[01:22] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: I have an addition to -controls that will turn up and unmute speakers when the phones are unplugged. However from what you have said... I am not sure it would help you. It doesn't work on my son's computer either (laptop) which shows not headphone or speakers levels in the mixer.
[01:22] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: :/
[01:23] <OvenWerks> There is a utility called hda_analizer.py That shows a bunch of pin stuff
[01:23] <Eickmeyer> If I may throw some good news your way, I managed to package Cadence, and Catia can be installed separately, so it looks like we have a viable replacement for Patchage.
[01:24] <OvenWerks>  I am told it should hold some keys
[01:24] <OvenWerks> That does sound good.
[01:24] <OvenWerks> Now to add it to the repo...
[01:25] <Eickmeyer> I just need to clean it up to make lintian happy. Also, I packaged the latest version of the Calf plugins that fixes a bug that causes Ardour to crash.
[01:25] <Eickmeyer> Might require less cleanup since I used leftovers from the package in the repo.
[01:26] <OvenWerks> There have been more comments about https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuStudio/AudioHandbook/UsingVSTPlugins 
[01:26] <Eickmeyer> I was trying to get Carla's wine bridges to work, but alas, there's a ton of work that would go into it.
[01:26] <OvenWerks> ""Next, download a VST. Here is a remarkable and very popular free  synth from British vendor U-He"
[01:26] <OvenWerks> 16:08 < rgareus> uhm, except U-he is not British and there are native Linux versions  of the plugins
[01:27] <Eickmeyer> Yeah, native VST versions. VST != Windows only.
[01:28] <OvenWerks> There are still, somehow, people using ubuntu who think the latest Ardour is 2.*
[01:29] <Eickmeyer> smh
[01:30] <OvenWerks> The screen shots for Ardour in the handbook are way out of date too. I don't remember the mix strip ever looking like that :)
[01:32] <Eickmeyer> I just s/British/German
[01:34] <Eickmeyer> I"m looking at the mix strip now, and it looks very similar, just different colors. He left the fader out.
[01:34] <Eickmeyer> I could probably sub it out.
[01:35] <OvenWerks> The buttons are differently placed too. Probably not a really big deal
[01:35] <Eickmeyer> It translates well, tbh.
[01:36] <OvenWerks> The write up on VST plugins should be changed somewhat I think.
[01:37] <OvenWerks> It shouldl at least not say that vst plugins are not available for linux because that is just wrong
[01:37] <OvenWerks> As of vst3 linux is even officially supported.
[01:37] <Eickmeyer> Yeah. I'll make the changes.
[01:37] <OvenWerks> (by Steinberg)
[01:38] <Eickmeyer> VST isn't proprietary anymore, is it?
[01:38] <OvenWerks> Yes it is, but there is a GPL api version.
[01:39] <OvenWerks> vst2 is officially not there any more. Steinberg is actively going after people who create new plugins for it.
[01:42] <OvenWerks> your problem with Carla and wine may be 32bit vs 64bit.
[01:42] <OvenWerks> wine that is
[01:43] <OvenWerks> a lot of win vst are 32bit.
[01:43] <OvenWerks>  You will want to make any wine lib you pull in match whatever LMMS pulls in.
[01:44] <Eickmeyer> That's part of the problem. The other part is that I couldn't get the bridge to compile properly because of an error in WINE.
[01:46] <Eickmeyer> I just made changes to the VST plugins section that remove references to wine or 32-bit. That section could, honetly, eventually be removed. I might rewrite it to include effects plugins as well.
[01:50] <OvenWerks> The only windows program I have ever used in linux is hulls.exe
[01:51] <OvenWerks> It is the only one that has run well for me.
[01:52] <OvenWerks> For anything else there has been something in Linux that worked for me
[01:52] <Eickmeyer> Yeah, that's why I haven't done much with Waves plugins like my co-worker, because LV2 plugins work well for me.
[01:54] <Eickmeyer> Honestly, if it's possible to get LinVST packaged, that might be the way to go for people who want to use Windows VST plugins.
[01:54] <Eickmeyer> But, I'm not going to waste my energy on it yet.
[01:56] <Eickmeyer> I'm just happy to get Calf 0.90.0 and Cadence packaged. I think I'll be done for the evening.
[02:13] <OvenWerks> does our version of Ardour include the a-* plugins?
[02:15] <OvenWerks> a-fluidsynth has replaced my last use for calf.
[02:18] <krytarik> https://packages.ubuntu.com/cosmic/amd64/ardour/filelist - appears to be so.
[02:19] <OvenWerks> Ya, the show up when I open Ardour, just wanted to make sure that wasn't because I also build Ardour src
[02:19] <krytarik> I see.
[02:21] <OvenWerks> My Harrison plugins don't show though... maybe I haven't imported them from my 16.04 yet
[02:22] <OvenWerks> my keys are there...
[02:38] <OvenWerks> we don't seem to set LV2PATH
[21:19] <OvenWerks> hu, "All runlevel operations denied by policy
[21:19] <OvenWerks> invoke-rc.d: policy-rc.d denied execution of reload.
[21:25] <OvenWerks> then listed are a number of cups packages... I am guessing cups updating is half done.