[00:40] <Eickmeyer> cyphermox: Okay, so in reading the policy, this needs to happen: by installing calf-plugins, calf-ladspa needs to be removed. The two will conflict, and since calf-ladspa is depricated, calf-plugins nees to provide, confict, and replace.
[00:41] <Eickmeyer> Basically, the root of much of the crashing problems (and in my experience, confirmed by the github issue I linked above) is the calf-ladspa package.
[00:42] <Eickmeyer> Am I correct with provides, conflicts, AND replaces?
[18:37] <captain-tux> Hi! o/
[18:37] <Eickmeyer> Hi!
[18:38]  * Eickmeyer isn't feeling too well, bad side-effect of a medication he's on.
[18:39] <captain-tux> Ugh.. what have you done?
[18:41] <Eickmeyer> I have restless leg syndrome, so my dr put me on a medication and had me ramp it up to the highest dose. I don't think the highest dose is good for me.
[18:43] <captain-tux> Oh, not cool.
[18:50] <eylul> hi and yikes
[18:50] <eylul> Today I realized I completely forgot to do the pdf/epub of the guide.
[18:50] <eylul> on it now
[18:52] <Eickmeyer> Oh cool! The handbook got some press this week.
[18:52] <Eickmeyer> I figure with the edits regarding VST plugins we're okay.
[18:53] <eylul> yeah the omgbuntu article might have reminded me of it ;)
[18:54] <Eickmeyer> Cool. Just going to do a copy/paste? I can get you a larger version of the cover if you'd like.
[18:56] <eylul> actually unless we go for a print version we don't need a much higher resolution.. (I think)
[18:56] <eylul> let me double check
[18:56]  * eylul is having a tiny bit of an issue logging to the wiki
[18:58] <Eickmeyer> I've had to let the login page just sit there. Quite annoying.
[19:00] <eylul> yep it just took forever. :)
[19:01] <Eickmeyer> Okay, here we go...
[19:01] <Eickmeyer> #startmeeting
[19:01] <meetingology> Meeting started Sat Jul  7 19:01:39 2018 UTC.  The chair is Eickmeyer. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[19:01] <Eickmeyer> #chair krytarik eylul captain-tux OvenWerks
[19:01] <meetingology> Current chairs: Eickmeyer OvenWerks captain-tux eylul krytarik
[19:02]  * Eickmeyer hopes he's not forgetting anyone
[19:02] <Eickmeyer> Anyhow... I guess we can get started.
[19:02] <Eickmeyer> We can continue the conversation we were having just before I hit the button RE: Handbook
[19:02] <Eickmeyer> #topic Audio Handbook
[19:03] <Eickmeyer> eylul: You said you were working on the pdf and epub, and I mentioned I could get you a larger version of the cover. My reasoning was because the small version wouldn't translate to a full-page cover on a PDF very well.
[19:03] <Eickmeyer> I also added "by Peter Reppert and the Ubuntu Studio team" to the bottom-left-corner.
[19:04] <Eickmeyer> er, bottom right corner
[19:04]  * Eickmeyer doesn't know his left from his right today... ask captain-tux.
[19:04] <eylul> haha 
[19:04] <eylul> ok email it to me?
[19:04] <Eickmeyer> Yep. Can do.
[19:04] <Eickmeyer> Just gotta get Krita to export a PNG, probably just need the library installed.
[19:05] <eylul> should I create a PPA for myself and stick the epub in there along with the pdf output? 
[19:05] <eylul> epub can serve as source code
[19:05] <Eickmeyer> Not a bad idea.
[19:05] <eylul> until we find a good way to export epub/pdf directly out of wiki that is
[19:05] <Eickmeyer> Then we can publish there and link to it. I was just going to do an attachment in the wiki and link it.
[19:05] <Eickmeyer> But, I like your idea better.
[19:06] <eylul> it should ideally be a PPA in the ubuntustudio assets
[19:06] <eylul> but I assume if I can SOMEHOW put it into a dev ppa, you can pull it easily enough from there
[19:06] <Eickmeyer> That's easy to do. Just make a local git repo and git push to lp:~eylul/ubuntustudio/+git/handbook or something like that.
[19:07] <Eickmeyer> Or, just do it the easy way. :)
[19:07] <eylul> which is?
[19:07] <Eickmeyer> dput? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
[19:07] <OvenWerks> I am sure we could make it one of the ubuntustudio-core owned subs
[19:08] <Eickmeyer> Yeah.
[19:08] <OvenWerks> https://launchpad.net/~ubuntustudio-documentation
[19:08] <OvenWerks> eylul: you are a member there anyway.
[19:09] <Eickmeyer> So, one just needs to create a ppa under that.
[19:09] <eylul> yep but you know me and versioning software.
[19:09] <OvenWerks> the git can be under that too: https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntustudio-documentation
[19:09] <eylul> ok lets figure this out after the meeting I don't want to hog the time
[19:09]  * Eickmeyer gives a thumbsup
[19:10] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: You good with assisting with that?
[19:10] <OvenWerks> ok
[19:10] <Eickmeyer> #action eylul to create epub & pdf and upload to -documentation team ppa, OvenWerks to assist
[19:10] <meetingology> ACTION: eylul to create epub & pdf and upload to -documentation team ppa, OvenWerks to assist
[19:11] <Eickmeyer> Reason being is that it seems eylul and versioning software don't get along. :)
[19:11] <OvenWerks> I don't know if I will be available right after meeting... but I will work with it.
[19:11] <Eickmeyer> Cool
[19:11] <eylul> :)
[19:11] <Eickmeyer> Cool, then.. moving right along...
[19:11] <Eickmeyer> #topic Progress Reports
[19:12] <Eickmeyer> #subtopic ubuntustudio-controls
[19:12] <OvenWerks> ready to test, ready to release...
[19:12] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: Is this ready for upload?
[19:12] <OvenWerks> I need bug reports to do much else
[19:13] <Eickmeyer> Sweet.  Let's give cyphermox, tsimonq2, and or Ross the heads-up on this.
[19:13] <Eickmeyer> (they will probably see this, but Ross will need an email)
[19:14] <OvenWerks> The best test case is to install on a non-ubuntustudio flavour to test rt fix
[19:14] <OvenWerks> (worked for me)
[19:14] <Eickmeyer> Gotcha. Truth be told, I'm on a Kubuntu install that I converted to Ubuntu Studio at the moment.
[19:15] <Eickmeyer> -controls seems to run rather smoothly in my setup, but qjackctl doesn't like it, and other than Catia I have yet to find a good way to monitor Jack with it running from -controls.
[19:16] <OvenWerks> carla works too.
[19:16] <Eickmeyer> Yeah, but carla doesn't show xruns.
[19:16] <OvenWerks> if qjackctl is started after jack is running it works fine
[19:16] <eylul> we did have a few new people who offered to help. we could reach out to them too, and ask them to test the daily image? assuming it will be there?
[19:16] <Eickmeyer> Yeah, most have said they'd be up for testing.
[19:18] <Eickmeyer> Well, should we have them subscribe to the Autobuilds PPA?
[19:19] <eylul> we should probably contact them via email first
[19:19] <eylul> then surprise. :) 
[19:19] <OvenWerks> Is there anything else in there that may be a problem?
[19:19] <eylul> that's a good question
[19:20] <Eickmeyer> I'm subscribed to it and haven't seen any problems.
[19:20] <OvenWerks> ya it looks ok.
[19:21] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: it should be possible to build Catia separate from Cadence.
[19:21] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: Not in my experience. It depends on carla-data.
[19:21] <Eickmeyer> er, cadence-data
[19:21] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: :)
[19:22] <OvenWerks> so maybe write a bug against -controls to show xruns as a start
[19:22] <Eickmeyer> When you install catia, it only pulls-in cadence-data, so cadence itself doesn't get pulled-in, though cadence will pull catia in.
[19:22] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: Okay, I'll do that.
[19:22] <Eickmeyer> Okay. OvenWerks, do you want to do the call-for-testing email for -controls?
[19:22] <OvenWerks> I could detect cadence is installed and limit what controls can do in that case.
[19:23] <Eickmeyer> Oh, not a bad idea! That way I could get rid of the Breaks: line in the debian/control file.
[19:23] <OvenWerks> But I don't use cadence because it is quite intrusive
[19:23] <OvenWerks> Once cadence is installed, pulse will no longer start without cadence running.
[19:24] <Eickmeyer> Right, unless you edit ~/.pulse/client.conf
[19:24] <OvenWerks> That may be ok for audio users, but not for graphics only users
[19:24] <Eickmeyer> Yeah. I don't think cadence should be installed by default, but it has been requested.
[19:24] <OvenWerks> hopefully a good -controls will help that not to be needed
[19:25] <OvenWerks> I will write the email. I was hoping for a release first though.
[19:25] <Eickmeyer> Yeah. Honestly, the features in Cadence, aside from the pulse bridge, are available in Catia alone.
[19:25] <OvenWerks> I will include how to add the autobuilds PPA
[19:25] <Eickmeyer> Cool.
[19:26] <Eickmeyer> #action OvenWerks to put a call-for-testing out to the -devel ML, instructions to add autobuild PPA.
[19:26] <meetingology> ACTION: OvenWerks to put a call-for-testing out to the -devel ML, instructions to add autobuild PPA.
[19:26] <Eickmeyer> Shall we move on to the next topic?
[19:26] <OvenWerks> I have no more for that
[19:26] <Eickmeyer> Cool.
[19:26] <Eickmeyer> #subtopic ubuntustudio-plasma
[19:27] <Eickmeyer> Any progress?
[19:27] <OvenWerks> not really.
[19:27] <OvenWerks> I have been working on Ardour for the past few weeks.
[19:28] <OvenWerks> I will have a seed up soon, after that I don't know how to go about getting a second ISO built
[19:28] <Eickmeyer> Okay. I noticed a cool file in /etc that configures the "About This System" to customize the distro & logo.
[19:29] <Eickmeyer> That sould be a matter of contacting the release team.
[19:29] <OvenWerks> which file?
[19:30] <Eickmeyer> Trying to remember...
[19:30]  * OvenWerks notes that changing the os-release file may have odd problems
[19:31] <Eickmeyer> Nah, it's a simple little config file specifically for the plasma system info app.
[19:31] <OvenWerks> Ah, ok
[19:32] <Eickmeyer> KInfoCenter
[19:33] <Eickmeyer> /etc/xdg/kcm-about-distrorc
[19:33] <Eickmeyer> That's it.
[19:33] <Eickmeyer> Anyhow, anything else on this topic?
[19:33] <OvenWerks> ok, I will be doing the plasma seed as a bzr repo for now. I don't know how they want git repos set
[19:34] <Eickmeyer> They might not want seeds as git yet for all I know.
[19:34] <Eickmeyer> tsimonq2 would have more info.
[19:34] <OvenWerks> I know they wated master with branch per cycle or something like that
[19:34] <OvenWerks> bzr has repo per cycle
[19:35] <Eickmeyer> Yeah. Branch per cycle makes sense.
[19:35] <OvenWerks> (or maybe even tag per cyce)
[19:35] <Eickmeyer> Yeah.
[19:35] <Eickmeyer> Shall we move on?
[19:36] <OvenWerks> ok]
[19:36] <Eickmeyer> #subtopic Plymouth Theme
[19:36] <Eickmeyer> eylul: Any progress?
[19:37] <Eickmeyer> (looks like we may need to come back to this)
[19:38] <Eickmeyer> Okay, moving along for now. eylul, if you come back, we'll go back to this topic.
[19:38] <Eickmeyer> #subtopic Website theme and backend access)
[19:39] <Eickmeyer> Still roadblocked on this one. Honestly, I haven't been working too much on the administrative end on this, the past two weeks have been crazy and I've been learning a lot about packaging.
[19:39] <Eickmeyer> So, that's my progress report.
[19:39] <Eickmeyer> Anybody have anything to add?
[19:40] <eylul> no progress on plymouth theme
[19:40] <Eickmeyer> Okay.
[19:40] <Eickmeyer> No worries.
[19:40] <Eickmeyer> :)
[19:40] <eylul> :) 
[19:40] <Eickmeyer> #subtopic Packaging for Carla
[19:40] <OvenWerks> please test?
[19:41] <Eickmeyer> So, I've got it packaged in a very dirty way, and it doesn't include the wine bridges, which looks like they have to be packaged separately to keep carla from pulling-in wine.
[19:41] <OvenWerks> same as lmms
[19:41] <Eickmeyer> I ran into a compilation error on the 32-bit side where it just plain wouldn't compile even though I had the right dependencies and everything.
[19:43] <Eickmeyer> So, that's where I'm at. Testing Carla would probably be good, but since it's just a git snapshot with a /debian directory added, any bug reports will have to be reported upstream.
[19:44] <Eickmeyer> Any questions?
[19:45] <Eickmeyer> Okay, moving along
[19:45] <Eickmeyer> #topic Discussion
[19:45] <Eickmeyer> #subtopic Replacing lightdm with sddm
[19:45] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: I believe this was your idea.
[19:46] <OvenWerks> ya
[19:46] <Eickmeyer> The floor is yours, my friend. :)
[19:47] <OvenWerks> It deals with wayland sessions better
[19:47] <Eickmeyer> Would this be something we can or should do this cycle?
[19:48] <OvenWerks> I noticed that when I added plasma, that it gave two entries in the login page using lightdm. As happens the first one was really for plasma with wayland and so failed.
[19:48] <OvenWerks> it failed in such a way that I needed to reboot
[19:48] <Eickmeyer> Yikes
[19:49] <Eickmeyer> And, from what I saw you write before, sddm doesn't have this problem.
[19:49] <OvenWerks> using the sddm at least puts a (wayland) behind anything for that
[19:50] <Eickmeyer> Yeah. And from what I've seen, sddm is fairly customizable, so we could even come up with our own theme from that.
[19:50] <OvenWerks> Now it is possible to configure both sddm and lightdm to look in a different directory for the desktop files, so that is another solution.
[19:50] <OvenWerks> that is another thing.
[19:52] <OvenWerks> US-plasma will probably, at first come with sddm
[19:52] <OvenWerks> so maybe test it there
[19:53] <Eickmeyer> Yeah. So, maybe hold-off on switching xfce to sddm until next cycle?
[19:53] <OvenWerks> wayland is coming... so is fusion power
[19:53] <OvenWerks> I think we should consider it testing this cycle if we can get us-plasma going
[19:54] <Eickmeyer> Okay. So, we'll focus on us-plasma then and having that use sddm. The default breeze theme for sddm in Plasma 5.13 is really pretty.
[19:54] <OvenWerks> If people really like it, I think it would not be hard to switch
[19:54] <Eickmeyer> We could take that and customize it to use our US background.
[19:54] <OvenWerks> yes
[19:54] <Eickmeyer> Cool. I like this idea.
[19:55] <Eickmeyer> So, we'll test this cycle and implement in Xfce if all goes well.
[19:55] <OvenWerks> eylul: as an aside, I have taken the jpg and reloaded it as a png, but it may be better to use a png made from the original.
[19:57] <eylul> jpg of...
[19:57] <eylul> the background. 
[19:57] <Eickmeyer> #action sddm to be default display manager in Ubuntu Studio Plasma. If it goes well, look at making it default for Ubuntu Studio Xfce.
[19:57] <meetingology> ACTION: sddm to be default display manager in Ubuntu Studio Plasma. If it goes well, look at making it default for Ubuntu Studio Xfce.
[19:58] <eylul> The original is a tif and jpg that were edited in photography. It is in my todo list to check what can be done to reduce the file size. 
[19:58] <eylul> I'll just roll that into it? I just didn't have a lot of time to experiment with tracing etc
[19:59] <Eickmeyer> I'd say just convert the tif to png and replace what's already there.
[19:59] <OvenWerks> The png is there now so there is no rush
[19:59] <eylul> I do have it converted... somewhere
[19:59] <eylul> I'll email it
[19:59] <OvenWerks> that sounds good.
[19:59] <Eickmeyer> Excellent. :)
[19:59] <Eickmeyer> BTW, it's my background now. :)
[20:00] <eylul> :))))
[20:00] <Eickmeyer> Okay, speaking of wallpapers...
[20:00] <OvenWerks> Ya, it is in autobuilds
[20:00] <eylul> I also was planning to do several color versions. epub/pdf first that next. then I will look into the plymouth theme?
[20:00] <Eickmeyer> #subtopic Wallpaper Contest
[20:00] <Eickmeyer> eylul: Absolutely.
[20:00] <Eickmeyer> So, we had talked about the Ubuntu Studio users coming up with wallpapers of their own.
[20:01] <Eickmeyer> Showcasing the best  of the US community.
[20:01] <Eickmeyer> I think with all the other flavors doing their wallpaper contests, we should start ours.
[20:01] <Eickmeyer> Question is, where should we host it?
[20:01] <eylul> we have had one... 
[20:02] <eylul> for 16.04 possibly?
[20:02] <Eickmeyer> Yeah, I saw some stuff for 16.04.
[20:02] <OvenWerks> That sounds like the last one.
[20:02] <Eickmeyer> Should we have people link us their work and post it on the wiki, then vote on the top 10?
[20:02] <Eickmeyer> Or, vote to create a top 10?
[20:02] <tsimonq2> Eickmeyer: I would argue that all new seeds need to be Git.
[20:03] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: There's our answer. tsimonq2, I think OvenWerks is going to need some help with that down the road.
[20:03] <Eickmeyer> #chair tsimonq2
[20:03] <meetingology> Current chairs: Eickmeyer OvenWerks captain-tux eylul krytarik tsimonq2
[20:03] <OvenWerks> tsimonq2: ok, so just load it with no cosmic?
[20:03] <tsimonq2> OvenWerks: Huh?
[20:04] <tsimonq2> Eickmeyer: Sure.
[20:04] <OvenWerks> in bzr we have: lp:~ubuntustudio-dev/ubuntu-seeds/ubuntustudio.cosmic
[20:04] <Eickmeyer> #action tsimonq2 to assist OvenWerks with ubuntustudio-plasma seed
[20:04] <meetingology> ACTION: tsimonq2 to assist OvenWerks with ubuntustudio-plasma seed
[20:05] <OvenWerks> for git it would be just ubuntustudio-dev/ubuntu-seeds/ubuntustudio?
[20:05] <tsimonq2> Look at how Lubuntu does it :) https://git.launchpad.net/~lubuntu-dev/ubuntu-seeds/+git/lubuntu
[20:05] <OvenWerks> ok
[20:05] <tsimonq2> So https://git.launchpad.net/~ubuntustudio-dev/ubuntu-seeds/+git/ubuntustudio
[20:05] <OvenWerks> tsimonq2: we want a second iso ubuntustudio-plasma, same thing?
[20:06] <tsimonq2> OvenWerks: That needs some tweaks in lp:livecd-rootfs, lp:ubuntu-cdimage, and a few other misc places, but essentially, yes.
[20:07] <OvenWerks> I expect I don't have access for the rest :)
[20:07] <Eickmeyer> So, once we have the seed, is it a matter of contacting the release team?
[20:07] <tsimonq2> OvenWerks: Instead of https://git.launchpad.net/~ubuntustudio-dev/ubuntu-seeds/+git/ubuntustudio you would have https://git.launchpad.net/~lubuntu-dev/ubuntu-seeds/+git/ubuntustudio-plasma
[20:07] <tsimonq2> Eickmeyer: Yep.
[20:07] <tsimonq2> (I don't have access either :) )
[20:07] <OvenWerks> Ok, I will do that
[20:07] <Eickmeyer> So, then infinity and slangasek are our contacts once we have the seed ready.
[20:08] <tsimonq2> It's generally useful to talk to someone who is an Archive Administrator, is on the Release Team, and works for Canonical. I always personally bug infinity and slangasek (<3) but there are other options too, depending on who you're comfortable with.
[20:09] <Eickmeyer> slanasek has always been cool with me.
[20:09] <tsimonq2> ("Works for Canonical" is not something I usually look for, but in this case, they have SSH access as Canonical employees where I don't.)
[20:09] <tsimonq2> Eickmeyer: Then there you go. :)
[20:10] <tsimonq2> Once you have a seed for Plasma, you'll need a separate metapackage.
[20:10] <tsimonq2> I can help with getting that uploaded.
[20:11] <Eickmeyer> Okay, cool. I'm starting to run low on time, so I think we need to get back to the wallpaper contest.
[20:11] <tsimonq2> Thanks. :)
[20:11] <Eickmeyer> No, thank YOU!
[20:12] <Eickmeyer> :)
[20:12] <Eickmeyer> So, how should users submit their creation? Email us a link and we post that on the wiki? Then we vote at a later time?
[20:13]  * OvenWerks needs to go as well, my lovely Laura is calling. :)
[20:13] <eylul> :)))
[20:14] <Eickmeyer> Okay, we'll table the rest of the topics for next meeting.
[20:14] <Eickmeyer> Everybody okay with that?
[20:14] <eylul> I can sort out how we could theorically do the uploading, have them email and then put it somewhere in website. the voting part. I'd really look into how we did it last time
[20:14] <eylul> because I came in right after it happened. 
[20:14] <Eickmeyer> Okay. Sounds good.
[20:15] <Eickmeyer> #action eylul to look into how the last wallpaper contest was run
[20:15] <meetingology> ACTION: eylul to look into how the last wallpaper contest was run
[20:15] <eylul> errr
[20:15] <eylul> haha actually I was hoping we could ask on email.
[20:15] <Eickmeyer> #undo
[20:15] <meetingology> Removing item from minutes: ACTION
[20:15] <eylul> I think the person who ran it might still be around
[20:15] <Eickmeyer> Okay, then we can take the discussion to email. :)
[20:15] <eylul> *nods*
[20:16]  * eylul really doesn't want to take on more work, before clearing the backlog
[20:16] <Eickmeyer> Okay, well, the next topic is something that can wait (replacing abandoned patchage with Catia).
[20:16] <eylul> *nods*
[20:16] <Eickmeyer> Just something to think about.
[20:17] <Eickmeyer> And the installability of Cadence is something I can work on with OvenWerks throughout the next two weeks.
[20:17] <Eickmeyer> Everybody okay with ending the meeting here?
[20:17] <eylul> from a user perspective I love patchage, and if catia has the same tools it would be wonderful to have it. (I use carla, as a sort of replacement, but it doesn't show alsa midi inputs)
[20:17] <eylul> (otherwise is wonderful)
[20:17] <eylul> yes for me
[20:17] <Eickmeyer> Catia shows alsa midi inputs, but it's considered experimental. :/
[20:18] <eylul> :)
[20:18] <Eickmeyer> Allrighty then...
[20:18] <Eickmeyer> #endmeeting
[20:18] <meetingology> Meeting ended Sat Jul  7 20:18:13 2018 UTC.  
[20:18] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntustudio-devel/2018/ubuntustudio-devel.2018-07-07-19.01.moin.txt
[20:18] <eylul> Carla shows jack midi inputs btw
[20:18] <eylul> just not alsa ones
[20:18] <Eickmeyer> Yeah.
[20:18] <eylul> I won't be done with the epub tonight. this basically turned into, manually coding everything which will be a bit slow. 
[20:19] <eylul> but... please send me the image asap so that I do replace it
[20:19] <Eickmeyer> Absolutely.
[20:19] <eylul> (and yes the one we have on wiki is REALLY tiny ;) )
[20:19] <Eickmeyer> I'll get right on that.
[20:19] <eylul> also who should be the preface credited to?
[20:19] <eylul> you or Ubuntu Studio team.
[20:19] <Eickmeyer> You can credit me for the preface.
[20:19] <eylul> *goes to write it*
[20:20] <Eickmeyer> Okay, I'll get that to you in the next 30 minutes. 
[20:20] <Eickmeyer> I'll get the meeting notes out later this evening.
[20:20]  * Eickmeyer always feels good after these meetings, we get stuff DONE! :)
[20:20] <eylul> thanks :)
[20:21] <eylul> doing the releases is a bit of a messy procedure, in that we do need to redo everything, or reflect the changes to wiki manually (which I think will be at least direct copy paste of the whole page, but makes editing the epub required step, rather than doing so at the wiki) I don't have a good answer to this yet
[20:22] <eylul> but I'd rather have the epub/pdf out, then figure it out
[20:27] <Eickmeyer> Email is away
[20:28] <eylul> thanks :)
[20:29] <eylul> received :)