finishes executing and the device can't be attached before its settled, i had to make a inotifywait and get udev to echo "" to a file after which inotifywait executes the script, i really do not want to rely on inotifywait, how can i resolve this catch 22 situation?
[16:37] <mystic> no message at all
[16:38] <blackflow> mystic: are you on Ubuntu right now?
[16:40] <mystic> yes
[16:41] <mystic> maybe i put the code in wrong
[16:41] <mystic> two lines or one?
[16:41] <mystic> if its two, please type two
[16:41] <mystic> i dont understan dthe format at all
[16:42] <ioria> mystic,   cat /proc/cpuinfo
[16:42] <sruli> mystic: just type this on one line "cat /proc/cpuinfo | nc termbin.com 9999"
[16:42] <mystic> lol
[16:43] <mystic> which is it
[16:43] <BluesKaj> copy and paste also works mystic
[16:43] <ioria> mystic,   you get output ?
[16:43] <mystic> yes but i get no mesag eat all when i paste it
[16:43] <mystic> no message
[16:43] <BluesKaj> hit enter
[16:43] <ioria> mystic,  copy and paste on paste.ubuntu.com
[16:43] <mystic> i get outpout if i enter
[16:43] <mystic> 'cat /proc/cpuinfo'
[16:44] <mystic> but not if i enter the long command
[16:44] <BluesKaj> no quotes
[16:44] <mystic> i didnt use quotes
[16:44] <mystic> the last part doesnt produce anything
[16:45] <mystic> 'even my granny can use linux'  i smell bs
[16:45] <ioria> mystic,  cat /proc/cpuinfo | nc termbin.com 9999     (you probably missed a '9')
[16:46] <ioria> mystic,  9999  = 4
[16:46] <mystic> i pasted exactly as you said
[16:46] <mystic> nothing
[16:46] <mystic> i get info if i paste 'cat /proc/cpuinfo' only
[16:46] <BluesKaj> intgo the terminal/console?
[16:46] <ioria> mystic,  install pastebinit and   cat /proc/cpuinfo | pastebinit
[16:46] <BluesKaj> into
[16:47] <mystic> terminal yea
[16:47] <blackflow> mystic: well nobody said "even my granny can figure out CPU models through the procfs in order to enable vt-x from bios so she could virtualize a 64-bit OS, namely, windows 10"
[16:48] <mystic> yea well, thats the slogan i hear too much.. indicating its as easy, or easier to operate than windows.. it just isnt period. not even close
[16:48] <sruli> mystic: whats the reason you want to use linux again?
[16:49] <mystic> might have to kick this into touch again, go back to windows.  try ubuntu 20, later perhaps
[16:49] <mystic> ive tried 12,14,16 18 i think lol
[16:49] <mystic> still cant get on with it enough
[16:49] <blackflow> mystic: you're comparing apples to oranges. if you want to comapre fairly, then compare this to figuring out CPU features on windows and pastebining that to a pastebin service in an easy fashion.
[16:50] <mystic> no, i just know that most casual users wouldnt have a chance on linux
[16:50] <mystic> sorry.. im not a fan boy either way, just telling how i see it
[16:50] <blackflow> mystic: ubuntu version has nothing to do with hw virtualization options being apparently disabled on your machine.
[16:50] <ppf> that's a bogus assumption
[16:50] <mystic> i wan tot use it., but i jus tcant put up with this stuff
[16:50] <mystic> no, its a true one
[16:50] <mystic> thats why linux is free, yet has a miniscule user base
[16:51] <blackflow> mystic: sure, it only powers 90% of the internets and a majority of mobile devices :)   miniscule user base, I'd say, indeed.
[16:51] <mystic> THATS apples and oranges blackflow
[16:51] <mystic> im tlaking about computer operating systems and you know i am
[16:51] <blackflow> I am too.
[16:51] <mystic> god the intellectual dishonesty.. really
[16:51] <sruli> i so miss the blue screen, viruses, malware, freezes, i cant wait to get back to it
[16:51] <mystic> ye awell
[16:51] <mystic> maybe next time
[16:52] <ioria> ok, chat time
[16:52] <pauljw> over...
[16:52] <coconut> :)
[16:53] <blackflow> mystic: you're not giving this a chance. first bump and you wanna quit and go back to windows. please don't blame that on Ubuntu.
[16:53] <mystic> i dont appreciate being insulted by people eitehr hinting that im stupid since i cant understand the damn code they present me with
[16:53] <mystic> as happened in that other room  with datyfbolloks
[16:53] <mystic> i didnt sign up for this deceitful fanboy crap
[16:54] <mystic> i dont have a horse in this race, just want something that works well
[16:54] <DeathTickle1> interesting support requests over here
[16:54] <mr_lou> How can I get Ubuntu to detect my burner again? :-(
[16:54] <mr_lou> . o O ( And why does this happen every time I need to burn a lot of discs? )
[16:54] <sruli> mystic: there will always be a learning curve when you try something new...
[16:55] <mystic> the windows learning curve compared to linux is a whole new level
[16:55] <mystic> not the same at all
[16:55] <ppf> then why not use it
[16:55] <mystic> people just cant admit it for some reason
[16:55] <mystic> i am
[16:55] <mystic> but once again wa swayed to try linux
[16:55] <Toadisattva> point click log into facebook, that's all most ppl need to know :P
[16:55] <mystic> and once again here we are
[16:55] <deskwizard> Toadisattva: lmao
[16:56] <blackflow> mystic: if you want to fix this specific issue, go back to BIOS and look for virtualization options, whether you need to enable something. meanwhile, what's the "model name" line when you cat the /proc/cpuinfo   "file"  ?
[16:56] <sruli> mystic: its not the same at all, no one ever claims it the same, linux is different, you want to learn how to use it good, else you prob
[16:56] <mystic> yea, cos it snot cool to just use a mouse?  we have to waste our live slearning terminal code right?  cos thats the good stuff?
[16:56] <mystic> jeez
[16:57] <blackflow> mystic: even Windows has powershell for stuff where GUI is lacking.
[16:57] <mystic> i never need to touch it in windows
[16:57] <mystic> bi gdiff
[16:57] <blackflow> mystic: alright, so you want to fix this or?
[16:57] <DeathTickle1> is this the comparison to windows channel now ?
[16:58] <mystic> yea death
[16:58] <Toadisattva> I'm convinced 90% of irc is linux vs windows debate
[16:58] <Toadisattva> every channel every day
[16:58] <mystic> spose i have to.. since i deleted my windows 10 installation completely
[16:58] <pauljw> brilliant
[16:58] <mystic> ther eis no debate.  linux is harder to use..  end.   it maybe better in some ways ,but it is not easy to use.  that sall
[16:58] <Toadisattva> fine work there :P
[16:58] <blackflow> mystic: if you still need support for this, please state what's teh "model name" from that cpuinfo output.
[16:59] <blackflow> otherwise please cut the noise, people, this is a support channel.
[16:59] <DeathTickle1> we welcome your opinion mystic we can move on now
[16:59] <mystic> facts arent opinions..
[16:59] <tomreyn> but this is a duiscussion, and doesn't belong into this channel
[17:00] <mystic> model name	: Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-3320M CPU @ 2.60GHz
[17:00] <ioria>  Intel® Virtualization Technology (VT-x) ‡ Yes
[17:01] <blackflow> mystic: great, so that has VT-x/VT-d support. now please check in BIOS whether it has to be enabled
[17:01] <mystic> sorry, no idea how to do that
[17:01] <blackflow> mystic: you don' tknow how to reboot and enter BIOS?
[17:02] <mystic> i can get into bois
[17:02] <mystic> but dont know how to find hat particular option among the others
[17:02] <sruli> mystic: put this into the terminal "egrep -c '(vmx|svm)' /proc/cpuinfo" output should be 0 or 1
[17:02] <mystic> output is 4
[17:02] <blackflow> mystic: by reading the option names until you see "virtualization" or "vt-x"...
[17:03] <mystic> i'll have to reboot to do that
[17:03] <blackflow> mystic: also, holy cow, first hit on google for "BIOS enable virtualization"  https://i.stack.imgur.com/H2zEE.gif    -- sure, your BIOS might differ but eh....
[17:04] <mystic> brb
[17:04] <blackflow> it's surely not gonna call it "Enable Lurgid Bee Shenanigans?  yes|no|maybe"
[17:04] <sruli> blackflow: "kvm-ok" should state if its enabled, no?
[17:05] <blackflow> sruli: where?
[17:05] <mystic> who knows.. they remane stuff it seems to me
[17:05] <mystic> brb
[17:05] <sruli> blackflow: put "kvm-ok" in terminal....KVM acceleration can be used
[17:06] <taaperotassu> I am using ubuntu 16.04 I thought about getting the newest tmux version 7, but seems like adding ppa:pi-rho/dev wasnt enough? Althought I installed tmux-next? Which seems to be not tmux version 7?
[17:06] <blackflow> sruli: I don't know that command. I see it's in cpu-checker package
[17:06] <sruli> ooops cpu-cheker needs to be installed for that
[17:07] <sruli> blackflow: if "egrep -c '(vmx|svm)' /proc/cpuinfo" returns =>1 that means its enabled
[17:07] <mystic> i enabled two options that hinted about virtualixation
[17:08] <blackflow> sruli: likely more than one if you have more than one core
[17:08] <sruli> blackflow: i just tried it on a vm with 8 cores, output was 0 - his output was 8
[17:08] <mystic> its booting up now
[17:08] <blackflow> mystic: right, so perhaps now try what you were doing with virtualbox
[17:09] <sruli> mystic: did you find the setting in the bios?
[17:09] <mystic> yea, two of them.  jus tenabled them both
[17:09] <blackflow> sruli: cpuinfo will return one such flags line per core, so it's like going to bemore than 1, if the flag is present
[17:09] <sruli> mystic: the were disabled?
[17:09] <mystic> yes
[17:09] <qwebirc60087> hi there ... i just install ubuntu 18.04 and i want to achieve that service dnsmasq will start after network initialisation
[17:09] <mystic> by default i think
[17:10] <sruli> blackflow: i guess i was wrong
[17:11] <tomreyn> taaperotassu: i assume you are aware that PPAs are not supported. this said, accdording to https://launchpad.net/~pi-rho/+archive/ubuntu/dev?field.series_filter=xenial this PPA does provide a "tmux-next" package with a 2.7 version.
[17:13] <sargonout> is there any reason why symlinks in rcx.d directories are all S01
[17:14] <blackflow> mystic: so, windows 10 working now in virtualbox?
[17:15] <mystic> it seems to be
[17:15] <mystic> its 'getting ready'
[17:15] <mystic> i gave it 4gb of my 8gb ram
[17:16] <ioria> hopefully it's a 64bit guest
[17:16] <mystic> i wouldnt use it, but i cant find a decent photoediting program in linux.   one that does 'hdr' pictur esplitting and editing
[17:16] <blackflow> mystic: tried gimp? if anything can do that, gimp should
[17:17] <mystic> i find it hard to use gimp.. cant even crop the picture without getting confused lol..  i find adobe hard to use also.   i was using cyberlink paintshop pro for my photo editing.  easy and good results
[17:18] <mystic> its has a really easy adn really effecting high dynamic range picture editor
[17:18] <mystic> effective*
[17:18] <_Dbug_> mystic, not sure about the versions of PaintShopPro released after Jasc, but PSP 8 and 9 work absolutely perfectly with Wine. Zero problem.
[17:20] <mystic> well, thats a possiblilty
[17:20] <mystic> if they had HDR editing back in the eariler versions
[17:21] <mystic> whats jasc ?
[17:22] <coconut> When is this channel going into support mode again?
[17:22] <sruli> mystic: for simple cropping etc you can try shotwell, nice photo manager with some simple editing tools
[17:22] <sruli> in 16.04 i had a udev rule whenconnecting a usb device it attaches it to a vm (libvirt), in 18.04 something has changed in udev wont settle the device before the script finishes executing and the device can't be attached before its settled, i had to make a inotifywait and get udev to echo "" to a file after which inotifywait executes the script, i really do not want to rely on inotifywait, how can i resolve this catch 22 situation?
[17:22] <_Dbug_> mystic, the companyt who made the original versions of PSP before they were bought by Corel, and apparently Cyberlink based on what you wrote.
[17:22] <mystic> oh.. maybe its corel, sorry
[17:23] <mystic> i get the mconfused co i like cyberlink powerdirector also..  both easy and effective programs, even for lightweights like nme
[17:24] <blackflow> sruli: maybe through a systemd .mount unit and a corresponding oneshot .service that does the attaching when the path/device appears?
[17:26] <sruli> blackflow: i tried this https://tinyurl.com/yc3ztyso but systemctl was complaing the device is not active
[17:29] <blackflow> sruli: complaining at which point?
[17:29] <Biessie> Happy 4th!
[17:29] <sruli> blackflow: when triggering it, journalctl -xe showed that
[17:30] <Anthaas> Hi - I have a USB dongle, but don't seem to be able to establish a connection with it.
[17:31] <blackflow> sruli: can you pastebin that?
[17:31] <mystic> how to get the correct screen size in virtual box?
[17:32] <sruli> blackflow: i have to be on-site for that (as i have to connect disconnect the usb)... what time are you around tomorrow?
[17:32] <mystic> its either small, or too big and i have to scrool down to see the bottom task bar
[17:32] <tomreyn> Anthaas: what kind of a dongle, which ubuntu version, which kernel version, have you searched the web about whether it is supported on linux, what does "dmesg | tail" day when you connect it?
[17:32] <blackflow> sruli: noon through afternoon UTC, but ping me first if I'm here
[17:32] <Tegu> mystic: try installing guest additions
[17:33] <mystic> i can use 'scaled mode'  seems to work
[17:33] <mystic> but how to tur nit off when im done?  lol
[17:33] <sruli> blackflow: thanks, so 13-16:00 utc you should be around?
[17:34] <blackflow> sruli: yup
[17:34] <Tegu> mystic: right ctrl (the host key) and something.. maybe it was S
[17:34] <sruli> blackflow: thanks
[17:34] <blackflow> yw
[17:34] <mystic> doesnt seem to work
[17:35] <Anthaas> tomreyn: Ubuntu 18.04, Kernel 4.15.0-24-generic, Result of `dmesg | tail`: https://dpaste.de/wMHi
[17:36] <mystic> right cntrl and C
[17:37] <mystic> now i will fire up wine and work out which is the best method of virtual editing
[17:38] <coconut> mystic: this channel is not a blog...
[17:38] <Anthaas> Trying something now...
[17:38] <mystic> get stuffed
[17:40] <tomreyn> Anthaas: the company producing this chipset does not provide good quality linux drivers for this device. so this was an unfortunate choice at the shop. there is this driver which is supposed to work with newer linux versions https://github.com/Mange/rtl8192eu-linux-driver
[17:44] <Rar9> ho can i fix under 18.04 this php 5.63. build error ? configure: error: Cannot find imap library (libc-client.a). Please check your c-client installation.
[17:45] <Biessie> im noob so idk but i do have a question. why dont you want php 7?
[17:45] <Biessie> Rar9
[17:46] <Rar9> i already got 7.27 on system but a domain needs 5.6x
[17:46] <Biessie> ahh okay
[17:46] <Rar9> https://support.plesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/213909265-How-to-enable-multiple-PHP-versions-in-Plesk-for-Linux-
[17:47] <Rar9> but I'm stuck on this library
[17:47] <Biessie> Rar9 : Think i found a solution? let me know.
[17:47] <Biessie> https://www.howtoforge.com/how-to-use-multiple-php-versions-php-fpm-and-fastcgi-with-ispconfig-3-ubuntu-12.04-lts-p3
[17:48] <Biessie> or not.. ill keep searching
[17:48] <blackflow> Rar9: I don't think Plesk is supported software here.
[17:48] <Biessie> if not*.. ill keep searching Rar9
[17:49] <Rar9> yes but its a ubuntu problem not plesks
[17:49] <blackflow> Rar9: PHP 5.6 under Bionic is not "Ubuntu problem", 5.6 is not supported on Bionic.
[17:50] <Anthaas> Ok, I have WiFi by installed some rtl8192eu driver, but it is incredibly slow.
[17:51] <eeos> ThinkPad X1 Yoga Carbon - Is it possible to phone from the laptop after inserting 4g SIM card? (ubuntu 18.04 64 bit)
[17:52] <tomreyn> Rar9: PPAs aren't supported either, but this is the most common way how people get multiple php versions installed next to one another on ubuntu https://launchpad.net/~ondrej/+archive/ubuntu/php
[17:52] <eeos> I can easily connect to the broadband mobile network, but every time I have to take the sim card out to put in my smartphone to phone
[17:54] <eeos> In other words: can I use my laptop as a mobile phone in ubuntu 18.04 64bit?
[17:55] <blackflow> eeos: can your smartphone be a wifi hotspot?
[17:55] <coconut> eeos: 4G wifi on an pc is called LTE, iirc.
[17:56] <eeos> coconut: Ok .... but can I phone from it?
[17:56] <cluelessperson> eeos: in theory, it should be able to
[17:57] <cluelessperson> eeos: in practice, phone companies are cunts
[17:57] <cluelessperson> and make it difficult.
[17:57] <eeos> cluelessperson: what do you mean?
[17:57] <cluelessperson> eeos: You're better off using the LTE thing, then a software phone service
[17:57] <eeos> cluelessperson: I do not know how use even 3g from ubuntu 18.04 ....
[17:57] <blackflow> eeos: can your smartphone be a wifi hotspot?
[17:58] <eeos> cluelessperson: LTE would be perfect .... the only issue I have is to be able to make phone calls .... I can already connect to mobile broadband ....
[17:58] <eeos> blackflow: why?
[17:58] <cluelessperson> eeos: It requires specialty hardware that can handle it.   My laptop has a port for a sim card, but I would have to spend $150 on the LTE card.   then you need the dataplan.  Then it just works like a network card.
[17:58] <eeos> blackflow: I have the sim card in the laptop, in the WWAN
[17:58] <blackflow> eeos: because then you can leave the sim card in the phone
[17:58] <blackflow> eeos: ah, I see.
[17:59] <eeos> blackflow: I have already everything working for the mobile broadband .....
[17:59] <cluelessperson> eeos: Long story short, phone companies are assholes and make it hard to do proper calls from computers.      It's easiest to setup the LTE DATA, then make software calls.
[17:59] <blackflow> well anyway, I'd got for that solution one way or another. use the phone regularly and export the mobile broadband through its wifi hotspot service
[17:59] <blackflow> in fact, thats what I do
[18:00] <eeos> cluelessperson: I am not sue what do you mean ....
[18:00] <cluelessperson>  eeos: which part?  be specific
[18:00] <cluelessperson> I have to spend time typing this shit out, I'm not going to play guessing games with you
[18:01] <muhaha> Does exists something like compat-openssl10 in ubuntu 18.04 ? Seems there is a problem with dotnet and libssl, which needs 1.0
[18:01] <eeos> cluelessperson: very simple: how do I make phone calls from the laptop over the SIM card.
[18:01] <eeos> cluelessperson: no data, this is already sorted. Just phone calls.
[18:03] <cluelessperson> eeos: I've explained it like three times now.   Phone companies are assholes and they purposely make it difficult to make calls from computers.
[18:03] <cluelessperson> eeos: The reliable solution is to use LTE DATA for software calling.
[18:03] <cluelessperson> eeos: You might try some random software and see how it works for you though, matter of googling
[18:04] <eeos> cluelessperson: apologies, but I do not care how difficult it is. How do I do it? I do not find any documentation.
[18:04] <mystic> skype is pretty good value eeos
[18:04] <cluelessperson> eeos: documentation for what?
[18:04] <cluelessperson> skype is malware
[18:04] <eeos> cluelessperson: I do not know what LTE DATA  .....
[18:04] <mystic> lol
[18:05] <mystic> how is skype malware
[18:05] <cluelessperson> eeos: LTE is the connection method, you get a laptop with a simcard reader/card.   Ubuntu will probably just see the network card and connect to internet.
[18:05] <cluelessperson> mystic: it's owned by microsoft for one.
[18:06] <mystic> they arent the devil incarnate u know.  they may have access t ostuff a bit, but they also make useful stuff.  why do u need 100% privacy all the tiem anyway. its not like theyd arrest your for chatting normally ?
[18:07] <cluelessperson> mystic:    1. Owned and run by Microsoft  2. It's adware.  3. It often comes installed on computers without permission, which makes it bloatware.  4. It introduces security attack vectors to your computer, which makes it dangerous
[18:07] <cluelessperson> Altogether == Malware
[18:07] <myghty> hi there
[18:07] <cluelessperson> stop apologizing for microsoft
[18:07] <cluelessperson> myghty: sup
[18:07] <myghty> just a question, maybe someone knows how to help
[18:07] <mystic> im not.  im just not a microsot hater either
[18:07] <eeos> cluelessperson: apologies, but this is not what happens. I have explained several times: the sim card works, and it is configured.
[18:07] <cluelessperson> mystic: that's because you're naive and institutionalized.
[18:07] <myghty> I am trying to kill a remote process via ssh, having its pid in a pid file
[18:07] <explodes> Found why my wifi stopped working: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/bcmwl/+bug/1757008
[18:07] <Richard_Cavell> Anyone have an opinion on kernel 4.15?  It won't boot on my machine. I have to use 4.13
[18:07] <explodes> This probably affects a lot of people
[18:08] <cluelessperson> Anyone in their right mind would hate someone for fucking them over as hard as microsoft does to our population now on a regular basis
[18:08] <mystic> unless i need total privacy if im a pedo or something. i guess skype isnt so bad for most people
[18:08] <myghty> ssh devopslab@gitlab.platinion.com 'bash -s' < "kill -9 `cat /home/devopslab/eureka/eureka.pid`" is my command, but it misinterprets cat /home etc. as a file...
[18:08] <myghty> do I have to excape the colons around it somehow?
[18:09] <cluelessperson> myghty: pkill ?
[18:09] <cluelessperson> myghty: that's a shitty defense
[18:09] <myghty> you mean mystic I guess cluelessperson  ;-)
[18:09] <cluelessperson> mystic: That's a shitty defense.: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-7o9xYp7eE
[18:09] <cluelessperson> Do NOT tlak to the police.
[18:10] <cluelessperson> They make mistakes, they seek to make connections, they care about having a good record of winning, more than your life and respecting your innocence.
[18:10] <cluelessperson> to trust police, higher authority, is literally stupid.
[18:10] <cluelessperson> Use them as a tool if required, but do NOT trust them
[18:11] <mystic> yea. my liberty is under threat cos i use skype lol
[18:11] <mystic> better batten down the hatches and install linux tails
[18:11] <cluelessperson> mystic: Your liberty is under threat when everyone you know uses skype/windows, and the government is able to back door it and produce/abuse ANY information they wish to use against you
[18:11] <cluelessperson> You are naive and again missing the point
[18:11] <myghty> cluelessperson: basically kill -9 plus the cat kills my process
[18:12] <mystic> the points is is not as bad as u say it is
[18:12] <myghty> but not if I call it via ssh from a remote pc
[18:12] <blackflow> toinfoil hattery please -> #ubuntu-offtopic   kthnxbai.
[18:12] <cluelessperson> mystic: No, it's way fucking worse
[18:12] <cluelessperson> and you're too stupid to see it
[18:12] <mystic> wat will they abuse me for?  chatting to my brother ?
[18:12] <blackflow> !language | cluelessperson
[18:12] <cluelessperson> mystic: Yes.
[18:12] <mystic> im not the one throwing insults either
[18:12] <blackflow> !ot
[18:12] <mystic> so i guess u are just a paranoid bitter basement dweller
[18:12] <cluelessperson> mystic: insults don't make me wrong, they're a mark of frustration
[18:13] <cluelessperson> mystic: No, I live in an apartment in Seattle and practice security in DEVOPs positions.
[18:13] <mystic> if linux was popular, your probably be cheering for windows.  the oppressed under dog is always right !
[18:13] <tomreyn> discussion still doesn't belong here, mystic + cluelessperson
[18:13] <tomreyn> please take it elsewhere
[18:13] <mystic> yea, well urs an insulting ass none the less
[18:13] <mystic> as many guys who use linux seem to be
[18:13] <Biessie> jeez
[18:13] <Biessie> that got hostile quick
[18:13] <myghty> please go away...
[18:13] <myghty> that is really not helpful at all
[18:14] <myghty> (for nobody) ;-)
[18:14] <cluelessperson> mystic: and you're the one who's been wrong every single sentence.  Let's see who wants to hire you or trust you.
[18:14] <Biessie> i agree with going to an off topic channel.
[18:14] <cluelessperson> agreed
[18:14] <Biessie> but i am curious as to where you guys take it so i can go
[18:14] <cluelessperson> Sorry for the offtopic.
[18:14] <cluelessperson> We got on it because skype is malware
[18:14] <mystic> you ar emalware
[18:14] <mystic> your attitude stinks
[18:15] <cluelessperson> Avoid using software that intentionally abuses you.
[18:15] <tomreyn> do we need to call the ops or can you move to offtopic?
[18:15] <Biessie> i only ue skype on my work computer due to work requiring us to use it for IT/AR/AP talk
[18:15] <Biessie> but other than that, im no fan
[18:15] <cluelessperson> mystic: who cares.  don't suggest malware to users to install on their computers.
[18:15] <mystic> how about people who intentionally abuse me ?
[18:15] <mystic> its my opnion. and u have yours
[18:15] <mystic> no point insulting me about it
[18:16] <cluelessperson> mystic: This isn't opinion.  the definition of malware isn't opinion.  stop apologizing for skype/microsoft.
[18:16] <cluelessperson> It's malware, period, fact, indefensible.
[18:16] <cluelessperson> by multiple definitions.
[18:16] <mystic> like how ure a rude asshat
[18:16] <tomreyn> !ops | mystic, cluelessperson
[18:16] <mystic> scared skype are gonna find ure kiddie stash
[18:17] <cluelessperson> mystic:  Stop suggesting malware to uses, and stop calling people pedophiles for calling you out.
[18:17] <mystic> stop being a cunt
[18:17] <cluelessperson> mystic: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-7o9xYp7eE
[18:17] <mystic> and stop posting tin foil hat links
[18:17] <cluelessperson> mystic: Watch a DA tell you you're wrong about trusting authority to not abuse power over you
[18:18] <blackflow> *******************************************************************************
[18:18] <blackflow> *  mystic, cluelessperson: please take it elsewhere, this is a support chan   *
[18:18] <blackflow> *******************************************************************************
[18:18] <cluelessperson> mystic: "tin foil hat link"   It's a former DA of New York, and the New York chief of police, agreeing that you shouldn't talk to cops, because your best interest is not at heart.
[18:19] <cluelessperson> I'm done, sorry for this BS
[18:19] <Biessie> cluelessperson : all good you have good intentions
[18:19] <Biessie> im not taking sides but i hate malware
[18:20] <mystic> yea?  he's a rude cunt too tho
[18:20] <mystic> guess that dont matter in here
[18:21] <phunyguy> mystic: regardless of what is happening in here, that language is not tolerated.  That goes for everyone in here.
[18:21] <Biessie> name calling doesnt help. anyways im going eat yall have fun
[18:21] <phunyguy> Please clean it up or leave
[18:21] <cluelessperson> mystic: How exactly am I supposed to tell you that you are wrong without being sorta an ass?
[18:21] <phunyguy> cluelessperson: seriously, enough.
[18:21] <mystic> by not being a total ass
[18:21] <mystic> its easy
[18:21] <mystic> ass
[18:21] <cluelessperson> mystic: pm me that
[18:21] <blackflow> bye guys.
[18:21] <Anthaas> Guys
[18:21] <Anthaas> shut up
[18:22] <cluelessperson> Who needs help with something? :P
[18:23] <DeathTickle1> I'm looking for a library that would be a straight play_mp3_file(filename) in C/C++ with dependencies on libavcodec and alsa
[18:25] <cluelessperson> DeathTickle1: a library? for what language?
[18:25] <cluelessperson> assuming C/C++, uncertain
[18:25] <DeathTickle1> C/C++ yes
[18:26] <cluelessperson> DeathTickle1: I'd suggest taking a look at the basic,  aplay and arecord commands and see what htey use?
[18:26] <cluelessperson> they're used with alsa/
[18:26] <DeathTickle1> aplay plays basic PCM sound data
[18:28] <DeathTickle1> I would like to use the decoding facilities of libavcodec with a simpler API
[18:28] <mystic> any reason my wine installation wont launch?
[18:28] <cluelessperson> mystic: errors?
[18:29] <cluelessperson> tail -f /var/log/syslog  and whatever other logs wine puts out
[18:29] <mystic> i dont want your help
[18:29] <cluelessperson> you might try starting it from terminal as well, perhaps with a --verbose option   (--help)
[18:30] <coconut_> Thank you for that!
[18:33] <mystic> why was a kicked when i was the one insulted?  wat a bunch of snobs you people are
[18:34] <mystic> if u wanna know how to treat newcomers, go to the puppylinux chat room
[18:34] <mystic> they are actually nice guys
[18:34] <phunyguy> mystic: you got kicked because you keep going.  Want to make it a ban?
[18:34] <blackflow> mystic: because you were the first to continue aggroing. and you're still doing it. just calm down and let's keep the support machinery rolling ;)
[18:34] <mystic> dont threaten mee asshat
[18:35] <coconut_> mystic: i do not want to feel you bad, but you chat, are offtopic and make questions by questions. This is a support channel, leave please!
[18:35] <phunyguy> they are gone.
[18:35] <phunyguy> back to work!  ☺
[18:46] <ste> hi i'm using qemu for pci passthrough and all is well. after I add spinlocks to the configuration, windows doesn't boot properly and the vm appears to hang. I'm trying to get the best performance out of the vm and apparently that's something that needs setting up - does anyone have any info on why I would need that setting and why changing literally only that setting causes boot issues?
[18:58] <grorco> Hey guys does anyone know of a way I can capture my full key input while editing text?
[18:59] <grorco> like when I'm done I want to have an edited file, and a file with any error's/ mistakes I've made along the way
[18:59] <ckyle22> Can anyone tell me why my NFS mount works fine with a mount command but won't automount when I edit my /etc/fstab file?
[19:00] <ckyle22> <NAS IP>:/volume1/Media /mnt/Media nfs rsize=8192,wsize=8192,timeo=14,_netdev 0 0 is what I have in there, but it doesn't automount
[19:00] <ckyle22> mount <NAS IP>:/volume1/Media /mnt/Media works though
[19:04] <_KaszpiR_> ckyle22 switch to autofs
[19:05] <ckyle22> _KaszpiR_, sorry I'm a bit of a noob when it comes to editing fstab, I was following a guide so how would I switch to autofs? Like what do I change?
[19:06] <_KaszpiR_> it's a package
[19:06] <_KaszpiR_> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Autofs
[19:06] <RandomGu2OnIrc> I just installed the newest ubuntu on another computer. A screensaver came up, and I can't get back to log into anything. How do I make the screen saver go away and unlock the machine?
[19:07] <ckyle22> _KaszpiR_ just installed it, do i have to change anything in fstab? like do I change nfs to autofs?
[19:08] <ckyle22> Oh I see what you mean, don't use fstab at all.
[19:09] <_KaszpiR_> ckyle22 you should move lines from fstab to autofs config
[19:09] <ckyle22> I will try that
[19:10] <_KaszpiR_> in the url I gave there is point 4 which explains how to use autofs with nfs mount
[19:11] <jhutchins> ckyle22: Try trimming back the options you're specifying.  Look at /var/log/syslog and dmesg, see what the system thinks is happening to that mount.
[19:14] <MagePsycho_> Hello
[19:14] <ckyle22> And I'm assuming I can check this with a df command when I'm done?
[19:15] <MagePsycho_> How to create parent directory if not exists and create symlink? for example: ln -s /src/directory /A/B/link -> where B folder doesn’t exist
[19:15] <louiemat> does anyone use kde connect?
[19:16] <Mr> hi all, is any available to answer a couple of technical questions?
[19:16] <BluesKaj> louiemat, yes, what's your issue?
[19:16] <_KaszpiR_> Mr just ask and wait
[19:16] <jhutchins> louiemat: No, kde is a desktop environment, it doesn't connect to things.
[19:17] <Mr> ok - i am having an issue with my vps where it doesn't load the kernel after a reboot... in grub ls / shows that vmlinuz exists but i can't find it
[19:17] <louiemat> ok that answered my questio, thanks
[19:18] <BluesKaj> jhutchins, kdeconnect is kde app that connects to android phones over LAN
[19:18] <BluesKaj> louiemat, read above
[19:19] <jhutchins> BluesKaj: I need to read more carefully.
[19:19] <Mr> when i type ls /vmlinuz i am unable to locate it
[19:20] <ckyle22> _KaszpiR_ autofs worked perfectly!
[19:20] <louiemat> does anyone like Abi word ?
[19:20] <louiemat> I find it great
[19:21] <ckyle22> I don't understand this bit: "But remember that you need to access a directory before it is auto-mounted.", does that mean I have to cd to that directory every time, or that anything that tries will "just work"
[19:22] <_KaszpiR_> ckyle22 it should work without any special steps
[19:22] <_KaszpiR_> if it is not mounted then it may take a while to show up - to initiate connection
[19:23] <ckyle22> That's fantastic.
[19:23] <_KaszpiR_> looks into autofs 'ghost' option
[19:23] <ArtMia> join #yoa
[19:24] <RandomGu2OnIrc> That was the most unintuitive screen ulock ever. I had to drag it up, to get the login prompt
[19:24] <RandomGu2OnIrc> I thought the machine was hung
[19:24] <RandomGu2OnIrc> I rebooted
[19:24] <RandomGu2OnIrc> then accidentally locked it again when trying to disable the lock screen
[19:29] <AssociateX> Holas todas aqui!!!
[19:30] <AssociateX> How do I remove my password for DM login but still have it for sudo?
[19:30] <p0a> Hello
[19:31] <p0a> I just installed `pinta' using apt-get but now I have a lot of root certs installed; 148 in particular
[19:31] <p0a> how can I undo the whole action removing the certs & pinta?
[19:33] <tsmasterX> p0a, apt --purge autoremove ? or
[19:34] <p0a> tsmasterX: so first remove pinta and then run that?
[19:34] <p0a> thanks! I didn't realize
[19:35] <tsmasterX> p0a, ok np :) this is just how i get rid of software
[19:35] <tsmasterX> with apt-get --purge autoremove packagename
[19:35] <p0a> tsmasterX: it says "0 removed"
[19:35] <p0a> so that the new ca certs were not removed
[19:36] <tsmasterX> p0a, idk then, lets someone else say how to do it
[19:37] <ioria> pinta installs ca-certificates-mono ,if it's that that bothers you, it will be removed with autoremove
[19:41] <p0a> ioria: /etc/mono with all the certs stayed
[19:41] <p0a> and it seems apt did not update the deleted certs, so they stayed
[19:42] <ioria> p0a, sudo apt purge pinta
[19:42] <p0a> ioria: that only removes pinta
[19:43] <ioria> p0a, did you run it ?
[19:43] <p0a> yes
[19:43] <ioria> p0a, sudo apt autoremove
[19:44] <p0a> ioria: updating certs in /etc/ssl/certs: 0 added, 0 removed;
[19:45] <p0a> ioria: I think I'll just manualy delete all certs in /etc/ssl/certs that were created today
[19:45] <ioria> p0a, dpkg -l | grep ca-certificates-mono
[19:45] <p0a> ioria: empty
[19:46] <ioria> p0a, autoremove is autoremove not autopurge
[19:46] <ioria> p0a, you need it to purge it manually
[19:47] <p0a> ioria: what do you mean?
[19:47] <ioria> p0a, ca-certificates-mono is not purged is just removed
[19:47] <tsmasterX> p0a, yeah
[19:48] <p0a> ioria: should I purge it? apt purge ca-certificates-mono ?
[19:48] <p0a> so I should reinstall and then purge?
[19:48] <ioria> p0a, nope
[19:48] <p0a> then what?
[19:48] <ioria> p0a, dpkg -l | grep ca-certificates-mono | pastebinbit
[19:48] <ioria> p0a, dpkg -l | grep ca-certificates-mono | pastebinit
[19:49] <p0a> it's empty
[19:49] <ioria> you should see 'rc'
[19:49] <p0a> it's empty?
[19:50] <ioria> p0a, weird
[19:51] <jsqkldhf> Hi
[19:51] <jsqkldhf> what's the most popular way to install a VM inside my current (distant) Ubuntu server?
[19:52] <jsqkldhf> to have a second "isolated" from host development machine
[19:52] <p0a> ioria: I deleted them manually
[19:57] <cuddylier> What is the latest Ubuntu 18.04 kernel? I'm on 4.15.0-23 atm
[19:57] <rud0lf> 4.15.0-24 here
[19:58] <cuddylier> Hmmm, I did 'apt-get update, apt-get upgrade and apt-get dist-upgrade' but it's not finding anything newer.
[20:00] <jsqkldhf> anyone?
[20:03] <ppf> !info linux-image-generic
[20:03] <ppf> cuddylier: you're up to date
[20:04] <cuddylier> Good :) Just seemed quite old date wise vs CentOS but I'm just not used to Ubuntu.
[20:04] <ppf> jsqkldhf: sounds like you actually want a contaienr
[20:05] <ikonia> cuddylier: cetos is on a much much older kernel
[20:05] <cuddylier> yea, I realise that
[20:05] <ikonia> so not sure how 4.15 seem "old"
[20:05] <cuddylier> Well, I mean since the last update I mean really
[20:06] <ikonia> what ?
[20:06] <cuddylier> Says it was released on 23rd May
[20:06] <ikonia> what has a package release date got to do with anything
[20:06] <Anticom> Hi. I've got dual boot xenial and win10. My Win10 is always wrong with its time, however i'm assuming the issue might actually be on the linux side: https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_10-other_settings-winpc/windows-10-time-always-wrong/75d9036d-9f43-4a06-9c34-ec9bdc8f4fd7 (last reply)
[20:06] <jsqkldhf> ppf: what would you recommend?
[20:06] <ppf> jsqkldhf: docker
[20:06] <ppf> because it's easy
[20:07] <Anticom> The answer states to set UTC=no in /etc/default/rc5, however on xenial there is no such option in there currently
[20:07] <Anticom> can i safely add it or is there a "ubuntu" way of achieving this?
[20:07]  * Anticom doesn't want to mess with rc scripts
[20:08] <jsqkldhf> ppf: what do you have in a docker for example?
[20:08] <ppf> Anticom: timedatectl set-local-rtc 1 --adjust-system-clock
[20:08] <ppf> jsqkldhf: build slaves
[20:08] <jsqkldhf> ppf: what does that mean?
[20:08] <ppf> like, various flavors of linux building llvm
[20:09] <ppf> or running a distccd
[20:10] <Anticom> ppf: cheers
[20:11] <Anticom> ppf: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/JzMY5c9XpQ/ what's the matter with the warning tho?
[20:12] <ppf> Anticom: i think it means what it says
[20:12] <Anticom> well i won't change time zones that often
[20:13] <ppf> DST though?
[20:13] <Anticom> so TL;DR; of that warning is that some other software relying on date/time might not expect the rtc to change radically when chaning time zones?
[20:13] <Anticom> like the issue is not the setting itself but software relying on a stable rtc?
[20:13] <ppf> yes
[20:14] <ppf> if rtc is UTC then it's slightly more monotonic
[20:14] <Anticom> okay
[20:15] <Anticom> well if nothing is crashing on my in the next couple of days i'll forget about this warning :>
[20:31] <J0ca_> hi guys
[20:31] <J0ca_> what can i do
[20:31] <J0ca_> to fix it
[20:31] <J0ca_> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/CvPG663ktQ/
[20:31] <J0ca_> :S
[20:32] <J0ca_> when i use #service sshd start
[20:32] <Sven_vB> what's the most light-weight way to run a 64bit X11 application on a 32bit ubuntu? is there some compatibility layer like wine?
[20:34] <Sven_vB> stackoverflow recommends qemu but the thread os old so maybe I'm in luck nowadays. :o
[20:34] <_KaszpiR_> Sven_vB you will not be able to run 64bit app on 32bi system
[20:35] <MoKKuJiN> hi
[20:35] <raidghost> _KaszpiR_: But the other way around 32 in 64bit works like a dream
[20:35] <_KaszpiR_> raidghost ;D
[20:35] <_KaszpiR_> maaaaaggiiiiic
[20:35] <Sven_vB> raidghost, well, using less bits than available sounds like the easier way. :D
[20:35] <oerheks> J0ca_, did you start ssh deamon  properly?  sudo systemctl enable ssh.service
[20:36] <_KaszpiR_> you could emulate 64bit sysem on 32bit system but that's pure overkill
[20:36] <Sven_vB> so there's no general solution lighter than a virtual machine?
[20:36] <oerheks> Sven_vB,  "to run a 64bit X11 application on a 32bit ubuntu?" .... LOLZ
[20:37] <_KaszpiR_> Sven_vB what is your hardware?
[20:37] <oerheks> nice troll,... next!
[20:37] <J0ca_> oerheks i will try, 1 sec
[20:37] <Sven_vB> Thinkpad T420. if there's no general solution I'll narrow down to running Waterfox. worst case would be to run the Windows build in wine.
[20:40] <t_> Hello Ubuntu and 1686 irc users
[20:41] <rud0lf> and 1 bot
[20:41] <rud0lf> :)
[20:41] <nx_> hi
[20:41] <nx_> hi
[20:41] <J0ca_> oerheks wow
[20:41] <J0ca_> it's working now
[20:42] <J0ca_> thanks :D
[20:42] <oerheks> J0ca_, have fun!
[20:42] <Sven_vB> _KaszpiR_, when you say "32bit system", are both the CPU bitwidth and kernel bitwidth hard limits, or could I somehow run 64bit code on a 64bit CPU even while a 32bit kernel is booted?
[20:42] <nx_> i am surprise too
[20:42] <nx_> hey
[20:42] <_KaszpiR_> Sven_vB  if you have Thinkpad t420 then you should have an intel cpu, which is 64bit
[20:43] <_KaszpiR_> just reinstall system
[20:43] <Sven_vB> _KaszpiR_, if reinstalling was an easy option I'd have done it already.
[20:43] <J0ca_> oerheks ow :( https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/HXWyHTxxhw/
[20:43] <nx_> just reinstall
[20:43] <J0ca_> dont work now
[20:43] <t_> week using 18.04 with Lenovo x201, no promlems 4 GB mem and 64bit.
[20:43] <_KaszpiR_> what disallows you to run 64bit system?
[20:44] <t_> under 2GB mem
[20:44] <nx_> i am from Ukraine
[20:44] <Sven_vB> _KaszpiR_, I can't convince steam to download the 32bit linux version of starbound.
[20:45] <Sven_vB> _KaszpiR_, and the 64bit version doesn't work on a 64bit Ubuntu
[20:45] <oerheks> J0ca_, not sshd, but ssh, that triggers the sshd(eamon)
[20:45] <Anthaas> I can't work out why my internet connection over wifi is so poor.
[20:45] <Anthaas> My phone gives me ~35mbps, the computer gives 0.81
[20:45] <Anthaas> Link quality is at 79%
[20:45] <oerheks> https://help.ubuntu.com/lts/serverguide/openssh-server.html.en
[20:45] <_KaszpiR_> Sven_vB  you know you can run 32bit apps under linux?
[20:45] <_KaszpiR_> and it should be pretty easy
[20:46] <_KaszpiR_> probably just run 32bit steam
[20:46] <Sven_vB> _KaszpiR_, yeah, I did that for normal apps, but steam was too stubborn.
[20:46] <_KaszpiR_> or there is an option for that to force 32bit installs
[20:46] <J0ca_> oerheks i know but have problem too
[20:46] <J0ca_> [....] Starting ssh (via systemctl): ssh.service
[20:46] <J0ca_> Job for ssh.service failed because the control process exited with error code. See "systemctl status ssh.service" and "journalctl -xe" for details.
[20:46] <J0ca_>  failed!
[20:46] <J0ca_> :S
[20:46] <_KaszpiR_> running 32bit system is pretty useless nowadays
[20:46] <strive> Anthaas: What is the computers' capable wifi standards?
[20:47] <Anthaas> strive: I dont know how to answer that.
[20:47] <_KaszpiR_> ok, I gotta go now, good luck and bye
[20:47] <Anthaas> I have a WiFi dongle that is 802.11n if that is what you meant?
[20:47] <J0ca_> oerheks when i use service ssh start or /etc/init.d/ssh start i have this problem
[20:47] <J0ca_> oerheks Job for ssh.service failed because the control process exited with error code. See "systemctl status ssh.service" and "journalctl -xe" for details.
[20:49] <J0ca_> oerheks https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/HGTYYhN4wt/
[20:49] <J0ca_> when i use journalctl -xe
[20:52] <ppf> J0ca_: maybe also paste the first half :p
[20:52] <ppf> J0ca_: what's the status say
[20:53] <oerheks> J0ca_, maybe you have 2network adapters, and it is bound to the wrong one?
[20:54] <ste_> hi i'm using qemu for pci passthrough and all is well. after I add spinlocks to the configuration, windows doesn't boot properly and the vm appears to hang. I'm trying to get the best performance out of the vm and apparently that's something that needs setting up - does anyone have any info on why I would need that setting and why changing literally only that setting causes boot issues?
[20:55] <t_> my laptop Lenovo x201 https://browser.geekbench.com/v4/cpu/8895012
[20:55] <Jonta> !enter | t_
[20:56] <t_> ok
[20:59] <t_> Client: HexChat 2.14.1 • OS: Ubuntu "bionic" 18.04 • CPU: Intel(R) Core(TM) i5 CPU       M 520  @ 2.40GHz (1,20GHz) • Memory: Physical: 3,6 GiB Total (2,2 GiB Free) Swap: 2,0 GiB Total (2,0 GiB Free) • Storage: 133,4 Gt / 969,7 Gt (836,2 Gt Free) • VGA: Intel Corporation Core Processor Integrated Graphics Controller @ Intel Corporation 1st Generation Core i3/5/7 Processor Reserved • Uptime: 1h 50m 19s
[21:00] <El_Presidente> hi, I am running 16.04.4 Server and I have an odd problem with apache2. I tried to enable only TLSv1.2 with "SSLProtocol  all -SSLv2 -SSLv3 -TLSv1 -TLSv1.1
[21:00] <El_Presidente> " but ssllabs shows TLSv1 and TLSv1.2. I ran a grep of the entire etc dir to look for some double configuration but I have not found anything ... any suggestions?
[21:04] <Jonta> t_: Dunno what you're trying to accomplish
[21:12] <t_> why unity desktop and Wayland ended as default desktop at Ubuntu. Gnome and X-server is future?
[21:13] <gigirock> t_: yes seems so
[21:14] <gigirock> t_: to develop and maintain unity and wayland u need money and the Canonical idea is not to spend in desktop
[21:15] <t_> ok
[21:17] <oerheks> bionix 18.04:  wayland is available and installed, not standard. unity is available, not standard
[21:17] <oerheks> so you should be on Xorg
[21:21] <tomreyn> El_Presidente: remove "-SSLv2", it's not supported anyways. other than that, it looks correct to me. you will also need to restrict ciphersuites. make sure you configured it in thecorrect scope, e.g. per virtual server (and optionally additionally globally). be aware that ssllabs' scanner caches results (but you can override this).
[21:23] <ste_> how can i tell ubuntu to use a specific graphics card if i rebind drivers and start gdm?
[21:23] <tomreyn> El_Presidente: https://mozilla.github.io/server-side-tls/ssl-config-generator/?server=apache-2.4.28&openssl=1.0.2g&hsts=yes&profile=modern
[21:24] <gigirock> u can't ste_
[21:25] <ste_> so if i have 2 cards plugged in, how do make one or the other "do the work"
[21:26] <ste_> or how does ubuntu determine which one to use
[21:26] <gigirock> ste_: which cards ?
[21:26] <ste_> as the primary
[21:26] <ste_> I have an amd r7 360 in pci express slot 1, and a 1070 gtx in slot 2
[21:26] <tomreyn> depends on the hardware you have there and the drivers you use
[21:26] <El_Presidente> tomreyn, it was the default vhost
[21:26] <ste_> im passing the 1070 through in a VM for windows
[21:27] <ste_> if i stop gdm and rebind the drivers how can I make the 1070 all of a sudden be the primary
[21:27] <tomreyn> El_Presidente: usually the mozilla generators' configurations just work, give it a try.
[21:27] <gigirock> ste_: use an yellow helmet and plastic glasses , the sudo reboot
[21:27] <gigirock> ste_: use an yellow helmet and plastic glasses , then* sudo reboot
[21:27] <ste_> but if the 1070 is in slot 2 then how does it know to use that one
[21:28] <gigirock> ste_: i think yours is an exotic configuration and developers never tested
[21:29] <gigirock> ste_: try inxi -G now and look for the response
[21:30] <gigirock> i think the default gpu will be choosen
[21:31] <tomreyn> ste_: i'm not actually sure whether you can change the order in which graphics cards will be used from the OS. maybe in bios, you can. if you just want to disable one of them, there should be two options to achieve this: blacklisting the driver of the unwanted hardware, making linux ignore thie PCIx slot.
[21:31] <ste_> Graphics:  Card-1: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD/ATI] Tobago PRO [Radeon R7 360 / R9 360 OEM]
[21:31] <ste_>            Card-2: NVIDIA GP104 [GeForce GTX 1070]
[21:31] <ste_>            Display Server: x11 (X.Org 1.19.6 ) drivers: radeon,vfio-pci Resolution: 2560x1440@59.95hz
[21:31] <ste_>            OpenGL: renderer: AMD BONAIRE (DRM 2.50.0 / 4.15.0-24-generic, LLVM 6.0.0)
[21:31] <ste_>            version: 4.5 Mesa 18.0.0-rc5
[21:31] <tomreyn> !paste | ste_
[21:32] <gigirock> so seems amd is the main. ste_ is amd card on mb ?
[21:32] <ste_> yeah, it's in slot 1
[21:33] <ste_> the 1070 is currently bound to vfio-pci which is the one im passing through
[21:33] <gigirock> ste_: i mean is a 'separate' card ?
[21:33] <ste_> yep
[21:33] <en50> Xorg has a delay loading because mcookie/getrandom() isn't returning a random number due to low entropy. This just started happening with the latest kernel release.
[21:34] <en50> I installed "haveged" and it seems to have solved the problem, but it's way beyond my knowledge as to why there isn't enough entropy any longer on boot.
[21:36] <en50> The first couple of times I run 'startx' (or try to start LightDM/GDM), it doesn't work, and it seems it's because the entropy is too low and getrandom() blocks
[21:37] <tomreyn> en50: is this bare metal or a VM? also, you seem to be saying that there was enough entropy in the same (or a similar?) configuration in the past - what change dbetween then and now?
[21:38] <tomreyn> ok you're saying a kernel security patch intorduced the change, if i'm getting you right? which version was it before, which version is it now?
[21:38] <en50> tomreyn, bare metal on a ThinkPad. It seems to work on the last kernel (4.15.0-23), so I'm assuming it has something to do with 4.15.0-24.
[21:40] <tomreyn> hmm, that's probably worth a bug report then (using 'ubuntu-bug') if there isn't one already.
[21:41] <tomreyn> what you're discussing would be a 'regression', introduced yb a kernel patch. it would be good to rule out other possible causes, though, if you can.
[21:42] <en50> tomreyn, I'm going to search to see if I can find a changelog between the two releases to see if I can figure it out on my own before submitting a bug report, but I'll definitely do that if I can't do it on my own.
[21:43] <tomreyn> en50: is this 18.04 or 16.04 with HWE kernel?
[21:43] <en50> https://askubuntu.com/questions/1051555/after-security-update-to-4-15-0-24-generic-26-ubuntu-screen-shows-log-content <-- It seems this person is having the same problem.
[21:44] <en50> tomreyn, 18.04, and I'm not sure about HWE
[21:44] <tomreyn> if it's 18.04 then it's the GA kernel since there is no HWE for 18.04, yet
[21:44] <blackswan> can somebody tell me where in the graphical adminitrative-type tools one can turn multicast dns stuff on and off?
[21:45] <blackswan> or give a hint
[21:45] <blackswan> administrative*
[21:46] <gigirock> blackswan: what is the trouble with the multicast dns ?
[21:46] <squealingcode> I'm not sure if there's a GUI way, but does this help? blackswan
[21:46] <squealingcode> https://askubuntu.com/questions/378572/how-to-turn-off-the-multicast-dns-and-multicast-upnp-services-in-ubuntu
[21:47] <blackswan> the trouble is i don't know how to turn it on :-)
[21:47] <en50> tomreyn, I just did a search and there's a lot of people with the problem. There's already a bug report here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gdm3/+bug/1779476
[21:47] <blackswan> i can muck with the configuration files, sure, but i want to know what pointy-clicky tool there is to manage this stuff
[21:47] <algid> anyone have any idea how to get terminator to open on my secondary display?
[21:48] <gigirock> algid: something like terminator screen:!
[21:48] <gigirock> algid: something like terminator screen:1
[21:48] <tomreyn> en50: no reference to a lack of entropy there.
[21:48] <Anthaas> Is there a clear tutorial on how to permanently mount a second HDD?
[21:49] <tomreyn> en50:what made oyu think it was a lack of entropy?
[21:49] <squealingcode> Anthaas, absolutely. Just a sec
[21:49] <Ben64> !fstab | Anthaas
[21:49] <squealingcode> Anthaas, ubottu got there before me:)
[21:49] <gigirock> !uefi
[21:49] <squealingcode> Or rather, Ben64 got there before me :D
[21:49] <gigirock> sorry
[21:50] <tomreyn> en50: you said "Xorg has a delay loading because mcookie/getrandom() isn't returning a random number due to low entropy." - is this actually what was rptined on scrren or these (at least partially?) conclusions you have made?
[21:50] <en50> tomreyn, lightdm and gdm both had a strange delay that seemed to resolve itself after changing VT and typing some text--it would just popup at random if I was actively typing something.
[21:51] <en50> tomreyn, I set the boot default to multi-user instead of graphical, and then tried a simple 'startx' which had the exact same delay
[21:51] <Ben64> i don't see how that makes it related to entropy
[21:51] <en50> tomreyn, 'startx' would hang for an indefinite amount of time without any errors. I looked through the 'startx' script and found it was hanging at the call to xauth/mcookie
[21:52] <en50> So instead of doing 'startx' the next boot, I just ran mcookie, and lo and behold, it hung just like xorg, returning a random number only after typing a little or changing virtual terminals.
[21:52] <algid> anyone have any idea how to get terminator to open on my secondary display?
[21:52] <en50> I ran an strace on mcookie, and found it was stuck on the getrandom() kernel call
[21:52] <blackflow> en50: install haveged if you have entropy issues
[21:53] <blackflow> !haveged
[21:53] <blackflow> !info haveged
[21:53] <tomreyn> blackflow: they already did
[21:53] <en50> blackflow, yes, haveged solved the issue
[21:53] <blackflow> oh, k. don't see it mentioned in the backscroll. nvm.
[21:54] <en50> What I really don't understand is why the system is low on entropy with the latest kernel update.
[21:54] <tomreyn> en50: okay, i'm not entirely convinced that it's related to entropy, yet, but it would be good to point this out.
[21:54] <Ben64> i'm updating my laptop now to see if i get a different result
[21:54] <tomreyn> right
[21:54] <en50> tomreyn, what else would cause mcookie/getrandom() to hang?
[21:55] <tomreyn> en50: i don't know, it's just surprising to me that a kernel security patch would reduce entropy
[21:55] <en50> tomreyn, well, I didn't really know anything about entropy before trying to figure this out, so I'm a little puzzled too.
[21:56] <en50> tomreyn, I'm not 100% certain it was the kernel update that did it, but it does work on the previous kernel
[21:59] <Ben64> my laptop pulled in 4.15.0-25
[22:00] <en50> Ben64, apt says everything's up to date at 4.15.0-24
[22:01] <tomreyn> en50: this would be the kernel patch we'Re talking about: https://usn.ubuntu.com/3695-1/
[22:02] <Ben64> oh, -25 is in proposed
[22:02] <tomreyn> Ben64: can you check its changelog? packages.ubuntu.com still thinks -23 is the latest
[22:03] <Ben64> well, -24 gets me into gui within 20 seconds from boot
[22:03] <Ben64> so i'm not even seeing your issue
[22:04] <tomreyn> on bug #1779476 which en50 pointed to, lspci was requested, returning https://launchpadlibrarian.net/377005312/lspci.txt
[22:04] <tomreyn> quite the amd system
[22:05] <tomreyn> en50: what's your hardware?
[22:06] <en50> tomreyn, Lenovo ThinkPad Yoga
[22:06] <en50> Intel core i7
[22:06] <Ben64> still within 20 secs from boot to gui on -25
[22:06] <tomreyn> hmm very different then
[22:06] <tomreyn> ...the hardware
[22:08] <tomreyn> en50: i don't know... report a new bug, and point out how you worked areound it and that it *may* be similar to 1779476
[22:10] <raidghost> to make a /home/ on ssd at installation. And after installation make /mnt/raid/home/ copy /home/ to /mnt/raid/home/ and make a symlink so /home/ links to /mnt/raid/home
[22:10] <raidghost> Is that Tricky and not recommanded?
[22:15] <tomreyn> raidghost: why dont you install the way you want to have it in the end?
[22:16] <tomreyn> raidghost: also, why not mount whatever you mount to /mnt/raid/home to /home instead ?
[22:17] <raidghost> tomreyn: the 240GB drive is not big enought to set some /home
[22:17] <raidghost> So i thought of using space from my raid as /home space
[22:18] <raidghost> aah. mount raid as /home ? :P
[22:19] <t_> bye, Good night Ybuntu
[22:19] <tomreyn> raidghost: this may be an option. i don't know what the drives you have there, are.
[22:20] <en50> tomreyn, thank you; I just posted what I've found in the comments section on that bug report, so at least others might be able to benefit in the meantime while I continue trying to figure out the code that caused the problem.
[22:27] <bapa> Gosh, 18.04.1 can't come soon enough. These freeeezes. If only I was not dumb enough to write a tool to get a core dump of gnome-shell when my thingy freezes for like 2 mins. ;_;
[22:28] <bpye> Hey, so I have a weird issue
[22:29] <bpye> On boot my network doesn't come up, this delays boot because it waits to time out and also means no network which sucks, however, if I run dhclient eno1 once booted, it gets it's IP immediately
[22:29] <bpye> I'm really confused, I've basically taken this machine and put it on a different network, but I don't know why that's killed DHCP
[22:29] <bpye> This is running 16.04 server
[22:53] <hfp> Hey, I am converting my storage to zfs so I have done all that with a livecd and now I have a mirror vdev ready to go. But how do I tell my ubuntu to mount this zfs pool now? It's not with fstab so where? I want to mount the datasets where my drives were originally so that the applications on the server can't tell the difference once it reboots with the zfs pool
[23:05] <blackflow> hfp: you run zpool import and all datasets on it with canmount=auto property will mount to their respective points
[23:05] <blackflow> hfp: in addition, /etc/zfs/zpool.cache will remember the import for next boot, and automount it
[23:07] <maman> exit
[23:07] <maman> quit
[23:07] <maman> q
[23:07] <blackflow> maman: /quit
[23:18] <hfp> blackflow: cool, can I do this in a chroot from the livecd?
[23:38] <AnswerGuy> Just setting up my first preseed/PXE installation for 18.04 (bionic) ... noticed that change from ipupdown to netplan; wonder how we're supposed to indicate configuration of eth1 in our preseed files
[23:38] <blackflow> hfp: yup
[23:39] <AnswerGuy> Alternatively, how do I force systemd-networkd to re-reach the tree of .yaml settings from /etc/netplan?
[23:45] <donofrio> does this mean bad things? "ERROR: ld.so: object '/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libGL.so' from LD_PRELOAD cannot be preloaded (cannot open shared object file): ignored."
[23:47] <AnswerGuy> BTW: I configure these to use the old eth0 eth1 names and I'm curious what I need to do to get d-i to create a configuratio like: /lib/systemd/network/99-default.link for eth1 as well as eth0
[23:49] <AnswerGuy> donofrio: it sounds like you have some program trying to LD_PRELOAD a shared library that you don't (no longer?) have on your system.