[02:45] <hggdh> oerheks: I think they are testing how far they can go
[02:47] <oerheks> yes, we know the drill
[02:51] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[02:52] <oerheks> hi lotus
[02:55] <oerheks> interesting list https://blog.ubuntu.com/2018/07/03/fresh-snaps-from-june-2018
[02:57] <guiverc> yeah I thought so too, snap installed the quake-sha.. & was wondering why people used to play it for ages... 10+ mins later I was still playing it :)   (& howdy lotuspsychje)
[02:57] <hggdh> lotuspsychje: morning
[02:58] <hggdh> and... good night to all
[02:58] <oerheks> snap install tmnationsforever corsixth flare-rpg sdlpop pencilsheep shattered-pixel-dungeon
[02:58] <oerheks> nn hggdh
[03:06] <lotuspsychje> hey oerheks guiverc hggdh
[04:42] <tomreyn> oerheks: thanks for your review there.
[04:43] <tomreyn> soon, infozip will be at 10 years without a stable release ;)
[04:51] <guiverc> tomreyn - no, that's a very stable release :)
[04:52] <tomreyn> as stable as the old full backup you took 10 years ago, since when you created incrementals
[05:01] <lotuspsychje> :p
[06:22] <ducasse> good morning
[06:23] <guiverc> howdy ducasse :)
[06:23] <ducasse> hi guiverc :) how are you doing?
[06:24] <guiverc> great thanks ducasse, you?
[06:25] <ducasse> ok here, thanks - having a cold coke and a cigarette to wake up :)
[06:27] <guiverc> cold coke.... i haven't done that in decades (though it was pepsi for me)... large hot milo (malt drink) does it for me :)
[06:30] <ducasse> it's a periodic thing here, in a little while it will be something else
[06:32] <Bashing-om> The something else for me right now is bed - vice irc . GN all \o
[06:32] <guiverc> night Bashing-om
[06:34] <Bashing-om> guiverc: We have more fun tomorrow :P
[06:34] <guiverc> :)    [  or should that be :(  ]
[11:56] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
[13:36] <hays> ping
[13:36] <hays> right now i have a server mobo, with ecc memory, maxed at 32gb and an onboard 8 port SAS2 controller
[13:37] <hays> a pretty good setup--i think memory is the only concern
[13:37] <hays> blockflaw:
[13:37] <hays> i was looking at the seagates re8 liner
[13:38] <hays> line
[13:38] <blockflaw> right, so that should work more than well with a striped mirror or even raidz2
[13:38] <hays> with raidz2 i could get up to 50TB of space
[13:39] <hays> that might push me into needing more memory
[13:39] <blockflaw> nah, don't take that 1GB per TB so strictly
[13:39] <blockflaw> it all boils down to what's the load profile you want to optimize for
[13:40] <hays> does zfs let you convert a raidz1 into raidz2
[13:40] <hays> or maybe build a raidz2 as degraded
[13:40] <blockflaw> afaik no
[13:40] <hays> i kinda want to use one of the drives to migrate my data
[13:40] <blockflaw> that's the problem with ZFS, no way to upgrade/downgrade/change a vdev once defined
[13:41] <blockflaw> but afaik you _can_ start with a degraded array and add missing drives later
[13:41] <hays> well hot spares are not the worst idea
[13:43] <blackflow> hot spares are nice, you don't have to rush to the server with a replacement.
[13:43] <blackflow> and you know when a disk dies, there's that panic that another one is about to go belly up soon
[13:44] <blackflow> which, incidentally, and against all odds, happened to me once. a 2-way mirror, one disk died, got replaced and while it was resilvering, the other died too.
[13:44] <hays> yeah ive had a close call within weeks once
[13:44] <blackflow> since then I said nowai, raidz2 or nothing.
[13:44] <hays> hitachi deskstars
[13:45] <blackflow> deathstars?  :)
[13:45] <hays> i ordered the ultrastar replacement, put it in and within a few days another one bit the dust
[13:45] <hays> yeah, that wasn't the best choice in drive
[13:45] <hays> although the others have been running for a long time now
[13:46] <blackflow> HGST are fine drives these days. if Backblaze stats are to be trusted.
[13:46] <hays> i found a procedure to make a degraded array, but looks like you need to make a file the size of one of the disks, which is kind of a non-starter
[13:47] <blackflow> hays: on freebsd? you can use the gnop
[13:47] <hays> no this will be linux
[13:47] <blackflow> on linux... not sure what to use for a sparse file
[13:47] <blackflow> oh `truncate`
[13:48] <hays> yeah im reading about it
[13:48] <blackflow> trick being to remove it from the array right after zpool created it
[13:48] <blackflow> zpool offline and zpool detach if I'm not mistaken
[13:48] <hays> hah yes
[13:48] <hays> https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/322352/create-raid-z2-in-degraded-state-possible
[13:49] <blackflow> right I guess no need to detach, offlining should suffice before 'replace'
[13:58] <hays> man lga1150 i dunno i guess it was limited to 32gb.. there's nothing ecc out there in motherboards that goes pst that
[14:01] <hays> wow, not even non-ecc
[14:32] <blackflow> hays: what do you mean?  https://www.asus.com/Motherboards/X99E_WS/specifications/
[14:33] <blackflow> and iX systems is selling 1TB RAM thingies, I'd have to look up the specs on that
[14:33] <hays> yeah im talking socket 1150
[14:33] <blackflow> oh
[14:33] <hays> if i wanted to try to find a modo that woul take same ram/cpu
[14:34] <hays> but im going to give it a shot
[14:34] <hays> 10 tb and i think ill try raidz2
[15:26] <tomreyn> "help!111 i have an issue here!!! but i wont tell you what it is!!!"
[15:26] <BluesKaj> yeah, seems so
[15:27] <tomreyn> we got two of them now ;)
[15:28] <BluesKaj> I guess we're mind readers
[15:28] <tomreyn> i'd respond to that, but you can just read my mind
[18:05] <ducasse> evening!
[19:33] <lotuspsychje> good evening to all
[21:19] <hggdh> oerheks: sometimes it is simply not worth the time to correct someone
[21:25] <oerheks> yes, but sometimes it is worth it :-D
[21:25] <oerheks> i am in dubio
[22:13] <oerheks> upgrading to 18.04 with 4 desktops, after that removing 3...
[22:19] <daftykins> ?
[22:19] <daftykins> a user is?
[22:22] <oerheks> yes, messing up the system in ##linux, getting help in #u .. without details ofcourse, no, we like guessing
[22:27] <daftykins> :(