| waldo323_ | good morning | 11:24 |
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| jrwren | good morning | 12:00 |
| notlikethesoup | good morning | 12:37 |
| ColonelPanic001 | anyone else use kubuntu (or probably just kde in general)? I dist-upgraded yesterday, and ever since now conky and yakuake appear to run, but not be visible | 12:49 |
| jrwren | that sucks. | 12:54 |
| jrwren | what if you launch them from a terminal window? | 12:54 |
| ColonelPanic001 | behaves normally then, too... except it's not visible | 12:55 |
| ColonelPanic001 | it's not quite a crisis for me, but it is a bit annoying | 12:56 |
| ColonelPanic001 | [mike:~] 127 $ yakuake | 12:56 |
| ColonelPanic001 | QDBusConnection: session D-Bus connection created before QCoreApplication. Application may misbehave. | 12:56 |
| ColonelPanic001 | QDBusConnection: session D-Bus connection created before QCoreApplication. Application may misbehave. | 12:56 |
| notlikethesoup | mm the only ubuntu derivatives i've used are xubuntu and ubuntu-gnome | 12:56 |
| ColonelPanic001 | Yakuake is already running, toggling window ... | 12:56 |
| ColonelPanic001 | to be overly specific. | 12:56 |
| jrwren | what if you pkill yakuake and then start it from terminal? | 12:58 |
| jrwren | did its keybinding change? | 12:58 |
| ColonelPanic001 | nah, it's there - in fact, I can click it. I just realized that part - if I hit f12 (my key for it), and then click where it would be, the window I was in loses focus, I can run a command, etc. It's... there. Just can't see it. weird. | 12:59 |
| jrwren | very weird. | 13:00 |
| ColonelPanic001 | I'm lazy, trying reinstalling it. tiny package anyway, and meh | 13:00 |
| ColonelPanic001 | I dont' expect it to help, but whatever | 13:00 |
| ColonelPanic001 | yeah, same. meh | 13:00 |
| ColonelPanic001 | honestly probably not worth the time now. meh. Thanks for trying, though | 13:01 |
| jrwren | is there a settings file or dir you can move out of the way? | 13:02 |
| jrwren | $HOME/.kakuake or $HOME/.config/kakuake ? | 13:02 |
| ColonelPanic001 | can't hurt to try | 13:08 |
| ColonelPanic001 | eh, it's all of three entries, nothing relevant. trying anyway because can't hurt, still | 13:09 |
| ColonelPanic001 | yeah, no effect | 13:10 |
| ColonelPanic001 | ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ | 13:10 |
| ColonelPanic001 | I wonder if just something about a certain window class or something is treated differently in an update | 13:10 |
| ColonelPanic001 | seems odd that it's two different programs getting the same thing | 13:10 |
| cmaloney | Perhaps it's getting different arguments? | 13:11 |
| ColonelPanic001 | ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ | 13:11 |
| ColonelPanic001 | conky runs just off it's config, I'm not running it with any arguments on the cli at least | 13:11 |
| ColonelPanic001 | same with yakuake, afaik | 13:11 |
| cmaloney | I mean when it gets launched | 13:12 |
| cmaloney | like there might be some other profile or something that it is selecting | 13:12 |
| ColonelPanic001 | maybe? doesn't seem it, but hey, it's not like I've got a better idea | 13:14 |
| ColonelPanic001 | I don't know desktop stuff all that well, especially any more | 13:14 |
| ColonelPanic001 | the dist-upgrade taketh away, perhaps a future one will giveth | 13:15 |
| ColonelPanic001 | if i had time to f around with desktop stuff I would run something more interesting than ancient LTS Kubuntu | 13:16 |
| ColonelPanic001 | but here I sit. Kubuntu 16.04 | 13:16 |
| jrwren | wait... this recent "upgrade" was *to* 16.04 ? | 13:32 |
| jrwren | i wonder if do-release-upgrade would have done some magic that dist-upgrade didn't. | 13:33 |
| ColonelPanic001 | oh, sorry, no - this was just a apt-get dist-upgrade, not literally upgrading the distro | 13:38 |
| jrwren | why would you ever run dist-upgrade on ubuntu? | 13:39 |
| waldo323_ | doesn't that grab latest kernel etc? | 13:40 |
| cmaloney | YEah, dist-upgrade gets the latest kernel packages and other left-behind packages | 13:41 |
| cmaloney | (technical term) | 13:41 |
| jrwren | nope. | 13:44 |
| jrwren | apt upgrade does that for you automatically | 13:44 |
| jrwren | AFAIK, there is no reason to run dist-upgrade in ubuntu. | 13:44 |
| jrwren | in fact, that is why there is no dist-upgrade on the apt command. | 13:44 |
| jrwren | dist-upgrade is for bouncing between debian versions, mostly for running debian unstable or testing where package versions can be wonky. | 13:45 |
| waldo323_ | is the answers here outdated? https://askubuntu.com/questions/194651/why-use-apt-get-upgrade-instead-of-apt-get-dist-upgrade | 13:49 |
| ColonelPanic001 | amazing that there's no reason to do it | 13:49 |
| ColonelPanic001 | since I do | 13:49 |
| ColonelPanic001 | and it works | 13:49 |
| ColonelPanic001 | ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ | 13:49 |
| ColonelPanic001 | just muscle memory at this point | 13:49 |
| ColonelPanic001 | sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade | 13:49 |
| ColonelPanic001 | which really is just me doing "ctrl+r dis <enter> | 13:50 |
| jrwren | at some point ubuntu started doing the `apt update` via cron, at least daily. | 13:53 |
| jrwren | and `apt upgrade` is all ya need. | 13:53 |
| jrwren | waldo323_: yes, i don't believe that accepted answer is actually correct. | 13:54 |
| jrwren | I certaily ain't saying that dist-upgrade broke anything. I'm saying there is little point to it. That is all. | 14:02 |
| cmaloney | I think I see the difference | 14:06 |
| cmaloney | since apt is a different command than apt-get | 14:06 |
| cmaloney | which still does the "classic" behavior | 14:06 |
| cmaloney | whereas apt upgrade does kernel upgrades as well | 14:07 |
| jrwren | ubuntu does the kernel upgrades as well, period. | 14:09 |
| jrwren | because of the way ubuntu packages things. | 14:09 |
| jrwren | dist-upgrade is really a debianism. | 14:09 |
| jrwren | at least, AFAICT. | 14:09 |
| jrwren | I'm no expert :) | 14:09 |
| ColonelPanic001 | yeah I started doing dist-ugprade back on debian | 14:17 |
| jrwren | me too. | 14:18 |
| jrwren | it works great there. I used to bounce between testing and unstable on my PWS | 14:18 |
| jrwren | and when it would get stuck, I'd manually fix some package scripts and it would keep on going. | 14:18 |
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