[05:47] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[05:49] <oerheks> hi lotus
[05:51] <lotuspsychje> hey oerheks
[05:51] <lotuspsychje> ready for another day of heat?
[06:07] <lordievader> Good morning
[06:08] <lotuspsychje> hey lordievader morning mate
[06:08] <lordievader> How are you doing lotuspsychje ?
[06:08] <lotuspsychje> we escaped the heat yesterday with a tropical pool swim
[06:09] <lotuspsychje> today visisting sluis for the day
[06:12] <lotuspsychje> bbl breakfast
[06:24] <ducasse> good morning
[06:25] <lordievader> 👋
[06:28] <ducasse> hi lordievader - how's your morning so far?
[06:28] <lordievader> Quite allright. How is your morning treating you?
[06:30] <ducasse> all good here. a bit cloudy, so might be a little cooler today.
[06:34] <lordievader> It always starts here cool... and then it heats up -.-
[09:37] <EriC^^> morning all
[09:42] <lordievader> 👋
[10:04] <blackflow> eeewwwmoji
[11:17] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[11:46] <pauljw> hi everyone
[11:47] <blackflow> o/
[11:55] <pauljw> hi blackflow, BluesKaj
[11:55] <BluesKaj> Hi pauljw , blackflow
[11:59] <BluesKaj> damn canada revenue agency put an IP cookie on my browser so couldn't relogin  after they mucked up their security question software...the agent I spoke to even admitted that their software is clunky, but thank goodness for vpn service  :-)
[12:01] <pauljw> leave it to govt to screw things up...
[12:02] <BluesKaj> still having a few tax issues over my wife's passing, but it's mostly settled now.
[12:03] <BluesKaj> still hot pauljw?
[12:04] <pauljw> oh, didn't know about the wife, sorry.  hope you get everything taken care of.  yeah, already 84 in the house.  it's 8am, guess it's time to call the landlord.
[12:05] <BluesKaj> supposedly gonna drop to 29C/84F from 34C/93F yesterday...some relief anyway
[12:06] <pauljw> good, our relief is due here tonight i guess.
[12:06] <BluesKaj> same here
[12:07] <pauljw> i'll never get the lawn caught up, danged if i'm going out in that heat without a/c to come into.
[12:09] <BluesKaj> yeah, gotta do the front and back tomorrow morning early,  right after the dew dries up and while the temp is still relatively cool
[12:11] <BluesKaj> I know I'll end up feeling like a wet rag no matter what the temp is tho :-)
[12:41] <pauljw> well, the a/c is back.  capacitor was blown.
[12:43] <BluesKaj> wow, that was quick
[12:44] <pauljw> yeah, the guy said he 5 mins from the interstate on his way into Louisville, so he detoured here first and it took about 10 mins for him to diagnose and replace the part.
[12:44] <BluesKaj> good service :-)
[12:45] <pauljw> yep
[13:01]  * BluesKaj heads for the kitchen to boil a couple eggs
[13:06] <daftykins> \o/
[13:07] <BluesKaj> hey daftykins
[13:07] <daftykins> BluesKaj: sorry for your loss as well, hope it wasn't a surprise thing
[13:08] <daftykins> a good morn to you \o
[13:08] <daftykins> ah finally got some food in myself, so silenced the internal complaints xD
[13:11] <BluesKaj> daftykins, oh it was a surprise and a shock My wife seemed to be in excellent health , but she died from an aortic aneurysm that was almost undetectable
[13:11] <daftykins> that's terrible!
[13:11] <BluesKaj> back on Feb 6
[13:12] <daftykins> family been by to help, if they're not all moved far away?
[13:14] <BluesKaj> yes, my daughter drives up from Toronto about once/month and my other kids keep track and monitor my well being by phone ...they've been great. My friends have been very supportive as well.
[13:16] <daftykins> glad to hear!
[13:23] <pauljw> :)
[13:35] <hggdh> good morning folks
[13:36] <BluesKaj> 'Morning hggdh
[13:42] <BluesKaj> never heard of a wifi chip supporting more than one wifi interface/connection at a time
[13:43] <BluesKaj> if there is such a thing, it's news to me
[13:49] <BluesKaj> atheros is supposed to have AP and mesh capability simultaneously ...news to me
[13:55] <BluesKaj> bbl
[14:35] <lotuspsychje> good (hot) afternoon to all
[15:53] <lotuspsychje> !info zfs xenial
[15:55] <pragmaticenigma> !info fuze-zfs
[15:56] <pragmaticenigma> !info fuse-zfs
[15:56] <pragmaticenigma> !info zfsutils-linux
[17:41] <Bashing-om> !bcm | daftykins
[17:42] <daftykins> i know it well :) you just can't get drivers going with a live session, has to be an install so you can reboot and have changes kept :D
[17:46] <Bashing-om> daftykins: Was but a reminder :)  WIFI is no fun .
[17:55] <BluesKaj> yeah default bcmwl driver doesn't work properly with my 4313 chip. I had to search google mostly to find a rare one that doesn't ask for my pw everytime I boot or relogin '
[17:56] <BluesKaj> guess it doesn't store the pw properly in it's config
[18:04] <daftykins> weird, would've thought that was the very highest layer
[18:22] <lotuspsychje> leftyfb: trolls playing again :p
[18:22] <leftyfb> 1 of them more than likely is. The other is just impatient and not paying attention
[18:25] <lotuspsychje> and hey BluesKaj & Bashing-om
 must think they're really l33t... having the system username hacker
[18:28] <lotuspsychje> lol
[18:34] <Bashing-om> lotuspsychje: This time of the morning ? .. What's the haps ?
[18:35] <lotuspsychje> slowly & steady
[18:43] <Bashing-om> lotuspsychje: Uh Huh, ^ that the way a race is won :)
[19:02] <lotuspsychje> updating oerheks
[19:02] <lotuspsychje> tnx for the hint
[19:02] <oerheks> :-)
[19:02] <lotuspsychje> !info firefox
[19:02] <oerheks> and run dist-upgrade... lots more
[19:02] <oerheks> brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrb
[19:03] <lotuspsychje> hey Jonta hfp
[19:03] <hfp> hey
[19:03] <Jonta> Hi
[19:03] <lotuspsychje> here we gather the most active volunteers
[19:03] <Jonta> Oh my
[19:03] <lotuspsychje> and be a better help in main, by discussing it here
[19:04] <lotuspsychje> so mostly welcome guys
[19:04] <Jonta> Thank you
[19:04] <hfp> :)
[19:05] <lotuspsychje> hfp: you noticed a good point as https works on manual
[19:05] <pragmaticenigma> hfp: Since you're here... Google is making an effort to make everyone believe that anything not https is bad. It's simply not true, many things do not require https... https is best suited for websites where users are actively exchanging information (i.e. posting content, editing articles, etc.) http is great for static pages, that don't require regular maintaining.
[19:06] <Jonta> Simplification is good. https everything is simpler than "it depends"
[19:06] <BluesKaj> Hey lotuspsychje ...was busy converting some music files
[19:06] <hfp> pragmaticenigma: IMHO, https is good for everything: one of my ISPs used to do shady stuff and insert their own code into http pages passing through their pipes
[19:06] <pragmaticenigma> A static webpage running on https requires maintaining becuase the certificate eventually expires. When the cert expires, it prevents people from accessing that information
[19:06] <hfp> I think comcast did this in the last few years too, they were inserting a global tracking id of sorts IIRC
[19:07] <hfp> yes and no, with lets encrypt or netlify it's not that hard to keep your cert up to date and your webiste online. cloudflare helps too, but then cloudlfare is a mitm so I personally don't like it
[19:07] <pragmaticenigma> hfp: This is a good example of what I'm trying to say. https://tech.slashdot.org/story/18/06/30/028220/is-googles-promotion-of-https-misguided
[19:08] <pragmaticenigma> The best statement from the article is: Google is a guest on the web, as we all are. Guests don't make the rules.
[19:08] <lotuspsychje> oerheks: you feel tabs faster now?
[19:09] <hfp> right, I didn't consider Chrome marking http as insecure and inaccessible
[19:11] <pragmaticenigma> I don't see harm in upgrading sites to https... I see harm in a company forcing people to think they have to
[19:12] <lotuspsychje> the force of google :p
[19:12] <lotuspsychje> you need a search engine and and a mailbox!
[19:13] <lotuspsychje> we are all slaves of technology no?
[19:13] <hfp> Fair enough. I can't think of a better way to keep ISPs from interferring and chagning the content in transit though. I can't find a narticle about that ISP who inserted a global UUID in its customers' webpages
[19:13] <pragmaticenigma> the build up of https was born out of the shady practices of a few bad actors. I'm not blind to that factor, but I find alternatives or solutions to those problems... not the sledge hammer approach google is forcing people to believe
[19:13] <hfp> lotuspsychje: I broke my chains from gmail and rolled my own mailserver
[19:13] <lotuspsychje> hfp: good idea :p
[19:13] <pragmaticenigma> hfp: First step is to not use your ISPs DNS servers. That's how they're able to about 95% of it.
[19:13] <lotuspsychje> then only slave from isp and .gov now :p
[19:15] <hggdh> Verizon
[19:15] <hggdh> and AT&T...
[19:17] <pragmaticenigma> Even when you think you've found an ISP free of meddling, you as the consumer aren't really free... ISPs are all interconnected, and the local ISP down the street has to get their interent from somewhere. In the United States, it's Sprint, Verizon, AT&T, Centry Link (formally Level 3), Comcast, and a couple others
[19:18] <pragmaticenigma> There is no real way to avoid them, other than to cut the cord and go offline
[19:27] <pragmaticenigma> what is the magic encantation for getting the release upgrade official date?
[19:30] <oerheks> lts to lts?
[19:34] <pragmaticenigma> yeah
[19:34] <pragmaticenigma> !lts
[19:35] <pragmaticenigma> !isitout
[19:35] <pragmaticenigma> neither give the date of the LTS upgrade release date
[19:35] <pragmaticenigma> !lts-upgrade
[19:38] <lotuspsychje> !ltsupgrade
[19:38] <lotuspsychje> pragmaticenigma: ^
[19:38] <lotuspsychje> im out for some tv & sleep
[19:38] <lotuspsychje> have a nice1 all
[19:39] <pragmaticenigma> i was so... sooo... close
[19:39] <lotuspsychje> :p
[19:53] <oerheks> Bashing-om :-D
[19:54] <Bashing-om> oerheks: It's amazing out there :P
[22:57] <oerheks> ..  and the identities of people active in partner projects like Tor, and Tails, the privacy-focused operating system. https://www.zdnet.com/article/german-police-raid-homes-of-tor-linked-groups-board-members/
[22:57] <oerheks> :-(
[23:14] <tomreyn> woah wtf, why they put their full names there.
[23:18] <oerheks> .. or the servers were open and running..
[23:19] <Bashing-om> Big Brother ^^ ... at it's worst :(
[23:20] <oerheks> or it is just a smokescreen, who knows