[01:26] <Mead> Hello,  trying to get my dual monitors set up correctly with xubuntu. My main display hooks up via VGA and the second I'm trying to configure is a HDMI.  In "displays" when I position the screens as they are on my desk, the taskbar and icons seem to always end up on the secondary display instead of the primary.
[01:44] <guiverc> Mead, have you seleted 'primary display' on the monitor you want.  myself, I just setup my monitors as I have them, hit primary on my wanted monitor, then moved the panels as I wanted them (adding new, removing unwanted etc)
[01:55] <Mead> I have selected primary display, but the secondary display to the left of my primary keeps getting the taskbar and desktop icons moved to it.
[02:00] <guiverc> do you keep the same setup Mead ?   (and which Ubuntu version)
[02:00] <guiverc> keep the same setup, meaning do you move monitors around (laptop like use)
[02:05] <Mead> well, my lab setup is sorta complicated, the monitor I am extending to is shared with three different systems.  So I switch between inputs to often.  Xubuntu needs to have the other display as primary with the taskbar and desktop icons.
[02:12] <guiverc> understood; i too share monitors; but i've learnt what config works for me.  i don't know enought to help with your suggestion, but can comment that maybe adding extra panels (having one [hidden] on each monitor) may be a work around till you find someone capable of helping more?  if you don't like what you add, you can easily remove later...
[02:15] <guiverc> (sorry for my lack of clarity)
[02:15] <Mead> extra panels?
[02:16] <guiverc> right click on a panel, panel prefs then a window opens, you can + to add a panel, - to remove or change.... :)
[02:18] <Mead> ... what do you mean by panel?
[02:19] <krytarik> What you call "taskbar"
[02:19] <guiverc> when you hit + (add panel near top of panel panel pref), and empty panel is opened...  move to where you want, then add what you need... panel means what you called taskbar I think
[02:19] <Mead> ah, got it
[02:21] <Mead> any way to clone a panel?
[02:22] <guiverc> i just re-create; it takes little time anyway & usually it cleans a few items I don't really need :)
[02:24] <Mead> well, when you were just using the default without any customizations yes it does take some time.
[02:25] <nomenon> yes
[02:25] <nomenon> open /.config/xfce4/xfconf/xfce-perchannel-xml   copy paste
[02:25] <guiverc> thanks nomenon :)
[02:26] <nomenon> there clearly labeled sections panel 0 or whatever
[02:28] <Mead> ok pretend I'm a nub trying to learn through experince,  opening up that /.config/whatever I do that with a text editor of some sort?
[02:29] <nomenon> mousepad
[02:29] <nomenon> nano in cli
[02:30] <Mead> ok, and the /.conf  is that not a hidden directory?
[02:30] <nomenon> that said i do not work here >:D
[02:30] <nomenon> yes
[02:30] <nomenon> its where your applications keep there config files
[02:32] <Mead> is that the full path? or is /.conf in another directory?
[02:33] <nomenon> its in /user/youruser/
[02:33] <nomenon> er
[02:33] <nomenon> rather /home/youruser
[02:34] <nomenon> ./home/YOU/.config/xfce4/xfconf/xfce-perchannel-xml
[02:36] <Mead> you should work here, you are doing a great job helping me
[02:38] <nomenon> I would make a copy of anything you touch in there before you save an edited version
[02:39] <Mead> ok, so I don't see a file named xfce-perchannel-xml
[02:40] <guiverc> xfce-perchannle-xml is the final directory; xfce4-panel.xml in that directory is panels (as I followed nomenon)
[02:41] <Mead> ah
[02:41] <nomenon> yes
[02:41] <nomenon> sorry
[02:43] <nomenon> I am a bit jumbled sometimes :>
[02:43] <Mead> hey don't apologise, I'm the dos/windows guy trying to "do" linux
[02:44] <nomenon> it is much nicer
[02:44] <nomenon> one way or another you can bend it to your will >:D
[02:44] <nomenon> virtualbox is amazing for testing or playing
[02:47] <Mead> I'm gonna be nice and not tell you what I think about linux after cutting my teeth with DOS in the 1980.
[02:49] <guiverc> Mead, linux is the modern day unix; which pre-dates dos, or its cp/m forebears.. xml itself dates back to ~1973 as I recall
[02:50] <Mead> Unix is still a thing.
[02:50] <guiverc> yep - you're using a unix-like system (you have to pay $s to call yourself unix; apple OSX is unix-like too but paid $s so they can call it unix!); BSD really is unix. (my opinion anyway)
[03:02] <nomenon> guiverc,  Mac OS X is based on BSD UNIX, which is open source. Apple releases its open source fork of BSD as the Darwin operating system. The XNU kernel that Apple uses is its variant of the Mach kernel, which is an implementation of UNIX.
[03:04] <guiverc> thanks nomenon - apple (& msft) use bsd heaps due to licensing  (& not the unix)
[03:55] <Mead> microsoft's unix distro was the most widely used before they sold it off to focus on NT
[08:49] <xubuntu32w> Hi
[08:49] <xubuntu32w> Hi
[09:06] <diogenes_> рш
[09:06] <diogenes_> i mean hi
[13:14] <Krock> Hello everyone. I'm having the issue that suspend only works every 2nd time. This applies to the "Shut down, Restart, Suspend" dialogue and the power management settings in the same way
[13:14] <Krock> My questions is: how would I get more information from my system about such an issue?
[13:15] <Krock> System: 18.04, Kernel: x86_64 Linux 4.15.0-23-generic, CPU: Intel Core2 Quad Q6700 @ 4x 2.667GHz
[13:21] <Krock> After the failed suspend mode, the display has a 800x600 resolution (or lower) at the signup screen.
[13:22] <diogenes_> Krock, nvidia proprietary driver?
[13:22] <Krock> exactly.
[13:23] <diogenes_> try with nouveau
[13:23] <diogenes_> nvidia afaik doesn't have early kms
[13:23] <Krock> kms = ?
[13:25] <diogenes_> i mean the driver doesn't load early during the boot process but only after login
[13:25] <diogenes_> nouveau should work better
[13:25] <Krock> it loads before login when the system is shut down and started from new
[13:26] <Krock> trying nouveau. may disconnect.
[13:27] <diogenes_> maybe try disabling secure boot and fast start if they're available
[13:27] <diogenes_> also yes, nouveau try
[13:36] <Krock> diogenes_: 640x480 px now. It doesn't detect the GPU: :D
[13:36] <diogenes_> what you did?
[13:37] <Krock> switched to the nouveau driver in the system settings
[13:37] <diogenes_> what is the output of: sudo lspci -nnk | grep VGA -A3
[13:38] <Krock> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: NVIDIA Corporation G80GL [Quadro FX 4600] [10de:019e] (rev a2)
[13:38] <diogenes_> and
[13:38] <Krock> Kernel modules: nvidiafb, nouveau
[13:38] <diogenes_> and
[13:39] <diogenes_> is there kernel driver in use?
[13:39] <Krock> http://paste.debian.net/plain/1032859
[13:40] <diogenes_> i see, not that great news, afaik nvidia quadro series doesn't have the best support with nouveau
[13:41] <Krock> I tried it the last time about six months ago when the proprietary driver broke - and it worked quite well apart frmo performance issues
[13:41] <diogenes_> but is it at least sleeping fine now?
[13:41] <diogenes_> with nouveau?
[13:43] <diogenes_> but i think even nouveau is not working fine now
[13:58] <Krock> Okay. After long testing I can only tell that nouveau has the same issue plus: after the 2nd suspend the graphics card fan just kept spinning, no response from anything else
[13:58] <Krock> "same issue" = failed suspend
[13:59] <Krock> I guess I'll just accept this annoying bit and keep double-suspending then
[14:03] <diogenes_> what about other distro to try or at least try live session from a bootable usb
[14:16] <Krock> will try later on, thanks for the support.
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