[05:20] <tsimonq2> xnox: What's up with that debootstrap / rsyslog bug?
[05:21] <tsimonq2> I'd like to test some changes I made with the Lubuntu Cosmic daily that only show up on a new ISO build... I'm willing to contribute some time to help with the fix if that's what we're waiting on :)
[05:59] <tsimonq2> Laney: I believe I worked with you on this: https://code.launchpad.net/~tsimonq2/autopkgtest-cloud/+git/bug-1654761/+merge/348972
[05:59] <tsimonq2> As I mention in there, the specifics we discussed aren't really fresh in my mind anymore, unfortunately, but I'm cleaning up my assigned bugs and I want to drive it to completion.
[05:59] <tsimonq2> (as mentioned, this is bug 1654761)
[06:01] <slangasek> tsimonq2: what's the problem with leaving qtgamepad-everywhere-src where it is, given that it's dep-wait?
[06:02] <tsimonq2> slangasek: It's a bit cleaner; I don't have a compelling reason for why it needs to go *now*.
[06:03] <slangasek> tsimonq2: I don't see why it would need to go at all, vs. just building at a later date when its build-deps are satisfiable
[06:04] <tsimonq2> slangasek: Either way, it'll be superseded. You make a good point; it won't hurt.
[06:06] <slangasek> also, looks like xnox worked around the debootstrap failure in rsyslog, and now things fail differently
[06:06] <tsimonq2> Oh?
[06:06] <slangasek> today's image build logs seem to fail later, post-bootstrap
[06:06] <tsimonq2> terminate called after throwing an instance of 'std::runtime_error'
[06:06] <tsimonq2>   what():  random_device::random_device(const std::string&)
[06:06] <tsimonq2> Aborted (core dumped)
[06:06] <tsimonq2> ah
[06:07]  * tsimonq2 tries to repro locally
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[07:10] <tsimonq2> infinity, slangasek: Speaking of cleaning up stuff, could I please get some more eyes on this, and get it merged if it looks good? https://code.launchpad.net/~tsimonq2/debian-cd/lubuntu-cosmic-changes/+merge/345792
[07:12] <tsimonq2> From the discussion we had on May 22nd, we're going to go with having a "Start Lubuntu" option with a single desktop icon first, and down the road I'll look at implementing "maybe-ubiquity"-like features (with the rename from ubiquity to generic names like planned).
[07:12] <tsimonq2> calamares-settings-ubuntu 3 should add the desktop icon.
[07:14] <infinity> tsimonq2: You got NOTRYONLYDO backwards.  And I think there were two if blocks that could be replaced by it (which was why I argued for it)?
[07:15] <infinity> tsimonq2: I mean, maybe the intend of the Yodaism wasn't clear, but it was for images that have 1 install option, instead of both an install and a try (hence "no try") :P
[07:15] <tsimonq2> infinity: Looking.
[07:17] <tsimonq2> infinity: So you're saying, throw NOTRYONLYDO in kubuntu*, lubuntu, and ubuntu-server and keep the change to "if [ "$NOTRYONLYDO" = "true" ]; then" as-is?
[07:17] <infinity> tsimonq2: Set it true for the special cases, and test for != true.
[07:18] <infinity> tsimonq2: I might be wrong about the second if statement, can't find it in a quick scan.
[07:18] <tsimonq2> infinity: Isn't the end result of what I have the same?
[07:18] <infinity> tsimonq2: The end result is the same, but the variable name makes no sense the way you have it.
[07:18] <tsimonq2> infinity: Ah, gotcha. I'll fix, sec.
[07:20] <infinity> tsimonq2: Also the more stylistic nit-pick that setting variables explicitly for special cases is better than implicitly in the catch-all (IMO).
[07:20] <infinity> But mostly, just the inverted meaning is confusing.
[07:21] <infinity> The people who crusade against LOC would disagree with me on the style thing, but I prefer self-documenting code to "elegance" via removing two lines.
[07:21] <tsimonq2> infinity: Better?
[07:22] <tsimonq2> (I personally prefer the style of, "Oh, these three are special. If it isn't special, set the env var in the catch-all.")
[07:23] <infinity> tsimonq2: I suppose it also depends on what the var gets used for, what the default actually is, etc.
[07:24] <tsimonq2> Right.
[07:24] <infinity> But I think this is clearer that it's "weird" to have a single-option boot menu, and you should ask for it.
[07:24] <infinity> Whereas the way you had it, any newly-added case would be single-option by default unless they dug up the magic var.
[07:25] <tsimonq2> Ah, true.
[07:25] <infinity> (Also fixable by setting it outside the case block, then re-setting it inside)
[07:25] <infinity> But that's overkill here.
[07:26] <infinity> This looks better indeed.
[07:27] <tsimonq2> Great.
[07:34] <tsimonq2> infinity: I don't mean to nag, but did you plan on merging it? :P
[07:36] <Laney> tsimonq2: thx
[07:36] <tsimonq2> Laney: Thank *you*. :)
[07:36] <Laney> I'm on the way to guadec but I'll see if I can
[07:37] <tsimonq2> Great, let me know.
[07:37] <tsimonq2> (I hear Almería is great; Akademy was there one of those past years but I didn't get to go. :( )
[07:39] <valorie> great, historic, HOT
[07:40] <valorie> also the journey there and back is.... indirect
[07:40] <valorie> I think if I went again I would drive from Barcelona down the coast
[07:41] <tsimonq2> valorie: If I recall correctly, Laney is in $somewhere_in_Europe so it might be easier for him.
[07:41] <valorie> can't think of anywhere else in Europe I'd want to drive
[07:41] <tsimonq2> (Please don't hurt me, I don't get involved in British politics about who or what is technically in Europe. <3)
[07:41] <valorie> tsimonq2: nothing goes directly to Almeria
[07:41] <tsimonq2> valorie: Ah.
[07:42] <valorie> it's sort of in a corner or so
[07:45] <infinity> tsimonq2: I'll merge it, just working on waking up. :P
[07:46] <tsimonq2> infinity: Are you participating in GUADEC funness too? :P
[07:46] <valorie> infinity: 🍵
[07:46] <infinity> tsimonq2: I don't GUADEC, no.
[07:47] <tsimonq2> valorie: I think it's sort of funny how GUADEC organizers decided to do the conf in the same location as Akademy last year. :P
[07:47] <tsimonq2> infinity: Gotcha.
[07:47] <tsimonq2> infinity: No problem.
[07:47] <tsimonq2> (I'm about to go to bed myself.)
[07:47] <valorie> oh, we trade good places to have confs all the time
[07:48] <infinity> GUADEC and Akademy should have been combined as a freedektop.org conf long ago.  Might have encouraged more colab on common interfaces.
[07:48] <valorie> the local teams are skilled and handle everybody
[07:48] <tsimonq2> Hahahahahaha.
[07:48] <valorie> infinity: oh, we tried and tried, believe me
[07:48] <tsimonq2> XD
[07:48] <valorie> my first big conf was Desktop Summit in Berlin
[07:48] <infinity> valorie: Not implying people haven't tried, just that it should have worked. :P
[07:48] <valorie> completely agree
[07:49] <tsimonq2> valorie: Define "big conf".
[07:49] <valorie> at least the phone people are all cooperating these days
[07:49] <tsimonq2> Mhhhhh.
[07:49] <tsimonq2> In one part of the stack.
[07:50] <valorie> Akademy is..... sometimes bigger, sometimes smaller than LFNW
[07:50] <tsimonq2> Gotcha.
[07:50] <valorie> Desktop Summit was twice as big
[07:50] <tsimonq2> To be fair, I only have LFNW and SELF as reference points. :P
[07:50] <valorie> right, and it would be good to have GNOME and KDE cooperating lower in the stack more than we do
[07:51] <tsimonq2> But something the size of LFNW but with people working in the same Linux project? Wow.
[07:51] <valorie> believe me, I've talked to lots of GNOME devels about this, one to one
[07:51] <tsimonq2> valorie: Well, there's systemd. :P
[07:51] <tsimonq2> systemd is going to become so big one day it has its own permanent conference center...
[07:51] <valorie> lennart is sort of his own show
[07:52] <tsimonq2> "systemd-conferenced, now complete with half the booths being duct-taped to the ceiling."
[07:53] <tsimonq2> Anyway, I should go to bed.
[07:53] <tsimonq2> Nice chatting valorie and infinity.
[07:57] <valorie> niters here too
[08:16] <LocutusOfBorg> Laney, hello, am I right thinking you are trying to sort out mariadb-10.1 autopkgtests?
[08:16] <LocutusOfBorg> I'm doing qgis, the last big transition blocker
[08:17] <Laney> No
[08:18] <Laney> I asked some others to look
[08:37] <LocutusOfBorg> ok fine for me
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[11:01] <LocutusOfBorg> folks, qgis is a sad no-go because of sip4 doing segfault in code generation
[11:01] <LocutusOfBorg> what is your opinion wrt kicking it out to proposed, while we debug the issue?
[11:01] <LocutusOfBorg> also kicking mariadb-10.1 out to proposed might make the ~15 transitions land, and then leave time for autosync and fixes for the two above
[11:02] <LocutusOfBorg> Segmentation fault
[11:08] <doko> LocutusOfBorg: please ask cpaelzer about mariadb/mysql
[11:09] <Laney> Don't duplicate, I've asked juliank and sil2100 to get some information first
[11:10] <LocutusOfBorg> nice to try to debug a sip failure due to new python...
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[13:03] <rbasak> Laney, LocutusOfBorg: are you talking about jemalloc or something else?
[13:03] <rbasak> I don't see jemalloc in http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/transitions/
[13:10] <ginggs> rbasak: nobody set up a tracker for it, but it is in transition https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses.html#jemalloc
[13:10] <sil2100> mwhudson: hey! The latest bionic subiquity server images are erroring out during installation having some touble with installing the kernel, looks like probably related to the kernel 'revert' that happened recently - could you take a look?
[13:13] <rbasak> ginggs: thanks. I'm aware. I'm more wondering who's working on it to coordinate, as I have a volunteer to help.
[13:19] <LocutusOfBorg> rbasak, I look at qgis, nothing else
[13:19] <LocutusOfBorg> yes, we need help in mariadb-10.1 testsuite running forever
[13:19] <LocutusOfBorg> together with qgis they are the last blockers
[13:22] <rbasak> LocutusOfBorg: to make sure I understand, you mean the last blockers for the jemalloc transition?
[13:25] <LocutusOfBorg> jmalloc and other 14 transitions
[13:28] <tjaalton> infinity: ping re purging old xorg drivers, it doesn't make sense for me to update the transitionals pkg before it's clear what drivers remain :)
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[16:52] <acheronuk> seems update_excuses and anything else on people.canonical.com is currently down
[17:04] <slangasek> indeed
[17:05] <slangasek> seems to be a frontend problem, since the machines are up
[17:20] <slangasek> acheronuk: fixed
[17:22] <acheronuk> slangasek: yep. I was just on the sysadmin channel asking. and the content, quote "relies on another server being up that had an issue"
[18:14] <LocutusOfBorg> can anybody please kick haskell-store out from release and see the magic happen again?
[18:14] <LocutusOfBorg> it doesn't build, leaf package requires sourceful upload
[18:15] <LocutusOfBorg> (you can keep it in proposed, I presume it will be fixed in some days, but it will require a new transition, so better keep this one land)
[18:15] <LocutusOfBorg> there is no RC in debian, because they are slow in rebuilds and they didn't catch the failure yet
[18:16] <LocutusOfBorg> (but I forwarded the issue on #-haskell debian channel)
[18:16]  * LocutusOfBorg leaves
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[18:41] <tsimonq2> infinity: About that MP... :P
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[22:47] <mwhudson> well i can confirm the pending bionic live-server iso fails to install
[22:47] <mwhudson> but the way it does so makes it look like the archive is busted?
[22:48] <mwhudson> apt-get install linux-generic failing doesn't look good?
[23:02] <mwhudson> infinity, slangasek: halp, am confused
[23:03] <mwhudson> ohh
[23:03] <slangasek> mwhudson: is this related to the kernel revert for the regression?
[23:03] <mwhudson> slangasek: yes it must be, but i'm also confused
[23:04] <mwhudson> slangasek: although i just realized that the livefs is built from proposed but doesn't have proposed in etc/apt/sources.list
[23:04] <slangasek> well
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[23:04] <mwhudson> which seems likely to lead to confusion?
[23:04] <slangasek> that's probably better than the alternative
[23:05] <mwhudson> yes
[23:05] <mwhudson> probably
[23:05] <mwhudson> but it is going to lead to this sort of thing
[23:05] <slangasek> in this case, we are trying to use the daily image to actually test an SRU, so having it build not from proposed doesn't help
[23:05] <mwhudson> anyway the fix is just to wait for linux-meta to migrate and build a new iso right?
[23:06] <slangasek> unsure.  why is linux-generic not installable in this combination?  is it because the image doesn't include linux-generic, only linux-image-generic or such?
[23:06] <slangasek> (should subiquity be not installing linux-generic? should the image be shipping linux-generic?)
[23:07] <mwhudson> i am not completely sure
[23:09] <mwhudson> whaaat apt-cache does not work on read-only media?
[23:10] <mwhudson> ffs
[23:10] <mwhudson> biab
[23:11] <sarnold> apt-policy?
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[23:19] <mwhudson> oh
[23:20] <mwhudson> ah no the image does have proposed in its sources.list
[23:23] <mwhudson> ah so i think proposed is just inconsistent?
[23:23] <mwhudson> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/bionic/amd64/linux-image-4.15.0-26-generic <- no packages
[23:23] <mwhudson> slangasek: ^
[23:24] <mwhudson> slangasek: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-signed/4.15.0-26.28 <- NEW review pls? :)
[23:28] <mwhudson> at least the initd looks correct wrt microcode