[00:21] <ubuntu> hi
[00:21] <ubuntu> umm hi
[00:21] <Guest86798> hi
[00:21] <Guest86798> hi
[00:22] <Mead> couldn't wait for an answer?  Today is modern Democracy's birthday gotta be patient
[00:28] <migzu> Good evening. Does anyone have a clue about how to enable intel_pstate driver on an installation that was originally on an AMD cpu. Switched it to a modernish intel a while ago, but I can't seem to get turbo enabled.
[00:29] <migzu> It seems to want to run only cpufreq. Didn't find any packages to install related to intel_pstate
[00:30] <migzu> It's an ubuntu server 16.04 on the GA kernel. If it matters
[00:33] <oerheks> migzu, grep -i pstate /boot/config-$(uname -r)  # this should say y = enabled, no need for "GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet splash intel_pstate=enable" anymore ?
[00:33] <oerheks> this is from kernel 3.9 and up
[00:35] <migzu> Yeah, I get CONFIG_X86_INTEL_PSTATE=y. and I'm running 4.4.0-128. However I don't get "intel_pstate"-folder in  /sys/devices/system/cpu. Only cpufreq there
[00:36] <migzu> So I can't acces any of the turbo of freq related options
[00:37] <oerheks>  cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu*/cpufreq/scaling_cur_freq && cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu*/cpufreq/scaling_driver && cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu*/cpufreq/scaling_governor
[00:37] <migzu> cat: '/sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu*/cpufreq/scaling_cur_freq': No such file or directory
[00:37] <superguest> ene
[00:38] <migzu> cpufreq-folder is empty
[00:38] <oerheks> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/5c3gHbnG6t/
[00:38] <oerheks> something like this
[00:39] <migzu> cpufreq is totally empty
[00:39] <migzu> I mean /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu*/cpufreq
[00:39] <tomreyn> apt install cpufrequtils
[00:40] <MidTwitter> anyone recommend a good email client for ubuntu that can only download the last say 50 messages from an email server when syncing?
[00:41] <migzu> Installed cpufrequtils, still nothing. Should it require a reboot?
[00:42] <oerheks> migzu, yes, i think so, good spot tomreyn
[00:44] <tomreyn> oerheks: may not be sufficient, though, i also don't have it on 4.15.0. what's lacking is a kernel module and cpufrequtils are just the user space utilities to interface with the kernel modules
[00:44] <migzu> Then I'll have to wait until the next power outtage to see the result. the server is "kinda" production. Than you both for help!
[00:46] <tomreyn> https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/CPU_frequency_scaling looks like a good resource generally
[00:48] <oerheks> mine is handles with acpi i guess
[00:49] <oerheks> no performance setiing or forcing needed, it will do it on demand
[00:50] <donofrio> what package provides "libGL.so?"  did apt-cache search before I asked just in case.
[00:52] <oerheks> mesa or nvidia i guess
[00:52] <royal_screwup21> To open up my IDE, I've got to type "bash /opt/clion-2018.1.5/bin/clion.sh" -- so I tried to put this in my bashrc: alias clion ="bash /opt/clion-2018.1.5/bin/clion.sh". But when opening a new terminal session, I got an error: alias clion ="bash /opt/clion-2018.1.5/bin/clion.sh"; How do I fix this?
[00:52] <oerheks> yay \o/ https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?suite=precise&arch=any&mode=exactfilename&searchon=contents&keywords=libGL.so
[00:53] <Bashing-om> donofrio: -  libglvnd-dev - : https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?searchon=contents&keywords=libGL.so&mode=exactfilename&suite=bionic&arch=any .
[00:54] <AAA_awright> Ubuntu is pulling up an on-screen keyboard every time I touch the screen. How do I disable it?
[00:54] <oerheks> https://snapcraft.io/clion gives 2018.1.5 too, and updates
[00:55] <oerheks> oh wait, clion: 30 day free evaluation, i think you should seek support from them
[00:56] <oerheks> evaluate their support :-D
[00:56] <oerheks> for 30 days
[00:58] <hfp> Hmmm what's happening with this SSD? I can't mount it in ubuntu and it blocks another computer from starting up properly: https://dpaste.de/agDp
[00:58] <hfp> This is a SATA SSD in a USD SATA adapter
[00:58] <hfp> s/USD/USB
[00:59] <pavlos> AAA_awright: which ubuntu?
[01:00] <donofrio> Bashing-om, that got rid of the errors...glxgears is till at 1453.647 FPS....one day I'll have this working better
[01:00] <AAA_awright> pavlos: Uh, latest? 18.04
[01:02] <hfp> It seems to be a USB3 issue FWIW because it works fine on a USB2 plug
[01:02] <pavlos> AAA_awright: System Settings > Universal Access > Screen Keyboard OFF
[01:02] <luxio> anyone know of a program that runs offline that lets you read md files?
[01:02] <oerheks> hfp, they you fixed it. that usb adapter is not suitable.
[01:02] <AAA_awright> pavlos: That's already turned off
[01:03] <AAA_awright> Turning it on or off doesn't seem to change the behavior
[01:04] <pavlos> AAA_awright: there is a bug reported ... https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell/+bug/1723857
[01:04] <hfp> oerheks: pretty sure the usb adapter used to work fine, idk what happened
[01:06] <oerheks> AAA_awright, so it *is* caribou ?? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell/+bug/1723857/comments/12
[01:06] <oerheks> also an extention to block it.
[01:06] <oerheks> or completely remove it..
[01:11] <AAA_awright> pavlos: One of those comments might be related
[01:11] <AAA_awright> oerheks: I don't have caribou installed
[01:11] <AAA_awright> Which package is it?
[01:11] <oerheks> !find caribou
[01:12] <oerheks> odd, that bugreports is form 17.10, but talks about caribou too, like you said yesterday
[01:12] <AAA_awright> Yeah I don't have any of those packages installed
[01:13] <oerheks> This bug was fixed in the package gnome-shell - 3.27.91-0ubuntu1
[01:13] <oerheks> Version 3.28.1-0ubuntu2 is current...
[01:17] <AAA_awright> Can I just uninstall the keyboard?
[01:21] <pavlos> AAA_awright: seems to be a gnome thing ... I cannnot find the process
[01:42] <AAA_awright> Also the right-click button on my pen no longer pulls up the context menu
[01:43] <AAA_awright> How do I configure this?
[01:44] <AAA_awright> (Do any of the developers even use Ubuntu on a daily basis, it's appalling how unusable it has become)
[01:44] <oerheks> pen .. so this keyboard could well be part of wacom tools something?
[01:44] <gasull> I'm getting a gpg signatures invalid error when running aptitude: "the repository 'http://extras.ubuntu.com/ubuntu trusty Release' is not signed".  I tried apt-clean and also deleting /var/lib/apt/lists and creating it again.  Any other ideas?
[01:45] <AAA_awright> oerheks: The "Wacom Tablet" configuration seems to detect my screen as a "Tablet", but doesn't offer any configuration options besides calibration
[01:46] <AAA_awright> And it says "No stylus found"
[01:46] <oerheks> oh oke, just a thought
[01:46] <oerheks> never seen keyboard as part of it, but it could be logical
[02:06] <phillijw> my server got shutdown from a storm and now w hen I boot up it says it's in emergency mode but I can't seem to get it out
[02:08] <phillijw> timeout waiting for device dev-disk-by\x2duiuid-blablabla.device
[02:08] <phillijw> dependency failed for /media/thingy.
[02:08] <phillijw> Dependency failed for Local File Systems.
[02:09] <SwedeMike> phillijw: there is probably a more serious problem with the file system checking and it requires you to manually do something (run fsck).
[02:10] <SwedeMike> phillijw: https://askubuntu.com/questions/885062/root-file-system-requires-manual-fsck/885085 gives some pointers to what you should do
[02:11] <oerheks> fsck indeed
[02:11] <norwood67> curious: does anyone know how to limit mount cifs to using a specfic interface?
[02:11] <oerheks> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FilesystemTroubleshooting
[02:14] <phillijw> ok, going to go fsck the machine real quick
[02:14] <Randolf> Help!  Ubuntu Linux 18.04 LTS is stuck after login -- screen is purple, I can move the mouse, but the Desktop doesn't appear.  Also, the CPU fan is running fast.
[02:14] <Randolf> How can I get things working?
[02:14] <Randolf> Thanks.
[02:16] <Randolf> If I press CTRL-Alt-F1 then I'm returned to the login screen.
[02:18] <Randolf> Any help would be greatly appreciated.
[02:21] <flyingtoaster> you probably should reboot
[02:22] <Randolf> I had to do a hard power off.
[02:22] <flyingtoaster> I pull the plug and everything goes back to normal
[02:22] <flyingtoaster> ya
[02:22] <Randolf> When I try to login, it just gets stuck after I enter my password.
[02:22] <flyingtoaster> You might want to look at the text boot screen
[02:23] <flyingtoaster> see if something isn't loading
[02:23] <flyingtoaster> or your OS might be set to wait for the network
[02:23] <Randolf> Yeah, it gets stuck for 45 seconds because lvmetad isn't working.  Then everything else continues on normally.
[02:23] <Guest22148> Hi, I have a USB drive that has no partition on it. When i run DISKS from Ubuntu Mate, I can see it there but when I am in GParted to want to create a primary partition....GParted doesn't see it
[02:23] <Guest22148> any ideas?
[02:23] <Randolf> But it's been doing that since day one.
[02:24] <Randolf> That's the only problem I see.
[02:24] <flyingtoaster> Gparted probably sees it, but it's hard to tell which drive is which
[02:24] <Randolf> (I turned on "show text during boot" or whatever the problem is.)
[02:24] <flyingtoaster> compare drive sizes
[02:24] <Guest22148> In DISKS, it sees it as /dev/sdb
[02:24] <flyingtoaster> Randolf: if all else fails, reinstall
[02:24] <Tin__man> Guest22148, in the top right part of gparted you should be able to choose what drive is viewed .
[02:25] <flyingtoaster> What he said
[02:25] <flyingtoaster> ^
[02:25] <Guest22148> but in the top right dropdown....it's only my hard drive
[02:25] <Guest22148> there is no dev/sdb
[02:25] <Guest22148> just dev/sda
[02:25] <flyingtoaster> unmount it
[02:25] <phillijw> ok so I don't think its a fsck issue necessarily. I have an external RAID (usb) connected and I have it set up in fstab with a UUID=xyz. It seems like it can't mount that or something but I'm not entirely sure why
[02:25] <flyingtoaster> and remount it
[02:25] <bapa> Which reminds me. Anyone know if Gparted failing to inform the kernel of partition table changes is a common or known issue?
[02:25] <Randolf> flyingtoaster:  So, this all seemed to start happening after I installed the most recent updates, which included some stuff for Gnome.
[02:25] <Randolf> Are those updates b0rked?
[02:25] <bapa> The Gnome Disks utility also goes a bit nuts when partitioning, and I have to reboot to get it to show a sane layout sometimes.
[02:26] <bapa> (Not looking for support/troubleshooting, just wanna know if it's known. Thanks!)
[02:26] <flyingtoaster> Randolf: just do a clean install from an 18.04 iso
[02:26] <Randolf> I'd rather not re-install.  It took me almost a week to get everything working the way I needed it after the Windows 10 disaster.
[02:27] <Randolf> So, is there no other option than re-installing?
[02:34] <flyingtoaster> Randolf: unless I am forgetting something, unfortunately no
[02:36] <Randolf> flyingtoaster:  I think the Ubuntu Linux needs a special login mode that works in a "vanilla" way that the user can turn on with a checkbox in the login options.
[02:36] <Randolf> Hmm, I see I have two options at the login prompt.
[02:36] <Randolf> One of them includes the word Wayword.
[02:37] <Randolf> Sorry, I meant Wayland.
[02:37] <Randolf> That logs in okay.
[02:37] <Randolf> What the hell happened?
[02:37] <Randolf> Is this part of the new Gnome update?
[02:38] <Randolf> My xterm now has a white background instead of black.
[02:38] <Randolf> I will need to switch that back.
[02:39] <Bashing-om> Randolf: wayand is the future DE; presenty as an alternate to X11.
[02:39] <Randolf> Bashing-om:  I'm new to Linux, and my background in Unix is with NetBSD without a GUI.
[02:39] <Randolf> Bashing-om:  I thought X11 was long gone, but I guess not?
[02:40] <phillijw> ok, so i commented out the usb drive from my fstab and it boots now but I obviously want to leave that in there so it will be there each time it boots. What do I do?
[02:41] <gasull> Nobody can help me with this question?:  I'm getting a gpg signatures invalid error when running aptitude: "the repository 'http://extras.ubuntu.com/ubuntu trusty Release' is not signed".  I tried apt-clean and also deleting /var/lib/apt/lists and creating it again.
[02:41] <Bashing-om> Randolf: X11 is in the way out . Still available on Xubuntu .
[02:43] <Randolf> Ah, so it's a rather big project I guess.
[02:43] <Randolf> So, is what happened to me here that this Gnome update switched me to Wayland, but somehow I was logging into X11 that's not working now?
[02:43] <Bashing-om> gasull: The error does not give you the missing key ? One can get the sighning key from the source .
[02:44] <gasull> Bashing-om: I have the key but I still get the error
[02:45] <Bashing-om> Randolf: Have not followed your issue . I personally prefer wayland ..but there is a lack of app support presently .
[02:46] <Randolf> Bashing-om:  Well, last week I was running Windows 10 on my laptop, but it corrupted itself (again) to a state beyond repair.  All the Microsoft Apologists keep saying that I should re-install but I decided to move to Ubuntu Linux 18.04 LTS, which I found to be anywhere from 2 times to 10 times faster than Windows.
[02:47] <Randolf> I've got WINE working to support most of the applications I need that only work on Windows, and everything else is native Linux apps.
[02:47] <Randolf> Anyway, today I installed Linux updates and then I found I couldn't get logged back in.
[02:47] <Randolf> ...unless I chose the "Wayland" option.
[02:48] <Bashing-om> Randolf: Boot to the grub boot menu and try an older kernel . the new kernel does break in some instances .
[02:48] <Randolf> Under Linux, my battery lasts more than 3 times as long as it did under Windows.
[02:49] <Randolf> Bashing-om:  How do I get into the GRUB boot menu?
[02:49] <pennTeller> Hi guys I have an ubuntu 16.04 unmanaged cloud with a hosting provider. I have always been using UFW as a firewall but today I was curious and ran a command to see my iptables rules and I must say there are MANY that I did not add there is literally like 50 rules when I only added 5 through ufw
[02:49] <sonicwind> are you using tlp, Randolf?
[02:49] <Randolf> sonicwind:  I don't know what "tlp" is.
[02:49] <sonicwind> it extends the life of the battery under linux
[02:49] <Bashing-om> gasull: ' sudo apt-key adv --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com --recv-keys <40976EAF437D05B5> ' ?? where you replace with the key in the error .
[02:49] <sonicwind> you may be able to make further gains then
[02:50] <Randolf> sonicwind:  When I type "man tlp" in the shell, there's no manual entry, so I suppose I'm not using that.
[02:51] <gasull> Bashing-om: been there / done that
[02:51] <Randolf> sonicwind:  Oh, I see.  Yes, it sets up different options depending on whether one is using AC power or battery.
[02:51] <Randolf> sonicwind:  I'll keep that in mind.  Thank you.
[02:51] <sonicwind> yeah
[02:51] <Randolf> I'm pretty happy with 8+ hours battery life now.
[02:51] <Bashing-om> Randolf: As soon as the bios screen clears spam the escape key - there is only a 3 second window of opportunuty for grub to see the key .
[02:52] <Randolf> Bashing-om:  Okay, I'll give that a try.
[02:52] <Randolf> Right now things are working as long as I login with the Wayland option.
[02:52] <Randolf> That's good to know though.
[02:52] <ceibal> hola
[02:52] <Randolf> Will going back to an older kernel break some things though?
[02:52] <ceibal> qi onda karnal
[02:52] <Randolf> Hola.
[02:53] <guiverc> pennTeller: Did you install the Ubuntu image (from a Canonical ISO), as I've read many cloud images are modified containing rules that better suit their service (ie. non-standard)...
[02:53] <ceibal> que hacen we
[02:53] <Randolf> I'll be right back...
[02:53] <Bashing-om> Randolf: I like wayland .. only thing if ya running nvidia graphics .,,no proprietary driver support less the 396 version driver .
[02:53] <ceibal> speak spanish?
[02:54] <Bashing-om> !es | ceibal
[03:00] <pennTeller> guys does ufw create MANY rules when  you ask it something simple? or does it add one or two rules only like one would do manually with iptables?
[03:05] <oerheks> pennTeller, yes, if you use sudo ufw show raw you would see 50+ lines
[03:05] <oerheks> but that would be ufw > iptables
[03:05] <oerheks> that is oke
[03:05] <oerheks> if your VM provider added rules, ask them
[03:06] <oerheks> sure there are logical explanaitions, like updates, control panel and such
[03:09] <oerheks> You can also read the rules files in /etc/ufw
[03:10] <pennTeller> I actually used iptables -S
[03:11] <pennTeller> but maybe my hosting provider added those
[03:15] <Bashing-om> gasull: Any joy ' gpg --export --armor <9BDB3D89CE49EC21> | sudo apt-key add - ' ? note the dash at the end .
[03:23] <Randolf> pennTeller:  Are they hosting a web site for you, or a VM for you that you control?
[03:23] <Randolf> ...e.g., with root access.
[03:24] <PsychoBoB> why my wireless internet signal is minimun on notebook and maximun on my phone?
[03:24] <Randolf> If it's a VM, then they should be asking you before making changes to the configuration (unless you're getting a VM that they participate in managing).
[03:30] <matias> hello
[03:32] <Randolf> Hello matias.
[03:33] <matias> para que es este chat ? que objetivos tiene ?
[03:34] <Lord-Kamina> Hi.
[03:34] <matias> hi
[03:36] <Lord-Kamina> How can I add a repository with packages meant for newer versions of ubuntu via CLI? (stuck with trusty)
[03:38] <guiverc> Lord-Kamina: if you don't know how, you won't be skilled enough to deal with the potential for dep-hell that can occur. It's not recommended for a reason.
[03:39] <Lord-Kamina> I doubt I'm not skilled enough. I'm just not a Linux user.
[03:39] <Lord-Kamina> I only deal with it on our CI.
[03:39] <Lord-Kamina> And I just need a newer libicu, I don't think that should give any trouble dependency-wise.
[03:46] <Bashing-om> Lord-Kamina: Maybe able to get it from backports repo : https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuBackports . At your own risk .
[04:46] <roy_muzz> Hi, I believe I started with ubuntu 18.04 as a pre-release and therefore, despite sudo apt updates and upgrades since, I am using the Linux chompsky 4.15.0-041500rc6-generic kernel. How do i migrate to more mainstream kernel where I am able to apt install kernel headers?
[04:53] <oerheks> apt update && apt full-upgrade perhaps?
[04:53] <oerheks> if you update, you would see packages kept back
[04:54] <elfatherbrown> Hi. So I have a linux vps and now I want to run apps like gnome-terminal through vnc on my OS X laptop. I can do xquartz and ssh with X forwarding and that works, but rdp is faster. Anyone has a good way for this?
[04:57] <oerheks> for just terminal command, use ssh
[04:57] <oerheks> !ssh
[04:58] <elfatherbrown> oerheks, yes that works well. But I want to use the RDP protocol instead of plain X because RDP is faster (more compressed).
[05:03] <oerheks> that makes no sense at all, or just a ascii stream, or a complete graphical desktop
[05:04] <oerheks> and vnc is not safe, it should run over ssh too :-D
[05:05] <roy_muzz> oerheks, a sudo apt full-upgrade yeilded no packages to update.
[05:09] <oerheks> looking ofr the difference between full-upgrade and dist-upgrade, i think dist-upgrade would bring you to full 18.04
[05:11] <oerheks>  still odd though
[05:12] <roy_muzz> oerheks, yeah still no packages to upgrade? Is there an apt to just install the latest stable kernel?
[05:15] <oerheks> roy_muzz, no, something is wrong here, what is the last time you rebooted?
[05:16] <roy_muzz> oerheks: I reboot every day, so there would have been at least a few months of regular sudo apt updates and sudo apt upgrades and reboots
[05:16] <oerheks> maybe someone else has a clue here ..
[05:17] <oerheks> 4.15.0-041500rc6
[05:17] <roy_muzz> oerheks, could it be that grub is statically booting into an old kernel, rather than the latest released kernel?
[05:19] <blue1> roy_muzz: curious - why do you reboot everyday?
[05:19] <roy_muzz> blue1: It is a laptop and hibernate tends to eat the battery a bit.
[05:20] <blue1> roy_muzz: ahh that makes sense -- my server has gone weeks w/o rebooting -- that makes sense on a laptop
[05:25] <roy_muzz> should I sudo apt remove linux-image-4.15.0-041500rc6-generic  and sudo apt install linux-modules-4.15.0-24-generic
[05:25] <roy_muzz> sorry, sudo apt install linux-image-4.15.0-24-generic
[05:42] <touchtouch> Hi, I'm looking to get my laptop's touch screen correctly working. It senses touch, but selects text instead of scrolling. How can I fix this? System: Lenovo Ideapad 13(?) and Ubuntu 18.04
[05:46] <oerheks> there are some touch and keyboard bugs indeed
[05:46] <oerheks> https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=788188
[05:46] <oerheks> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell/+bug/1723857
[05:55] <Nobun>  bug report: wrong package bcmwl-kernel-source in Ubuntu 16.04 for kernel 4.15.0-24: the          │ gentoouser|a
[05:55] <Nobun>               │               | "solution" was to replace package found in 16.04 with the one for ubuntu 18.04 (download .deb,   │ GrandePuffo
[05:55] <Nobun>               │               | install .deb)
[05:55] <Nobun> uhm bad copy paste... I will re-fine paste
[05:57] <Nobun> ----------------------
[05:58] <Nobun> bug report: wrong package bcmwl-kernel-source in Ubuntu 16.04 for kernel 4.15.0-24: the
[05:58] <Nobun> "solution" was to replace package found in 16.04 with the one for ubuntu 18.04
[05:58] <Nobun> (download .deb,install .deb)
[05:58] <Nobun> I reported this bug becose it could be necessary to replace current bcmwl-kernel-source package in 16.04 with a copy of the same package bcwml-kernel-source that is available for ubuntu 18.04
[05:59] <cfhowlett> as you have already reported the bug, there is no need to repeat it here Nobun
[06:03] <oerheks> 16.04 with 4.15, is this from HWE ??
[06:03] <lotuspsychje> Nobun: other kernel version can react another way on drivers...no need to replace them in our repos
[06:04] <oerheks> if not HWE, and you installed that kernel manually, then that bugreport is invalid
[06:04] <oerheks> HWE would give 4.13, no?
[06:05] <lotuspsychje> Nobun: you have an url for the bug so we can take a look?
[06:20] <sharjeel> something on my ubuntu box is filtering out traffic to port 80. when run TCPDUMP, it shows syn is received but no handshake response. There doesn't seem to be any iptables rules in place. Any ideas?
[06:58] <amazoniantoad> Where could I go for help with libvirt? I'm trying to get xen running in ubuntu
[06:59] <ikonia> amazoniantoad: what sort of help do you need ?
[07:03] <Dodo> I've been running gentoo on my laptop for about a year now. It's a pain, but the good kind of pain
[07:04] <Dodo> is ubuntu painless? I need to spend less time on my OS in my life
[07:04] <ikonia> Dodo: ubuntu is a very straightforward distro to use
[07:04] <Dodo> And is the ppa nightmare a real thing?
[07:04] <ikonia> PPA is as good/bad as you allow it
[07:04] <ikonia> if you use trusted repos with good maintainers, it's great, if you add any old repo it will ruin your system
[07:06] <amazoniantoad> ikonia: I used virt-builder to download an image of another linux os. Now I'm trying to boot into it. I haven't messed with networking at all. When I try to call virt-install I get ERROR    Failed to connect socket to '/var/run/libvirt/libvirt-sock': Connection refused
[07:06] <ikonia> amazoniantoad: so that will be because the virt daemon isn't running
[07:06] <ikonia> it's trying to connect to a socket
[07:06] <ikonia> amazoniantoad: or the socket is in the wrong place
[07:07] <amazoniantoad> ikonia: how can I confirm the daemon isn't running? I think I started the service once already, manually
[07:07] <ikonia> amazoniantoad: check the process list, is it running
[07:10] <amazoniantoad> ikonia: ran service libvirtd start, didn't throw any error. Checked process list and grepped virt. Only saw virtlogd
[07:11] <ikonia> amazoniantoad: what version of ubuntu is this ?
[07:11] <amazoniantoad> ikonia: 18.04 LTS
[07:12] <ikonia> amazoniantoad: you use systemd, not 'service" to manage services
[07:14] <Nobun> cfhowlett: no I didn't reported elsewhere (except ubuntu-it)
[07:14] <Nobun> I say 'I reported' meaning 'I reported here'
[07:15] <amazoniantoad> ikonia: ...how? sorry
[07:15] <ikonia> amazoniantoad: look up systemctl
[07:15] <Nobun> lotuspsychje: I don't have an url for the bug. I can give you this link if it helps: https://elementaryos.stackexchange.com/questions/15842/bcm43142-and-linux-kernel-4-15-0-24-generic/15869
[07:16] <Nobun> I experienced the same issue and I follow that suggestion and worked for me too.
[07:17] <amazoniantoad> ikonia: ran sudo systemctl start libvirtd
[07:17] <amazoniantoad> Still cannot connect
[07:20] <demahum1> https://prnt.sc/k2r0e7 -> I have installed 16.04 with Unity  (more than a year ago). Suddenly I see this Gnome logo in the abut section. I did not install Gnome and still have Unity, nor I installed some themes, nor I did anything special in that sense (afaik). What might have happened to cause this?
[07:22] <amazoniantoad> ikonia: should I list what's listening on localhost?
[07:24] <ducasse> amazoniantoad: try 'systemctl status -l libvirtd', look for errors
[07:27] <amazoniantoad> thanks ducasse
[07:27] <amazoniantoad> ikonia: ducasse https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/xXqc9Gy99x/
[07:32] <amazoniantoad> When I run /etc/init.d/libvirtd start, no errors are thrown
[07:35] <ducasse> amazoniantoad: try checking the output of 'journalctl -u libvirtd', look for hints on why libvirtd failed to start up
[07:35] <amazoniantoad> I was about to do that
[07:35] <amazoniantoad> thanks ducasse
[07:38] <amazoniantoad> ducasse: https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/Bg474CQ75v/
[07:41] <ducasse> amazoniantoad: i can't tell you the meaning of that third line, sorry. you can try asking in #libvirt, and if you don't get a response try their official channel #virt on oftc
[07:41] <ducasse> amazoniantoad: sorry i can't help
[07:41] <amazoniantoad> ducasse: thanks for your help
[07:42] <ducasse> give them that log snippet
[07:42] <amazoniantoad> yeah
[08:02] <Lachezar> Hey all. Upgraded kernel to 4.15.0-24-generic, and now my laptop does not boot properly. It shows black screen. Pressing random buttons on the integrated (not USB) keyboard seems to make it run, sometimes moving the mouse for 10-15 seconds also seems to make it work, but it's unreliable.
[08:02] <Lachezar> Tried 'noresume' in /etc/default/grub (and sudo update-grub), but that does not help.
[08:03] <Ben64> what laptop
[08:03] <Lachezar> I still have the 4.15.0-23 version, and it does not exhibit such behaviour.
[08:03] <Lachezar> Ben64: Lenovo T520
[08:03] <Ben64> interesting
[08:04] <Ben64> someone was in earlier today with problems getting into gui on -24
[08:04] <Nobun> Lachezar: it is reported that new kernel could have issues if secureboot is active
[08:04] <Lachezar> Weird stuff in dmesg: here is a 30 second gap between 5 sec and 35 sec
[08:04] <brainwash> Lachezar: I would test 4.15.0-26.28 from -proposed
[08:05] <Ben64> oh is secureboot the problem?
[08:05] <Lachezar> Nobun: No secure boot!
[08:05] <Ben64> maybe not
[08:05] <Ben64> i didn't see if it ever got resolved, but i did try -24 and -25 on my laptop with no issues
[08:05] <Lachezar> The kernel boots, but than hangs.
[08:05] <brainwash> bug 1779827
[08:06] <Lachezar> systemd-analyse: Startup finished in 3.034s (kernel) + 40.595s (userspace) = 43.630s
[08:06] <brainwash> why not just check the bug tracker..
[08:06] <Nobun> Ben64: don't know what kind of issues secureboot could cause (since I disabled it) but I heared that secureboot could be a problem in some situations... this is why I said it.
[08:06] <Lachezar> brainwash: Did that
[08:06] <Lachezar> brainwash: It suggests adding "noresume" to the kernel options, but that does not help me.
[08:07] <brainwash> it does? searching for "noresume" gives no results
[08:08] <brainwash> in any case, test -26 from the -proposed repository
[08:08] <Lachezar> brainwash: This is a different bug that you refered. It shows that the user has access to the text-console, while I don't
[08:09]  * Lachezar is enabling proposed...
[08:10] <Edisto> can't seem to get plex to work on ubuntu with my external drives... Tried 'sudo gpasswd -a plex plugdev' but still doesn't access my external hard drives
[08:10] <Lachezar> Hm. -proposed has way more stuff than just the kernel :-/
[08:10] <brainwash> pick only the new kernel version
[08:11] <brainwash> ignore the rest
[08:11] <Lachezar> brainwash: can't do that. "apt-get update && apt-get upgrade && apt-get dist-upgrade" is my mantra. I'm not that skilled.
[08:13] <ducasse> Lachezar: 'apt install' just the kernel packages
[08:13] <brainwash> apt-get install <package>
[08:14]  * Lachezar is going to "le boot"...
[08:17] <chris_99> Hey, i'm using 18.04, and i'm trying to get a colour prompt, i tried doing 'force_color_prompt=yes' but the output of 'ls' etc. is still white, i know the terminal supports colour as i can do things like echo -e "Default \e[32mGreen" which prints coloured text
[08:19] <guiverc_t> Edisto, I know nothing about plex; but if you `mount` your drives; won't plex use any drives?  (ie. you could accomplish via fstab mounts maybe)
[08:19] <brainwash> chris_99: doesn't 'force_color_prompt=yes' only color the PS1 prompt?
[08:20] <chris_99> brainwash: sorry i'm not sure.  is there another command i should be using to get everything in colour?
[08:21] <brainwash> chris_99: scroll down a bit in your bashrc. it menstions dircolors.
[08:22] <guiverc_t> chris_99, try `ls --color=auto`
[08:22] <brainwash> that should be already the default
[08:23] <chris_99> by .bashrc was empty alas, let me investigate that though cheers.  guiverc_t that works too
[08:23] <guiverc_t> chris_99, i have `alias ls='ls --color=audo'`  - maybe somehow your accidently deleted that?
[08:24] <brainwash> you can copy the default one from /etc/skel/
[08:24] <chris_99> ah cheers
[08:25] <chris_99> woo, that did the job, thanks
[08:25] <brainwash> great :)
[08:32] <Lachezar> RE. 4.15.0-25-generic did not help. Black screen for 30 seconds, then minutes until I gave up and started wiggling the mouse :(
[08:32] <brainwash> you need -26
[08:33] <brainwash> which was uploaded very recently
[08:33]  * Lachezar is sad.
[08:33] <Lachezar> brainwash: It does not exist :-/
[08:33] <charlin> u should reboot? ir edit the shart document
[08:34] <pingwindyktator> Hello. Can someone here help me with upstart conf file? I was trying in #upstart but with no response
[08:34] <charlin> you can search this on bbs or www.baidu.com
[08:35] <Lachezar> brainwash: Probably not propagated to mirrors? Any mirror you know that has -26?
[08:36] <brainwash> Lachezar: try another "apt-get update" first
[08:37] <brainwash> to refresh the repo info
[08:37] <adrian_1908> Hello. can I disable the wpa_supplicant service if I don't have a wifi interface, or does it server a dual purpose?
[08:37] <charlin> he even cannot reach this os,how can he apt-get update
[08:37] <Lachezar> brainwash: Did that multiple times.
[08:38] <brainwash> adrian_1908: in this case you can disable it
[08:38] <adrian_1908> ok, thank you.
[08:38] <Lachezar> Ugh? Why does it want to remove linux-generic?
[08:38] <Lachezar> brainwash: made temporary /etc/hosts link to a central mirror.
[08:38] <charlin> Lachezar, how the startscreen of your computer? you should choose the way acess to your OS by setup the bios
[08:40] <Lachezar> This -proposed stuff has me by the balls. Wants to remove the *microcode and linux-generic packages.
[08:42] <charlin> Lachezar   can U in TTY mode? CTR+ALT+F3
[08:42] <brainwash> you don't have to install the newer linux-generic package I'd think
[08:43] <charlin> you should backup this kind of document until you del it
[08:43] <Lachezar> brainwash: It doesn't want to install -26 if it does not remove linux-generic.
[08:44] <brainwash> if it's too much trouble, you could just use -23 until the fixed version is available via regular updates
[08:44] <Lachezar> How do I revert the kernel?
[08:45] <Lachezar> brainwash: I'm trying to go back to -23, but I've already enabled -proposed, the kernel is marked for removal, and I'll probably never move to a newer kernel ever.
[08:46] <brainwash> disable -proposed then
[08:46] <brainwash> and do another apt-get update
[08:46] <charlin> You can reinstall ubuntu.And dont worry about lost of files.
[08:47] <charlin> or before you start  you can press 'E' and edit it
[08:48] <Lachezar> brainwash: Once packages are installed from -proposed there is no going back :(
[08:49] <Lachezar> brainwash: I disabled proposed, but there is no effect: kernel -23 is not available.
[08:52] <charlin> Lachezar  You can get grub mode and choose advance ubuntu>> and choose the recovery mode.
[08:52] <brainwash> Lachezar: you mean that you've removed that kernel version?
[08:53] <Lachezar> brainwash: I managed to manually restore it from /var/cache/apt/archives
[08:53] <brainwash> ok
[08:54] <adrian_1908> Does systemd-networkd run by default on the Desktop? Can anyone check (or knows)? I'm not sure if I had to enable it manually.
[08:55] <adrian_1908> I'm thinking it's off by default on the Desktop as NetworkManager might take care of its duties.
[08:56] <Lachezar> My system its now totally effed up. Rebooting. Hopefully I'll get back to -23.
[08:58] <charlin> no thanks
[09:02] <Lachezar> RE. On -23 again, but "apt-get update && apt-get upgrade && apt-get dist-upgrade" now refuse to install -24
[09:02] <Lachezar> What did I do wrong?
[09:02] <charlin> ...
[09:02] <adrian_1908> Lachezar: i joined later, did you mess with the kernels because of the boot-delay issue?
[09:02] <Lachezar> adrian_1908: Yes.
[09:02] <ppf> Lachezar: how does it refuse?
[09:02] <Lachezar> adrian_1908: And it seems I managed to eff up badly :(
[09:03] <Lachezar> ppf: There is newer kernel -24, but apt-get update+upgrade+dist-upgrade show no sign of it.
[09:03] <adrian_1908> Lachezar: yeah, that sucks man. there would have been alternatives. I hope most people are aware of these right now so other don't run into the same trap.
[09:03] <charlin> you should change your update resources
[09:03] <Lachezar> I might have *fixed* the version of any of the packages while reverting to -23. Is there a way I can check about that?
[09:04] <Lachezar> adrian_1908: Advise?
[09:04] <adrian_1908> Yesterday when I ran into the issue, nobody here seemed aware of it yet, but luckily i found the launchpad report and waited for suggestions from there.
[09:04] <Lachezar> I had to 'apt-get install linux-generic=...-23...'
[09:05] <adrian_1908> Lachezar: no idea about the kernels, your problem is something different to the original now, isn't it...
[09:05] <Lachezar> adrian_1908: I found multiple reports. Had no success with any of them.
[09:05] <adrian_1908> Lachezar: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1779827
[09:05] <Lachezar> adrian_1908: Nope, not that one :(
[09:06]  * Lachezar curses Firefox again. Damn dbus integration shyte!
[09:06] <ppf> Lachezar: apt policy linux-generic
[09:07] <charlin> lachezar   can you just change the update resources of your computer?  by the  way,which version of linux you are uesing?
[09:07] <Lachezar> ppf: What is the apt-get or dpkg equivalent for that?
[09:08] <ppf> apt-cache policy
[09:08] <ppf> but you have apt, do you not
[09:10] <Lachezar> ppf: That does not seem to help. It says "Candidate: 4.15.0.23.25"
[09:11] <ppf> Lachezar: and what's the version table
[09:12] <ppf> out of curiosity, why did you mess with the installation instead of just booting the old one?
[09:12] <Lachezar> ppf: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/5Wfv2Nj6Cj/
[09:13] <Lachezar> ppf: 'Cause -updates installed -24, -proposed installed -25 and -23 was marked for auto-removal.
[09:14] <brainwash> Lachezar: maybe ask in #ubuntu-kernel. it may be possible that -24 has been pulled, so that people don't install it anymore.
[09:15] <Lachezar> brainwash: Checking.
[09:15] <ppf> Lachezar: it looks like -24 was pulled
[09:15]  * Lachezar sighs in relief
[09:15] <Lachezar> Not effed *that* bad.
[09:15] <Lachezar> Help with this: "linux-image-generic е отбелязан като ръчно инсталиран.
[09:16] <Lachezar> Translation: linux-image-generic is marked as manually installed (I translated this)
[09:16] <ppf> yeah, but that doesn't really mean a lot
[09:16] <Lachezar> Is there a way I can check if there are other packages marked as manually installed?
[09:16] <ppf> the manual flag is only relevant when you do autoremove
[09:17] <ppf> manually installed packages aren't autoremoved
[09:17] <ppf> that's all
[09:17] <Haris> hello all
[09:17] <Lachezar> ppf: but can I see which packages are marked 'manual'?
[09:17] <Haris> doesn't trusty have php5-bcmath, php5-mbstring ?
[09:17]  * Lachezar sees mbstring, brain sees masturbating
[09:18] <brainwash> apt-mark showmanual
[09:18] <ppf> Lachezar: apt-mark
[09:18] <ppf> yeah
[09:18] <Lachezar> 10x
[09:18] <brainwash> http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/bionic/man8/apt-mark.8.html
[09:20] <Lachezar> Hm. 628 auto and 1442 manual?
[09:21] <ppf> plausible
[09:25] <Lachezar> ppf: I'd expect more auto, less manual. Since you know, I haven't explicitly marked anything manual. libreoffice, java, docker... I know I "apt-get install"-ed those, but shouldn't lib* packages be generally auto?
[09:26] <ppf> i've got 1723 vs 2017
[09:26] <ppf> just for reference
[09:28] <adrian_1908> Haris: looks like trusty doesn't.
[09:28] <Haris> yep bcmath is embedded in another pkg. not sure about -mbstring
[09:29] <adrian_1908> From Xenial onwards they have their own packages.
[09:30] <kuberon> Hello
[09:30] <kuberon> I have trouble with a network printer, it says it's unable to add print job, but it kinda works, but the data is being transferred forever
[09:30] <kuberon> do I have to initialize some drivers?
[09:31] <kuberon> I tried with shotwell and gimp
[09:31] <Lachezar> ppf: "apt-mark showhold" is empty. Does that mean I have no "fixed" versions of any packages?
[09:31] <ppf> Lachezar: yes
[09:31]  * Lachezar is somewhat calmer now.
[09:31] <ppf> yes, naught to worry
[09:31] <Lachezar> Thanks people. I appreciate your assistance and patience.
[09:32] <ppf> and you didn't break your index, -24 was pulled from upstream
[09:32] <ppf> !info linux-generic
[09:32] <kuberon> after some time the printer just puts out a blank page
[09:32] <ppf> (not ubottu is a reliable source this release, but anyways)
[09:45] <dreamhawk> Hello! I have a easy question probably! I like Cinnamon DE, and when i replace the Desktop environment with Cinnamon, i have applications that "do the same thing", for example i have 2 programs in start-menu for "Users and groups"... How do i simply remove all of these ?
[09:48] <rory> dreamhawk: It's not that straightforward because all the original apps came with ubuntu-desktop
[09:48] <rory> dreamhawk: but you could individually uninstall each of their packages - I think the Cinnamon menu lets you uninstall via right-click?
[09:51] <kuberon> everything's read only
[09:51] <kuberon> storage devices
[09:51] <kuberon> not a problem on linux mint
[09:51] <dreamhawk> rory: sadly not, i can just "add to desktop" and similar
[09:52] <rory> dreamhawk: what ubuntu release is it?
[09:52] <kuberon> seems like dolphin had a problem with it, worked in nautilus
[09:52] <dreamhawk> rory: i should be ashamed but its the latest ubuntu mate 18.04.
[09:52] <kuberon> nevermind ill take files to another PC
[09:53] <rory> why would you be ashamed of ubuntu mate 18.04? MATE is a continuation of the desktop perfection that was achieved in 2008, and was FINE before they started messing around with it!
[09:54] <dreamhawk> rory: cuz i joined #ubuntu when there's probably a ubuntu-mate channel ;D
[09:54] <rory> it's OK, your question isn't specific to mate
[09:54] <dreamhawk> figured that too
[09:54] <rory> anyway, it all comes from ubuntu-mate-desktop package, which has many dependencies https://packages.ubuntu.com/xenial/ubuntu-mate-desktop
[09:55] <rory> at the very least you could uninstall everything that starts with "mate-"
[09:55] <rory> mate-utils mate-power-manager etc
[09:56] <rory> but what you are trying to do overall - be able to switch between MATE and Cinnamon, but not see the other's apps in the menus... you might have to manually remove thing sfrom the menu if it's possible, but I don't think it is
[09:56] <rory> possibly you'll have to live with it until Ubuntu Cinnamon exists :)
[09:56] <Tin__man> dreamhawk, are you wanting them uninstalled or removed from the startup autostart?
[09:57] <dreamhawk> Tin__man: likely removed .. or atleast removed from the start menu
[09:59] <raffaele> ciao
[09:59] <rory> dreamhawk: do you want to switch between MATE and Cinnamon or are you sure you just want to use CInnamon now?
[09:59] <rory> dreamhawk: if you never want to use MATE stuff again, you should just uninstall those packages, probably using Synaptic package manager. You can always install mate-desktop again at a later date
[10:00] <dreamhawk> rory: i like cinnamon so i'd like to remove mate completely.. basically replacing cinnamon with mate
[10:00] <rory> sudo apt-get remove atril atril-common caja caja-common engrampa engrampa-common ffmpegthumbnailer-caja libcaja-extension libmarco libmate libmate-common libmatecanvas libmatecomponent libmatecomponentui libmateconf libmatecorba libmatedesktop libmatekbd libmatekeyring libmatemenu libmatenotify libmatepanelapplet libmatepolkit libmateui libmatevfs libmateweather libmateweather-common marco marco-common
[10:00] <rory> mate-applets mate-applets-common mate-backgrounds mate-conf mate-conf-common mate-control-center mate-corba mate-core mate-desktop mate-desktop-common mate-dialogs mate-icon-theme mate-keyring mate-media mate-menus mate-mime-data mate-panel mate-panel-common mate-polkit mate-power-manager mate-power-manager-common mate-screensaver mate-session-manager mate-settings-daemon mate-settings-daemon-common
[10:00] <rory> mate-settings-daemon-gstreamer mate-system-monitor mate-terminal mate-terminal-common mate-text-editor mate-themes mate-vfs mate-vfs-common mate-window-manager python-mate
[10:00] <rory> oops that was longer than I thought sorry - check here dreamhawk https://askubuntu.com/a/147870/62969
[10:01] <rory> that's quite an old answer though, so there might be more packages nowadays
[10:01] <dreamhawk> does this mess up the sda_crypt prompt ? I ran a long query once and i ended up with "purple ubuntu prompt-ish"...
[10:02] <dreamhawk> yeah that was the query i ran
[10:05] <jeffguorg> you need to make sure at least drivers and x server and dm/wm survive the removal. read the output of apt before you confirm the operation. or better just switch the desktop environment in gdm/lightdm. apt removal can break your desktop environment
[10:09] <dreamhawk> jeffguorg: yeah, i guess im stuck to this atm :)
[10:15] <Saews> Hi, trying to install ubuntu old laptop. Are there particular graphic libraries used? Installation is in loop, options are not presented.
[10:15] <tomeaton17> Hello, I am trying to get teamspeak3-server to work but it errors like this initializing server failed: Error creating HTTP connection factory: PK - Read/write of file failed (com::teamspeak::http:mbedtls:-15872) I had to change the service file to point to my cert file or it error complaining about ca-certificates not being installed. Is this related?
[10:18] <jeffguorg> dreamhawk, there are dependencies between packages whatever distro you use. this means when you remove one package, a crowd of related maybe forced to removed from system. before i have more info about your system and what you did, i assume the 'purple ubuntu prompish' means ubuntu failed to start the dm(gdm or lightdm). use Ctrl Alt + F3 to switch to a tty, login and try systemctl status. see if you can find 'lightdm.service' or 'gdm.service' and see if
[10:18] <jeffguorg> there is anything wrong in /var/log/Xorg.X.log
[10:31] <EriC^^> Saews: did you try booting with "nomodeset" ?
[10:31] <EriC^^> !nomodeset | Saews
[10:31] <Saews> Will try it now.
[10:44] <fa> O_O Privet )) kto iz Rassii?
[10:49] <confluency> !ru | fa
[11:03] <Xethron> I've been having issues with multiple monitors on Ubuntu 18.04. When booting up, everything works fine. However, when locking the system, and the screens turn off, only one screen turns back on.
[11:04] <Xethron> If I unplug the screen thats on, it switches to the other screen again. Unplugging and replugging the screens sometimes gets them both working, or everything goes black and I need to reboot
[11:06] <El_Jochos> were there any problems with the repo-servers in the morning?
[11:06] <Xethron> Dropping to tty enables both screen, or going to tty1 shows both screens. But tty2 only shows one screen or everything black... The mouse generally shows up when its black, and sometimes even both screens will be on and I can see the mouse move, but the entire system seems to have "crashed" as the mouse pointer changes based on what its hovering over. But doing Super+L doesn't seem to lock after it goes black.
[11:07] <Xethron> Has anyone experienced this before? Does anyone know how to fix this? Using Ubuntu 18.04 on a ROG GR8 II
[11:08] <Xethron> Thanks in advance :)
[11:16] <sgl> hi
[11:17] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[11:18] <tomreyn> Xethron: i don't think i will be bale to offer much help there, but if you're hoping to get any, you should specify which graphics card you have and which driver you use (installed how?), whether you upgraded this system from a previous ubuntu release or whether it's a new installation, and whether this issue has always been present or when it started.
[11:19] <tomreyn> (also discuss any non default configuration you have there, such as PPAs or backported software which may be involve din this)
[11:34] <Xethron> tomreyn: This is a fresh install. Haven't used another version of Ubuntu on this machine, so not sure. lspci returns: NVIDIA Corporation GP106 [GeForce GTX 1060 3GB] (rev a1). Under Software & Updates it says I'm using NVIDIA driver metapackage from nvidia-driver-390 (proprietary, tested).
[11:34] <Xethron> Let me try the nouveau driver and restart quickly and see if that changes anything
[11:40] <Xethron> Just realized I can't restart at the moment... But after changing drivers, and changing cables again, it seems to be working again. So will see what happens
[11:46] <tomreyn> it's unlikley that much can be done about the proprietary nvidia drivers if it should turn out they cause it.
[11:53] <u0_a471> hi
[11:56] <Xethron> Thanks tomreyn, will see what happens :)
[12:10] <ElinKattunge> Hi, I've been battling my head with ulimit, last time I had to set it up was in an Ubuntu 16.04 environment, now being set up in an Ubuntu 18.04 environment with no luck so I consulted the man pages to see if anything changed and to my surprise, ulimit is obsoleted. Anyway, I decided to move away from PAM ulimit and explore options such as systemd.resource_control by setting DefaultLimitNPROC=265 in
[12:10] <ElinKattunge> /etc/systemd/user.conf but no luck.
[12:10] <ElinKattunge> Is there a proper "stable & working" way to set user limits?
[12:10] <ElinKattunge> Because Google is now driving me crazy leaving me feeling unlucky.
[12:12] <ElinKattunge> I forgot to mention, I even tried sysconf, however I can't find much documentation on sysconf and systemd in regards to resource control.
[12:14] <ElinKattunge> I basically want to set per-user resource limits, that's not to be configured with per-process resource limits, or per-group resource limits.
[12:18] <tomreyn> ElinKattunge: this doesn't really explain how to limit per user (but per service run by a given user), but contains mappings for ulimit -> systemd: https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/345595/how-to-set-ulimits-on-service-with-systemd
[12:19] <ElinKattunge> hmm
[12:20] <fa> Как в русскую поддержку обратиться
[12:21] <tomreyn> !ru | fa
[12:21] <fa> пришлось системку сносить XD
[12:21] <fa>  /join #ubuntu-ru
[12:23] <ElinKattunge> !en | tomteyn
[12:23] <ElinKattunge> !main
[12:23] <ElinKattunge> Aaah
[12:24] <ElinKattunge> Very handy bot, thanks.
[12:24] <tomreyn> !bot
[12:26] <gasper> #psywerx
[12:36] <h3> hi i am working with lvms, i have created a logical volumes using lvcreate, after that created the filesystem and mounted it.. now if i do lvextend, it says extended but when i do df -h  it doesnt show the increase in number
[12:45] <tomreyn> h3: df operates on file systems, lvextend operates on logical volumes (unless --resizefs is also provided)
[12:46] <tomreyn> and i would recommend against online resizing of both LV and file system if you can prevent it.
[12:47] <BluesKaj> I never muck about with live partitions, better to use a media partitioner like gparted IMO
[12:51] <tallfellow> hi folks!
[12:52] <tallfellow> ubuntu newbie here, i'd like to know how much free disk space i have left on my system, and i can't understand the output of df
[12:52] <rifo> greetings
[12:52] <rifo> you can use --human-readable
[12:53] <tallfellow> thanks rifo, that makes it easier to understand how much space there is
[12:53] <tallfellow> what does the Mounted on column mean?
[12:53] <tallfellow> why are there so many rows???
[12:53] <tallfellow> i only have one disk!
[12:54] <rifo> some are virtual drives, if you only want to show your one disk you can add a path (for instance "df --human-readable ~"
[12:54] <rifo> ~ is your home directory
[12:54] <BluesKaj> tallfellow, still have a windows partition and UEFI, then that's why
[12:55] <rifo> it also shows usb disks etc..
[12:55] <rifo> when automounted (that they usually are)
[12:55] <tallfellow> so the virtual drives are what's confusing
[12:55] <tallfellow> df -h / is what i want
[12:55] <BluesKaj> df -h works too
[12:57] <rifo> i guess -h is the same, i prefer using the long variant so i don't forget later what i am actually using when typing it out of habit xD
[13:00] <tallfellow> thank you BluesKaj rifo
[13:03] <tobra> I have a system with a broken apt. When I run `apt-get -f install` I run into errors because of a full /boot partition. Is there any easy fix? Is the boot partition a logical volume that I could just expand? Details are here: https://paste.debian.net/1032207/
[13:05] <tomreyn> tobra: "export LANG=C" to get english language output (in this temrinal until you close it)
[13:05] <tomreyn> (i can understand it, though)
[13:06] <tobra> After `export LANG=C`the output is still German.
[13:06] <tomreyn> tobra: which kernel are you running right now? cat /proc/version
[13:06] <tobra> Linux version 4.4.0-81-generic (buildd@lgw01-02) (gcc version 5.4.0 20160609 (Ubuntu 5.4.0-6ubuntu1~16.04.4) ) #104-Ubuntu SMP Wed Jun 14 08:17:06 UTC 2017
[13:07] <tomreyn> wow, you didnt upügrade your kernel for 2 years?!
[13:07] <tobra> y
[13:07] <tobra> this machine doesn't get a lot of love
[13:08] <tobra> here’s `df -h` https://paste.debian.net/1032208/
[13:08] <tomreyn> sudo dpkg --purge linux-image-4.4.0-62-generic linux-image-4.4.0-66-generic linux-image-4.4.0-70-generic linux-image-4.4.0-71-generic linux-image-4.4.0-72-generic linux-image-4.4.0-75-generic linux-image-4.4.0-78-generic
[13:08] <tomreyn> this should provide enough space to be able to operate with apt again
[13:08] <tobra> is it safe though?
[13:09] <tomreyn> yes, all you do there is bypass apt to purge kernels you no longe rneed /run
[13:09] <tobra> u sure, I have the newer kernels to fall back to already?
[13:09] <tomreyn> apt will realize the change when you run it next time, possibly offering to remove the headers as well.
[13:10] <tomreyn> the kernel you are running now is not actually installed anymore
[13:10] <tobra> ok
[13:10] <tobra> so I shouldn't be able to reboot, right?
[13:10] <tomreyn> the above command does not remove the two latest kernel images
[13:11] <tomreyn> you are able to reboot both now and after running the abiove command, since you still have more kernel images installed.
[13:11] <tomreyn> that's unless they were not properly installed
[13:11] <tobra> "dpkg: Abhängigkeitsprobleme verhindern Entfernen von linux-image-4.4.0-62-generic:" -- dependency problems prohibit the removal of…
[13:11] <tomreyn> can you show: dpkg -l linux-image\* | nc termbin.com 9999
[13:11] <tobra> (I get the error for all the packages)
[13:12] <tobra> http://termbin.com/h3in
[13:13] <tomreyn> okay then i guess you will need to have to remove one of the kernel images manually
[13:13] <tomreyn> or maybe some more
[13:13] <tobra> can’ŧ I just expand /bbot and have apt take care of things?
[13:14] <tomreyn> sure, if you have unpartitioned space thats an option
[13:14] <tobra> that sounds safer than fiddling manually removing kernels, bc I wouldn't really know what I’m doing ;-)
[13:15] <tomreyn> boot is backed by /dev/sda1, which is a partiton, which means you'd need to rewrite the partition table, though
[13:15] <ppf> how is repartitioning ever safer than fiddling with apt
[13:15] <tomreyn> i wouldn't consider this to be safer than removing an outdated kernel image
[13:15] <rifo> honestly, removing an old kernel image or two sounds way safer to me then to fidle with partitions when you  don't know what you are doing
[13:16] <tobra> ok.
[13:16] <tobra> so how do I manually remove the image?
[13:16] <rifo> if you are unsure you can move it out of boot to for example /root so in case you make really a bad mistake you can recover it with a boot cd
[13:17] <ppf> tobra: apt purge linux-image-4.4.0-62-generic
[13:18] <tomreyn> wont work
[13:18] <ppf> why?
[13:18] <tobra> ppf: https://paste.debian.net/1032213/
[13:18] <tomreyn> we tried dpkg --purge aready
[13:18] <ppf> (skimmed the convo only)
[13:18] <ppf> ah my bad
[13:19] <tomreyn> rm /boot/vmlinuz-4.4.0-6?-generic
[13:19] <ppf> apt purget linux-image-4.4.0-66-generic
[13:19] <ppf> ^et^e
[13:19] <tobra> ppf: similar result
[13:20] <tomreyn> neither apt or dpkg will work in this situation, it will just keep returning "unmatched dependencies"
[13:20] <ppf> tomreyn's command then :)
[13:20] <tobra> ok
[13:20] <tobra> and then apt -f install?
[13:21] <ppf> ya
[13:21] <tomreyn> tobra: i'd do the "dpkg --purge" first
[13:21] <rifo> he already tried that
[13:22] <tobra> https://paste.debian.net/1032214/
[13:22] <tomreyn> so my suggestion is: sudo rm /boot/vmlinuz-4.4.0-6?-generic; sudo dpkg --purge linux-image-4.4.0-62-generic linux-image-4.4.0-66-generic linux-image-4.4.0-70-generic linux-image-4.4.0-71-generic linux-image-4.4.0-72-generic linux-image-4.4.0-75-generic linux-image-4.4.0-78-generic; sudo apt -f install; sudo apt update; sudo apt -f install
[13:23] <tobra> tomreyn y… did that but tha last 2 in reverse order.
[13:23] <tomreyn> right, and this stuffed /boot again
[13:23] <tobra> maybe apt-get filled up /boot again and I have to delete some mere?
[13:23] <tomreyn> now you need to remove more kernel images manually
[13:23] <tobra> y…
[13:23] <tomreyn> correct
[13:24] <tobra> so the *.7?-generic’s now?
[13:24] <tomreyn> right: sudo rm /boot/vmlinuz-4.4.0-7?-generic
[13:25] <tomreyn> then: sudo dpkg --purge linux-image-4.4.0-62-generic linux-image-4.4.0-66-generic linux-image-4.4.0-70-generic linux-image-4.4.0-71-generic linux-image-4.4.0-72-generic linux-image-4.4.0-75-generic linux-image-4.4.0-78-generic; sudo apt -f install; sudo apt update; sudo apt -f install
[13:25] <tomreyn> and then you'll need to apt upgrade && apt full-upgrade
[13:25] <tobra> https://paste.debian.net/1032215/
[13:26] <ppf> that's a 30G disk?
[13:26] <ppf> wow
[13:27] <tobra> ppf: it’ſ a VM
[13:27] <rifo> try to remove the -extra first
[13:28] <ppf> why didn't you say so
[13:28] <ppf> just make a backup and repartition
[13:28] <tobra> well, I suggested repartitioning ;-).
[13:28] <tomreyn> actually we should remove the initrd's, too, they are the largest
[13:29] <tobra> so `rm initrd.img-4.4.0-6?-generic initrd.img-4.4.0-7?-generic` ?
[13:29] <tomreyn> right
[13:29] <rifo> try this: sudo dpkg --purge linux-image-extra-4.4.0-66-generic linux-image-4.4.0-66-generic
[13:30] <tomreyn> tobra: in /boot, that is
[13:30] <ppf> repartitioning is dangerous unless you can actually cp your disk to somplace save
[13:30] <rifo> it couldn't remove the images since the extra packages are installed too and depend on it
[13:30] <rifo> (goot thing i can speak german)
[13:31] <tobra> tomreyn and now?
[13:31] <rifo> *-t+d (but obviously i can't type english)
[13:31] <tomreyn> tobra: once you run rm against the initrd's you'll be able to run apt -f install
[13:31] <tomreyn> tobra: i dont think it will run full this time
[13:32] <tobra> after rm, I had `/dev/sda1                    472M    134M  314M   30% /boot`
[13:32] <tomreyn> tobra: after apt -f install succeeds, run sudo apt purge linux-image-4.4.0-62-generic linux-image-4.4.0-66-generic linux-image-4.4.0-70-generic linux-image-4.4.0-71-generic linux-image-4.4.0-72-generic linux-image-4.4.0-75-generic linux-image-4.4.0-78-generic
[13:33] <tomreyn> then: sudo apt -f install; sudo apt update; sudo apt -f install   # and then you'll need to apt upgrade && apt full-upgrade
[13:33] <rifo> the purge command earlier complained that the linux-image-extra-* packages depend on the linux-image-
[13:33] <rifo> that he was trying to purge
[13:33] <tobra> I think, it ran full again, bc it regenerated the deleted images.
[13:33] <tomreyn> shouldnt be an issue when using apt rather than dpkg
[13:33] <tobra> https://paste.debian.net/1032218/
[13:34] <tobra> yep… the old images are back: v
[13:34] <tobra> https://paste.debian.net/1032219/
[13:35] <tomreyn> can we see: sudo ls -lh /boot
[13:35] <rifo> try this: sudo dpkg --purge linux-image-extra-4.4.0-66-generic linux-image-4.4.0-66-generic
[13:35] <tobra> https://paste.debian.net/1032220/
[13:35] <rifo> and see if there are any other dependency complains
[13:36] <tobra> rifo I think that one ran through…
[13:36] <justQuestions> hi@ll, if you try to connect to a server via ssh .... first time there promt a message with the hostKey(protection against spoofing). (i know, that there are sometimes more than just one.) where can i find this hostKey? and how is it possible to set your own hostKey to the server?
[13:36] <tobra> https://paste.debian.net/1032221/
[13:36] <crandon> Hi, I have an intel 8265 ac wifi interface in my laptop. I can create additional wifi interfaces (ie another station mode interface), but only 1 can be up at on time, so effectively I can't have more than one interface working at the same time. Do you know how it can be figured out if the card support this at all and if so what needs to be configured SW wise to make this possible?
[13:36] <rifo> good =) then remove some others too (same with 62 70 71 )
[13:38] <rifo> that should give you more space then (hopefully) =)
[13:38] <BluesKaj> crandon, one wifi chip = one wifi interface, that's it afaik.
[13:39] <tobra> rifo yep: https://paste.debian.net/1032222/
[13:39] <tobra> and then I retry `apt -f install`?
[13:39] <rifo> yep =)
[13:40] <tomreyn> justQuestions: on the server, you find the keys at /etc/ssh/sshd_*_key ; a hash of the hostkey is stored on the client in ~/.ssh/known_hosts
[13:41] <tomreyn> justQuestions: you can generate other keys for the respective encryption schemes and place them there on the server, which should work as long as opensshd can handle them.
[13:41] <tobra> I think that worked this time
[13:41] <tobra> still 31M left on /boot
[13:42] <tomreyn> justQuestions: it's also a good way to lock yourself out, if ssh is your only means of access.
[13:42] <rifo> good =) you should still remove the old kernels after this, to avoid it running full again
[13:42] <tobra> y… how?
[13:42] <tobra> `sudo dpkg --purge linux-image-4.4.0-62-generic linux-image-4.4.0-66-generic linux-image-4.4.0-70-generic linux-image-4.4.0-71-generic linux-image-4.4.0-72-generic linux-image-4.4.0-75-generic linux-image-4.4.0-78-generic` ?
[13:43] <rifo> try first : (if that removes any olds):  apt autoremove
[13:44] <tobra> does this look ok? https://paste.debian.net/1032223/
[13:44] <crandon> BluesKaj: At least with atheros this seem to be possible (https://superuser.com/questions/592714/is-it-possible-to-add-2-interfaces-to-my-wireless-nic-to-run-as-a-wireless-mesh). You can create ie 2 interfaces and use one as an AP the other as a station/mesh mode interface.
[13:44] <tobra> removes up to `linux-image-extra-4.4.0-87-generic`.
[13:44] <rifo> if you current one is not one of them yet (forgot what version you are running)
[13:45] <rifo> -yet +yes
[13:45] <tobra> admin@ubuntu:~$ cat /proc/version
[13:45] <tobra> Linux version 4.4.0-81-generic (buildd@lgw01-02) (gcc version 5.4.0 20160609 (Ubuntu 5.4.0-6ubuntu1~16.04.4) ) #104-Ubuntu SMP Wed Jun 14 08:17:06 UTC 2017
[13:45] <crandon> BluesKaj: I'm quite sure this is not possible with all network cards, but I don't know how to figure out if this should work with mine and if so how to configure it (they way they do it on the above link is also how i tried, but when I try to scan the new interface it sais it's down, and when I try to bring it up it sais: device or resource busy until I bring the original iface down
[13:45] <tobra> looks like *.81 is not on that list
[13:46] <rifo> uname --kernal-release <-- for current
[13:46] <rifo> *kernel
[13:46] <tobra> admin@ubuntu:~$ uname --kernel-release
[13:46] <tobra> 4.4.0-81-generic
[13:46] <tobra> same result
[13:46] <rifo> =) then yes, by all means its ok
[13:46] <justQuestions> @tomreyn: thx. i am using kitty, i know the storage place there, too. ssh would be the only way of access to this server.
[13:47] <tomreyn> justQuestions: what's the purpose of replacing the servers' ssh host keys?
[13:47] <tobra> yep… ~300M not on /boot
[13:48] <BluesKaj> crandon, well, I'm not familiar with that setup since most of my wifi chips have been BCMs..that's the first I've herad of such a setup
[13:48] <tobra> *now
[13:48] <rifo> nice =)
[13:49] <tobra> yep… looks like i can use apt again.
[13:49] <tomreyn> tobara: as a reminder: <tomreyn> then: sudo apt -f install; sudo apt update; sudo apt -f install   # and then you'll need to apt upgrade && apt full-upgrade
[13:49] <rifo> <- prefers aptitude by the way, well just a matter of taste in my opinion ;D
[13:49] <tomreyn> *tobra
[13:50] <rifo> well i am off, gotta go =o
[13:50] <rifo> got luck on your further "adventure" =)
[13:50] <tobra> bye and thx.
[13:50] <crandon> BluesKaj: https://wireless.wiki.kernel.org/en/users/Documentation/iw/vif
[13:51] <justQuestions> @tomreyn: the idea is just that i store one hostKey for this server and i am able to connect to the server for the first time secure from spoofing.
[13:52] <crandon> BluesKaj: so now I'm 100% this is possible with some interfaces, the only question is if the intel 8265 supports it which I still couldn't figure out.
[13:54] <justQuestions> @tomreyn: openSSH is using openSSL, is there an easy way to change to libreSSL?
[13:54] <tomreyn> justQuestions: it would be better to update your client based on the servers' host key than fixing the host keys on the server. you want to be able to rollover those host keys quickly when needed.
[13:56] <qwebirc46642> Have problems with sso, one accounts.
[13:56] <tomreyn> justQuestions: you'd need to rebuild it
[13:58] <justQuestions> @tomreyn: but than is the first connection not secure, if i dont know the hostKey .... and in case of doubt i gave an attacker access to my maschine. :(
[13:59] <tomreyn> justQuestions: right, you need to make the clients aware of the host key before they connect for the first time. a bit of a hen and egg problem.
[14:01] <tomreyn> justQuestions: i dont know which deployment mechanisms you (don't) have in place there, so it's difficult to suggest a solution which fits your needs while not impacting security.
[14:08] <justQuestions> @tomreyn: sure: hen and egg.
[14:15] <yorwos> When i want to cleanup my system i format all my partitions except /home from live-cd installation, use same username pwd and then reinstall any programs. Can i do this without experiencing problems to install 18.04 instead of my 16.04 ? Or should i do something like dist upgrade to get home sorted out for 18.04 and format all but /home afterwards? my inst media is ubuntu studio 16.04.2 (i am downloading 16.04.4 now though)
[14:18] <xubuntu-1804> ! 18.04.2
[14:18] <xubuntu-1804> !
[14:18] <leftyfb> xubuntu-1804: can we help you with something?
[14:19] <yorwos> 18.04 yea
 I'm trying to remenber the bot commands to request the date of the next 18.04 relase tnks
[14:21] <leftyfb> xubuntu-1804: 18.04.1 will be released later this month. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BionicBeaver/ReleaseSchedule
[14:21] <leftyfb> xubuntu-1804: 18.04.2 has no schedule as of yet
[14:21] <yorwos> can i format my 16.04 partitions to install 18.04 fresh but without formatting /home ?
[14:22] <yorwos> or can it lead to problems ?
[14:22] <xubuntu-1804> tnks <leftyfb> 18.04.1 was what I was after
[14:28] <sanroot> Any way to backup all installed packages
[14:28] <xubuntu-1804> ! clamav
[14:29] <xubuntu-1804> ! rkhunter
[14:30] <pragmaticenigma> !test > ubottu
[14:31] <pragmaticenigma> sanroot: Can you explain why you would like to backup installed packages?
[14:31] <qwebirc46642> Where can i find Ubuntu One support?
[14:31] <pragmaticenigma> sanroot: There are several options
[14:32] <sanroot> [20:01]  pragmaticenigma: my linux just got crashed ....i chrooted via live boot and want to recover
[14:32] <xubuntu-1804> !help
[14:32] <danmacka1> /!\ ATTN: For any questions PM ajvpot he is the Official support contact /!\
[14:32] <pragmaticenigma> !pm | danmacka1
[14:33] <pragmaticenigma> danmacka1: It is discoraged for people seeking help to PM each other. All messages should take place within the main channel
[14:34] <pragmaticenigma> sanroot: It sounds like your seeking a list of the installed packages, rather than a back up... would that be more appropriate?
[14:35] <sanroot> [20:01]  pragmaticenigma: no i would like to backup all installed package via chroot ,then reinstall linux again and restore those packages
[14:35] <pragmaticenigma> sanroot: That will not work
[14:35] <holywater> hi, does ubuntu load the settings in /etc/X11/xorg.conf automatically?
[14:35] <sanroot> [20:01]  pragmaticenigma: Can you elabrorate ?pls
[14:36] <holywater> the file does not exist, hence the question
[14:36] <lotuspsychje> holywater: can you explain the whole story please? ubuntu version? what are you trying to do?
[14:36] <pragmaticenigma> sanroot: applications save their configuration files, binaries, supporting libraries, etc. in a large number of different locations. You are best to use the package installer and reinstall each program from the package repos
[14:37] <holywater> lotuspsychje: trying to set refresh rate and resolution for a computer that uses openchrome driver
[14:37] <holywater> it is possible to configure that using lxrandr, lubuntu 18.04 lts
[14:37] <sanroot> [20:01]  pragmaticenigma:OK then how I can get all installed package names ...so I can automate installation
[14:37] <pragmaticenigma> sanroot: beyond that, there are configuration files that Ubuntu uses to list all of your applications in launchers and system file paths. Finally, manual installation mean apt will not be able to automatically update those applications anymore since it will not be aware of there installation
[14:37] <holywater> but lxrandr is not persistent, the settings are reset upon reboot
[14:38] <pragmaticenigma> sanroot: looking that up now... Not sure if dpkg or apt will list the installed packages from the system when booted from live/recovery disk
[14:38] <haasn> Why is nfs-common.service masked in Ubuntu 18.04? (The nfs-common package installs a hard symlink to /dev/null in /lib/systemd/system/nfs-common.service) Unless I unmask this service file, I can no longer mount NFS filesystems via fstab...
[14:39] <haasn> In general it seems like NFS got severely broken in Ubuntu 18.04, worryingly seemingly overnight. (It used to work fine, maybe some update was recently distributed?)
[14:39] <pragmaticenigma> qwebirc46642: You can join #ubuntuone for Ubuntu One specific support
[14:40] <holywater> lotuspsychje: the resolution is 1366x768 @ 59.79Hz, there is also a thread that addresses this https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1749564
[14:40] <lotuspsychje> holywater: didnt test lxrandr myself yet, perhaps the #lubuntu guys might know that
[14:40] <sanroot> [20:01]  pragmaticenigma:thanks ..
[14:40] <lotuspsychje> !info arandr | holywater see also
[14:42] <pragmaticenigma> sanroot: This forum thread appears to have a solution for you. It explains what files to look for and has suggestions on how to generate a list https://askubuntu.com/a/724915
[14:42] <holywater> lotuspsychje: i will check it out, thank you very much!
[14:44] <lotuspsychje> holywater: does lubuntu not have a resolution settings somewhere to edit?
[14:47] <lotuspsychje> holywater: or perhaps scaling options..if you cant find perhaps dconf-editor can also help tweaking
[14:57] <haasn> Also rpc-gssd, rpc-svcgssd, nfs-mountd and nfs-server take forever to load and eventually time out
[14:57] <haasn> Making the boot process take minutes
[14:57] <haasn> This happens even if I remove all NFS services from /etc/fstab
[14:57] <haasn> s/services/filesystems/
[15:03] <pavlos> haasn: are you on wired or wifi connection?
[15:03] <haasn> Wired
[15:03] <mryu> hello
[15:04] <lotuspsychje> mryu: welcome to ubuntu support, how can we help you?
[15:06] <pavlos> haasn: can you paste the one line, systemd-analyze or pastebin systemd-analyze blame
[15:14] <haasn> pavlos: systemd-analyze: https://0x0.st/spRb.txt  systemd-analyze blame: https://0x0.st/spRc.txt
[15:14] <haasn> systemd-analyze critical-chain: https://0x0.st/spRT.txt
[15:14] <paulbarker> Hi, I'm trying to bring up a bridge without any external interfaces (for containers to use) on Ubuntu 18.04, is this a good place to ask for help?
[15:15] <compdoc> paulbarker, try it
[15:17] <paulbarker> I have the following in /etc/netplan/01-netcfg.yaml: https://pastebin.com/0S9hqZ95
[15:17] <paulbarker> After running `netplan generate && netplan apply` and looking at the ouput of `ip addr` I have a new lxdbr0 interface but it's not fully up
[15:18] <paulbarker> https://pastebin.com/mGXQZ2Pm
[15:18] <paulbarker> The IP address is not being assigned to the bridge and it's being shown as "NO-CARRIER"
[15:19] <paulbarker> I've done some googling but can't find much info on how to set up an "isolated", "private" or "internal" bridge (those are the terms I've searched for as that's what I'd call it)
[15:21] <haasn> pavlos: Incidentally, I have another 18.04 LTS machine, with the exact same configuration, where it works
[15:21] <haasn> (That one was installed a bit longer ago - possibly something changed in the meantime?)
[15:24] <hfp> If I am building a new ZFS pool on an existing system, does it matter whether I use MBR or GPT? (blackflow you there?)
[15:25] <haasn> hfp: Usually you give ZFS the entire disk, without even partitioning it
[15:25] <haasn> But typically there's no reason to ever prefer MBR over GPT except if you're using 10-20 year old hardware
[15:26] <haasn> and/or software
[15:26] <blackflow> hfp: it doesn't. if you give it entire disk, it will implicitly partition it with GPT
[15:26] <blackflow> partitioning is better than full disk tho'
[15:27] <pavlos> haasn: does rpc-gssd.service run on the nfs client computer?
[15:29] <haasn> pavlos: I'm not sure if I understand your question, but rpc-gssd is required for NFS clients, yes. https://0x0.st/spRu.txt working example, https://0x0.st/spRQ.txt not working example
[15:29] <honor600> hi
[15:29] <hfp> ok so this command: `# sgdisk     -n3:1M:+512M -t3:EF00 /dev/disk/by-id/scsi-SATA_disk1` is unnecessary, this is only for rootfs, right?
[15:29] <hfp> From here: https://github.com/zfsonlinux/zfs/wiki/Ubuntu-18.04-Root-on-ZFS step 2.2
[15:30] <hfp> 2.2a is the only one I want, it will use the whole disk to make a zfs partition
[15:30] <blackflow> hfp: EF00 is the ESP, which of course you don't need if you don't plan to boot via EFI from that disk
[15:31] <blackflow> hfp: partition the disk yourself, because if you don't, ZFS will do it for you, so you have better control. Make it somewhat smaller than the entire disk so you don't lock yourself into exact sector number size in case you need to replace the drive
[15:34] <hfp> blackflow: ok, thank you
[15:52] <haasn> Also is there a way to get a newer version of zfs on ubuntu 16.04 LTS?
[15:53] <haasn> The version it has is so ancient, and upstream is refusing to provide support for problems that seem to have manifested themselves (with some ubuntu update) because it's ancient
[15:54] <lotuspsychje> !latest | haasn
[15:54] <haasn> I think there's a PPA https://launchpad.net/~jonathonf/+archive/ubuntu/zfs
[15:54] <haasn> "stability" :p
[15:55] <blackflow> haasn: in 16.04, ZFS is still DKMS amirite?
[15:55] <pragmaticenigma> be careful with 3rd party PPAs, as they may include packages and libraries not compatibile with other components in your system. Especially when it comes to kernel drivers like ZFS
[15:55] <lotuspsychje> +1 pragmaticenigma
[15:57] <pragmaticenigma> Also, 16.04 LTS - ZFS appears to be DKMS
[15:57] <pragmaticenigma> https://packages.ubuntu.com/xenial/zfsutils-linux
[15:58] <Keres> hello
[15:59] <Keres> i love the new 18.04 with Gnome
[15:59] <Keres> i set it up here for my pops because his windows laptop kept crudding out
[15:59] <Keres> everything works great out of the box
[15:59] <Keres> there is one little issue tho
[16:00] <Keres> he watches alot of movies and radios
[16:00] <Keres> so the volume knob is hard to see for him
[16:00] <Keres> is there an alsa volume panel with skins that i could enhance to make bigger??
[16:02] <lotuspsychje> !info pavucontrol | Keres could this help you?
[16:02] <blackflow> Keres: why not a multimedia keyboard?
[16:03] <lotuspsychje> Keres: there is also gnome scaling options, to make things bigger?
[16:03] <Keres> they actually make a single BIG GIANT midi controller knob
[16:03] <Keres> could you link it directly to the master volume of alsa?
[16:03] <Keres> it is USB
[16:04] <ash_worksi> what's a good channel for someone to school me in e2e testing?
[16:05] <blackflow> Keres: you don't even need MIDI. there are keyboards with large mm keys
[16:05] <Keres> yeah, this laptop actually has one
[16:05] <pragmaticenigma> ash_worksi: This channel is designed and best suited for Ubuntu Support. Your question may receive better attention and answers from #ubuntu-offtopic or #linux
[16:06] <Keres> problem is that he is old and he can't really see too well
[16:06] <ash_worksi> pragmaticenigma: thanks
[16:07] <Keres> maybee i should just learn to make one https://gist.github.com/wolfg1969/3575700
[16:07] <pragmaticenigma> Keres: I think the best option would be to get a keyboard with multimedia buttons that can be pressed. Putting brightly colored stickers near the buttons will help them find it. It will also be less prone to developer changes down the road, changing of interfaces
[16:08] <Lope> I've expanded my LVM volume where my mounted root filesystem is. Now I tried resize2fs but it complains that it's in use.  Can I -f (force) or is that suicide?
[16:09] <pragmaticenigma> Lope: wouldn't recommend forcing
[16:09] <Lope> well, how am I supposed to do an online resize?
[16:10] <leftyfb> Lope: you boot with a live cd
[16:10] <leftyfb> you don't do it "online"
[16:10] <Lope> leftyfb, YOLO?
[16:10] <leftyfb> sorry, I don't speak Millennial
[16:11] <Lope> you only live once
[16:12] <pragmaticenigma> Lope: There is a reason that you came here seeking help. That reason being that you were uncertain of the consequences of a decission... you have had two people tell you it's not a probably a good idea and offer the proper solution.
[16:12] <leftyfb> Lope: If you don't care about the data, then sure, feel free to live dangerously
[16:17] <dh46> why do we use /etc/hosts file, what could be the use case for this
[16:17] <blackflow> dh46: the hosts(5) manpage has a "Historical notes" section that explains that.
[16:18] <compdoc> when you need a quick/dirty way to assign a name to an ip address
[16:19] <dh46> compdoc: normally we assing a CNAME through some dns service right?
[16:20] <Lope> leftyfb, pragmaticenigma, I realized why it was complaining. root is on luks. So I just added another 1G with lvextend with -r and it took care of everything.
[16:21] <blackflow> dh46: "normally" only if CNAME record is needed for something.
[16:24] <pragmaticenigma> dh46: A decent, summarized explination: https://superuser.com/a/494479
[16:44] <hfp> With zfs, can I create a dataset out of an existing and populated directory? It won't overwrite it or anything right?
[16:46] <pragmaticenigma> what kind of data set are you thinking of?
[16:52] <blackflow> hfp: nope
[16:52] <blackflow> pragmaticenigma: the ZFS dataset. it's a ZFS term ;)
[17:04] <Mina> Hola
[17:06] <acacio> hola
[17:08] <pragmaticenigma> !es
[17:09] <acacio> pragmaticenigma,  los e ya estoy en ubuntu-es antes de entrar aca gracias
[17:12] <pragmaticenigma> acacio: Por favor habla inglés aquí. I know very little Spanish, and the room's primary language is English. Thank you for understanding.
[17:14] <acacio> pragmaticenigma,  ok man
[17:38] <sere> is ubuntu or ubuntu touch fully compatable on any phone.. was thinking about getting a new one but not sure
[17:39] <Bashing-om> !touch | sere
[17:40] <luxio> I thought canonical stopped working on that
[17:41] <sere> luxio, thats what i keep reading but was hoping maybe native ubuntu or touch was brought back to life
[17:42] <Guest61> hello
[17:42] <Guest61> is there a place to ask questions about ubuntu?
[17:43] <Guest61> this*
[17:43] <Bashing-om> sere: Ubports is alive and well .. there will be ubuntu phones. releated articles in back issues of the Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter .
[17:44] <Bashing-om> !ask | Guest61
[17:45] <Guest61> alright so i'm trying to start a terminal at system boot time run a command and then keep that terminal open and the command still running once GNOME starts, how would i go about doing that.
[17:47] <hfp> Can anyone recommend a decent SATA <> USB3 dock they use with Linux to operate on drives from other machines easily? I have a JMicron based SATA <> USB3 thingy but I don't trust it, it only comes up half of the time and corrupts hard drives.
[17:47] <psichas> https://ibb.co/cWxYsJ what's good alternative for gthumb? ... i dont want it, but someone should open picture cd...
[17:47] <ibr2> hey guys, im struggling wiht (W: GPG error: http://ppa.launchpad.net/tualatrix/ppa/ubuntu trusty Release: The following signatures were invalid)
[17:49] <Bashing-om> Guest61: after the command ' & disown ' will run the command in the background and detatch from the terminal to allow the continued use of that terminal .
[17:49] <luxio> Guest61: Startup Applications > Add > gnome-terminal -- sh -c "sleep 1; exec bash"
[17:49] <regrettably> Hey y'all, I'm running ubuntu 18.04 on a dell XPS13 and having a bit of a weird issue -- when I tab from Hyper to Vscode, my screen brightness randomly increases. Even the desktop background becomes more prominent. Any idea what could be causing it?
[17:54] <ibr2> hello guys
[17:55] <ibr2> W: GPG error: http://ppa.launchpad.net/tualatrix/ppa/ubuntu trusty Release: The following signatures were invalid:
[17:55] <ibr2> i get this error every time i r run apt-get update
[17:57] <ibr2> heeeey
[17:57] <pragmaticenigma> regrettably: Is one application have more white or lightly colored than the other application?
[17:57] <Zarthus> How do I disable the "MOTD" section that is one big advertisement in 1804. It's not in /etc/update-motd.d. (* Meet microk8s, a single-package, single-node K8s for developers and smart connected IoT devices. Much in teeny package.- http://bit.ly/microk8s)
[17:58] <pragmaticenigma> !patience | ibr2
[17:58] <regrettably> pragmaticenigma: well, if I tab from VSCode (which is dark) to the browser (which is bright white) it STILL dims. It just seems like vscode in particular makes the screen brighter for some reason
[17:59] <Guest61> thanks luxio thats exactly what i was trying to do :)
[17:59] <Bashing-om> ibr2: Show us in a pastebin the command and the result . We can verify the signing key :)
[18:00] <pragmaticenigma> regrettably: Some graphics cards, systems are setup to dynamically change the brightness of the screen based on what is being displayed. You can check the BIOS to see if there is a setting there, depending on the graphics card and your installation of 3rd party drivers, the driver control panel might also have a setting
[18:00] <luxio> Guest61: and of course replace "sleep 1" with your commands
[18:00] <pragmaticenigma> Zarthus: Can you pastebin an example?
[18:01] <regrettably> pragmaticenigma: cool, thanks -- i'll take a look
[18:01] <Guest61> don't worry i already did :P   its all working now
[18:01] <pragmaticenigma> regrettably: also, if it is a desktop monitor, the monitor itself my have a dynamica brightness feature, check the menus too
[18:01] <Guest61> well mostly but thats a different issue
[18:02] <sere> Bashing-om, perfect.. thank you
[18:03] <Guest61> i swear irc is like the treasure trove of crazy smart people
[18:03] <luxio> Guest61: if it makes you feel any better, i just googled it. lol https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/373186/open-gnome-terminal-window-and-execute-2-commands
[18:03] <Zarthus> pragmaticenigma: Yes, one moment.
[18:04] <Bashing-om> sere: :) .. Think I read where they are available now in pre-release for testing .
[18:04] <Guest61> i got referred to some crazy x11 windows thing
[18:04] <Guest61> so i was barking up the wrong tree
[18:04] <Zarthus> pragmaticenigma: https://gist.github.com/Zarthus/0aa5b8c702b34fa22844c7bfc11bd6ba
[18:04] <Zarthus> Lines 16-18.
[18:05] <Zarthus> It could be that my vendor (hetzner) modified this too.
[18:05] <Zarthus> but I don't believe so because the link that it forwards to suggests (very mildly) the utm_campaign comes from ubuntu
[18:08] <paulbarker> Zarthus: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14662481
[18:08] <paulbarker> I remember thinking WTF when I read the discussion back then
[18:09] <T4P4N> Hello1
[18:10] <Zarthus> oh man, that's just really not what I would expect to have in "news" :)
[18:10] <T4P4N> Hello!
[18:10] <Zarthus> but you're right, https://motd.ubuntu.com returns this text.
[18:10] <Zarthus> I hope at some point someone gains control over it and puts some ascii goatse in there, y'know.
[18:10] <sere> Bashing-om, i thought the whole project was dead but it seems nexus 5 and others are still fully compatible and for under 100$ you cant beat it.. thanks again :)
[18:11] <sere> Bashing-om, owning a ubuntu phone is on my bucket list haha
[18:12] <ibr2> guys i need help with this
[18:12] <ibr2> GPG error: http://ppa.launchpad.net/tualatrix/ppa/ubuntu trusty Release: The following signatures were invalid
[18:12] <Zarthus> thanks paulbarker, pragmaticenigma: I've removed it.
[18:12] <Guest57880> Hello, I'm first to here.
[18:12] <T4P4N> @sere termux ubuntu is good choice for cli lover
[18:14] <leftyfb> ibr2: contact the PPA owner. If the key is invalid, there's nothing you can do. Remove the PPA
[18:14] <leftyfb> Guest57880: what is your ubuntu support question?
[18:15] <Guest57880> Is everyone playing with raspberry Pi??
[18:15] <sere> T4P4N, ive only used it a few times and dont know to much about it.. i will check it out. i love cli. thank you :)
[18:15] <leftyfb> Guest57880: that's not an ubuntu support question. Feel free to conduct your survey in raspberrypi
[18:16] <Guest57880> Help!!!
[18:16] <Guest57880> Help!!!
[18:16] <Guest57880> Help!!!
[18:16] <leftyfb> Guest57880: please stop
[18:16] <Guest57880> OK,OK
[18:16] <Guest57880> I'm first to here.
[18:17] <leftyfb> Guest57880: This is a support channel for Ubuntu. If you do not have a support question, feel free to join #ubuntu-offtopic
[18:17] <leftyfb> Guest57880: please do not PM me
[18:18] <Guest57880> OK.Thanks.
[18:21] <leftyfb> ibr2: please do not PM me
[18:21] <ibr2> leftyfb, i already did.
[18:21] <leftyfb> ibr2: if you have a support question, ask it here
[18:23] <JFox762> Im having trouble doing a release update to 18.04
[18:23] <lotuspsychje> JFox762: from wich version?
[18:23] <JFox762> 17.10
[18:23] <Guest57880> Who told me how to play this?
[18:24] <Guest57880> 16.02
[18:24] <JFox762> https://itsfoss.com/upgrade-ubuntu-version/
[18:24] <lotuspsychje> Guest57880: stop that please
[18:25] <Guest57880> Do you have any from the USA
[18:25] <JFox762> that is hte instructions I used
[18:25] <lotuspsychje> !ops | Guest57880 does not understand offtopic
[18:26] <lotuspsychje> !upgrade | JFox762 start here
[18:26] <genii> Guest57880: This channel is for Ubuntu support. To discuss other matters please use #ubuntu-offtopic or #ubuntu-discuss
[18:26] <JFox762> https://pastebin.com/8m3j2Mfa
[18:26] <JFox762> that is my output
[18:26] <lotuspsychje> lets have a look JFox762
[18:27] <Guest57880> Do you have any from the USA?
[18:28] <lotuspsychje> JFox762: you still have zesty repos in your sources, zesty is end of life
[18:28] <JFox762> ok
[18:28] <lotuspsychje> JFox762: can you delete it from your software & sources?
[18:28] <JFox762> maybe?
[18:29] <JFox762> i hope it wont break my PacketTracer application :/
[18:29] <JFox762> I remember having to download some hard to find dependencies for it
[18:29] <lotuspsychje> JFox762: we also dont support external ppa's, hence why apt is warning you it disabled them
[18:29] <JFox762> (PacketTracer is a simulator for CISCO topologies... not a Packet Sniffer)
[18:29] <lotuspsychje> JFox762: so proceeding to your upgrade, will disable all ppa's and the software for it
[18:30] <JFox762> k
[18:30] <JFox762> ok
[18:30] <lotuspsychje> !ppa | JFox762
[18:30] <JFox762> so what do i do?
[18:30] <lotuspsychje> JFox762: so before proceeding, its wise to backup your data
[18:31] <pragmaticenigma> JFox762: typically, a recommended practice for when you need to use 3rd party PPAs is to set up a virtualize machined (using something like VMWare or vitualbox) that way the application can live in an evnironment without affecting your primary machine
[18:32] <JFox762> Yea... but...
[18:32] <pragmaticenigma> JFox762: also, support for applications that aren't included from the standard set of Ubuntu PPAs, is to contact the developer or maintainer of the software for support. The members of this channel are limited in resources on how to look up information
[18:32] <JFox762> Performance suffers greatly
[18:32] <JFox762> when you run things in a vm
[18:32] <lotuspsychje> JFox762: we advise you to use software from the official ubuntu repos too
[18:32] <pragmaticenigma> JFox762: Then use a separate dedicated machine
[18:32] <JFox762> I can't
[18:33] <JFox762> There are things I need to do that simply arent available in ubuntu
[18:33] <JFox762> like packettracer
[18:33] <JFox762> and gns3
[18:33] <lotuspsychje> JFox762: we understand that, but still we cant support them here
[18:33] <JFox762> that is fine
[18:34] <lotuspsychje> JFox762: we can only help you with the vanilla ubuntu way
[18:34] <JFox762> well i want to do the dist upgrade anyway
[18:34] <lotuspsychje> JFox762: meaning, helping you reach a nice clean ubuntu system
[18:34] <JFox762> and figure out how to install packettracer after the fact
[18:34] <JFox762> it was a mistake to go with 17.10, since it wasnt lts
[18:34] <lotuspsychje> JFox762: ok good, delete that zesty repo and apt might proceed upgrade
[18:35] <JFox762> how do i do that?
[18:35] <JFox762> also
[18:35] <JFox762> how do i know what applicaitons will be affected?
[18:35] <pragmaticenigma> JFox762: Then you best course of action is to install 16.04 or 18.04 fresh. Since you are starting with a non-LTS release, you will be prompted to update each time a new release comes out
[18:35] <lotuspsychje> !sources | JFox762 are here
[18:36] <JFox762> i just did a backup
[18:36] <JFox762> but it says it could not backup the following file
[18:36] <pragmaticenigma> JFox762: or another way to think of it, starting with non-LTS means you will stay in the non-LTS update channels
[18:36] <JFox762> /home/jack/.dbus/session-bus
[18:36] <pragmaticenigma> JFox762: You cannot back up your home folder while you are logged in as that user
[18:37] <pragmaticenigma> JFox762: at least not with the cp/rsync command
[18:37] <lotuspsychje> JFox762: after you wiped zesty repo, sudo apt update and then re-try your upgrade
[18:38] <JFox762> is the data already downloaded?
[18:38] <lotuspsychje> JFox762: wich data?
[18:39] <pragmaticenigma> JFox762: Your sentance has an ambiguous subject, please ask with details
[18:39] <JFox762> LOL I meant the upgrade data... for hte distribution
[18:40] <JFox762> In other words...
[18:40] <JFox762> I'm on a limited data plan currently
[18:40] <JFox762> I dont want to use up data, if it hasn't downloaded everything
[18:40] <lotuspsychje> JFox762: no, in your output upgrade did not proceed by the zesty repo is dead
[18:40] <pragmaticenigma> JFox762: No, when you see the prompt for the upgrade, it has not pre-downloaded anything. The software updater has only checked a status that triggers the message
[18:40] <JFox762> so... if i proceed with the upgrade... it will proceed to download the distribution upgrade
[18:40] <JFox762> How big a file is it?
[18:41] <FightingFalcon> What are the pros and cons of installing NTP?
[18:41] <lotuspsychje> JFox762: upgrades can download alot of packages
[18:41] <JFox762> so i better do this at home then
[18:42] <lotuspsychje> JFox762: yeah you need a good connection
[18:42] <JFox762> i thought i already downloaded everything at home already
[18:42] <JFox762> so do you recommend I just do a clean install, and just use my backup to restore important data?
[18:42] <lotuspsychje> JFox762: and even if you would download a 18.04 iso its also advisable to enable updates during setup on good connection
[18:42] <pragmaticenigma> FightingFalcon: That is not an Ubuntu Support question, please see #ubuntu-offtopic
[18:42] <lotuspsychje> JFox762: that would be a smart choice indeed
[18:43] <FightingFalcon> huh
[18:43] <lotuspsychje> JFox762: clean install an LTS version is always great idea
[18:43] <JFox762> How do I check my backup to make sure it is ... functional?
[18:43] <pragmaticenigma> JFox762: that all depends on how you are backing things up
[18:43] <lotuspsychje> JFox762: well first of all, we dont know details of your /home,configs and such..
[18:44] <Jonta> Do you want to be able to restore from it? Then try a restore
[18:44] <JFox762> i used the gui application "Backup" tht was included with ubuntu
[18:44] <JFox762> "Backups"*
[18:44] <pragmaticenigma> FightingFalcon: You're question is asking for an opinion, that is not a support type question.
[18:44] <JFox762> It has a Strongbox as an icon
[18:45] <zamba> i have created a regex to match for filenames.. is it possible to revert this? and create new strings and then just "fill out" the group?
[18:45] <zamba> groups*
[18:45] <lotuspsychje> JFox762: well setting backup back from different ubuntu versions might also not be a good idea
[18:45] <broman> can someone please help me with rtcwake? when I try "rtcwake -m mem -s 10" it gives me 'rtcwake: suspend to "mem" unavailable'
[18:45] <zamba> if that made any sense
[18:45] <JFox762> so...
[18:46] <JFox762> better to just Copy the actual directories I want backed up?
[18:46] <Jonta> zamba: Example?
[18:46] <pragmaticenigma> zamba: This isn't the right channel for that type of question, you should check in #linux, #programming
[18:46] <zamba> nono, this is python related
[18:46] <lotuspsychje> JFox762: depends on what you backup, as pragmaticenigma mentioned
[18:46] <Jonta> !python
[18:46] <pragmaticenigma> zamba: Then you should ask your questin in a python related channel
[18:46] <zamba> oh :D
[18:46] <zamba> haha
[18:46] <zamba> sorry
[18:47] <lotuspsychje> JFox762: we dont know details of your programs,ppa's,configs..
[18:47] <pragmaticenigma> broman: Your motherboard/bios/EFI doesn't appear to support suspend to ram power state or it isn't being detected by the kernel. And therefore is unavailable, there isn't an easy fix for that
[18:51] <neckyrul> Hello everyone...
[18:52] <lotuspsychje> neckyrul: welcome, how can we help you?
[18:54] <neckyrul> lotuspsychje:I am new to linux.Heard abot Hexchat and connected to ubuntu.Anyway thank you.Can you please tell me what do people do in IRC chats?
[18:55] <lotuspsychje> neckyrul: well #ubuntu is the support channel for ubuntu related questions
[18:55] <lotuspsychje> neckyrul: there are also other ubuntu related channels for other topics
[18:56] <pragmaticenigma> neckyrul: You should check out /join #ubuntu-offtopic to learn more and get used to IRC. You can ask all kinds of questions about IRC there
[18:56] <lotuspsychje> neckyrul: freenode is the network hosting this, you can also use !alis to find other channels
[18:56] <neckyrul> That's great.Will check out later.
[18:57] <lotuspsychje> !manual | neckyrul and welcome to the ubuntu community
[18:57] <hfp> ubottu should link to the https version rather than http, shouldn't it?
[18:58] <lotuspsychje> hfp: if you find faults in factoids you can send a request
[18:58] <pragmaticenigma> hfp: it's a matter of opinion, but no, https is not required for anything (as google would like to make everyone believe)
[18:58] <lotuspsychje> hfp: you want to know howto?
[18:58] <hfp> lotuspsychje: yes
[18:58] <hfp> pragmaticenigma: is there any reason not to https when you can?
[18:59] <Jonta> "Anything" or "everything"?
[18:59] <lotuspsychje> hfp: /query ubottu and !factoid is your-new-request-here
[18:59] <pragmaticenigma> hfp: That's a disccussion for a different channel, this is support related topic here
[19:00] <oerheks> yay FF 61 is out
[19:02] <hfp> lotuspsychje: thanks
[19:02] <hfp> pragmaticenigma: too bad, was curious about your arguments and learning something new
[19:02] <lotuspsychje> hfp: hop on #ubuntu-discuss mate
[19:03] <mattfly> why isnt usbip on the repos anymore? :(
[19:04] <JFox762> I'm planning to just backup documents, important files, etc, and start fresh
[19:04] <lotuspsychje> JFox762: good idea
[19:05] <mattfly> oh ok its on linux-tools-generic
[19:05] <mattfly> package
[19:06] <JFox762> :)
[19:06] <JFox762> is speedtest-cli in the ubuntu repos?
[19:07] <lotuspsychje> JFox762: you can search packages on the repo with apt-cache search your-keyword
[19:07] <lotuspsychje> JFox762: for your ubuntu version of course
[19:08] <Bashing-om> JFox762: One can be selective as to what is backed up . my use case is 'rysnc' : rsync -aiv --exclude=".*" --exclude uwn /home/sysop/ /mnt/look/files/ - as an example .
[19:08] <JFox762> im just manually copying the important files to a USB stick
[19:09] <JFox762> I just care about my pictures, documents, music, videos, etc
[19:09] <JFox762> I'm wondering if I would be better served by Debian though?
[19:09] <JFox762> As I really need Cisco's PacketTracer to work on my laptop... since I bring my laptop to work, and try to do my Cisco learning with it
[19:09] <pragmaticenigma> JFox762: That is usually the best way to back up, is to manually grab your important files. Tools are meant for grabing all the data, if you're not sure if the important photos are in one folder or somewhere else
[19:09] <JFox762> cisco labs
[19:10] <Randolf> When I try to start the "samba" service, I get an error that it's masked.  So I tried using "systemctl unmask samba" but this still didn't unmask it.  What am I doing wrong?  Thanks.
[19:10] <Bashing-om> JFox762: Only you can know what better serves .. try debian and see .
[19:10] <JFox762> What are the pros of Debian vs Ubuntu.. I hear Debian is more "stable"
[19:10] <pragmaticenigma> JFox762: As for the previous comment on slow virtual machines, there are other options beyond Virtual Box and VMware that are much faster. Virtual Box/VMWare was suggested as they're most familiar with others
[19:10] <JFox762> if this is offtopic, lmk
[19:11] <oerheks> JFox762, really again the discussion?
[19:11] <pragmaticenigma> JFox762: That is offtopic
[19:11] <JFox762> ok sorry :)
[19:11] <oerheks> yeah.. and that cisco stuff, .. needs wine?
[19:11] <oerheks> :-D
[19:11] <JFox762> actually no...
[19:12] <JFox762> Cisco has a Packet Tracer for Linux... but it uses depends on outdated lib files...so you have to hunt them down
[19:12] <oerheks> who, me?
[19:13] <ioria> yeah, libicu52
[19:13] <JFox762> a few others as well ioria
[19:13] <ioria> ok
[19:13] <JFox762> can someone explain to me exactly what lib files are though?
[19:14] <ioria> libs are libs; concentrated functions
[19:14] <oerheks> library ...
[19:15] <pragmaticenigma> JFox762: lib's are shared libraries where multiple programs can leverage the functions within the lib. Similar to a DLL on windows.
[19:16] <JFox762> ahh
[19:18] <JFox762> is it... a bad thing to download outdated lib files if a program needs it? I know in windows, sometimes you get a .dll error and have to hunt donw the file yourself
[19:18] <JFox762> in other words, is there "risk" involved in doing so?
[19:19] <blue1> JFox762: you can break your system
[19:19] <blue1> depending on the lib
[19:19] <pragmaticenigma> JFox762: It is not recommended to run outdated libraries. Especially any related to external communication of the computer.
[19:19] <oerheks> yes, then you have to rescue your files, like you do now
[19:19] <Ubu-1604> did any one else just get a pretty big update from ubuntu, including firefox? (ver 61.x)?
[19:19] <oerheks> Ubu-1604, yes, finally 61
[19:19] <JFox762> external communication? You mean anything that accesses a WAN?
[19:20] <Ubu-1604> I rebooted and everything works just fineb:)
[19:20] <ibr2> can I install vmware on Ubuntu?
[19:20] <pragmaticenigma> JFox762: Anything that connects the computer to another resource, beit local network, internet, serial connection to a device
[19:20] <blue1> oerheks: yes.  I am trying to figure out how to upgrade mythbuntu 16.04 to 18.04 now that mythbuntu is defunct
[19:21] <Ubu-1604> oerheks: Ya I constantly run update daily .. nice to see firefox finally got an update ... but ya this ubuntu rox :)))
[19:21] <JFox762> does ubuntu 18.04 include SSH command line tool?
[19:21] <pragmaticenigma> ibr2: Yes, you can install both VMWare player, and workstation on Ubuntu. However this channel is not able to support them, you will have to contact VMWare directly for support
[19:22] <oerheks> mythbuntu .. long time not heared from, they are at 0.29 now http://www.mythbuntu.org/
[19:22] <hggdh> JFox762: ssh client is part of the default package selection; SSH server must be manually installed
[19:22] <blue1> Ubu-1604: this may help:  http://www.pkill-9.com/finding-installing-64-bit-firefox-thunderbird-debian/
[19:23] <pragmaticenigma> blue1: Mythbuntu is not defunct, they are no longer releasing an Ubuntu spin, and instead working on maintaining the packages in the Ubuntu software repos
[19:23] <oerheks> i would grab Kodi..
[19:23] <blue1> pragmaticenigma: yes I know -- I don't know if doing a release upgrade would work or break it.
[19:24] <pragmaticenigma> blue1: The last recommendation from them that I recall seeing was doing a fresh install of Ubuntu and then installing the MythTV meta packages
[19:24] <blue1> pragmaticenigma: yeah -- that is quite painful.  getting mysql working takes days
[19:24] <Ubu-1604> blue1: yes I plan to install version 18 ubuntu soon on a dual xeon rack I have here ... gonna run a ftp server on it
[19:25] <pragmaticenigma> blue1: A release upgrade simply tells Ubuntu that you, the user, would like to pull the latest versions of all the software. Instead of the usual security updates and patches.
[19:25] <blue1> Ubu-1604: good to know -- I may take an image copy and try a release upgrade -- if that breaks things -- I can always put the image back.
[19:25] <pragmaticenigma> blue1: If you are on 16.04 LTS or 14.04 LTS, Then official upgrade doesn't occur till later this month
[19:25] <blue1> pragmaticenigma: 16.04
[19:25] <Ubu-1604> blue1: but i have to admit .. this ver 16.04 is awsome .. the web runs extremely fast and it's an older computer, well i got all new KB and mice etc, but 16.04 is a very good OS for general use.
[19:26] <blue1> maybe we should take this offline?  PM ok?
[19:26] <pragmaticenigma> blue1: Please keep conversation in the channel... so it will benefit everyone
[19:26] <blue1> pragmaticenigma: okay.
[19:26] <Ubu-1604> sure .. i am used to mirc for irc .. been doing it since the 90s
[19:27] <blue1> i have used mirc in about a decade -- it is a great piece of software
[19:27] <blue1> have not
[19:28] <pragmaticenigma> blue1: My recommendation for now is to get your system backed up (I prefer to make a backup image) ... I believe the LTS release upgrade goes live around July 21st
[19:28] <blue1> pragmaticenigma: I was wondering when that was going to be available -- thank you
[19:28] <Ubu-1604> blue1: ya i told my company i used tom work for to offer him a $hit load of bux to buy him out ... this was before smart phones were even invented .. they though i was crazy people would do text over talking on the phone.
[19:28] <pragmaticenigma> !ohmy | Ubu-1604
[19:29] <Ubu-1604> $-hit is a swaer? .. go figure
[19:29] <blue1> pragmaticenigma: yea i figured out how to make image copies through a network -- it will simplify things for me -- once I get the replacement hard drive which failed over the weekend.
[19:29] <pragmaticenigma> blue1: ouch, that's a bummer
[19:30] <Ubu-1604> blue1: I use GHOST for DOS to make images .. works awsome.
[19:30] <blue1> Ubu-1604: I use dd
[19:31] <blue1> Ubu-1604: this was a nice discovery a few months ago:  http://www.pkill-9.com/dd-ssh/  basically the old tar trick
[19:34] <pragmaticenigma> blue1: You may also want take a look at Clonezilla
[19:34] <blue1> pragmaticenigma: I am not familiar with that - is it linux based>
[19:35] <ioria> !info clonezilla
[19:35] <blue1> is it free?
[19:35] <ioria> what you think ?
[19:36] <blue1> I don;t know - that is why I am asking.
[19:36] <pragmaticenigma> blue1: Yes it is free, it is linux based. If you are familiar with Norton Ghost, it's very similar in function and offers a lot of different options including network backups
[19:37] <blue1> pragmaticenigma: not familiar with that at all.  I usually boot up a linux sytem (even the live cd) on windows systems to make dd backups.
[19:37] <pragmaticenigma> blue1: The clonezilla package for ubuntu is for setting up a clonezilla server, as a cetral respository for all system backups you perform
[19:37] <blue1> let me look
[19:38] <blue1> pragmaticenigma: woo hoo
[19:38] <pragmaticenigma> blue1: Clonezilla pretty much does a dd backup as well, it splits the files though, and compresses them
[19:38] <blue1> I will have to see if that is any different than dd -- it might be just a front end -- like grsync is for rsync
[19:39] <blue1> pragmaticenigma: thank you - I will have to try that out.
[19:40] <blue1> anyone had the problem where the numlock engages when the screensaver is activated?  http://www.pkill-9.com/numlock-engages-screensaver-activated-ubuntu-18-04/  it is annoying
[19:40] <ioria> in theory, clonezilla understands filesystems and understands when there is nothing to be copied
[19:40] <blue1> nice
[19:42] <blue1> ioria: so instead of copying the partition's empty space, it knows that and does not copy that?  it would certainly speed up the backup.
[19:42] <Ubu-1604> blue1: you sound like a cool guy .. but i come from a windowz/DOS world .. hard to explain but i have likr 30+ computers here .. and since i got this ubuntu 16.04 going , i havew never been more impressed .. it runs extremely well .. i have a new xeon box with win10 on it which i have to setup soon .. i got WAY to much going on here :\
[19:43] <ioria> blue1, i used it just a couple of times ... cannot guarantee
[19:43] <Ubu-1604> i did firgure out how to remove these old SNAP versions .. man thoes take up disk space
[19:44] <ioria> blue1, and about numlock,i guess the problem is, there is no rc.local to start it
[19:44] <Ubu-1604> blue1: do you know if ubuntu ver 17.10 switched back to the Unity GUI? .. someone said they did
[19:44] <blue1> Ubu-1604: I come from a mainframe background (over 50 years.  And some windows too) but Linux never fails to teach me something new every week
[19:45] <blue1> Ubu-1604: Good question.  I know in 18.04 they did not
[19:45] <blue1> unity afaik is dead, jim
[19:46] <oerheks> Ubu-1604, please stop with 'i heard' and someone said ..
[19:46] <oerheks> we are  not into gossip, thanks
[19:46] <Ubu-1604> blue1: awwwwwsome .. I did allot of AS400/IBM for a long time ... ya seom mainframe too ... mostly FTP getting the data off of them to import into sql server/oragle .. my main job over the years was data migration .. sorry i look at the keyboard when i type for chat so sorry for the typos
[19:46] <oerheks> lets get back to support, please
[19:47] <blue1> Ubu-1604: I did systems level work on the old IBM MVT Systems, and DEC PDP-11
[19:47] <Ubu-1604> oerheks: well is ubuntu 17.10 using Unity for the GUI? .. I do notice allot of people are using 17.10 over 17.04.
[19:47] <oerheks> 17.04 ie EOL, so the should use 17.10
[19:48] <Ubu-1604> blue1: PDP-11 ... me tooooo .. had a printer for a screen .. coding in binary to that thing was a joy
[19:48] <Bashing-om> !17.10
[19:48] <blue1> I am using xubuntu 18.04 here -- the gnome interfaces requires too many key click -- ubuntu mate uses gnome 2 -- I have that on my raspberry pi -- it works very well
[19:48] <oerheks> and gnome3 desktop is default now, still unity is available, as community project
[19:48] <blue1> right -- gnome 3
[19:48] <oerheks> !info ubuntu-unity-desktop
[19:49] <blue1> xfce is dead simple for me --
[19:49] <ioria> no 3d thou
[19:50] <blue1> I put lubuntu 18.04 on some 2005 1 G vintage laptops -- works very well -- I had to drop the resolution down to 240 on youtube (85% cpu) but it works~
[19:51] <Ubu-1604> well maybe this is the better question ... where exatly should i download version 18.x from ubuntu, i could just click what's on the website, but you folks seem to know WHY more then me .. i have the FTP site so i was just gonna get it from there.
[19:51] <blue1> Yea probably the best.
[19:51] <oerheks> sure you can find it.
[19:52] <compdoc> I like it fast, so I use torrents
[19:52] <Bashing-om> Ubu-1604: https://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop .
[19:52] <oerheks> [spoileralert]
[19:53] <blue1> Ubu-1604: this might be easier:  http://releases.ubuntu.com/18.04/
[19:53] <Ubu-1604> gzzzz I was going to upgrade this Quassel irc client, darn thing is 104 MEG ??
[19:54] <ioria> Ubu-1604, xchat
[19:54] <blue1> okay off for a bit
[19:55] <oerheks> compdoc, do you have the torrent for http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/ ??
[19:55] <compdoc> you should only get such things from the ubuntu website, and its mirrors
[19:56] <oerheks> an iso a day eats your storage away
[19:56] <Ubu-1604> oerheks: is that a bootable cdimange? .. that's a good link .. i think i will use that .. that's ver 18.x yes?
[20:00] <prinsipito> Hi, I'm not sure exactly how this chat works, but I'd like to know where to talk to someone about a doubt related to internet conection
[20:01] <tomreyn> Ubu-1604: no, http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/ provides cosmic (18.10) snapshot (as the page states)
[20:02] <tomreyn> prinsipito: hi there. if you're looking for volunteer assistence with any supported ubuntu version, this is the right place.
[20:02] <oerheks> Ubu-1604, next beta, but still on kernel 4.15
[20:07] <leftyfb> Ok, I've got one. We had to move to new wireless chipsets in our devices since Intel EOL'd the ones we were using. Since doing this, I'm noticing we lose wireless connection pretty often. I got someone onsite (not very techy) who I'm walking through troubleshooting. So far from screenshots on 1 device, it still had the ESSID connected but no ip address. After sitting there for about 2 hours, it seemed to get an ip but was still inaccessible.
[20:07] <leftyfb> After ifdown/up'ing the interface, it's back online with the same ip. I'm finding nothing in dmesg or syslog. This is Ubuntu 16.04 server.
[20:08]  * pragmaticenigma is confused, how is EOL'd hardware prompting an upgrade?
[20:08] <leftyfb> because they were junk, kept crashing the PCI bus and we can't get them anymore
[20:09] <oerheks> leftyfb, if the new wifi used the same static ip, the router needed to drop the lease for the ip
[20:09] <leftyfb> oerheks: same ip as in the last time the same card had an ip, not the new card.
[20:09] <oerheks> with forwarded ports and so on
[20:09] <leftyfb> er, not the old card
[20:10] <leftyfb> forget about the old card
[20:10] <pragmaticenigma> leftyfb: what oerheks is saying is the DHCP lease on the old card hadn't expired yet, and the new card was able to connect, but unable to receive a new allocated IP. It sounds like it's coincidence that the same IP would be issued
[20:10] <corn13read> Anyone know what's going on with kernel.ubuntu.com?
[20:10] <leftyfb> dhcp/dns all works fine. We have over 50 other devices at this and other locations with the old card that don't have this issue
[20:10] <oerheks> 16.04 had no netplan, so you should be fine
[20:11] <oerheks> the lease is on macadress, probably
[20:12] <leftyfb> pragmaticenigma: no, forget about the old card. In most of these cases, the computer with the old card was replaced over the course of 48 hours. The lease and DNS records expired, replacement computer installed, brought back online, everything fine. lease, dns records and functioning as it's supposed to. Then randomly it just becomes inaccessible
[20:13] <nacc> corn13read: you might ask in #ubuntu-kernel
[20:13] <oerheks> leftyfb, oh, that part i missed
[20:13] <pragmaticenigma> leftyfb: ah, that's really odd... once they're up and running do they stabilize?
[20:13] <oerheks> all unattended updates?
[20:13] <oerheks> there is a kernel release today
[20:14] <leftyfb> pragmaticenigma: until they die again, which literally just happened as I started asking here
[20:14] <pragmaticenigma> leftyfb: These are from Intel as well? or another manufacturer?
[20:14] <leftyfb> pragmaticenigma: Qualcom
[20:15] <leftyfb> Qualcomm Atheros QCA986x/988x 802.11ac Wireless Network Adapter
[20:15] <pragmaticenigma> any chance of overheating? thermal shutdown?
[20:16] <leftyfb> unlikely
[20:17] <leftyfb> there's over 250 of these out there. Less than 10 have these new cards and only the ones with the new cards are dying
[20:17] <pragmaticenigma> Fedora 26 had issues with those cards, an update was released to address it
[20:17] <pragmaticenigma> but that was 11 months ago
[20:18] <pragmaticenigma> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1490172
[20:19] <leftyfb> We're running 10.2.4.70.9-2
[20:19] <leftyfb> But the odd part is, it's not losing wifi connection, only the ip/packet transfer
[20:19] <pavlos> leftyfb: latest firmware in https://github.com/kvalo/ath10k-firmware/
[20:19] <leftyfb> iwconfig still shows connected and we only ifup/down the iface and it gets back on
[20:20] <hfp> More zfs on ubuntu questions: why does the output of iostat doesn't seem to match with what's going on? iostat reports reading 7M/s on the one disk vdev, but zpool status says it's scrubbing at 160M/s
[20:22] <ElinKattunge> Anyone ever set tmux as their default shell? I've done it and there is a default-shell option in tmux.conf which can be set to whatever appropriate shell you want such as zsh, it's just I've had problems with getting this setup to work in a terminal emulator.
[20:22] <tomreyn> corn13read: i've asked in #canonical-sysadmin for you, it's being investigated now
[20:24] <hggdh> ElinKattunge: I use byobu as a wrpper to tmux, and it works OK. I am not sure you can use tmux straight as your shell, though (never tried)
[20:24] <brainwash> ElinKattunge: maybe ask in #tmux
[20:25] <tomreyn> corn13read: should be back
[20:25] <ElinKattunge> hggdh: I can do it in a TTY, however a VT is a whole different game.
[20:27] <someone235> Hi, no matter what I do, my partition has no space
[20:27] <someone235> no matter what files I delete
[20:27] <ElinKattunge> hggdh: May I have a source of information regarding how you accomplished that achievement?
[20:28] <someone235> is there a way to check what is eating my partition?
[20:28] <someone235> se
[20:28] <someone235> sec
[20:28] <someone235> nevermind
[20:28] <someone235> I think I figured it up
[20:28] <tomreyn> someone235: congrats. what was it then?
[20:29] <ElinKattunge> someone235: Beauty of linux systems, is you just gotta keep digging, heh
[20:29] <hggdh> ElinKattunge: sudo apt install byobu, then you will be asked if you want screen or tmux. Select tmux, and you are pretty much set
[20:29] <leftyfb> someone235: sudo apt install ncdu -y && sudo ncdu /
[20:29] <ElinKattunge> Just gonna have a look into what byobu actually is, I vaguely remember reading someone elses use case online a year or so ago, but not 100% sure.
[20:29] <someone235> leftyfb, ncdu checks the directory / no?
[20:30] <someone235> leftyfb, I need to check the partition
[20:30] <leftyfb> someone235: and everything underneath
[20:30] <someone235> leftyfb, yes I know
[20:30] <ElinKattunge> hggdh: Sounds nice
[20:31] <someone235> leftyfb, but I don't want to scan my home directory
[20:31] <someone235> because it's another partition
[20:31] <Ubu-1604> bbl ...
[20:31] <ElinKattunge> It says it can also achieve multiplexing, so technically I would be getting one multiplexer to use another, what is the advantages of this, hggdh ?
[20:33] <ElinKattunge> I mean, I switched from screen to tmux for it's better window management as a pro.
[20:33] <Dbugger> hi everyone
[20:33] <Dbugger> lately my mouse moves quite irregularly
[20:33] <Dbugger> does anyone know where the problem could lay?
[20:34] <ElinKattunge> Oh god, those damned mice!
[20:34] <compdoc> Dbugger, do you have pets?
[20:34] <Dbugger> compdoc, yes
[20:34] <pavlos> Dbugger: dirt, hair
[20:34] <phelix> I have installed ubuntu 18.04 I have 4 external hard drives USB and after some time of sitting they always disapear and I have to reboot to get them back. Anyone know what could be causing this? Never happened on earlier versions of Ubuntu
[20:35] <Dbugger> not sure it is a hardware problem. In windows seems to run quite smoothly
[20:35] <hfp> nvm I confused iostat and iotop
[20:35] <compdoc> look at the opening for the laser and the glass lens. I bet its full of hairs
[20:37] <ElinKattunge> hggdh: So I attempted to install byobu through APT, however byobu is already on my system. I did dpkg-reconfigure byobu to attempt to set byobu to use tmux however the options were not as expected. I'm gonna have a look around /etc
[20:37] <ElinKattunge> Thank you very much for the recommendation of byobu, sounds promising
[20:38] <someone235> ElinKattunge, is there a way I can see what is writing to storage right now?
[20:39] <ElinKattunge> I never thought of monitoring a system file-by-file myself.
[20:41] <hfp> someone235: iotop would show you the threads and processes writing (and how much)
[20:42] <leftyfb> someone235: sudo ncdu -x /
[20:42] <leftyfb> someone235: that will only scan the filesystem at the root
[20:42] <someone235> cool
[20:43] <leftyfb> someone235: I learned that by reading "man ncdu"
[20:44] <leftyfb> someone235: utils that touch filesystems in this sort of way usually have a flag telling it to not cross filesystems
[20:44] <pavlos> someone235: iotop, similar to top but for I/O
[20:44] <someone235> thx, I'll check it out
[20:49] <corn13read> tomreyn, awesome! thx!
[20:55] <ElinKattunge> hggdh: Hi again
[20:55] <hggdh> ElinKattunge: yes?
[20:57] <ElinKattunge> I'm not understanding the point of nesting tmux within byobu.
[20:58] <hggdh> ElinKattunge: it is up to you. I find byobu easier to use since it wraps either tmux or screen (and I personally do not like the screen shortcuts
[20:58] <hggdh> ElinKattunge: I usually get either tmux *or* screen on the servers I have to work with, so having tmux makes my life easier
[20:59] <hggdh> and byobu gives me a nice summary on the bottom lines
[20:59] <ElinKattunge> hggdh: But so does tmux, and it was the duplicate summary that confuses me.
[21:00] <hggdh> ElinKattunge: ? what duplicate summary?
[21:00] <ElinKattunge> I mean bottom status lines
[21:01] <hggdh> ElinKattunge: mine only shows byobu's summary. Do you see both tmux and byou's?
[21:01] <ElinKattunge> I can't seem to see the tmux backend though, I haven't actually executed tmux. Lemme have a look at htop.
[21:02] <hggdh> ElinKattunge: byobu will call tmux (or screen) for you, and control it
[21:03] <algid> anyone know how i can get Terminator to open in a secondary display instead of the primary one?
[21:04] <ElinKattunge> Interesting
[21:04] <ElinKattunge> So it has
[21:04] <hfp> algid: that's probably up to your window manager and not Terminator
[21:04] <ElinKattunge> but it doesn't seem to abide by tmux configs.
[21:12] <ElinKattunge> hggdh: I still can't seem to open a terminal emulator.
[21:20] <hggdh> ElinKattunge: what I do: I use the default shell, and manually run byobu (or tmux. or screen as last resort); I do not have them set to auto-start because I do not want stacked tmux sessions
[21:21] <hggdh> elibrokeit: so, if you really want to *always* have byobu auto-started, change its default to autostart (F9 while in byobu) and set it to auto-start
[21:22] <donpdonp> i did a clean install of ubuntu (16.04 to 18.04) and now tar does not auto-detect .gz files. any idea how to get it to work like it did before? example: $ tar tf thing.tar.gz would work as expected but now it simply says not a tar file.
[21:22] <luxio> if I installed a program with `dpkg -i`, and now there's a new version out, to upgrade do I just download the new version and dpkg -i? Will it upgrade the necessary files?
[21:24] <blackflow> donpdonp: works here. tar should autodetect.
[21:24] <blackflow> donpdonp: are you sure it's a tar file?
[21:25] <donpdonp> blackflow: doh. maybe something weird is in my home directory to affect the behaviour of tar (!)
[21:25] <donpdonp> $ file caddy_v0.11.0_linux_amd64_custom_personal.tar.gz => gzip compressed data, was "caddy_v0.11.0_linux_amd64_custom_personal.tar"
[21:25] <donpdonp> $ tar tf caddy_v0.11.0_linux_amd64_custom_personal.tar.gz => tar: This does not look like a tar archive
[21:26] <blackflow> donpdonp: well are you sure it's a tar. gunzip it first, then run file
[21:26] <donpdonp> blackflow: are you using the tar-1.29b-2 package?
[21:26] <donpdonp> ive done that. its a valid file.
[21:27] <blackflow> donpdonp: yup, that's tar in Bionic
[21:27] <blackflow> !info tar
[21:27] <blackflow> donpdonp: `which tar` should be /bin/tar    is it?
[21:27] <donpdonp> yes
[21:29] <donpdonp> woah, tried making a new tar.gz and that works. perhaps it is a problem with caddy.tar.gz
[21:29] <blackflow> donpdonp: so, if you run  tar -czf somefile.tar.gz  somedir/      and then tar -tf somefile.tar.gz      it doesn't work?
[21:29] <Neui> I've started an another X session (using startx) on an another tty with another user. When I switch from that tty to the default tty, lightdm "crashes" (user gets logged out, backscreen then displays login). Is this know? I upgraded from 16.04
[21:30] <donpdonp> blackflow: im happy calling it a caddy.tar.gz problem and not a tar problem now. thx.
[21:30] <blackflow> donpdonp: yw
[21:30] <srj55> I'm on Ubuntu 10.04.4 LTS.  When I try to upgrade nginx 0.7.65, the updates all fail.  apt-get upgrade can't find files, etc.  I assume this release is too old. Is there any version of nginx I can upgrade to?  Need to support TLS 1.2 in nginx.  thanks
[21:31] <newdimension> Anyone experiencing issues booting? I'm getting an error that snapd failed to load
[21:32] <blackflow> srj55: 10.4? as in Lucid Lynx?
[21:33] <srj55> blackflow:  yes
[21:33] <blackflow> srj55: yeah, no. that's long unsupported.
[21:33] <blackflow> you could upgrade.
[21:33] <blackflow> !eolupgade
[21:33] <blackflow> !eolupgrade
[21:34] <blackflow> srj55: TLS1.2 requires new OpenSSL which will in turn break your entire system, even if you compiled newer nginx from source.
[21:34] <blackflow> just.... upgrade to Bionic :)
[21:34] <srj55> blackflow:   ok, i'll upgrade.  will this completely overhaul my server?  just running a basic LAMP stack with a python web app, mysql.
[21:35] <blackflow> srj55: I suppose it will yes, you're running a VERY old and unsupported system. pretty irrensposible for a public server.
[21:35] <srj55> blackflow:  ok, i'll look into an upgrade path forward.  any recommended site, or just the one you just referenced?
[21:36] <blackflow> srj55: the one referenced.
[21:36] <blackflow> (EOLUpgrades)
[21:36] <srj55> blackflow:  thank you.
[21:37] <blackflow> srj55: oh yeah, newer Ubuntus now run systemd, and with Bionic there's netplan.... so yeah, it'll totally overhaul your system but hey, it's a good thing.
[21:44] <Neui> Also when starting with startx, gnome-terminal won't start (when starting it in another terminal, it'll display something about "StartServiceByName Timeout was reached")
[21:45] <blackflow> Neui: frankly, I doubt that's even possible these days. you could run startx on multiple ttys, but I doubt you can run multiple display managers like that
[21:46] <blackflow> Neui: other than "just because", what's the reason to do it?
[21:47] <Neui> I'm using seperate users (one for work, one for normal use) on seperate ttys.
[21:47] <blackflow> Neui: why tho?
[21:47] <blackflow> like at the same time?
[21:48] <Neui> I don't want to mix settings
[21:48] <blackflow> what settings?
[21:49] <Neui> IntelliJ, firefox (I know there are profiles but still)
[21:49] <blackflow> Neui: those are saved in user's home directory. you can use normal single instance of xorg-server and just login as another user.
[21:50] <blackflow> running separate xorg-server will absolutely not change that
[21:52] <Neui> I am not so sure about what you mean. Of course are the settings in the users home dir.
[21:52] <blackflow> right so why do you think you need to run two xorg-server instances? just login as different user and that user's home directory will be effective for any program you run as that user.
[21:53] <ClauRIC> Ubuntu
[21:55] <Neui> blackflow: Well 2 instances one for one user on one tty and the other server instance for the other use on an different tty
[21:57] <blackflow> Neui: but what for?
[21:57] <nacc> Neui: you want to actively use two logged-in x instances locally on the same machine?
[21:57] <nacc> Neui: how would that even work?
[21:58] <Neui> nacc: Well it worked fine on 16.04. I logged in on lightdm (on tty7), CTRL+ALT+F6, login, startx and I it just worked
[21:59] <nacc> Neui: you are switching between two logged in sessions then
[21:59] <Neui> nacc: Since I am seperating stuff between them so I don't use work-related stuff on my personal user
[22:00] <nacc> Neui: this doesn't make sense
[22:00] <blackflow> Neui: that doesn't   yeah :)
[22:00] <nacc> Neui: since you can only see one or the other anyways, why can't you just do waht blackflow is saying
[22:00] <Bashing-om> Neui: nacc xfce: I stat another instance of an Xsession on a different display by ' ctl+alt+f2 ; startx -- :1 ; ctl+alt+f8 ' . Do not know how this will work in say GDM .,
[22:00] <blackflow> Neui: you can, and should, just login as different user from ONE display manager.
[22:00] <blackflow> Bashing-om: don't encourage :)
[22:00] <nacc> Bashing-om: yes, you *can* do this, but i don't see exactly why you want to in general :)
[22:01] <Bashing-om> nacc: blackflow :: Agreed . special case only .
[22:02] <Neui> Well can you quickly switch users when only using one tty?
[22:03] <Neui> I am not doing that often but it is convinent when I can quickly do that
[22:05] <algid> anyone know how i can get Terminator to open in a secondary display instead of the primary one?
[22:05] <nacc> seems like unnecessary optimization for an infrequent operation, Neui
[22:07] <nacc> Neui: the point being, the multiple ttys do not offer any separation of data; it's the multiple user accounts that do.
[22:07] <blackflow> and very difficutl if not impossible task nowadays, xorg is expected to be run as root due to session management, and you also need KMS supported GPU
[22:08] <Neui> nacc: I know, I use multiple ttys because of the convience to switch
[22:08] <blackflow> Neui: also what nacc said. xorg-server is a display server, it couldn't care less about uid you login as, or more precisely, the programs that access it.
[22:08] <hfp> Trying to share my zfs dataset over nfs. This is what I have for the sharenfs property: https://dpaste.de/16X2 but I can't get the share to show with showmount or when trying to mount on remote hosts. Any ideas?
[22:09] <nacc> Neui: I guess I don't see it as that convenient, if it doesn't work :) and it seems like a fragile setup anyways
[22:10] <blackflow> hfp: ZFS is NFS aware:  https://www.hiroom2.com/2016/05/18/ubuntu-16-04-share-zfs-storage-via-nfs-smb/
[22:10] <hfp> blackflow: Yes I know, this is why I am setting the sharenfs property but it doesn't seem to have any effect
[22:11] <blackflow> hfp: where are you setting it? that looks like fstab
[22:11] <hfp> blackflow: on the dataset's properties, this is from `zfs get sharenfs`
[22:11] <blackflow> ah I see.
[22:21] <jeace10> test
[22:22] <arooni> question; in trying to get emojis to appear on ubuntu 18.04; i have this font config file in my ~/.config/fontconfig/ ; but it looks like the binding is so strong that emojii based numbers appear everywhere lol.  anyway to reduce the strength of the emoji binding?  https://gist.github.com/arooni/134c021935576a3d5b12dba24ba771c7
[22:22] <arooni> i.e id like to keep using emojis but maybe see a bit less of them hahhaa
[22:23] <Umeaboy> Hi! When using Ubuntu 18.04 to build the nightly of zeroltexx my cpu cores goes sky rocket high and stays like that for a long time.
[22:24] <Umeaboy> This does NOT happen in my preferred dist Mageia 6.
[22:24] <Umeaboy> I want to report this error using ubuntu-bug, but I don't know what to report against.
[22:24] <Umeaboy> I did add the ccache command to my bashrc.
[22:24] <Umeaboy> And the jack command.
[22:24] <Umeaboy> 4 GB used out of 8 GB in total.
[22:25] <Umeaboy> When I say nightly I mean the nightly of Lineage.
[22:25] <oerheks> so, building should not go on full trottle??
[22:25] <Umeaboy> Nop.e
[22:25] <Umeaboy> Nope.
[22:25] <Umeaboy> I see processes related to clang++.
[22:25] <Umeaboy> 4 of them.
[22:25] <Umeaboy> The top on uses 98%.
[22:25] <oerheks> oh, not gcc, but clang.. good to tell
[22:28] <Umeaboy> dpkg -S clang++ gives me: dpkg-query: no path found matching pattern *clang++*
[22:29] <hggdh> apt-file search clang++ returns clang-6.0
[22:29] <hggdh> (and 3.8 and 4.0 and 5.0)
[22:30] <hfp> blackflow: heh, I had my options in the wrong order. it should be opts,rw=... i.e. the = always goes with rw
[22:30] <granttrec> is there any way to get a rollback like feature for apt?
[22:31] <hfp> btw, do you know a way to validate properties?
[22:32] <oerheks> Umeaboy, really an issue for #LineageOS-dev , sure that 100% cpu is not bad when building .. unless an error log grows too
[22:34] <xxavi> hi
[22:34] <xxavi> I connect my USB DVD external to de system and it not detect, any idea ?
[22:36] <Teb82> hey quick question to anyone that might know, is there a software or a way to know for sure what the driver is for a device in Ubuntu
[22:37] <Teb82> and it might be a driver problem
[22:37] <ikonia> Teb82: what is "your" problem
[22:37] <ikonia> rather than some hypothetical sitatuion that doesn't make sense
[22:39] <Umeaboy> xxavi: What does dmesg say? Paste the output on hastebin.com and paste the resulting link here.
[22:40] <Umeaboy> Teb82: lsmod will tell you a lot.
[22:40] <Umeaboy> lshw will also tell you.
[22:40] <Umeaboy> Run lshw as root.
[22:40] <blackflow> hfp: what do you mean validate?
[22:42] <Teb82> I am trying to disable the touchscreen driver for my laptop, I know I can do xinput and disable it or write a script to disable it on boot up but my laptop is one of those 2 in 1s and the driver for the pen shows up as well but I will run lshw and see if it will turn up a more specific answer
[22:42] <Teb82> thank you
[22:44] <xxavi> Umeaboy: hi, here my dmesg: https://hastebin.com/zabecotute.vbs
[22:46] <tomreyn> granttrec: only with a snapshotting block device layer (LVM2) or filesystem feature (zfs, btrfs from what i read)
[22:46] <psichas> guys, where network manager saves names of devices? i got one very big name...
[22:46] <Umeaboy> xxavi: What does mount say?
[22:46] <Umeaboy> Sorry.
[22:46] <Umeaboy> df
[22:46] <xxavi> Umeaboy: here my lshw output: https://hastebin.com/guraqojeya.nginx
[22:47] <xxavi> Umeaboy: https://hastebin.com/ifebafedox.erl
[22:47] <Umeaboy> Seems like it failed to mount.
[22:48] <Umeaboy> Yeah.
[22:48] <granttrec> tomreyn: thats too bad, but snapshots are an ok alterative, guess I had to learn filesystems eventually
[22:48] <Umeaboy> It doesn't mount.
[22:48] <Umeaboy> Read error.
[22:48] <Umeaboy> Have you googled the issue?
[22:49] <xxavi> Umeaboy: I not found any info
[22:49] <Umeaboy> xxavi: https://www.google.se/search?source=hp&ei=S6A-W_GWDYnIsQH_hoXoBg&q=HLDS+Inc+%2B+Slim+ext+blu-ray+error+-71&oq=HLDS+Inc+%2B+Slim+ext+blu-ray+error+-71&gs_l=psy-ab.3...1461.26433.0.27998.33.31.0.0.0.0.612.3833.13j15j1j5-1.30.0....0...1c.1.64.psy-ab..3.17.2601.0..0i22i30k1j0i22i10i30k1j33i160k1j33i22i29i30k1j33i21k1.0.AlSjlnwMAyo
[22:50] <Umeaboy> What's the firmware version of that device?
[22:50] <Umeaboy> Maybe there's an update released.
[22:51] <qwebirc8854> Hi, I'm using PBIS to connect to Active Directory and for the most part everything works well. One question - when doing certain operations through the GUI, such as managing some settings, I have to "unlock" using the password for the local account used when installing Ubuntu - is it possible to alter the bahaviour for the password prompt? Can I authenticate using my AD account?
[22:51] <xxavi> Umeaboy: it have last firmware version
[22:54] <Umeaboy> xxavi: How do you know that?
[22:55] <Umeaboy> It seems like this is a device made in a collaboration between Hitachi and LG.
[22:55] <xxavi> Umeaboy: I check it on Windows
[22:55] <tomreyn> granttrec: normally you can just undo things with apt, though. what is the issue you're trying to handle, if any?
[22:56] <Umeaboy> I'd say you'd have to ask in #ubuntu-dev, but I could be wrong.
[22:56] <Umeaboy> Sounds like a mount issue.
[22:56] <Umeaboy> When you last used it, did you unmount it properly before disconnecting it?
[22:56] <granttrec> tomreyn: nothing specific, but after a mistake at work today I want to get better at package management
[22:57] <Umeaboy> If not, you can get mount issues.
[22:57] <Umeaboy> What you can do is to check if it mounts with gparted.
[22:57] <Umeaboy> Or the disk-utility rather.
[22:59] <tomreyn> granttrec: i see. you can always review your latest requests to APT in /var/log/apt/history.log* (those can have been cancelled later) and the latest actual output of when apt was running in /var/log/apt/term.log*
[23:00] <tomreyn> granttrec: reviewing those can help you roll back by just undoing those actions.
[23:00] <granttrec> thanks, good to know
[23:00] <xxavi> Umeaboy: hmmm, I change the USB port attached and now it work fine, thanks for all
[23:00] <granttrec> tomreyn: can packages have "tags"?
[23:01] <tomreyn> granttrec: what kind if tags?
[23:03] <granttrec> tomreyn: tags created by a user, so say you needed a bunch of packages for a project, you could group them for easy install/removal
[23:03] <ikonia> 7
[23:04] <tomreyn> granttrec: not really, but you could create meta packages which just depends on these packages you want, push them to your own PPA, and then just add this PPA to a system you want to manage this way.
[23:05] <tomreyn> granttrec: alternatively, you could just write a shell script or setup some deployment solution to install them
[23:06] <granttrec> shell script makes sense, I may have been too idealistic
[23:07] <tomreyn> if it's about multiple computers, maybe take a look at ansible - it's somewhat easy to get stated with. easier than other deployment solutions anyways.
[23:09] <tomreyn> granttrec: there are also tasks (ooold documentation, but should still be correct) https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Tasksel
[23:09] <granttrec> tomreyn: thanks for your wise counsel mate
[23:10] <tomreyn> ;) welcome, also got to go now. good luck.
[23:17] <psichas> https://ibb.co/mgzKGd how to remove long name from here? :D
[23:23] <praveen> hello
[23:24] <psichas> hi
[23:29] <oerheks> yay fresh https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuStudio/AudioHandbook
[23:30] <oerheks> psichas, go into your router, change the name of the SSID.
[23:30] <oerheks> not an ubuntu issue