[11:24] good morning [12:00] good morning [12:37] good morning [12:49] anyone else use kubuntu (or probably just kde in general)? I dist-upgraded yesterday, and ever since now conky and yakuake appear to run, but not be visible [12:54] that sucks. [12:54] what if you launch them from a terminal window? [12:55] behaves normally then, too... except it's not visible [12:56] it's not quite a crisis for me, but it is a bit annoying [12:56] [mike:~] 127 $ yakuake [12:56] QDBusConnection: session D-Bus connection created before QCoreApplication. Application may misbehave. [12:56] QDBusConnection: session D-Bus connection created before QCoreApplication. Application may misbehave. [12:56] mm the only ubuntu derivatives i've used are xubuntu and ubuntu-gnome [12:56] Yakuake is already running, toggling window ... [12:56] to be overly specific. [12:58] what if you pkill yakuake and then start it from terminal? [12:58] did its keybinding change? [12:59] nah, it's there - in fact, I can click it. I just realized that part - if I hit f12 (my key for it), and then click where it would be, the window I was in loses focus, I can run a command, etc. It's... there. Just can't see it. weird. [13:00] very weird. [13:00] I'm lazy, trying reinstalling it. tiny package anyway, and meh [13:00] I dont' expect it to help, but whatever [13:00] yeah, same. meh [13:01] honestly probably not worth the time now. meh. Thanks for trying, though [13:02] is there a settings file or dir you can move out of the way? [13:02] $HOME/.kakuake or $HOME/.config/kakuake ? [13:08] can't hurt to try [13:09] eh, it's all of three entries, nothing relevant. trying anyway because can't hurt, still [13:10] yeah, no effect [13:10] ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ [13:10] I wonder if just something about a certain window class or something is treated differently in an update [13:10] seems odd that it's two different programs getting the same thing [13:11] Perhaps it's getting different arguments? [13:11] ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ [13:11] conky runs just off it's config, I'm not running it with any arguments on the cli at least [13:11] same with yakuake, afaik [13:12] I mean when it gets launched [13:12] like there might be some other profile or something that it is selecting [13:14] maybe? doesn't seem it, but hey, it's not like I've got a better idea [13:14] I don't know desktop stuff all that well, especially any more [13:15] the dist-upgrade taketh away, perhaps a future one will giveth [13:16] if i had time to f around with desktop stuff I would run something more interesting than ancient LTS Kubuntu [13:16] but here I sit. Kubuntu 16.04 [13:32] wait... this recent "upgrade" was *to* 16.04 ? [13:33] i wonder if do-release-upgrade would have done some magic that dist-upgrade didn't. [13:38] oh, sorry, no - this was just a apt-get dist-upgrade, not literally upgrading the distro [13:39] why would you ever run dist-upgrade on ubuntu? [13:40] doesn't that grab latest kernel etc? [13:41] YEah, dist-upgrade gets the latest kernel packages and other left-behind packages [13:41] (technical term) [13:44] nope. [13:44] apt upgrade does that for you automatically [13:44] AFAIK, there is no reason to run dist-upgrade in ubuntu. [13:44] in fact, that is why there is no dist-upgrade on the apt command. [13:45] dist-upgrade is for bouncing between debian versions, mostly for running debian unstable or testing where package versions can be wonky. [13:49] is the answers here outdated? https://askubuntu.com/questions/194651/why-use-apt-get-upgrade-instead-of-apt-get-dist-upgrade [13:49] amazing that there's no reason to do it [13:49] since I do [13:49] and it works [13:49] ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ [13:49] just muscle memory at this point [13:49] sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade [13:50] which really is just me doing "ctrl+r dis [13:53] at some point ubuntu started doing the `apt update` via cron, at least daily. [13:53] and `apt upgrade` is all ya need. [13:54] waldo323_: yes, i don't believe that accepted answer is actually correct. [14:02] I certaily ain't saying that dist-upgrade broke anything. I'm saying there is little point to it. That is all. [14:06] I think I see the difference [14:06] since apt is a different command than apt-get [14:06] which still does the "classic" behavior [14:07] whereas apt upgrade does kernel upgrades as well [14:09] ubuntu does the kernel upgrades as well, period. [14:09] because of the way ubuntu packages things. [14:09] dist-upgrade is really a debianism. [14:09] at least, AFAICT. [14:09] I'm no expert :) [14:17] yeah I started doing dist-ugprade back on debian [14:18] me too. [14:18] it works great there. I used to bounce between testing and unstable on my PWS [14:18] and when it would get stuck, I'd manually fix some package scripts and it would keep on going.