[11:24] <waldo323_> good morning
[12:00] <jrwren> good morning
[12:37] <notlikethesoup> good morning
[12:49] <ColonelPanic001> anyone else use kubuntu (or probably just kde in general)? I dist-upgraded yesterday, and ever since now conky and yakuake appear to run, but not be visible
[12:54] <jrwren> that sucks.
[12:54] <jrwren> what if you launch them from a terminal window?
[12:55] <ColonelPanic001> behaves normally then, too... except it's not visible
[12:56] <ColonelPanic001> it's not quite a crisis for me, but it is a bit annoying
[12:56] <ColonelPanic001> [mike:~] 127 $ yakuake
[12:56] <ColonelPanic001> QDBusConnection: session D-Bus connection created before QCoreApplication. Application may misbehave.
[12:56] <ColonelPanic001> QDBusConnection: session D-Bus connection created before QCoreApplication. Application may misbehave.
[12:56] <notlikethesoup> mm the only ubuntu derivatives i've used are xubuntu and ubuntu-gnome
[12:56] <ColonelPanic001> Yakuake is already running, toggling window ...
[12:56] <ColonelPanic001> to be overly specific.
[12:58] <jrwren> what if you pkill yakuake and then start it from terminal?
[12:58] <jrwren> did its keybinding change?
[12:59] <ColonelPanic001> nah, it's there - in fact, I can click it. I just realized that part - if I hit f12 (my key for it), and then click where it would be, the window I was in loses focus, I can run a command, etc. It's... there. Just can't see it. weird.
[13:00] <jrwren> very weird.
[13:00] <ColonelPanic001> I'm lazy, trying reinstalling it. tiny package anyway, and meh
[13:00] <ColonelPanic001> I dont' expect it to help, but whatever
[13:00] <ColonelPanic001> yeah, same. meh
[13:01] <ColonelPanic001> honestly probably not worth the time now. meh. Thanks for trying, though
[13:02] <jrwren> is there a settings file or dir you can move out of the way?
[13:02] <jrwren> $HOME/.kakuake or $HOME/.config/kakuake ?
[13:08] <ColonelPanic001> can't hurt to try
[13:09] <ColonelPanic001> eh, it's all of three entries, nothing relevant. trying anyway because can't hurt, still
[13:10] <ColonelPanic001> yeah, no effect
[13:10] <ColonelPanic001> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
[13:10] <ColonelPanic001> I wonder if just something about a certain window class or something is treated differently in an update
[13:10] <ColonelPanic001> seems odd that it's two different programs getting the same thing
[13:11] <cmaloney> Perhaps it's getting different arguments?
[13:11] <ColonelPanic001> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
[13:11] <ColonelPanic001> conky runs just off it's config, I'm not running it with any arguments on the cli at least
[13:11] <ColonelPanic001> same with yakuake, afaik
[13:12] <cmaloney> I mean when it gets launched
[13:12] <cmaloney> like there might be some other profile or something that it is selecting
[13:14] <ColonelPanic001> maybe? doesn't seem it, but hey, it's not like I've got a better idea
[13:14] <ColonelPanic001> I don't know desktop stuff all that well, especially any more
[13:15] <ColonelPanic001> the dist-upgrade taketh away, perhaps a future one will giveth
[13:16] <ColonelPanic001> if i had time to f around with desktop stuff I would run something more interesting than ancient LTS Kubuntu
[13:16] <ColonelPanic001> but here I sit. Kubuntu 16.04
[13:32] <jrwren> wait... this recent "upgrade" was *to* 16.04 ?
[13:33] <jrwren> i wonder if do-release-upgrade would have done some magic that dist-upgrade didn't.
[13:38] <ColonelPanic001> oh, sorry, no - this was just a apt-get dist-upgrade, not literally upgrading the distro
[13:39] <jrwren> why would you ever run dist-upgrade on ubuntu?
[13:40] <waldo323_> doesn't that grab latest kernel etc?
[13:41] <cmaloney> YEah, dist-upgrade gets the latest kernel packages and other left-behind packages
[13:41] <cmaloney> (technical term)
[13:44] <jrwren> nope.
[13:44] <jrwren> apt upgrade does that for you automatically
[13:44] <jrwren> AFAIK, there is no reason to run dist-upgrade in ubuntu.
[13:44] <jrwren> in fact, that is why there is no dist-upgrade on the apt command.
[13:45] <jrwren> dist-upgrade is for bouncing between debian versions, mostly for running debian unstable or testing where package versions can be wonky.
[13:49] <waldo323_> is the answers here outdated? https://askubuntu.com/questions/194651/why-use-apt-get-upgrade-instead-of-apt-get-dist-upgrade
[13:49] <ColonelPanic001> amazing that there's no reason to do it
[13:49] <ColonelPanic001> since I do
[13:49] <ColonelPanic001> and it works
[13:49] <ColonelPanic001> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
[13:49] <ColonelPanic001> just muscle memory at this point
[13:49] <ColonelPanic001> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[13:50] <ColonelPanic001> which really is just me doing "ctrl+r dis <enter>
[13:53] <jrwren> at some point ubuntu started doing the `apt update` via cron, at least daily.
[13:53] <jrwren> and `apt upgrade` is all ya need.
[13:54] <jrwren> waldo323_: yes, i don't believe that accepted answer is actually correct.
[14:02] <jrwren> I certaily ain't saying that dist-upgrade broke anything. I'm saying there is little point to it. That is all.
[14:06] <cmaloney> I think I see the difference
[14:06] <cmaloney> since apt is a different command than apt-get
[14:06] <cmaloney> which still does the "classic" behavior
[14:07] <cmaloney> whereas apt upgrade does kernel upgrades as well
[14:09] <jrwren> ubuntu does the kernel upgrades as well, period.
[14:09] <jrwren> because of the way ubuntu packages things.
[14:09] <jrwren> dist-upgrade is really a debianism.
[14:09] <jrwren> at least, AFAICT.
[14:09] <jrwren> I'm no expert :)
[14:17] <ColonelPanic001> yeah I started doing dist-ugprade back on debian
[14:18] <jrwren> me too.
[14:18] <jrwren> it works great there. I used to bounce between testing and unstable on my PWS
[14:18] <jrwren> and when it would get stuck, I'd manually fix some package scripts and it would keep on going.