[00:04] <pete__> Hi guys! I have had a really bad experience with Ubuntu cosmic, though it was an upgrade from 18.04. Have any of you experience similar issues and do you think that it's still worth a shot?
[00:05] <oerheks> cosmic is in development, ..
[00:06] <nacc> pete__: it's not out yet ... not until october.
[00:06] <nacc> pete__: you shouldn't run it unless you absolutely know what you are doing
[00:07] <oerheks> updates every day, not for production, but oke
[00:10] <pete__> Cool, any idea concerning new possible features in this anticipated release?
[00:18] <tomreyn> pete__: here's some speculation https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2018/06/ubuntu-18-10-release-date-features
[00:21] <tomreyn> pete__: and actual planning https://blog.ubuntu.com/2018/05/18/desktop-plans-for-18-10
[00:24] <greatgatsby> ... we propose to ship Chromium only as a snap from 18.10 onwards, and also to retire Chromium as a deb in Trusty    :-(
[00:26] <Lord-Kamina> So... I created a ppa in launchpad, but I cannot add it as a repository because apparently the key doesn't exist anywhere.
[00:26] <Lord-Kamina> Does anybody know how I could fix this?
[00:27] <oerheks> Lord-Kamina, what ppa exactly? sudo add-apt-repository ppa:<name>  would import the key
[00:28] <tomreyn> Lord-Kamina: you add the key to your ppa. more questions? launchpad is #launchpad , ubuntu application development is #ubuntu-app-devel
[00:28] <Lord-Kamina> Yeah but the key is not in the server. :|
[00:28] <Lord-Kamina> Thanks.
[00:28] <oerheks> and write a /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ <name>.file
[00:30] <tomreyn> actually i think the apt signing key is generated by launchpad, and no longer as DSA-1 nowadays (doh!).
[00:31] <oerheks> oh correct, launchpad provides the key
[00:31] <oerheks> but we cannot check, without information.
[00:31] <oerheks> information is key :-P
[00:33] <msalvatore> Hi, all. I'm having some trouble getting the touchpad on my laptop working. It's an ASUS GL703GE. I've found a number of "solutions" that don't work for me. Someone else with the same laptop posted a ton of information here: https://askubuntu.com/questions/1038602/18-04-ite-8910-touchpad-on-asus-strix-gl703ge-not-working
[00:33] <msalvatore> Does anyone have any thoughts on what other steps I can take to try and get the touchpad working?
[00:34] <msalvatore> The touchpad is listed as an "ITE Device (8910)". More detail in the link above.
[00:36] <Lord-Kamina> https://launchpad.net/~litenstein/+archive/ubuntu/icu
[00:36] <Lord-Kamina> Key should be https://keyserver.ubuntu.com/pks/lookup?fingerprint=on&op=index&search=0x1E0A4B32AA748B9D11C4528301A509285F2EA337
[00:36] <Lord-Kamina> But it says not found.
[00:37] <oerheks> 18.04 uses  libinput touchpad driver by default instead of the older synaptics driver, which might work better.. sudo apt install xserver-xorg-input-synaptics # and reboot
[00:37] <oerheks> Lord-Kamina, it gives a signingkey, but Trusty only
[00:37] <oerheks> 4096R/1E0A4B32AA748B9D11C4528301A509285F2EA337
[00:38] <Lord-Kamina> It's my ppa, I created it yesterday, was trying to add it to my CI to debug what's failing with building the packages and I noticed the issue with the key.
[00:40] <msalvatore> oerheks: I tried that, but no luck. I think it might be an ELAN touchpad, I don't know if xserver-xorg-input-synaptics supports ELAN or only synaptic.
[00:41] <tomreyn> Lord-Kamina: what is "it" saying "not found"? btw. the backend server to https://keyserver.ubuntu.com seems to be experiencing difficulties, i get to see "error reading from remote server"
[00:43] <Lord-Kamina> The keyserver doesn't have the key, apparently.
[00:43] <Lord-Kamina> I meant the keyserver itself can't find the key, so obviously add-apt-repository cannot get it either.
[00:44] <tomreyn> Lord-Kamina: based on which output?
[00:44] <Lord-Kamina> https://keyserver.ubuntu.com/pks/lookup?fingerprint=on&op=index&search=0x1E0A4B32AA748B9D11C4528301A509285F2EA337 this.
[00:46] <tomreyn> Lord-Kamina: this returns the following to me: "502 Proxy Error [..] Reason: Error reading from remote server". which is a server internal error, i.e. communication between two servers failed within canonicals' infrastructure.
[00:46] <tomreyn> which was a topic in #canoical-sysadmin earlier today.
[00:47] <tomreyn> +n
[00:47] <Lord-Kamina> Ah. I get the actual error saying key not found.
[00:47] <Lord-Kamina> But I guess it's probably due to the same issue then.
[00:47] <tomreyn> i see, that's why i was asking about the error message
[00:47] <energizer> What's the best video player for ubuntu?
[00:48] <tomreyn> energizer: the one you like the most
[00:48] <energizer> tomreyn: that's not really helpful for me right now
[00:48] <bazhang> smplayer and vlc are popular ones
[00:48] <oerheks> energizer, there is no single best, vlc is mostly used, but i like mpv
[00:48] <bazhang> energizer, ^
[00:48] <tomreyn> energizer: probably not. ;) but the question is highly subjective, that's why i gave this answer
[00:49] <oerheks> gnome-mpv that is, with full controls
[00:49] <bazhang> or smplayer with mpv
[00:49] <energizer> tomreyn: fair enoguh
[00:49] <energizer> thanks all
[00:49] <bazhang> welcome
[01:13] <granttrec> anyone use gento prefix here? in the startprefix script I get a bash error about a less pipe: bash: eval: line 31: `Usage: lesspipe <file>'
[01:13] <granttrec> should I fix it or am I doing something wrong?
[02:19] <stopc> hi all, can i ask some questions here related to ubuntu server configuration ?
[02:21] <tomreyn> stopc: sure, there is also #ubuntu-server, but i guess either works
[02:21] <Ubu-1604> bbl...
[02:22] <stopc> tomreyn: I trying to set up on ubuntu 18.04 server knockd to start on bootup, but it doesn't currently and i have to start it normally, for some reason service enable and defaults doesn't work and when i reboot it still doesn't start on boot
[02:23] <tomreyn> stopc: this package https://packages.ubuntu.com/bionic/knockd or a 3rd party one?
[02:24] <tomreyn> this package comes with /lib/systemd/system/knockd.service
[02:24] <stopc> tomreyn: yep 0.7 exactly it
[02:25] <stopc> yes
[02:25] <stopc> tomreyn: its all set and working properly, but i want it to start automatically on bootup and it currently doesn't i need to start it manually
[02:26] <dqsii> Had a question I added the gnome extension applications menu but it wont do anything when i click on it in 18.04 bionic beaver
[02:28] <tomreyn> stopc: so you need to either just "sudo systemctl enable knockd.service", or if it doesn't define the boot target then you need place symlinks defining this target in / etc/systemd/system/
[02:29] <tomreyn> here's one of many explanations of how systemd works https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/how-to-use-systemctl-to-manage-systemd-services-and-units
[02:29] <stopc> tomreyn: i was doing enable but with service not systemctl
[02:29] <tomreyn> 'service' is a compatibility layer, use systemctl directly for systemd
[02:30] <tomreyn> (not to be mixed up with sysctl ;-) )
[02:31] <tomreyn> dqsii: about gnome extensions, you'd best ask on gnome support channels. they're at irc.gnome.org IIRC
[02:33] <stopc> tomreyn: i will look into it thanks
[02:34] <someone_> I have an old problem with wifi on Kubuntu, it speed decrease without reason and sometimes I lose the connection, Is there any package or a driver could help in that , I think it is a general problem, I remmber I have used opensuse and the same problem appeared, I'm not sure it is problem in the kernel or in KDE.
[02:37] <tomreyn> someone_: usually these are driver or hardware design issues. some drivers provide options to work around issues such as bluetooth coexistence (bluetooth and 'wireless' can share some frequencies).
[02:37] <tomreyn> someone_: which hardware do you have there?
[02:38] <someone_> I'm not sure How can I know ?
[02:38] <someone_> I have Hp pavilion g6 laptop .
[02:39] <tomreyn> someone_: nc termbin.com 9999 <( sudo lspci -nn; sudo lsusb; )
[02:39] <tomreyn> should return a http address, which you could post here
[02:41] <someone_> tomreyn Network controller [0280]: Ralink corp. RT3290 Wireless 802.11n 1T/1R PCIe [1814:3290]
[02:45] <tomreyn> someone_: does "lsmod | grep rt" list rt2800* or rt3290* ?
[02:49] <someone_> tomreyn rt2800
[02:50] <tomreyn> someone_: does "dmesg -T | grep rt2800" return what looks like warnings or errors on a regular basis?
[02:51] <scientes> how do i get the speed of my current ram without rebooting into UEFI?
[02:52] <someone_> dmesg -T | grep rt2800 this command do nothing
[02:54] <tomreyn> scientes: try this: sudo dmidecode --type memory
[02:54] <scientes> 	Speed: 1333 MT/s
[02:54] <scientes>  bingo
[02:55] <someone_> I have never used other interface maybe the problem with KDE.
[02:57] <scientes> so faster ram can always run slower?
[02:58] <tomreyn> someone_: can you post: modinfo rt2800pci | grep ^parm
[02:59] <tomreyn> having trouble finding it
[02:59] <someone_> sure.
[03:00] <someone_> tomreyn parm: nohwcrypt:Disable hardware encryption. (bool)
[03:00] <S1MPLYR3DD> .close
[03:01] <tomreyn> someone_: hmm that's not a lot of options.
[03:01] <someone_> that is the result .
[03:02] <tomreyn> scientes: yes, and has to, if there's slower ram in there. still they need to be compatible to one another and the mainboard
[03:02] <tomreyn> someone_: i don't doubt it, i'm just meaining to say this means we can't really configure anything there.
[03:03] <someone_> I have never tried another interface Do you think it is a problem with KDE only ?
[03:04] <tomreyn> someone_: in case the issue is not with your wireless card but with the router, you might just want to restart it. but i came across other people reporting that it gets slower, so it's probably a driver / firmware issue
[03:04] <tomreyn> someone_: it most likely has nothing to do with kde, no
[03:05] <tomreyn> someone_: that's unless your computer becomes much slower generally while you run KDE, then it *might*.
[03:07] <someone_> tomreyn Ok , Thank you so much Thomas .
[03:07] <tomreyn> someone_: look here (last post), might be worth a try, too: https://askubuntu.com/questions/405644/slow-wireless-with-rt2800pci
[03:08] <amanda_> hi
[03:12] <tomreyn> someone_: so disabling power management seems to help
[03:28] <someone_> tomreyn I will try, Thank you again .
[03:29] <tomreyn> :) good luck
[03:31] <Sheilong> Please guys, how can I copy an entire folder from a remote shared folder ?
[03:31] <Sheilong> I am using smbclient
[03:51] <Shmam> I have modified my fstab to mount a ntfs usb hard drive as `/media/networkdrive0` When I try to delete a file, it says that it cannot find or create trash directory. I have created a `.Trash-1000` directory with the three subfolders inside of `/media/networkdrive0` and chmodded them as 777 but I still can't delete files.
[03:53] <Shmam> nevermind, I needed to modify my fstab oops
[03:55] <Shmam> How do I actually view the items in the trash? If I try to `cd .Trash-1000` it says that its not a directory
[03:56] <tomreyn> Shmam: then what is it: stat .Trash-1000
[03:57] <tomreyn> also you said you created this directory?
[03:57] <Shmam> Yeah I created it
[03:57] <Shmam> says that it has a size of 0
[03:58] <Shmam> after I just deleted something
[04:01] <tomreyn> it probably is a directory. stat would tell
[04:03] <Shmam> hmm
[04:03] <Shmam> yeah when I delete something, it's just gone forever
[04:03] <Shmam> I tried making `files`, `info`, and `directorysizes` dirs inside of it but that didnt work
[04:04] <tomreyn> yeah you're not supposed to create those manually
[04:05] <Sir_Andrei> Hi
[04:06] <tomreyn> Shmam: graphical file browsers would create those, such as nautilus. but personally i dislike those.
[04:06] <tomreyn> the .Trash directories, lesser so the graphical file / directory browsers
[04:07] <Shmam> so it will only delete to there if I delete it from one of the guis?
[04:09] <tomreyn> right
[04:09] <Shmam> oh thats fun
[04:10] <tomreyn> it is an attempt to console non console users
[04:14] <my_mind> hey did anyone try iDrive scripts?
[04:16] <Fretegi> flyingtoaster.... is that like a steerman? ;)
[05:27] <blue1> !clonezilla | blue1
[05:27] <blue1> !clonezilla | blue1
[05:28] <lotuspsychje> !msgthebot > blue1
[05:28] <lotuspsychje> blue1: !info yourpackagename
[05:29] <blue1> thanks
[05:33] <blue1> i think the part I am missing is how do I create a boot disc for clonezilla.  I have never used it.
[05:34] <lotuspsychje> blue1: can this help: https://linuxconfig.org/using-clonezilla-beginner-and-advanced-approaches
[05:34] <blue1> thank you
[05:38] <lotuspsychje> blue1: or the clonezilla page: https://clonezilla.org/clonezilla-live.php
[05:39] <blue1> yeah I am there now.  I thought that the version available through the repo would create a bootable disc -- it does not.
[05:39] <lotuspsychje> blue1: and last but not least, there's a small #clonezilla channel too :p
[05:39] <lotuspsychje> blue1: perhaps take also a look into the manpage
[05:39] <blue1> thanks.  I have always used dd -- but this might be a better way to go.  I heard it does compression.
[05:39] <blue1> I shall.
[05:40] <blue1> sadly no man entry for clonezilla
[05:41] <blue1> I am going to try to backup a small 20G partition first
[05:42] <lotuspsychje> !backup | blue1 see also
[05:43] <lotuspsychje> blue1: rsync can also very usefull
[05:43] <lotuspsychje> be
[05:43] <blue1> yes
[05:44] <blue1> I use that to backup /home
[05:46] <blue1> here goes
[06:01] <ljc> hey i'm trying to add a brother wireless printer. i've edited /etc/printcap but `lpr -p` hangs
[06:05] <ljc> also using systemd to enable lpd.service gives a org.freedesktop.PolicyKit1 error (wasn't provided by any .service) -- but i don't have any desktop gui installed (no x11)
[06:07] <blue1> lotuspsychje: appears to have worked.  Thank you.  Tomorrow I will restore the partition and verify the backup.
[06:07] <lotuspsychje> !yay | blue1
[06:08] <blue1> A bit over 2G/min -- it took about 5 1/2 minutes
[06:34] <postmodern> can the intel C600/X79 raid controller be used as a true hardware raid controller, or do I have to set the drives to AHCI mode and use mdadm?
[06:51] <varaindemian> Hi, I installed Eclipse via sudo apt install eclipse. And now I get this https://www.hastebin.com/rejivawube.diff
[06:51] <varaindemian> InteliJ works perfect
[06:51] <varaindemian> but I don't know what's wrong with Eclipse
[06:52] <varaindemian> Ubuntu 18.04
[06:58] <tomreyn> varaindemian: try using an older jdk https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=891956
[06:58] <tomreyn> postmodern: onboard, fake raid, better use software raid.
[06:59] <jamie1> any idea why when run‌ning lxde some apps just show up as lxpanel?
[07:00] <jamie1> for example i use obs and its just showing up as lxpanel
[07:00] <dsaint> can I ask a quick question?
[07:00] <tater_> no
[07:00] <tomreyn> varaindemian: see also https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=252425
[07:00] <jamie1> im trying to find what command executes when i run obs (not just running obs in the command line) im trying to find the exact exacutable to trigger it via python
[07:01] <tomreyn> dsaint: of course, no need to ask to ask ;)
[07:01] <dsaint> i'm trying to install superdesk on ubuntu server 16.04 and I am constantly failing to do so
[07:01] <jamie1> i cant find the exact executable due to its just showing up as lxpanel when i run the pid through ps
[07:01] <tomreyn> jamie1: i don't know what obs is but try "which obs"
[07:02] <dsaint> on vps, on a local hyper v
[07:02] <varaindemian> tomreyn: I'll have a look
[07:02] <varaindemian> Thank you!
[07:02] <tomreyn> jamie1: try "ps ef | grep obs"
[07:02] <dsaint> but then I installed VirtualBox on my local machine and loaded an os boxes image and installed fine
[07:02] <jamie1> tomreyn: obs-studio is a standard package in the ubuntu repos and is a broadcast/recording software
[07:03] <tomreyn> dsaint: "superdesk" does not seem to be an ubuntu package
[07:03] <dsaint> is there any way to understand what is different in the osboxes and the standard image
[07:03] <tomreyn> jamie1: oh i've heard of obs-studio
[07:03] <EriC^^> jamie1: try "dpkg -L obs-studio | grep bin"
[07:04] <jamie1> its weird because when i look in user/share
[07:04] <jamie1> obs is listed but there is no bin in there just the locales
[07:04] <dsaint> tomeryn  this is superdesk https://github.com/superdesk
[07:04] <dsaint> i am aware is not an official package its Opensource project
[07:05] <tomreyn> jamie1: https://packages.ubuntu.com/bionic/amd64/obs-studio/filelist
[07:06] <tomreyn> jamie1: or just what EriC^^ said
[07:06] <jamie1> than
[07:06] <jamie1> i thin‎k i found it
[07:06] <jamie1> let me pass it through python and see if it works
[07:06] <tomreyn> dsaint: get support from the developers
[07:07] <dsaint> tried but looks like is a slow process thanks tomreyn
[07:07] <tomreyn> dsaint: web applications not packages in ubuntu are beyond the scope of this channel, i'm afraid
[07:08] <tomreyn> *packageD
[07:08] <dsaint> I am trying to find if there is a way to know about the differences between the official iso and osboxes image
[07:08] <dsaint> :) thanks i know tomreyn
[07:11] <jamie1> tomreyn: and EriC^^ got it thanks!
[07:11] <jamie1> happened to just be obs with no extension in /usr/bin
[07:11] <jamie1> still not sure why the pid shows up and lxpanel
[07:13] <dsaint> thanks all --- out
[07:15] <jamie1> im thinking of writing a mycroft skill for controlling ubuntu
[07:15] <jamie1> would probably work across most ubuntu flavors
[07:43] <thorsten__> Client: HexChat 2.14.1 • OS: Ubuntu "bionic" 18.04 • CPU: Intel(R) Core(TM) i5 CPU       M 560  @ 2.67GHz (1,66GHz) • Memory: Physical: 7,5 GiB Total (6,1 GiB Free) Swap: 2,0 GiB Total (2,0 GiB Free) • Storage: 26,3 GB / 321,0 GB (294,7 GB Free) • VGA: NVIDIA Corporation GT216GLM [Quadro FX 880M] @ Intel Corporation 1st Generation Core i3/5/7 Processor Reserved •
[07:43] <thorsten__>  Uptime: 2h 18m 29s
[07:44] <lotuspsychje> !discuss | thorsten__
[08:21] <Bitcoiner69> hey how can i bridge a connection between two virtual machines
[08:21] <Bitcoiner69> For example one machine has openvpn and the other which has deluge on it tunnels through
[08:21] <Bitcoiner69> and if the openvpn instance goes offline then the other one doesn't have internet
[09:03] <xubuntu1804> xubuntu-18.04 -- Firefox Quantum ver: 61.0 (64-bit), how do I remove Language Packs which 'could not be verified for use in Firefox.' tnks
[09:05] <pinga> Trying to install windows 10 iso to a 32gb ntfs usb, but in the
[09:05] <pinga>                installation bootup my 32gb usb won't show up. Any ideas?
[09:11] <guiverc_d> xubuntu1804, i don't know, but try `apt list --installed |grep -i firefox` & maybe packages with firefox-locale- are the ones to remove...
[09:12] <oerheks> xubuntu1804, what tells you that?
[09:13] <xubuntu1804> firefox/bionic-updates,bionic-security,now 61.0+build3-0ubuntu0.18.04.1 amd64 [installed] firefox-locale-en/bionic-updates,bionic-security,now 61.0+build3-0ubuntu0.18.04.1 amd64 [installed]
[09:13] <guiverc_d> note on my last, i wasn't telling you to remove all that matched; only remove the ones that you know are not your own language; and you consider a problem...
[09:13] <oerheks> oh i found this post https://askubuntu.com/questions/1039485/firefox-language-pack-ubuntu-18-04
[09:14] <xubuntu1804> Firefox Quantum ver: 61.0 (64-bit), Add-ons Manager >> Languages
[09:14] <oerheks> edit extensions.langpacks.signatures.required or remove language packs, but i would not worry
[09:15] <oerheks> pinga, best idea: ask in ##windows
[09:15] <xubuntu1804> Be aware that this is a security risk because this will disable the signature check for all language packs (not normal addons tho).
[09:16] <oerheks> yes , so ignore this langua pack sign issue
[09:16] <oerheks> c/language
[09:17] <oerheks> or you might want to try out the snap version, maybe that one comes with signed packs
[09:18] <Diamondoh> Hi
[09:18] <Diamondoh> I need help with the installation of ubuntu
[09:18] <Diamondoh> I chose the manual partitioning and now i have two free space slots
[09:19] <xubuntu1804> I don't want Language Packs, and have Firefox crash problems, why do Canonical include these???
[09:19] <Diamondoh> How can i have only one free space slot
[09:21] <oerheks> xubuntu1804, those are standard, for a long time now, not just ubuntu only
[09:21] <oerheks> focus on your crashing firefox
[09:23] <EriC^^> Diamondoh: can you paste a screenshot so it's clearer?
[09:23] <xubuntu1804> focus on your crashing firefox, I'm, I would like to remove this crud code from FF
[09:27] <oerheks> hmm this bug seems 4 months old https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1446948
[09:27] <oerheks> maybe that is why FF61 took a week to publish
[09:29] <pinga> oerheks: I've asked in windows and it sounds as if it's to prevent me from not using enterprise windows to go
[09:29] <xubuntu1804> xubuntu-18.04 -- Firefox Quantum ver: 61.0 (64-bit) here??
 regression??
[09:30] <oerheks> xubuntu1804, seems so, yes
[09:30] <oerheks> i think the snap would be the same
[09:36] <xubuntu1804> can I remove:  firefox-locale-en  :~$ apt-cache show firefox-locale-en
[09:41] <xubuntu1804> Package: firefox-locale-en   Architecture: amd64   Version: 61.0+build3-0ubuntu0.18.04.1
[09:44] <xubuntu1804> Also, Package: firefox-locale-en     Architecture: amd64     Version: 59.0.2+build1-0ubuntu1   ??
[09:49] <xubuntu1804> Do I need to force apt-get -remove ->> Remove packages, OR apt-get -purge ->> Remove packages and config files  ??
[09:50] <oerheks> i think this will mess up firefox
[09:51] <xubuntu1804> Why two Package: firefox-locale-en , Version: 61.0+build3-0ubuntu0.18.04.1  AND  Version: 59.0.2+build1-0ubuntu1
[09:52] <oerheks> oh, that 59 should be removed, apt autoremove will do that
[09:52] <oerheks> should not conflict, thos 2 versions
 thanks, I will exit FF, autoremove the 59.0.2-package, and log back in to IRC to report
[10:39] <Navyak> anyone knows how to stop ruby http server? im running ubuntu in ec2
[10:39] <Navyak> I can't exit
 I, sudo apt-get remove firefox-locale-en , FF woks fine, got rid of the Language Packs
[10:40] <xubuntu1804> sudo apt-get install -f , Reading package lists... Done, Building dependency tree, Reading state information... Done, 0 to upgrade, 0 to newly install, 0 to remove and 0 not to upgrade.
[10:42] <blackflow> Navyak: tried stopping the service responsible for that httpd instance?
[10:43] <xubuntu1804> Opps! 'FF works fine', may even be a little faster!
[10:43] <Navyak> blackflow: i ran ruby -run -e httpd -- -p 5000 .
[10:44] <Navyak> forgot how to stop it lol
[10:45] <blackflow> Navyak: if that didn't daemonize in the background, try hitting Ctrl+C
[10:46] <blackflow> Navyak: otherwise you can use `kill` with the PID of the process, eg.  `kill 12345` where 12345 is the PID.
[10:46] <Navyak> yea i remmeber that but ctrl+c did it
 <-- Thank you for all of your help, it is much appreciated! Bye
[11:07] <hugo__> hi
[11:08] <lotuspsychje> welcome hugo__ how can we help you?
[11:08] <hugo__> no
[11:08] <hugo__> thank you
[11:09] <Navyak> lol idiot
[11:09] <lotuspsychje> Navyak: please no offensive language in the ubuntu channels
[11:10] <Navyak> ok
[11:14] <blackflow> or even better, no offensive language / attacks / abuse against other users.
[11:15] <Navyak> the user had quit
[11:15] <blackflow> nevertheless.
[11:44] <ittihatterakki> nerds
[11:48] <lotuspsychje> !language | ittihatterakki
[11:52] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[11:55] <system16> can i install another package manager ? cause this "software" thing sucks
[11:55] <coconut> mvvvpx[oCzUY=HlaDZ
[11:55] <lotuspsychje> system16: gdebi, synaptic
[11:55] <lotuspsychje> coconut: can we help you?
[11:56] <system16> apt-get install synaptic ?
[11:56] <coconut> no i just did something wrong. (testing autotype feature)
[11:57] <lotuspsychje> system16: yes, with sudo
[11:57] <system16> ok thabks
[11:57] <system16> thanks*
[11:58] <system16> what ? it says i have it
[12:12] <revenant> I have a friend claiming Ubuntu's prioprietary, locked-in filth.  I've always been happy with it and haven't seen any restrictions.  Any truth to her claims?
[12:12] <lotuspsychje> revenant: we dont take polls here mate
[12:12] <lotuspsychje> !discuss | revenant
[12:13] <iced-tea> have anyone ever get Office 2013/Office 2016 install on Ubuntu 18.04 via Wine?  I've tried playonlinux, q4wine, wintrick etc, and none of them work
[12:13] <revenant> Cheers.
[12:15] <lotuspsychje> HaMsTeRs:  2007 and 2013 should work over wine
[12:15] <lotuspsychje> hame
[12:16] <HaMsTeRs> I tried 2013, and the setup was hung.   after diggng into the log, I found that there's an error like truefont or something
[12:17] <HaMsTeRs> and there's a forum that mentioned to remove libz.so from linux-18 lib directory, but that doesn't work for me
[12:17] <lotuspsychje> HaMsTeRs: there are also ms office webbased apps for ubuntu also
[12:18] <HaMsTeRs> yes, but that's a bit slo
[12:18] <HaMsTeRs> slow
[12:18] <HaMsTeRs> also I sometimes work offline while onsite
[12:18] <lotuspsychje> HaMsTeRs: cant you do your work from libreoffice?
[12:18] <HaMsTeRs> tried that, but couldn't replace MS offiec
[12:18] <lotuspsychje> HaMsTeRs: replace no, but compatible, yes
[12:18] <HaMsTeRs> also found some docs with spacing and format issue
[12:19] <HaMsTeRs> I work a lot of docs, and I need MS Office.    this is the only apps I need, other than that, ubuntu can totally replace my windows box
[12:20] <lotuspsychje> HaMsTeRs: another way around, try virtualbox with windows and office?
[12:20] <HaMsTeRs> that runs very slow
[12:21] <HaMsTeRs> tried that already
[12:21] <lotuspsychje> HaMsTeRs: on your system perhaps yes
[12:21] <lotuspsychje> !wine | HaMsTeRs see also
[12:21] <lotuspsychje> HaMsTeRs: check the wine channel, perhaps they might know why you cant run them over wine
[12:21] <HaMsTeRs> ubottu: Yes, and I encounter error while installing 2013
[12:21] <HaMsTeRs> doesn't seem tos upport
[12:22] <HaMsTeRs> thanks
[12:32] <user__> hi
[12:32] <user__> anyone here
[12:32] <unholymachine> yeah
[12:32] <user__> very cool, i have a question regarding installation
[12:32] <user__> i have a windows installation and i want to install ubuntu along it
[12:33] <user__> when i pick the normal installation mode, i get the options to use a full disk encryption with password
[12:33] <user__> however, i need to pick manual to select the free disk space, and then it does not encrypt my data
[12:33] <user__> how can i have the manual installation but still have that installation be encypted?
[12:34] <unholymachine> you can't use full disk encryption
[12:34] <user__> what are my alternatives then?
[12:34] <unholymachine> you can only encrypt partitions if you are planning on dual booting
[12:35] <user__> my goal is to have the linux installation be encrypted
[12:35] <user__> so that my data stays protected when my laptop is off
[12:35] <unholymachine> search askubuntu.com for "how can i install ubuntu encrypted with luks with dual boot"
[12:36] <lotuspsychje> unholymachine: please dont forward users to search the web
[12:36] <unholymachine> the answer is too long to give over irc
[12:36] <lotuspsychje> unholymachine: thats what #ubuntu is for, to support users
[12:37] <unholymachine> maybe you could tell me how better to support this user in this case?
[12:37] <user__> It is a complicated issue it seems
[12:37] <unholymachine> yes
[12:38] <user__> is there no "easy" way to do this? I have a single ssd that i want to run windows and linux on
[12:38] <lotuspsychje> unholymachine: we have other factoids, like dualboot and encryption, there are also other volunteers that can think along here
[12:38] <user__> and i want both to be protected (encrypted)
[12:39] <unholymachine> you can't use the ubuntu installer to encrypt both partitions
[12:39] <TheTrobz> that's true
[12:39] <unholymachine> you need to pick one or the other
[12:39] <unholymachine> actually, you can only pick the linux one
[12:39] <user__> with one or the other you mean the OS?
[12:40] <user__> well with windows there are solutions like bitlocker and veracrypt / truecrypt
[12:40] <unholymachine> iirc windows doesn't have a full disk encryption scheme that's on par with what linux provides
[12:41] <TheTrobz> i need help
[12:41] <lotuspsychje> !ask | TheTrobz
[12:41] <unholymachine> and even if it did, they would most likely not work in concert
[12:42] <TheTrobz> why my wifi icon does not appear
[12:42] <TheTrobz> :(
[12:42] <user__> I see, so having 2 operating systems on the same disk "securely" is a huge issue basically
[12:42] <lotuspsychje> TheTrobz: we need a bit more details to be able to help you
[12:42] <lotuspsychje> !details | TheTrobz
[12:42] <unholymachine> user__: yes
[12:43] <TheTrobz> ok,wait
[12:43] <unholymachine> user__: if you want full disk encryption then linux is your only choice of OS
[12:43] <unholymachine> or maybe macOS, although i'm not experienced in that os
[12:44] <unholymachine> for the PC, linux is the only OS that provides this feature
[12:45] <user__> how about the SSD itself
[12:45] <user__> dont they usually have disk encyption enabled?
[12:45] <user__> the goal is to ensure that my data is protected when the laptop is off
[12:46] <user__> once it is on, i should enter a decryption password and boot like normally
[12:46] <unholymachine> does your ssd have hardware based FDE?
[12:47] <unholymachine> what you want to do requires a third operating system that encrypts your hard drive
[12:47] <unholymachine> afaik such an operating system does not exist yet
[12:48] <blackflow> personally, I'd rather trust LUKS than closed blackbox hardware encryption.... https://threatpost.com/academics-find-critical-flaws-in-self-encrypting-hardware-drives/115103/
[12:48] <unholymachine> blackflow: true
[12:48] <unholymachine> only one unchangeable key , forever
[12:50] <user__> blackflow: I'd rather trust linux for that too, however it seems like the only practical solution if i have to have both windows and linux on the same disk
[12:50] <unholymachine> user__: the question is , does your ssd support it
[12:51] <user__> how do i know? I dont even know the ssd model thats inside my laptop
[12:51] <unholymachine> open your laptop and see what is in side
[12:51] <blackflow> user__: depends. one can have fully encrypted Ubuntu  installation ont he same disk with unencrypted windows, or whatever windows does to encrypt data, I don't know.
[12:52] <Guest52234> I installed ubuntu onto a flash drive on my computer and am 100% sure I did not nuke windows
[12:52] <Guest52234> but now I can't boot into windows.
[12:52] <Guest52234> how can I fix grub to have windows boot?
[12:53] <unholymachine> ubuntu is installed on a flash drive?
[12:53] <unholymachine> it's not installed on the same HDD as windows?
[12:53] <Guest52234> yup
[12:53] <Guest52234> not on the hd
[12:53] <unholymachine> where did you install grub?
[12:53] <user__> blackflow: wait that works??
[12:54] <user__> i can have an encrypted ubuntu installation along windows?
[12:54] <unholymachine> user__: yes the article i referred you to describes that
[12:54] <Guest52234> well that part I am less sure of, I *thought* everything was on the flash drive
[12:54] <blackflow> user__: yes, why not? of course, /boot won't be encrypted, but that's irrelevant -- the idea is to protect data (of the OS and user data) at rest
[12:54] <user__> you did?
[12:55] <unholymachine> Guest52234: one needs to install grub to the MBR in dual boot scenarios
[12:55] <unholymachine> what seems to have happened is that you installed grub to the usb stick
[12:55] <user__> could you link me to the article again? I cant seem to find any links to that in here
[12:55] <unholymachine> that's just a guess though
[12:56] <unholymachine> search askubuntu.com for "how can i install ubuntu encrypted with luks with dual boot"
[12:56] <user__> how would the order look like? I am fine with re-installing
[12:56] <unholymachine> if you google that with quotes it's the 1st result
[12:56] <user__> you mean this one?
[12:56] <user__> https://askubuntu.com/questions/293028/how-can-i-install-ubuntu-encrypted-with-luks-with-dual-boot
[12:56] <unholymachine> yes
[12:57] <Guest52234> unholymachine: As I barely understand grub I will not argue except to say I did this before and it worked ok, I could press the f key on my comp and get a boot menu, select the linux/flash drive and be on my way
[12:57] <unholymachine> when did you do this? what kind of bios did you have legacy or UEFI ?
[12:57] <blackflow> note one thing, FDE -- FULL Disk Encryption -- is a bit of a misnomer. if you want FULL, then you need hardware support all the way down from bios/efi. otherwise it's not FULL as long as the loader in bios_boot is not encrypted, that's where the "full" trust chain breaks.
[12:58] <Guest52234> unholymachine: now when I leave the f key alone it does not go to windows, and when I do go to the boot menu I see the hard drive there but when I slected it nothing happens
[12:58] <Guest52234> unholymachine: its UEFI I believe
[12:58] <blackflow> but for "close enough", FDE means rootfs and everything else, beside the boot logistics of /boot (though grub can work with encrypted /boot too, but I don't know if that works under EFI)
[12:58] <Guest52234> unholymachine: almost sure
[12:59] <unholymachine> Guest52234: when you did it and it worked, was it on the same computer ?
[12:59] <Guest52234> yes. and I can't figure out what i did diff
[13:00] <Guest52234> unholymachine: other than before it was ubuntu 17 now this is 18
[13:00] <unholymachine> you most likely missinstalled grub
[13:00] <Guest52234> unholymachine: yeah, i'm inclinded to agree. how can I reinstall it or regenerate a boot setup?
[13:00] <Guest52234> unholymachine: is that possible?
[13:01] <unholymachine> i would rebuild your MBR so you get windows to boot and try installing to usb again. also, why are you installing to usb ? why not just have a live OS with persistence on the usb?
[13:01] <Guest52234> its a work comp so I can't install another os
[13:01] <user__> blackflow: I am ok with that part of encryption
[13:02] <Guest52234> unholymachine: is it possible to rebuild my mbr from linux?
[13:02] <unholymachine> Guest52234: i understand what you want to do. what you want is a live ubuntu usb with persistence
[13:03] <Guest52234> unholymachine: yeah, pretty much
[13:03] <unholymachine> Guest52234: you need a windows install disk to fix your windows mbr
[13:03] <Guest52234> unholymachine: doh. need to find a win machine :(
[13:04] <Guest52234> unholymachine my gf has one so I will head over there, but when you mentioned the persistant install, is there a better way to do that?
[13:05] <unholymachine> i've read of a way to do it in linux but i've never done it myself
[13:05] <unholymachine> you have a liveCD/DVD?
[13:06] <Guest52234> unholymachine: ah well, I seem to remember it being a thing in tails but didn't give it much thought. Will lookinto it though. Thanks for the help!
[13:06] <unholymachine> how did you install to usb?
[13:06] <unholymachine> what installation media did you use?
[13:07] <unholymachine> if you still have that installation media you can attempt the method i read about
[13:08] <unholymachine> there is also the "boot-repair disk" that you can flash to a USB and try that
[13:08] <unholymachine> but the best way would be to use the windows installation disk
[13:09] <unholymachine> there's also "super grub disk" that supposedly also fixes windows MBR issues after unsuccessful linux installs
[13:11] <GwaiLo> Hi, I've just been trying to upgrade 16.04 -> 18.04. I successfully downloaded 2411/2414 packages, but it fails right at the end with 3 packages unable to be downloaded (e.g. Failed to fetch http://au.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/g/gtkmm3.0/libgtkmm-3.0-1v5_3.22.2-2_amd64.deb 403  Forbidden). It's saved all the rest, but I've tried it twice and it gets stuck again. Is there a way to fix this / change the host I'm downloading from without
[13:11] <GwaiLo> re-downloading all 2000 packages again?
[13:14] <unholymachine> GwaiLo: how are you upgrading?
[13:14] <unholymachine> GwaiLo: are you using apt?
[13:15] <GwaiLo> unholymachine: sudo update-manager -cd
[13:15] <unholymachine> GwaiLo: it's sudo apt dist-upgrade (after you do update and upgrade)
[13:16] <unholymachine> after you're done you do sudo apt autoremove
[13:18] <GwaiLo> unholymachine, ah ok, I was following this article : https://websiteforstudents.com/upgrading-ubuntu-16-04-desktop-to-18-04-beta/
[13:18] <GwaiLo> unholymachine, It seems like update-manager is doing almost the same thing, isn't it likely I'll get the same 403 forbidden errors again using apt dist-upgrade?
[13:19] <unholymachine> apt does not re-download packages that have already been downloaded afaik
[13:19] <GwaiLo> unholymachine, ok thanks. I'll give it a go. Appreciate the help
[13:19] <unholymachine> np
[13:22] <unholymachine> yeah, that article seems like it was written to show that you can do something that takes , at the maximum, three terminal entries with the gui (and still have to use the terminal anyway)
[13:24] <GwaiLo> unholymachine, I kinda figured. I went down a rabbit hole on something else and this looked simple to solve my problem. I've ended up deciding to upgrade simply so I can change my status bar in my window manager :)
[13:25] <unholymachine> so what was it that you were trying to do originally that made you want to upgrade to 18?
[13:25] <unholymachine> change the status bar in your window manager?
[13:26] <GwaiLo> unholymachine, I was trying to get py3status as my status bar in the i3 window manager. Found out the reason I couldn't get it on ubuntu was due to it only being available in ubuntu 17 & 18
[13:26] <daiana> esiste in lingua italiana?
[13:26] <unholymachine> ahh
[13:28] <unholymachine> GwaiLo: where did you read this?
[13:28] <unholymachine> GwaiLo: where did you read that it's only available in 17&18?
[13:29] <GwaiLo> unholymachine, I'll need to go looking, it was on an FAQ somewhere. I searched packages.debian.org on the xenial repos looking at unstable / testing and couldn't find it in the all packages list
[13:30] <GwaiLo> unholymachine, https://www.reddit.com/r/linuxquestions/comments/7y2svb/i3wm_ubuntu_cant_find_py3status/
[13:30] <unholymachine> oh you're attempting to install it from the package manager
[13:30] <GwaiLo> unholymachine, was only 4 months ago and coupled with being unable to see it on packages.debian.org I thought I'd confirmed it was correct
[13:30] <unholymachine> you can install it without having it show up in the package manager
[13:31] <GwaiLo> I thought it was generally considered a bad idea to compile things myself when on an apt based linux
[13:31] <GwaiLo> and I don't know enough yet to be confident otherwise
[13:31] <unholymachine> ah, yes, it is slightly more involved.
[13:31] <unholymachine> gotcha
[13:33] <GwaiLo> unholymachine, I've done the apt update && apt-upgrade successfully. When I do apt dist-upgrade, it's telling me 0 to upgrade. When I did the network-manager -cd, it says that it's forcing it to look at development releases. Is there an easy way to tell apt dist-upgrade that I want 18.04 even if it is still considered development?
[13:34] <unholymachine> what does lsb_release -a say?
[13:35] <GwaiLo> No LSB modules are available. Distributor ID:	Ubuntu // Description:	Ubuntu 16.04.4 LTS // Release:	16.04 // Codename:	xenial
[13:35] <unholymachine> sudo apt install update-manager-core
[13:35] <GwaiLo> do-release-upgrade also says no new releases found
[13:35] <unholymachine> interesting
[13:36] <unholymachine> you did "sudo do-release-upgrade -d " correct?
[13:36] <GwaiLo> update-manager-core is already the newest version (1:16.04.13).
[13:36] <GwaiLo> update-manager-core set to manually installed.
[13:36] <GwaiLo> oh, no I didn't
[13:37] <GwaiLo> thanks, now it's doing something with bionic.tar.gz
[13:51] <no_gravity> Hello! Do you guys know if Ubuntu 18.04 is based on a specific Debian version?
[13:52] <GwaiLo> unholymachine, hmm, the upgrade failed... and now when I re-run do-release-upgrade -d, it gives me a message "Upgrades to the development release are only
[13:52] <GwaiLo> available from the latest supported release."
[13:52] <unholymachine> how did it fail?
[13:52] <leftyfb> no_gravity: why?
[13:52] <unholymachine> were there any error messages?
[13:52] <GwaiLo> unholymachine, "ERROR: Cannot create report: [Errno 17] File exists: '/var/crash/gnome-menus.0.crash'Exception during pm.DoInstall():  E:Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)"
[13:52] <GwaiLo> seems to be the triggering error
[13:52] <no_gravity> leftyfb: I'm interested to understand on what Ubuntu is based.
[13:53] <GwaiLo> unholymachine, https://pastebin.com/8ipVLGGR slightly more
[13:53] <leftyfb> no_gravity: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ubuntu_(operating_system)
[13:53] <leftyfb> no_gravity: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ubuntu_(operating_system)#History_and_development_process
[13:53] <CookieM> as far as I know Ubuntu uses Debian’s unstable branch, called Sid
[13:54] <no_gravity> CookieM: So they kinda freeze it at some point in time?
[13:54] <leftyfb> no_gravity: you might try #ubuntu-devel
[13:54] <no_gravity> leftyfb: Good idea
[13:55] <leftyfb> no_gravity: or you could read the wikipedia article I linked you to which describes it
[13:55] <cihhan> hi all. how can i change the order of network devices? in ubuntu 12, that could be done by 70-persistant.rules but in ubuntu 18 i cant see that file. any suggestions?
[13:55] <leftyfb> no_gravity: which answers your question exactly
[13:55] <no_gravity> leftyfb: Not realy
[13:56] <leftyfb> no_gravity: yes really
[13:56] <leftyfb> no_gravity: 2nd paragraph under history and development process
[13:56] <CookieM> no_gravity, I guess so
[13:57] <no_gravity> If they freeze unstable at some point in time, I wonder how they deal with security updates.
[13:57] <leftyfb> cihhan: there is no "ubuntu 12". Regardless, both versions of Ubuntu that start with "12" are unsupported. You need to upgrade. If you're running 12.04, you can pay for support.
[13:57] <unholymachine> GwaiLo: looks like there's a bug related to this specific error when upgrading to 18,04
[13:57] <no_gravity> As security updates would be for later versions then when Ubuntu froze theirs.
[13:57] <cihhan> leftyfb: im using ubuntu 18 -- im asking how i can re-order the network ports
[13:58] <unholymachine> GwaiLo: there is a fix although it's a bit involved. it seems like you would have had less headache if you cloned the git repo and installed it that way
[13:58] <leftyfb> no_gravity: oh look, there's a whole section on the wikipedia particle entitled "Security"
[13:58] <unholymachine> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-menus/+bug/1766890
[13:58] <leftyfb> cihhan: there's no "ubuntu 18". Ans why did you say 12 if you mean another version?
[13:58] <GwaiLo> unholymachine, ah bugger. Ok. On the bright side, it looks like it has partially upgraded me and now apt-cache search is showing up my py3status. So I might be better off waiting for a few weeks for 18.04 to no longer be dev...
[13:59] <no_gravity> leftyfb: Which is not about how security updates are handled from upstream.
[13:59] <unholymachine> let me know if it installs
[13:59] <cihhan> leftyfb: im just asking how i can re-order network ports. do you have any suggestions?
[13:59] <leftyfb> cihhan: yes, it verymuch depends on what version of ubuntu you're running.
[14:00] <cihhan> i wrote saying meaning that in the previous versions, it would be done using 70-persistnat.riles
[14:00] <cihhan> and with the new version of ubuntu, i dont know how to do it.
[14:00] <leftyfb> cihhan: you can create your own udev rules.
[14:00] <unholymachine> GwaiLo: you might want to look at Jeff Lane (bladernr) 2018-04-26 post if you're looking to fix the upgrade
[14:01] <unholymachine> (there is more than one that describes how he fixed his install)
[14:06] <GwaiLo> unholymachine, the py3status won't install and apt-get -f install is failing to fix things. I'm trying to find the blog post you're referring to... but on jefflane.org, the latest post was in february
[14:06] <leftyfb> GwaiLo: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-menus/+bug/1766890/comments/13
[14:07] <GwaiLo> leftyfb, thanks
[14:08] <GwaiLo> I think I'm very much in the situation he's in... lsb_release -a is saying I'm on 18.04
[14:09] <unholymachine> yep
[14:09] <GwaiLo> I suspect I've just broken the box pretty badly and will probably be easier to reinstall and put in a new 18.04
[14:10] <GwaiLo> I also suspect I should not reboot this machine until I'm ready to do so cause it probably won't come back up properly
[14:12] <ioria> GwaiLo, i suggest you a files backup
[14:17] <GwaiLo> ioria :) Thankfully I haven't been using this machine too heavily for important things yet, still getting used to the transition from windows, annoying, but not end of the world if I have to blow it away
[14:18] <ioria> GwaiLo, so we can play with it ? :þ
[14:18] <GwaiLo> haha, not quite ready to hand out ssh access :P
[14:18] <ioria> i see
[14:18] <GwaiLo> I am absolutely loving having a tiled window manager though, so think I'll be sticking with it!
[14:19] <ioria> GwaiLo,  sources.list points to bionic , right ?
[14:21] <GwaiLo> bit odd actually, it's a mix. Seems to have modified all the uncommented lines, and not modified all the commented ones
[14:21] <GwaiLo> ioria, https://pastebin.com/UnSvaWCr
[14:22] <GwaiLo> it clearly didn't rollback successfully at all
[14:22] <ioria> GwaiLo,  no, looks ok
[14:23] <ioria> GwaiLo,  your kernel ? uname -r
[14:23] <GwaiLo> uname -r
[14:23] <GwaiLo> 4.4.0-130-generic
[14:24] <ioria> GwaiLo,  the kernel has not been upgraded
[14:25] <GwaiLo> I'm not convinced anything has been upgraded
[14:25] <ioria> GwaiLo,  try   sudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade   ,say 'no'  and ,if you want, paste the output
[14:27] <GwaiLo> https://pastebin.com/9RB48Gpm
[14:28] <ioria> GwaiLo,  aand i guess you already tried apt-get -f install
[14:29] <GwaiLo> yeah, it said correcting dependencies failed
[14:29] <GwaiLo> https://pastebin.com/1tvBFNsg
[14:32] <eeos> is it possible to move from pulseuadio to jack2 and still be able to use all of the audio apps?
[14:32] <ioria> GwaiLo,  apt-cache policy libc6
[14:35] <GwaiLo> libc6: Installed: 2.27-3ubuntu1  Candidate: 2.27-3ubuntu1 Version table: *** 2.27-3ubuntu1 500        500 http://au.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu bionic/main amd64 Packages        100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
[14:35] <ioria> GwaiLo,  that is from bionic; so something has been upgraded
[14:36] <ioria> GwaiLo,  apt-cache policy  libc-dev-bin  | grep Installed
[14:37] <GwaiLo> ioria, Installed: 2.23-0ubuntu10
[14:37] <ioria> that's xenial
[14:37] <ioria> GwaiLo,  can you paste   apt-cache policy  libc-dev-bin      ?
[14:38] <GwaiLo> libc-dev-bin:
[14:38] <GwaiLo>   Installed: 2.23-0ubuntu10
[14:38] <GwaiLo>   Candidate: 2.27-3ubuntu1
[14:38] <GwaiLo>   Version table:
[14:38] <GwaiLo>      2.27-3ubuntu1 500
[14:38] <GwaiLo>         500 http://au.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu bionic/main amd64 Packages
[14:38] <ioria> GwaiLo,  not here,please
[14:39] <GwaiLo> sorry, forgot to remove newlines
[14:39] <bittin> GNOME yearly meeting: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2SRB3CpxQuE
[14:40] <ioria> GwaiLo,  apt -s install --reinstall libc-dev-bin | nc termbin.com 9999
[14:42] <root__> i need help
[14:42] <root__> i need help
[14:43] <ioria> GwaiLo,  it's just a simulation
[14:43] <GwaiLo> ioria, https://pastebin.com/CDb1tzSD
[14:44] <ioria> GwaiLo,  i don't think it's the right url
[14:46] <GwaiLo> ioria, sorry, I didn't want to make a connection to a URL that I hadn't heard of before from someone on IRC
[14:46] <GwaiLo> I see what it is now
[14:47] <ioria> GwaiLo, pastebinit if you rather
[14:47] <GwaiLo> the URL I sent earlier had the output
[14:47] <ioria> nope
[14:47] <GwaiLo> http://termbin.com/6pjp
[14:47] <GwaiLo> that's a cool service
[14:49] <ioria> GwaiLo, if that is the output of the cmd i sent you, apt is broken
[14:50] <GwaiLo> http://termbin.com/xj9c
[14:50] <GwaiLo> ioria, http://termbin.com/xj9c I had done it with sudo before, just realised you didn't ask for it to be run as root
[14:51] <ioria> GwaiLo, no need for root; your libc6 is broken and your apt as well; you are on unusable system
[14:52] <GwaiLo> ioria, yep. As I said, I think by far the easiest option for my skill level will be a clean install
[14:52] <GwaiLo> no c, no apt ... not a great place to recover from :)
[14:52] <ioria> GwaiLo, you can still download the .debs and manually install. but it's a pain
[14:54] <ioria> GwaiLo, for fun; https://packages.ubuntu.com/bionic/amd64/libc-dev-bin/download
[14:55] <GwaiLo> ioria, what am I doing with that?
[14:56] <ioria> GwaiLo, you can download the .deb (in this case, libc-dev-bin) and instal it   sudo dpkg -i  .deb
[14:57] <ioria> GwaiLo, same for libc6-dbg and libc6-dev
[15:00] <GwaiLo> ioria, all 3 of those are now installed
[15:00] <GwaiLo> ioria, should I try rerunning any of the other commands?
[15:03] <GwaiLo> ioria, to be clear... am I doing these things to help you learn more? or to fix my machine? Happy to help if the former, if it's the latter, please don't feel you need to spend any more time on it
[15:13] <ioria> GwaiLo,  sudo apt full-upgrade
[15:14] <eeos> ubuntu 18.04 stores icc profiles sunder /usr/share/color/icc/colord instead of /usr/share/color/icc so some softwares do not find them
[15:15] <kk4ewt> eeos, so hard link one to the other
[15:15] <coconut_> I am trying to encrypt my DNS use  by a config inside my router. Now it is time to test it. Is there any command line tool for this?
[15:15] <GwaiLo> ioria, http://termbin.com/128f http://termbin.com/0xia
[15:16] <ioria> GwaiLo,  congrats; you fixed libc6
[15:17] <eeos> kk4ewt: in what way? would the software be able to use it?
[15:17] <kk4ewt> yes
[15:18] <eeos> kk4ewt: but why does it do that? it does not make sense!
[15:18] <eeos> kk4ewt: is it possible reconfigure colord?
[15:18] <kk4ewt> if the profile is stored in one place and some older software is looking for it someplace else hardlink the profile to the old location
[15:18] <ioria> GwaiLo,  now, on bionic you use,by default,gnome-shell and unity has been removed ... so we can try to remove unity
[15:19] <eeos> kk4ewt: the probelm is the opposite .... colord stores icc profile sin the wrong place
[15:20] <kk4ewt> exactly
[15:20] <kk4ewt> so hardlink where it is to the other location
[15:21] <kk4ewt> that way is the profile changes at location A it is seen at location B
[15:21] <GwaiLo> ioria, it's past 1am here... there's so much I need to understand to actually learn from this and I'm really just typing commands, I'm not even sure what I'm fixing at this point
[15:21] <eeos> kk4ewt: OK .... but we need to fix the package as well!
[15:22] <GwaiLo> ioria, I really appreciate your help, and I'm glad I have a path to fix dependencies that I didn't know about before
[15:22] <eeos> kk4ewt: OK .... but we need to fix the package as well!
[15:23] <ioria> GwaiLo,   check if apt is working now :  sudo apt install dclock
[15:23] <eeos> sorry, automatic ....
[15:23] <eeos> thank you kk4ewt! brb
[15:24] <GwaiLo> ioria, http://termbin.com/w8vb doesn't look like it
[15:26] <XsiSec> Hello everyone my  machine freezes randomly I have checked in the dmesg log and there is a lots of errors any one experienced that could help me out? Thank you
[15:26] <speedy01> hi everyone..hoping someone has some expierene with a yoga 720....i can't get ubuntu to boot past grub. but fedora boots and installs just fine.  ive tried nomodeset and no splash with no luck.  any thoughts?
[15:27] <ioria> GwaiLo,   yeah, i think the fix will require a bit more work,i don't if it worths
[15:28] <speedy01> bios is limited on this thing...but ive disabled the raid sata mode, disable secure boot, virtualiazation, etc...unfortunaly no wait to use legacy mode, as uefi is the only boot option
[15:29] <GwaiLo> ioria, I don't think it is... I think I'd prefer to go with a clean install so that when I invariably run in to problems, I don't constantly come back to this as a potential root cause
[15:29] <ioria> GwaiLo,  absolutely right
[15:30] <speedy01> system has a 7thgen intel, kaby lake I believe
[15:30] <tomreyn> speedy01: uefi is usually the better option nowadays. and you most likely want virtualization on
[15:30] <speedy01> tomreyn: i agree..but i was running out of ideas!
[15:30] <GwaiLo> ioria, I shall get some sleep and tackle it in the morning. Thanks again!
[15:30] <tomreyn> (the rest sounds fine)
[15:30] <ioria> GwaiLo,  no prob
[15:31] <speedy01> googling had a mixed bag of results..some saying they had no problem, while others seemed to have had the same issue as me
[15:32] <tomreyn> speedy01: there are several models of "yoga 720". can you get the more specific model number? here's an example: 88YG7000828
[15:33] <tomreyn> speedy01: what's the file name of the ubuntu installer ISO you downloaded, or which ubuntu version and variant are you trying to install?
[15:33] <speedy01> 80x6002jus
[15:34] <tomreyn> speedy01: does the installer only boot till grub, or does it start fine and you can install and then it fails to boot?
[15:34] <speedy01> only to grub
[15:34] <speedy01> can't boot to live cd either...
[15:35] <speedy01> ive also tried the debug switch, along with --verbose but there is no output to the screen
[15:35] <speedy01> only blank...blacklite
[15:36] <speedy01> tired media from usb and cd..etc
[15:36] <tomreyn> speedy01: debug switch of what?
[15:36] <speedy01> nosplash debug
[15:37] <speedy01> in grub boot options/command
[15:37] <tomreyn> speedy01: looks like this thing has a very closed bios. https://www.earth.li/~noodles/blog/2018/02/yoag720-linux.html
[15:39] <tomreyn> speedy01: you'd need to replace 'Debian' by 'Ubuntu' in the bcedit commands in the box on the bottom
[15:39] <speedy01> running fedora on it now....
[15:40] <speedy01> is there a linux equivilent to bcedit that you knw of off the top of your head?
[15:41] <tomreyn> you only need to use bcdedit if you keep the windows boot manager,
[15:42] <tomreyn> but since you have already installed fedora on it you will probably have the grub bootloader installed now
[15:42] <tomreyn> that's fedora from the internal disk (HDD / SSD), right?
[15:43] <speedy01> yes
[15:44] <tomreyn> you may need to fiddle with efibootmgr
[15:44] <tomreyn> this can edit the boot menu the bios will show.
[15:45] <tomreyn> it's strange though that you could install fedora and can't install ubuntu. maybe just try a different iso. which one were you using?
[15:46] <speedy01> tomreyn: that was my thought as well.  ive tried 18.04 and the nightly of 18.10
[15:46] <speedy01> no joy
[15:47] <tomreyn> speedy01: so that's the 18.04 desktop installation, right? can you paste the HTTP address returned by: lspci -nn | nc termbin.com 9999
[15:50] <speedy01> http://termbin.com/gfpi
[15:51] <speedy01> thanks again for helping me out
[15:51] <speedy01> i finally had enought with windows and decide it was time to switch!
[15:52] <speedy01> so im a novice, so please keep that in mind!
[15:53] <sonicwind> welcome to Ubuntu :-)
[15:54] <tomreyn> speedy01: i will. does "lscpu" return something other than an error? if so, please run: lscpu | nc termbin.com 9999     # and tell us the URL it returns.
[15:55] <sonicwind> Kudos to you, tomreyn. You're a workhorse at helping people here.
[15:55] <speedy01> no error
[15:55] <speedy01> but..i just found this dells site
[15:55] <speedy01> https://www.dell.com/support/article/us/en/19/sln299303/loading-ubuntu-on-systems-using-pcie-m2-drives?lang=en
[15:55] <speedy01> can it be as simple as adding nvme_load=YES
[15:55] <tomreyn> sonicwind: :)
[15:56] <tomreyn> speedy01: if you have nvme, worth a try. i didnt know this parameter.
[15:57] <tomreyn> speedy01: actually this article is about ubuntu 14.04 / 15.04, i doubt this parameter is still needed on 18.04
[16:02] <speedy01> going to reboot and see...brb
[16:02] <ellyacht>  can anyone tell me how to create a bootable USB of linuxmint using Tails OS?
[16:02] <spaces> meh 16.04 to 18.04 update on an old Vio has ATI issues
[16:07] <tomreyn> speedy01: i'm not having much luck finding some good suggestions on how to make ubuntu 18.04 work with this hardware (not a lot of people seem to have tried / reported about it), yet. what you can do is verify that your downloaded ubuntu image is intact, install using one of the server installers, install ubuntu 16.04 and upgrade to 18.04 once it is supported (it will be by late july or august, i would think)
[16:08] <spaces> are there issues on 18.04 with ATI drivers ?
[16:09] <tomreyn> spaces: "ATI" drivers? you mean fglrx? radeon?
[16:09] <spaces> I just upgraded a laptop from 16.04 to 18.04 and all went fine but it hangs on Gnome starting and when I doa recovery start I get some strange memory issue if you ask me but the card seesm to be OK
[16:09] <spaces> radeon mobile
[16:10] <spaces> ATI Mobility Radeon HD 4650, seems to be supported
[16:11] <tomreyn> hmm maybe try a lighter desktop environment, such as xubuntu, for now.
[16:12] <tomreyn> so you can boot to revcovery?
[16:12] <spaces> yap can do that
[16:13] <spaces> mhh could be an option to do xubuntu but if you ask me it should not be a problem or is gnome heavy these days ?
[16:14] <tomreyn> gnome3 is a good bit heavier than gnome2, yes. but i also think it should work with this graphics hardware.
[16:14] <spaces> yeah it should it's 512MB card as well
[16:14] <spaces> mhh it seesm to start through
[16:14] <spaces> I think
[16:14] <spaces> need to wait
[16:16] <spaces> it hangs on the last [  OK  ] Line over overwrites it all the time, I get now Started Disk Manager. Manager. Dispatcher Service...d before the ppp link was shutdown...
[16:16] <spaces> so it overwrites lines
[16:17] <tomreyn> spaces: so maybe try to find out what the issue is exactly: at grub menu, make sure the topmost 'Ubuntu' line is selected, then press'e'. this will spawn a simple editor. move the cursor to the end of the line which starts "linux" and replace "splash" by "nosplash", then press ctrl-x to boot this.
[16:17] <spaces> tomreyn it started to display some GDM error after login since last week I understood, so I thought, mhh let's update first to 18.04 before we run into that trouble later on
[16:18] <tomreyn> spaces:do you know what "gdm error" that was?
[16:20] <spaces> tomreyn it showed a memory issue
[16:20] <spaces> I have send the bugreport to Ubuntu using the system itself
[16:21] <spaces> tomreyn what are my best options ?
[16:22] <tomreyn> spaces: ok. i suggest you try to get a lighter desktop environment booting first, then we can more easily switch back and forth between this and the default gnome3 environment, and share system logs.
[16:23] <spaces> tomreyn ok, which one to install and also in recovery mode ?
[16:23] <tomreyn> spaces: to do so, boot into the recovery menu, enable networking, select root shell, and run: apt update; apt -f install; apt install xubuntu-desktop
[16:24] <tomreyn> spaces: wait, sorry, this doesn't make much sense. you can't actually get to the login screen currently, right?
[16:25] <spaces> nope not the login, I can get cli tho
[16:25] <spaces> cli in recovery, normal boot jumps back to bootscreen all the time
[16:25] <tomreyn> spaces: "get cli" means via recovery menu, or default boot + ctrl-Fx?
[16:26] <tomreyn> so you tried normal boot + ctrl-Fx?
[16:26] <spaces> yap, but that jumps back when I try to login
[16:26] <tomreyn> so you tried normal boot + ctrl-alt-Fx?
[16:26] <tomreyn> ok
[16:27] <tomreyn> so it's most likely something with the graphics driver initialization indeed.
[16:27] <spaces> yap
[16:27] <spaces> reinstall the driver ?
[16:27] <spaces> I don't know if it should be stock or not atm
[16:28] <tomreyn> boot into recovery menu, enable networking, select root shell, see what "packet loss" (in statistics) is when you "ping -c3 abc.de"
[16:28] <tomreyn> there are no proprietary drivers which work with this hardware in 18.04. your only option is the open source fglrx, and this should be ok.
[16:30] <spaces> yeah taht was loaded as far as I can see in the bootloader
[16:31] <spaces> tomreyn I get a Workqueue: events check_corruption error after loading the nic drivers, I saw this before
[16:32] <spaces> create worker on CPU...
[16:32] <spaces> cannot make much sense out of it
[16:33] <tomreyn> sorry i mean radeon drivers, not fglrx
[16:33] <spaces> np!
[16:33] <tomreyn> i dont know "Workqueue: events check_corruption" - will need to search for it
[16:34] <tomreyn> oh thats a kernel oops
[16:34] <spaces> yes on low mem as far as I can see
[16:34] <tomreyn> can you tell which line it says before this?
[16:35] <tomreyn> i mean what the line before this says
[16:35] <spaces> CPU0.... Hardware name: Sony Copr.... BIOS...
[16:35] <spaces> sec
[16:35] <tomreyn> right, exactly that would be of interest
[16:36] <cukier> There is a fraction of a second stutter in games and music about once every 10 minutes. What could be the cause?
[16:36] <spaces> CPU: 0 PID: 157: Comm: kworker/0:3 Not tained 4.15.0-23-generic
[16:36] <spaces> cukier oeh I had that once
[16:36] <cukier> Did you fix it?
[16:37] <tomreyn> spaces: okay, that's two lines above the message, though. the one between would be good, which you partially quoted before.
[16:37] <spaces> yes and no, I finally upgraded the system much later on... and it was fixed.. it was annoying indeed
[16:37] <tomreyn> we can also get these infos from recovery if the current approach is difficult
[16:37] <cukier> :(
[16:38] <spaces> tomreyn use older kernel to test ? it's 3.x tho
[16:38] <tomreyn> cukier: check if you have repeated error messages in the output of "dmesg -T" (to be entered in a terminal)
[16:38] <tomreyn> probably towards the end then
[16:39] <spaces> tomreyn trying to start safemode for X
[16:39] <pavlushka> https://pastebin.com/jMkkFAdZ
[16:40] <pavlushka> sorry
[16:40] <cukier> I'll check next time it happens. :)
[16:41] <tomreyn> cukier: if it happened a few times since last boot, you can check it now, too.
[16:41] <cukier> Unfortunately I just rebooted after memtest (zero errors)
[16:42] <spaces> tomreyn cannot load libGL.so.1
[16:42] <tomreyn> spaces: does it say why?
[16:42] <spaces> tomreyn failsafe X11
[16:42] <spaces> no such file or dir
[16:43] <tomreyn> ok
[16:43] <ellyacht>  can anyone tell me how to create a bootable USB of linuxmint using Tails OS
[16:43] <pavlushka> I need some help on dpkg-buildpackage issue, https://pastebin.com/jMkkFAdZ F1 F1 F1
[16:43] <tomreyn> ellyacht: which of these is ubuntu?
[16:44] <jnewt> i just tried to rdp into my desktop, as i left it running windows when I left.  i ended up being connected to the computer, but linux was running.   odd, but ok.   but the desktop is something weird, with a little mouse on the background and huge icons and no start menu / launcher of any sort.  what is going on?   it's running 18.04, and should be running either mate or preferably cinnamon de like I have locally.
[16:44] <ellyacht> tomreyn tails is a Linux distro based on debian
[16:44] <tomreyn> ellyacht: right, but doesn't answer my question
[16:45] <ellyacht> which of these what?
[16:45] <tomreyn> ellyacht: my point is: we don't support tails nor linux mint here
[16:45] <tomreyn> this is ubuntu support (only)
[16:45] <rush> there are probably mint and tails chat rooms also i'd imagine
[16:45] <tomreyn> both tails and linux mint have their own irc channels
[16:45] <tomreyn> :)
[16:46] <tomreyn> welcome!
[16:46] <rush> lol
[16:46] <spaces> tomreyn nothing before that CPU: 0 line, only reached target swap
[16:47] <tomreyn> spaces: unless you got failsafe X starting up fine, let me know when you did this: <tomreyn> boot into recovery menu, enable networking, select root shell, see what "packet loss" (in statistics) is when you "ping -c3 abc.de"
[16:49] <spaces> tomreyn sure I know how to check my network link when it's all done but what I don't get is that it fails on loading the network driver (it seems)
[16:51] <pavlushka> tomreyn: spare a though please on dpkg-buildpackage issue,https://pastebin.com/jMkkFAdZ on this saturday
[16:51] <tomreyn> spaces: ok the idea there is to ensure you got network connectivity so you can upload some logs to share
[16:51] <cukier> tomreyn: Unfortunately there are no new messages in dmesg after stutter
[16:51] <pavlushka> s/thopugh/thought
[16:51] <pavlushka> s/though/thought
[16:51] <spaces> tomreyn I know, trying to get there :)
[16:52] <spaces> tomreyn could it be because it goes in readonly mode for the filesystem ?
[16:53] <tomreyn> ok spaces + cukier. cukier you can also check ~/.xsession-errors
[16:53] <tomreyn> spaces: what is "it"?
[16:54] <spaces> tomreyn the start of the network, I get a warning about it upfront
[16:54] <tomreyn> spaces: during normal boot, during recovery boot, when you select "enable networking" from recovery?
[16:54] <spaces> strange that CPU error also happens when I enter root
[16:54] <cukier> I don't have ~/.xsession-errors
[16:55] <tomreyn> cukier: are you using X or wayland?
[16:55] <cukier> loginctl show-session 3 -p Type told me Type=x11
[16:56] <cukier> which I think means x11 :)
[16:56] <tomreyn> cukier: and tis is 18.04?
[16:57] <cukier> Oh! I'm on 17.10
[16:57] <cukier> I'll update
[16:58] <cukier> Thank you very much! I wasn't aware that there was an update available.
[16:58] <cukier> Wait. "software is up to date".
[16:59] <speedy01> im back
[16:59] <qwebirc81151> Hello!
[16:59] <speedy01> sorry for the delay..
[17:00] <qwebirc81151> I have a n00be question that I'm hoping someone can help me with?
[17:00] <spaces> tomreyn when I go to root, start rhe network manager manually it takes forever as well
[17:00] <speedy01> tomreyn: no joy on using the nvme_load switch
[17:01] <tomreyn> pavlushka: this paste lacks context such as ubuntu version, architecture, why are you building this package in the first place, what have you done to identify this issue about ": error: invalid variable name: --build", have you searched the web and developer provided resources about it and what did you (not) find?
[17:01] <qwebirc81151> I need to install a software package on an older Ubuntu 14.04 32-bit installation. The regular version of this software, if installed normally via 'apt-get' is NOT the version that I want. The version that I want is through a 3rd PPA source. I've already added that source and the necessary keys. However, I just don't know the command to actually install the software LOL
[17:02] <qwebirc81151> Here's what I'm trying to install: https://launchpad.net/~rolfbensch/+archive/ubuntu/sane-release
[17:02] <speedy01> so grub loads linux	/casper/vmlinuz  file=/cdrom/preseed/ubuntu.seed boot=casper only-ubiquity quiet
[17:02] <speedy01> since I'm trying to boot from usb, is that path correct?
[17:02] <spaces> tomreyn yop! network and manually set DNS :)
[17:03] <speedy01> or does it matter?
[17:03] <spaces> tomreyn I think I found it, swap not mounted ?
[17:04] <tomreyn> cukier: run "update-manager -c"
[17:04] <spaces> tomawyap swap is not mounted
[17:05] <pavlushka> tomreyn: on ubuntu 18.04, 64 bit arch though the package arch should be "any" and I need the hint on  error: invalid variable name: --build", trying to update aspell-bn
[17:05] <cukier> I'm doing do-release-upgrade. I hope they're equivalent. :)
[17:05] <tomreyn> speedy01: the path is correct. try removing "quiet"
[17:05] <qwebirc81151> This is the actual file I'm trying to install: sane-backends - 1.0.27-trusty1
[17:06] <speedy01> yep..did that
[17:06] <tomreyn> spaces: if you have swap configure din /etc/fstab and it fails to activate it this can be related
[17:06] <speedy01> hmm..https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2326467
[17:07] <B1GGJOE> Hey everyone,  I need to install a software package on an older Ubuntu 14.04 32-bit installation. The regular version of this software, if installed normally via 'apt-get' is NOT the version that I want. The version that I want is through a 3rd PPA source. I've already added that source and the necessary keys. However, I just don't know the command to actually install the software LOL
[17:07] <B1GGJOE> Here's what I'm trying to install: https://launchpad.net/~rolfbensch/+archive/ubuntu/sane-release
[17:07] <tomreyn> pavlushka: thanks for answering some of my questions, please answer the others, too
[17:07] <spaces> tomreyn swap is in fstab but also I need to remount / first
[17:08] <B1GGJOE> I've been tackling this for 3 hours now, don't know what I'm missing
[17:09] <tomreyn> spaces: sure, to make it writeable, i guess.
[17:09] <spaces> tomreyn did, what shall I do ?
[17:09] <spaces> now
[17:09] <tomreyn> spaces: so you have internet access on the root emergency shell now?
[17:10] <pavlushka> tomreyn: not geting any lead on  ": error: invalid variable name: --build" from web and why it is treating --build option as a varible? that's seems an anamoly
[17:10] <spaces> tomreyn I do, installed last updates to make sure all if fine
[17:10] <tomreyn> pavlushka: i don't know either, so i was wondering whether you searched the web on it. and why you are trying to build this package in the first place.
[17:11] <B1GGJOE> Hello. How do I install one of these custom, 3rd-party packages here: https://launchpad.net/~rolfbensch/+ppa-packages
[17:11] <leftyfb> B1GGJOE: apt-cache policy sane-backends
[17:11] <tomreyn> spaces: but you'r eon 17.10 and want to get to 18.04, right?
[17:11] <B1GGJOE> hmmm
[17:11] <B1GGJOE> Ok, let me try
[17:11] <ioria> B1GGJOE, i think sane-backends is the source package ;from which we get libsane-common, libsane1,etc. etc.
[17:11] <leftyfb> B1GGJOE: what does that say? (pastebin)
[17:11] <spaces> tomreyn this was a 16.04 but is now a 18.04, upgrade went fine
[17:12] <pavlushka> tomreyn: to make an update of the previous one.
[17:13] <tomreyn> spaces: oops, looks like i'm mixing things up. or people. so you have this corrupted low memory issue. and X doesn't come up properly, is this correct?
[17:13] <B1GGJOE> Says: 'N:Unable to locate package sane-backends
[17:13] <ioria> it's the source package
[17:13] <spaces> tomreyn I think so about the mem issue, but this could be swap ? the machine has 4G of mem...
[17:13] <ioria> !info libsane trusty
[17:13] <tomreyn> !latest | pavlushka - just in case you'r enot aware:
[17:14] <B1GGJOE> Yes, version 1.0.23 is supported, normally based on the version of Ubuntu...
[17:14] <B1GGJOE> However I'm trying to install a newer/experimental version
[17:14] <B1GGJOE> So I had to add a custom 3rd-party PPA source
[17:14] <spaces> tomreyn I cannot see if it mounts swap on normal boot
[17:15] <ioria> B1GGJOE, you got that it's not a binary package ? you cannot install it
[17:15] <B1GGJOE> Well, I'm such a n00be...not sure what I can do. What I'm trying to install is here: https://launchpad.net/~rolfbensch/+archive/ubuntu/sane-git/+packages
[17:15] <pavlushka> tomreyn: I am opting for the PPA in this case.
[17:15] <B1GGJOE> This is the file: 1.0.27+git20180630-trusty0
[17:16] <tomreyn> spaces: the amouint of memory is not an issue, the issue seems to be (base don the limited information we have so far) that something, probably your graphics driver, tries to overwrite memory of other processes. whichh should never happen.
[17:16] <leftyfb> B1GGJOE: why do you need that package/file?
[17:17] <spaces> tomreyn I do see this in journalctl now: No UMS Support for Radeon Module
[17:17] <tomreyn> spaces: can you post "dmesg -T" and /var/log/Xorg.*.log.* (just the one from the latest non recovery boot, if you can identify it)
[17:17] <B1GGJOE> Because it's a newer build that supports newer hardware
[17:17] <spaces> tomreyn sec, need to ssh to the box
[17:18] <B1GGJOE> I went through the steps and added the custom PPA source and etc. Just not sure how to actually download and install now. I'm afraid if I use the normal 'apt-get' commands, it will download the official older build
[17:18] <tomreyn> spaces: so your system tried or tried to do user mode switching (this would be normal to happen in failsafe X mode, but not during a standard boot with this hardware)
[17:18] <tomreyn> spaces: ssh is a good plan
[17:18] <tomreyn> pavlushka: probably easier, yes
[17:20] <tomreyn> !md5 | speedy01 this is indeed something you could / should verify
[17:20] <leftyfb> B1GGJOE: once you add the PPA, run: sudo apt-get update ; sudo apt-get upgrade
[17:21] <B1GGJOE> Ok, I believe I did that already, but will do so again...
[17:21] <B1GGJOE> brb
[17:22] <spaces> tomreyn https://pastebin.com/U5a113p8
[17:23] <spaces> tomreyn https://pastebin.com/SD73naNf
[17:23] <B1GGJOE> Interesting....
[17:23] <B1GGJOE> It did download and update osome of the libraries
[17:24] <speedy01> yep..has checks out
[17:24] <speedy01> md5 checks out
[17:25] <B1GGJOE> So if you go to this website: https://launchpad.net/~rolfbensch/+archive/ubuntu/sane-release/+packages
[17:25] <B1GGJOE> There are the package files listed as well:
[17:25] <B1GGJOE> Package files libsane-common_1.0.27-trusty1_amd64.deb (802.3 KiB) libsane-common_1.0.27-trusty1_i386.deb (802.2 KiB) libsane-dbg_1.0.27-trusty1_amd64.deb (3.6 MiB) libsane-dbg_1.0.27-trusty1_i386.deb (3.4 MiB) libsane-dev_1.0.27-trusty1_amd64.deb (2.2 MiB) libsane-dev_1.0.27-trusty1_i386.deb (2.1 MiB) libsane_1.0.27-trusty1_amd64.deb (2.0 MiB) libsane_1.0.27-trusty1_i386.deb (1.9 MiB) sane-backends_1.0.27-trusty1.debian.tar.gz (54.6
[17:26] <leftyfb> B1GGJOE: if you added the PPA, and did update/upgrade and things got upgraded, then that is what you get
[17:26] <B1GGJOE> hmm
[17:26] <B1GGJOE> Is there a way to make sure?
[17:27] <leftyfb> B1GGJOE: apt-cache policy sane-utils
[17:31] <spaces> tomreyn anything usefull there ?
[17:31] <conall> Hi. For some reason a "grub-install" does not install to the mbr, thus a legacy boot is not possible. I think it is becuase the only "target" installed on the system is x86_64-efi. Am i correct in this assumption?
[17:32] <B1GGJOE> Woo Hoo!!!!!!!
[17:32] <B1GGJOE> oh premature
[17:32] <B1GGJOE> lol
[17:32] <B1GGJOE> it says:
[17:32] <B1GGJOE> When I did this: sudo apt-cache policy sane-utils
[17:32] <B1GGJOE> it says:
[17:32] <B1GGJOE> sane-utils ...
[17:32] <leftyfb> !paste | B1GGJOE
[17:33] <blackflow> conall: I think so, yes, you need grub-pc
[17:33] <B1GGJOE> Installed: (none)
[17:33] <blackflow> conall: that's a package
[17:33] <B1GGJOE> Candidate: 1.0.27-trusty1
[17:33] <B1GGJOE> Version table:
[17:33] <B1GGJOE> 1.0.27-trusty1 0
[17:34] <B1GGJOE> 500 http://ppa.launchpad.net/rolfbensch/sane-release/ubuntu/ trusty/main i386 Packages
[17:34] <leftyfb> B1GGJOE: ok, then you never had sane-utils installed. What package are you looking to get updated?
[17:34] <leftyfb> B1GGJOE: please use pastebin going forward
[17:35] <B1GGJOE> ok
[17:35] <conall> blackflow thanks. I was looking for that package exactly
[17:35] <B1GGJOE> LeftyFB: So I'm trying to install this newer version, from scratch
[17:35] <tomreyn> spaces: so this is a pretty old computer, 10+ years old now (which does not mean it shouldn't work, but it may need workarounds with some current software; also hardware can get unreliable at this age); the memory corruption issue is problematic. it can be a result of radeon UMS, which you forced with the "nomodeset" kernel parameter. you should remove this.
[17:36] <leftyfb> B1GGJOE: newer version of what
[17:36] <B1GGJOE> The one located here: https://launchpad.net/~rolfbensch/+archive/ubuntu/sane-git
[17:36] <B1GGJOE> It's a set of drivers to use scanners
[17:36] <tomreyn> spaces: the X log you posted is from when you were running a different kernel version
[17:37] <B1GGJOE> If I were to install it 'normally' from Ubuntu 14.04...it installs the official version, which is actually an outdated version from several years ago.
[17:37] <B1GGJOE> So I'm trying to install the one here: https://launchpad.net/~rolfbensch/+archive/ubuntu/sane-git
[17:37] <B1GGJOE> I've already added the custom PPA source
[17:37] <B1GGJOE> now I'm just trying to install it
[17:37] <tomreyn> spaces: the kernel you were then running was a 3.13 (not 4.13! so really old) kernel, built in 2016.
[17:37] <spaces> tomreyn ye si read about it, let's try that first. tomreyn I know it's old but I don't see a real issue therre, first remove that kernel option and rebuild grub ? (this system was installed by someone who doesn't know that much about it)
[17:38] <spaces> tomreyn yap, 16.04
[17:38] <spaces> but wasn;t 16.04 not on a newer one already, I need to check my testvms
[17:38] <tomreyn> spaces: remove nomodeset from /etc/default/grub and run update-grub, then reboot
[17:39] <B1GGJOE> So, that set of drivers come in different versions, depending on the version of Ubuntu that it's being installed on.
[17:39] <tomreyn> spaces: 16.04 is 4.4 by default (GA kernel), but there are HWE kernels (4.13 and 4.15 with hwe-edge)
[17:39] <B1GGJOE> The official version for Ubuntu 14.04 is an outdated version, which means that it doesn't support the newer scanner hardware
[17:39] <leftyfb> B1GGJOE: all that is in that PPA are source files to compile your own drivers
[17:40] <leftyfb> B1GGJOE: looks like you should be upgrading to an OS newer than 4 years old then
[17:40] <tomreyn> spaces:still the kernel from your X log was built in 2016, which means this log is probably from the same year (or you never updated)
[17:40] <spaces> tomreyn mhh weird, then it should have been a 14.04 install I think upgraded to 16.04 later on ? dunno what the guy did... byw no nomodeset in /etc/default/grub
[17:40] <B1GGJOE> I wish I could, but it's not an option at the moment.
[17:41] <spaces> tomreyn the owner always updates when it tells him it needs to do so :)
[17:41] <leftyfb> B1GGJOE: why not?
[17:41] <B1GGJOE> So earlier, it said 'Installed: None'. How can I run a command to install it?
[17:41] <B1GGJOE> Because it's a customer workstation and they are not willing to upgrade
[17:41] <leftyfb> B1GGJOE: sudo apt-get install sane-utils
[17:41] <B1GGJOE> hmm let me try....brb
[17:42] <tomreyn> spaces: so this is not yxour computer? since you talk about someone else setting it up, and "the owner" doing or not doing something?
[17:42] <tomreyn> spaces: what's the output of "grep -c nomodeset /boot/grub/grub.cfg"
[17:43] <tomreyn> spaces: what's the output of "grep -ci nomodeset /boot/grub/grub.cfg"
[17:43] <leftyfb> B1GGJOE: I'm not as familiar with sane drivers so I'm not sure if that'll pull in what you want
[17:43] <spaces> tomreyn output is 3
[17:43] <B1GGJOE> aaah
[17:43] <leftyfb> B1GGJOE: apt-get install sane sane-utils libsane-extras xsane
[17:44] <spaces> tomreyn this system is installed by someone else then the owner, I just picked it up for him, it are friends @ vacation... laptop started to do that weird GDM message...
[17:44] <leftyfb> B1GGJOE: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/sane#Step_1:_Installing_sane
[17:44] <tomreyn> spaces: so you have nomodeset in there, but not in the configuration file update-grub uses, so it was hacked into the scripts or templates which grub.cfg is created from
[17:44] <spaces> tomreyn seems so indeed rebuild grub ?
[17:44] <B1GGJOE> Yep, that's how I first started. But when it installed that way, it installed the older version
[17:45] <tomreyn> spaces: yes, run update-grub, but my guess is that "grep -ci nomodeset /boot/grub/grub.cfg" will still return a value >0
[17:46] <spaces> tomreyn yeah! thanks so far, I'm on windows 10 myself because of apps these days but all my servers run Ubuntu, and it are plenty ;)
[17:46] <spaces> tomreyn weird, still 3
[17:47] <tomreyn> spaces: if so, you'll need to identify where it comes from, probably somewhere in /etc/grub.d: grep -ril nomodeset /etc/grub.d/
[17:47] <spaces> if [ "$ubuntu_recovery" = 1 ]; then
[17:47] <spaces>     GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_RECOVERY="$GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_RECOVERY nomodeset"
[17:48] <spaces> so that could harm recovery but not the default boot
[17:48] <tomreyn> spaces: right, i just realized that nomodeset is standard for the recovery kernel. you can keep that, as long as it's not on the default boot. although, with your hardware, maybe remove it for recovery, too.
[17:49] <spaces> tomreyn I copied the line and commented it and removed it from the copy
[17:49] <spaces> ok, now that 0
[17:49] <spaces> try recovery reboot ?
[17:50] <tomreyn> spaces: but you had the low memory corruption on a standard boot, too, didnt you?
[17:50] <spaces> tomreyn I thought so indeed, should really see it again but I saw it indeed
[17:50] <cukier> tomreyn: Unfortunately update and reboot didn't help.
[17:51] <tomreyn> spaces: well give both a try, normal boot, see where it gets stuck and if there's low memory corruption, and then emergency boot and see if there's low memory corruption.
[17:52] <spaces> tomreyn doing recovery mode first as we changed something there
[17:53] <tomreyn> spaces: you could also try to get your hands on a newer firmware, there was probably another one released later than the R1090Y0 07/25/2008 one you have there now.
[17:53] <spaces> tomreyn yap true, BIOS you mean ?
[17:53] <spaces> tomreyn what in recovery ? I have better resolution @ that recovery menu already
[17:54] <tomreyn> cukier: did youupgrade your ubuntu version then, or did it not offer this when you ran "update-manager -c"?
[17:54] <spaces> tomreyn swap is nmot mounted I think
[17:54] <spaces> should I remove the UUID ?
[17:54] <speedy01> nope..that didn't work...guess im just sol with ubuntu and this hardware :(
[17:54] <tomreyn> spaces: are there errors printed on screen about swap not being mountable?
[17:54] <spaces> I have seen it changing in the past on Ubuntu upgrades as well
[17:55] <cukier> I upgraded with do-release-upgrade
[17:55] <spaces> tomreyn Dependency dailed for swap... pertty sure
[17:55] <spaces> *pretty
[17:55] <cukier> I'm on 18.04 now
[17:55]  * spaces is typing backwards as the laptop is behind me, my cable is too short and I replaced the modem here 
[17:56] <tomreyn> speedy01: let's give it another try later. i'm quite busy with spaces + cukier right now, and would be happy to dedicate more time to this later. or maybe someone else will offer it.
[17:56] <spaces> tomreyn free -m shows me 0 for swap
[17:56] <tomreyn> spaces: well just comment it out in fstab then
[17:57] <spaces> tomreyn the full swap line ?
[17:57] <tomreyn> spaces: yes
[17:57] <spaces> tomreyn the UUID I hope ? not the full line
[17:57] <tomreyn> spaces: swap is not strictly needed if it's got enough RAM (i forgot how much it has, though)+
[17:57] <speedy01> tomreyn: thanks...I'm happy to hang out...Ill go grab some lunch and check back in a hour or so
[17:58] <tomreyn> spaces: what's the line you have in fstab about swap now?
[17:58] <tomreyn> speedy01: :)
[17:58] <u0_a143> .
[17:59] <tomreyn> cukier: okay, so you're on 18.04 and can't boot up fully, right? whow far do you get, which errors do you get to see?
[17:59] <spaces> tomreyn sec, starting network manager again, but I have full resolution in recovery at least now :)
[17:59] <tomreyn> spaces: recovery is text, isnt it? are we talking about different recoveries?
[18:00] <spaces> tomreyn the cli there
[18:00] <spaces> the menu, so the env :)
[18:00] <cukier> No, no. I Booted up fully, saw no errors, but the bug I had with random stuttering is still there.
[18:00] <cukier> :)
[18:00] <tomreyn> spaces: oh ok
[18:01] <tomreyn> cukier: i forgot which graphics hardware you have there, can you remind me?
[18:01] <spaces> tomreyn I'm a HA server guy, things get easier then... you just install a another server or take one out and reinstall... you never upgrade anymore, we do basics :)
[18:02] <tomreyn> spaces: i'm into HA.
[18:03] <spaces> tomreyn just ask me if you need anything ever :)
[18:03] <spaces> ok, here you go:
[18:03] <cukier> GeForce GTX 750 Ti
[18:03] <spaces> # swap was on /dev/sda6 during installation
[18:03] <spaces> UUID=f743a640-af4c-4ecb-823b-6acc06efedb3 none            swap    sw              0       0
[18:04] <cukier> but stutters are simultaneously with display and sound.
[18:04] <spaces> tomreyn this should work: /dev/sda6  none            swap    sw              0       0
[18:04] <tomreyn> spaces: does this UUID match the one reported for what seem to be the swap in lsblk and blkid outputs (minus the quotation marks)?
[18:04] <tomreyn> spaces: better stick to uuids if oyu can
[18:05] <cukier> i.e. sound and screen freeze at the same time
[18:05] <spaces> tomreyn ok, they match
[18:05] <tomreyn> cukier: did you install the proprietary nvidia driver?
[18:05] <cukier> I think so, let me check
[18:06] <tomreyn> spaces: hmm, that's strange. does "file -s /dev/sda6" report that its a swap FS?
[18:06] <qwebirc79768> hello
[18:06] <spaces> tomreyn /dev/sda6: Linux/i386 swap file (new style), version 1 (4K pages), size 1039615 pages, no label, UUID=f743a640-af4c-4ecb-823b-6acc06efedb3
[18:07] <qwebirc79768> I successfully installed ubuntu 16.04 on my old macbook pro
[18:07] <qwebirc79768> since the last update I cant see the menus anymore
[18:08] <qwebirc79768> I can login, but I don't the anything else except background and mouse
[18:08] <cukier> I have installed both `nouveau` and `nvidia-390`, `lshw -c video` shows `driver=nvidia`
[18:08] <tomreyn> spaces: oh that's i386. you switched to amd64 recently
[18:08] <tomreyn> spaces: mkswap it
[18:09] <FightingFalcon2> is it bad to set swapiness to 0
[18:09] <qwebirc79768> is it ok to ask this here. I'm a total beginner
[18:09] <spaces> tomreyn indeed, but was 16.04 32 bits still ? I thought it was not
[18:10] <tomreyn> qwebirc79768: it's fine to ask here. personally i can't help right now, too budsy, maybe soemone else can, or come back later.
[18:10] <qwebirc79768> I wait ;-)
[18:11] <spaces> tomreyn it does not make it 64bit ? mkswap /dev/sda6
[18:12] <spaces> tomreyn strange the guy installed 32 bits anyways
[18:13] <tomreyn> cukier: so you're using the proprietary nvidia driver. i'm not really able to help you improve it, i'm afraid. the nouveau driver *can* (rarely) be a better option if you don't care so much about graphics performance (i.e gaming may become impossible) but just want to get rid of the stuters. it may also be a different issue entirely, not related to graphics. that's hard to tell. did you post dmesg and syslog, yet?
[18:14] <tomreyn> spaces: better make sure /dev/sda6 is actualyl the swap partition before oyu do this, or refer to the partition using its uuid
[18:14] <cukier> There was nothing in dmesg. How to check syslog?
[18:14] <tomreyn> spaces: so: mkswap /dev/disk/by-uuid/f743a640-af4c-4ecb-823b-6acc06efedb3
[18:15] <cukier> I'll change my driver to nouveau. :) Thank you very much for your time.
[18:15] <tomreyn> cukier: syslog is /var/log/syslog. you can post it using: sudo cat /var/log/syslog | nc termbin.com 9999
[18:16] <spaces> tomreyn https://pastebin.com/itzUx1qK
[18:16] <tomreyn> spaces: i asusme this is dutch?
[18:17] <cukier> http://termbin.com/ztrm
[18:17] <spaces> tomreyn whoops, indeed, something stupid the installed of this system did a swell
[18:18] <tomreyn> spaces: i guess i need you to post this mkswap warning / error  in english
[18:18] <jiffe> anyone recommend an app for testing a usb cam at 120fps ?
[18:18] <spaces> tomreyn it's no error, can I set it to english again this locale ?
[18:18] <spaces> CLI only
[18:19] <tomreyn> spaces: also use either uuids or classic partition identifiers everywhere, dont mix (yes, i started it, sorry)
[18:19] <tomreyn> spaces: export LANG=C
[18:19] <spaces> tomreyn the uuid is just a symlink
[18:20] <tomreyn> spaces: right, but i dont know where to
[18:20] <spaces> tomaw https://pastebin.com/pswe5AU0
[18:21] <spaces> tomreyn ^
[18:22] <tomreyn> spaces: actually, that's my bad, sorry. Linux/i386 swap file is fine
[18:23] <spaces> tomreyn ok, should mount -a mount it ?
[18:23] <tomreyn> spaces: so can you swapon /dev/disk/by-uuid/74b9be14-c0a4-475d-8037-951829754719
[18:24] <spaces> tomreyn and now that is weird: swapon: cannot open /dev/disk/by-uuid/74b9be14-c0a4-475d-8037-951829754719: No such file or directory
[18:25] <spaces> it changed the id
[18:25] <tomreyn> spaces: sorry that's the FS UUID, we want the partition UUID as listed in blkid
[18:26] <tomreyn> so probably swapon /dev/disk/by-uuid/f743a640-af4c-4ecb-823b-6acc06efedb3
[18:26] <spaces> tomreyn Swap:             0           0           0
[18:26] <tomreyn> spaces: that's the output of free | grep Swap #?
[18:27] <spaces> yap
[18:27] <tomreyn> before or after running "swapon /dev/disk/by-uuid/f743a640-af4c-4ecb-823b-6acc06efedb3"?
[18:27] <tomreyn> f743a640-af4c-4ecb-823b-6acc06efedb3 is the uuid you have in fstab, right?
[18:27] <spaces> tomreyn yes
[18:28] <tomreyn> then you can just swapon -a and cat /proc/swaps
[18:28] <spaces> Filename                                Type            Size    Used    Priority
[18:29] <spaces> from the last, otherone is empty as well
[18:30] <tomreyn> spaces: please post all of: fstab, blkid, lsblk
[18:32] <spaces> tomreyn https://pastebin.com/1QF1WN20
[18:33] <spaces> tomreyn that UUID is really changed
[18:33] <tomreyn> spaces: yes it did
[18:33] <tomreyn> we need 74b9be14-c0a4-475d-8037-951829754719 in fstab
[18:33] <spaces> tomawwill create another symlink for it
[18:33] <spaces> yap
[18:34] <tomreyn> you should not need to create symlinks in /dev
[18:35] <spaces> tomreyn doe sit do that by fstab ?
[18:36] <tomreyn> the symlinks in /dev/by-uuid/ ? i think udev mantains them, but am not actually sure what does.
[18:36] <spaces> tomreyn ok so it needs a reboot after changing the fstab
[18:37] <tomreyn> spaces: it shouldn't, maybe partprobe
[18:37] <spaces> ok, but this doesn't work
[18:38] <qwebirc79768> i managed somehow to boot into cli. I apt-get update now
[18:39] <tomreyn> spaces: maybe "systemctl restart udev" then
[18:39] <spaces> tomreyn needs a reboot, it keeps refering to that old UUID
[18:40] <tomreyn> this may also work: echo "- - -" > /sys/class/scsi_host/host0/scan
[18:40] <spaces> already rebooted
[18:40] <tomreyn> :)
[18:41] <spaces> 'm a server admin :P
[18:41] <spaces> we like speed
[18:41] <spaces> (and XTC) :P
[18:41] <tomreyn> and rebooting
[18:41] <spaces> hehe HA ;) loadbalancers takecare of it :)(
[18:42] <spaces> same issue, swap = 0
[18:42] <tomreyn> can you show syslog
[18:44] <speedy01> tomreyn:
[18:44] <spaces> tomreyn doesn't show anything from this reboot
[18:45] <spaces> now swapon works :D
[18:45] <speedy01> tomreyn:  got it installed!  figured out a way to reset my bios, which allowed me to change the boot mode from uefi to legacy
[18:45] <tomreyn> spaces: nothing got logged into syslog for this latest boot?
[18:46] <spaces> tomreyn nope, strange is, swapon works now
[18:46] <spaces> but it's not there after boot
[18:46] <tomreyn> speedy01: glad it worked this way!
[18:46] <speedy01> no sure why it didn't like uefi and fedora did....also not sure why i coudln't change boot mode in the bios until I found the "reset option" but oh well!
[18:46] <speedy01> thank you very much for your time and help
[18:47] <tomreyn> speedy01: well it wasnt as much as i'd liked to. i'm sure you can get ubuntu installed in uefi mode, too, but it may take more fiddling.
[18:47] <tomreyn> maybe next instlal, you got it working now :)
[18:48] <tomreyn> spaces: i'm puzzled. it's got to be something with the systemd boot not working properly.
[18:48] <tomreyn> thus syslog would be useful
[18:49] <spaces> tomreyn yap, reinstall might be even an better idea
[18:50] <tomreyn> spaces: i would normally agree to this staement in general, but just for activating swap, that seems wrong. unless you have reasons to assume there are other issues?
[18:52] <spaces> tomreyn the system is not reliable this way if you ask me but indeed, you are right, too much work for only this
[18:53] <ioria> spaces, what version of ubuntu ?
[18:56] <spaces> ioria 18.04
[18:57] <ioria> spaces, so you should have a /swapfile ...
[18:58] <ioria> spaces, i mean, by default 18.04 uses swapfile not a partition
[18:58] <spaces> ioria now you say, they moved to a swap file indeed
[18:58] <spaces> nope not there
[18:59] <ioria> spaces, sudo file /swapfile   ; no output ?
[18:59] <spaces> # sudo file /swapfile
[18:59] <spaces> # /swapfile: cannot open `/swapfile' (No such file or directory)
[19:00] <ioria> spaces, weird
[19:00] <cukier> tomreyn: Syslog hinted that it was wifi card that was causing stuttering, and I think disabling it fixed the stutter! Thank you!
[19:01] <ioria> spaces, cat /var/log/installer/media-info
[19:01] <spaces> holy cow it comes from 12.04!
[19:01] <spaces> Ubuntu 12.04 "Precise" - Build i386 LIVE Binary 20120908-22:17
[19:01] <ioria> lol
[19:02] <ioria> spaces, uname -r
[19:02] <ioria> spaces, uname -a
[19:03] <spaces> Linux henk-VGN-FW21E 4.15.0-23-generic #25-Ubuntu SMP Wed May 23 17:59:24 UTC 2018 i686 i686 i686 GNU/Linux
[19:03] <tomreyn> oh its still 32 bit, good fine, ioria
[19:03] <tomreyn> *finD
[19:03] <ioria> yep, 32
[19:03] <tomreyn> spaces: you should reinstall then
[19:04] <ioria> spaces, is your cpu 64 bit capable ?
[19:04] <tomreyn> spaces: but check that the cpu can do 64-bit first
[19:05] <ioria> spaces, cat /proc/cpuinfo
[19:07] <tomreyn> ioria: Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU     P8400  @ 2.26GHz (family: 0x6, model: 0x17, stepping: 0x6) as per https://pastebin.com/U5a113p8
[19:08] <spaces> ioria it is, it's P8400
[19:08] <tomreyn> https://ark.intel.com/products/35569
[19:08] <tomreyn>  Instruction Set 64-bit
[19:08] <spaces> tomreyn ok, no way to go to 64 bit huh
[19:09] <ioria> spaces, so, why 32 bit install ?
[19:09] <tomreyn> yes there is. it's called installation
[19:09] <spaces> tomreyn hehe I know, will do that :)
[19:09] <spaces> I like it even more :D
[19:09] <ioria> spaces, your ram ?
[19:10] <spaces> OK, goingt o bring the owner some icecream :P
[19:10] <tomreyn> 4 GB
[19:10] <spaces> to say sorry for his "shit"
[19:10] <spaces> tomreyn 4G should be enough for some internetting
[19:10] <ioria> spaces, i'd say so
[19:10] <tomreyn> also for 64-bit
[19:10] <spaces> yeah really
[19:11] <spaces> I never installed 32 bits anymore since where was 64 bitsh, dunno why this guy did
[19:11] <spaces> ok cu later guys, thanks a lot for debugging :) (/me is more sysadmin and devver these days... on windows but servers on RH/Ubunt)
[19:11] <spaces> need to run!
[19:11] <spaces> otherwise I'm too late
[19:12]  * spaces hands tombusby a big icecream and ioria a smaller one :P 
[19:12] <spaces> tomreyn ^quick grab it !
[19:13] <ioria> it's enough  for me
[19:13] <ioria> i'am a diet
[19:14] <spaces> :D
[19:21] <tomreyn> qwebirc79768: are you still looking for help with "I successfully installed ubuntu 16.04 on my old macbook pro; I can login, but I don't the anything else except background and mouse"?
[19:38] <thatlizdude> is there like a standard way to start/end/restart a service? I'm always finding a different way to restart nginx, postgresql, or others..
[19:39] <tomreyn> thatlizdude: depends on your ubuntu version, or, more specifically, on which system initialization / service manager you use there.
[19:39] <thatlizdude> Ubuntu 16.04
[19:40] <thatlizdude> I'm not sure what you mean by system initialization or a service manager...
[19:40] <thatlizdude> I am pretty new to Ubuntu
[19:40] <tomreyn> systemctl then
[19:40] <thatlizdude> ye I've used that a bit
[19:40] <thatlizdude> what else is there?
[19:40] <tomreyn> service
[19:41] <thatlizdude> well I've used both then
[19:41] <thatlizdude> what *should* I use?
[19:41] <tomreyn> systemctl
[19:41] <rodd> the answer is probably no but. is there a way to listen to apple music on ubuntu?
[19:42] <thatlizdude> I'm reading this: http://www.configserverfirewall.com/ubuntu-linux/restart-nginx-ubuntu/
[19:42] <thatlizdude> and it says "On Ubuntu 14.04 you need to use the service command instead of the systemctl command."
[19:42] <thatlizdude> or actually nevermind
[19:42] <tomreyn> thatlizdude: that's right, but you said you'r eon ubuntu 16.04
[19:42] <sonicwind> systemd/systemctl came around with Ubuntu 16.04
[19:42] <thatlizdude> ye I thought it was 14.04 and up
[19:42] <thatlizdude> alright I'll use the systemctl then
[19:43] <thatlizdude> the only other way I remember doing it was: sudo /etc/init.d/nginx restart
[19:43] <thatlizdude> which also differs from the other ways...
[19:43] <sonicwind> there's some good links for converting the service/systemctl language around... I can get you a link if you'd like
[19:44] <thatlizdude> I haven't used service much, I'd learn systemctl from the very beginning :)
[19:44] <sonicwind> plenty of good webpages for that as well :-)
[19:44] <thatlizdude> so I should use systemctl instead of doing the /etc/init.d/nginx?
[19:44] <thatlizdude> yeah I'm pretty sure I'd find a tutorial
[19:45] <sonicwind> https://www.dynacont.net/documentation/linux/Useful_SystemD_commands/
[19:45] <sonicwind> great link
[19:46] <thatlizdude> oh yeah that one seems pretty simple
[19:46] <sonicwind> another good one - https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/how-to-use-systemctl-to-manage-systemd-services-and-units
[19:47] <thatlizdude> oh yeah those DO guides helped me a lot in the past
[19:47] <sonicwind> yup
[19:48] <sonicwind> I know a lot of people don't like their services apparently but they have some good guides
[19:48] <thatlizdude> so am I doing it wrong if I'm using the /etc/init.d/nginx?
[19:48] <tomreyn> thatlizdude: /etc/init.d/... iis the very old initv way, you dont usually use this nowadays. 'service' is the upstrart way, ubuntu used this on some past releases (14.04, i think also 12.04), 16.04 and later (and also some non LTS releases before this) use systemctl which is systemd.
[19:48] <sonicwind> I assume you have a nginx.service
[19:48] <tomreyn> thatlizdude: this is a rough and maybe not entirely correct summary.
[19:48] <sonicwind> you can check by doing systemctl status nginx.service
[19:49] <sonicwind> I don't use server stuff
[19:49] <thatlizdude> so if I use let's say service or init.d, would I see those services in systemctl or vice versa?
[19:49] <sonicwind> you can type just "systemctl" and see your services (big list)
[19:50] <sonicwind> or sudo systemctl
[19:50] <tomreyn> thatlizdude: so if you're happy to learn something now, you should focus on systemd (which has some compatibility for those old mechanisms, too, so you may also get to know the necessary parts of them that way)
[19:51] <thatlizdude> I'd be happy if my production VPS worked :D
[19:51] <thatlizdude> but yeah I'll definitely read up on those
[19:51] <tomreyn> thatlizdude: what doesn't work now?
[19:52] <thatlizdude> sometimes when I reboot my VPS I get an error from nginx
[19:52] <thatlizdude>                      which works as a reverse proxy for a website: "[emerg] 802#802: host
[19:52] <thatlizdude>                      not found in upstream "externaldomain.com" in
[19:52] <thatlizdude>                      /etc/nginx/sites-enabled/mydomain.com:12"
[19:52] <thatlizdude> oh I'm sorry I copy pasted that...
[19:52] <sonicwind> I like most of systemd now that I've gotten used to it... especially journalctl... much better way of using logs
[19:53] <thatlizdude> I posted that issue on #networking too, I'm not really sure what the "upstream IPs" mean
[19:53] <tomreyn> thatlizdude: those are probably resolver issues. maybe you have a non-responsive (or very slow to respond) resolver configured.
[19:54] <thatlizdude> but it did this even before I even setup a DNS
[19:54] <thatlizdude> I was accessing it directly with its own IPv4 before
[19:55] <tomreyn> thatlizdude: you were accessing what from where before you configured a DNS server (do you mewan a resolver) where?
[19:56] <thatlizdude> well whenever the issue occurred, it was on the line where I had something like "proxy_pass externaldomain.com", so I'm assuming you mean the DNS servers of the externaldomain.com?
[19:56] <tomreyn> thatlizdude: i think the nginx error message is about nginx requesting the ip address of "externaldomain.com" from the resolver configured on the system it runs on, and it doesn't receive a response in time, or an error message while doing so.
[19:57] <thatlizdude> well yeah sometimes it works sometimes it doesn't, so how could I make sure it doesn't crash my nginx service every time this happens?
[19:57] <tomreyn> i don't mean the authoritative DNS servers of externaldomain.com (this might also be possible, but its less likely)
[19:57] <thatlizdude> it always worked when I rebooted nginx manually
[19:58] <ikonia> right, beacusedns is available
[19:59] <tomreyn> on the system nginx runs on, determine which resolvers are configured (check /etc/resolv.conf), then test each of them to see whether they return the correct name resolution for externaldomain.com.
[19:59] <thatlizdude> ok I'll try
[19:59] <blackflow> thatlizdude: or define "resolver" directive in your nginx config.
[19:59] <tomreyn> systemd-resolve externaldomain.com
[20:00] <thatlizdude> so I got a list of 2 nameserver IPs
[20:00] <thatlizdude> I just put those like "systemd-resolve <ip>"?
[20:01] <ikonia> what is the external domain you're actually trying to resolve
[20:01] <thatlizdude> tomreyn: yeah that worked, it gave me an IP and said that data isn't authenticated
[20:02] <thatlizdude> I don't wanna give out that domain simply because for now it's private, sorry about that
[20:03] <ikonia> it's not private though, it's on the public internet
[20:04] <thatlizdude> if I won't find a solution I'll probably just leave it as it is, the only problem is that I will have to restart it manually all the time
[20:04] <ikonia> thatlizdude: what version of ubuntu are you using ?
[20:04] <thatlizdude> 16.04
[20:05] <ikonia> thatlizdude: ok, so that should have the dependency mapping for systemd "ok"
[20:05] <ikonia> thatlizdude: as a test, disable nginx from systemd, reboot the box, start nginx, does it work, I'll bet it does
[20:05] <ikonia> thatlizdude: I suspect the resoler you are using is slow to respond when the network comes up, nginx depends on the network so as soon as it see's it come up, it trys to start and fails
[20:05] <blackflow> ikonia: you suspect ordering wrt systemd-resolved?
[20:06] <ikonia> you then try it a few seconds later when dns is working fine
[20:06] <ikonia> blackflow: not so much ordering, more so crappy resolver, that's slow on init
[20:06] <ikonia> probably some home broadband provider
[20:06] <blackflow> right, so if "resolver" is added to nginx config, it'll resolve dynamically, not just on start
[20:06] <ikonia> thatlizdude: is this a machine "at home" or in a data center
[20:07] <blackflow> "resolver 127.0.1.1:53"  I think systemd-resolved listens there if I'm not mistaken?
[20:07] <ikonia> blackflow: can you add specific resolvers to nginx, I thought it had to sue the system ones
[20:07] <thatlizdude> it's in a data center
[20:07] <blackflow> ikonia: sure, there's "resolver" directive
[20:07] <blackflow> http://nginx.org/en/docs/http/ngx_http_core_module.html#resolver
[20:07] <ikonia> blackflow: I thought that was for if you where using it as a forward proxy, reverse, I thought it had to use the system (I could be wrong though)
[20:09] <tomreyn> thatlizdude: did you test both resolvers ther or just one?
[20:09] <thatlizdude> tbh I'm not sure how to test them :/
[20:09] <tomreyn> if you have 'dig' installed you can use this to test
[20:09] <tomreyn> HOSTNAME=externaldomain.com; for NS in $(awk '/^nameserver / {print $2}' /etc/resolv.conf ); do echo "[ nameserver $NS ]"; echo 'IPv4:'; dig -t A externaldomain.com @$NS +short; echo 'IPv6:'; dig -t AAAA externaldomain.com @$NS +short; echo; done
[20:09] <blackflow> ikonia: forward, reverse, doesn't matter for proxy_pass, with upstram and hostname.   at least afaik, could be wrong.   I'd start by adding that directive, see what happens -- OR, just suply an IP for the proxy_pass directove.
[20:10] <blackflow> *directive
[20:10] <tomreyn> this should return, for each resolver, at least one numberic value on ipv4 OR ipv6
[20:11] <thatlizdude> ikonia: when I stopped nginx, rebooted the VPS, nginx failed with the same error
[20:11] <ikonia> blackflow: I honestly don't know
[20:11] <ikonia> thatlizdude: did you disable it from auto starting ?
[20:12] <thatlizdude> well no
[20:12] <tomreyn> personally with reverse proxying which uses an FQDN i'd either run a local caching resolver or fix the name resolution via /etc/hosts
[20:12] <ikonia> thatlizdude: that's what I said to do
[20:12] <blackflow> thatlizdude: see if the "resolver" directive (see link above) helps, or just use proxy_pass with an IP
[20:14] <thatlizdude> well I tried using an IP directly, that gave me a 403 I believe, I had to use some other IP that the provider showed me
[20:14] <thatlizdude> well it wasn't really an IP what I used
[20:14] <thatlizdude> seems like I just can't access it directly with an IP
[20:16] <thatlizdude> tomreyn: alright I ran the script and it gave me responses for both
[20:16] <tomreyn> that's because accessing a website via its IP address is not the same as accessing it via a hostname which resolves to this ip address
[20:16] <blackflow> thatlizdude: if you can't by IP, then surely you can't by hostname.
[20:16] <tomreyn> (i was responding to your last but one statement there)
[20:17] <thatlizdude> I thought the hostname just takes you to the IP
[20:18] <tomreyn> thatlizdude: you probably know that multiple hostnames can reoslve to the same ip address. in shared web hosting this, it used to return different websites from the same server.
[20:19] <tomreyn> "this, i used" -> "this is"
[20:19] <thatlizdude> oh alright I think I get that
[20:19] <blackflow> note that proxy_pass by hostname won't change the Host header of the request. that's why using IP or hostname doesn't make a difference
[20:20] <thatlizdude> ikonia: I disabled nginx autostart, rebooted, then started it manually after reboot and it worked fine
[20:20] <tomreyn> thatlizdude: so if you make a direct HTTP request to http://1.2.3.4 this may return a different website (or none) than http://hostname-which-resolves-to1-1-1-1.com/
[20:21] <tomreyn> blackflow: oh is that so, i would have had to look this up.
[20:21] <thatlizdude> why would I need to change a Host header
[20:21] <thatlizdude> so should I manually specify the resolver directive?
[20:22] <tomreyn> thatlizdude: so based on what blackflow just said there is no difference in whether you use the hostname or ip address in the proxy_pass field in nginx when it comes to which content is returned. (i have not checked this againas tht edocumentation)
[20:23] <antilogic> Hello, has anyone had a problem where there was no video signal after suspend/wakeup (18.04) ?
[20:24] <thatlizdude> well now I don't get it then, I thought when using the IP the DNS resolver doesn't need to do anything...?
[20:25] <blackflow> thatlizdude: tomreyn: yeah, proxy_pass only specifies the remote end where nginx forwards the entire request, with original Host header in teh request.
[20:26] <tomreyn> i guess this makes sense
[20:26] <hays> irc as root.. risky
[20:26] <blackflow> and that's important, because if you have a request against example.com (Host: example.com),  proxy_pass to   my-proxy.mysite.com,     the web server running on my-proxy.mysite.com will get a request for  example.com
[20:29] <thatlizdude> alright so what could I do to fix this, specify the resolver?
[20:31] <blackflow> thatlizdude: I think your problem is that nginx resolves the hostname when it parses the config, unless oyu specify "resolver". I guess when nginx starts, there's a probelm resolving at that particular moment. So you have a few solutions. Specify "resolver" in config for dynamic resolving, use an IP instead of hostname for proxy_pass, or see of starting nginx After=systemd-resolved.service makes a
[20:31] <blackflow> difference.
[20:31] <thatlizdude> where would I find the IP to use though?
[20:33] <blackflow> thatlizdude: run `hostname yourhostnamehere.com`  ?
[20:33] <ikonia> it's your box/site
[20:33] <blackflow> uh I mean `host`  not   `hostname`  lol
[20:33] <thatlizdude> too late
[20:34] <mrakoya> hola
[20:34] <mrakoya> hi
[20:34] <blackflow> thatlizdude: well you got an error if you ran 'hostname', unless you ran sudo, which you shouldn't have.
[20:34] <thatlizdude> I did run sudo
[20:34] <thatlizdude> ...
[20:34] <blackflow> WHY
[20:34] <blackflow> .................
[20:34] <thatlizdude> because it said I don't have a permission lol
[20:34] <thatlizdude> sudo gets rid of those errors lmao
[20:35] <blackflow> no, man. just no.
[20:36] <thatlizdude> I'll change it back to what it was
[20:36] <thatlizdude> apparently it's in /etc/hostname
[20:36] <blackflow> what's the point of telling people not to IRC as root, when they'll just `sudo` stuff without thinking.
[20:36] <thatlizdude> alright won't happen again, I changed it back
[20:36] <thatlizdude> I hope
[20:37] <thatlizdude> what would it do if I set it to the wrong hostname?
[20:37] <ikonia> you shouldnt be running a server
[20:37] <ikonia> sorry
[20:37] <ikonia> your approach is bad
[20:37] <thatlizdude> well I wasn't all that excited about it but I needed to get it working
[20:37] <blackflow> I totally agree with ikonia. It's a bit irresponsible to run a server on public internet, server that can _harm_ others on the internet, if you're this careless.
[20:38] <blackflow> it's actually totally irresponsible and rude.
[20:38] <thatlizdude> how is it going to harm others?
[20:38] <Bitcoiner69> is there some kind of script that works on ubuntu that has like a kill switch if openvpn disconnects
[20:38] <blackflow> thatlizdude: because that server will get compromised, and used in a botnet to DDoS others, or send spam.
[20:38] <Bitcoiner69> mainly for transmission or deluge
[20:38] <thatlizdude> well that's possible since I'm not a sys admin
[20:39] <thatlizdude> tbh it's not my fault that the owner doesn't have a sys admin to set this up
[20:39] <klaasvakie> Hi, I'm having a problem with systemd-resolvd not resolving any DNS names. I've tried systemd-resolve --status and it shows my dns servers under the "Global" header. journalctl -u systemd-resolved -f doesn't show any errors. Changing the nameserver in resolv.con from 127.0.0.53 to 8.8.8.8 gets things working again.
[20:39] <klaasvakie>  any ideas?
[20:40] <klaasvakie> 18.04 b.t.w but with ifupdown, not netplan
[20:41] <mmodym> yo !
[20:41] <thatlizdude> I'll try and figure it out but thank you guys for helping me
[20:41] <blackflow> klaasvakie: if you're going to force a resolver upstream, then set DNS= and/or FallbackDNS= in /etc/systemd/resolved.  /etc/resolv.conf is a symlink to a volatile file in tmpfs that will disappear on reboot
[20:42] <blackflow> thatlizdude: using an IP in proxy_pass is the simplest solution.
[20:42] <spaces> tomreyn back, no problem will reinstall it, it are friends... so that is what we do for eachother :)
[20:42] <spaces> 77 year and running Ubunt ;)
[20:42] <spaces> *Ubuntu
[20:42] <thatlizdude> blackflow: I'll try and be more responsible with my handling of servers and learn more about it, but right now I'm just not experienced
[20:43] <blackflow> thatlizdude: just keep in mind NOT to run sudo unless you really have to and understand what the consequences of a command are.
[20:43] <blackflow> I typo'd hostname. someone malicious could've done far worse.
[20:43] <klaasvakie> blackflow, found it, DnsStubListener was set to no
[20:44] <thatlizdude> I did run "host externaldomain.com" and received an address (IPv4), IPv6, and 2 mail servers
[20:44] <thatlizdude> when I try to access it directly with the IPv4 it won't let me
[20:45] <blackflow> thatlizdude: access how?
[20:45] <blackflow> in proxy_pass?
[20:45] <thatlizdude> I just put it in the browser, I assumed proxy_pass would do the same...
[20:46] <blackflow> thatlizdude: nope. I explained the difference :)
[20:46] <thatlizdude> yeah I knew I didn't fully get it :/
[20:46] <blackflow> thatlizdude: browser takes your address and converts it to the http request header,  setting "Host" header according to domain name
[20:47] <blackflow> thatlizdude: proxy_pass just forwards the entire request, "Host" header included from original, to the specificed machine.
[20:47] <blackflow> thatlizdude: so if you put an ip in your address bar, there's no "Host" header set.
[20:47] <thatlizdude> what is the "original"
[20:48] <blackflow> thatlizdude: whatever the http requeest was against the server that's doing the proxying
[20:49] <blackflow> thatlizdude: when you use http://URL  with a http client, the client parses that URL ant prepares headers.   http://example.com/somepage.html   will get turned into    GET /somepage.html HTTP/1.1\r\nHost: example.com
[20:49] <blackflow> *and
[20:50] <blackflow> thatlizdude: so when you make a proxy_pass, the server will contact the remote side from that proxy_pass directive and hand over the entire request header, unless you change it with proxy_set_header directives.
[20:51] <blackflow> thatlizdude: if you need more info, you'll have to work out some google magick, explaining how HTTP works is too verbose for irc
[20:51] <spaces> can we ISO 18.04 still on a 4G USB ?
[20:51] <hfp> Hi, is there any point trying to configure postfix just to use an external email server to send mail? Or could I remove postfix and use ssmtp instead?
[20:52] <ikonia> postfix is a simple MTA
[20:52] <ikonia> swapping it out is more work than configuring it
[20:52] <thatlizdude> I think I get most of it now
[20:52] <hfp> ikonia: I'm probably doing it wrong, it's giving me headaches. Which mode should I choose to use it as a relay, Internet Site?
[20:53] <ikonia> depends on your configuration, I don't use the configure curses interface
[20:53] <ikonia> I just configure it
[20:53] <thatlizdude> so I tried "proxy_pass <ip>", and it didn't take the config (errored), and "proxy_pass http://<ip>/" and it gave me a 403...
[20:53] <spaces> ikonia esmtp is better for only relaying
[20:53] <ikonia> I dont think it is
[20:54] <spaces> ikonia for only sending out ? it is
[20:54] <blackflow> thatlizdude: well are you sure the remote side is properly configured?
[20:54] <spaces> I mean Ssmtp btw
[20:54] <spaces> sSMTP
[20:54] <thatlizdude> I honestly have no idea, I don't have control over that
[20:55] <ikonia> I don't think it is
[20:55] <blackflow> thatlizdude: you'll have to figure that out. this is beyond Ubuntu specific support.
[20:55] <thatlizdude> I guess I could try and run the systemd.resolve before nginx?
[20:55] <ikonia> postfix is just fine for sending out email
[20:56] <blackflow> thatlizdude: you can test with curl.       curl -H 'Host: domain-of-your-primary-server.com' http://domain-in-proxy-pass.com/somepage.html
[20:57] <blackflow> thatlizdude: or I think domain-in-proxy-pass.com  must be an IP, not sure. at any rate, -H must specify the domain of the server which is doing proxy_pass.
[20:58] <hfp> alright I'm going to dig deeper with postfix, I think I'm almost there
[20:58] <spaces> ikonia telling your don't think doesn't tell shit
[20:59] <blackflow> hfp: ssmtp is a bit unmaintained and has issues with revaliases. I'd just use postfix everywhere for everyhitng MTA related. it's one-liner to get it use a smarthost.
[20:59] <spaces> blackflow ssmtp is maintained
[20:59] <blackflow> spaces: upstream URL?
[21:00] <spaces> mhh I thjionk msmtp I was using :)
[21:00] <blackflow> iirc it's now specific to debian and kept on life support, if at all.
[21:00] <spaces> yes msmtp
[21:00] <spaces> that one, it's great
[21:00] <thatlizdude> blackflow: it took a domain, printed out an HTML response
[21:00] <spaces> blackflow cannot check
[21:01] <blackflow> thatlizdude: tried also with just an IP instead of domain-in-proxy-pass.com ?
[21:01] <blackflow> spaces: don't worry, there isn't any. it's a dead project.
[21:01] <oerheks> spaces, so you are pointing to 2 different smtp packages..
[21:01] <thatlizdude> yeah it worked with an IP too
[21:02] <thatlizdude> so the error is on my side right?
[21:02] <blackflow> thatlizdude: well in that case I'd really have to ask you to pastebin configs you're using, with proper hostnames so I can check what's going on. orry.
[21:02] <blackflow> *sorry
[21:03] <spaces> blackflow you don't need postfix, it's overrated for simple relaying
[21:03] <spaces> blackflow and code that doesn't need to be changed doesn't need to be changed
[21:03] <thatlizdude> yeah I think I might just do that later, maybe tomorrow
[21:03] <thatlizdude> I'm probably just gonna go to sleep now :)
[21:03] <blackflow> spaces: there's open bug reports tho'
[21:04] <thatlizdude> thank you very much for helping me
[21:04] <blackflow> thatlizdude: perhaps ask in #nginx, I doubt this is ubuntu specific.
[21:04] <thatlizdude> I'll read up on some server management tools
[21:04] <thatlizdude> yeah I guess so
[21:04] <thatlizdude> thanks
[21:04] <hfp> blackflow: one liner? My config file is like 30 lines. I got it to work though, only had a small typo!
[21:06] <blackflow> hfp: oneliner to turn it into a smarthost client. "relayhost" directive ;)
[21:09] <hfp> blackflow: in your main.cf? where do you actually configure it?
[21:10] <blackflow> hfp: yeah, main.cf
[21:10] <hfp> blackflow: ha, will try it right now
[21:11] <hfp> where do you put your actual smtp server address, username, password, etc though?
[21:11] <blackflow> hfp: for the smarthost?
[21:14] <ikonia> spaces:  tone down the lanaguage, and telling you that I disagree with you that another tool is "better" is just that, telling you I disagree
[21:19] <oerheks> ssmtp not maintained, so no TSL 1.3?
[21:19] <ddoobb> Can backups from the built in backup tool be used to restore files to other distros?
[21:20] <hfp> blackflow: maybe I dont know what a smarthost is actually. I know nothing about postfix :D
[21:21] <blackflow> hfp: "the external mail server", which you'd use with ssmtp -- that's called a smarthost. you can setup SASL credentials with a map... lemme find the README
[21:21] <oerheks> ddoobb, from build-in Déjà Dup, sure i don't see why not
[21:21] <blackflow> hfp: http://www.postfix.org/SOHO_README.html#client_sasl_enable
[21:21] <blackflow> hfp: and if you have more questions, I suggest #postfix, as this is not really Ubuntu specific ;)
[21:22] <ddoobb> Which is the recommended tool for a full partition backup?
[21:22] <ikonia> clonezilla is well liked
[21:23] <oerheks> live iso and dd or the disks-tool
[21:26] <spaces> oerheks you misplaced or missed an h :)
[21:28] <Rumen> Hello everyone!
[21:28] <hfp> blackflow: ok yeah that's what I have, it's more than one line so I was surprised ;)
[21:29] <Rumen> Today installed Nvidia drivers 390. The installer installed also 340 but there was a conflict. So I removed 340.
[21:29] <hfp> ddoobb: clonezilla is amazing, try it
[21:29] <blackflow> hfp: well I mean "one liner" to use a remote relay. SASL auth of course takes more.
[21:29] <hfp> blackflow: yeah that's fair, just misunderstood you
[21:30] <Rumen> Now almost everything works, but every 5 second the video freeze for about 1 second.
[21:30] <Rumen> Any idea how to fix that and where can be the problem?
[21:32] <oerheks> i read more complaints about the drivers in our repos, maybe the driver ppa version works better, also 396 available
[21:33] <oerheks> https://launchpad.net/~graphics-drivers/+archive/ubuntu/ppa
[21:33] <blackflow> I'm using that PPA because default 390 is a freeze fiesta here
[21:34] <Rumen> these are the results of glmark2 https://pastebin.com/QXYek7MV
[21:35] <ddoobb> is there an iso with both gparted and clonezilla?
[21:35] <Rumen> Clonezilla iso https://clonezilla.org/downloads.php
[21:36] <blaster> I just did a apt-upgrade on my remote web server and then rebooted and now I can't connect on port 22.  It seems to have updated "ebtables" which has caused this. What are my options?
[21:36] <ddoobb> That doesnt have gparte
[21:36] <ddoobb> d
[21:37] <oerheks> ddoobb, no, both have seperate isos, not even on ubcd http://www.ultimatebootcd.com/ubcdlive.html
[21:38] <blaster> Nevermind, it just took way longer than usual to reboot.
[21:39] <ddoobb> oerheks ubcd seems to have both right?
[21:39] <oerheks> err right, under rescue.. didn't see that
[21:39] <oerheks> :-D
[21:40] <spaces> oeh 18.04 is really fastern then 16.04
[21:43] <usuario> ADm
[21:43] <usuario> ADM
[21:43] <usuario> usuario
[21:46] <kortoz> hey guys, is ubuntu good as a privacy oriented distro?
[21:48] <oerheks> ..and not here to cause damage to foss ecosystem?
[21:49] <kortoz> ?
[21:49] <kortoz> oerheks?
[21:50] <hfp> oerheks: the live ubcd was not pleasant to use for me, it's beta quality, I wouldn't use it just yet for the important stuff
[21:50] <oerheks> kortoz, you might better explain what you mean with privacy eco system :-)
[21:51] <oerheks> hfp, i know ubcd for a long time now, never had issues
[21:51] <kortoz> well, not collecting all sorts of info like win10
[21:51] <kortoz> i know there have been some controversies
[21:51] <kortoz> but do you see canonical and ubuntu as trustworthy?
[21:51] <blackflow> yes
[21:51] <kortoz> + is ubuntu desktop still going to get refinement?
[21:51] <hfp> oerheks: right it means it has two versions: one that is ncurses only and one that has a gui. I was talking about the gui
[21:52] <oerheks> all linux versions have an option for feedback/stats, don't use that then
[21:52] <kortoz> i meant more like not connecting to my microphone when i don't want it and such
[21:54] <hfp> kortoz: it's not so simple. even if your os isn't malicious you still have to run closed source drivers, software from various sources... generally it's seen as safer than windows or os x which are closed source because at least with most unices people can look at the code and spot things like that, but there are no guarantees
[21:55] <hfp> kortoz: even the code running on your motherboard (hello IME) does... nobody but intel and the nsa knows what
[21:55] <kortoz> thanks hfp
[21:56] <hfp> in general, it's probably better than running a closed source os, but it's not a guarantee that you'll be bulletproof safe.
[22:01] <spaces> what kind of size do we need for / these days ? I normally made partitions for everything but it seems /home is only the seperate partition you need these days
[22:03] <oerheks> standard fresh ubuntu 18.04 uses 1 partition and a swapfile, but you are free to choose
[22:04] <oerheks> !partitioning
[22:04] <spaces> oerheks yeah for simple users maybe best
[22:04] <spaces> is encrypted disk really slower ?
[22:06] <oerheks> good trivia question
[22:09] <blackflow> insignificantly, especially if you have a modern cpu with AESNI
[22:09] <blackflow> (speaking of LUKS of course)
[22:09] <spaces> yeah this is fairly old laptop, I see some online charts here...
[22:15] <spaces> will be much better then an old 32bits upgrade from 12.04 :P
[22:21] <thatlizdude> I fixed the issue! for those who care, it was because I had Host as $proxy_host instead of $host
[22:22] <oerheks> thatlizdude, good spot
[22:23] <thatlizdude> it took me too long to figure it out...
[22:23] <thatlizdude> but I can't be happier :)
[22:46] <JFox762> hi
[22:48] <JFox762> !nickserv
[22:49] <ohjeachan> Anyone have experience with Nvidia drivers?
[22:52] <flyingtoaster> sorry nope
[22:55] <ohjeachan> Going to test something brb
[22:59] <spaces> so now an SSD in this old laptop and it will be MUCH faster
[23:07] <ohjeachan> installing drivers from terminal fixed the issue, must have had a problem I didn't see when I installed from Software and Updates
[23:07] <ohjeachan> All good now
[23:08] <guiverc_d> well done ohjeachan :)
[23:10] <ohjeachan> Since I never really stated what the problem was, the boot up on my system after installing the drivers was far too slow. First install from Software and Updates and reboot took 10 minutes just to get to login
[23:31] <pedrocr> I installed libgstreamer-plugins-bad1.0-0 but the actual plugins don't seem to become available
[23:36] <guiverc_d> pedrocr, i don't know the packages (just use it), but it contains [decoder] libraries that need to be called by apps  - what do you mean by plugins??
[23:36] <guiverc_d> (https://packages.ubuntu.com/bionic/gstreamer1.0-plugins-ugly)
[23:38] <pedrocr> guiverc_d: $ gst-inspect-1.0 h264parse -> No such element or plugin 'h264parse'
[23:38] <pedrocr> the h264parse element was supposed to be in plugins-bad
[23:38] <pedrocr> that's installed but it's not available
[23:40] <guiverc_d> what version of Ubuntu are you using ??  (i'll be slow to respond;  something has come up)
[23:40] <pedrocr> bionic
[23:52] <guiverc_d> yeah no results for https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=h264parse ; but its not listed as part of gstreamer1.0-plugins-ugly  (my prior link)
[23:56] <Lady_Aly> I'm looking for some solutions to a problem I'm having with Linux.  I'm running Ubuntu 18.04 Bionic Beaver on a Lenovo Flex 2-15 (i5-4210U; Intel HD4400; 4GB RAM; Currently running OS off WD "My Passport" 2TB External HDD).  The Problem I'm having is that the OS keeps completely freezing up on me, where I have to do a hard boot.  I'm fairly new to Linux and all the information I can find is if I have an nvidia graphics card (which I don't).  Any help?
[23:57] <spaces> oh Ubuntu is sooo easy peasy to install these days
[23:57] <spaces> my dog could even do it
[23:57] <spaces> ^she likes bevers
[23:57] <rud0lf> is she trained to fetch urls?
[23:58] <pedrocr> guiverc_d: it wouldn't return results as it's not a file
[23:58] <pedrocr> guiverc_d: these elements are included in .so plugin files
[23:59] <spaces> rud0lf he catches everything she thinks she can eat :D
[23:59] <spaces> *she
[23:59] <rud0lf> :)
[23:59] <pedrocr> guiverc_d: in this case it should probably be /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libgstcodecparsers-1.0.so.0
[23:59] <pedrocr> guiverc_d: guess it's time for a bug report